OGT: Nov 21 Toronto Raptors (3-8) vs Charlotte Bobcats (5-4)

[Legends66NBA7]

Toronto Raptors Starting Lineup

PG - Kyle Lowry
SG - DeMar DeRozan
SF - Dominic McGuire
PF - Andrea Bargnani
C - Jonas Valanciunas

Charlotte Bobcats Starting Lineup

PG - Kemba Walker
SG - Jeffery Taylor
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF - Byron Mullens
C - Brendan Haywood

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/raptors-bobcats-preview-043601564--nba.html


With four victories in their last five games, the Charlotte Bobcats have nearly matched their win total from 2011-12.

They can already surpass last season's home win total on Wednesday night when the struggling Toronto Raptors try to avoid a fourth consecutive road loss in this series.

Since opening 1-3, the Bobcats have lost just once, 94-87 to Memphis on Saturday when they opened a four-game homestand.

Charlotte (5-4) surely wasn't expected to challenge for a playoff spot after finishing 7-59 last season and with the worst winning percentage at league history at .106, but there's no telling how successful rookie coach Mike Dunlap's team can be if it continues to play stout defense and win close games.

After ranking 27th last season with 100.9 points allowed per game, the Bobcats are holding teams to 99.0. They've limited their last five opponents to 98 or fewer -- the team's longest such stretch since an eight-game run Oct. 30-Nov. 13, 2010 -- after rallying from 11 down in the fourth quarter of Monday's 102-98 victory over Milwaukee.

The Bobcats improved to 4-2 at home and 4-0 in games decided by four or fewer points.

"They compete every night and they're not going to roll over," said Bucks swingman Mike Dunleavy. "When you do that in this league you're going to win more than seven games. They're going to blow that mark away this year obviously. They're headed in the right direction."

With a victory on Wednesday, the Bobcats will move past last season's home win total. Charlotte lost its last 14 there in 2011-12 following a 107-103 victory over the Raptors on March 17.

Exactly one month earlier, the Bobcats snapped a 16-game skid with a 98-91 victory at Toronto.

The Raptors (3-8) arrive in Charlotte following Tuesday's 106-98 loss at Philadelphia. Point guard Kyle Lowry had 13 points, seven rebounds, seven assists off the bench after missing six games with a foot injury, but Toronto was outscored 33-18 in the fourth quarter to fall to 1-5 on the road.

"We had control of the game and we've got to make basketball plays," said coach Dwane Casey, whose team is off to its worst 11-game start since opening 2-9 two years ago.

The Raptors have to get better on the defensive end. They're yielding 100.4 points per game -- 101.5 on the road -- and opponents are shooting 40.0 percent from 3-point range after the 76ers hit 9 in 24 attempts.

Bobcats guards Kemba Walker and Ramon Sessions haven't been a big threat from beyond the arc, hitting a combined 9 for 44, but they're averaging 20.2 and 17.2 points, respectively, during the 4-1 run.

Rookie Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is scoring 13.8 points per game with 7.8 rebounds during this stretch, while Byron Mullens is adding 13.0 points and a team-best 10.6 boards per game.

DeMar DeRozan and Andrea Bargnani totaled 46 points on Tuesday when the Raptors opened a stretch of 10 of 12 on the road. The two combined for 50 points in a 92-87 home win April 3 that ended a six-game slide in this series.

All of Toronto's victories have come on the second night of back-to-backs. The Raptors dropped 16 of 20 such games last season.

Game Link: http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/154550/1/watch-charlotte-bobcats-vs-toronto-raptors.html

[RoundMoundOfReb]

bobcats actually have a pretty interesting team.

toronto leads for 3 quarters get blown out in 4th and loses.

[ncrizzle]

The bobcats seem to have a very hard working team. Not the most talented, but very hard working

[Bcogswell]

toronto leads for 3 quarters get blown out in 4th and loses.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit.

[Bobcat4Ever]

We around

[Just2McFly]

If the Raps lose this one, I'm not even going to lie...I might not watch them again this season. They find the most agonizing and frustrating ways to lose then once in a while show just how talented they are. It's not like we have a roster that screams 3-8 or lottery bound, they are just disappointing in every way shape and form. We don't even need the refs biased officiating to do us in most games we just do it our selves.

[Dw1ll]

I hope Henderson comes back soon.

