Zach Randolph and Rudy Gay Can Not Coexist

[ncrizzle]

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Rudy averaging 21/7, Zbo with 17/14

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Rudy averaging 21/7, Zbo with 17/14

:O
Imagine their stats with out the other then. Rudy 40/14? Z-Bo 35/28
:biggums:

[ncrizzle]

:O
Imagine their stats with out the other then. Rudy 40/14? Z-Bo 35/28
:biggums:
obviously you havent payed attention to the grizzlies line up/injuries the past 2 years


edit: sometimes hard to detect sarcasm through da intrawebs. touche

[outbreak]

obviously you havent payed attention to the grizzlies line up/injuries the past 2 years

I have actually. Hence why I'm agreeing with you and being sarcastic about the people who kept saying they play better with one or the other injured.

[no pun intended]

And don't forget Marc Gasol is averaging 14/7/5...damn

[Clippersfan86]

Their problem has never been putting up numbers. It's been about them not figuring out who is THE guy when it's time to run the offense through a player. Lebron and Wade figured out who was the top dog after a year, Memphis still hasn't in 3 or 4 years. They play like year 1 Lebron,and Wade where they take turns offensively. In otherwords they can co exist but come playoff time it will be a weakness again and it's not a very cohesive pair. Neither makes the other better and they don't feed off each other the way Zach and Marc do. Rudy should ideally be the 3rd option.

[brandonislegend]

I am a delusional troll

I agree.

[Clippersfan86]

I agree.

So you feel they make each other better and feed off each other the way Zach+Marc do? It will be a miracle if for just once you can post something with substance instead of corny or PMS driven one liners.

[Clippersfan86]

BTW Gay is shooting 42 percent from the field, 21 percent from deep and having to take 19 shots just to put up 21 ppg. Not a guy you want being your go to guy.

[Levity]

There was one play last night that just wowed me. Gay took it to the free throw line, pulled up and drew the defensive attention, kicked it to gasol in the low post, who then shovel passed it to randolph as the D went to help. If those 3 can continue to play like that, then theyre gonna be a pain in the ass to play against come play off time.

[Levity]

BTW Gay is shooting 42 percent from the field, 21 percent from deep and having to take 19 shots just to put up 21 ppg. Not a guy you want being your go to guy.

There is no go to guy on memphis right now. THey have a 1a and 1b in zach and rudy with gasol being the 3rd option. Their go to guy will depend on match ups and performances, which is actually a great thing to have at their advantage

[BlackVVaves]

BTW Gay is shooting 42 percent from the field, 21 percent from deep and having to take 19 shots just to put up 21 ppg. Not a guy you want being your go to guy.

:biggums:

[Clippersfan86]

:biggums:

CP3 put up 20 ppg last year on 15 shot attempts and the same number of free throw attempts Gay is getting now :biggums:

[no pun intended]

CP3 put up 20 ppg last year on 15 shot attempts and the same number of free throw attempts Gay is getting now :biggums:
Because that's CP3? Different story.

[Dasher]

BTW Gay is shooting 42 percent from the field, 21 percent from deep and having to take 19 shots just to put up 21 ppg. Not a guy you want being your go to guy.
That is more than a point per shot. That is actually solid production.

[Clippersfan86]

That is more than a point per shot. That is actually solid production.

I suppose it's not THAT bad but his efficiency is very subpar for a go to player. If you wan to say Zach is the go to player he's putting up only 17 ppg. Point is... Grizzlies still haven't sorted out who THE guy will be when the offense needs buckets down the stretch after 3 years together.

Sure in the regular season it can work great but in the playoffs it hurts teams. Need a closer.

[Mr. NBA]

I suppose it's not THAT bad but his efficiency is very subpar for a go to player. If you wan to say Zach is the go to player he's putting up only 17 ppg. Point is... Grizzlies still haven't sorted out who THE guy will be when the offense needs buckets down the stretch after 3 years together.

Sure in the regular season it can work great but in the playoffs it hurts teams. Need a closer. Rudy's shots are coming within 15 feet from the rim and almost all his 3 attempts have been wide open shots. He was in a slump, maybe last night he came out of it.

