Chris Paul is starting to test my patience

[Clippersfan86]

Okay so.... you guys know I've defended him to a fault. Even prior to him being on the Clippers I loved his game and defended him from people underrating him. That being said what we've seen from him this season is completely unacceptable.

Chris Paul should be BETTER this year with more weapons around him and an offseason with the team. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. Blake has his own problems but in Blake's defense he's barely starting his third season and hasn't had good coaching or big men mentors.

I know Blake is still inexperienced and raw. Chris on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. In his 7th season now, extremely cerebral and intelligent player yet continues to make poor decisions. Somehow came into the season out of shape despite being in impeccable shape just a month or two earlier.

I never thought I'd mention low IQ in a sentence with CP3 but the last few games he's made multiple low IQ plays that had me yelling at the TV "WTF are you doing!?".

Every player is allowed to have bad games but to have relatively low impact in 12 games now? I feel like Bledsoe has a larger positive impact on the team 75 percent of this season so far. Superstars and top 5 players shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Lazy defense, more turnovers than usual, poor shooting compared to last year, looks slow as sh** on offense and can't hit shots. I feel like his idea of creating shots this year is bowling into players and getting called for a charge.

[9erempiree]

Do you think it has to do with the new flopping rules? I mean flopping was part of the game and if you make it illegal, certain players won't have that edge to change the pace of the game or momentum.

[CelticBaller]

early in the season dude, let the best PG find the groove

[Dictator]

Do you think it has to do with the new flopping rules? I mean flopping was part of the game and if you make it illegal, certain players won't have that edge to change the pace of the game or momentum.


:lol

[Clippersfan86]

Do you think it has to do with the new flopping rules? I mean flopping was part of the game and if you make it illegal, certain players won't have that edge to change the pace of the game or momentum.

Maybe it was a part of it... but flopping doesn't make him play like a scattered idiot who doesn't know when to take a shot. I mean the dude has like 5 24 second shot clock violations this year. SHOOT THE FU**ING BALL!

[STATUTORY]

Maybe it was a part of it... but flopping doesn't make him play like a scattered idiot who doesn't know when to take a shot. I mean the dude has like 5 24 second shot clock violations this year. SHOOT THE FU**ING BALL!

gotta protect that fg%, that's the mandate brah

[PJR]

He hasn't been the same since that knee injury. Stil great, but not the same. His peak was 2008.

[Fudge]

I think he has the perfect team built for him. Shooters surrounding the perimeter, and big men who can catch lobs and finish around the paint. It's pretty much on him. My main issue with him is that he's way too passive. Dude literally can take over a game whenever he wants to (outside of the OKC game).

[It's A VC3!!!]

Do you think it has to do with the new flopping rules? I mean flopping was part of the game and if you make it illegal, certain players won't have that edge to change the pace of the game or momentum.

:lol
That's pretty funny.

As to OP,

Chris Paul will be fine. He is just going through a rough stretch. Deron Williams is too and I am fumigating and ranting on his twitter page. ( Which is why he blocked me) but superstars will break out of their funks. Blake Griffin is the real concern. With his physique he shouldn't be attempting jump shots, he should man his way to the basket, get decent post moves and be a interior force. He's still young but the Clippers need him badly.

[Fudge]

:lol
That's pretty funny.

As to OP,

Chris Paul will be fine. He is just going through a rough stretch. Deron Williams is too and I am fumigating and ranting on his twitter page. ( Which is why he blocked me) but superstars will break out of their funks. Blake Griffin is the real concern. With his physique he shouldn't be attempting jump shots, he should man his way to the basket, get decent post moves and be a interior force. He's still young but the Clippers need him badly.
:roll:

[Bigsmoke]

CP3 kind of started out slow last year as well.

they had the tough ass 5 game schedule and he averaged like 30/10

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Maybe it was a part of it... but flopping doesn't make him play like a scattered idiot who doesn't know when to take a shot. I mean the dude has like 5 24 second shot clock violations this year. SHOOT THE FU**ING BALL!

He seems so passive. There were multiple possessions late in the 4th where I thought he should have looked to score.

