can you imagine Lebron having a losing record with Gasol and Howard?

[Derivative]

not a knock on Kobe, who is a great individual player and played great this season, but he's just not as a good leader as lebron, and does not make players around him better

if lebron had a top 5 PF in the league along with the best center in the league, there's no doubt that he would become a dynasty

[swag2011]

1. Kobe is 34, out of his prime.
2. How does Kobe not make his teammates better when PLENTY (including Shaq, Pau, Odom among others) have had career seasons playing next to him?

[rhythmic]

He was like 8-7 with Bosh and Wade in 2010. :rolleyes:

[Derivative]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[bluechox2]

in before 10 game winning streak

[shortsoptional]

gasol > bosh
howard > dwade

next

I think his point was that even when you place high caliber players together, it can take more than 10 games for them to gain chemistry.

Nobody truly thinks that the Lakers will have a losing record when the season is over.

[GovernmentMan]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[tmacattack33]

It's still early...Howard doesn't look good at all even tho we were told that his injury was not something that would have a long term effect on him.

[Derivative]

1. Kobe is 34, out of his prime.
2. How does Kobe not make his teammates better when PLENTY (including Shaq, Pau, Odom among others) have had career seasons playing next to him?

have you ever heard of correlation =/= causation?

shaq, pau, and odom had career seasons with kobe because they were at their prime age, and were suppose to peak regardless of who the play with.

your logic is same as saying kobe having a peak season in 2006 is caused by playing next to smush parker

[2010splash]

Gasol > Bosh?:roll: Howard > Wade?:roll: Stop it, this is too much!

Bosh = Gasol. Wade = Howard. Back in 2010, Wade was the second best player in the league, not Howard. Miami started out a pathetic 9-8.

I wish we could bump all these silly overreaction threads in June when the Lakers are in the Finals.

[oh the horror]

I dont know why people even bother with threads like this.


The OP has alternative accounts, agreeing with himself in this very thread.


Basically anything you say, he will disagree with.


The whole...."this isnt a knock on Kobe".....is BS.



Lets just call it like it is.

[Graviton]

gasol > bosh
howard > dwade

next
Dude are you retarded? Current Gasol can't even sniff Bosh's anus. He is soft and unmotivated. Bosh is a legit Top 3 PF, Gasol is barely Top 10.

Howard has been playing with little effort and is still not 100%. Lebron wouldn't do much better with this terrible bench and defense. Kicking it out to Artest, Morris, Meeks, Jamison is a lot different than Battier, Miller, Allen, Lewis and Chalmers. On top of that Gasoft's defense would frustrate Lebron, Bosh is actually a quick and smart defender.

[Derivative]

Gasol > Bosh?:roll: Howard > Wade?:roll: Stop it, this is too much!

Bosh = Gasol. Wade = Howard. Back in 2010, Wade was the second best player in the league, not Howard. Miami started out a pathetic 9-8.

I wish we could bump all these silly overreaction threads in June when the Lakers are in the Finals.

back in 2010 gasol >>>>>> bosh

and you always want an elite bigman perenial defensive player of the year over an elite wing player who is injury prone

[I<3NBA]

no. but i can imagine Kobe not winning anything and ending up ring-less if he had the teams of AI.

[Derivative]

Dude are you retarded? Current Gasol can't even sniff Bosh's anus. He is soft and unmotivated. Bosh is a legit Top 3 PF, Gasol is barely Top 10.

Howard has been playing with little effort and is still not 100%. Lebron wouldn't do much better with this terrible bench and defense. Kicking it out to Artest, Morris, Meeks, Jamison is a lot different than Battier, Miller, Allen, Lewis and Chalmers. On top of that Gasoft's defense would frustrate Lebron, Bosh is actually a quick and smart defender.

this is why kobe is a bad leader, he can't even motivate his teammates to play hard. you never see lack of effort problems with lebron's teammates, which you see often with the lakers

also i bet if miami trades bosh for gasol, you wouldn't be happy. the only thing bosh has over gasol is jumpshooting, everything else gasol is much better at

[GovernmentMan]

Dude are you retarded? Current Gasol can't even sniff Bosh's anus. He is soft and unmotivated. Bosh is a legit Top 3 PF, Gasol is barely Top 10.

Howard has been playing with little effort and is still not 100%. Lebron wouldn't do much better with this terrible bench and defense. Kicking it out to Artest, Morris, Meeks, Jamison is a lot different than Battier, Miller, Allen, Lewis and Chalmers. On top of that Gasoft's defense would frustrate Lebron, Bosh is actually a quick and smart defender.

Miami had no center. Kobe has a dominant front court. Best center in the league and one of the most skilled PF

[Rubio2Gasol]

They look absolutely incompetent without him on the floor. Howard should be ashamed.

