LeBron and Durant are far and away the best players in the league

[28renyoy]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/68
Durant 25/10/4/2/2 62 TS% 7-3 record 52/44/89


:bowdown:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Durants rebounding has really surprised me this year (much to my happiness in fantasy league) if he can keep it up I'll be amazed though. The defense still sets them apart though LeBron is miles ahead.

[28renyoy]

Durants rebounding has really surprised me this year (much to my happiness in fantasy league) if he can keep it up I'll be amazed though. The defense still sets them apart though LeBron is miles ahead.

Durants currently leading the NBA in defensive win shares :bowdown:

on pace for 8.2 win shares which has only been accomplished by Ben Wallace in 2004 Hakeem in 1990 since the 3 point line came into play

[chazzy]

Durants currently leading the NBA in defensive win shares :bowdown:

on pace for 8.2 win shares which has only been accomplished by Ben Wallace in 2004 Hakeem in 1990 since the 3 point line came into play
What does that tell us

[heyhey]

Kobe's playing better than both of them

[KG215]

What does that tell us
That Durant obviously won't finish the season with that many defensive win shares.

Durant is my favorite player, and he's still the second best player in the league in my opinion, but I still think the gap between he and LeBron (#1 and #2) is bigger than the gap between Duran and numbers 3-5 or whatever.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Poor man's 03-04 Kevin Garnett stat lines minus his defense.

:durantunimpressed:

[NLZ]

Kobe has thus far played better than Kevin Durant, at age 34. Sorry to say. Obviously LeBron is on another level as he's in his prime.

[Indian guy]

Massive difference in PER between the 2 though.

[IGOTGAME]

Lebron is by far the best player in the league now.

[Heavincent]

Massive difference in PER between the 2 though.

lol at people who act like a made up formula by some dickface at ESPN means anything.

Lebron is the best though, with Durant and Kobe at the 2 and 3 spots.

[RRR3]

LeBron is, Durant is still fighting for 2nd best with D12 and CP3.

[tikay0]

LBJ by a country mile, based on overall floor game, and defense. Lebron's defense has been nothing short of amazing for the past 3 years.

Edit: Not by a country mile, but still a significant gap.

[heyhey]

LeBron is, Durant is still fighting for 2nd best with D12 and CP3.

:coleman:

how does a man get the 2nd best player in the league award getting carried by a 34 year old

[tikay0]

Poor man's 03-04 Kevin Garnett stat lines minus his defense.

:durantunimpressed:

KD pales in comparison to 03-04 KG. The guy was a maniac that year.

[RRR3]

:coleman:

how does a man get the 2nd best player in the league award getting carried by a 34 year old
"Carried" to a losing record. And Dwight is still not 100%

[Droid101]

lol at people who act like a made up formula by some dickface at ESPN means anything.

Lebron is the best though, with Durant and Kobe at the 2 and 3 spots.
Uh, joyner bases most of his analysis on PER (except this year now that Durant isn't so high in it).

[KOBE143]

Pretty impressive but Kobe is arguably better than both of them at age 34 and he's been doing that consistently for 17 yrs in the league.. :bowdown:

Top 3 best players right now..
1. Kobe
2. Durant


gap


3. LeBron - but I think Melo deserved this spot more than LeBron, correct me If Im wrong.. :confusedshrug:

[All Net]

Yeah we know this. It is them two and everybody else.Dwight when healthly can run Durant close though.

Durant's rebounding has been really good this year.

[tmacattack33]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/68
Durant 25/10/4/2/2 62 TS% 7-3 record 52/44/89


:bowdown:

You forgot that Lebron is getting only 2.2 turnovers per game. That's very nice for someone who scores 24 and gets 7 assists per game.

Durant is getting 4.2. Not too good.

In the Kyrie vs CP3 thread, Kyrie's turnovers were at first glanced over as well. And there is no reason for it. Two more turnovers per game is huge.

For thought, if we took Durant's extra 2 turnovers and turned them into missed shots, he'd be shooting 43% from the field and everyone would laugh at him for being inefficient and there would be threads about how he is declining and musta been slacking over the summer.

And a turnover is even worse than a missed shot (there is no chance for an offensive rebound, and many times it leads to a fast break and easy two points for the other team).

[Hoopz2332]

Pretty impressive but Kobe is arguably better than both of them at age 34 and he's been doing that consistently for 17 yrs in the league.. :bowdown:

Top 3 best players right now..
1. Kobe
2. Durant


gap


3. LeBron - but I think Melo deserved this spot more than LeBron, correct me If Im wrong.. :confusedshrug:


keep dreaming:roll:

[RRR3]

keep dreaming:roll:
It's Pauk trying to make Kobe fans look bad.

[TheAesirsFinest]

keep dreaming:roll:

He's a joke account imitating Kobe stans.

[swag2011]

"Carried" to a losing record. And Dwight is still not 100%

your point? just because dwight isn't 100% doesn't mean he hasn't been getting outplayed by Kobe, which is fact. I could easily say Wade is the best player on the Heat, and he's not healthy, but that would be stupid considering how Lebron has outplayed him thus far in the games Wade has played for the most part. That's the logic you're using in this situation.

I know you're a kobe hater and all, but take your hater glasses off for a minute.

[KG215]

It's Pauk trying to make Kobe fans look bad.
Thing is, they don't even need any help. Most of the Kobe fans do an excellent job of making themselves look bad.

[DirtySanchez]

It's LeBrons world right now. Dude is amazing.

[Rubio2Gasol]

I'm not sure what people are watching but Howard looks terrible. In fairness to him he may not be 100% or whatever but it's pretty clear he's struggling adjusting.

[Legends66NBA7]

"Carried" to a losing record. And Dwight is still not 100%

So how's Durant "fighting" over him again ?

