Euroleague Approves Of More NBA Rules - FIBA To Follow

[Euroleague]

http://www.euroleague.net/euroleague-basketball/news/i/103765/6330/eca-assembly-meets-in-barcelona


1. A wider court in order to increase the spacing for offensive players.

2. Reducing the technical foul penalty to one free throw and possession.

3. Disqualifying any player charged with two technical fouls.

4. Resetting the twenty-four second shot clock to fourteen seconds after an offensive rebound instead of twenty-four seconds.

5. Replacing one sixty second timeout in each half with one twenty second timeout, limiting the number of timeouts to a maximum of two per team in the last two minutes of the fourth period.

6. Re-introducing the jump ball for all alternating possession situations, with the team winning the opening jump ball getting possession to start the fourth period, the team losing the opening jump ball getting possession to start the second and third periods, using a jump ball to start every extra period.



Since both NBA and Euroleague now have these rules, FIBA will change to them also. In addition to this, Euroleague is also about to expand into the UK, Japanese, Indonesian, and Filipino TV markets, and will soon add a British team to the competition..........

[stallionaire]

Lol so pathetic they want to be just like us. Just like their big brother the NBA. So cute.

To be honest, this should have been done a long time ago. Look at the NBA Development League, they develop players for the NBA and an easier way to do that is have an identical style of rules and play. FIBA/Euroleague are also development leagues for the NBA so it's obvious they should follow suit in this way of thinking.

Keep bringing over polished Europeans/guys who go back to get polished. Really enjoying Shved, Kirilenko, Pekovic, and Rubio right now.

[Euroleague]

Lol so pathetic they want to be just like us. Just like their big brother the NBA. So cute.

To be honest, this should have been done a long time ago. Look at the NBA Development League, they develop players for the NBA and an easier way to do that is have an identical style of rules and play. FIBA/Euroleague are also development leagues for the NBA so it's obvious they should follow suit in this way of thinking.

Keep bringing over polished Europeans/guys who go back to get polished. Really enjoying Shved, Kirilenko, Pekovic, and Rubio right now.

NBA is a second level competition to Euroleague.

[stallionaire]

NBA is a second level competition to Euroleague.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvg4psgabs1qgpiow.jpg

[Euroleague]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvg4psgabs1qgpiow.jpg

Deron Williams never played in Euroleague genius.

[AirTupac]

Deron Williams never played in Euroleague genius.

Then explain how he dropped 50 points in his last Euroleague game genius.

[Euroleague]

Then explain how he dropped 50 points in his last Euroleague game genius.

He NEVER played in Euroleague. STOP LYING.

[stallionaire]

Then explain how he dropped 50 points in his last Euroleague game genius.

This.

In Deron Williams' last Euroleague game he dropped 50 pts 24 assists.

Explain why, Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

This.

In Deron Williams' last Euroleague game he dropped 50 pts 24 assists.

Explain why, Euroleague.



The official Euroleague website:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players?listtype=alltime&letter=W


Deron Williams NEVER played in Euroleague.

[NLZ]

More people in Europe watch the NBA than this "Euroleague". They watch their home grown stars in the NBA opposed to watching their scrubs star in the Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

More people in Europe watch the NBA than this "Euroleague". They watch their home grown stars in the NBA opposed to watching their scrubs star in the Euroleague.

FALSE.

Euroleague has much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.

[KG215]

FALSE.

Euroleague has much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.
Prove it.

[NLZ]

FALSE.

Euroleague has much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.
Link?

[CavaliersFTW]

Link?
*crickets*

[Euroleague]

Prove it.

PROVE that NBA games that air on several days tape delay, or at 2-4 am in the morning, being broadcast mostly on specialty channels - have higher ratings than Euroleague games airing LIVE, in MAJOR time slots on FRIDAY, during PRIME TIME, on MAJOR sports networks.

PROVE IT

[NLZ]

PROVE that NBA games that air on several days tape delay, or at 2-4 am in the morning, being broadcast mostly on specialty channels - have higher ratings than Euroleague games airing LIVE, in MAJOR time slots on FRIDAY, during PRIME TIME, on MAJOR sports networks.

PROVE IT
So you can't prove it?

[KG215]

PROVE that NBA games that air on several days tape delay, or at 2-4 am in the morning, being broadcast mostly on specialty channels - have higher ratings than Euroleague games airing LIVE, in MAJOR time slots on FRIDAY, during PRIME TIME, on MAJOR sports networks.

PROVE IT
I see that for something this simple to prove you're still incapable of providing a link.

[Euroleague]

I see that for something this simple to prove you're still incapable of providing a link.

Provide a link showing that the NBA gets higher TV ratings than Euroleague in Europe, or STFU and GTFO.

[Chapallaz]

Nba games are mostly aired through premium sport channels in loads of European countries. PLUS there's no such thing as one Europe when it comes to things like this. Greece and Spain have a rotally different sports/basketball culture than Denmark, UK or The Netherlands. In those countries Euroleague games are barely covered, while LA Laker games get *some* coverage in national media.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Guys, Deron played in the Turkish league. The team he played for, Besikitas, is only now qualified (and playing) for Euroleague.