[Magic 32]

this is why kobe is a bad leader, he can't even motivate his teammates to play hard. you never see lack of effort problems with lebron's teammates, which you see often with the lakers

also i bet if miami trades bosh for gasol, you wouldn't be happy. the only thing bosh has over gasol is jumpshooting, everything else gasol is much better at

you suck at trolling.

[Derivative]

you suck at trolling.

you suck at logic

[rhythmic]

back in 2010 gasol >>>>>> bosh

and you always want an elite bigman perenial defensive player of the year over an elite wing player who is injury prone

What does 2010 Pau Gasol has to do with this discussion?
We're talking about Pau right now, aren't we? :oldlol:

Howard coming of surgery and current Gasol is inferior to 2010 Wade & Bosh, some of you aren't revisionists eh? :hammerhead:

[chazzy]

Best new poster, always delivering quality threads

[kennethgriffin]

ummm... kobes playing great. hes playing better than lebron

27/6/5 on 55%/40%/90%

this thread is full of idiots. this is why ISH is the last resort of all basketball forums. i'm only here cause i'm banned everywhere else

:facepalm

fml this is getting embarrassing

[rhythmic]

Best new poster, always delivering quality threads

Who? Derivative?

[Graviton]

this is why kobe is a bad leader, he can't even motivate his teammates to play hard. you never see lack of effort problems with lebron's teammates, which you see often with the lakers

also i bet if miami trades bosh for gasol, you wouldn't be happy. the only thing bosh has over gasol is jumpshooting, everything else gasol is much better at
Oh yes please trade 27 year old Bosh that's averaging 20/7 on 55% and 25 PER for 32 year old Gasol averaging 14/10 on 43% and 17 PER. You would be a retard, Bosh is the better scorer, better shooter, better defender and is quicker, younger and in his prime.

Riley would hang up the phone before you could say Pau. Bosh is playing like a Top 3 PF/Center as a 3rd option lol. Gasol is just vanishing every other game. Get the **** outta here with your bullshit, Bosh is a mentally strong player that stepped up last 2 playoffs while Gasol completely crumbled under pressure past 2 years like a softie.

But yea, I am sure you want Gasol over Bosh.

[DeuceWallaces]

No I can't, even if he was 40.

[I.R.Beast]

this is why kobe is a bad leader, he can't even motivate his teammates to play hard. you never see lack of effort problems with lebron's teammates, which you see often with the lakers

also i bet if miami trades bosh for gasol, you wouldn't be happy. the only thing bosh has over gasol is jumpshooting, everything else gasol is much better at
that would explain why lebron had to break rules against collusion to create a superteam just to get a ring...stfu

[Graviton]

Last 5 games...

Bosh - 19/10 on 58%FG and 85% from free throw line + good defense
Gasoft - 13/9 on 45%FG and 65% from free throw line + terrible defense

Gasol can't sniff Bosh's ********.

[fpliii]

ummm... kobes playing great. hes playing better than lebron

27/6/5 on 55%/40%/90%

this thread is full of idiots. this is why ISH is the last resort of all basketball forums. i'm only here cause i'm banned everywhere else

:facepalm

fml this is getting embarrassing

pretty select company...he could join Larry Bird in the elite 25/5/5 on 50/40/90 club (Bird pulled it off it in 86-87 and 87-88)

here's everyone who's been close (http://bkref.com/tiny/b8wuI)

[SyRyanYang]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[KOBE143]

Kobe carrying Gasol already has 2 rings and counting

while Bosh carrying LeBron only has .5 ring..

[pnyozzzoo]

In Lebron's 17th season, 12 games in with a major overhaul in startung line up. Sure, why not.

[All Net]

Season isn't over and yeah Lebron started 8-7 himself with Wade and Bosh. In fairness Lebron has always had shooters to spread the floor.

[ILLsmak]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[SyRyanYang]

Well for starter, I won't call 6-6 a losing record:hammerhead:

[Rysio]

well if lebrick would turn howard into a jump shooter just like he does to all his teammates, yea i can see him having a losing record.

[ripthekik]

back in 2010 gasol >>>>>> bosh

and you always want an elite bigman perenial defensive player of the year over an elite wing player who is injury prone
Aren't you trying to compare the current Lakers with the 2011 Heat? So what's the point of bringing up 2010 Gasol?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kid, come back next time when you got your arguments set straight, alright?

And troll account.

[White Mamba]

well if lebrick would turn howard into a jump shooter just like he does to all his teammates, yea i can see him having a losing record.
:applause:

[arifgokcen]

No i dont imagine lebron having a losing record with any team let alone howard-gasol tandem in the league but then again i had never imagined lebron would join the heat or after demolishing every eastern conference opponent faltering the way he did against dallas or being 9-8 either after 17 games.

