P.E.D and Roids in the NBA?

[andremiller07]

As a huge boxing (mma, kickboxing) fan I have seen more and more cases of fighters using P.E.Ds (performance enchancing drugs) and getting caught, with many experts predicting that there over 50-60% of fighters that use them and it is now become a huge problem (not just in boxing but in all sports e.g Lance Armstrong).

This got me thinking do you think that there could be a signifcant amount of players on some type of PEDs. I have never heard of anyone being busted for roids only canibus and other recreational in the NBA which begs me to ask do they test for roids and other PEDs? I can't belevie that no one in 10 years has been caught on them.

NBA players imo would be as likely if not more likely to take them because the sport is amazing stressful on the body, you travel every 2nd night and your main 8-9 guys pretty much play every 2nd night and have back to backs so recovery is essential (they would more likely take them for recovery not to put on muscle) Even though these guys are all elite athletes I find it very hard to beleive that there wouldn't be a decent amount of NBA players on them.

[chips93]

rose and durant have both in the past implied that there are players using them

plus mayo and rashard lewis got caught.

so there is definitely some, its not really a big problem imo

[Rysio]

why not do something that will help you become a better athlete or help recovery when you know you can get away with it? i'll say around 99% of all pro athletes are on something or have been before.

[Rolando]

If a player gets hurt they should be able to use whatever it takes to get back on the court. But, aside from injury, I don't think they should be allowed.

In any case, there probably is a large percentage of players who are on something illegal......not just weed.

[Trentknicks]

As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.

Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.

I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.

[andremiller07]

As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.

Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.

I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.

I agree with you there, also I beleive if the NBA knew of a problem that they would probably not do much about it cause more than likely result in the suspension of some good players which would not be good for the overall product.

[Trentknicks]

I agree with you there, also I beleive if the NBA knew of a problem that they would probably not do much about it cause more than likely result in the suspension of some good players which would not be good for the overall product.
I'm pretty sure there is a general consensus around the league that their is frequent use but it seems to fly under the radar.

"Drug-testing" isn't always what you expect either. Events like Mr Olympia & the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic have 'drug testing', but they test for cocaine, weed and amphetamines, which is a total joke.

EDIT: I read a story a while back (didn't save link) where a sport's journalist was suggesting Lebron used steroids to bulk up one Cleveland offseason. Apparently he gained something like 30lb in one offseason, but this wasn't listed as such. Also explains why height and weight listing is so inconsistent in the league and players are generally always over listed in both categories.

Leaves room for the player to use and bulk into the listed weight and if measured won't arouse any suspicions. Also for the unaware, steroids can be flushed out of the system and masked by certain drugs within a month or so of use.

[stevieming]

As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.

Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.

I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.

Spot on man. There's no way players aren't taking PEDs and steroids in the NBA.

The only thing I am surprised at is that Rose and Durant hinted at it, I would have thought they were on it too!

I know Rose made the comment before his injury, but right now HGH would help with his recovery a ton. As for Durant, PEDs can enhance his strength gains, especially now he wants to grab more rebounds.

err, not that I am condoning the use of these illegal drugs...:eek:

[hawke812]

Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/wade_300_051203.jpg
DWade

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TIF6Bt3IJ_4/T0sqyjQic9I/AAAAAAAAAmg/HbBlpV2Zub8/s400/dwyane-wade-04.jpg
Crimson DWade

http://www.deviantart.com/download/167006286/CHIN_TASTIC_by_Varezart.jpg

[Foster5k]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TIF6Bt3IJ_4/T0sqyjQic9I/AAAAAAAAAmg/HbBlpV2Zub8/s400/dwyane-wade-04.jpg


With that jaw, I bet Wade could out bite a pit bull.

[vinvin01]

You have to look at what is at stake.

For a young promising player it is :
-Going to the NBA, earning millions of dollars, being famous

or

-Going back to a shitty city where you'll have no job because you didn't have any good academic education.


And the selection process for the NBA is soooo dependant on athletic abilities. Hell, in the draft camp they even measures the jumping abilities etc. So it is quite obvious that many young players are using drugs. And it's not like anti-doping in the NCAA or NBA is serious.