So you can't prove it?

Not trying to take Euroleague's side or anything, but originally, you made the statement that the NBA was watched more in Europe.

Can we get a source for that?

[Chapallaz]

Guys, Deron played in the Turkish league. The team he played for, Besikitas, is only now qualified (and playing) for Euroleague.



Not trying to take Euroleague's side or anything, but originally, you made the statement that the NBA was watched more in Europe.

Can we get a source for that?
Depends on what country. There's no such thing as 'Europe' when it comes to TV ratings.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Depends on what country. There's no such thing as 'Europe' when it comes to TV ratings.

Right. I'd like to see what the demographic is.

[CavaliersFTW]

PROVE that NBA games that air on several days tape delay, or at 2-4 am in the morning, being broadcast mostly on specialty channels - have higher ratings than Euroleague games airing LIVE, in MAJOR time slots on FRIDAY, during PRIME TIME, on MAJOR sports networks.

PROVE IT
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oAr-EXC4o50/UK0HS6AapgI/AAAAAAAAD08/OL0jvsmti7k/s800/conventional-logiv-vs-religious-logic.jpg

[LEFT4DEAD]

FALSE.

Euroleague has much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.
This is the dumbest thing I have red. Almost nobody follows Euroleague, even in Europe except for die-hard fans of some team. Im from Europe, and I dont know more than 2 guys who are following Euroleague occasionally, let alone every week, and I know bunch of them who are following NBA. Almost every friend of mine who is playing bball with me is following NBA almost every night. Just deal with it.

[Colbertnation64]

The official Euroleague website:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players?listtype=alltime&letter=W


Deron Williams NEVER played in Euroleague.
either prove it or shut up

[jamal99]

I have no clue about the ratings, but Deron never played a Euroleague game. He played in Eurochallenge which is 3rd tier competition for European clubs.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague Final Four was listed at having had 38 million viewers in Europe. NBA Finals in TOTAL (all games) was listed as having 17 million viewers in Europe.

[CavaliersFTW]

Euroleague Final Four was listed at having had 38 million viewers in Europe. NBA Finals in TOTAL (all games) was listed as having 17 million viewers in Europe.
Can you prove it?

[ashlar]

I could just see Euroleague tracking down everyone on ISH and shooting them in cold blood.

[Euroleague]

This is the dumbest thing I have red. Almost nobody follows Euroleague, even in Europe except for die-hard fans of some team. Im from Europe, and I dont know more than 2 guys who are following Euroleague occasionally, let alone every week, and I know bunch of them who are following NBA. Almost every friend of mine who is playing bball with me is following NBA almost every night. Just deal with it.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:


Right......so NBA games airing on specialty channels, on tape delay, or in the early morning, get higher ratings than Euroleague games airing live on major sports channels in prime time TV....

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Lay off the drugs.

[Euroleague]

Can you prove it?

Can you disprove it?

[CavaliersFTW]

Can you disprove it?
:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oAr-EXC4o50/UK0HS6AapgI/AAAAAAAAD08/OL0jvsmti7k/s800/conventional-logiv-vs-religious-logic.jpg

[Euroleague]

:facepalm

Provide a link showing the NBA gets higher TV ratings than Euroleague throughout Europe as a whole, or stop trolling and shut up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Provide a link showing the NBA gets higher TV ratings than Euroleague throughout Europe as a whole, or stop trolling and shut up.
I'm not claiming one has higher than the other - I'm simply asking you to provide proof for your claim that Euroleague has higher ratings than the NBA. The burden of proof when under scrutiny is on you because your the one who made the claim, not me.

[LEFT4DEAD]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:


Right......so NBA games airing on specialty channels, on tape delay, or in the early morning, get higher ratings than Euroleague games airing live on major sports channels in prime time TV....

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

Lay off the drugs.
LOL special channels? Today? You have millions of streams on internet to watch the game. What special channels? :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[niko]

My favorite Euroleague fact was when he posted this ridiculous attendance for a tournament, and when we calculated it as impossible, he claimed it was because people watching on screens outside counted as people being at the games.

[Sakkreth]

Well I believe that Euroleague ratings are far superior in europe than nba ratings, in countries where basketball is not that popular nba might have an advantage, but ratings are low for both anyways. In Lithuania it's not really comparable, there is some people that watch NBA, but Euroleague has probably hundreds times more viewers still, well of course thats Lithuania, but overall Euroleague gotta have way superior ratings to NBA in europe.

I couldn't find any rating charts for those tho so it's only speculation.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

My favorite Euroleague fact was when he posted this ridiculous attendance for a tournament, and when we calculated it as impossible, he claimed it was because people watching on screens outside counted as people being at the games.

:roll:

[Euroleague]

I'm not claiming one has higher than the other - I'm simply asking you to provide proof for your claim that Euroleague has higher ratings than the NBA. The burden of proof when under scrutiny is on you because your the one who made the claim, not me.

