Indiana Pacers (4-6) vs. New York Knicks (6-1), 12:00 PM EST

[bagelred]

See you in 12 hours.

[InspiredLebowski]

winnable game

[Clutch]

winnable game
That worked well for you last year :lol

[InspiredLebowski]

That worked well for you last year :lol...that's the joke

****in Knicks fans, I'm tellin ya.

[Clutch]

...that's the joke

****in Knicks fans, I'm tellin ya.
I know it was a joke.

Knicks should win this one. They have a great record at MSG since Woodson took over and the Pacers haven't really started the season well. They are 4-6 overall and only 1-5 on the road.

I hope the Knicks aren't too tired after that hard road trip and that they will be able to improve their record to 7-1.

LET'S GO KNICKS :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[Graviton]

Fatboy Felton has been playing like a Top 6 PG lol, he shall rally the troops and blow out the Pacers along with their intimidating max contract all-star center, who is shooting an astounding 48% around the rim. :lol

[bluechox2]

melo needs to lead us this afternoon

[francesco totti]

No granger no party

InspiredLebowski, you think pacers can make playoffs without granger for 3 months?

[PyrrhusX]

Anyone know when Hibbert is gonna justify his contract? :(

[Clutch]

Tyson has been a disappointment this season but Hibbert has disappointed even more.

Tyson Chandler 2011-12 stats:
11.3 points,9.9 rebounds,0.9 steals,1.4 blocks on 68% shooting in 33.2 minutes
Tyson Chandler 2012-13 stats:
9.9 points,7.7 rebounds,0.6 steals,0.6 blocks on 62% shooting in 28.3 minutes

Overall down 1.4 points,2.2 rebounds,0.3 steals and 0.8 blocks. But his minutes are down too.

Roy Hibbert 2011-12 stats:
12.8 points,8.8 rebounds,2 blocks on 50% shooting in 29.8 minutes
Roy Hibbert 2012-13 stats:
8.8 points,7.9 rebounds,2.4 blocks on 38% shooting in 29.2 minutes

He basically plays the same amount of minutes but he's scoring 4 points less,grabs almost a rebound less and his efficiency is way down.

[niko]

Tyson has been a disappointment this season but Hibbert has disappointed even more.

Tyson Chandler 2011-12 stats:
11.3 points,9.9 rebounds,0.9 steals,1.4 blocks on 68% shooting in 33.2 minutes
Tyson Chandler 2012-13 stats:
9.9 points,7.7 rebounds,0.6 steals,0.6 blocks on 62% shooting in 28.3 minutes

Overall down 1.4 points,2.2 rebounds,0.3 steals and 0.8 blocks. But his minutes are down too.

Roy Hibbert 2011-12 stats:
12.8 points,8.8 rebounds,2 blocks on 50% shooting in 29.8 minutes
Roy Hibbert 2012-13 stats:
8.8 points,7.9 rebounds,2.4 blocks on 38% shooting in 29.2 minutes

He basically plays the same amount of minutes but he's scoring 4 points less,grabs almost a rebound less and his efficiency is way down.

Our defense is still really good and we are 6-1. It's dissapointing only if you are just looking at numbers. His minutes are down because Woodson is not a moron like MDA trying to run his players into the ground in November, Remember that? Our starters played the whole game and dropped one by one.

[Clutch]

Our defense is still really good and we are 6-1. It's dissapointing only if you are just looking at numbers. His minutes are down because Woodson is not a moron like MDA trying to run his players into the ground in November, Remember that? Our starters played the whole game and dropped one by one.
No I'm not just looking at his numbers. I'm also not just looking into team's play.
Team has played good but he's the biggest disappointment of the season imo.
Tyson has been bad this season.

[mentallooser]

Anyone know when Hibbert is gonna justify his contract? :(

Honestly the offense has no flow whatsoever. I think if Hibbert is going to play much better, a new coach is needed. Love Vogel for saving the team, but to go to the next level I think the Pacers.

[CarlosBoozer]

Hoping Novak hits lot's of 3's for my fantasy :rockon:

[pauk]

This should be interesting, dont underestimate the Pacers!

[bagelred]

That worked well for you last year :lol

So Clutch, you get to watch a game in prime time. You must be excited not having to stay up until 4:00 AM.