[2010splash]

back in 2010 gasol >>>>>> bosh

and you always want an elite bigman perenial defensive player of the year over an elite wing player who is injury prone
Nah. The consensus at the time was that Bosh and Gasol were virtually even as players. Same with Wade and Dwight, though most had Wade slightly above Dwight.

But that's totally beside the point. The Lakers will have a winning record and they will reach the Finals as expected. The same overreactions/premature judgements were used against teams like the 2008 Celtics when they got taken to 7 games by their first and second round opponents and 2011 Heat when they started out the first 2 weeks barely above .500.

[Math2]

Yes, I very well can see LeBron having a losing record with Howard and Gasol.

[longtime lurker]

not a knock on Kobe, who is a great individual player and played great this season, but he's just not as a good leader as lebron, and does not make players around him better

if lebron had a top 5 PF in the league along with the best center in the league, there's no doubt that he would become a dynasty

How is this idiot not banned yet?

[madmax]

Lebron and Howard together on the same team would already mean doom and gloom for the rest of the league...adding the most skilled PF in the game and seasoned solid role players would mean coasting to the rings for Lakers in the next few years - that's how great Bron is:applause: Actually Lebron would make any team in the league contenders instantly, as he has already shown with those inept Cavs rosters. Kobrick could never sniff Lebron's impact on the court no matter how pretty his jumsphot looks to his tards:cheers:

[lilgodfather1]

I thought 6-6 was a .500 record, but that's not the point I guess...

As stated the Heat weren't much better in 2010, but there are massive differences between that Heat team, and this Lakers one.

1) Age - Heat were young, in their primes. Lakers are old, out of their primes.

2) Experience - Two of the Lakers three top players (Kobe/Gasol) have experience playing together for a long time. The Heat had no experience playing together. They just kind of threw themselves together, and hoped it would work.

3) Injuries - The Lakers ARE INJURED atm, the Heat were healthy.

I'm not trying to knock either team, and seriously if at the end of the year the Lakers are 41-41 then I will never post here again. I am pretty confident that they will not be .500 or have a losing record at the end of the year, unless of course they have major injuries... If they have major injuries then honestly two of their top 4 should be enough to get them into the playoffs Kobe/Dwight, Kobe/Gasol, Dwight/Gasol, Nash/Dwight, Nash/Gasol, and Nash/Kobe would, or should be enough to get them above .500 at the end of the year imo.

[lilgodfather1]

Lebron and Howard together on the same team would already mean doom and gloom for the rest of the league...adding the most skilled PF in the game and seasoned solid role players would mean coasting to the rings for Lakers in the next few years - that's how great Bron is:applause: Actually Lebron would make any team in the league contenders instantly, as he has already shown with those inept Cavs rosters. Kobrick could never sniff Lebron's impact on the court no matter how pretty his jumsphot looks to his tards:cheers:
LeBron is better than Kobe ever was, but it's not like Kobe is some scrub... You really think that LeBron on the Wizards is a title contender? What about LeBron on the current Cavs, or LeBron on the Kings. No they're not title contenders, they are second round fodder.

[Lebron23]

I think Pau Gasol needs to go. Lakers needs a strech 4 ala Tim Thomas, Rashard Lewis, and Ryan Anderson. Once Nash return from his injuries. He's gonna be the focal point of the Lakers offense.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe carrying Gasol already has 2 rings and counting

while Bosh carrying LeBron only has .5 ring..

u win in the playoffs or in the regular season?

if the playoffs then wasnt it still a 4-7 game format?

[Lebron23]

u win in the playoffs or in the regular season?

if the playoffs then wasnt it still a 4-7 game format?


That guy is an idiot.

[lilgodfather1]

u win in the playoffs or in the regular season?

if the playoffs then wasnt it still a 4-7 game format?
I think he meant to say LeBron carried Bosh to his .5 ring, since you know Bosh missed almost half of the playoffs...

[lilgodfather1]

I think Pau Gasol needs to go. Lakers needs a strech 4 ala Tim Thomas, Rashard Lewis, and Ryan Anderson. Once Nash return from his injuries. He's gonna be the focal point of the Lakers offense.
What the Lakers really need is Nash back, and a stretch three ala Kyle Korver, not Ron Artest.