The fouls (and turnovers to some degree) were what really frustrated me though. Some were deserving, others :biggums:

[Clippersfan86]

:lol
That's pretty funny.

As to OP,

Chris Paul will be fine. He is just going through a rough stretch. Deron Williams is too and I am fumigating and ranting on his twitter page. ( Which is why he blocked me) but superstars will break out of their funks. Blake Griffin is the real concern. With his physique he shouldn't be attempting jump shots, he should man his way to the basket, get decent post moves and be a interior force. He's still young but the Clippers need him badly.

:oldlol: thanks for making me laugh :cheers: . I understand bad games etc... but this is all year long passive play and subpar play. He's getting torched by players like Steve Blake for Christ's sake. As for Blake it's funny because people criticized the shit out of him for no shot.. and now he goes the Amare route and stops dunking, becomes a shooter primarily and improved defender and people rip him.

I think that shows he cares way too much what people think and needs to nut the fu** up. Great players play to their strengths, not give in to pressure from the outside world. Blake as I said though isn't being helped by CP3 or Vinny and is still just a 3rd year player this year, so while I'll readily criticize his play... more of the responsibility is on CP3.

[Pacers4ever]

why are you making this thread today on the night he faced his kryptonite

[Clippersfan86]

why are you making this thread today on the night he faced his kryptonite

Explain his other 8 or so bad games this year? Dude has had literally like 3 good games this year. NOT OKAY.

[All Net]

He has been far too passive he really needs to look for his shot more. 15PPG is not good enough really for a player of his quailty.

[9erempiree]

He seems so passive. There were multiple possessions late in the 4th where I thought he should have looked to score.

The fouls (and turnovers to some degree) were what really frustrated me though. Some were deserving, others :biggums:

He has to play more legit and quit being passive. Last season, he was very aggressive in offense and drawing fouls or flops. Paul had a knack or his flops usually got the defender in foul trouble, therefore, they would play him loose. He would eat them up.

This year with the new rule, his defenders are hardly in foul trouble and can play him much more aggressive which causes Paul to be much more passive as he's indecisive where he usually gets bailed out with a flop.

[PyrrhusX]

How would you feel if the clips let Paul walk and signed on Bledsoe as starting point guard? It might also put the clips financially better off too

[Zodiac]

Unfortunately for CP3 he's got to face Jeff Teague tomorrow.

Teague brought Kemba's hot streak to a halt and handed out 12 dimes w/ 13 points in 29 minutes. Hopefully Larry Drew will actually play him more than 30 minutes.

[RazorBaLade]

lakers will take him

u can have pau

[All Net]

lakers will take him

u can have pau

Nah can't

BASKETBALL REASONS.

[Bigsmoke]

He seems so passive. There were multiple possessions late in the 4th where I thought he should have looked to score.

The fouls (and turnovers to some degree) were what really frustrated me though. Some were deserving, others :biggums:

i feel that way a little bit.

he feels that he can turn it up whenever he wants. It didnt work that way in that OKC game where they could have won if Chris Paul would have starting looking to score at the beginning

Jamal Crawford is a great scorer but i dont think he should be their leading scorer if they wanna win a championship which i do think they have the capability of doing. It should be Blake or Chris Paul.

[Micku]

I believe Griffin needs to get better if the team wants to go far. While he has improved on his jumper, he should have more of an impact and he needs the ball during the 4th quarter. He is raw, but can still get points.

But CP3 will eventually be alright. He has been passive lately, but that's always been a bit of knock on him except in the 4th quarter.

CP3 could bounce back though. We'll see. Last year, it seemed like he can turn his offense on anytime he wants to. This year, not as much. But I have a feeling he'll get to that level again. He did it this season, but he is having a bad stretch atm.

[Clippersfan86]

How would you feel if the clips let Paul walk and signed on Bledsoe as starting point guard? It might also put the clips financially better off too

Honestly... I wouldn't be upset if Bledsoe got a 5 year deal for half the price, CP3 walked and Clippers used the 15+ mill they can clear for a top tier SG and or SF. Manu, Mayo, Ellis, Iggy, Pierce, AK47 and many others that could be available depending on how player/team options shake out.

