Has there ever been a player in history playing as a top 3 player in his 17 season

[Umad101]

One of a kind baby

[BlueandGold]

There's been several but it's not that common with someone who's played this much basketball while as a perimeter player.

Who knows maybe the less physical nature/rules of the game now will enable a lot of players to do this till well into their 30s. KG and Duncan are still playing well but not to the degree that Kobe has shown.

[Foster5k]

Knee "spinning" and other medical advances will help great players continue to be great, while getting older, in the future.

Oh and obvious Kobe Stan thread.

[Droid101]

There's been several but it's not that common with someone who's played this much basketball while as a perimeter player.

Who knows maybe the less physical nature/rules of the game now will enable a lot of players to do this till well into their 30s. KG and Duncan are still playing well but not to the degree that Kobe has shown.
If that's the case, then there would be a bunch of other 34 year old guards still going this strong.

Care to point me toward them to compare?

[ihoopallday]

Not really. The guy is just a hard worker. Not saying other players don't work hard, but Kobe's unique work ethic is the reason he's still playing at such a high level.

[Carbine]

Fundamentals + unique talent + work ethic = longevity

Players just don't do what he is doing in his 17th year. Not even Kareem.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lackluster record compared to the stacked team he is playing with. Not that impressed. Not to mention he always starts off hot and than cools off. Its going to happen again.

[IGOTGAME]

When Nash comes back he won't look as good.

[zizozain]

37 Y.O Kareem in his 20th season (4 in college)

[KyrieTheFuture]

He's fortunate to have the body he has

[glidedrxlr22]

Kobe was not top 3 his first couple of seasons.....so throw out that 17 year top 3 nonsense.

[scm5]

Kobe was not top 3 his first couple of seasons.....so throw out that 17 year top 3 nonsense.

.... reading comprehension is a vital skill.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe was not top 3 his first couple of seasons.....so throw out that 17 year top 3 nonsense.


:facepalm


FAIL

Comprehende?...

[FPJ]

No

[KG215]

No, but Kobe is the best to ever play the game, so it makes sense.

[scm5]

No, but Kobe is the best to ever play the game, so it makes sense.

lol

[Odinn]

Kobe wasn't a top 3 player in;
1996-97
1997-98
1998-99
1999-00
2001-02
2004-05
2010-11
seasons without a doubt.

His case for being a top 3 player is arguable;
2002-03
2003-04
2011-12


What 17 seasons?:roll: :roll:

[chazzy]

Kobe wasn't a top 3 player in;
1996-97
1997-98
1998-99
1999-00
2001-02
2004-05
2010-11
seasons without a doubt.

His case for being a top 3 player is arguable;
2002-03
2003-04
2011-12


What 17 seasons?:roll: :roll:

.... reading comprehension is a vital skill.
:lol

[Umad101]

No, but Kobe is the best to ever play the game, so it makes sense.
Ur a troll


Gtfo----------->

[macmac]

:lol

Actually I think the writing skills are worse than the reading comprehension in this case. Title is missing either an "th" after 17, or an "s" after season, which makes a big difference in what that sentence is supposed to signify.

[Odinn]

:lol
Actually OP is on my ignore list. He is a well-known Kobe-d-rider. There is no post of mine would be dumber than his attempts to look Kobe like goat.:oldlol:

[chazzy]

Actually I think the writing skills are worse than the reading comprehension in this case. Title is missing either an "th" after 17, or an "s" after season, which makes a big difference in what that sentence is supposed to signify.
True, but I figured it was obvious what he meant given Kobe's slow start to his career

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe wasn't a top 3 player in;
1996-97
1997-98
1998-99
1999-00
2001-02
2004-05
2010-11
seasons without a doubt.

His case for being a top 3 player is arguable;
2002-03
2003-04
2011-12


What 17 seasons?:roll: :roll:

you just went full retard




2001 - 28/6/5 ( nba champion ) ( top 2 player )
2002 - 25/6/5 ( nba champion ) ( top 3 player )
2003 - 30/7/6 ( best player )
2004 - 24/5/5 ( nba finals ) ( top 3 player )
2005 - 27/7/6 ( best player* when he wasnt injured )
2006 - 35/5/5 ( best player )
2007 - 32/5/5 ( best player )
2008 - 28/6/5 ( nba finals ) ( best player )
2009 - 27/5/5 ( nba champion ) ( best player )
2010 - 27/5/5 ( nba champion ) ( 2nd best player )
2011 - 26/5/5 ( top 5 player )
2012 - 28/5/5 ( top 3 player )
2013 - 27/6/5 ( top 3 player )

[HardwoodLegend]

2003 - 30/7/6 ( best player )

Where would you rank T-Mac that year with his beastly ass PER?