[Clippersfan86]

Rudy's shots are coming within 15 feet from the rim and almost all his 3 attempts have been wide open shots. He was in a slump, maybe last night he came out of it.

Then let's talk about it in 3 weeks when he's putting up 25 ppg on 45+ percent. Grizzlies are an all around great team, I don't see them as a team with two legit stars or go to players yet. They are closer to the Nuggets stylistically (but much better than Nuggets) than they are the Heat.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Their problem has never been putting up numbers. It's been about them not figuring out who is THE guy when it's time to run the offense through a player. Lebron and Wade figured out who was the top dog after a year, Memphis still hasn't in 3 or 4 years. They play like year 1 Lebron,and Wade where they take turns offensively. In otherwords they can co exist but come playoff time it will be a weakness again and it's not a very cohesive pair. Neither makes the other better and they don't feed off each other the way Zach and Marc do. Rudy should ideally be the 3rd option.

Yeah this is true, not a serious issue when the team is cruising, but a big problem for the Grizzlies in crunch time with not a determined go-to guy. Id say Zach should be the one to take the last shot, since Rudy Gay aint really a superstar caliber player like Lebron, CP3 or Kobe.

[ncrizzle]

Their problem has never been putting up numbers. It's been about them not figuring out who is THE guy when it's time to run the offense through a player. Lebron and Wade figured out who was the top dog after a year, Memphis still hasn't in 3 or 4 years. They play like year 1 Lebron,and Wade where they take turns offensively. In otherwords they can co exist but come playoff time it will be a weakness again and it's not a very cohesive pair. Neither makes the other better and they don't feed off each other the way Zach and Marc do. Rudy should ideally be the 3rd option.
You really do just regurgitate whatever you hear in the media. First off, lets remember that one had a season ending injury half way into 2011, and the other was out for half of last season and not %100 all but 3 games of the 20 or so that he did play. They had large amount of time where they did not play with each other %100 You are someone who is always looking at advanced stats. Take a look at rudys clutch situations stats. If you are talking about with the game on the line with 5 seconds left, Rudy is taking the shot. Now if you are speaking of who is the guy in a longer stretch, it is all about match ups. People act like it is some horrible thing when you dont have one person labeled the absolute go to person under any condition. Sometimes Zach will be the one whos got it, sometimes it will be Rudy. Both have been "the man" before in their careers, so they understand the responsibility and what has to be done. But they just want to win. Zbo has taken a back seat to rudy and focusing on making the plays best for the team..

Next, what you are saying about not making each other better, what the **** are you talking about? Zbos rebounds dont contribute to Rudys scoring? Rudy stretching the floor doesnt help zbo in the paint? The grizzlies play team ball. There hasnt been a player play selfish a game this whole year. Please explain to me this lack of cohesion. A worse grizzlies team without Rudy Gay beat a spurs team that was better than the spurs team that swept you in the play offs last year. I know you like to belittle the grizz any chance you get, but try to give your own opinion instead of putting a bunch of quotes together from multiple peoples discussions on the Cant Coexist topic.

Lastly, who is the go to guy for the clippers? because it seems to me that Crawford has been the man. Are him and cp3 going to suffer in the playoffs because they are both able to take over a game?
:facepalm

[brandonislegend]

You really do just regurgitate whatever you hear in the media. First off, lets remember that one had a season ending injury half way into 2011, and the other was out for half of last season and not %100 all but 3 games of the 20 or so that he did play. They had large amount of time where they did not play with each other %100 You are someone who is always looking at advanced stats. Take a look at rudys clutch situations stats. If you are talking about with the game on the line with 5 seconds left, Rudy is taking the shot. Now if you are speaking of who is the guy in a longer stretch, it is all about match ups. People act like it is some horrible thing when you dont have one person labeled the absolute go to person under any condition. Sometimes Zach will be the one whos got it, sometimes it will be Rudy. Both have been "the man" before in their careers, so they understand the responsibility and what has to be done. But they just want to win. Zbo has taken a back seat to rudy and focusing on making the plays best for the team..