I like the Cats to improve to 6-4 in this one.

[Fudge]

I'm sorry but Byron Mullens has to be the ugliest player in the NBA today.

[kaiteng]

Val! :banana:

[Fudge]

I'll rephrase that, the ugliest chucker in the NBA today.

[Fudge]

I'll rephrase that again, the ugliest chucking big man in NBA history.

[kaiteng]

McGuire is showing what he can do best, filling all defensive fantasy stats.

[Fudge]

So good to see Garbnani shitting on Mullens right now.

[Dw1ll]

MKG is a monster.

[veilside23]

If the Raps lose this one, I'm not even going to lie...I might not watch them again this season. They find the most agonizing and frustrating ways to lose then once in a while show just how talented they are. It's not like we have a roster that screams 3-8 or lottery bound, they are just disappointing in every way shape and form. We don't even need the refs biased officiating to do us in most games we just do it our selves.

they drafted moe harkless thats why...


but seriously the movements they made this summer where just off... maybe tanking again i dont know



i have the cats taking this though this year cats isnt a joke anymore...

[kaiteng]

Hang in there, Val. Don't be too aggressive.

[Just2McFly]

they drafted moe harkless thats why...


but seriously the movements they made this summer where just off... maybe tanking again i dont know



i have the cats taking this though this year cats isnt a joke anymore...
We've been tanking for so long, it's getting to the point where you count up the hours spent watching them suck you begin to get disgusted.

[madmax]

Beastnani chucking them shots like there's no tomorrow:rockon:

[Dave3]

Hang in there, Val. Don't be too aggressive.
I don't understand why he'd follow his shot so aggressively when he already picked up an early foul. He knows his fouls (and stupid coaching) is the reason he doesn't play.

On another note - Lowry is a boss. Not only is he a foot shorter than Bargnani with more RPG, but he just gave Bargnani a pick...a 6 footer giving a 7 footer a pick? What kind of team are we?

[Dave3]

Yo Raptors fans - why the hell is McGuire starting? Anyone know why we're not starting our top 10 pick instead of this guy??

[Bcogswell]

Yo Raptors fans - why the hell is McGuire starting? Anyone know why we're not starting our top 10 pick instead of this guy??

Because Ross is not as "NBA ready" as we were told and Casey has a thing against rookies apparently? Plus he is a 2 not a 3 and Id rather not slide DeMar to the 3 permanently.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yo Raptors fans - why the hell is McGuire starting? Anyone know why we're not starting our top 10 pick instead of this guy??

1) Landry Fields and Alan Anderson are out for extended period of time due to injuries. McGuire is our 3rd string SF.

2) Ross is more of 2 guards backing up DeRozan, but because Casey his horrible at making rotations, Ross hardly ever sees playing time and lets the veterans get more of those minutes. Which includes playing Lowry and Calderon playing the guard spot at the same time.


At least he's getting playing time now.

[Legends66NBA7]

That's why Ross should be playing more.

:applause:

[kaiteng]

Yo Raptors fans - why the hell is McGuire starting? Anyone know why we're not starting our top 10 pick instead of this guy??
Because Alan Anderson has been hurt, and both of them are better than Landry Field.

[Dave3]

That's why Ross should be playing more.

:applause:
And even if was playing like shit, he's a rookie. Give him a chance. Even if he plays terrible 4 or 5 games in a row...he's a ROOKIE. But yeah, he looks good when we see him.

[Dave3]

Because Alan Anderson has been hurt, and both of them are better than Landry Field.
Thanks. I meant though why Ross isn't started instead of him. Who doesn't give a top 10 pick rookie a chance on a 3-8 team?

Not to mention we're 3-8 because we don't play our other rookie enough. The hell is going on?

[Dw1ll]

Jeffrey Taylor is a nice looking rookie.

[Fudge]

Jeffrey Taylor is a nice looking rookie.
:crazysam:

[Eric Cartman]

Sessions has the green light to shoot whenever the hell he wants.

[kaiteng]

Thanks. I meant though why Ross isn't started instead of him. Who doesn't give a top 10 pick rookie a chance on a 3-8 team?

Not to mention we're 3-8 because we don't play our other rookie enough. The hell is going on?
Because Casey is too old-school.

[Dave3]

I swear Val was open for like 7 seconds under the rim by himself. Sucks we couldn't get him the ball.