The burden of proof is on KG215 and you. The burden of proof is on the people LYING and MAKING UP THINGS and on those supporting that.

And I never said "Euroleague has higher ratings than NBA". I said it has higher TV ratings IN EUROPE.

[Euroleague]

LOL special channels? Today? You have millions of streams on internet to watch the game. What special channels? :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Since when is an internet stream related to TV ratings?

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Euroleague]

Well I believe that Euroleague ratings are far superior in europe than nba ratings, in countries where basketball is not that popular nba might have an advantage, but ratings are low for both anyways. In Lithuania it's not really comparable, there is some people that watch NBA, but Euroleague has probably hundreds times more viewers still, well of course thats Lithuania, but overall Euroleague gotta have way superior ratings to NBA in europe.

I couldn't find any rating charts for those tho so it's only speculation.

It's the same in Turkey, Greece, Spain, former Yugoslav countries, etc.

The people saying otherwise are simply delusional and nuts.

[Euroleague]

My favorite Euroleague fact was when he posted this ridiculous attendance for a tournament, and when we calculated it as impossible, he claimed it was because people watching on screens outside counted as people being at the games.

You mean like when you claimed the Olympics basketball had more TV viewers and made more money than the FIBA World Cup did, even though FIBA specifically said that was untrue over and over, as the basketball World Cup had more viewers and made more revenues?

STFU

[Rooster]

Well I believe that Euroleague ratings are far superior in europe than nba ratings, in countries where basketball is not that popular nba might have an advantage, but ratings are low for both anyways. In Lithuania it's not really comparable, there is some people that watch NBA, but Euroleague has probably hundreds times more viewers still, well of course thats Lithuania, but overall Euroleague gotta have way superior ratings to NBA in europe.

I couldn't find any rating charts for those tho so it's only speculation.


It's good to hear that Euroleague superstars get love in Europe.:applause:

Hopefully they develop well enough to be a good role player in the NBA.:oldlol:

In the meantime.

Enjoy Michael Jordan Farmar:bowdown:

The Machine:applause:

Rudy

Bobby Brown

Shelden Williams

Kill Bill

And drumroll of scrubs torching those hopeless Euros trying to play basketball.:oldlol:

[Chapallaz]

Underneath you'll find a list of countries in Europe. The ones which have teams participating in EuroLeague are bolded. I have listed the ratings for these countries, for as far as they've been announced. Luckily these countries are among the countries where basketball, in Europe, is most popular. For example, in The Netherlands, basketball has lost most of it's popularity. In the UK, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland abd even Germany, the basketball fans, which are few compared to Balkan countries and Spain/Turkey, tend to be more NBA orientated. In these countries, EuroLeague games, if televized, are aired on the same premium sports channels as the NBA games. The other countries don't have ratings: EuroLeague basketball is barely televised there.

The listed ratings were taken from the EuroLeague site, http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/71714/180/final-four-attracts-record-tv-audiences, which fails to list any further sources.

So, once again: there's no such thing as 'Europe' when it comes to preferences, ratings et such. The diversity here is maybe bigger than in the whole American continent!

A
Albania Pay TV
Andorra Pay TV
Armenia Not aired
Austria Not aired
Azerbaijan Not aired
B
Belarus
Belgium Free
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria Not aired
C
Croatia Pay TV
Cyprus Pay TV
Czech Republic
D
Denmark Not aired
E
Estonia Pay TV
F
Finland Pay TV
France Pay TV
G
Georgia Pay TV
Germany Pay TV
Greece 1,044,041 (15-20%)
H
Hungary Pay TV
I
Iceland Not aired
Ireland Not aired
Italy Free
K
Kosovo
L
Latvia Pay TV
Liechtenstein Not aired
Lithuania Pay TV
Luxembourg Not aired
M
Macedonia Pay TV
Malta
Moldova Not aired
Monaco Pay TV
Montenegro Pay TV
N
The Netherlands Not aired
Norway Not aired
P
Poland Pay TV
Portugal
R
Romania Pay TV
Russia
S
San Marino
Serbia Pay TV
Slovakia Not aired
Slovenia Pay TV
Spain 1,200,000 (6,5%) (Free)
Sweden Pay TV
Switzerland Not aired
T
Turkey Free
U
Ukraine Free
United Kingdom Not aired
V
Vatican City (Holy See) Free

+Israel.

As to compare the TV ratings for Euroleague finals: There are NO DEFINITIVE Audience ratings/Nielsen ratings for NBA Games in Europe. So one can not simply say they're watched more or less in Europe than EuroLeague games. You CAN however compare the ratings for the USA of the 2012 finals (11%, http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2012/06/10/nba-finals-will-surpass-an-11-nielsen-rating-as-prince-durant-faces-king-james-for-nba-throne/).

So to assume the NBA Finals would get a HIGHER rating in European countries such as Spain/Greece/Turkey etc, than the NBA Finals would get in the USA itself, would be crazy.