Then, once in the NBA, you have well organized medical staff, you have money, and you have stakes. Same thing. Does anybody believe that gaining 20 pounds of muscle in 4 months between the draft and the preseason is feasable without drugs ? The guys lift weight in a gym for years to gain pound by pound, and gain 20 pounds when they enter the NBA in 4 months.

I would'nt be surprised also if they took some things to help them stand the long season too

[R.I.P.]

You have to look at what is at stake.

For a young promising player it is :
-Going to the NBA, earning millions of dollars, being famous

or

-Going back to a shitty city where you'll have no job because you didn't have any good academic education.


And the selection process for the NBA is soooo dependant on athletic abilities. Hell, in the draft camp they even measures the jumping abilities etc. So it is quite obvious that many young players are using drugs. And it's not like anti-doping in the NCAA or NBA is serious.

Then, once in the NBA, you have well organized medical staff, you have money, and you have stakes. Same thing. Does anybody believe that gaining 20 pounds of muscle in 4 months between the draft and the preseason is feasable without drugs ? The guys lift weight in a gym for years to gain pound by pound, and gain 20 pounds when they enter the NBA in 4 months.

I would'nt be surprised also if they took some things to help them stand the long season too

Basically. I guess 90% use them. Then when an individual player denies it you can always say: Obviously you are in the clean 10%. :roll:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/wade_300_051203.jpg
DWade

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TIF6Bt3IJ_4/T0sqyjQic9I/AAAAAAAAAmg/HbBlpV2Zub8/s400/dwyane-wade-04.jpg
Crimson DWade

http://www.deviantart.com/download/167006286/CHIN_TASTIC_by_Varezart.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/0812/lebron24hours/images/rookieofyear.jpg

http://johnjohnsaidit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/lebronjames.png

[DuMa]

http://i.imgur.com/63yRY.jpg

[ClutchOver9000]

As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.

Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.

I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.

:applause: well said

[Bucket_Nakedz]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dwight_howard_rookie.jpg

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/11/B8A421856452AAC56B187910BA3B.jpg

[taucesays]

I'm pretty sure that within 10 years it will come out that 80% of the nba is using HGH

[FireDavidKahn]

PEDs are used in every professional sport.

[inclinerator]

jeremy lin

[2LeTTeRS]

As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.

This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.

[ILLsmak]

This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.

Football players are on PEDs, too... they probably can get away with being more massive because they don't have to run up and down for 40 minutes.

You are in denial, bro.

-Smak

[IGOTGAME]

I'm convinced Wade took them after his knee surgery before the 2009 season.

"As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced."

- sorry about your pedestrian genes.

[mentallooser]

I pretty much assume now adays that any top athletes are on something. Since NBA players among th top athletes in the world, I assume most of them are on something. Doesn't make you make shots, doesn't make you have a good basketball IQ. At the end of the day that is what separates the the greats from the goods and the garbage. Athleticism, speed, and strength are quite often wasted in the NBA by people without actual skill. I think people worry about it too much. That is just my very humble opinion though.

[Pacers4ever]

This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.
I don't get it either where in LeBron does it look like he'd using PEDs? I have more definition in my body then lebron but lebron is just bigger than me and that's just genetically. I mean do you expect people that tall not to work or anything? If I was 6'8 and went to the gym every day I would probably look bigger than lebron but nothing that I see in lebron looks impossible to acquire like the other poster said. Please post his roid muscles and abs because I don't see them :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Many are on cocktails of substances. No doubt.

[Timmy D for MVP]

The argument that you can just look at someone and determine if they used PED's can only be made when there is such a crazy contrast between the time they weren't and the time they were. It is also important to try to look at players after they have fully developed.

Basically what I'm saying is that there is no "look" for roiders.

Do I think NBA players use this stuff? Hell yes I do. But who it is idk.