[EMERE]

LeBron is better than Kobe ever was, but it's not like Kobe is some scrub... You really think that LeBron on the Wizards is a title contender? What about LeBron on the current Cavs, or LeBron on the Kings. No they're not title contenders, they are second round fodder.It's idiots like you that have kept me away from this forum, "Lebron is better than Kobe ever was":oldlol:

[ripthekik]

LeBron and Dwight would be the best duo in the NBA. LeBron is a very unselfish player. He already won a Finals MVP at the age of 27 yrs.old. By the end of this season he will be a top 7-8 player of all time.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Whoah10115]

LOL at anyone needing something "ala" Tim Thomas :roll:




Lebron and Howard together on the same team would already mean doom and gloom for the rest of the league...adding the most skilled PF in the game and seasoned solid role players would mean coasting to the rings for Lakers in the next few years - that's how great Bron is:applause: Actually Lebron would make any team in the league contenders instantly, as he has already shown with those inept Cavs rosters. Kobrick could never sniff Lebron's impact on the court no matter how pretty his jumsphot looks to his tards:cheers:



How can anyone type so coherently with a dick in their mouth?

[DJ Leon Smith]

1. Kobe is 34, out of his prime.
2. How does Kobe not make his teammates better when PLENTY (including Shaq, Pau, Odom among others) have had career seasons playing next to him?

Yes, lucky that Kobe got Shaq those three NBA Finals MVPs.

Swag.

P.S. Hey remember that time when Kobe wanted to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd instead of Dwight Howard and when he let the Celtics come back from 24 points down in the first half of the NBA Finals at home and when he lost a deciding NBA Finals game by 39 points? GOAT.

[Bandito]

Yes, lucky that Kobe got Shaq those three NBA Finals MVPs.

Swag.

P.S. Hey remember that time when Kobe wanted to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd instead of Dwight Howard and when he let the Celtics come back from 24 points down in the first half of the NBA Finals at home and when he lost a deciding NBA Finals game by 39 points? GOAT.
I don't remember Shaq winning any Finals Mvp without Kobe on his so called team did he? Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq don't forget that.

Also Bynum didn't do jack sh1t for those championship Lakers, if they did trade for Jason Kidd maybe they could've had 3 championships instead of 2 because Bynum wasn't there for two of them and the Lakers weakness all those years was the pg play.

[asdf1990]

It's idiots like you that have kept me away from this forum, "Lebron is better than Kobe ever was":oldlol:

that's pretty much a fact now, unless you have been living under a rock for the past 6 years. So go back to living under your rock and away from this forums.

[DJ Leon Smith]

I don't remember Shaq winning any Finals Mvp without Kobe on his so called team did he? Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq don't forget that.

Also Bynum didn't do jack sh1t for those championship Lakers, if they did trade for Jason Kidd maybe they could've had 3 championships instead of 2 because Bynum wasn't there for two of them and the Lakers weakness all those years was the pg play.

I don't remember Kobe winning a title without Derek Fisher on his "so called" team (your words). Point?

And if you think Jason Kidd would be a good PG in the triangle and playing beside Kobe, I've already won this argument. Next.

P.S. Maybe if Kobe passed the ball in 2004 instead of jacking up shots he might have had FOUR championships instead of THREE at the time (not three instead of four. Check facts before replying next time).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html

[Vertical-24]

I don't remember Kobe winning a title without Derek Fisher on his "so called" team (your words). Point?

And if you think Jason Kidd would be a good PG in the triangle and playing beside Kobe, I've already won this argument. Next.

P.S. Maybe if Kobe passed the ball in 2004 instead of jacking up shots he might have had FOUR championships instead of THREE at the time (not three instead of four. Check facts before replying next time).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html

May the hate continue to course through your veins :bowdown:

[DJ Leon Smith]

May the hate continue to course through your veins :bowdown:

What hate? Please break down what I've said and prove me wrong. I rate Kobe above LeBron. It's just that Kobe fanboys can't admit to one flaw in his game and have to bring down everyone who played with him and make excuses for every flaw/mistake in his career to try to elevate his game.

Then I remember this is the insidehoops forums, where the average IQ is 50. Hi Jeff.

[swi7ch]

LBJ didn't even have a losing record with f*cking Mo Williams as the #2 guy!!!

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I think his point was that even when you place high caliber players together, it can take more than 10 games for them to gain chemistry.

Nobody truly thinks that the Lakers will have a losing record when the season is over.
this.

[ihoopallday]

LeBron has never played with an elite big man like Dwight. Shaq was going downhill when he went to Cleveland. However, Kobe has and won multiple championships with big men. I think Kobe is a better fit with Dwight than LeBron would be.

[Duncan21formvp]

Dallas in 2007 started the season 0-4 and went 67-15

[gilalizard]

No, the refs would prop LeBron up.

[KG215]

LBJ didn't even have a losing record with f*cking Mo Williams as the #2 guy!!!
I'm pretty sure those seasons were also longer than 12 games.

[longtime lurker]

OP sucks at math I never knew 6-6 is a losing record. He would look like less of an idiot if the big 3 weren't 9-8 at one point.