Bledsoe+Ellis+Pierce+Griffin+DJ for example would be pretty sick. If you're wondering, YES the Clippers will have the cap for that. Lots of stuff like Odom's 8 mill coming off the books this summer plus CP3 walking would clear up 18+ mill obviously.

[tpols]

I would trade you him for deron in a second.

[Clippersfan86]

Also CP3 deferring to Jamal so much in 4th quarters this year is WTF worthy in itself. Sure Jamal is deadly and clutch but this is freaking CP3 we are talking about. It's almost like him and Blake are scared of the 4th quarter this year.

[Fudge]

Russell Westbrook and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Lets get this done. Imagine WB and Griffin on a fast break... The most athletic team of all-time, easily.

[Segatti]

In today's game he made horrible decisions down to stretch, pretty unusual for what I saw of him before.

[Clippersfan86]

In today's game he made horrible decisions down to stretch, pretty unusual for what I saw of him before.

It's been that way in every loss pretty much and even in the wins he struggled at times in the clutch. How do you go from most clutch player in NBA last year to being a choke when you have more talent to work with? It's so freaking ridiculous.

[Clippersfan86]

Russell Westbrook and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Lets get this done. Imagine WB and Griffin on a fast break... The most athletic team of all-time, easily.

I'd do it for sure. Because I know that when Griffin gets all passive... Westbrook will have no problem being THE guy and jacking up 30 shots. He may not take them but at least he won't back down from it.

Westbrook and Rondo are two PG's I'd take right now for CP3 straight up. I think both might be a better fit for the team for different reasons. Westbrook because he would be fearless go to player who has clutch game as well and stay aggressive every time down the floor. Rondo because he would make Blake explode as the 1st option and get the 3 point shooters better looks.

[All Net]

Luckily the west is so wide open I'm sure when it matters Paul will be back to his best.

[mjokc]

He has to adjust to not being able to flop and flail around on every other play.

[Ginobility]

You homos were all over CP3s junk three days ago after the Spurs game.

Choose whether or not you're gonna suck his dick or not.

[EnoughSaid]

Totally agree. CP3 needs to be aggressive and continuously look for his shot. However, he still needs to be able to manage this team and get players open looks. With the supporting cast he has and a great front court, dude should be averaging 20/10 no problem.

[InspiredLebowski]

He's gotten a little chunky and lazy. I'm not really joking either. Guy's not in very good shape.

[clipps]

Yea. CP3's second straight game playing like sh!t. What a scrub. /sarcasm

[KOBE143]

CP3 and Blake for Nash and Gasol.. Do it Mitch..

[Go Getter]

OP is probably a fatass that never played in a rec league much less a school or pro team which is why he freaks out so much over his unrealistic expectations.

[Clippersfan86]

OP is probably a fatass that never played in a rec league much less a school or pro team which is why he freaks out so much over his unrealistic expectations.

What's unrealistic about expecting a superstar to perform like one? LOL at you still being angry at me about your sensitive racism card and personally attacking me.

[notatop29pg]

I hope they trade him just so i can laugh when Bledsoe starts running around putting up 10pts on 4/17, 7 rebs, 2 blocks, 3 steals and 11 turnovers a game. But at least he's aggressive and and gets some cool blocks right?

Im not sure how much a player like CP3 really gives a rats about regular season, so long as they make playoffs its all good. You know your gonna get close to a triple double during the playoffs.

The regular season is for blokes like Blake Griffin to find some game, soon as his brain can make a decision to score or pass in less than 8 seconds they'll be fine.

Yeah we all know CP3 can score whenever he wants, but he's done that before. 2 seasons of 22/12/5/2 (rough) has proven that. Regular season is for the other guys to step up and find their spots and learn how they can step up if/when needed come playoffs. Tim Duncan has pretty much done it the past 5 years (not so much currently). He sleepwalks through the regular season.

You say CP3 is hampering Blakes development... have CP3 take an extra 10 shots per game and then see how Blake develops.

Stop being a spoilt bi*@h. you've got the best pg in the game, he makes others better. Its not his fault Blake thinks the basket is gonna bite him. Go back and watch the game from OKC or tonight and count how many time BG gets an open look in rhythm only to get all confused and brick it or pass out.