[Eric Cartman]

Not much inside scoring in this game. Jumpshot after jumpshot can get dull after a while.

[kaiteng]

Italians are sure awesome at flopping! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[Qwyjibo]

:oldlol: @ Kleiza and Bargnani with some awesome fast-break defense. I can't believe we have to watch both of these brainless chuckers on the floor at the same time.

[Dw1ll]

Bargnani is a scrub. Trying to check Mullens.

:lol

[Legends66NBA7]

USA Chants.

:oldlol:

[Just2McFly]

Reading posts here makes me think that if Bargs were to be traded all of the raps problems would be solved. Then I realize that it's the same posters commenting every time a Bargs is being criticized.

[Qwyjibo]

Reading posts here makes me think that if Bargs were to be traded all of the raps problems would be solved. Then I realize that it's the same posters commenting every time a Bargs is being criticized.
A lot of the problems would be solved because Bargnani being traded would mean that Colangelo is no longer a part of the Raptors. I guess the fact that he's not that good of a player doesn't hurt either.

[Dw1ll]

Lowry gets Kobe calls :lol

[kaiteng]

Lowry gets Kobe calls :lol
Just keep attacking and you will get calls. :cheers:

[Dave3]

Reading posts here makes me think that if Bargs were to be traded all of the raps problems would be solved. Then I realize that it's the same posters commenting every time a Bargs is being criticized.
It's hard to win games with a 7 footer who can neither play defense nor rebound. We're not hating, it's just frustrating to watch that's all.

[Just2McFly]

I just think it's silly to vilify a player when the whole team is broken.

[Qwyjibo]

I just think it's silly to vilify a player when the whole team is broken.
Bryan Colangelo is the main problem with the Raptors. The time and money committed to an average player like Bargnani doesn't help our feelings toward him as a player though.

[Dave3]

No one is vilifying him specifically. Calderon, Kleiza and other players are complained about as well. No one is saying he's the role reason we're bad.

[Legends66NBA7]

I just think it's silly to vilify a player when the whole team is broken.

I've always maintained that this is a management problem with the Raptors. It's been this way since the inception of the Raptors, really.

Isiah Thomas handling with Damon Stoudemire and Marcus Camby.

Glen Grunwald and Rob Babcock unable to build around Vince Carter and changed so many coaches around him.

Bryan Colangelo unable to build the right pieces with Chris Bosh and now Bargnani/Lowry/Val, etc...

[el gringos]

Reading posts here makes me think that if Bargs were to be traded all of the raps problems would be solved. Then I realize that it's the same posters commenting every time a Bargs is being criticized.
Yeah these guys hate him, think he's the reason the team is terrible, want him gone- but want a superstar package to trade him


They'll call Lowry their best player/most valuable piece. Yet want 3 times what they gave for Lowry for someone to get Bargnani

[Qwyjibo]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to el gringos again.
I guess I can wait before giving him more stupidity points.

[Just2McFly]

Yeah these guys hate him, think he's the reason the team is terrible, want him gone- but want a superstar package to trade him


They'll call Lowry their best player/most valuable piece. Yet want 3 times what they gave for Lowry for someone to get Bargnani
I don't necessarily know if that is true, but my biggest fear with Bargs is that he'll get traded. Most of the Rap fans here outside of myself and a few others will celebrate, then Bargs grows into being an All-Star level player. He has that kind of potential.

The thing that I do not like about our offense is that we aren't trying different looks for Bargs. We should be moving one of our biggest mismatches all around the floor.

[Qwyjibo]

then Bargs grows into being an All-Star level player. He has that kind of potential.
It's year 7 and the player is 27 years old! You need to totally forget about the word "potential" in this situation.

[RaininThrees]

It's year 7 and the player is 27 years old! You need to totally forget about the word "potential" in this situation.

Man, agreed.

This is who he is.

[Just2McFly]

It's year 7 and the player is 27 years old! You need to totally forget about the word "potential" in this situation.
Very valid point, always thought he was younger for some reason.

[madmax]

I guess I can wait before giving him more stupidity points.

:lol :D

[Qwyjibo]

Lowry and Valanciunas are so fun to watch and give a ray of hope to this franchise until you realize all the mediocre contracts around them that will prevent this team from adding legit talent to those two guys.

My bitterness when it comes to Colangelo knows no bounds these days.