Oh and :oldlol: at Lebron being better than Kobe ever was. It's like posters don't even think anymore just spew out bullshit

[Mr. Jabbar]

not a knock on Kobe, who is a great individual player and played great this season, but he's just not as a good leader as lebron, and does not make players around him better

if lebron had a top 5 PF in the league along with the best center in the league, there's no doubt that he would become a dynasty

are you aware your hero (in his prime) single handedly denied the most stacked team ever the nba title by literally dissapearing in the finals? oh, before I forget, its not a knock on lebron, who is a great individual player..

[KG215]

Oh and :oldlol: at Lebron being better than Kobe ever was. It's like posters don't even think anymore just spew out bullshit
While I agree it's stupid to just claim LeBron has been or is better than Kobe ever was, at the very least it's debatable that LeBron (since about 2009) has been as good or better than Kobe was from about 2005-2009/10.

[The-Legend-24]

Prime Kobe would've never started off 9-8 with prime f*cking D-wade and Bosh, or get outplayed by a bench player in the finals.

:oldlol:

[lilgodfather1]

are you aware your hero (in his prime) single handedly denied the most stacked team ever the nba title by literally dissapearing in the finals? oh, before I forget, its not a knock on lebron, who is a great individual player..
The Heat are the most stacked team ever? Lol yeah let's just pretend that Bill Russell didn't play with a dozen HOFers in his career, and Magic didn't play with another top 5 player of all time, James Worthy AND Byron Scott...

Let's also pretend that the Lakers don't have 4 allstars this year...

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The Heat are the most stacked team ever? Lol yeah let's just pretend that Bill Russell didn't play with a dozen HOFers in his career, and Magic didn't play with another top 5 player of all time, James Worthy AND Byron Scott...

Let's also pretend that the Lakers don't have 4 allstars this year...

Dwight Howard projects as Kobe's likely only all star teammate this year. Kobe hasn't had more than one all star teammate per team since 1998. :confusedshrug:

[secund2nun]

are you aware your hero (in his prime) single handedly denied the most stacked team ever the nba title by literally dissapearing in the finals? oh, before I forget, its not a knock on lebron, who is a great individual player..


Cough....2004 NBA finals lakers vs pistons.....

[Reverend Hoops]

I think Pau Gasol needs to go. Lakers needs a strech 4 ala Tim Thomas, Rashard Lewis, and Ryan Anderson. Once Nash return from his injuries. He's gonna be the focal point of the Lakers offense.

http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/timthomaspho1.jpg

BRING HIM HOME ANTONI

[KG215]

Dwight Howard projects as Kobe's likely only all star teammate this year. Kobe hasn't had more than one all star teammate per team since 1998. :confusedshrug:
This and DRtg are basically the only two things you ever post. Your agenda couldn't be any more obvious. And I know you'll say "what agenda? I'm just posting the truth", but when you say the same type of things over and over it starts to become pretty obvious.

Guess what, if Kobe goes on to win a championship this year no one is going to be singing his praises because he did it with just one All-Star teammate when he also had Pau Gasol and Steve Nash on his team.

[imdaman99]

lebron has taken 2 perennial all stars and turned them into role players. basically he has turned bosh into anderson verajao and wade into ... i dont even know. in other words, his 2 star teammates do not look like stars anymore, while he has taken off. in other words, he stat hogs just like he did in cleveland. good for him, but makes the rest of the team look like ass. its whatever though, cuz they won a championship.

gasol and howards stats would decline like crazy if they ever played with lebron. but like wade and bosh who sacrificed stats to team up with a stat whore, they chose a better shot at the championship. just like gasol did with his 2 rings. howard, who knows what he sacrificed.

[All Net]

While I agree it's stupid to just claim LeBron has been or is better than Kobe ever was, at the very least it's debatable that LeBron (since about 2009) has been as good or better than Kobe was from about 2005-2009/10.

Like it or not Lebron if he wins it all this season will likely be considered higher in the all-time rankings in alot of people's rankings.

[Lebron23]

Like it or not Lebron if he wins it all this season will likely be considered higher in the all-time rankings in alot of people's rankings.

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[KG215]

Like it or not Lebron if he wins it all this season will likely be considered higher in the all-time rankings in alot of people's rankings.
And they'd probably have a case, especially if his playoff run is close to being as dominant and impressive as his 2012 playoff run. I personally think he needs more than two rings, though.

[All Net]

And they'd probably have a case, especially if his playoff run is close to being as dominant and impressive as his 2012 playoff run. I personally think he needs more than two rings, though.

I think like you say it depends on his numbers and what guys like Wade do produce. I think these days It's how you win the titles more than anything else in these all-time rankings.