In countries like Spain/Greece/Turkey, the EuroLeague finals attracted more viewers than the NBA finals. That's for sure. But these countries do NOT respresent Europe as a whole.

BUT if you go to France. To the UK. To the Netherlands. To Denmark. Sweden etc. You will NOT find ANY Euroleague merchandise in the stores. Only NBA merch when it comes to basketball. In Spain you can find, for example Barcelona jerseys as well as NBA jerseys. On the streets you'll see more NBA merch than EuroLeague merch. So thats a different kind of popularity.

So in conclusion:

1. Fans here are underestimating the popularity of European basketball in SOME European countries, basically the Mediterrean area and Russia/Ukraine/Lithuania.
2. Euroleague finals got better ratings than the NBA finals in these countries.
3. For other countries it's impossible to say anything about ratings.

[Chapallaz]

BTW, those who think the EuroLeague and European teams lack in support:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B77buH-D2s8

Compare Euroleague fans to college fans. In these countries basketball's popularity comes close to college basketball fandom. Also because most basketball teams are tied to soccer counterparts.

[CavaliersFTW]

Mods: please move this thread to the international forum

Thank you!

[Sakkreth]

Good and informative post by Chapallaz. Countries where basketball is not popular have low ratings for basketball as a whole anyways, and those happens to be the only countries where NBA is more popular than euroleague (France, Netherlands, UK etc.), that makes me think that Euroleague has far superior TV ratings as a whole in Europe.

[Bodhi]

Any news on if Anthony Parker's statue is done yet?

[kNicKz]

NBA is a second level competition to Euroleague.

I bet some NCAA teams could smash on Euroleague :roll:

[Chapallaz]

I bet some NCAA teams could smash on Euroleague :roll:
I bet some NCAA teams would smash Washigton, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto as well... :confusedshrug:

I bet we've seen NBA teams struggle in preseason against lesser European teams.

One is not definately better than the other because every competiotion has weaker and better teams. However, the NBA, of course, has far moe weak teams, relatively, than EuroLeague. Think of the EuroLeague as the NBA if it were to delete half it's teams.

[Rooster]

I bet some NCAA teams would smash Washigton, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto as well... :confusedshrug:

I bet we've seen NBA teams struggle in preseason against lesser European teams.

One is not definately better than the other because every competiotion has weaker and better teams. However, the NBA, of course, has far moe weak teams, relatively, than EuroLeague. Think of the EuroLeague as the NBA if it were to delete half it's teams.

NBA team led by Farmar and Vujacic.:oldlol:

Sounds like a DLeague team.:oldlol:

[kNicKz]

I bet some NCAA teams would smash Washigton, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto as well... :confusedshrug:


Except they wouldn't....because all of those teams players were top 2-3 on each of their college or euro teams

[kNicKz]

He negged me :roll:

Euroleague= serious business

[Chapallaz]

Except they wouldn't....because all of those teams players were top 2-3 on each of their college or euro teams

College teams are generally better coaches and have better TEAMS (as in defined roles) than some nba teams. 2011-2012 Kentucky would have beaten last year's Bobcats easily.

[kNicKz]

2011-2012 Kentucky would have beaten last year's Bobcats easily.

If you honestly think that, then you are a moron

[Bodhi]

College teams are generally better coaches and have better TEAMS (as in defined roles) than some nba teams. 2011-2012 Kentucky would have beaten last year's Bobcats easily.

Nearly every player in the NBA was either a star or an extremely good player in college and players nearly always improve significantly their first few years in the league. Kemba Walker carried his college team to a national title and the rest of Charlotte's roster is packed with guys who dominated in college and they're all better now than they were in college. Their bodies are more developed, they're more athletic, and they're much more skilled

[Chapallaz]

If you honestly think that, then you are a moron

If I'm a moron the original dream team didn't lose to a bunch of college kids. You are underestimating the quality of a well (or read: callipari) coached college team.

Darius Miller vs Reggie Williams
Terrence Jones vs Bismack Biyombo
Doron Lamb vs Gerald Henderson
Anthony Davis vs Byron Mullens
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist vs Corey Maggette
Marquis Teague vs Kemba Walker or D.J. Augustin

:sleeping

[Michael_Wilbon]

If Euroleague really thought it was a better league than the NBA he wouldn't be on an NBA forum ranting about his lame league.

[kNIOKAS]

I feel sorry for Euroleague as he's getting trolled bad here. Somebody says NBA has higher ratings in Europe than Euroleague and then somehow Euroleague (the poster) has to post links to prove that it doesn't. Post your links saying NBA has higher ratings, first?

[Chapallaz]

I feel sorry for Euroleague as he's getting trolled bad here. Somebody says NBA has higher ratings in Europe than Euroleague and then somehow Euroleague (the poster) has to post links to prove that it doesn't. Post your links saying NBA has higher ratings, first?
Already proved EuroLeague has higher ratings in 'basketball' countries in Europe.

[Michael_Wilbon]

I feel sorry for Euroleague as he's getting trolled bad here. Somebody says NBA has higher ratings in Europe than Euroleague and then somehow Euroleague (the poster) has to post links to prove that it doesn't. Post your links saying NBA has higher ratings, first?