LeBron, then Paul or Durant.

[d.bball.guy]

Thing is, they don't even need any help. Most of the Kobe fans do an excellent job of making themselves look bad.
:lol yeah

He just seems like the usual Kobetard

[RRR3]

So how's Durant "fighting" over him again ?

LeBron, then Paul or Durant.
Durant hasn't been as good as usual.

[KG215]

Durant hasn't been as good as usual.
Aside from last year, Durant has been a slow starter. He's still looked close to the "real" Durant three or four times this year, and especially the last two games.

[RRR3]

:lol yeah

He just seems like the usual Kobetard
You and SpecialQue (and Catch24 who doesn't post here anymore) are the only reason(s) I haven't completely lost faith in Lakers fans. :cheers:

[longtime lurker]

LeBron is, Durant is still fighting for 2nd best with D12 and CP3.

:oldlol: at this guy. You constantly post stupid shit

[RRR3]

:oldlol: at this guy. You constantly post stupid shit
How the hell is that stupid? Stop underrating Dwight. And LOL @ you calling me stupid Mr. "Melo is a better scorer than LeBron despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary" :hammerhead:

[Legends66NBA7]

Durant hasn't been as good as usual.

What's usual ?

Like KG215 said, he's usually slow starter, but that doesn't explain his spike in rebounding. That's nothing usual. Still need to get better overall in his defense, but he's certainlly Top 2-3 at this point in time.

So until proven otherwise, Howard doesn't have a case over him.

[d.bball.guy]

You and SpecialQue (and Catch24 who doesn't post here anymore) are the only reason(s) I haven't completely lost faith in Lakers fans. :cheers:
:cheers:

[RRR3]

What's usual ?

Like KG215 said, he's usually slow starter, but that doesn't explain his spike in rebounding. That's nothing usual. Still need to get better overall in his defense, but he's certainlly Top 2-3 at this point in time.

So until proven otherwise, Howard doesn't have a case over him.
I'm talking more in general as opposed to through the first 8-9 games. OJ Mayo>Dwyane Wade if we're going by this sample size anyways, and I don't like doing that.

[Legends66NBA7]

How the hell is that stupid? Stop underrating Dwight.

Dwight's hasn't outperformed Durant on the court, so there's no explanation as to why he should be ahead of him.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm talking more in general as opposed to through the first 8-9 games. OJ Mayo>Dwyane Wade if we're going by this sample size anyways, and I don't like doing that.

I'm not talking about 8-9 games either. Durant was better than Howard last year also.

I also don't give reputation points.

[RRR3]

I'm not talking about 8-9 games either. Durant was better than Howard last year also.

I also don't give reputation points.
I always have thought Dwight was better than KD anyways, so agree to disagree.

[Legends66NBA7]

I always have thought Dwight was better than KD anyways, so agree to disagree.

Okay.

[All Net]

Dwight's hasn't outperformed Durant on the court, so there's no explanation as to why he should be ahead of him.

True, he needs to prove it consistantly and get 100% which he isn't quite yet.

[longtime lurker]

How the hell is that stupid? Stop underrating Dwight. And LOL @ you calling me stupid Mr. "Melo is a better scorer than LeBron despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary" :hammerhead:

Only an idiot can say something like this

"Carried" to a losing record. And Dwight is still not 100%

And then still call Dwight underrated. He's not even playing like the best player on his own team right now. Your trolling is weak

[RRR3]

Only an idiot can say something like this


And then still call Dwight underrated. He's not even playing like the best player on his own team right now. Your trolling is weak
Dwight will be the best player on the Lakers when he's 100%, though, and it's my opinion that he's underrated.

[longtime lurker]

Dwight will be the best player on the Lakers when he's 100%, though, and it's my opinion that he's underrated.

Yes it's possible, but he's not right now so thanks for admitting your whole argument was stupid in the first place. Like I said weak trolling:rolleyes:

[RRR3]

Yes it's possible, but he's not right now so thanks for admitting your whole argument was stupid in the first place. Like I said weak trolling:rolleyes:
That's right teach me a lesson! :applause: You're really teaching the ignorant LeBron stan (me) respect. GAWDBE=GOAT, I have seen the light, thanks to Longtime Lurker's convincing arguments, notable the "you're an idiot" argument. :bowdown:

[longtime lurker]

That's right teach me a lesson! :applause: You're really teaching the ignorant LeBron stan (me) respect. GAWDBE=GOAT, I have seen the light, thanks to Longtime Lurker's convincing arguments, notable the "you're an idiot" argument. :bowdown:

You're a weird guy. Called you out and you go on some rant :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

You're a weird guy. Called you out and you go on some rant :confusedshrug:
How was that a rant, bro? :confusedshrug: It was just sarcasm. Whatever, neither of us are going to convince the other of anything, we should just agree to disagree? :cheers:
Sorry for trolling earlier, but it's fun :D
(plus I let everyone know I was trolling lol)

[NumberSix]

I would agree. Kobe is playing better than KD so far. I'll give KD this though. Kobe has a track record of starting hot and cooling down while on the other hand, KD has a history of starting slow and getting hot as the season progresses.

LeBron James is obviously on his own planet right now.

[KOBE143]

You're a weird guy. Called you out and you go on some rant :confusedshrug:
Just ignored that retarded RRR3.. He doesn't bring any sense in this forum at all.. Dude is obsessed in hating the Black Mamba and that makes him obviously looks stupid..

[RRR3]

Come on Pauk, you're better than this, my man. No need to go through all this trouble to try and make your "rivals" look worse lol

[KOBE143]

Come on Pauk, you're better than this, my man. No need to go through all this trouble to try and make your "rivals" look worse lol
:sleeping

[CarlosBoozer]

A long time ago in a league, far far away...