[kennethgriffin]

Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/wade_300_051203.jpg
DWade

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TIF6Bt3IJ_4/T0sqyjQic9I/AAAAAAAAAmg/HbBlpV2Zub8/s400/dwyane-wade-04.jpg
Crimson DWade

http://www.deviantart.com/download/167006286/CHIN_TASTIC_by_Varezart.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAeWR-aE6U

[SacJB Shady]

jeremy lin


yea he gained 20 pounds of muscle quickly

[bmulls]

I don't get it either where in LeBron does it look like he'd using PEDs? I have more definition in my body then lebron but lebron is just bigger than me and that's just genetically. I mean do you expect people that tall not to work or anything? If I was 6'8 and went to the gym every day I would probably look bigger than lebron but nothing that I see in lebron looks impossible to acquire like the other poster said. Please post his roid muscles and abs because I don't see them :confusedshrug:

:roll: :roll:

You are delusional

[Pacers4ever]

:roll: :roll:

You are delusional
You really think lebron goes to the gym every day ?
http://www.howcelebsgetfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lebron-james-1.jpg
http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Lebron-James--Miami-Heat-psd50274.png

I work out in my home gym every day I don't see how I could not be bigger than that ^ if I had the same genetics/height as him

where is he even close to being on roids there?

[outbreak]

Anyone who doesn't believe that there's wide spread use in most sports these days is fooling themselves. There's numerous articles if you do a google search about how poor the NBA testing is and how easy it is to by pass. The issue is that the leagues have no incentive to catch drug cheats as that only hurts their sports. I think if we could honestly see who was on hgh and other banned substances there would be a bucketload of guys that have no signs and no one expected.

[WolfGang]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dwight_howard_rookie.jpg

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/11/B8A421856452AAC56B187910BA3B.jpg

Looks like natural growth to me. I don't see how P.E.D would help anyone but bigs like Bynum. Hell, most bigs are skinny compared to shorter pro wrestlers and football players. Most basketball players don't even have abs or muscle tone.

I'm not saying some players don't take enhancement but I don't think many players do. If Lebron James was on steroids he would jump to 280-300lbs. Which honestly wouldn't be too big considering how tall he is.

[outbreak]

Looks like natural growth to me. I don't see how P.E.D would help anyone but bigs like Bynum. Hell, most bigs are skinny compared to shorter pro wrestlers and football players. Most basketball players don't even have abs or muscle tone.

I'm not saying some players don't take enhancement but I don't think many players do. If Lebron James was on steroids he would jump to 280-300lbs. Which honestly wouldn't be too big considering how tall he is.
How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?

[WolfGang]

How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?

Wouldn't taking something that gives you prolonged energy make you crash eventually? Could someone last 82 games taking something like that? I don't really think players take it because I've seen too many players fatigued(and play bad) after long stretches.

Drugs that help you recover from injuries sound a lot like something people call "medicine." Why would trained professionals need help recovering from workouts they have been doing since they were like 14? It's not like they lift hella weights or anything, because if they did then Kevin Durant would be Lebron's size by now. If rookies can come out and play 82 games straight then I don't see why vets can't.

I can see the old heads like Kobe and Duncan taking them.

[AngelEyes]

I assume a large portion of the NBA takes ped's and I think it would be naive to think differently.

[Pacers4ever]

How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?
But you do realize that 90% of ISHers that claim a player is using PEDs is based onhow big they look? Like the guy you're quoting is quoting (quoteception). Based on you're discription of PED's you can't make a real case that D12 is using PEDs it would all just be subjective/opinionative with no factual evidence. Either way like I said before if you read what most people post on here in ISH you will see posters saying a player used PED's just by looking at them :lol

[ThickassGlasses]

As some have already said, not every PED, steroid, or supplement makes you big. Every single Olympic sprinter you know the name of is taking something "illegal", no way Bolt is breaking records of known juicers. Genetics don't make up that big of a difference when talking about the .2% luckiest genes.

So yes, NBA players use something. With the amount of cardio they do, especially in season, they would lose massive amounts of size, yet barely any do. Then during a 3 month offseason many players come back to camp 20 to 30 lbs heavier but still in good enough cardiovascular shape to play 44 minutes of basketball.

I'm not sure how many of you have tried putting on size/weight (especially when you already weight 200+ lbs) but 10lbs a month is insane. Even gaining 30lbs in 3 months of mixed fat and muscle is overly impressive, let alone when these guys come back in looking at a sub 12% body fat.

And to anyone questioning LeBron James or Howard's use, claiming natural progression, look at the delts. That's the biggest give away to steroids (although nothing is 100%), especially being basketball players there is little need for any direct delt work, if at all. Yet these guys have softballs in their shoulders and keep them year around.

