Stupid Lakers Are Exploring a Pau Gasol for Josh Smith Trade, Because They're Stupid

[SpecialQue]

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-team-exploring-pau-gasol-josh-smith-trade/2012/11/17/

[QUOTE] Sources say that the Hawks, at present, have no interest in parting with Josh Smith and Kyle Korver for Gasol. Or even Smith and lesser parts for Gasol. Positions can obviously change between now and the Feb. 21 trade deadline, but sources maintain that Atlanta has not been enticed in the least by the prospect of parting with the 26-year-old Smith

[PyrrhusX]

I dunno bout you but all I see is a lopsided trade in the Lakers favour again if it even happens? :confusedshrug:

Atlanta would be stupid to trade for Gasol and his fat salary next year. And can the Lakers even afford the amount josh smith would command in the open market next year?

[Graviton]

Awesome trade for the Lakers, Pau has clearly declined and they need to get rid of him while his stock is high. Josh and Korver would be perfect for Mike's system.

Josh is a better defender, shot blocker, just as good a rebounder and passer, better scorer when he doesn't jack up shots from 15 feet and beyond. He is also one of the best athletes and will be perfect for Howard. Wonder if Lakers can snatch teague as well.

Time for Gasoft to find his happy place, can't wait for his depressed ass to vanish a 3rd time in the playoffs.

[Rubio2Gasol]

I rate Gasol as highly as just about anyone, but I think if you're getting Josh Smith (probably making you the best defensive front court in a long time) AND a shooter (Morrow or Korver)

I think you can't pass that up.

Gasol is playing too far away from the rim and he's not a spot up shooter.

[Dictator]

LA has been doing many questionable things lately....

Hate to say it but.....getting steve nash
Using princeton offence
Firing Brown after 5 games.
Hiring D'antoni
Now this

The only good thing we've done recently is the bynum for howard trade.

Pau isn't that bad. Instead of adding new players we need to learn how to utilize our own players properly first.

We turned Nash into a spot shooter.

Pau into a outside shooter.

Jamison into nothingness.

Jodie Meeks into nothingness.

And now we're about to turn kobe into nothing but a shooter.(d'antoni)

[Zodiac]

Both teams would be idiots to do this trade

[BlackWhiteGreen]

So Atlanta are trading the younger and better player, as well as throwing in Korver? Sounds fair

[Basketbolero]

So Atlanta are trading the younger and better player, as well as throwing in Korver? Sounds fair
It would only make sense if they were sure he is not re-signing this offseason

[el gringos]

That would be a huge steal of a trade for the lakers. Just because the ish lakers fan base is so off reality lets not act like la wouldn't be winning this trade. If anybody says no it should be the hawks

[atljonesbro]

Lol once he starts taking his jumpers from outerspace lakers fans will start calling for his head

[PyrrhusX]

It would only make sense if they were sure he is not re-signing this offseason

Pau earns 19million next year, it would make sense for the Hawks to move Smith for picks rather than take on that contract. The only other logical situation is to get a third team involved. But who has the assets that also wants Gasol? :rolleyes:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Pau earns 19million next year, it would make sense for the Hawks to move Smith for picks rather than take on that contract. The only other logical situation is to get a third team involved. But who has the assets that also wants Gasol? :rolleyes:
Chicago wants him.

Assets is a different story but they may have a nice pick come the end on the season.

[Mr. Jabbar]

That would be a huge steal of a trade for the lakers. Just because the ish lakers fan base is so off reality lets not act like la wouldn't be winning this trade. If anybody says no it should be the hawks

Many Gasol supporters kinda live in the past were he was useful

[BlackVVaves]

Lakers just become even more predictable offensively through that trade. Yes they become defensive juggernauts, but also become an even worse shooting team.

Trade Pau and Duhon's expiring contract for Bargnani and Calderon, who is leaving Toronto in free agency by all accounts.

[Zodiac]

I'd prefer the Hawks to try and trade him for Favors or Faried..

preferably a younger player with some semblance of potential

[BlackVVaves]

Many Gasol supporters kinda live in the past were he was useful

Pau would be averaging 20 10 and 4 as a starting center, post playing, primary offensive option.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Lakers just become even more predictable offensively through that trade. Yes they become defensive juggernauts, but also become an even worse shooting team.

Trade Pau and Duhon's expiring contract for Bargnani and Calderon, who is leaving Toronto in free agency by all accounts.

But they're getting a shooter.

Bargani is such a volume shooter/scorer and he has nothing else. Trading Pau for him him doesn't make sense,

I much rather just get an experienced specialist, Smith can be his Marion.