Yes i agree CP3 could score more, but he's not gonna carry the team all season. An extra 5 shots per game from CP3 isnt going to help.

[I.R.Beast]

He's always been overrated to me... His games is too reliant on the PnR and teams are defending it better, also the cheap flopping techniques he used to draw fouls on offense have been cracked down on. thats 2 big parts of his games that are being taken away from him...

[wagexslave]

Chris Paul is hella overrated.... dude is not a superstar caliber player, I don't care what anyone says. Every time I see him play I'm trying to figure out what people see in him. He doesn't have a killer mentality, doesn't look to score enough even when he has good open shots, he's a poor defender, and I haven't been impressed with him as a playmaker.

I still don't think I've seen him play one game since being on the Clippers and thinking "Wowwwwwww the Clippers were really lucky to get that guy... he's been a HUGE factor" etc. Half of the Clippers games I see I forget Paul is even on the floor...

[Clippersfan86]

I hope they trade him just so i can laugh when Bledsoe starts running around putting up 10pts on 4/17, 7 rebs, 2 blocks, 3 steals and 11 turnovers a game. But at least he's aggressive and and gets some cool blocks right?

Im not sure how much a player like CP3 really gives a rats about regular season, so long as they make playoffs its all good. You know your gonna get close to a triple double during the playoffs.

The regular season is for blokes like Blake Griffin to find some game, soon as his brain can make a decision to score or pass in less than 8 seconds they'll be fine.

Yeah we all know CP3 can score whenever he wants, but he's done that before. 2 seasons of 22/12/5/2 (rough) has proven that. Regular season is for the other guys to step up and find their spots and learn how they can step up if/when needed come playoffs. Tim Duncan has pretty much done it the past 5 years (not so much currently). He sleepwalks through the regular season.

You say CP3 is hampering Blakes development... have CP3 take an extra 10 shots per game and then see how Blake develops.

Stop being a spoilt bi*@h. you've got the best pg in the game, he makes others better. Its not his fault Blake thinks the basket is gonna bite him. Go back and watch the game from OKC or tonight and count how many time BG gets an open look in rhythm only to get all confused and brick it or pass out.

Yes i agree CP3 could score more, but he's not gonna carry the team all season. An extra 5 shots per game from CP3 isnt going to help.

You clearly haven't been following CP3 this year. Stop being a dickhead.

[notatop29pg]

You clearly haven't been following CP3 this year. Stop being a dickhead.

Ive watched every single game. Just like i watched all of his games as a hornet. He's been this way the last 5 years. Get everyone else involved 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Step up if needed. Of course there are gonna be times when it doesnt work out.

Your teams pretty muched got a revamped 2nd 5 and youre crying how many games into the season?

You moan about players (generally paul) through every single game thread, then disappear when he turns it around in the 4th, which happens far more often than it doesnt.

Just remember where the clippers would be without him. They wouldnt even be in sight of playoffs. You can have Gorden back, Davis and Aminu and you wouldnt win 35 games.

But i think what your really after is someone to have cool stats.

[andremiller07]

No way you trade Chris Paul hes just to good and the Clippers are way above 500. they had 2 losses straight but thats gonna happend to everyone, hell if the Clips wanna trade the Kings would gladly give up 3/4 of the roster to get him:bowdown:

[Clippersfan86]

Ive watched every single game. Just like i watched all of his games as a hornet. He's been this way the last 5 years. Get everyone else involved 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Step up if needed. Of course there are gonna be times when it doesnt work out.

Your teams pretty muched got a revamped 2nd 5 and youre crying how many games into the season?

You moan about players (generally paul) through every single game thread, then disappear when he turns it around in the 4th, which happens far more often than it doesnt.

Just remember where the clippers would be without him. They wouldnt even be in sight of playoffs. You can have Gorden back, Davis and Aminu and you wouldnt win 35 games.

But i think what your really after is someone to have cool stats.

Chris Paul also never had a championship caliber supporting cast. This team is WAY too loaded to make excuses for CP3. CP3 has had 5 good games out of 12 this year and I expected him to potentially have a career year with the weapons around him. He's in terrible shape, he's getting burned on defense by everybody, he's airballing and bricking open shots left and right, he's waiting WAY too long to shoot the ball and having more turnovers than usual.