[bluechox2]

i feel like roy is gonna have a breakout game

this would be true last year, if you are in a slump, just wait and face the knicks

our small front line should give roy better looks

[Shepseskaf]

i feel like roy is gonna have a breakout game

this would be true last year, if you are in a slump, just wait and face the knicks

our small front line should give roy better looks
I'm guessing that Woodson will take the hint from last game and go much bigger.

If I see Melo trying to check Hibbert, I'll drop kick something through the tv.

[bluechox2]

camby was good to go, could have given us 5 minutes atleast and still hasnt seen the floor the last 2 games

[Clutch]

So Clutch, you get to watch a game in prime time. You must be excited not having to stay up until 4:00 AM.
Not excited but it's surely a nice feeling to watch the games in normal time.

btw did anyone see that Kidd look ? It looked really weird :lol

[Court Vision]

You've gotta be kidding me

[Clutch]

Refs already starting with the Knicks hate.

[bagelred]

Jesus Christ, is Mike Woodson is a moron? You're supposed to teach your players NOT to react to refs, don't f-cking participate in yelling at them.:facepalm

[irondarts]

The Joey Crawford show, everybody.

[bluechox2]

west gonna have a big game

[Clutch]

The Joey Crawford show, everybody.
Crawford is stepping up his game. Ed Malloy is trying to take away his spot as the worst official in the NBA. Joey showing today that he won't give up without a fight.

[irondarts]

WTF is Hibbert doing ?

[brownmamba00]

why did indy trade collison again?

[Court Vision]

This game is incredibly lackluster so far.

Hate noon starts.

[bagelred]

Are the Knicks f-cking stupid? Back to Back full court passes for layups.

[roffie]

melo's gonna drop a 40 bomb, booking it

[UtahJazzFan88]

why did indy trade collison again?

That trade hasn't looked good for Indiana at all. DJ Augustin is stinking it up as the back-up PG.

[bluechox2]

game is slow and boring, melo the only one scoring well

[Clutch]

Melo sloppy with the ball but somehow it always goes back to him and he makes a tough shot :lol

[AfroSamurai]

Indiana is going to get blown out if they rebound like this. :no:

[bluechox2]

Indiana is going to get blown out if they rebound like this. :no:
they have the edge 15-13

[brownmamba00]

That trade hasn't looked good for Indiana at all. DJ Augustin is stinking it up as the back-up PG.
I liked DJ on the cats don't know why he's playing like shit

still indy could have got more than mahinmi for collison

[Clutch]

Indiana is going to get blown out if they rebound like this. :no:
They outrebounded the Knicks by 3 in the 1st quarter. What more do you want ?

[bagelred]

Jason Kidd looks like a little kid with his headband in disarray.......

[Court Vision]

Man, I love Camby.

Old man getting on the floor to grab a board.

[bluechox2]

camby doing what tyson cant

[Clutch]

I like Camby. Too bad he didn't get any minutes against the Grizzlies.

[blablabla]

Kidd looks like Bibby with that headband

[Clutch]

Novak is in a slump. He was hitting those shots last year.

[francesco totti]

no granger, no collisson. Pacers dont look like playoff team to me this year.
its bit sad, cause last year they gave good trouble to the heat

[bagelred]

Once again, Knicks going with unncessary small ball.....baffling.

[bluechox2]

they gonna hit teh sac at halftime

[InspiredLebowski]

No granger no party

InspiredLebowski, you think pacers can make playoffs without granger for 3 months?
Absolutely. They don't I'll be going HUGE on blow it up. Might anyway.


Anyone know when Hibbert is gonna justify his contract? :( Never. Even when he starts playing well. But it is what it is.

[bluechox2]

partied late last night

[Clutch]

Ugliest game of the season so far ?

[bluechox2]

putting me to sleep

[InspiredLebowski]

first to 65 wins

[bluechox2]

hibbert dancing his way back, seems happy

[bagelred]

Roy Hibbert gets paid....Roy Hibbert forgets how to play......classic NBA tale. :cheers:

[bluechox2]

should have let portland take him

[Clutch]

Tyson playing solid today. Good defense on Hibbert and he has 6 rebounds so far.