[Poetry]

Knee "spinning" and other medical advances will help great players continue to be great, while getting older, in the future.

As an example of how modern medicine is extending peak and overall longevity, according to dime magazine in 1985 there were only 5 players age 35 or older. Last season, there were 29. That's six times as many.

[Odinn]

you just went full retard




2001 - 28/6/5 ( nba champion ) ( top 2 player )
2002 - 25/6/5 ( nba champion ) ( top 3 player )
2003 - 30/7/6 ( best player )
2004 - 24/5/5 ( nba finals ) ( top 3 player )
2005 - 27/7/6 ( best player* when he wasnt injured )
2006 - 35/5/5 ( best player )
2007 - 32/5/5 ( best player )
2008 - 28/6/5 ( nba finals ) ( best player )
2009 - 27/5/5 ( nba champion ) ( best player )
2010 - 27/5/5 ( nba champion ) ( 2nd best player )
2011 - 26/5/5 ( top 5 player )
2012 - 28/5/5 ( top 3 player )
2013 - 27/6/5 ( top 3 player )
The GOAT troll has spoken.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe wasn't a top 3 player in;
1996-97
1997-98
1998-99
1999-00
2001-02
2004-05
2010-11
seasons without a doubt.

His case for being a top 3 player is arguable;
2002-03
2003-04
2011-12


What 17 seasons?:roll: :roll:


another FAIL...


Haterz so Mad they can't even take time and read.:roll:


good Work OP

[KG215]

another FAIL...


Haterz so Mad they can't even take time and read.:roll:


good Work OP
Yeah! Good work fellow Kobe stan!

And everybody else, get in Alpha's back pocket!

[LAClipsFan33]

As an example of how modern medicine is extending peak and overall longevity, according to dime magazine in 1985 there were only 5 players age 35 or older. Last season, there were 29. That's six times as many.

:applause:

[Poetry]

Another interesting note:

The reason Kobe, A-Rod, and other athletes travel to Germany for their biologic treatments involves a vague FDA regulation that mandates that all human tissues (such as blood and bone marrow) can only be "minimally manipulated," or else they are classified as a drug and subject to much stricter governmental regulations. The problem, of course, is figuring out what "minimal" means in the context of biologics.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7796225/kobe-bryant-dr-chris-renna-regenokine-knee-treatment

That said, it's too early to tell how effective these procedures are:

Or maybe the injection of spun blood is just an elaborate placebo, a high-tech gimmick that tricks the brain into disbelieving the laments of the body.

[pauk]

17th season doesnt matter, age does matter... Kobe turned 18 coming in to the NBA, he is now at 34... Dont give me that "wear n tear" nonsense, he would played & exercised (which is only healthy for you) basketball equally much or maybe even more even if he didnt come in to the NBA at 18...

As far as top 3 player goes, we shall see about that by the end of the season and especially the playoffs...

[heyhey]

this has been a rough year for Kobe haters. His domination this season has driven lots of them over the edge

they thought he just fade away in his old age like their fave players did, the iversons, carters, macgradys, duncans, WADE, etc, but again and again Kobe proving the doubters wrong

It's funny that Kobe haters refuse to admit his greatness. Every year they prop up some player having a career season as better than Kobe, every year that player changes and Kobe remains the measuring stick. RulerBe

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah! Good work fellow Kobe stan!

And everybody else, get in Alpha's back pocket!


Kobe got U Mad.....

Keep killin em Kobe....17 years and counting.:roll:

[swi7ch]

Jordan would be if he played 17 years.

The only reason Kobe has caught up with Jordan in terms of statistical records is because he has played longer than Jordan (because he came out of HS and Jordan retired for 2 years).