[maybeshewill13]

LeBron is, Durant is still fighting for 2nd best with D12 and CP3.


:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[lakerspng]

Lebron has been the best player in the league the last couple years and is the default "best player in the league" but... just this season, in on court performances, he's not been better than Kobe. Long haul over the course of the season he will probably maintain better, but to this point, he has not been better. Durant has not been on par with either.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Lebron has been the best player in the league the last couple years and is the default "best player in the league" but... just this season, in on court performances, he's not been better than Kobe. Long haul over the course of the season he will probably maintain better, but to this point, he has not been better. Durant has not been on par with either.
LeBron has been better than kobe much tougher schedule so far get the **** out of here

[lakerspng]

LeBron has been better than kobe much tougher schedule so far get the **** out of here

he actually hasn't. by reputation he started with the advantage, but that aside, they've been pretty much equally atop the pack. Lebron hasn't separated himself. Not yet.

[AlonzoGOAT]

he actually hasn't. by reputation he started with the advantage, but that aside, they've been pretty much equally atop the pack. Lebron hasn't separated himself. Not yet.
Is it because kobe has scored more because I don't see how 26.4/5.5/4.6/0.0/1.4 on 3.8 turnovers is better than 24.8/9.2/6.8/1.1/0.8 on 2.2 Turnovers let alone lebron facing tougher teams and still having the better record.

[lakerspng]

Is it because kobe has scored more because I don't see how 26.4/5.5/4.6/0.0/1.4 on 3.8 turnovers is better than 24.8/9.2/6.8/1.1/0.8 on 2.2 Turnovers let alone lebron facing tougher teams and still having the better record.

no it's not the numbers, it's how he gets them. The ease with which he makes guys ten years younger look foolish. Ignore the numbers and just watch them play. And then if you want to bring in the numbers, his are comparable. Lebron is amazing. Kobe so far has been equally amazing and is just warming up. Watching him, it's pretty clear he could be averaging 32-33ppg still if he felt like it. it's ridiculous given his age and miles. It's a testament to how much he's perfected his basketball skills and conditioning.

[RRR3]

Kobe has not been as good as LeBron, don't get ridiculous. Please. Kobe has been superb so far, but you're not realizing how far ahead of everyone else LeBron is at the moment. You want to talk about getting numbers with ease, well then LeBron is your guy. I guarantee the Lakers have a good record now if you replace Kobe with LeBron.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Kobe has not been as good as LeBron, don't get ridiculous. Please. Kobe has been superb so far, but you're not realizing how far ahead of everyone else LeBron is at the moment. You want to talk about getting numbers with ease, well then LeBron is your guy. I guarantee the Lakers have a good record now if you replace Kobe with LeBron.
This and we're not just basing who's the best player in scoring it's defense, getting rebounds, passing/creating all of it factors in. Lebron could easily be going 30+ if he wanted too but he's coasting right now and goes passive a lot through games, yet puts up those numbers.

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron has been the best player in the league the last couple years and is the default "best player in the league" but... just this season, in on court performances, he's not been better than Kobe. Long haul over the course of the season he will probably maintain better, but to this point, he has not been better. Durant has not been on par with either.


:lol :biggums:

[G-Funk]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/67
Durant 24/10/4/2/2 59 TS% 7-3 record 49/36/88


:bowdown:

Fixed

[RRR3]

Fixed
Did he edit Durant's stats to look better?:lol

[G-Funk]

Kobe 26/6/5/2/0 67 TS% 55/44/92 >>>Durant 24/10/4/2/2 59 TS% 49/36/88

[G-Funk]

Did he edit Durant's stats to look better?:lol

Yes and his TS is 59 not 62

[Graviton]

Thi sand we're not just basing who's the best player in scoring it's defense, getting rebounds, passing/creating all of it factors in. Lebron could easily be going 30+ if he wanted too but he's coasting right now and goes passive a lot through games, yet puts up those numbers.
It's actually amazing, last night vs Denver Lebron played such lazy defense, letting people blow by him, not going for blocks or contesting with effort. And even on a fastbreak he was slowing down and fumbling the ball. Yet even with all that he still got 27/12, he was basically in PG mode all game but still scored when they absolutely had to. That was Lebron putting up MVP numbers with little effort. You could tell by his attitude and body language he didn't care much, it was a back-to-back in Denver after that Clippers game, he was clearly not rested and didn't even try hard.

I am just waiting on his signature 30/10/10 game, maybe a home game with D Wade out.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

so far this year:

1. lebron
2. kobe
3. durant

[Pacers4ever]

LeBron is easily the best player right now. He's an all around beast.

[AlonzoGOAT]

It's actually amazing, last night vs Denver Lebron played such lazy defense, letting people blow by him, not going for blocks or contesting with effort. And even on a fastbreak he was slowing down and fumbling the ball. Yet even with all that he still got 27/12, he was basically in PG mode all game but still scored when they absolutely had to. That was Lebron putting up MVP numbers with little effort. You could tell by his attitude and body language he didn't care much, it was a back-to-back in Denver after that Clippers game, he was clearly not rested and didn't even try hard.

I am just waiting on his signature 30/10/10 game, maybe a home game with D Wade out.

As a fan you want him to go all out (like the stat line you said in bold, I want that too :lol ) but realistically as a coach you probably don't knowing you're going to the playoffs anyway and don't want to risk injuries. Erik is going to sit a lot of key players this year even if the injury is really nothing to worry about and can be played through. Wouldn't be surprised if he sit lebron tomorrow.

[PyrrhusX]

Only 10 games in looooooooooooool
That said, Durant is a slow starter but I agree that Kobe looks the better player right now. Can Kobe really keep this up? I don't think so but every one has their own opinion.