No need to feel sorry for him. He lies about plenty of shit on this board.

[KG215]

So in conclusion:

1. Fans here are underestimating the popularity of European basketball in SOME European countries, basically the Mediterrean area and Russia/Ukraine/Lithuania.
2. Euroleague finals got better ratings than the NBA finals in these countries.
3. For other countries it's impossible to say anything about ratings.
Nah, I believed Euroleague. I just wanted to give him a hard time and see if he would actually provide a link or some sort of evidence that what he was claiming was true.

This particular subject, though, is one of the more believable things he's ever said.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I bet some NCAA teams would smash Washigton, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto as well... :confusedshrug:

I bet we've seen NBA teams struggle in preseason against lesser European teams.

One is not definately better than the other because every competiotion has weaker and better teams. However, the NBA, of course, has far moe weak teams, relatively, than EuroLeague. Think of the EuroLeague as the NBA if it were to delete half it's teams.

No way.

You must understand that every single person on an NBA roster was a college stud at some point. No college team will win if everything is equal.

[Chapallaz]

No way.

You must understand that every single person on an NBA roster was a college stud at some point. No college team will win if everything is equal.


5 studs is not perse better than a well build team. Detroit has shown this in the past. The Bobcats last year, and Washington this year are extremely badly build teams.

Let me put it differently. If last year's Kentucky squad squared up against last year's Charlotte or this year's Washington, you'd be wise to put your money on the Kentucky squad.

[Timmy D for MVP]

5 studs is not perse better than a well build team. Detroit has shown this in the past. The Bobcats last year, and Washington this year are extremely badly build teams.

You didn't understand me.

EVERYONE!

So 12 studs v. MAYBE 3-4 if you're lucky. The NBA game is faster, ask any rookie just about ever. The NBA guys are more efficient, better on ball defenders, stronger, etc.

If you motivate both teams to play 100% the NBA guys will win by about 15 miles.

[Euroleague]

Underneath you'll find a list of countries in Europe. The ones which have teams participating in EuroLeague are bolded. I have listed the ratings for these countries, for as far as they've been announced. Luckily these countries are among the countries where basketball, in Europe, is most popular. For example, in The Netherlands, basketball has lost most of it's popularity. In the UK, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland abd even Germany, the basketball fans, which are few compared to Balkan countries and Spain/Turkey, tend to be more NBA orientated. In these countries, EuroLeague games, if televized, are aired on the same premium sports channels as the NBA games. The other countries don't have ratings: EuroLeague basketball is barely televised there.

The listed ratings were taken from the EuroLeague site, http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/71714/180/final-four-attracts-record-tv-audiences, which fails to list any further sources.

So, once again: there's no such thing as 'Europe' when it comes to preferences, ratings et such. The diversity here is maybe bigger than in the whole American continent!

A
Albania Pay TV
Andorra Pay TV
Armenia Not aired
Austria Not aired
Azerbaijan Not aired
B
Belarus
Belgium Free
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria Not aired
C
Croatia Pay TV
Cyprus Pay TV
Czech Republic
D
Denmark Not aired
E
Estonia Pay TV
F
Finland Pay TV
France Pay TV
G
Georgia Pay TV
Germany Pay TV
Greece 1,044,041 (15-20%)
H
Hungary Pay TV
I
Iceland Not aired
Ireland Not aired
Italy Free
K
Kosovo
L
Latvia Pay TV
Liechtenstein Not aired
Lithuania Pay TV
Luxembourg Not aired
M
Macedonia Pay TV
Malta
Moldova Not aired
Monaco Pay TV
Montenegro Pay TV
N
The Netherlands Not aired
Norway Not aired
P
Poland Pay TV
Portugal
R
Romania Pay TV
Russia
S
San Marino
Serbia Pay TV
Slovakia Not aired
Slovenia Pay TV
Spain 1,200,000 (6,5%) (Free)
Sweden Pay TV
Switzerland Not aired
T
Turkey Free
U
Ukraine Free
United Kingdom Not aired
V
Vatican City (Holy See) Free

+Israel.

As to compare the TV ratings for Euroleague finals: There are NO DEFINITIVE Audience ratings/Nielsen ratings for NBA Games in Europe. So one can not simply say they're watched more or less in Europe than EuroLeague games. You CAN however compare the ratings for the USA of the 2012 finals (11%, http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2012/06/10/nba-finals-will-surpass-an-11-nielsen-rating-as-prince-durant-faces-king-james-for-nba-throne/).

So to assume the NBA Finals would get a HIGHER rating in European countries such as Spain/Greece/Turkey etc, than the NBA Finals would get in the USA itself, would be crazy.

In countries like Spain/Greece/Turkey, the EuroLeague finals attracted more viewers than the NBA finals. That's for sure. But these countries do NOT respresent Europe as a whole.