[JellyBean]

Hmmm yeah. There are many things that can effect a team's start at the beginning of the season. Let's say Lebron had Gasol and Howard, you gotta factor in a new offensive system, injuries, and team chemistry. If they can figure out the offensive system, then they have to figure out touches. If they get the system down and how many touches each will get, then they have to look at floor spacing, where a person likes the ball. So I can see Lebron having a losing record if he were to have Gasol and Howard. You don't want it but it can happen.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

This and DRtg are basically the only two things you ever post. Your agenda couldn't be any more obvious. And I know you'll say "what agenda? I'm just posting the truth", but when you say the same type of things over and over it starts to become pretty obvious.

Guess what, if Kobe goes on to win a championship this year no one is going to be singing his praises because he did it with just one All-Star teammate when he also had Pau Gasol and Steve Nash on his team.

Once again my agenda is to expose myths with the light of reality. The myth is Kobe's teams are historically stacked. The truth is none of Kobe's 5 title teams featured a 3rd all star or Hall of Famer. :confusedshrug:

I'm sure people will always pretend Pau Gasol is currently something what he isn't anymore right now or that Steve Nash hasn't been on the sidelines all season but the simple truth of the matter is neither of them are likely to make the all star team this year causing the unfortunate streak of 1 to 0 all star teammates for Kobe to continue.

[Bandito]

Once again my agenda is to expose myths with the light of reality. The myth is Kobe's teams are historically stacked. The truth is none of Kobe's 5 title teams featured a 3rd all star or Hall of Famer. :confusedshrug:

I'm sure people will always pretend Pau Gasol is currently something what he isn't anymore right now or that Steve Nash hasn't been on the sidelines all season but the simple truth of the matter is neither of them are likely to make the all star team this year causing the unfortunate streak of 1 to 0 all star teammates for Kobe to continue.
What about when they were saying Kobe had Bynum and Gasol as a star Front tandem :lol.

[asdf1990]

Prime Kobe would've never started off 9-8 with prime f*cking D-wade and Bosh, or get outplayed by a bench player in the finals.

:oldlol:

prime kobe was to busy not making the playoff and losing in the first round when he did make it. Prime kobe also cost the most stacked team in NBA history a ring in 2004. He was also pretty busy quitting on his team and not shaking the other teams hand when losing.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

What about when they were saying Kobe had Bynum and Gasol as a star Front tandem :lol.

Andrew Bynum's roughly 7 pts and 5 rebs a playoff game over the course of two championship runs are the most hyped in history no doubt.

[longtime lurker]

I don't know why the mods just don't delete threads like this. It's 13 frickin games maybe these idiots should start talking shit when the Lakers actually finish the season with a losing record.

[KG215]

Once again my agenda is to expose myths with the light of reality. The myth is Kobe's teams are historically stacked. The truth is none of Kobe's 5 title teams featured a 3rd all star or Hall of Famer. :confusedshrug:

:facepalm

Can't decide who's worse between you, kennethgriffin, and AlphaWolf.

[LBJ 23]

lebron has taken 2 perennial all stars and turned them into role players. basically he has turned bosh into anderson verajao and wade into ... i dont even know. in other words, his 2 star teammates do not look like stars anymore, while he has taken off. in other words, he stat hogs just like he did in cleveland. good for him, but makes the rest of the team look like ass. its whatever though, cuz they won a championship.



Excatly.

Just like in Cleveland where he was statpadding and turning his great teammates into empty air. Just look at what Cleveland was before Lebron joined them and after he left, they were doing so much better without him, especially last year Lebron's departure really payed off for Cavs. Not to mention what a dominant player Mo Williams was before he started playing with Lebron and after they were no longer teammates. Lebron really turned him into role player or even worse during their time together.

[asdf1990]

Excatly.

Just like in Cleveland where he was statpadding and turning his great teammates into empty air. Just look at what Cleveland was before Lebron joined them and after he left, they were doing so much better without him, especially last year Lebron's departure really payed off for Cavs. Not to mention what a dominant player Mo Williams was before he started playing with Lebron and after they were no longer teammates. Lebron really turned him into role player or even worse during their time together.

bro don't you know mo williams was better than any teammate kobe has had over his 17 year career. Mo willaims> prime shaq, only if lebron didn't turn that beast into a role player.

[BrickingStar]

lebron has taken 2 perennial all stars and turned them into role players. basically he has turned bosh into anderson verajao and wade into ... i dont even know. in other words, his 2 star teammates do not look like stars anymore, while he has taken off. in other words, he stat hogs just like he did in cleveland. good for him, but makes the rest of the team look like ass. its whatever though, cuz they won a championship.

gasol and howards stats would decline like crazy if they ever played with lebron. but like wade and bosh who sacrificed stats to team up with a stat whore, they chose a better shot at the championship. just like gasol did with his 2 rings. howard, who knows what he sacrificed.
How is bosh not a perrennial all star right now? He is having one of the best seasons in his entire career and wade has clearly decline and of course they would drop in stats if they aren't the number 1 on their team.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

:facepalm

Can't decide who's worse between you, kennethgriffin, and AlphaWolf.