[NumberSix]

LeBron is easily the best player right now. He's an all around beast.
Some people don't know how to watch basketball. LeBron is literally the most efficient PG in the league. Not even hyperbole. It's literally statistically true. Actual point guards aren't performing their role as he does. The guy is on another level.

[Graviton]

Some people don't know how to watch basketball. LeBron is literally the most efficient PG in the league. Not even hyperbole. It's literally statistically true. Actual point guards aren't performing their role as he does. The guy is on another level.
Don't you think that's due to his size, strength and ball handling? He can post up and set people up, regular PGs can only create off the dribble or through slashing. Lebron can see the court better than midget PGs and his wrist strength lets him make crazy bullet passes. CP3/Rondo can't do what he does no matter how hard they try, his physical advantages can't be taught.

But if CP3 had Lebron's body, I am sure he would be even better PG.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Don't you think that's due to his size, strength and ball handling? He can post up and set people up, regular PGs can only create off the dribble or through slashing. Lebron can see the court better than midget PGs and his wrist strength lets him make crazy bullet passes. CP3/Rondo can't do what he does no matter how hard they try, his physical advantages can't be taught.

But if CP3 had Lebron's body, I am sure he would be even better PG.
yeah but that's like saying if cp3 had dwight's body he'd be GOAT. doesn't make sense. also it's harder to handle the ball the taller you are.

[Graviton]

yeah but that's like saying if cp3 had dwight's body he'd be GOAT. doesn't make sense. also it's harder to handle the ball the taller you are.
Yea, but it's not unheard of, Magic was such an effective PG because of his handle, size and post up ability. It's just unfair to compare them to midgets who are easily pushed around, controlled and shut down. CP3 has reached his peak as far as skill goes, he is an amazing shooter and passer, crafty defender, and has the IQ as well.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Some people don't know how to watch basketball. LeBron is literally the most efficient PG in the league. Not even hyperbole. It's literally statistically true. Actual point guards aren't performing their role as he does. The guy is on another level.

:biggums:

Lebron barely cracks the top ten TS% among "qualified" point guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct

[RRR3]

:biggums:

Lebron barely cracks the top ten TS% among "qualified" point guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct
Thats because LeBron is shooting about 10% worse than he usually does on FTs, which isn't going to last. Stop being intentionally obtuse, you positively dreadful excuse for a poster.

[Duncan21formvp]

Chris Paul is by far the best player in the league. He leads in WS/PER 48 minutes by a significant margin.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Thats because LeBron is shooting about 10% worse than he usually does on FTs, which isn't going to last. Stop being intentionally obtuse, you positively dreadful excuse for a poster.

I guess we have different definitions of the words "literally" and "statistically". I didn't realize this is just another thread where we project hypothetical greatness from Lebron. Carry on. :roll:

[pauk]

Well yea, but i wouldnt put Durant at Lebrons level as he does a bit more overall... but i love em both, Lebron gives me that allround bball pleasure and Durant gives that high vol shooting pleasure

[TheFan]

:biggums:

Lebron barely cracks the top ten TS% among "qualified" point guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct

being an efficient PG is far beyond TS%... Im not defending Lebron, but it is what it is...

[Dictator]

Why the hell is CP3 is being mentioned?


Dude is putting up 17 10 3 on 47%, and yes I've watched his games. Cp3 is overrated as fck.

Kobe's better than Chris Paul. We shouldn't even attempt to think he's better than Durant or Lebron.

Hell, Rondo is better than cp3, game wise and stat wise except for his jumper.

[secund2nun]

Durant has clearly been better than Kobe and that's with Kobe having Gasol and Howard in the post taking up a lot of attention
how scary would it be seeing Durant with Howard and Gasol?

[28renyoy]

Thats because LeBron is shooting about 10% worse than he usually does on FTs, which isn't going to last. Stop being intentionally obtuse, you positively dreadful excuse for a poster.

And I guess LeBron is going to continue to shoot 45% on 3's :rolleyes:

[All Net]

Why the hell is CP3 is being mentioned?


Dude is putting up 17 10 3 on 47%, and yes I've watched his games. Cp3 is overrated as fck.

Kobe's better than Chris Paul. We shouldn't even attempt to think he's better than Durant or Lebron.

Hell, Rondo is better than cp3, game wise and stat wise except for his jumper.

Yes in 32 mins. Paul is not needed to score a load of points either on their roster.

[Basketbolero]

Well yea, but i wouldnt put Durant at Lebrons level as he does a bit more overall... but i love em both, Lebron gives me that allround bball pleasure and Durant gives that high vol shooting pleasure
So far this year:

Lebron: 24.8ppg 10.0-18.6 FG 9.2 RPG 6.8 APG 0.8 SPG 1.1 BPG
Durant: 24.5ppg 8.5-16.6 FG 10.2 RPG 4.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.5 BPG

:confusedshrug:

[pauk]

So far this year:

Lebron: 24.8ppg 10.0-18.6 FG 9.2 RPG 6.8 APG 0.8 SPG 1.1 BPG
Durant: 24.5ppg 8.5-16.6 FG 10.2 RPG 4.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.5 BPG

:confusedshrug:

Kobe143?

Anyways, are you kidding me? Lebron did that in 35.9 minutes, Durant in 38.7... and still has better overall stats...


In Durants 38.7 minutes Lebron averages:

26.8 PPG
10.0 RPG
7.3 APG
1.0 SPG
1.3 BPG

This is why he is leading in PER right now...