BUT if you go to France. To the UK. To the Netherlands. To Denmark. Sweden etc. You will NOT find ANY Euroleague merchandise in the stores. Only NBA merch when it comes to basketball. In Spain you can find, for example Barcelona jerseys as well as NBA jerseys. On the streets you'll see more NBA merch than EuroLeague merch. So thats a different kind of popularity.

So in conclusion:

1. Fans here are underestimating the popularity of European basketball in SOME European countries, basically the Mediterrean area and Russia/Ukraine/Lithuania.
2. Euroleague finals got better ratings than the NBA finals in these countries.
3. For other countries it's impossible to say anything about ratings.

Across the whole of Europe, the ratings are WAY higher for Euroleague than NBA.

[Chapallaz]

You didn't understand me.

EVERYONE!

So 12 studs v. MAYBE 3-4 if you're lucky. The NBA game is faster, ask any rookie just about ever. The NBA guys are more efficient, better on ball defenders, stronger, etc.

If you motivate both teams to play 100% the NBA guys will win by about 15 miles.
You defend a current Washington team beating Callipari's Kentucky squad by using efficiency? A team where Crawford is starting? :wtf: A team where Crawford starts and Vesely is getting chances to start? For real?

[Euroleague]

Mods: please move this thread to the international forum

Thank you!

You got proven wrong and now you want the thread moved so no one can see you got proved wrong.....

:roll:

[KG215]

If I'm a moron the original dream team didn't lose to a bunch of college kids. You are underestimating the quality of a well (or read: callipari) coached college team.

Darius Miller vs Reggie Williams
Terrence Jones vs Bismack Biyombo
Doron Lamb vs Gerald Henderson
Anthony Davis vs Byron Mullens
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist vs Corey Maggette
Marquis Teague vs Kemba Walker or D.J. Augustin

:sleeping
Beat them once? Sure, maybe in 10 or 20 tries. You're severely underestimating how overmatched a team of 18-20 year olds would be against an NBA team (no matter how awful) of older, more mature players, most of whom have multiple seasons of NBA strength and conditioning training, and playing against NBA competition. On top of that, like someone has already pointed out, almost every NBA player that played DI college basketball was a stud in college.

The Kings suck ass, and they're essentially a college all-star team, just that the players are a few years older, stronger, experienced, etc.

Tyreke Evans, Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, DeMarcus Cousins, Isiah Thomas, and Marcus Thornton were All-American and/or All-Conference caliber college players. Put them on last year's Kentucky team and they're still one of the best players on that team. All the younger (and bad) NBA teams have rosters filled with former college All-American/All-Conference caliber players.

Bottomline, even last year's loaded Kentucky team would be doing good to beat last year's Bobcats once in ten tries.

[Euroleague]

If you honestly think that, then you are a moron

If you think any NCAA team could beat any Euroleague team then you are certifiably insane.

[Chapallaz]

Across the whole of Europe, the ratings are WAY higher for Euroleague than NBA.


You don't have the ratings for northern Europe, so you can't draw any conclusions about those countries. Stick to the southern European countries/Russia/Lithuania/Ukraine/Israel/Turkey.

If you want to talk about the whole of Europe, please present us the figures you've used.

[Bodhi]

5 studs is not perse better than a well build team. Detroit has shown this in the past. The Bobcats last year, and Washington this year are extremely badly build teams.

Let me put it differently. If last year's Kentucky squad squared up against last year's Charlotte or this year's Washington, you'd be wise to put your money on the Kentucky squad.

Vegas consensus is they'd be a 30 point underdog so sounds like you'd be making easy money

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/could-kentucky-beat-an-nba-team-heres-what-vegas-says/

[Chapallaz]

Beat them once? Sure, maybe in 10 or 20 tries. You're severely underestimating how overmatched a team of 18-20 year olds would be against an NBA team (no matter how awful) of older, more mature players, most of whom have multiple seasons of NBA strength and conditioning training, and playing against NBA competition. On top of that, like someone has already pointed out, almost every NBA player that played DI college basketball was a stud in college.

The Kings suck ass, and they're essentially a college all-star team, just that the players are a few years older, stronger, experienced, etc.

Tyreke Evans, Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, DeMarcus Cousins, Isiah Thomas, and Marcus Thornton were All-American and/or All-Conference caliber college players. Put them on last year's Kentucky team and they're still one of the best players on that team. All the younger (and bad) NBA teams have rosters filled with former college All-American/All-Conference caliber players.

Bottomline, even last year's loaded Kentucky team would be doing good to beat last year's Bobcats once in ten tries.

Stack the players Kentucky had last years up to Washington's current active roster or Charlotte's roster last year.

[Chapallaz]

Vegas consensus is they'd be a 30 point underdog so sounds like you'd be making easy money

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/could-kentucky-beat-an-nba-team-heres-what-vegas-says/
Thanks for sharing the link, I didnt even hear that discussion. Seems like I've got a fair point.

[Euroleague]

You don't have the ratings for northern Europe, so you can't draw any conclusions about those countries. Stick to the southern European countries/Russia/Lithuania/Ukraine/Israel/Turkey.