The worst at what. Posting facts? Why do you always debate the poster instead of the content of the post? I could be the biggest scumbag on the planet or Jesus reincarnated that doesn't change the merit of my posts. :confusedshrug:

[KG215]

The worst at what. Posting facts? Why do you always debate the poster instead of the content of the post? I could be the biggest scumbag on the planet or Jesus reincarnated that doesn't change the merit of my posts. :confusedshrug:
Because debating your "facts" is pointless because your agenda couldn't be any more obvious. Anyone with a brain can see what you're doing by now when you bring up DRtg in a Jordan thread and/or get on your soapbox to preach about Kobe never having more than one All-Star teammate.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Because debating your "facts" is pointless because your agenda couldn't be any more obvious then it already is.

Once again I could be Kobe Bryant's agent and that does nothing to disprove anything I say. It's either true or it isn't. :confusedshrug:

[Mr. Incredible]

Lakers fans preseason:

Fantastic 4!
Kobe will easily get his 6th!


Now:

Trade Pau!
Screw D'Antoni!

:applause:

[KG215]

Once again I could be Kobe Bryant's agent and that does nothing to disprove anything I say. It's either true or it isn't. :confusedshrug:
You're right, it doesn't. But what's the point of constantly preaching shit like this? Anyone that's followd Kobe's career knows it goes beyond "Kobe's never had more than one All-Star teammate." As usual, you ignore context and take a simple statement like that at face value to fuel your agenda.

Kobe's been on some very top-heavy teams that didn't need a third All-Star to be a championship contender, or even better than the other championship contenders in the league at the same time that might've had three All-Stars to the Lakers two. And yes, I'm aware Kobe was the biggest reason for his teams being top-heavy from 2008-2010 and a big reason they were top-heavy during the 3-peat years. It still doesn't change anything.

So why do you feel the need to throw this "fact" into Kobe related conversations so often? Why'd you feel the need to start a thread about it?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You're right, it doesn't. But what's the point of constantly preaching shit like this? Anyone that's followd Kobe's career knows it goes beyond "Kobe's never had more than one All-Star teammate." As usual, you ignore context and take a simple statement like that at face value to fuel your agenda.

Kobe's been on some very top-heavy teams that didn't need a third All-Star to be a championship contender, or even better than the other championship contenders in the league at the same time that might've had three All-Stars to the Lakers two. And yes, I'm aware Kobe was the biggest reason for his teams being top-heavy from 2008-2010 and a big reason they were top-heavy during the 3-peat years. It still doesn't change anything.

So why do you feel the need to throw this "fact" into Kobe related conversations so often? Why'd you feel the need to start a thread about it?

The Kobe related threads are circle jerks where people like to fantasize a reality that looks nothing like NBA history or what actually happened. My posts have no purpose other than to counter balance the myths that propagate this board daily. Once again though you are obsessed with me and why I do what I do than reading and responding to the words on the screen. I don't get it. Why do you feel the need to question the motives of another basketball forum poster? :confusedshrug:

[KG215]

Why do you feel the need to question the motives of another basketball forum poster?
Because your motives are so blatantly obvious, yet you try to pass them off as nothing more than "posting facts to counter balance myth."

If you were actually tyring "counter balance myths" about other things, I'd by it. But there's essentially two subjects you post about: Kobe and Jordan.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Because your motives are so blatantly obvious, yet you try to pass them off as nothing more than "posting facts to counter balance myth."

If you were actually tyring "counter balance myths" about other things, I'd by it. But there's essentially two subjects you post about: Kobe and Jordan.

Didn't I just get you riled up a few days ago by pointing out the Thunder fan myth of a hometown discount wasn't supported by anything we have seen in history? Maybe you should stop getting so attached to myths if my posts shredding them ruffles your feathers so much.

[KG215]

Didn't I just get you riled up a few days ago by pointing out the Thunder fan myth of a hometown discount wasn't supported by anything we have seen in history? Maybe you should stop getting so attached to myths if my posts shredding them ruffles your feathers so much.
Your posts on the Thunder didn't really "shred" a myth. Players in the latter stages of their careers have taken discounts to play for a contender. I did and do realize Kevin Martin may not be at that point of his career, though. But yes, I admitted you "got" me.

I'm sure there's been players in a situation similar to Kevin Martin (30ish year old who's played his entire career on bad teams finally getting a chance to wind down his career on a contender) who could've gotten $10M+ on the market from a lesser team, but chose to take a little bit less money to play for a championship contender. I just can't think of one off the top of my head and have no idea how to go about finding something like that out.