[AlphaWolf24]

17th season doesnt matter, age does matter... Kobe turned 18 coming in to the NBA, he is now at 34... Dont give me that "wear n tear" nonsense, he would played & exercised (which is only healthy for you) basketball equally much or maybe even more even if he didnt come in to the NBA at 18...

As far as top 3 player goes, we shall see about that by the end of the season and especially the playoffs...


- team acomplishments remember.....those don't have any bearing on how great a player is.

- you should understand that.....seeing how you have been spewing that for over the past 4 seasons.:lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Jordan would be if he played 17 years.

The only reason Kobe has caught up with Jordan in terms of statistical records is because he has played longer than Jordan (because he came out of HS and Jordan retired for 2 years).


- terruble point....What if Wilt chamberlain started playing right out of Highschool.....what If Chamberlain joined the NBA right out of College...What if Chamberlain played on a different team with a different coach...he would merk all the records even more then what he merks now.

what if....what if...what if....

Kobe did it...deal wit it

[dyna]

This year:

Lebron>Durant>Rondo>Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Where would you rank T-Mac that year with his beastly ass PER?

i would say 3rd behind kobe and duncan

tmac had the best numbers by a fraction over kobe.. but its easier the shoot when there isnt as much pressure. and the magic didn't get allot of pressure due to their record

[Heilige]

i would say 3rd behind kobe and duncan

tmac had the best numbers by a fraction over kobe.. but its easier the shoot when there isnt as much pressure. and the magic didn't get allot of pressure due to their record


kennethgriffin, what off-season/summer do you feel Kobe was the most motivated and put the most work in towards the upcoming season?

I am thinking either the off-season after the 2001-2002 season was over or the off-season after the 2004-2005 season was over.

[kennethgriffin]

This year:

Lebron>Durant>Rondo>Kobe


kobes playing better than all of these guys so far

and only guys who were better last year was durant and lebron


rondo's entire game is based on the ability of others. since he can't hit a shot on his own hes only effective if others are on

kobe on the other hand can do both score and create if others arnt knocking them down



kennethgriffin, what off-season/summer do you feel Kobe was the most motivated and put the most work in towards the upcoming season?

I am thinking either the off-season after the 2001-2002 season was over or the off-season after the 2004-2005 season was over.


2002-2003

he came in camp with 30 extra pounds of muscle

and that year was the first time you could see his range increase to 5 feet behind the three point arc

[Heilige]

kobes playing better than all of these guys so far

and only guys who were better last year was durant and lebron


rondo's entire game is based on the ability of others. since he can't hit a shot on his own hes only effective if others are on

kobe on the other hand can do both score and create if others arnt knocking them down





2002-2003

he came in camp with 30 extra pounds of muscle

and that year was the first time you could see his range increase to 5 feet behind the three point arc


Do you know what Kobe's workout routine was like for that off-season? How was he able to put on 30 pounds of muscle that fast?

[kennethgriffin]

Do you know what Kobe's workout routine was like for that off-season? How was he able to put on 30 pounds of muscle that fast?

hes got 500+ million dollars and has nothing to do all day except hit the gym. probably eats only salmon, veggies, nuts and fruit every day, has a personal training staff and is highly motivated

whenever someone has all of these things its pretty easy to put on muscle lol

[Umad101]

hes got 500+ million dollars and has nothing to do all day except hit the gym. probably eats only salmon, veggies, nuts and fruit every day, has a personal training staff and is highly motivated

whenever someone has all of these things its pretty easy to put on muscle lol
Lol at u the only way he would have put in 30 pounds of muscle in that short time frame is steroids

[AlphaWolf24]

Do you know what Kobe's workout routine was like for that off-season? How was he able to put on 30 pounds of muscle that fast?


15 lbs.....not 30

[kennethgriffin]

15 lbs.....not 30


my bad. it was 15. he went from like 205 to 220

[Psileas]

Had Kareem, Wilt or Jordan started their careers at 18-19 and played as few minutes early on in their careers as Kobe was, I'm willing to bet they'd still have been playing at a top-3 level in their 17th seasons. Kareem would be his 1982 self, Jordan his 1998 self and Wilt his 1971 self.