[PyrrhusX]

Chicago wants him.

Assets is a different story but they may have a nice pick come the end on the season.

Exactly. I dont think that Chicago's sole pick is going to compensate what other teams would offer for Smith imo. It comes down to who else are they willing to part with. Not to mention Chicago should be in the top third of the Eastern Conference. And I am sure other teams are bound to have an interest in Smith with a greater amount of assets.

[Math2]

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-team-exploring-pau-gasol-josh-smith-trade/2012/11/17/



Screw this trade idea.

:lol :cheers:

[BlackVVaves]

But they're getting a shooter.

Bargani is such a volume shooter/scorer and he has nothing else. Trading Pau for him him doesn't make sense,

I much rather just get an experienced specialist, Smith can be his Marion.

I think playing as the 3rd or 4th option and focus of defenses would greatly impact his profiency. Imagine this; a Kobe cut to the weak-side, pick and roll with Nash and Howard at the top of the key, Bargnani in the corner waiting to just catch and shoot when the help rotates to take away Nash's lay-up.

I think he'd also flourish in this new tempo D'Antoni is configuring for the Lakers. On the fast break, with Dwight running down the lane and drawing defenses with him, Bargnani as a trailer for Nash would equal many open shots.

I just think the team would be harder to guard with a stretch 4 (and general for the bench in Calderon) than another big that can't shoot. You mention Marion, but check his 3PT%s from 05-08. You may say that's because of Nash, but I just think even with Nash, Smith would be bricking left and right outside of 12 feet.

[Horde of Temujin]

Relax, theyre the Lakers. They'll find a way to land Teague and Horford as well while unloading Blake and Duhon.

[SpecialQue]

Relax, theyre the Lakers. They'll find a way to land Teague and Horford as well while unloading Blake and Duhon.

Blake, Duhon & picks for Smith and Korver.

[Basketbolero]

Blake, Duhon & picks for Smith and Korver.
No pick though?

[SpecialQue]

No pick though?

Trade Sacre for a bunch of picks from some random team?

[Basketbolero]

Trade Sacre for a bunch of picks from some random team?
Sounds fair:bowdown:

[flipogb]

only way this works is three way trade, with a team like the Rockets or Bucks that could use a Pau Gasol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pau earns 19million next year, it would make sense for the Hawks to move Smith for picks rather than take on that contract. The only other logical situation is to get a third team involved. But who has the assets that also wants Gasol? :rolleyes:

Well while in logic land you'd realize that you can't just trade smith for picks to any team.

That team has to have cap space, & be willing to take in a guy who may or may not re sign with them. And seeing as most teams with cap space are teams that are lottery bound it wouldn't make since to trade a potential top 10 pick for a guy who won't re sign.

But you prolly didn't think about that before getting all butthurt b/c the lakers are in position to get a good young talent did you?

[tikay0]

Smith and Howard is sort of redundant. Lakers need a big that can spread the floor. Unless he's a super 6th man, I don't know if Smith would work out for them offensively.

Edit: Oh yeah, D'antoni's the coach. He could give a crap about low post play.

[Rekindled]

Smith and Howard is sort of redundant. Lakers need a big that can spread the floor. Unless he's a super 6th man, I don't know if Smith would work out for them offensively.

Edit: Oh yeah, D'antoni's the coach. He could give a crap about low post play.

dantoni will probably have josh smith shoot 3s in no time if he has him

[tikay0]

dantoni will probably have josh smith shoot 3s in no time if he has him

Oh well. Would be good for the league. D'antoni would be getting a bunch of press daily, for being the worst coach in the NBA.

[jalbert009]

only way this works is three way trade, with a team like the Rockets or Bucks that could use a Pau Gasol

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cu8rmse

Gasol to Bucks

Dalambert, Udrih and Henson to Hawks

J-Smoove and Harris to Lakers

[JohnnySic]

If the Lakers get Josh Smith, they will also get LeBron James in '14 because LeBron will bail on Miami in a second to play with Dwight and Josh.

If the Lakers are smart they'll do this. Pau is declining anyway.

[jalbert009]

If the Lakers get Josh Smith, they will also get LeBron James in '14 because LeBron will bail on Miami in a second to play with Dwight and Josh.

If the Lakers are smart they'll do this. Pau is declining anyway.

Howard
Smith
James
Kobe
Nash

If this team doesnt win it all, it will be the greatest upset in NBA history

[jbot]

sounds good for the lakers but what will the hawks recieve with him? a decent pick or 2? multiple player trade?