Next, what you are saying about not making each other better, what the **** are you talking about? Zbos rebounds dont contribute to Rudys scoring? Rudy stretching the floor doesnt help zbo in the paint? The grizzlies play team ball. There hasnt been a player play selfish a game this whole year. Please explain to me this lack of cohesion. A worse grizzlies team without Rudy Gay beat a spurs team that was better than the spurs team that swept you in the play offs last year. I know you like to belittle the grizz any chance you get, but try to give your own opinion instead of putting a bunch of quotes together from multiple peoples discussions on the Cant Coexist topic.

Lastly, who is the go to guy for the clippers? because it seems to me that Crawford has been the man. Are him and cp3 going to suffer in the playoffs because they are both able to take over a game?
:facepalm

Crawford shoots like 34% on the playoffs

[ncrizzle]

Then let's talk about it in 3 weeks when he's putting up 25 ppg on 45+ percent. Grizzlies are an all around great team, I don't see them as a team with two legit stars or go to players yet. They are closer to the Nuggets stylistically (but much better than Nuggets) than they are the Heat.
You shouldnt see them as a team with two legit stars. They are a team with 3 legit stars. Not 3 superstars, but stars none the less. The miami heat are the fvcking miami heat. There are only 2 teams with two legit superstars and they are the heat and the lakers. Pretty high standard. But i understand why you hatin

[Mr. NBA]

Then let's talk about it in 3 weeks when he's putting up 25 ppg on 45+ percent. Grizzlies are an all around great team, I don't see them as a team with two legit stars or go to players yet. They are closer to the Nuggets stylistically (but much better than Nuggets) than they are the Heat. He won't put up 25 points per game but Zbo and Rudy are capable of scoring when we needed most. Aside from last years playoffs, Rudy had been one of the best shot makers during crunch time. I know we do not have CP3 to isolate and destroy his man off the dribble. Aside from that, I don't think you can be that confdent in putting Blake on the block or Crawford isolating during crunch time. We have multiple options, Mike and Marc pick n roll, any of our front court players in the high post or low post, Rudy on the elbow. None of our players are as dominant as CP3 can be, but we have confidence that our front court can score with each others help. Now the league is still dictated by superstars and we have no clear superstar to counter yours. It's debatable but as a Memphis fan, I'm more confident CP3 can get a basket against us than vice versa.

[brandonislegend]

Yeah this is true, not a serious issue when the team is cruising, but a big problem for the Grizzlies in crunch time with not a determined go-to guy. Id say Zach should be the one to take the last shot, since Rudy Gay aint really a superstar caliber player like Lebron, CP3 or Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8yTXOi9LHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttHBHC7BqTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYpPiUE0Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZyqF41UIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNjH-p-yhOA

[Clippersfan86]

Crawford, CP3 and Billups are all notorious closers who I'd prefer with the ball in their hands with the game on the line than Zbo or Gay. Doesn't mean they aren't great players just means neither have proven to be GO TO players consistently. Both can score like elite players but also disappear at times.

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8yTXOi9LHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttHBHC7BqTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYpPiUE0Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZyqF41UIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNjH-p-yhOA

And? Every team has guys that have hit multiple game winners. Seems people think clutch= game winners but that's a small part of it.

[brandonislegend]

Crawford, CP3 and Billups are all notorious closers who I'd prefer with the ball in their hands with the game on the line than Zbo or Gay. Doesn't mean they aren't great players just means neither have proven to be GO TO players consistently. Both can score like elite players but also disappear at times.

Of course you do, those are 3 Clipper players and you are a Clipper fan

[Mr. NBA]

Crawford, CP3 and Billups are all notorious closers who I'd prefer with the ball in their hands with the game on the line than Zbo or Gay. Doesn't mean they aren't great players just means neither have proven to be GO TO players consistently. Both can score like elite players but also disappear at times. True. Right now there isnt any egos. But the next step to become a championship team is one player to be dominant every game. Rudy looks as if he is becoming that player and Zbo is cleaning up the glass to score easy buckets vs his post game. IMO, I think we can be similar to those pistons with better offense. The problem with that is it may not work in the Western conference.

[Clippersfan86]

True. Right now there isnt any egos. But the next step to become a championship team is one player to be dominant every game. Rudy looks as if he is becoming that player and Zbo is cleaning up the glass to score easy buckets vs his post game. IMO, I think we can be similar to those pistons with better offense. The problem with that is it may not work in the Western conference.