PER36:

Lebron 24.9 ppg (at 54-45-67), 9.3 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.1 bpg, 2.2 topg
PER = 30.4 (leader)

Durant 22.8 ppg (at 51-44-89), 9.5 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.5 spg, 1.4 bpg, 3.7 topg
PER = 25.7

So while Lebron does produce better stats... stats is just stats... there is some things to look at also so far this season which Lebron has been better at that doesnt show up on the statsheet.... 4th quarter, clutch, intangibles, IQ, guarding various positions/defense, leadership...



Durant is great and a legit 2nd best player guy, but he is not exactly at where Lebron is at...

[28renyoy]

I LOVE IT. Pauk has cried repeatedly when LeBron's career stats are brought down to per 36 in comparison with Durant, as it shows just how much better of a scorer Durant is. Yet he scales Durant's down when it favors LeBron :roll:

[PJR]

When Durant can stop averaging as many turnovers as assist, then maybe one day he can be regarded as a better player than LeBron.

LeGawd has this 4th MVP on lock. Not even voters fatigue will stop this. :bowdown:

[28renyoy]

When Durant can stop averaging as many turnovers as assist, then maybe one day he can be regarded as a better player than LeBron.

LeGawd has this 4th MVP on lock. Not even voters fatigue will stop this. :bowdown:

You do realize how absurd this statement is, correct? You're essentially stating the only reason LeBron is seen as a better player is because Durant averages as many turnovers as assists. And that's not even true this year as Durant is averaging more assists than turnovers

[NumberSix]

:biggums:

Lebron barely cracks the top ten TS% among "qualified" point guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct
ISH. Where basketball=shooting

[Yao Ming's Foot]

ISH. Where basketball=shooting

You didn't say "basketball" you said "most efficient PG in the league". And "its statistically literally true", except its not. What statistics in your world measure efficiency?:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ISH. Where basketball=shooting

http://images.dailydawdle.com/funny-photos-politics-republican-tiny-face-mitt-romney8.jpg

[tmacattack33]

You do realize how absurd this statement is, correct? You're essentially stating the only reason LeBron is seen as a better player is because Durant averages as many turnovers as assists. And that's not even true this year as Durant is averaging more assists than turnovers

Assist and turnover numbers reflect his passing skills and his ball control, which are two huge aspects of the game.

So, yes, if player X and player Y were exactly equal in everything else, but player X was a much better ball handler and a much better passer, player X wins easily.

[Mr. Incredible]

LeBron







Everyone else

[Miller for 3]

Durant
Duncan
Kobe
Bosh

top 4 without a doubt. Lebron is with the likes of Deng and Batum

[G-Funk]

This and we're not just basing who's the best player in scoring it's defense, getting rebounds, passing/creating all of it factors in. Lebron could easily be going 30+ if he wanted too but he's coasting right now and goes passive a lot through games, yet puts up those numbers.
Does that make him better than Jordan?:coleman:

[RRR3]

Does that make him better than Jordan?:coleman:
Yes LeBron is much better than DeAndre Jordan.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP talks up LeBron when he is trying to make Durant look good. Any other time he is criticizing him

[G-Funk]

Yes LeBron is much better than DeAndre Jordan.
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[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe is going to slow down like he has the last few seasons. No way can he keep up that FG%. Evenutually you will see some of his vintage 9-24, 10-28, shooting games.

[swag2011]

Kobe is going to slow down like he has the last few seasons. No way can he keep up that FG%. Evenutually you will see some of his vintage 9-24, 10-28, shooting games.

maybe, but as of right now, he's playing as good as anyone in the league

[funnystuff]

Yes LeBron is much better than DeAndre Jordan.
:banana:

[KG215]

Well yea, but i wouldnt put Durant at Lebrons level as he does a bit more overall... but i love em both, Lebron gives me that allround bball pleasure and Durant gives that high vol shooting pleasure
Another backhanded compliment where you start off with your patented "I love both players" disclaimer when talking about Lebron and another player.

Durant is averaging 24.5 PPG on 16.6 FGA/game, .512/.444/.887 shooting, and .621 TS% and .548 eFG%. But yes, he's nothing more than a "high volume shooter."

I admit, LeBron is the better player, but come on.

[chazzy]

Another backhanded compliment where you start off with your patented "I love both players" disclaimer when talking about Lebron and another player.

Durant is averaging 24.5 PPG on 16.6 FGA/game, .512/.444/.887 shooting, and .621 TS% and .548 eFG%. But yes, he's nothing more than a "high volume shooter."

I admit, LeBron is the better player, but come on.
:oldlol: I noticed that too.

[maybeshewill13]

Another backhanded compliment where you start off with your patented "I love both players" disclaimer when talking about Lebron and another player.

Durant is averaging 24.5 PPG on 16.6 FGA/game, .512/.444/.887 shooting, and .621 TS% and .548 eFG%. But yes, he's nothing more than a "high volume shooter."

I admit, LeBron is the better player, but come on.

Lol he always does it.. dude think's we're too stupid to realise.. :facepalm

[PyrrhusX]

Another backhanded compliment where you start off with your patented "I love both players" disclaimer when talking about Lebron and another player.

Durant is averaging 24.5 PPG on 16.6 FGA/game, .512/.444/.887 shooting, and .621 TS% and .548 eFG%. But yes, he's nothing more than a "high volume shooter."

I admit, LeBron is the better player, but come on.

Pauk loves to take shots at Durant subtly, I dont get why he is so sensitive about the Durant/Lebron subject. Like you said, he starts of with praise, then ends it with some comment the makes you think whether he really means what he said at the start, or whether he just hates it when Durant/Kobe/any other top player, is mentioned along side Lebron:rolleyes: .