I don't care if CP3's been this way for 5 years, it's not going to work with this team and the Clippers roster is nothing like the Hornets ones.

[tpols]

Honestly though I watched the game tonight beginning til end and Chris Paul wasn't your problem at all. The clippers biggest problems were:

-Lopez shitting on Ryan Hollins and deandre in iso sets over and over.
-Joe Johnson shooting the ball well
- much better hustle plays by Gerald Wallace and especially reggie Evans who grabbed a bunch of offensive rebounds in the 4th that allowed us to finally get some separation right before the starters came back in.

Dwill honestly didn't play that great. He wasn't controlling the game that we'll, he was missing crucial wide open threes, and in general he couldn't really break down the clips d that we'll.

Paul was running circles around our defense all game getting mismatches with our big men and making our players scramble to rotate to whoever it is was left wide open in the process. It wasn't til the end when he didn't convert on 2 or 3 critical opportunities that I was a little surprised. But you can't expect cp to dominate and make every play every time. No one else on the team was doing shit. Jamal Crawford is easy to guard when you have two big men who can't shoot. Defend for the shot let him drive and hard help or just soft double. And that's what bk did.

[notatop29pg]

Chris Paul also never had a championship caliber supporting cast. This team is WAY too loaded to make excuses for CP3. CP3 has had 5 good games out of 12 this year and I expected him to potentially have a career year with the weapons around him. He's in terrible shape, he's getting burned on defense by everybody, he's airballing and bricking open shots left and right, he's waiting WAY too long to shoot the ball and having more turnovers than usual.

I don't care if CP3's been this way for 5 years, it's not going to work with this team and the Clippers roster is nothing like the Hornets ones.

Theres only one player on the roster that IS playing up to expectations, or above. And thats Crawford.

When youve got one player who is a 9 out of 10 guy and the rest are 5/6/7 out of 10 guys, do you push the 9 to be a 10? Or should you expect the other guys to lift?

When you see how easy he can score when he wants its frustrating to see him play passive, but you KNOW it changes come playoffs. What you dont know, is how DJ, Griff, JC and CB are going to react when CP3 is shut down or out.

Yes you do have a championship calibre team, thats right.. TEAM. Youve got two franchise builders. Why isnt BG scoring 25 when CP3 his having a down night? its not like Paul shoots a lot? Does the most athletic PF of the last 15 years need someone to constantly feed him? Why cant this championship calibre TEAM seem to pull out a win when Paul is playing bad?

Also dont forget Vinny is playing them almost 4 minutes per game less than normal.

[notatop29pg]

Honestly though I watched the game tonight beginning til end and Chris Paul wasn't your problem at all. The clippers biggest problems were:

-Lopez shitting on Ryan Hollins and deandre in iso sets over and over.
-Joe Johnson shooting the ball well
- much better hustle plays by Gerald Wallace and especially reggie Evans who grabbed a bunch of offensive rebounds in the 4th that allowed us to finally get some separation right before the starters came back in.

Dwill honestly didn't play that great. He wasn't controlling the game that we'll, he was missing crucial wide open threes, and in general he couldn't really break down the clips d that we'll.

Paul was running circles around our defense all game getting mismatches with our big men and making our players scramble to rotate to whoever it is was left wide open in the process. It wasn't til the end when he didn't convert on 2 or 3 critical opportunities that I was a little surprised. But you can't expect cp to dominate and make every play every time. No one else on the team was doing shit. Jamal Crawford is easy to guard when you have two big men who can't shoot. Defend for the shot let him drive and hard help or just soft double. And that's what bk did.

Well said.

Count the dropped lobs, dribbles of feet, brain explosions by Barnes/Bledsoe, Butler and Green bricking open J's..

In the whole game the only thing i was disappointed with from CP3 was the missed layup towards the end.

[Clippersfan86]

Theres only one player on the roster that IS playing up to expectations, or above. And thats Crawford.

When youve got one player who is a 9 out of 10 guy and the rest are 5/6/7 out of 10 guys, do you push the 9 to be a 10? Or should you expect the other guys to lift?