Not to go off topic but you're the classiest, most unbiased Grizzlies fan I've seen on here, kudos. I think all teams in the finals need ONE player who emerges as the undisputed closer and who can be relied upon every game, not just every couple. The Heat in 2011 didn't have this figured out and it hurt them vs the Mavs in the finals. Yet we saw in 2012 when the Heat CLEARLY became Lebron's team he DOMINATED the playoffs and led them to the championship. Zach looked like that player in 2011 playoff run prior to his injury. Which is why I personally feel the Grizzlies offense should primarily be run through Zach+Marc who are the best bigman rotation in the NBA and unstoppable most of the time.

I was being serious earlier when I said Gay should be the Grizzlies 3rd option. Seems like when Randolph+Marc dominate, Grizzlies don't lose.

[ncrizzle]

And? Every team has guys that have hit multiple game winners. Seems people think clutch= game winners but that's a small part of it.

Jesus, both zbo and rudy have proved that they can be clutch and the #1 option. This is a great thing and will benefit them during the playoffs. Teams adjust from game to game in the playoffs. How can having two proven players who play a completely different style of ball be a bad thing? Troll or delusional. You are either one or the other

[tikay0]

How do you guys think gay would do on the bulls?

[NumberSix]

Z-Bo > Gay

[Kiddlovesnets]

How do you guys think gay would do on the bulls?

I think hed be a good fit, but the Bulls do not have assets to trade for him. The Grizzlies have no reason to get rid of him at this point either.

[Clippersfan86]

Z-Bo > Gay

Agreed. Offense needs to run through Zach+Marc.

[brandonislegend]

How do you guys think gay would do on the bulls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BmQL74BQ9I

He is dynamic he would be a good fit next to Rose, some of the fade away's he was hitting over Durant last night. :eek:

[ncrizzle]

Not to go off topic but you're the classiest, most unbiased Grizzlies fan I've seen on here, kudos. I think all teams in the finals need ONE player who emerges as the undisputed closer and who can be relied upon every game, not just every couple. The Heat in 2011 didn't have this figured out and it hurt them vs the Mavs in the finals. Yet we saw in 2012 when the Heat CLEARLY became Lebron's team he DOMINATED the playoffs and led them to the championship. Zach looked like that player in 2011 playoff run prior to his injury. Which is why I personally feel the Grizzlies offense should primarily be run through Zach+Marc who are the best bigman rotation in the NBA and unstoppable most of the time.

I was being serious earlier when I said Gay should be the Grizzlies 3rd option. Seems like when Randolph+Marc dominate, Grizzlies don't lose.

Our offense is run through Marc and Zbo. That doesnt mean that is where it ends. Marc, point Center, gets first touches and dictates the offense based off match ups. Rudy is the #1 option (going by your definition) even though the offense is ran through the bigs. Having gasol and zbo make things much easier for gay as people clog the paint. He has shown this year that he is the one with the killer instinct that wants the ball. As someone said above zach is focusing on his work in the paint and deferring to rudy. Rudy will be the person taking the last shot %75 of shots. But as has been repeated, MATCHUPS are what dictate whos the man . Yes when marc and zbo dominate we usually dont lose. But same can be said for when rudy dominates. At rudys size, he usually has the best match up advantage as opposed to zbo.

[brandonislegend]

Our offense is run through Marc and Zbo. That doesnt mean that is where it ends. Marc, point Center, gets first touches and dictates the offense based off match ups. Rudy is the #1 option (going by your definition) even though the offense is ran through the bigs. Having gasol and zbo make things much easier for gay as people clog the paint. He has shown this year that he is the one with the killer instinct that wants the ball. As someone said above zach is focusing on his work in the paint and deferring to rudy. Rudy will be the person taking the last shot %75 of shots. But as has been repeated, MATCHUPS are what dictate whos the man . Yes when marc and zbo dominate we usually dont lose. But same can be said for when rudy dominates. At rudys size, he usually has the best match up advantage as opposed to zbo.