[KG215]

Pauk loves to take shots at Durant subtly, I dont get why he is so sensitive about the Durant/Lebron subject. Like you said, he starts of with praise, then ends it with some comment the makes you think whether he really means what he said at the start, or whether he just hates it when Durant/Kobe/any other top player, is mentioned along side Lebron:rolleyes: .
He's pretty much done the exact same thing numerous times the last year or so. Starts off by saying how much he likes Durant as a player, says he thinks Durant is a great player, then throws in an obvious backhanded compliment by calling him a "great high volume shooter" or "a great shooter."

Anyone with a brain who follows the NBA closely knows LeBron is the best player on the planet. But to boil down Durant's game to being a "great high volume shooter" is beyond ignorant. The last three seasons and first 10 games of this season Durant is averaging 28.5 PPG on .478/.368/.884 percentages, 19.8 FGA/game, and has a TS% of .602 and an eFG% of .523. That's not "high volume scoring." That's incredibly efficient scoring.

Thing is, this year he's also averaging 10.2 RPG and 4.1 APG. And, despite the slow scoring start to this season, he's still a fourth quarter/crunch time killer. He does need to cut back on the turnovers and become a more consistent defender, but to basically boil his game down to "he's a great volume shooter" is just a slap in the face to how good he is. If you want to argue that Kobe or someone else has been the second best player in the league this year, fine, but don't pretend to compliment Durant when it's very obvious the "compliment" is actually an insult.

[upside24]

CP3 says hello.

He is a nearly perfect fundamental point guard with a solid jumpshot, quickness and intelligence who can take over with his scoring when he feels the team needs a boost. He takes care of the ball and is a fiesty defender getting steals and making heady plays.

LeBron is clearly the best and Durant has begun envolving his teamates early and taking over late in the game through scoring so his game is evolving.

I agree that the two are the best in the league right now but the gap between them and CP3 as big as you think.

CP3 is taking advantage of the new scorers on the team and is making the Clippers a serious looking team early on this season.

[Basketbolero]

CP3 says hello.

He is a nearly perfect fundamental point guard with a solid jumpshot, quickness and intelligence who can take over with his scoring when he feels the team needs a boost. He takes care of the ball and is a fiesty defender getting steals and making heady plays..

WTF is that? copy and paste from Wikipedia?

[upside24]

WTF is that? copy and paste from Wikipedia?
No, that is what CP3 is.

I can write.

[Basketbolero]

No, that is what CP3 is.

I can write.
This is 2012, everyone knows how CP3 plays.

[9erempiree]

Kobe says hi.

[9erempiree]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/68

Durant 25/10/4/2/2 62 TS% 7-3 record 52/44/89

Kobe 27/5/5/1 4-5 record while coaching a team without a coach. 53/41/91


I believe Kobe is the best player in this league because of the historic numbers he's putting. You can't really look at Lebron and Durant and say he's the best when comparing them against Kobe's numbers. Those two are almost equal to Kobe.

While the only thing that stands out is their team's record. Which is a team accomplishment and not individual (Kobe-hater argument). Then you can clearly see Kobe's the best player in the league.

We have heard about superstars carrying scrubs but Kobe is carrying superstars...which is much more tougher than carrying scrubs. Freaking superstars and being the best player on your team.

Doing all this without a coach and being the leader and coach of the team while D'antoni is rehabbing.

Honorable mention: Carmelo Anthony

[PyrrhusX]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/68

Durant 25/10/4/2/2 62 TS% 7-3 record 52/44/89

Kobe 27/5/5/1 4-5 record while coaching a team without a coach. 53/41/91


I believe Kobe is the best player in this league because of the historic numbers he's putting. You can't really look at Lebron and Durant and say he's the best when comparing them against Kobe's numbers. Those two are almost equal to Kobe.

While the only thing that stands out is their team's record. Which is a team accomplishment and not individual (Kobe-hater argument). Then you can clearly see Kobe's the best player in the league.

We have heard about superstars carrying scrubs but Kobe is carrying superstars...which is much more tougher than carrying scrubs. Freaking superstars and being the best player on your team.

Doing all this without a coach and being the leader and coach of the team while D'antoni is rehabbing.

Honorable mention: Carmelo Anthony
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:roll:

[upside24]

This is 2012, everyone knows how CP3 plays.
We are on ISH. Remember?

[Basketbolero]

We are on ISH. Remember?
Sure, I was just messing with you, lost interest in the subject as soon as stanleys took over the thread

[upside24]

Sure, I was just messing with you, lost interest in the subject as soon as stanleys took over the thread
:lol It's good.

[BlackVVaves]

Right now?

The Top 5 is:

1. Lebron
2A. Durant
2B. Kobe
4. CP3
5. ?

I want to put Harden but, his hot and cold act is hard to gauge. 26 5 and 5 on 44% is not bad. Not at all. But, his bad shooting nights, or nights when he's been a turnover machine, are simply :wtf: The other 4 players have been steady and consistent.

But, it's been 10 ****ing games. I mean really, it's only been 2 and a half weeks of play.

By the All-Star break, I'd imagine the Top 5 will be looking like this:

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3A. Dwight
3B. CP3
5. Westbrook/Kobe

I don't see Kobe's efficiency, Westbrook's inefficiency, or Dwight's conditioning transition persisting throughout the season.

[LebronairJAMES]

LeBron 25/9/7/1/1 59 TS% 7-3 record 54/44/68

Durant 25/10/4/2/2 62 TS% 7-3 record 52/44/89

Kobe 27/5/5/1 4-5 record while coaching a team without a coach. 53/41/91


I believe Kobe is the best player in this league because of the historic numbers he's putting. You can't really look at Lebron and Durant and say he's the best when comparing them against Kobe's numbers. Those two are almost equal to Kobe.

While the only thing that stands out is their team's record. Which is a team accomplishment and not individual (Kobe-hater argument). Then you can clearly see Kobe's the best player in the league.