Your posts about Kobe's lack of All-Star teammates and DRtg in regards to Jordan haven't "shredded" any myths. You're just so self-absorbed that you think they have.

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm

OP clearly knows nothing about how to construct bball teams, Lebron would be largely ineffective with Gasol and Howard cause neither of them can spread the floor and will clog up the paint. Lebron taking jumpers all day with no one to pass to is not how he gets his stats

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron would get gasol and Dwight so many easy baskets it would be a cakewalk to double digit assists:oldlol:

[jstern]

1. Kobe is 34, out of his prime.
2. How does Kobe not make his teammates better when PLENTY (including Shaq, Pau, Odom among others) have had career seasons playing next to him?

For number two, probably because they played many years with Kobe while in their prime.

[Money 23]

OP clearly knows nothing about how to construct bball teams, Lebron would be largely ineffective with Gasol and Howard cause neither of them can spread the floor and will clog up the paint. Lebron taking jumpers all day with no one to pass to is not how he gets his stats
Myth, LeBron can shoot the rock. He's been able to since 2008 or 2009, and has gotten better every year.

His mid range game is decent, and so is his long ball. Teams have been sagging on him this year, and he's made them pay.

And he's great off the dribble getting to the rim and finishing (as seen in the LA game) and he's one of the best pick and roll players, along with CP3 and Nash.

He'd get those two guys easy buckets all day. He'd get Gasol's confidence back up to 2010 levels, and he'd be a man again.

Dwight can't jump anymore, but I'm sure Bron could get him some easy looks. Bron's court vision makes him a versatile threat.

[Asukal]

Can you imagine Lebron losing to Dirk in the finals with Wade and Bosh? Oh wait... :rolleyes:

[eriX]

Can you imagine Lebron losing to Dirk in the finals with Wade and Bosh? Oh wait... :rolleyes:

or kobe with byumn, gasol and odom? :confusedshrug:

swept with a broom too? :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:facepalm

OP clearly knows nothing about how to construct bball teams, Lebron would be largely ineffective with Gasol and Howard cause neither of them can spread the floor and will clog up the paint. Lebron taking jumpers all day with no one to pass to is not how he gets his stats

I remember people saying the thing when LeBron was playing with Shaq. The clogging the lane theory is a myth. LeBron and Gasol would work great. Same with Howard and Bron.

[wally_world]

No. But coming into this season, i couldnt imagine Kobe having a losing record with that cast either so...

[red1]

:facepalm

OP clearly knows nothing about how to construct bball teams, Lebron would be largely ineffective with Gasol and Howard cause neither of them can spread the floor and will clog up the paint. Lebron taking jumpers all day with no one to pass to is not how he gets his stats
:facepalm Has this kid ever been right about anything? So what about varejao did he space the floor for lebron with his lethal jumpshot? Shaq or gasol with work perfectly with lbj all you need is a scrub 4 who can shoot

[SilkkTheShocker]

:facepalm Has this kid ever been right about anything? So what about varejao did he space the floor for lebron with his lethal jumpshot? Shaq or gasol with work perfectly with lbj all you need is a scrub 4 who can shoot


This.

LeBron's won an MVP award with Ben Wallace starting at the 4. And another MVP with Hickson, Shaq, and Varejao all in the frontcourt. Those guy are some serious sharpshooters from the perimeter :oldlol:

[red1]

This.

LeBron's won an MVP award with Ben Wallace starting at the 4. And another MVP with Hickson, Shaq, and Varejao all in the frontcourt. Those guy are some serious sharpshooters from the perimeter :oldlol:
Now that he can guard 4s you don't even need a scrub 4 you can even use a scrub 3 and still be good to go on defense. How easy is it to build around lbj as opposed to statutory's god kobe who needs a shaq or gasol/odom/bynum combo just to make the playoffs. That f*gg*t is always wrong

[STATUTORY]

He'd get those two guys easy buckets all day. He'd get Gasol's confidence back up to 2010 levels, and he'd be a man again.

Dwight can't jump anymore, but I'm sure Bron could get him some easy looks. Bron's court vision makes him a versatile threat.

Gasol is still a good offensive center but even Lebron isn't gonna be able to hide his defensive flaws.

I appreciate your honesty about dwight though. Guy is damaged goods, an athletic big with a tweaked back. His whole game is compromised. Kobe and Nash gets him easy "looks" all the time, all he does is go up for weak layups now or get stripped.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I just don't why know people think LeBron can't play with dominant post player. The guy has never once played with one. Big Z, Shaq, Joel Anthony, and Chris Bosh have been the centers he has played with. But even old Shaq didn't get in his way.