Don't even bother

[Clippersfan86]

Don't even bother

You just said we.... then other day you said you were a Lakers fan. Make up your mind son :biggums:

[Mr. NBA]

Not to go off topic but you're the classiest, most unbiased Grizzlies fan I've seen on here, kudos. I think all teams in the finals need ONE player who emerges as the undisputed closer and who can be relied upon every game, not just every couple. The Heat in 2011 didn't have this figured out and it hurt them vs the Mavs in the finals. Yet we saw in 2012 when the Heat CLEARLY became Lebron's team he DOMINATED the playoffs and led them to the championship. Zach looked like that player in 2011 playoff run prior to his injury. Which is why I personally feel the Grizzlies offense should primarily be run through Zach+Marc who are the best bigman rotation in the NBA and unstoppable most of the time.

I was being serious earlier when I said Gay should be the Grizzlies 3rd option. Seems like when Randolph+Marc dominate, Grizzlies don't lose.
Word. The problem with having Rudy as the 3rd option is that itself. Previously he wanted to be the man when Zbo clearly was. He checkout of games when things didnt roll his way and pissed off hardcore fans that notice those little things. Last year Rudy reestablished himself as the primary scorer but still didn't really lead the team as the man. He wasn't confident coming back from injury and still didn't have the right attitude. As much as I despise Clippers, i wish we had a vocal leader like Paul. Hell, last year OJ was the main guy calling out rotations and being a vocal leader on the court more than anybody on the team. Aside from that rant, I think we are finally seeing Rudy mature as our leader and go to guy. Marc is too unselfish and Zbo is embracing his role as 1B.

[Clippersfan86]

Forgive me for not being impressed with Gay being the top option. Last year in the playoffs all he did was chuck perimeter jumpers and be a non factor vs the Clippers. Zbo on the other hand the year before looked like the best player in the entire playoffs outside of Dirk.

[brandonislegend]

You just said we.... then other day you said you were a Lakers fan. Make up your mind son :biggums:
wut

[Clippersfan86]

Word. The problem with having Rudy as the 3rd option is that itself. Previously he wanted to be the man when Zbo clearly was. He checkout of games when things didnt roll his way and pissed off hardcore fans that notice those little things. Last year Rudy reestablished himself as the primary scorer but still didn't really lead the team as the man. He wasn't confident coming back from injury and still didn't have the right attitude. As much as I despise Clippers, i wish we had a vocal leader like Paul. Hell, last year OJ was the main guy calling out rotations and being a vocal leader on the court more than anybody on the team. Aside from that rant, I think we are finally seeing Rudy mature as our leader and go to guy. Marc is too unselfish and Zbo is embracing his role as 1B.

I'll take your word for it that he is BECOMING that.

[ncrizzle]

Agreed. Offense needs to run through Zach+Marc.

The offense has ran through Marc and Zbo for over 2 years. This is nothing new. Obviously grizz had to adjust with zbo being out and not himself last year. Rudy had more responsibility. Now combine that experience with zbos experience leading the team in the 2011 playoffs with rudy out. Now top it off with the fact that the offense has always been run through the bigs when zbo is healthy . you have a team that has been successful despite the fact that for a basically a whole seasons worth of games you had a star player out , and a team that is currently playing its best with both players are healthy.

I dont think i can make this any clearer. As i asked earlier, Is Jamal the #1 option for the clippers right now? because he sure looks like he has been. It seems to be working out pretty nice even though Cp3 is supposed to be the #1 option, with blake being the #2

[brandonislegend]

Forgive me for not being impressed with Gay being the top option. Last year in the playoffs all he did was chuck perimeter jumpers and be a non factor vs the Clippers. Zbo on the other hand the year before looked like the best player in the entire playoffs outside of Dirk.

Ask Durant last night how Rudy Gay's ass tasted in the 4th quarter.

[Clippersfan86]

wut

Slick edit :lol

[Droid101]

Your ****ing Clips/Grizz slapfights are hilarious.

I'm sure the Grizz will knock out the Clips this year (and maybe vice versa next year) and keep the rivalry going. And keep me laughing.