We have heard about superstars carrying scrubs but Kobe is carrying superstars...which is much more tougher than carrying scrubs. Freaking superstars and being the best player on your team.

Doing all this without a coach and being the leader and coach of the team while D'antoni is rehabbing.

Honorable mention: Carmelo Anthony
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[HardwoodLegend]

While the only thing that stands out is their team's record. Which is a team accomplishment and not individual (Kobe-hater argument).

That is a T-Mac hater's argument. Not a Kobe hater's.


We have heard about superstars carrying scrubs but Kobe is carrying superstars...which is much more tougher than carrying scrubs. Freaking superstars and being the best player on your team.

SuperstarS? What superstarS is he carrying?

Dwight isn't even at his 100% superstar self and is arguably the best player on the team.

[Money 23]

1) LeBron
2) CP3
3) Kobe
4) Dwight
5) Melo / Durant

So far at least ...

[takai]

1) LeBron
2) CP3
3) Kobe
4) Dwight
5) Melo / Durant

So far at least ...
How exactly is Kobe behind Chris Paul?

Kobe:
PPG 26.9
RPG 5.1
APG 4.8
SPG 1.3
BPG 0.0
FG% 0.531
FT% 0.918
3P% 0.410
MPG 36.4

CP3:
PPG 17.0
RPG 3.3
APG 10.3
SPG 2.2
BPG 0.0
FG% 0.478
FT% 0.913
3P% 0.400
MPG 32.6

Kobe has had an outstanding opening to the season, plus he's the leading scorer in the league right now with 26.9 a game. Hell, he may possibly be tied or above Lebron on whose the best.

[swag2011]

How exactly is Kobe behind Chris Paul?

Kobe:
PPG 26.9
RPG 5.1
APG 4.8
SPG 1.3
BPG 0.0
FG% 0.531
FT% 0.918
3P% 0.410
MPG 36.4

CP3:
PPG 17.0
RPG 3.3
APG 10.3
SPG 2.2
BPG 0.0
FG% 0.478
FT% 0.913
3P% 0.400
MPG 32.6

Kobe has had an outstanding opening to the season, plus he's the leading scorer right now. Hell, he may possibly be tied or above Lebron on whose the best.

Look, i think Kobe's playing just as well as anyone and is playing like he's the best player in the league, but i'd rank him behind CP3 and Lebron as well JUST because of the team records. If the lakers had a winning team record, i'd put kobe at number 1 for sure.

[Money 23]

Because Kobe is sharing the court with another top five player ...

And his team's record isn't as good. He's ballin, especially for his age, but the team record is indicative of him no longer having an extra gear to take over games individually to pull out wins.

An example of this type of game is what LeBron did v.s. Houston. Kobe used to be able to do this, say back in 2010. No longer. So while great stats, and enough to earn him top five status, they are sometimes hollow numbers.

I've also watched him pad his numbers a few games, and disappear in some fourth quarters too much for my liking.

Still top five, though. Why are you making it seem like I'm being disrespectful or hating on Kobe?

If anything I'm propping him up, 17 years deep and his play and efficiency is amazing.

[takai]

Look, i think Kobe's playing just as well as anyone and is playing like he's the best player in the league, but i'd rank him behind CP3 and Lebron as well JUST because of the team records. If the lakers had a winning team record, i'd put kobe at number 1 for sure.
Honestly, it's not Kobe's fault for Potato Head's terrible coaching. As soon as he leaves the Lakers have played significantly better. Just give it 2 weeks or so and Lakers will have one of the best records in the league.

[takai]

Because Kobe is sharing the court with another top five player ...

And his team's record isn't as good. He's ballin, especially for his age, but the team record is indicative of him no longer having an extra gear to take over games individually to pull out wins.

An example of this type of game is what LeBron did v.s. Houston. Kobe used to be able to do this, say back in 2010. No longer. So while great stats, and enough to earn him top five status, they are sometimes hollow numbers.

I've also watched him pad his numbers a few games, and disappear in some fourth quarters too much for my liking.

Still top five, though. Why are you making it seem like I'm being disrespectful or hating on Kobe?

If anything I'm propping him up, 17 years deep and his play and efficiency is amazing.

So Wade and Bosh aren't top 5, but if you're using that excuse Lebron shouldn't be as high as he should be. The Heat are just as stacked, if not more so than the Lakers.

[PyrrhusX]

Honestly, it's not Kobe's fault for Potato Head's terrible coaching. As soon as he leaves the Lakers have played significantly better. Just give it 2 weeks or so and Lakers will have one of the best records in the league.

But will Kobe sustain what he is putting up now?:confusedshrug:

[takai]

But will Kobe sustain what he is putting up now?:confusedshrug:
I honestly think so, but that's just my opinion.

[Money 23]

So Wade and Bosh aren't top 5, but if you're using that excuse Lebron shouldn't be as high as he should be. The Heat are just as stacked, if not more so than the Lakers.
What about the rest of my reasons, clown ?

Him sharing the court with D12 takes away defensive attention from Kobe's offensive game, thus the newly inspired efficiency in his game.

Look I'm not saying he's not ballin. But my reasons for having LeBron and CP3 over Kobe are perfectly legit. Stop acting like I'm hating on Mamba. I still have him in my top five.

I'm just admitting he has padded numbers in games, he doesn't have the take over factor in his game anymore ... thus the record, and has disappeared in 4th quarters.

Stop acting like it's blasphemous. You're exposing yourself as a Kobe stan. Stop sitting on the Laker dildo.

[red1]

money23 on point like usual

[swag2011]

What about the rest of my reasons, clown ?

Him sharing the court with D12 takes away defensive attention from Kobe's offensive game, thus the newly inspired efficiency in his game.