He could be better but it's surely an improvement after the horrible play in Memphis.

[blablabla]

30

[Clutch]

Can we end the game now ?

[InspiredLebowski]

Indy (by numbers) has the best defense in the league. And I don't know what the number say on the offense but it has to be in the bottom 3.

All you guys talking about how ugly this game is, this is Indy's game pretty much every night. It's been a ton of fun.

[Sarcastic]

Once again, Knicks going with unncessary small ball.....baffling.


Woodson is making sure that you will actually WANT Amar'e back in the starting lineup.

:pimp:

[kurple]

I would think that most Knicks fans doesnt give a **** about my opinion, but many of them do for some strange reason.

Just wanna say. The Knicks are playing GREAT ball at the moment, and it's nice to see Melo and JR playing well

[KG215]

Indy (by numbers) has the best defense in the league. And I don't know what the number say on the offense but it has to be in the bottom 3.

All you guys talking about how ugly this game is, this is Indy's game pretty much every night. It's been a ton of fun.
Yeah, it's great when you can hold a team to 40ish points in the first half.

Not so great when you 30 in the first half.

[bluechox2]

our defense is great, love when one guy gets beat, , someone is right there to take the load

[alenleomessi]

are the pacers even going to make the playoffs?

[Clutch]

are the pacers even going to make the playoffs?
Well,they can't play much worse on offense. I expect them to get their shit together,get some wins and get into the playoffs. It's only been 10 games.

[bagelred]

Woodson is making sure that you will actually WANT Amar'e back in the starting lineup.

:pimp:

Impossible.:lol

Amar'e straight up for Pau Gasol.....get er done, Glen Gruwald but really James Dolan but really Isiah Thomas. :rockon:

[InspiredLebowski]

Yeah, it's great when you can hold a team to 40ish points in the first half.

Not so great when you 30 in the first half.at this point they need to just stop force feeding Hibbert. I understand what they're trying to do, "get him going" and all, but he has absolutely no confidence with the ball in his hands. And that's a huge thing if you know much about Hibbert.

Just let him keep playing strong D and get some buckets in the flow of the game, putbacks, leak outs, that kinda stuff. Dumping it down to him is just wasting possessions at this point.

[InspiredLebowski]

football time. **** this.

[Clutch]

Felton already with 7 assists :applause:

[UtahJazzFan88]

Knicks moving the ball well... just not getting anything to go in

[kurple]

Felton already with 7 assists :applause:
hate players like felton and lamar

[Clutch]

Novak hit those last season.

[iDunk]

The Knicks are embarassing Roy Hibbert tonight.
- Chandler abusing him defensively
- Melo bitches him out later

[Clutch]

Knicks missing some wide open looks from three.

[KG215]

Good news for the Pacers? They scored almost as many points in the third quarter as they did the entire first half. Bad news? They've still only got 56 points after three quarters.

[InspiredLebowski]

The Knicks are embarassing Roy Hibbert tonight.
- Chandler abusing him defensively
- Melo bitches him out laterMelo "bitched him out" because the idea of going after a loose ball is a foreign concept to him

[iDunk]

Melo "bitched him out" because the idea of going after a loose ball is a foreign concept to him
:facepalm

[Draz]

I would think that most Knicks fans doesnt give a **** about my opinion, but many of them do for some strange reason.

Just wanna say. The Knicks are playing GREAT ball at the moment, and it's nice to see Melo and JR playing well
:cheers: right on brother. Their starting to click, jr being coached well too.

[Court Vision]

Novak hit those last season.

He'll come around.

[Clutch]

Camby has 4 rebounds and 1 block in 6 minutes :applause:

[Draz]

This Knicks team, I have faith in em this year. Carmelo Anthony playing like a man processed.

[bluechox2]

This Knicks team, I have faith in em this year. Carmelo Anthony playing like a man processed.
processed by what? :lol

[Draz]

processed by what? :lol
Honestly he looks like a different player this year under Woodson.

[bluechox2]

we shoot 36% and 28% from 3 and win by 12

[bagelred]

Knicks ruin their win differential by slacking at the end of game. :facepalm Epic Fail......symbolic win for Pacers.:cheers:

[ClutchOver9000]

Good bounce back win. Our sights are now set on the Unibrow...