[Money 23]

LeBron has never used them ... he's just one of those rare genetic freaks of nature that come along every couple decades or so

Wade has used roids, it was very noticeable following his injury plagued season in 2007 and 2008. It speeds up recovery, he looked visibly bigger / more muscular, and all of a sudden in the 2008 Olympics he was doing windmill dunks.

He wasn't even doing that a couple years prior when he was younger, lighter, and with fresher legs.

Kobe took them in the summer of 2002 heading into the 2002 - 2003 campaign. In July at Rucker Park he was the same size he was the previous season, then on media day just a month later he comes in 15 lbs of pure muscle heavier.

You can't do that naturally in a month time frame. Believe me, I know.

He took them again in 2004 - 2005 to recover from all his injuries and slight frame from the previous year (got too big in the process)

Strength doesn't matter as much in basketball, but the steroids aid recovery time of injuries and brittle bodies.

[Pacers4ever]

As some have already said, not every PED, steroid, or supplement makes you big. Every single Olympic sprinter you know the name of is taking something "illegal", no way Bolt is breaking records of known juicers. Genetics don't make up that big of a difference when talking about the .2% luckiest genes.

So yes, NBA players use something. With the amount of cardio they do, especially in season, they would lose massive amounts of size, yet barely any do. Then during a 3 month offseason many players come back to camp 20 to 30 lbs heavier but still in good enough cardiovascular shape to play 44 minutes of basketball.

I'm not sure how many of you have tried putting on size/weight (especially when you already weight 200+ lbs) but 10lbs a month is insane. Even gaining 30lbs in 3 months of mixed fat and muscle is overly impressive, let alone when these guys come back in looking at a sub 12% body fat.

And to anyone questioning LeBron James or Howard's use, claiming natural progression, look at the delts. That's the biggest give away to steroids (although nothing is 100%), especially being basketball players there is little need for any direct delt work, if at all. Yet these guys have softballs in their shoulders and keep them year around.
So you're saying they don't work out regular because that's just bull, go look at lebrons work out (and lebrons hell week before last season started) and other nba ballers they can have strct routines in taking care of their body. Just because they are basketball players doesn't mean they don't workout :biggums: and once again lebrons stature is only impressive because of his height but he has barely any definition worth "WOWing" Although his shoulders aren't even that impressive wouldn't this help him achieve those "soft balls" you say he has? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl4ZQlgIA80 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nE7YlfHAZ0 (by the way playing basketball actually helps you're shoulder muscle growth) Also for the usain bolt statement and that .2% which is once again bull wouldn't you say if the.2% were true that a person who was lucky enough to have those genes use them in athletic competitions? Not saying usain doesn't use PEDs because he might but it's possible he could of done it naturally

[ihoopallday]

Don't these NBA players get tested for the olympics? I don't know how long the trace of steroids last, but wouldn't one of these players been caught by now playing in the olympics. And to the poster who said Usain Bolt is on drugs, I have a very hard time believing that. He probably gets the strictest tests out of anyone.

[outbreak]

Wolf - yeah a lot of the recovery stuff is "medicine" but most leagues banned substances lists include a lot of drugs regular people can take too (a cricketer got done taking diaretics to lose weight and I know the NBA bans these too even though their legal). They also do a lot more works outs and have to last 82 games which they didn't at 14 years old. The fatigued players could be players crashing and in an off cycle. Avoiding detection is all about cycling on and off the stuff at the right times and with the right professionals helping you do it.

Pacers - your comments are legit. Most posters here and just jumping on appearances when in actual fact I believe if all the drug takers were suddenly exposed people would be surprised who is on them and who isn't.

[outbreak]

Don't these NBA players get tested for the olympics? I don't know how long the trace of steroids last, but wouldn't one of these players been caught by now playing in the olympics. And to the poster who said Usain Bolt is on drugs, I have a very hard time believing that. He probably gets the strictest tests out of anyone.

armstrong competed in the olympics. There's other people who've been done in their sports for drugs who also competed in the olympics. I'm no expert but it's my understanding if done correctly they can avoid detection at the right times. Not saying Usain is on anything though.

[ihoopallday]

armstrong competed in the olympics. There's other people who've been done in their sports for drugs who also competed in the olympics. I'm no expert but it's my understanding if done correctly they can avoid detection at the right times. Not saying Usain is on anything though.