[daily]

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-team-exploring-pau-gasol-josh-smith-trade/2012/11/17/



Screw this trade idea. Stupid you for believing everything you read. you do realize there's not one creditable source quoted in that article.

[talkingconch]

Howard
Smith
James
Kobe
Nash

If this team doesnt win it all, it will be the greatest upset in NBA history
:eek:

[Rekindled]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cu8rmse

Gasol to Bucks

Dalambert, Udrih and Henson to Hawks

J-Smoove and Harris to Lakers

bucks wouldnt trade henson straight up for gasol, let alone throwing 2 starters +their backup pg.

[Money 23]

Lakers need to get rid of Gasol, though.

Total weak link, and has been for a couple seasons now.

Getting rid of him for younger talent, to run w/ Dwight in that D'Antoni system is a must.

Gasol hates running, and as I've said ... I still don't like his pairing with Dwight.

[LamarOdom]

Great another shotjacker is what we need, Pau Gasol is a better passer, rebounder and he got size we don't need Josh.

[Rekindled]

gasol for smith+korver
or

gasol for al jefferson+hayward

gasol for milsap+hayward

[NumberSix]

Retarded trade.

[takai]

:facepalm
No words.

[Horde of Temujin]

Well while in logic land you'd realize that you can't just trade smith for picks to any team.

That team has to have cap space, & be willing to take in a guy who may or may not re sign with them. And seeing as most teams with cap space are teams that are lottery bound it wouldn't make since to trade a potential top 10 pick for a guy who won't re sign.

But you prolly didn't think about that before getting all butthurt b/c the lakers are in position to get a good young talent did you?

I think he meant taking on an expiring contract rather than somebody like Pau with a large contract on the books beyond this year.

But you prolly didn't think about did you?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Pau would be averaging 20 10 and 4 as a starting center, post playing, primary offensive option.

Hes never going to be any of those things for the Lakers. He's a mediocre stretch 4 who has been terrible defensively to anybody who has been paying attention this season.

Josh Smith defense >>> Pau Gasol offense > Josh Smith offense >>> Pau Gasol defense

[brandonislegend]

bucks wouldnt trade henson straight up for gasol, let alone throwing 2 starters +their backup pg.
:roll:

[bluechox2]

sounds like a dantoni move, needs a marion-esque type player in his offense

[livingby3's]

Howard
Smith
James
Kobe
Nash

If this team doesnt win it all, it will be the greatest upset in NBA history

reminds me of LeBryan Nash.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Lakers are looking to resign Dwight, how are they going to resign smith and then sign Lebron in 2014?

[andremiller07]

I prob's would not do it if i were the Hawks its just makes them older and keeps em in the same spot pretty much

On a side note

I noticed that the Twolves signed Josh Howards I can't beleive the lakers didn't jump @ the chance to sign him, the dudes still athletic, smart, can score and i'd say is better than both Ebanks and MWP at this point in time given the same chance

[hawkfan]

Cleveland could be a third team with Gasol going there and Atlanta getting picks and young players and the Lakers get Smith.

[Whoah10115]

Look, Gasol is still the better player. The Laker fans acting like otherwise are being, what I like to call, dumb...and unappreciative.


With that said, this is a trade that would actually make sense. I don't know if Smith is as good a rebounder, but he's a very good rebounder. And the Lakers have the best rebounder, plus Hill on the bench. And even struggling, they're still one of the 5 best rebounding teams in the league right now. They were second last year. Imagine when Howard gets going.


Smith runs the floor, can be a playmaker, and those two things combine. He makes plays on the go and doesn't need the ball in his hands. He runs to make his plays. The only issue is that he can't get caught shooting jumpshots. But the truth is that he's less likely to shoot them in D'Antoni's system. He only shoots when he's the team stagnates and he gets stupid. Those opportunities are less frequent in D'Antoni's system.


Then Korver...is he a SG or a SF? In D'Antoni's offense, he's a SF. And having Dwight covers up all those issues. He's the ideal piece off the bench. That 2nd unit is quite ideal then.

[InspiredLebowski]

If Laker fans hate Pau I hope this deal happens. They'd have seizures over Josh Smith.

[hawkfan]

If Laker fans hate Pau I hope this deal happens. They'd have seizures over Josh Smith.

Howard and Smith together is not a good passing front court. They are both decent, but nothing really special. Gasol is a far better front court player.

But the Lakers are more concerned about age and Gasol wearing out and then his trade value going down to zero.