[Clippersfan86]

The offense has ran through Marc and Zbo for over 2 years. This is nothing new. Obviously grizz had to adjust with zbo being out and not himself last year. Rudy had more responsibility. Now combine that experience with zbos experience leading the team in the 2011 playoffs with rudy out. Now top it off with the fact that the offense has always been run through the bigs when zbo is healthy . you have a team that has been successful despite the fact that for a basically a whole seasons worth of games you had a star player out , and a team that is currently playing its best with both players are healthy.

I dont think i can make this any clearer. As i asked earlier, Is Jamal the #1 option for the clippers right now? because he sure looks like he has been. It seems to be working out pretty nice even though Cp3 is supposed to be the #1 option, with blake being the #2

Yes, up until this point in the season Jamal has been the number 1 option. CP3 hasn't been looking for his shot at all and Blake has been passive with his injuries outside of two games. But everybody in the world knows that with the game on the line you can go to CP3 and he will always be the dependable scorer. Look at last night vs the Heat when the game was close and he broke it open with 13 quick points. With the game on the line which Grizzlies player will make the right play every single time like a CP3?

[brandonislegend]

Slick edit :lol

What the **** are you talking about

[brandonislegend]

Yes, up until this point in the season Jamal has been the number 1 option. CP3 hasn't been looking for his shot at all and Blake has been passive with his injuries outside of two games. But everybody in the world knows that with the game on the line you can go to CP3 and he will always be the dependable scorer. Look at last night vs the Heat when the game was close and he broke it open with 13 quick points. With the game on the line which Grizzlies player will make the right play every single time like a CP3?

Ask Durant last night when the refs were f*cking the Grizzlies over and the Thunder tried to go on a run. Or the game before that ask LeBron when they tried to come back.

[Clippersfan86]

Ask Durant last night when the refs were f*cking the Grizzlies over and the Thunder tried to go on a run. Or the game before that ask LeBron when they tried to come back.

He will do it for 5 games, then fade for another 5. This is why Gay has yet to truly break out despite being close a few times. Hell Memphis was trying hard as fu** to trade him a year ago. Doesn't sound like a guy you want as your 1A scoring option.

[brandonislegend]

He will do it for 5 games, then fade for another 5. This is why Gay has yet to truly break out despite being close a few times. Hell Memphis was trying hard as fu** to trade him a year ago. Doesn't sound like a guy you want as your 1A scoring option.

:facepalm

[ncrizzle]

Forgive me for not being impressed with Gay being the top option. Last year in the playoffs all he did was chuck perimeter jumpers and be a non factor vs the Clippers. Zbo on the other hand the year before looked like the best player in the entire playoffs outside of Dirk.

You are forgetting that the grizzlies had to completely change their offensive philosphy when zbo got injured and when he came back. Its a tough thing going 30+ games and then having to try to go back to a post oriented team. Gay didnt play amazing, but he didnt play bad. It was his first time in the playoffs. Lets remember that he came back from a season ending shoulder injury during the NBA lockout where he was not able to rehab as best as he could, on top of the crazy compressed schedule. Id say under the circumstances last year he did pretty fvcking good. As the #1 option he led the team to the best winning % in franchise history and the 4th seed.

and forgive me for thinking a 35 yr old undersized 2guard coming back from an torn achilles and a 40 yr old walking medical bill who hasnt played a second for the clippers is going to make anything better. See, i can troll too

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm

In fact even after last year's loss to the Clippers there was rumors of Gay being traded. Don't act like it didn't happen when it's so easy to verify. Just because the Grizzlies owner came out and denied it (they always do) doesn't mean it's not true.

[Clippersfan86]

You are forgetting that the grizzlies had to completely change their offensive philosphy when zbo got injured and when he came back. Its a tough thing going 30+ games and then having to try to go back to a post oriented team. Gay didnt play amazing, but he didnt play bad. It was his first time in the playoffs. Lets remember that he came back from a season ending shoulder injury during the NBA lockout where he was not able to rehab as best as he could, on top of the crazy compressed schedule. Id say under the circumstances last year he did pretty fvcking good. As the #1 option he led the team to the best winning % in franchise history and the 4th seed.

and forgive me for thinking a 35 yr old undersized 2guard coming back from an torn achilles and a 40 yr old walking medical bill who hasnt played a second for the clippers is going to make anything better. See, i can troll too

Not comparable. I'm still crediting Gay as a great player. Just saying I don't see him being the number 1 option on a contender (yet at least). Billups and Hill aren't expected to save this team which is why they are taking their sweet time getting back. They are merely pieces and role players which will boost the already insane depth more.