Great points. I guess I could do more research on PEDs to see how they really work. It would be a shame though for someone like Bolt to get caught later down the road.

[Floppy]

Great points. I guess I could do more research on PEDs to see how they really work. It would be a shame though for someone like Bolt to get caught later down the road.
Fun Fact: Pretty much every previous record holder from the past 2-3 decades turned out to be on PED's.

Do you really believe that somebody who shatters world records in a never before seen manner is clean? Especially if he comes from a tiny country that is known for the pretty much none existent drug testing and the large number of top sprinters it coincidentally produces.

[BlueCrayon]

Fun Fact: Pretty much every previous record holder from the past 2-3 decades turned out to be on PED's.

Do you really believe that somebody who shatters world records in a never before seen manner is clean? Especially if he comes from a tiny country that is known for the pretty much none existent drug testing and the large number of top sprinters it coincidentally produces.

Records are inevitably going to be broken. If someone takes PEDs and participates in the Olympics since they continuing testing the athletes even after the Olympics. Also, it is not really coincidence that the top sprinters come from Jamaica since sprinting is as big there as basketball as to the U.S.

[Brick Rick]

In Joe Rogan's podcast episode 277 he had Victor Conte who administered PED's to many athletes in the past and even did time for it. He pretty much thinks 50-80% of athletes in professional, physically demanding sports are on it. He also says there's a lot of ways getting around the test like timing your use, and taking stuff that isn't detected in the test which doesn't nearly test for everything.

I don't know either way, but at gunpoint I'd say Lebron, Wade, Kobe, MJ, Shaq have all used.

[ILLsmak]

You really think lebron goes to the gym every day ?
http://www.howcelebsgetfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lebron-james-1.jpg
http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Lebron-James--Miami-Heat-psd50274.png

I work out in my home gym every day I don't see how I could not be bigger than that ^ if I had the same genetics/height as him

where is he even close to being on roids there?

Yeah, but he weighs like 270, think about that for a second.

Bet you couldn't be 270 and look like that.

-Smak

[BrickingStar]

It's kobe

[Pacers4ever]

Yeah, but he weighs like 270, think about that for a second.

Bet you couldn't be 270 and look like that.

-Smak
You really think he ways 270 pounds? He's closer to 250. And stop putting you're signature on the end of your post like if you've contributed knowledge in this forum. I also said I'd need the same genes as him to get such a stature.

Edit: He's actually under 250

[Boogey]

Lebron went from KD skinny to what he is now in ONE year.

Nba is full of peds

[9erempiree]

Here is Lebron's bloated steroid gut. Notice his abs don't suck in but he's rocking a 6 pack gut.

http://ballerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/lebron-james-with-fiance-savannah-brinson-vacation-bahamas4.jpg

[Pacers4ever]

Lebron went from KD skinny to what he is now in ONE year.

Nba is full of peds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4oWY34vafE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttKWQZ8N3TE4

[unbreakable]

lmao @ lebron being under 250 :biggums:

[BrickingStar]

lmao @ lebron being under 250 :biggums:
I just googled it too and that's what I get from the google result but yeah I find it more believable than him being 270 which is nearly impossible at the speed he runs in transition

[kNicKz]

http://textosterona.com/site1/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dwight_howard_steroids.bmp

[AngelEyes]

BEFORE
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qr2TzmrGq60/TKFjOB1KbZI/AAAAAAAAABE/ous4gAYXYhs/s1600/main%5B1%5D.jpg
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2005/06/05/inside-wade.jpg

AFTER
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Miami+Heat+v+Los+Angeles+Lakers+1guVUcoPNykl.jpg
http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/dwyane-wade-air-jordan-2011-white-red-03.JPG
http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Dwyane-Wade-ad.png

[Dictator]

Lebron isn't close to 270.

Dwight is huge and he isn't even 270. Lebron is 245.

[AngelEyes]

Lebron isn't close to 270.

Dwight is huge and he isn't even 270. Lebron is 245.

There's no way in hell Lebron is only 245!!!! This prick was 240 coming out of fvcking high school.

[BrickingStar]

There's no way in hell Lebron is only 245!!!! This prick was 240 coming out of fvcking high school.
Ever thought those measurements might be off?