[KLovin]

This Knicks team, I have faith in em this year. Carmelo Anthony playing like a man processed.

*Possessed, lol.

Nice win for the Knicks, though not much competition from a pretty bad Indiana team. Put Camby on the Unibrow, Woodson! :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

You know you're playing a bad team when you shoot 36.7 percent from the field, 28 percent from deep and win by 12. :lol

[bluechox2]

Good bounce back win. Our sights are now set on the Unibrow...
melo vs unibrow

[bagelred]

Marcus Camby is our garbage time center. :bowdown:

[All Net]

Damn pacers so bad offensively.

[Clutch]

Knicks outrebounded their opponent for the first time this season :applause:

[airchibundo507]

You know you're playing a bad team when you shoot 36.7 percent from the field, 28 percent from deep and win by 12. :lol

or, we know we have the best defense in the league, clown, and can afford to half-ass it on offense, even when our best scorer was on the bench with foul trouble. that force-feeding of novak in the second half wasn't serious offense.

[Clippersfan86]

or, we know we have the best defense in the league, clown, and can afford to half-ass it on offense, even when our best scorer was on the bench with foul trouble. that force-feeding of novak in the second half wasn't serious offense.

Never said Knicks aren't a very good defensive team. Still rare to win shooting like that. If it was against a quality team you would have lost with great defense and shooting 36 percent obviously.

[Clippersfan86]

BTW the Knicks currently are 1st ranked offense, 11th ranked defense... not sure how they are the best defense in the league.

[Clutch]

What's up with Milwaukee guys. I just checked the standings and they are 6-2 and yet nobody talks about them.

[Clippersfan86]

What's up with Milwaukee guys. I just checked the standings and they are 6-2 and yet nobody talks about them.

Because the only remotely decent win they have had is against the Celtics. Beating a bunch of scrub teams like the Wizards in close games isn't going to get you press. Especially when to begin with the Bucks are the least cared about team in the NBA.

[airchibundo507]

Never said Knicks aren't a very good defensive team. Still rare to win shooting like that. If it was against a quality team you would have lost with great defense and shooting 36 percent obviously.

it was like an 18-19 point lead before the scrubs came in and ****ed sht up

[airchibundo507]

BTW the Knicks currently are 1st ranked offense, 11th ranked defense... not sure how they are the best defense in the league.

number 9 according to hollinger... as of last week we were number 1 but I guess that grizzlies trouncing on an end of a back to back with suspect reffing threw things off. I don't care what the numbers say though, the knicks are an elite defense. top 5.

[Pointguard]

Marcus Camby is our garbage time center. :bowdown:
Would have liked to seen him against Marc Gasol a couple of days ago.

[Sarcastic]

number 9 according to hollinger... as of last week we were number 1 but I guess that grizzlies trouncing on an end of a back to back with suspect reffing threw things off. I don't care what the numbers say though, the knicks are an elite defense. top 5.

We're 4th in ppg allowed.

[Clippersfan86]

We're 4th in ppg allowed.

Which isn't a good stat because it doesn't factor in pace, possessions etc. Knicks are very good defensively obviously. Top 5 defenses so far per defensive rating/efficiency.

1. Pacers
2. Clippers
3. Wolves
4. Sixers
5. Grizzlies

Actually now that I look Clippers are only team in top 5 for both offense and defense... 3rd ranked offense, 2nd ranked defense.

[Pointguard]

We're 4th in ppg allowed.

In fourth quarters we have been top 2 if not number 1. The other three quarters we are still probably top ten.

[Sarcastic]

Which isn't a good stat because it doesn't factor in pace, possessions etc. Knicks are very good defensively obviously. Top 5 defenses so far per defensive rating/efficiency.

1. Pacers
2. Clippers
3. Wolves
4. Sixers
5. Grizzlies

Actually now that I look Clippers are only team in top 5 for both offense and defense... 3rd ranked offense, 2nd ranked defense.


Knicks are first in point differential, and first in SRS rating. Those are the 2 most important team stats.

[Clippersfan86]

Knicks are first in point differential, and first in SRS rating. Those are the 2 most important team stats.

Um no point differential is absolutely not the most important, it just fits your agenda. Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.