If you want to talk about the whole of Europe, please present us the figures you've used.

As Sakkreth said, in those countries no one is watching basketball hardly at all. The NBA isn't getting any ratings there either.

In the places where Europeans follow basketball, Euroleague gets higher ratings. That's the point.

I mean, it's impossible for NBA to match in the ratings when the games are aired on delay or at odd hours and are aired on lesser channels. It's simple common sense.

[KG215]

You defend a current Washington team beating Callipari's Kentucky squad by using efficiency? A team where Crawford is starting? :wtf: A team where Crawford starts and Vesely is getting chances to start? For real?
Jordan Crawford was a friggin' stud in college. He was a first team All-Conference performer, led Xavier to the Sweet 16, and made the All-Region team in the NCAA Tournament.

You put the college version of Jordan Crawford on last year's Kentucky team and he's probably their third best player, and is most certainly their starting SG.

And now he's 24 years old and in his third NBA season. Meaning he's three years bigger, stronger, faster, and just flatout better with more refined skills than he was in college.

[Euroleague]

Jordan Crawford was a friggin' stud in college. He was a first team All-Conference performer, led Xavier to the Sweet 16, and made the All-Region team in the NCAA Tournament.

You put the college version of Jordan Crawford on last year's Kentucky team and he's probably their third best player, and is most certainly their starting SG.

And now he's 24 years old and in his third NBA season. Meaning he's three years bigger, stronger, faster, and just flatout better with more refined skills than he was in college.

Are you saying you actually think an NCAA team could beat a Euroleague team?

[KG215]

5 studs is not perse better than a well build team. Detroit has shown this in the past. The Bobcats last year, and Washington this year are extremely badly build teams.
And they'd still beat any college 19 times out of 20, at worst. You're way, WAY off here man.


Let me put it differently. If last year's Kentucky squad squared up against last year's Charlotte or this year's Washington, you'd be wise to put your money on the Kentucky squad.
No, you'd be EXTREMELY stupid to put your money on last year's Kentucky squad. Even in a one-game scenario, but especially in a best of seven or best of five series.

[KG215]

Are you saying you actually think an NCAA team could beat a Euroleague team?
How, in the name of f***'s sake are you drawing that conclusion from that post?

[Euroleague]

How, in the name of f***'s sake are you drawing that conclusion from that post?

I didn't. I am just asking if you think that.

[no pun intended]

either prove it or shut up
Although Besiktas does participate in both Euroleague and Turkish Basketball League, Deron Williams, in fact, did not play in the Euroleague for Besiktas. Instead, he played in the Turkish Basketball League for Besiktas.

All in all, Euroleague is still a crazed troll.

[Chapallaz]

Jordan Crawford was a friggin' stud in college. He was a first team All-Conference performer, led Xavier to the Sweet 16, and made the All-Region team in the NCAA Tournament.

You put the college version of Jordan Crawford on last year's Kentucky team and he's probably their third best player, and is most certainly their starting SG.

And now he's 24 years old and in his third NBA season. Meaning he's three years bigger, stronger, faster, and just flatout better with more refined skills than he was in college.
the college version of jordan crawford is gone. you've seen him play this year? youve seen washington?

[Chapallaz]

As Sakkreth said, in those countries no one is watching basketball hardly at all. The NBA isn't getting any ratings there either.

In the places where Europeans follow basketball, Euroleague gets higher ratings. That's the point.

I mean, it's impossible for NBA to match in the ratings when the games are aired on delay or at odd hours and are aired on lesser channels. It's simple common sense.
True.

[CavaliersFTW]

I didn't. I am just asking if you think that.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oAr-EXC4o50/UK0HS6AapgI/AAAAAAAAD08/OL0jvsmti7k/s800/conventional-logiv-vs-religious-logic.jpg

[Chapallaz]

And they'd still beat any college 19 times out of 20, at worst. You're way, WAY off here man.


No, you'd be EXTREMELY stupid to put your money on last year's Kentucky squad. Even in a one-game scenario, but especially in a best of seven or best of five series.
I'd rather be considered extremely stupid but share the opinion on this with Larry Brown and Barkley, than with you.

[Bodhi]

Thanks for sharing the link, I didnt even hear that discussion. Seems like I've got a fair point.

When you consider that Miami might be favored by 12 on a neutral floor against the Bobcats your point that Kentucky would stand a chance against the Bobcats isn't so fair

If your point was that Kentucky might be able to win one out of fifty games then you'd have a fair point

[KG215]

I didn't. I am just asking if you think that.
No, for many of the same reasons they couldn't beat an NBA team. Euroleague players are very talented, skilled, GROWN MEN. I don't know exactly how the Euroleague works, how many teams are in the league or whatever, but I'd venture to say that even the bottom 5-10 teams in that league would beat a really good college team in a best of seven series.

People that claim a great college team (even one filled with future NBA 1st rounders) is better than a horrible NBA team doesn't have a good grasp of how good NBA players are; and, like I've already said, most of them were great college players themselves. And I think the same is probably true about a great college team against a Euroleague team, although I'm not real sure how bad the worst Euroleague teams are.