[AngelEyes]

Ever thought those measurements might be off?

He was 240 in his final days of high school and the pre draft camp, I think the number is accurate.

[chosen_one6]

Ever thought how some of these boxers are like 5'8 155 and they're twice as big as someone that doesn't play any sports and is the same height and weight? All of that build up of muscle tissue can make someone look much bigger than their weight actually says. I'm 6'1 175 and I have a cousin that is one inch shorter and the same weight, and he looks much bigger than I do (he wrestled for 4 years in high school). It IS possible to gain a lot of muscle mass naturally with the money they have and the advanced diets, workouts, and trainers they have access to. I wouldn't doubt it if these guys eat upwards of 7000 calories a day, and they likely consume twice the amount of water or more than an average person, which can also cause their muscles to look slightly bigger. I'd be incredibly ignorant to think no one is taking PED's, but to say 90% of professional athletes do is just insane and a theory, nothing more and nothing less.

[Pushxx]

People would be surprised how far you can get in natural bodybuilding with dedication.

[Euroleague]

Probably 95+% of NBA players are on PEDs.

[NumberSix]

jelemy Rin
:roll:

[ShaqAttack3234]

You really think he ways 270 pounds? He's closer to 250. And stop putting you're signature on the end of your post like if you've contributed knowledge in this forum. I also said I'd need the same genes as him to get such a stature.

Edit: He's actually under 250

He was 245 at pre-draft camp in '03. It's widely accepted that he's been between 265-270 since the '08-'09 season. I've heard numerous reports that he's in that range, and I wouldn't buy anything less. You can't compare his build to others and guess his weight that way. People carry weight differently, it has a lot to do with bone density and how evenly proportioned that weight is as well as how lean you are. We have an official weight from '03 for Lebron, and there's no way he isn't 20 pounds heavier than he was then.

Lebron at 240-245....

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/0812/lebron24hours/images/rookieofyear.jpg

Lebron in 2009....

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+2009+NBA+Star+Game+vwf805x_6UZl.jpg

Lebron in 2012....

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/LeBron+James+Miami+Heat+v+Indiana+Pacers+Game+xZ3o NAicc_hl.jpg

Compare the 240-245 Lebron to the Lebron from '09-'12, and you say he's still under 250? :facepalm

I'm not accusing Lebron of anything, in fact, he's hardly the first guy I'd suspect of PEDs. He's naturally bigger than most NBA players, but not what I'd call ripped or shredded. Just a freak athlete. I have no idea if he's using any kind of steroid or HGH, he may have, but I don't suspect him in particular. Regardless, Lebron at 245, or anything under 260 is a joke since 2008. It's simply false.

I suspect Karl Malone, Dwight, Wade post-injury, and Kobe in the 2 years Samurai Swoosh mentioned. But even if this was confirmed(and there's nothing linking any of them to it other than our gut feelings), it has nothing to do with how I judge any of them as players.

And yeah, you can't necessarily spot a steroid user by how they look, for the NBA we have Rashard Lewis as proof, and in baseball, look at Rafael Palmeiro and Manny Ramirez, neither had particularly impressive physiques, especially Manny, and both are truly confirmed steroid users, not just accused or suspected.

Karl Malone is the one I suspect the most. First, there's his build. MUCH lower body fat % than Lebron, and lower than just about any NBA player I've seen with that much size.

This makes you wonder.....

http://www.basket-jusqua-pas-dheure.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/253476741_890cb66ecc.jpg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsH0ImhCHF5npC54G926xjDGD4WPIaK mijIyQRJJNAL8VEi-a6rQL_7ePW
http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/malonka01.jpeg

Can you obtain Malone's physique naturally? Sure, he's not Arnold in his prime, or comparable to a body builder, but what adds to my suspicions is Malone's ridiculously longevity and durability. Who produces like Malone did at his age? And who pretty much doesn't get injured until they're over 40 years old and in their 19th season? Through his first 18 seasons, he missed a total of 10 games, and never more than 2 in a season before his final year with the Lakers when he had the knee injury. Of course, Malone arguably had the greatest work ethic in NBA history, so genetics, and unusual dedication could be solely responsible for his unmatched durability and longevity, but I'm not so sure.