Billups on one leg>>>>>>Willie Green and 40 year old Grant Hill is still a very good defender who can knock down open shots. I'm not saying they will have a huge impact but they will have a noticeable one.

[ncrizzle]

Yes, up until this point in the season Jamal has been the number 1 option. CP3 hasn't been looking for his shot at all and Blake has been passive with his injuries outside of two games. But everybody in the world knows that with the game on the line you can go to CP3 and he will always be the dependable scorer. Look at last night vs the Heat when the game was close and he broke it open with 13 quick points. With the game on the line which Grizzlies player will make the right play every single time like a CP3?
What is not comparable? There is nothing to compare. I made a statement about rudys reintegration into the team and the changes that happened in the season....

Only one team has the best PG in the league. Congrats. And lets not act like CP3 has made the right play every single time. No one does. And you are switching around the point you are trying to make. You went from #1 option to the player who will make the right play every time. Im done watching you chase around your tail

[ncrizzle]

In fact even after last year's loss to the Clippers there was rumors of Gay being traded. Don't act like it didn't happen when it's so easy to verify. Just because the Grizzlies owner came out and denied it (they always do) doesn't mean it's not true.

The only reason trade talks happened was because of $$$ issues.

Anyway, Rudy 1a, Zbo 1b, Gasol 3rd option. Thats the way it is. Sucks you dont like it, but the grizzlies seem to be doing just finel. But i am glad you are paying so much attention to us

[Clippersfan86]

Only one team has the best PG in the league. Congrats. And lets not act like CP3 has made the right play every single time. No one does. And you are switching around the point you are trying to make. You went from #1 option to the player who will make the right play every time. Im done watching you chase around your tail

Okay... so scorer in the clutch consistently then? CP3 was the most clutch player in the NBA last year but take him out of the discussion if you want. Who's the Dirk on the Grizzlies? The Lebron? They just don't have a clear cut GO TO PLAYER. You keep saying "well multiple guys can do that any given night". How has that worked for teams like the Nuggets? Sixers? Deep teams with no defined, undisputed go to scorer.

[ncrizzle]

Okay... so scorer in the clutch consistently then? CP3 was the most clutch player in the NBA last year but take him out of the discussion if you want. Who's the Dirk on the Grizzlies? The Lebron? They just don't have a clear cut GO TO PLAYER. You keep saying "well multiple guys can do that any given night". How has that worked for teams like the Nuggets? Sixers? Deep teams with no defined, undisputed go to scorer.

Ok, so you still think they cant coexist. they are proving you wrong. good night

[Clippersfan86]

Ok, so you still think they cant coexist. they are proving you wrong. good night

Not true. They CAN co-exist perfectly fine. The question is can they THRIVE together and make each other better. Sort out who will be the guy taking the final shot.

[ncrizzle]

Not true. They CAN co-exist perfectly fine. The question is can they THRIVE together and make each other better. Sort out who will be the guy taking the final shot.

they are thriving together and Rudy will be the person to take the last shot. Have you read a word i have said?

[Clippersfan86]

they are thriving together and Rudy will be the person to take the last shot. Have you read a word i have said?

Yes but it's hard to trust it after 7 games.

[ncrizzle]

Yes but it's hard to trust it after 7 games.

its also hard to trust that jamal ( career inconsistent shooter ) will continue to score like he is. Not to mention yall have not played a single game outside of staples center

[Clippersfan86]

its also hard to trust that jamal ( career inconsistent shooter ) will continue to score like he is. Not to mention yall have not played a single game outside of staples center

Jamal has averaged 18 ppg combined over the last 9 seasons. I expect his shooting percentages to dip a bit but considering the great passers he's playing with and stars that command double teams, he's not doing anything out of the ordinary.

BTW that's not true.. the Clippers went to Portland. Clippers are top 5 in all measurements of schedule strength including SOS and RPI which are the best ones. Point is sure they had a home intensive schedule but they also played more contenders than just about anybody else.