[Just2McFly]

The Fields contract was the last straw in my opinion.

[RaininThrees]

It's year 7 and the player is 27 years old! You need to totally forget about the word "potential" in this situation.

Good article here on this subject:

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/11/20/time-to-stop-judging-raptors-andrea-bargnani-by-potential/

[QUOTE]Andrea Bargnani

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah these guys hate him, think he's the reason the team is terrible, want him gone- but want a superstar package to trade him


They'll call Lowry their best player/most valuable piece. Yet want 3 times what they gave for Lowry for someone to get Bargnani

First of all, I don't "hate" anybody on this team. Very rarely do I even "hate" on a Raptor that leaves a team.

Second, Lowry is very easily the best player on this team. Watch the games. Most valuable piece ? Maybe. Who knows what ceiling is Jonas going to give us, he's very much an instinct player right now, but I can see a lot improvements in his game. And tonight, Val his hitting mid-range jumpers... just think about what else he can possibly do once on offense when his offensive game is polished.

As for Bargnani, he is what he is now. I doubt there's anything else he can possibly give you from his game. I don't "hate" him, he just has to produce a lot more for his billing. I have high standards for him and if he can't get to that level or under performs or even worse... if he doesn't give enough effort on a night to night basis, how can you not put a lot of blame on him ? He is the franchise player, is he not ? Were not comparing him to Landry Fields here.

[RaininThrees]

Things I hate seeing: Big men working hard in the post, getting good position, then not getting the ball.

[Legends66NBA7]

That might have been the most emotion I've seen out of DeRozan.

[knickswin]

I'm kind of glad bargnani is playing like a** this season. that way if amar'e comes back and is useless, that trade is plausible.

I think it'd be a good change of scenery for both of them. amar'e would actually be a nice fit with that team.

[Qwyjibo]

I'm kind of glad bargnani is playing like a** this season. that way if amar'e comes back and is useless, that trade is plausible.
Sure. If the Knicks somehow throw in a lottery pick then yea, I'm sure they could get some team take that anchor of a contract off their hands.

[RaininThrees]

There's no better shot in basketball than a Bargnani step back fade away 21 footer.

[Just2McFly]

Haven't payed much attention to the game tonight, how has Bargs been playing as a whole?

[Dave3]

Sure. If the Knicks somehow throw in a lottery pick then yea, I'm sure they could get some team take that anchor of a contract off their hands.
What good is a pick from the Knicks? Do they have one from a lottery team this year?

Though I don't see why the Knicks would wanna do that trade.

[GoRapz]

*waits for Val to get benched the whole 4th Q despite a good game*

[knickswin]

Sure. If the Knicks somehow throw in a lottery pick then yea, I'm sure they could get some team take that anchor of a contract off their hands.

what if they just took back landry?

[Qwyjibo]

What good is a pick from the Knicks? Do they have one from a lottery team this year?

Though I don't see why the Knicks would wanna do that trade.
They don't. So no one's taking Amare's shit contract off their hands. That's my point. Amare as an asset has negative value.

[Qwyjibo]

what if they just took back landry?
Add Kleiza too and you just might have a deal.

But seriously, NY is stuck with Amare. It would take a desperate team that wants to "win now" badly and has a gaping hole at PF to move Amare.

[fsvr54]

Looks like Pargo is doing work, this kid is very talented.

[Kujo]

The 4th quarter collapse begins.

Is it just me, or does this Taylor kid on Charlotte look better than Ross?

[Just2McFly]

Are we really about to lose?

[Qwyjibo]

The Bobcats are going to regret these wins come draft time (if they win this game). This is a team that needs to tank BADLY. I'm sure they will roll out the tank towards the end of the year.

[Dw1ll]

The Raptors are horrible.

The Bobcats putting these fools away.

[Just2McFly]

Let's f*cking get this win.

[Legends66NBA7]

I would rather have Ross out there than Calderon.

[Legends66NBA7]

Let's ****ing go....

[Legends66NBA7]

How are they gonna call that a flagrant ?

:wtf:

[Qwyjibo]

Calderon makes some friggin awful decisions late in the shot clock. How do you dump the ball off to guys like Valanciunas or Derozan (yesterday) on the perimeter late in the shot clock? He's probably the best shooter on the team. Take the goddamn shot yourself.

[Kujo]

No way that's a flagrant foul. Good job by the refs reversing the call.