[Clutch]

Um no point differential is absolutely not the most important, it just fits your agenda. Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.
So Spurs aren't elite ?
And Memphis didn't whipe the floor with us. We only lost by 10 with refs giving them every single call. If not for the refs the Knicks would still probably lose but it would be a really close game.

You are the one who needs to tone down the arrogance.
Knicks are 7-1 and have played great. They have been blowing out their opponents and their only loss came on the second night of back-to-back and on the road against the tough Grizzlies team that won 14 in a row at home and had all the help from the refs.
I'm fine with that.

[Clutch]

I'm glad we were able to somewhat rest our starters tonight. Melo played only 31 minutes,Felton 29,Tyson 27. Kidd and Brewer played 22.

[Sarcastic]

Um no point differential is absolutely not the most important, it just fits your agenda. Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.


Um you don't even know what SRS is, if you say something like that.


The Knicks have also played the hardest schedule so far, so I don't know what you mean by subpar teams.


And lastly this is a Knicks-Pacers game thread. Take all the bullshit Clippers talk to your own game thread.

[LoneyROY7]

Um no point differential is absolutely not the most important, it just fits your agenda. Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.

So the team that swept the Clippers out of the playoffs isn't elite?

[Pointguard]

Um no point differential is absolutely not the most important, it just fits your agenda. Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.

Na they didn't wipe the floor with us, that's for sure. We beat them without question if we don't travel after an emotional game. The refs took our two most important players out of the game with exceptionally weird foul calling.

[Pointguard]

I'm glad we were able to somewhat rest our starters tonight. Melo played only 31 minutes,Felton 29,Tyson 27. Kidd and Brewer played 22.

Tyson is missing a beat. I think he came in out of shape. Shouldn't matter much with Camby finally getting minutes. Camby definitely gives us a different look. When Shep comes back he gamble with steals.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Yo ClippersFan...

How does it feel to have your 2nd good season in the 35 years the Clips have been in LA?

You ever see the countless articles documenting the Clips as the wors franchise in ALL OF SPORTS? ALL SPORTS...not just basketball.

2 winning seasons in 35 years.

Another 33 victorious seasons and you guys might finally be relevant

[Scoooter]

**** the Clippers.

[Clutch]

Clippersfan86 really makes it tough to love the Clippers.

I'm sure a lot of people want to see the Clippers lose just to make him stop being so cocky. Having a bunch of floppers on the team also doesn't help.

[ClutchOver9000]

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.

Spurs? :confusedshrug:

[bagelred]

Knicks blowing out subpar teams (outside of Miami blowout) isn't more significant than a team beating a very good team by 10 consistently.

First "elite" team you faced after Miami wiped the floor with you, so tone down the arrogance.

Hey what's this? Is this a Strength of Schedule listing? I believe it is!

http://i46.tinypic.com/2qsuubt.png


Wait.....what? Knicks have had the toughest schedule in the league before today? But ClippersFan said we had an EASY schedule? :confusedshrug:


Stats!!!!....who needs 'em, am I right? :rolleyes:

[Clippersfan86]

I didn't say easy at all actually. BTW I was crediting the Knicks for being able to shoot so poorly and still win and merely pointed out that it was probably due to the Pacers sucking. Leave it to Knicks fans to attack me though and cry about it. I did forget about the Spurs win but that was the same team the Clippers blew out by 20+ just a couple days earlier.

[Clippersfan86]

Clippersfan86 really makes it tough to love the Clippers.

I'm sure a lot of people want to see the Clippers lose just to make him stop being so cocky. Having a bunch of floppers on the team also doesn't help.

Is this kind of stuff coming from Knicks fans??? :biggums:

I've been far less boastful about the Clippers early success than you Knicks fans have on ISH.

[Money 23]

This would've been a MUST watch game in the 90's.

[niko]

Never said Knicks aren't a very good defensive team. Still rare to win shooting like that. If it was against a quality team you would have lost with great defense and shooting 36 percent obviously.
This is a shot, why? You trying to make every fan hate the clippers?

[niko]

Is this kind of stuff coming from Knicks fans??? :biggums:

I've been far less boastful about the Clippers early success than you Knicks fans have on ISH.
:lol sure.