The Hawks aren't going to move Josh unless there is a substantial return, since we will have a lot of cap space to add additional players next year around Josh and Al.

[Qwertyazerty]

But the Lakers are more concerned about age and Gasol wearing out and then his trade value going down to zero.


I don't see Gasol trade value decrasing that much, isn't his contract expiring end of next season??? Then I see no reason for his trade value to drop as he will still be a good player who can produce and free much cap space after one season. In addition if he feels confortablel in his new home, he could resign for much less and we all know what a motivated Pau can do.

[SevereUpInHere]

Trying to think of some way we can chuck Amare into this...

[R.I.P.]

Bill Simmons pushes this idea on every podcast like it is a no-brainer. It

[Shepseskaf]

Trading a high-IQ player for a knucklehead is never a good idea.

[Zodiac]

I don't get why people think Smith is great.

Sure he's extremely talented but he's as dumb as Javale McGee on the Wizards + He averages about 3 Ts a week due to the fact he bitches at the refs so much

[IGOTGAME]

I don't get why people think Smith is great.

Sure he's extremely talented but he's as dumb as Javale McGee on the Wizards + He averages about 3 Ts a week due to the fact he bitches at the refs so much

I dont think Smith is great. I just understand that Pau is too slow to play power forward on defense and his size will not be maximized under Mike D. Thus, we have to get more athletic.Smith is the best option. The defense becomes much better and so does the fast break game.

[Zodiac]

I dont think Smith is great. I just understand that Pau is too slow to play power forward on defense and his size will not be maximized under Mike D. Thus, we have to get more athletic.Smith is the best option. The defense becomes much better and so does the fast break game.
just get used to him trying to take every open jumper and 3 then try to take the ball up the court then getting a T and arguing with Kobe on the bench

[IGOTGAME]

just get used to him trying to take every open jumper and 3 then try to take the ball up the court then getting a T and arguing with Kobe on the bench

None of that really concerns me. He will be playing on a different quality of team with 3 HOF players and Nash determining when he shoots. I'm sure that will work itself out.

[Whoah10115]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cft7fal


:confusedshrug:

[Rubio2Gasol]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cft7fal


:confusedshrug:

Why would Toronto take on that ridiculous contract?

[Coffee Black]

When Pau gets the ball in post up situations and clearly is making moves or finishing as good as he was a couple years ago, we will know if he has "clearly" declined. As long as he is getting the ball 20 ft from the basket, we can not tell. I still think he is not being utilized correctly and hopefully, wishfully D'Antoni can put him more effective spots and use.

In the game against the Suns, Pau did not get the ball in a post up against Scola, who he has fared well against in the past, and instead the ball went to Dwight in post ups against Gortat, who knows how to play against Dwight, and double teams. Way to play to the strengths of personnel and situations.

Keep Pau. He is a champion. Misused, but still a known champion.

[Whoah10115]

Why would Toronto take on that ridiculous contract?



No idea...was struggling for that team...the best I figure is they then trade Bargnani. Boozer is no worse than Bargnani on defense (probably better if playing next to a true center) and he's a very good rebounder; whereas Bargnani is the worst in the league. Boozer plays well in the post, runs the floor very well, and can run pick n' roll and pick n' pop very well. It's $5Million more a year for Toronto. And they could then maybe trade Bargnani for something decent. He's got enough talent to be worth something in the right situation.


Also, Boozer's contract is the difference in making this trade work...and I think it's a very good trade. I think Boozer could fit in well in San Antonio, tho they might just need defense.

[cuad]

It makes sense. Pau is a center; he can't play next to Dwight. J-Smith would be the new Lamar Odom. The addition of a shooter like Korver would be also help. Getting Pau would let Hordford play PF finally.

[Nick Young]

LA has been doing many questionable things lately....

Hate to say it but.....getting steve nash
Using princeton offence
Firing Brown after 5 games.
Hiring D'antoni
Now this

The only good thing we've done recently is the bynum for howard trade.

Pau isn't that bad. Instead of adding new players we need to learn how to utilize our own players properly first.

We turned Nash into a spot shooter.

Pau into a outside shooter.

Jamison into nothingness.

Jodie Meeks into nothingness.

And now we're about to turn kobe into nothing but a shooter.(d'antoni)
That idiot Jim Buss is responsible. he also hired the idiot Mike Brown in the first place, SLAPPING BRIAN SHAW IN THE FACE TO BE REPLACED BY A POTATO:facepalm

However we still got Mitch Kupchak, and ditching Bynum, now with both of his knees blown out, for Howard, is genius.