[Legends66NBA7]

Calderon makes some friggin awful decisions late in the shot clock. How do you dump the ball off to guys like Valanciunas or Derozan (yesterday) on the perimeter late in the shot clock? He's probably the best shooter on the team. Take the goddamn shot yourself.

And how do you not let Lowry touch the ball on that possession ?

Terrible.

[kaiteng]

Raptors need this from NBA refs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY_8woQ-HEA)

[Qwyjibo]

And how do you not let Lowry touch the ball on that possession ?

Terrible.
No kidding. Calderon should be the one playing off the ball with Lowry being the playmaker.

[kaiteng]

Val with a double-double! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[el gringos]

Sure. If the Knicks somehow throw in a lottery pick then yea, I'm sure they could get some team take that anchor of a contract off their hands.
The anchors taken off hands in this deal would be all the money Toronto saves by giving up kleiza, Amir , and Landry fields

So wouldn't take amare- wouldn't take Ryan Anderson, Shawn Marion, and collison- what would you take? Really, a draft pick?

[Kujo]

Not sure why Charlotte is jacking up 3's. Way too early for that.

I think we got this one.

[GoRapz]

Val :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kaiteng]

Let Valenciunas play and Raptors will win..... probably.

[Dave3]

Rookie gets some playing time....16/10 on 7-10 shooting.

[Qwyjibo]

Charlotte has a brutal collection of talent. They bad need MKG to pan out and strike gold in the upcoming draft. That is a mess of a roster. At least it seems like their ownership understands that they need to be bad first because they can have any hope of long-term success.

[Legends66NBA7]

No kidding. Calderon should be the one playing off the ball with Lowry being the playmaker.

Exactly. When Lowry drives to the basket, the Raptors are getting much better looks. That adds to Calderon's shooting strength, off the ball.

Now he did jack a bad shot just now, but he will probably still make better decisions down the stretch.

[kaiteng]

Raps games sure end up like this many times this season.

[IGotACoolStory]

DAT Cats championship level defense.

[Qwyjibo]

:oldlol: listening to the Raptors telecast.

"Hacked! Contact! Hacked again!"

STFU you bumbling morons.

[kaiteng]

7 secs left, 1 point behind, Raptors' ball!

[kaiteng]

:oldlol: listening to the Raptors telecast.

"Hacked! Contact! Hacked again!"

STFU you bumbling morons.
Matt Devlin sure tries very hard to be a homer.

[Qwyjibo]

http://courtsurfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Bryan-Colangelo-500x374.jpg

[RaininThrees]

RaptLOLrS

[IGotACoolStory]

DAT Cats championship level defense.

Again!

Bobcats are just missing one alpha on their team. Wait until they get Wiggins. Championship in the next 5 seasons.

[kaiteng]

****ing refs ruin Raptors another game!! :mad: :banghead: :mad: :banghead: :mad: :banghead:

[Prodigy]

:oldlol: listening to the Raptors telecast.

"Hacked! Contact! Hacked again!"

STFU you bumbling morons.

A couple of those were definately fouls.

[kaiteng]

Bargnani did take a contact on that last shot! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Quizno]

LMFAOOOOOO @ the raptors announcers :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[GoRapz]

:oldlol: listening to the Raptors telecast.

"Hacked! Contact! Hacked again!"

STFU you bumbling morons.

What? they were definitely hacked

[RaininThrees]

****ing Raptors ruin Raptors another game!! :mad: :banghead: :mad: :banghead: :mad: :banghead:

Fixed that up for ya.

Shouldn't have come down to that.

[Legends66NBA7]

There were fouls that should have been called, but what can you do ?

Move on to the next one.

[kaiteng]

NBA REFS, GIVE US THIS ALREADY!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0)

[Dw1ll]

Cats Win Cats Win Cats Win!

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Qwyjibo]

I think I hate Matt Devlin more than Leo. Didn't think that would be possible but I'll take Leo's smugness over Matt's cartoonish attempts at being a fun homer.

How I grade them:
Jack Armstrong = 3/10
Leo Rautins = 1/10
Matt Devlin = 0.5/10

Purge these guys from the organization too.

[RaininThrees]

I think I hate Matt Devlin more than Leo. Didn't think that would be possible but I'll take Leo's smugness over Matt's cartoonish attempts at being a fun homer.