[-p.tiddy-]

Had Kareem, Wilt or Jordan started their careers at 18-19 and played as few minutes early on in their careers as Kobe was, I'm willing to bet they'd still have been playing at a top-3 level in their 17th seasons. Kareem would be his 1982 self, Jordan his 1998 self and Wilt his 1971 self.
this

[LA Lakers]

The consistency of game Kobe Bean has shown is amazing. He will set a record for longevity. Kareem his last 2 or 3 years you could see how slow he was getting up and down the court... If Kobe goes another 2 or 3 years at this level and gets another ring who knows? But its amazing to watch.

[DatAsh]

Had Kareem, Wilt or Jordan started their careers at 18-19 and played as few minutes early on in their careers as Kobe was, I'm willing to bet they'd still have been playing at a top-3 level in their 17th seasons. Kareem would be his 1982 self, Jordan his 1998 self and Wilt his 1971 self.

All three of those guys were more than capable as well, and two of them - Wilt and Kareem - were even more capable.

[Orlando Magic]

As an example of how modern medicine is extending peak and overall longevity, according to dime magazine in 1985 there were only 5 players age 35 or older. Last season, there were 29. That's six times as many.

There were also only 23 teams in 1985. Now there are 30.

Veterans and rookies back then almost all knew the fundamentals of the game, and a lot of those coming into the league today do not.

While "modern medicine" might play a role, I suspect that the expansion of teams and most new players not knowing fundamental basketball leads to more old guys that do know fundamentals being coveted and being able to stick around longer before teams tell them to get lost.

[LA Lakers]

Wilt kept himself in top shape. I couldnt imagine what the advancement of medicine, diet and sleep techniques plus Wilts work ethic would do for him today...

[talamo]

Had Kareem, Wilt or Jordan started their careers at 18-19 and played as few minutes early on in their careers as Kobe was, I'm willing to bet they'd still have been playing at a top-3 level in their 17th seasons. Kareem would be his 1982 self, Jordan his 1998 self and Wilt his 1971 self.

So to answer o.p's question: No Kobe is the only one who did it :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

Had Kareem, Wilt or Jordan started their careers at 18-19 and played as few minutes early on in their careers as Kobe was, I'm willing to bet they'd still have been playing at a top-3 level in their 17th seasons. Kareem would be his 1982 self, Jordan his 1998 self and Wilt his 1971 self.

I believe Wilt and Kareem may be able to.

I don't think MJ can because he took 2 years off to rest after those long seasons 3peating.

[DatAsh]

I believe Wilt and Kareem may be able to.

I don't think MJ can because he took 2 years off to rest after those long seasons 3peating.

Those seasons off hurt his game more than they helped him. That should go without saying. Taking a couple seasons off from any sport, especially at that level, is a very bad thing for one's game.

[KG215]

I believe Wilt and Kareem may be able to.

I don't think
MJ can because he took 2 years off to rest after those long seasons 3peating.
Not that this is breaking news or anything, but you're clueless.

[LA Lakers]

Naw man, are you kidding? MJ went and played minor league baseball, came back in baseball shape and found a way to still dominate the league(second 3peat). Im a Laker through and through, but Kobe will never be on that mans level. Only thing Kobe will surpass MJ is longevity.

[Asukal]

I believe Wilt and Kareem may be able to.

I don't think MJ can because he took 2 years off to rest after those long seasons 3peating.

17th season? Probably no other player has but the season is not over yet so Kobe is not yet a lock for top 3. FYI, Jordan at age 35 is the MVP and FMVP of the league, let's see Kobe do that at age 34. :p

[LA Lakers]

Exactly. Lets not forget the almost 2 years of minor league baseball prior...

[9erempiree]

Naw man, are you kidding? MJ went and played minor league baseball, came back in baseball shape and found a way to still dominate the league(second 3peat). Im a Laker through and through, but Kobe will never be on that mans level. Only thing Kobe will surpass MJ is longevity.

Can't blame Kobe because MJ wasn't durable enough to play more seasons.

Also, taking 2 seasons off does help your body. Heck, he was standing in the outfield tanning.

He took time off and it's not hard to get in basketball shape. He had an offseason to do so.

[All Net]

One of a kind baby

Of course but not many as a perimeter player

[9erempiree]

17th season? Probably no other player has but the season is not over yet so Kobe is not yet a lock for top 3. FYI, Jordan at age 35 is the MVP and FMVP of the league, let's see Kobe do that at age 34. :p

Kobe's played more games dude. It's amazing what he's doing right now.