When you see how easy he can score when he wants its frustrating to see him play passive, but you KNOW it changes come playoffs. What you dont know, is how DJ, Griff, JC and CB are going to react when CP3 is shut down or out.

Yes you do have a championship calibre team, thats right.. TEAM. Youve got two franchise builders. Why isnt BG scoring 25 when CP3 his having a down night? its not like Paul shoots a lot? Does the most athletic PF of the last 15 years need someone to constantly feed him? Why cant this championship calibre TEAM seem to pull out a win when Paul is playing bad?

Also dont forget Vinny is playing them almost 4 minutes per game less than normal.

Paul is the teams undisputed best clutch player and closer. The burden of finishing games is rightfully on his shoulders. Everybody knows Blake hasn't proven sh** yet as a young player in taking over in the clutch. All 4 Clippers loses had CP3 folding in the clutch in what were tied games with multiple chances to win and CP3 let the team down.

Last year I knew he would make SOMETHING good happen, even if it was a pass, a steal or a game winning shot. This year he just looks broken to me. Griffin has been the 2nd biggest problem on the team but as I said in the OP Griffin is in the beginning of his 3rd season, isn't a top 5 player and a superstar. The expectations I have for the players will obviously be different.

I've criticized Griffin a bunch lately for being passive as shit and looking mentally weak but CP3's play is more important to the team than Griffin's.

[Go Getter]

What's unrealistic about expecting a superstar to perform like one? LOL at you still being angry at me about your sensitive racism card and personally attacking me.
No, as a baller who has the utmost respect for CP3 and any pro really because I know my max potential was D1 benchwarmer It's insulting to see someone so out of shape and lame when it comes to hoops attack a gem like Paul.

A few games go by and you whine and moan....CP3 is as good as it gets, and you couldn't even last five minutes physically in an NBA game and youre calling him fat and lazy....smh

[Clippersfan86]

Honestly though I watched the game tonight beginning til end and Chris Paul wasn't your problem at all. The clippers biggest problems were:

-Lopez shitting on Ryan Hollins and deandre in iso sets over and over.
-Joe Johnson shooting the ball well
- much better hustle plays by Gerald Wallace and especially reggie Evans who grabbed a bunch of offensive rebounds in the 4th that allowed us to finally get some separation right before the starters came back in.

Dwill honestly didn't play that great. He wasn't controlling the game that we'll, he was missing crucial wide open threes, and in general he couldn't really break down the clips d that we'll.

Paul was running circles around our defense all game getting mismatches with our big men and making our players scramble to rotate to whoever it is was left wide open in the process. It wasn't til the end when he didn't convert on 2 or 3 critical opportunities that I was a little surprised. But you can't expect cp to dominate and make every play every time. No one else on the team was doing shit. Jamal Crawford is easy to guard when you have two big men who can't shoot. Defend for the shot let him drive and hard help or just soft double. And that's what bk did.

DJ did fine and had 12 and 13 in only 24 minutes. Didn't shoot well, stupid fouls etc but Lopez didn't "shit" on a player that only got to play half the game. Lopez is a great scoring center but didn't do much else so that isn't the main reason the Clippers lost.

Joe Johnson had it easy playing against a 6'3 200 pound SG most of the night and that was definitely a big factor.

Haven't been keeping up with D Will this year and frankly don't care enough about his play to criticize it. This is supposed to be CP3's year to finally get something significant done where he has zero excuses and so far I'm hating what I'm seeing. Last year he looked so incredible, this year he looks so average and easy to stop at times that it worries me.

I just get this bad feeling that he's not going to be able to just suddenly flip it around.

[notatop29pg]

Paul is the teams undisputed best clutch player and closer. The burden of finishing games is rightfully on his shoulders. Everybody knows Blake hasn't proven sh** yet as a young player in taking over in the clutch. All 4 Clippers loses had CP3 folding in the clutch in what were tied games with multiple chances to win and CP3 let the team down.

Last year I knew he would make SOMETHING good happen, even if it was a pass, a steal or a game winning shot. This year he just looks broken to me. Griffin has been the 2nd biggest problem on the team but as I said in the OP Griffin is in the beginning of his 3rd season, isn't a top 5 player and a superstar. The expectations I have for the players will obviously be different.