How I grade them:
Jack Armstrong = 3/10
Leo Rautins = 1/10
Matt Devlin = 0.5/10

No one trash talks Jack.

No one.

[kaiteng]

Fixed that up for ya.

Shouldn't have come down to that.
Yeah, but at this point, with this roster, Raptors games will end up like this very often. Refs do affect their results.

[RaininThrees]

Yeah, but at this point, with this roster, Raptors games will end up like this very often. Refs do affect their results.

Yeah, I guess... but that they have to lean so heavily on the refs in the outcome of their games says a whole lot.

Take care of your own business and let the rest take care of itself, I say.

[Kujo]

Charlotte has a brutal collection of talent. They bad need MKG to pan out and strike gold in the upcoming draft. That is a mess of a roster. At least it seems like their ownership understands that they need to be bad first because they can have any hope of long-term success.


Well, Gordan's contract comes off the books after next season. I like Kemba, MGK, Biyombo, and Mullens a lot. Henderson is a nice piece as well. Taylor looks like he's going to be a solid role player. Sessions is solid, and still young. I think they have a nice mix of vets, and youngin's. I like they're roster a lot more than ours. I'll say that much.

They look like they'll be competitive all year.

[Qwyjibo]

Mullens is brutal. He's more of a brainless chucker than Bargnani. Kemba looks better than I thought he would be but I still don't see him being anything more than a solid rotation player in the NBA. Much like Derozan. MKG is still very young and raw. Seems like a smart player but needs to develop some actual skills.

[Legends66NBA7]

I think I hate Matt Devlin more than Leo. Didn't think that would be possible but I'll take Leo's smugness over Matt's cartoonish attempts at being a fun homer.

How I grade them:
Jack Armstrong = 3/10
Leo Rautins = 1/10
Matt Devlin = 0.5/10

Purge these guys from the organization too.

How would you grade Chuck, when he was still here ?

:D

[Qwyjibo]

How would you grade Chuck, when he was still here ?

:D
I liked Chuck early on but towards the end he was becoming what Devlin is now. Nothing more than a silly cartoon.

[Dw1ll]

Bobcats = 8th seed.

:bowdown:

[Kujo]

Mullens is brutal. He's more of a brainless chucker than Bargnani. Kemba looks better than I thought he would be but I still don't see him being anything more than a solid rotation player in the NBA. Much like Derozan. MKG is still very young and raw. Seems like a smart player but needs to develop some actual skills.


Mullen's is average 9 boards a game. His FG% is awful, but at least he rebounds.

I do think Charlotte is overachieving, and they'll come back down to earth at some point. That being said, they're no longer that laughing stock of the league.

As both rosters stand as is, Charlotte has a way bigger upside than us. Never thought I'd say that after last season.

[Just2McFly]

Done with this bullshit.

[Qwyjibo]

As both rosters stand as is, Charlotte has a way bigger upside than us. Never thought I'd say that after last season.
I don't know about that. It's close.

They don't have anyone near as good as Lowry. And personally, there isn't a single player on Charlotte I'd take for the long-run over Valanciunas. Charlotte should have much better management with Rich Cho as long as their ownership stays patient and lets him do a proper rebuild.

[And 1]

Yeah, I guess... but that they have to lean so heavily on the refs in the outcome of their games says a whole lot.

Take care of your own business and let the rest take care of itself, I say.

Although we need to greatly improve on closing out games (understatement), all the Raptors need is for the refs to make the calls they should be making.

If we continue to lose out on key free throws like today, it will start to feel like playing with a handicap. :banghead: Either that or I'm just really butthurt :mad:

[Quizno]

I don't know about that. It's close.

They don't have anyone near as good as Lowry. And personally, there isn't a single player on Charlotte I'd take for the long-run over Valanciunas. Charlotte should have much better management with Rich Cho as long as their ownership stays patient and lets him do a proper rebuild.
i'd take MKG, kemba, and henderson long term over valanciunas and maybe biyombo as well. lowry's a pretty good player but he's not getting any better and he's only a little bit better than kemba right now and kemba has tons of potential

[Qwyjibo]

i'd take MKG, kemba, and henderson long term over valanciunas and maybe biyombo as well.
You sir are absolutely insane.

I could see an argument being made for MKG's potential over Val. Kemba? No. Henderson?? Are you out of your mind?