Kobe made it to more Finals than MJ. Longer seasons than MJ.

[DatAsh]

Also, taking 2 seasons off does help your body. Heck, he was standing in the outfield tanning.

He took time off and it's not hard to get in basketball shape. He had an offseason to do so.

This post just demonstrates a lack of understanding.

[9erempiree]

Exactly. Lets not forget the almost 2 years of minor league baseball prior...

We didn't forget. I just mentioned it was his vacation.

[9erempiree]

This post just demonstrates a lack of understanding.

negged.

[LA Lakers]

Legs are conditioned differently. Basketball requires muscle tone in your calfs baseball more focus upper thighs, just a huge size/weight distribution difference, especially for a guy who spent his NBA career on the perimeter like MJ. To come back out of shape and grind himself into shape through hard fought games(East was stacked then) is just amazing. No one has or had his drive. Just saying. Kobe I find it hard to surpass Kareem in points, but Kobe is still on a different level than most to have played the game.

[glidedrxlr22]

.... reading comprehension is a vital skill.

Let me elaborate. Out of his 17 years, at least his first two seasons he was not top 3. A few of his other 15 years are arguable. Comprende?

[AlphaWolf24]

Naw man, are you kidding? MJ went and played minor league baseball, came back in baseball shape and found a way to still dominate the league(second 3peat). Im a Laker through and through, but Kobe will never be on that mans level. Only thing Kobe will surpass MJ is longevity.


First off..

- Basketball wise...Kobe is on MJ's level.....lets get your silly opinion outta the way...

- I'm sure you will use Marginal statistical differences and not considered Jordan played 1/3 of his career in a totally different era...

- I watched both players whole careers...basketball alone...they are on the same level.

- Now when you get into cultural "impact" or Marketing ( Moving shoes)..MJ has him beat...hands down. Jordan was a amazing person/athlete who (thanks to Magic and Bird) shined at the right time.

#2. Jordan grew a little tired of Basketball....and the media pressure off the court.....on top of his Fathers death he left on his own free will.

Kobe has also had to deal with major Issues but instead never left the game of BBALL....in a sence he loves the game more and chose to keep playing....

#3 He came back and played great...."Baseball shape"...he still worked out with Grover and looked to be in Phenomonal shape and rested.

It didn't take long to get his game back...as he dropped 55 in the Garden

:confusedshrug: that's what happened...not "what if"

[9erempiree]

Legs are conditioned differently. Basketball requires muscle tone in your calfs baseball more upper thighs especially for a guy who spent his NBA career on the perimeter like MJ. To come back out of shape and grind himself into shape through hard fought games(East was stacked then) is just amazing. No one has or had his drive. Just saying. Kobe I find it hard to surpass Kareem in points, but Kobe is still on a different level than most to have played the game.

:oldlol:

Ok, let's say he was in baseball condition....he lost.

Had an offseason.....got back into basketball shape. Nothing spectacular in what he did. Kobe would have done the same thing.

Let's not act like just because he got back into basketball shape, which he was suppose to, translates to something amazing.

[AlphaWolf24]

Let me elaborate. Out of his 17 years, at least his first two seasons he was not top 3. A few of his other 15 years are arguable. Comprende?


:facepalm :lol ...still don't get it

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512hAfzK%2BXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[DatAsh]

Let me elaborate. Out of his 17 years, at least his first two seasons he was not top 3. A few of his other 15 years are arguable. Comprende?

I think the OP meant that Kobe is still a top 3 player in his 17th season,which so far looks to be the case, not that he's been a top 3 player for 17 seasons.

[glidedrxlr22]

First off..

- Basketball wise...Kobe is on MJ's level.....lets get your silly opinion outta the way...

- I'm sure you will use Marginal statistical differences and not considered Jordan played 1/3 of his career in a totally different era...

- I watched both players whole careers...basketball alone...they are on the same level.

- Now when you get into cultural "impact" or Marketing ( Moving shoes)..MJ has him beat...hands down. Jordan was a amazing person/athlete who (thanks to Magic and Bird) shined at the right time.

#2. Jordan grew a little tired of Basketball....and the media pressure off the court.....on top of his Fathers death he left on his own free will.