Look I'm not saying he's not ballin. But my reasons for having LeBron and CP3 over Kobe are perfectly legit. Stop acting like I'm hating on Mamba. I still have him in my top five.

I'm just admitting he has padded numbers in games, he doesn't have the take over factor in his game anymore ... thus the record, and has disappeared in 4th quarters.

Stop acting like it's blasphemous. You're exposing yourself as a Kobe stan. Stop sitting on the Laker dildo.

No, kobe playing smarter is why his efficiency is better. Like have you watched him? He's hardly taken bail out shots this year, cutting to the rim, and EASILY playing off the ball more. His passing has been sublime as well imo.

The ONLY reason the Lakers were in the games against Spurs, Clippers was because of Kobe. The padding numbers thing is laughable but hey everyone has their opinions :confusedshrug:

I agree with having Lebron and CP3 over Kobe, but not for your reasons. I put them over him solely because their team records are better.

Kobe may not keep it up all year, but as of right now, he's playing just as good as anyone in the league.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

ISH where rings are overrated but team records a couple of weeks into the season are the holy grail :roll:

[AlonzoGOAT]

No, kobe playing smarter is why his efficiency is better. Like have you watched him? He's hardly taken bail out shots this year, cutting to the rim, and EASILY playing off the ball more. His passing has been sublime as well imo.

The ONLY reason the Lakers were in the games against Spurs, Clippers was because of Kobe. The padding numbers thing is laughable but hey everyone has their opinions :confusedshrug:

I agree with having Lebron and CP3 over Kobe, but not for your reasons. I put them over him solely because their team records are better.

Kobe may not keep it up all year, but as of right now, he's playing just as good as anyone in the league.
That's a horrible reason but lebron has done more all around against a tougher schedule on a better team record.

[ihoopallday]

ISH where rings are overrated but team records a couple of weeks into the season are the holy grail :roll:

What do rings have to do with this thread?

[Money 23]

ISH where rings are overrated but team records a couple of weeks into the season are the holy grail :roll:
In Yao Ming's Foot mind ... where past success / rings = quality of play / league alpha status in 2012.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[AlonzoGOAT]

In Yao Ming's Foot mind ... where past success / rings = quality of play / league alpha status in 2012.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
I didn't get that either what do past seasons have to do with rating players on this new season?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I didn't get that either what do past seasons have to do with rating players on this new season?

The same people who are valuing team records to show vast differences ("its not even close" :roll: ) among players of a two week season do not value team success that actually has significance in career rankings to the same degree.

The idea that any superstar player has separated himself from any other superstar player at this point in the season without considering any play from prior seasons is comical.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

In Yao Ming's Foot mind ... where past success / rings = quality of play / league alpha status in 2012.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Do you guys really think posters parroting Lebron as far and away the best player in the league has anything to do a 2 week stretch of play and not his Finals MVP, and MVP season last year?:facepalm

[AlonzoGOAT]

The same people who are valuing team records to show vast differences ("its not even close" :roll: ) among players of a two week season do not value team success that actually has significance in career rankings to the same degree.

The idea that any superstar player has separated himself from any other superstar player at this point in the season without considering any play from prior seasons is comical.
The point still stands when we are rating players play so far this season it makes a lot more sense when you talk about their teams records than talking about a non factor like a player's past success.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The point still stands when we are rating players play so far this season it makes a lot more sense when you talk about their teams records than talking about a non factor like a player's past success.

The Heat have the 5th best record in the league behind the Clippers and Spurs. Who both have players (Tim Duncan and Chris Paul) sporting "advanced stats" closely matched with Lebrons numbers. :confusedshrug:

There is simply no support for Lebron or anybody as far and away or clear best player in the league based on 2 weeks of games.

[AlonzoGOAT]

The Heat have the 5th best record in the league behind the Clippers and Spurs. Who both have players (Tim Duncan and Chris Paul) sporting "advanced stats" closely matched with Lebrons numbers. :confusedshrug:

There is simply no support for Lebron or anybody as far and away or clear best player in the league based on 2 weeks of games.
Tim Duncan doesn't have a case at all stop being ridiculous (what happens when retards take per seriously), and cp3 stats are noticable not as good as lebron and record isn't much of a factor when his team is half a loss in front of the heat. CP3 literally only has 4 more assist and 1.5 more steals and falls down on everything else in comparison.

[Heavincent]

Rondo getting underrated as usual.

He's averaging 14/13/5 on 51% shooting (not to mention his impact goes beyond the numbers), yet people on ISH seem to disregard him for some reason. I'd probably put him in my top 5.

[takai]

What about the rest of my reasons, clown ?

Him sharing the court with D12 takes away defensive attention from Kobe's offensive game, thus the newly inspired efficiency in his game.

Look I'm not saying he's not ballin. But my reasons for having LeBron and CP3 over Kobe are perfectly legit. Stop acting like I'm hating on Mamba. I still have him in my top five.

I'm just admitting he has padded numbers in games, he doesn't have the take over factor in his game anymore ... thus the record, and has disappeared in 4th quarters.

Stop acting like it's blasphemous. You're exposing yourself as a Kobe stan. Stop sitting on the Laker dildo.

:kobe: You're so mad kid.

Calling me clown, kobe stan, sitting on a laker dildo. You're a disgrace. I'm not "acting" like you're hating at all. I'm just stating the facts. Quit being such a baby and take it like a man.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Rondo getting underrated as usual.

He's averaging 14/13/5 on 51% shooting (not to mention his impact goes beyond the numbers), yet people on ISH seem to disregard him for some reason. I'd probably put him in my top 5.


He gets ignored because he is one of the most unlikeable players in the league. Not saying its fair. But thats the truth regarding why he tends to get underrated.

[game3524]

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Paul