The guys who put on 10-15 pounds of mostly muscle in an offseason(a few months) are suspicious. To put on 15 pounds of solid muscle is extremely difficult. That's the amount of weight Barry Bonds put on from the '98 offseason to '99 spring training.....

[Foster5k]

:oldlol:

This is nothing more than a witch hunt. If you're going to accuse people of taking steroids, etc, at least have some better evidence than some pictures of guys with muscles.

These days, with the whole MLB steroids scandal, anyone that's dominating a sport is considered to be doping.

Babe Ruth in this day and age would be said to be doping. Hank Aaron would be said to be doping. Michael Jordan would be said to be doping, etc.

Lebron is a workaholic. Dude is always in the gym and on the court working on his game. Hell, I know guys that are bigger than Lebron muscle wise and have taken zero PHDs.

[unbreakable]

Hell, I know guys that are bigger than Lebron muscle wise and have taken zero PHDs.

http://i.imgur.com/buNmh.gif

[KungFuJoe]

I'm sure PEDs are used in most all professional sports. Is Lebron on any? I can't say no, but I don't see any of the "telltale" signs such as enlarged cranium, back pimples, etc. Also, some PEDs, while they help you recover, can actually make you more prone to injury.

Lebron's weight gain is definitely normal. Remember, he entered the NBA when he was out of high school so he was still relatively young. I was 160 in high school and 3 years later I was 190-195 with relatively little change in diet or exercise. I wasn't fatter or necessarily more muscular (though probably the latter)...I was just...bigger. If you add in the nutritionists and trainers they have at their disposal, etc...it's not a big surprise that some of these younger players can easily add weight.

[Boogey]

Lebron put on a lot of muscle from pre-draft to post-draft, so it's possible.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron put on a lot of muscle from pre-draft to post-draft, so it's possible.

Well, he was only 18 when he was drafted, and it wasn't until his 4th or 5th year that he was 15 pounds heavier when he was 22-23, so that doesn't make me particularly suspicious. Lebron's build really isn't that unusual to me, I don't believe his body fat % is as low as what's commonly reported, and he's really just a guy who naturally carries a lot of weight, and probably filled out more when he stopped growing and started lifting weights.

You're right that it's possible, though. It's possible any of them are. Not many would surprise me except for a guy like Allen Iverson who hated even lifting weights. I'm pretty sure I remember him getting fined for not lifting weights at one point. And one year, the Sixers were unhappy that he showed up so light at less than 160, maybe 155. He's one guy who I'd be really surprised to find out was on any sort of PED.

[I<3NBA]

my take on PEDs is that if it isn't addictive and doesn't have negative effects (uncontrollable rage, depression, etc.), it should be allowed. in ALL SPORTS.

that way, we'd get to see even more amazing athletes and more amazing feats. my guess is, when medical technology has advanced far enough that athletes have become basically cyborgs, this will all be a moot discussion.

[outbreak]

my take on PEDs is that if it isn't addictive and doesn't have negative effects (uncontrollable rage, depression, etc.), it should be allowed. in ALL SPORTS.

that way, we'd get to see even more amazing athletes and more amazing feats. my guess is, when medical technology has advanced far enough that athletes have become basically cyborgs, this will all be a moot discussion.

And what about when they find out all the heart problems and crap it's causing? Nearly every drug out there, from illegal steroids to over the counter stuff, has chances at causing side effects in some people. Allowing these would force all players to take them to compete and would nullify any records held by players from an era that was clean. It's like in swimming when they started those full body suits that are now banned. Every record was being broken, didn't harm the athletes, but it's still wrong and unfair to players who came before

[Brick Rick]

250-260.

[KenneBell]

I have no doubt that LeBron is 265-270. Hell, Wade came in at 230 at the beginning of last season.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

BEFORE
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qr2TzmrGq60/TKFjOB1KbZI/AAAAAAAAABE/ous4gAYXYhs/s1600/main%5B1%5D.jpg
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2005/06/05/inside-wade.jpg

AFTER
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Miami+Heat+v+Los+Angeles+Lakers+1guVUcoPNykl.jpg
http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/dwyane-wade-air-jordan-2011-white-red-03.JPG
http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Dwyane-Wade-ad.png


yeahhh Wade definitely used. Nice find man.

Look at his HGH jaw...he didnt have that when he was first drafted.