Kobe has also had to deal with major Issues but instead never left the game of BBALL....in a sence he loves the game more and chose to keep playing....

#3 He came back and played great...."Baseball shape"...he still worked out with Grover and looked to be in Phenomonal shape and rested.

It didn't take long to get his game back...as he dropped 55 in the Garden

:confusedshrug: that's what happened...not "what if"

You sir have been negged for idiocy.

[LA Lakers]

Im not saying Kobe wouldnt work at it, but remember that game at MSG? when Jordan dropped what 50? 55? I cant remember something like that, but i remember Starks harassing the shit out of him and Oakley clogging the middle and Jordan still scored at will from everywhere on the court and you could see he clearly wasnt in shape...

[ashlar]

One of a kind baby

I don't think so but you'll be a top 3 Kobe ********** til the day you die. I'm not sure which one is more impressive.

[AlphaWolf24]

You sir have been negged for idiocy.


MuF@ka you can't even read.....or you got big ol glasses on...prolly look like you starin through a Fish tank.

we prolly all look like fishes to you...




If you are mentally challenged I apologize

[DatAsh]

negged.

MJ's lack of longevity came as a result of a combination of him choosing to go to college, and him loosing interest in the game. It had nothing to do with physical limitations.

[glidedrxlr22]

MuF@ka you can't even read.....or you got big ol glasses on...prolly look like you starin through a Fish tank.

we prolly all look like fishes to you...




If you are mentally challenged I apologize

The hate blinded me muthafuka...but it's clear as day...you are an idiot.

[talamo]

MuF@ka you can't even read.....or you got big ol glasses on...prolly look like you starin through a Fish tank.

we prolly all look like fishes to you...




If you are mentally challenged I apologize

:roll:

[9erempiree]

Im not saying Kobe wouldnt work at it, but remember that game at MSG? when Jordan dropped what 50? 55? I cant remember something like that, but i remember Starks harassing the shit out of him and Oakley clogging the middle and Jordan still scored at will from everywhere on the court and you could see he clearly wasnt in shape...

The man played basketball for his entire life and developed the necessary skills to succeed.

You think out of his entire life, that missing two seasons, will cause him to lose a lifetime of achieving these skills? I don't think so.

The seasons off actually helped him, whether he was in basketball shape or not doesn't mean a thing, he's one of the all time greats.

It doesn't shock me that he dropped 50 plus considering it's not like he lost all his skills.

[AlphaWolf24]

That **** goin around neegin everyone.....thinks Online "rep" means anything??




serious Bisnass

[9erempiree]

MJ's lack of longevity came as a result of a combination of him choosing to go to college, and him loosing interest in the game. It had nothing to do with physical limitations.

I will have to agree with half of what you are saying. He went to college to develop his skills. I don't think any team would draft a high school MJ. Unlike MJ, Kobe was highly skilled at a young age and was a 1st rounder. MJ would have been on D-league out of high school.

He didn't get bored with basketball, he took a vacation to rest his body and mind. It's grueling for the mind and body after playing all those years in the playoffs and coming off a 3peat.

If it wasn't for playing baseball....his knees would have been shot and there were no chances for a 2nd 3peat.

[LA Lakers]

Alphawolf, your opinion is your opinion and I respect it but Ive watched both careers and yeah sometimes I watch Kobe do something and hes the only guy today where I look at the tv and say"Man, I remember when MJ used to do shit like that..." But I still completely disagree with you. No one except maybe Magic and Wilt in my book can be argued against MJ as the "greatest." Just my opinion brotha...

[KG215]

MuF@ka you can't even read.....or you got big ol glasses on...prolly look like you starin through a Fish tank.

we prolly all look like fishes to you...




If you are mentally challenged I apologize
Best trash talker on ISH.

[glidedrxlr22]

Alphawolf, your opinion is your opinion and I respect it but Ive watched both careers and yeah sometimes I watch Kobe do something and hes the only guy today where I look at the tv and say"Man, I remember when MJ used to do shit like that..." But I still completely disagree with you. No one except maybe Magic and Wilt in my book can be argued against MJ as the "greatest." Just my opinion brotha...

Now that's a laker fan opinion I can respect. :applause:

[9erempiree]

I think what fans are most tired of, is the stupid "bringing up MJ" in a Kobe thread. MJ is long retired and stop comparing him to Kobe just to make him relevant.