[KG215]

the college version of jordan crawford is gone. you've seen him play this year? youve seen washington?
Yes, and this current version of Jordan Crawford would be tearing teams a new asshole if he was playing for Xavier against fellow college players.

[KG215]

I'd rather be considered extremely stupid but share the opinion on this with Larry Brown and Barkley, than with you.
You also realize that that Kentucky team went seven deep and that seventh player is going to be a borderline first rounder (at best) by the time he's done at Kentucky, right?

The Bobcats and Wizards both have players coming off their bench that are better (right now) than some of the seven players in Kentucky's rotation last year.

[Chapallaz]

Yes, and this current version of Jordan Crawford would be tearing teams a new asshole if he was playing for Xavier against fellow college players.

No, not as long as he doesnt buy into the concept of playing as a team. He can't even buy into that concept playing alongside NBA players right now. Once again, don't underestimate a well build-well coached team playing by the book. Thats how the college kids beat that Dream Team. That's how some teams lose to European squads.

[Bodhi]

No, not as long as he doesnt buy into the concept of playing as a team. He can't even buy into that concept playing alongside NBA players right now. Once again, don't underestimate a well build-well coached team playing by the book. Thats how the college kids beat that Dream Team. That's how some teams lose to European squads.

We're talking about a serious game. Not a preseason scrimmage

[Nash]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oAr-EXC4o50/UK0HS6AapgI/AAAAAAAAD08/OL0jvsmti7k/s800/conventional-logiv-vs-religious-logic.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Thats Euroleague for ya

[KG215]

No, not as long as he doesnt buy into the concept of playing as a team. He can't even buy into that concept playing alongside NBA players right now. Once again, don't underestimate a well build-well coached team playing by the book.
You're putting WAY too much stock into the "by the book team concept" of a well coached college team. Even a bad NBA team would still be able to get by on the talent, size, and strength discrepancy alone, even if all they did was go out and take the game semi-seriously and treat it like a pick-up game.

But, in this situation, you know they're going to want to prove themselves against a bunch of college kids; so their focus would be better, the gameplans would have structure, and the players would more than likely play within the team concept.



Thats how the college kids beat that Dream Team.
You mean that scrimmage game in practice where the NBA guys didn't take anything seriously, Jordan barely played, and Daly basically admitted he threw the game? You do realize a few days later the Dream Team destroyed that same college team, right?


That's how some teams lose to European squads.
Again, you mean NBA preseason games where half the time they play all 15 guys (or however many players they carry in the preseason) and a lot of times the main/best players aren't in game shape, don't come close to matching "real" game intensity, and sometimes don't even play?

Not to mention those Euroleague teams are also better than a really good college team, for the most part. Those Euroleague teams have rosters of talented, skilled professional basketball players who are stronger and more physically mature than your typical college player.

[KG215]

First off, I've already said that a team as loaded as Kentucky last year could probably beat last year's Bobcats in a one game scenario. But no way in hell do they consistently beat them. Make it one game in Rupp Arena with college rules, then I'd probably give Kentucky a better chance of winning, though....in a one game scenario.

This argument does hold more weight, though, then when someone tries to say a great college football team could be a really bad NFL team.

Anyway...

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/can-kentucky-beat-an-n-b-a-team-calipari-doesnt-think-so/
[QUOTE=Gary Williams]

[kNicKz]

You guys name dropping kentucky's starting 5 in a "vs. NBA" scenario are aware of what a bench is, correct? Kentucky's starting 5 at their absolute best comes to like a tie with the bobcats on one of their off days until somone sits. Then its over. Kentucky's bench vs. and NBA team's bench? LOL yea you guys know hoops

[BrickingStar]

KG with the /thread also is that euroleague's alt seeing a lot of retarded posts from him.

[kNicKz]

There's no chance in HELL that last years Kentucky team beats last years bobcats. Bobcats have WAY more depth and experience than a ****ing COLLEGE team lmao , as bad as they were, damn... that's just talking reckless

[KG215]

You guys name dropping kentucky's starting 5 in a "vs. NBA" scenario are aware of what a bench is, correct? Kentucky's starting 5 at their absolute best comes to like a tie with the bobcats on one of their off days until somone sits. Then its over. Kentucky's bench vs. and NBA team's bench? LOL yea you guys know hoops
Pretty much this. And, like you said, even as good as Kentucky's starting five was last year, you put the 2012 Charlotte Bobcats in the NCAA, and let them play a college schedule, they win the national championship even more impressively than Kentucky and go undefeated in the process, barring some epic game where they shoot like 25% from the field and their opponent shoots 50% and makes 15 threes.

Kentucky's bench consisted of Darius Miller and Kyle Wiltjer. Miller, at his best, will probably be a decent 7th or 8th man on borderline playoff team; and Wiltjer might be an NBA player someday but probably not a very good one. That's it. They went seven deep and the two players on their bench would get worked over big time by the Bobcats bench.