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Spurs
Grizzlies
Heat
Lakers
Hawks

All playoff teams Clippers have waxed so far and none of them were particularly close. Heat cut it to within 7 last night at the last second but were down 15+ a lot of the 4th quarter. Spurs lost by 22. Grizzlies and Lakers by 9. Hawks by 13. None of the Clippers wins have come down to the wire because the Clippers seem to go apeshit in second half of games.

[Qwertyazerty]

...
Spurs
Grizzlies
Heat
Lakers
Hawks

All playoff teams Clippers have waxed so far and none of them were particularly close. Heat cut it to within 7 last night at the last second but were down 15+ a lot of the 4th quarter. Spurs lost by 22. Grizzlies and Lakers by 9...

Lakers are contenders due to their potential, not their actual level... they don't belong to that tier yet.

I prefer the Grizzlies, but both teams are nice to watch and offer a great show when tehy met each other.

[disel]

Yes but it's hard to trust it after 7 games.
Damn MUTHA BEIOTCH.When the Clippers start wining in the playoffs u can start opening ya filthy trap

[devin112]

its also hard to trust that jamal ( career inconsistent shooter ) will continue to score like he is. Not to mention yall have not played a single game outside of staples center

Beating Portland in their house is a good away win. This isn't quite the same J Craw. He's shooting better(thanks to finally doing shooting drills) and his role is a little different. Yeah he's coming off the bench like before, but normally he's out their with scrubs and it's all on him to score. Now he has Bled to take some pressure off him and Barnes and Odom. He can pick his opportunities, look for "better" shots. I expect him to keep up his level of play.

[Legends66NBA7]

Best Frontcourt in the league.

If their healthy come playoff time, they could probably beat anybody.

[Whoah10115]

Gay and Randolph may be the #1 scoring options, but the best player, the player the team runs thru, their most important piece...my boy, my fat boy.

[brandonislegend]

Okay... so scorer in the clutch consistently then? CP3 was the most clutch player in the NBA last year but take him out of the discussion if you want. Who's the Dirk on the Grizzlies? The Lebron? They just don't have a clear cut GO TO PLAYER. You keep saying "well multiple guys can do that any given night". How has that worked for teams like the Nuggets? Sixers? Deep teams with no defined, undisputed go to scorer.
You're comparing a team like the Nuggets that have no one that can create for themselves (Iggy can't, Galinari is inconsistent, Lawson jumper and shooting overall this year sucks, Faried needs to be fed) to a team like the grizzlies (Conley can shoot and drive as good as any pg in the league, Marc Gasol who can get a basket anytime by himself, Z-bo no explaining necessary and Rudy Gay who can elevate and shoot over anyone) late in the game.

Great comparison :applause:

Having 4 people who can create for themselves at any time legitimately is a bad thing according to CF86 you should only have one :roll:

[ncrizzle]

I dont buy into this idea of someone having to always carry the label as the #1 option. Didnt Steve Blake hit a game winning 3 in the playoffs against the nuggets last year?

[Levity]

I dont buy into this idea of someone having to always carry the label as the #1 option. Didnt Steve Blake hit a game winning 3 in the playoffs against the nuggets last year?

a team like the grizzles doesnt need a sole number 1 option. They have confident players who are willing to take the big shot. That team has been constructed amazingly well. I could only imagine how crazy its been getting on beal street following their home wins this season

[ncrizzle]

a team like the grizzles doesnt need a sole number 1 option. They have confident players who are willing to take the big shot. That team has been constructed amazingly well. I could only imagine how crazy its been getting on beal street following their home wins this season

Its actually pretty easy seeing how you could throw a stone from the entrance to beale. :lol But i think what you are saying is moving along beale after you get on it. Yes it can be a little hectic. Tonight, on a friday against the knicks, it should be nuts after the win

[Levity]

Its actually pretty easy seeing how you could throw a stone from the entrance to beale. :lol But i think what you are saying is moving along beale after you get on it. Yes it can be a little hectic. Tonight, on a friday against the knicks, it should be nuts after the win

Haha ye i meant the celebrations on that street must be awesome after wins. I did a US roadtrip a few years back and we spent a night in memphis. absolutely loved it there and beale street in particular.