They are both equal players....pick their names out of a hat and that's the greatest one.

Kareem, Wilt and Shaq fans don't compare the 3 to Kobe. Why?..because they are very secure of their favorite player.

The constant comparison of MJ to Kobe is sickening. We need to enjoy Kobe's time right now and appreciate some of the greatest basketball being played in history.

[AlphaWolf24]

Alphawolf, your opinion is your opinion and I respect it but Ive watched both careers and yeah sometimes I watch Kobe do something and hes the only guy today where I look at the tv and say"Man, I remember when MJ used to do shit like that..." But I still completely disagree with you. No one except maybe Magic and Wilt in my book can be argued against MJ as the "greatest." Just my opinion brotha...


:cry: Nooo.......

come to the dark side.....

[LA Lakers]

Still cant believe its been 17 seasons. Man... Go Lakers!

[KG215]

They are both equal players....pick their names out of a hat and that's the greatest one.
:roll: :roll: :roll:


Kareem, Wilt and Shaq fans don't compare the 3 to Kobe. Why?..because they are very secure of their favorite player.

Once again proving how clueless you are.

[Heavincent]

It's a very short list. Kobe's longevity is crazy.

[Jasper]

Jabbar , malone ... only two players I can think of:D

[RRR3]

I think what fans are most tired of, is the stupid "bringing up MJ" in a Kobe thread. MJ is long retired and stop comparing him to Kobe just to make him relevant.

They are both equal players....pick their names out of a hat and that's the greatest one.

Kareem, Wilt and Shaq fans don't compare the 3 to Kobe. Why?..because they are very secure of their favorite player.

The constant comparison of MJ to Kobe is sickening. We need to enjoy Kobe's time right now and appreciate some of the greatest basketball being played in history.
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[G-train]

The NBA has changed alot, and Kobe being the megastar guard of this time has benefitted greatly.... in terms of rule changes, marketing, city he is in, players he has played with, etc.
:kobe:

[PyrrhusX]

I think what fans are most tired of, is the stupid "bringing up MJ" in a Kobe thread. MJ is long retired and stop comparing him to Kobe just to make him relevant.

They are both equal players....pick their names out of a hat and that's the greatest one.

Kareem, Wilt and Shaq fans don't compare the 3 to Kobe. Why?..because they are very secure of their favorite player.

The constant comparison of MJ to Kobe is sickening. We need to enjoy Kobe's time right now and appreciate some of the greatest basketball being played in history.

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@OP: I dont understand why the 17 hasn't been changed to 17th.

[Blue&Orange]

One of a kind baby
How many have received state of the art medical care from the year 2012?

[TheBigVeto]

LOL Kobe isn't top 3 this season son, what are you smoking.

[HardwoodLegend]

Wilt kept himself in top shape. I couldnt imagine what the advancement of medicine, diet and sleep techniques plus Wilts work ethic would do for him today...

Sleep techniques? Huh? What are you referring to?

[swag2011]

The NBA has changed alot, and Kobe being the megastar guard of this time has benefitted greatly.... in terms of rule changes, marketing, city he is in, players he has played with, etc.
:kobe:

Yea none of it has to do with his incredible work ethic, unique talent, or overall skill. Just luck and everything else but him right? :rolleyes:

[Asukal]

17 seasons 1 MVP... wow! :applause: GOAT!!!!!

[miles berg]

No doubt Tim Duncan has been great but he is in his 16th season, not 17th.

[KOBE143]

In Jordan 15th or his last season in the league, he was only putting 20ppg for 40%fg compared to Kobe 17th season who avg 26ppg in 54%fg.. And some people here still think Kobe is not a top 5 player.. :facepalm If Kobe is not a top 5 player then Jordan also doesnt deserve to be in the top 5 let alone GOAT..

[KungFuJoe]

In Jordan 15th or his last season in the league, he was only putting 20ppg for 40%fg compared to Kobe 17th season who avg 26ppg in 54%fg.. And some people here still think Kobe is not a top 5 player.. :facepalm If Kobe is not a top 5 player then Jordan also doesnt deserve to be in the top 5 let alone GOAT..

I started to reply...then I saw your nick...