I've criticized Griffin a bunch lately for being passive as shit and looking mentally weak but CP3's play is more important to the team than Griffin's.

Thats where your problem lies, who is easier to close out in a physical hard hitting playoff game? a 6 foot 27yr old who isnt as quick as he used to be? or a hyper athletic 6"10 powerhouse? Its time for Blake to step up and stamp his name on this team. I'd much prefer to be relying on someone who can jump over anyone from 10 feet out in a playoff game, rather than a barely 6" pg who needs every single trick in the book to just get a shot off, let alone make one.

Come playoffs Paul will sit on around 20/10/4/2 as usual, but when lebron/kobe/sefolosha/Kawhi are guarding him on the perimeter and there is a mismatch somewhere... who is gonna step up? Thats what the regular season is there for, to find out.

Blake needs to assert himself and get active, its not all on him, but he sets his pick then watches... doesnt roll or do anything else. He's either shotting 18 footers or backing down for that little hook. The hook is great, but the rest is pretty average, especially considering some of the space he is given, he just needs to stop hesitating. Then the whole floor opens up for everyone.

And for what its worth...

The Hornets team with D.West, Chandler, Peja and Paul would spit this Clippers team out.

[Clippersfan86]

Thats where your problem lies, who is easier to close out in a physical hard hitting playoff game? a 6 foot 27yr old who isnt as quick as he used to be? or a hyper athletic 6"10 powerhouse? Its time for Blake to step up and stamp his name on this team. I'd much prefer to be relying on someone who can jump over anyone from 10 feet out in a playoff game, rather than a barely 6" pg who needs every single trick in the book to just get a shot off, let alone make one.

Come playoffs Paul will sit on around 20/10/4/2 as usual, but when lebron/kobe/sefolosha/Kawhi are guarding him on the perimeter and there is a mismatch somewhere... who is gonna step up? Thats what the regular season is there for, to find out.

Blake needs to assert himself and get active, its not all on him, but he sets his pick then watches... doesnt roll or do anything else. He's either shotting 18 footers or backing down for that little hook. The hook is great, but the rest is pretty average, especially considering some of the space he is given, he just needs to stop hesitating. Then the whole floor opens up for everyone.

And for what its worth...

The Hornets team with D.West, Chandler, Peja and Paul would spit this Clippers team out.

Lol this Clippers squad would beat those Hornets in 5 if you take CP3 off both teams, stop it. Remember CP3 was at his peak at that time.... his supporting cast now is much better. Hornets supporting pieces were respectable, these ones are very good.

Blake isn't doing all he can either. I think both deserve a majority of the blame for the losses this year. As I said though naturally the better player, the highest paid player and the proven SUPERSTAR is going to take more blame than the 3rd year all star PF.

[tpols]

DJ did fine and had 12 and 13 in only 24 minutes. Didn't shoot well, stupid fouls etc but Lopez didn't "shit" on a player that only got to play half the game. Lopez is a great scoring center but didn't do much else so that isn't the main reason the Clippers lost.

Joe Johnson had it easy playing against a 6'3 200 pound SG most of the night and that was definitely a big factor.

Haven't been keeping up with D Will this year and frankly don't care enough about his play to criticize it. This is supposed to be CP3's year to finally get something significant done where he has zero excuses and so far I'm hating what I'm seeing. Last year he looked so incredible, this year he looks so average and easy to stop at times that it worries me.

I just get this bad feeling that he's not going to be able to just suddenly flip it around.
Yes lopez did shit on dj and Hollins. On top of his game leading 26 points he had two back to back plays with under 3 minutes against dj where he slid past him and got two layups. Dj played a good game but he couldn't really guard lopez that we'll. And Hollins couldn't guard him at all.

And Joe Johnson has a size advantage on every two guard in the league. He's the biggest shooting guard by a lot and has that advantage in nearly every game he plays. Despite that he's been in a shooting funk but he really got up for this one.

And cp3 wasn't average at all this game. He was creating mismatches at will and hitting his big men in great spots.. Not his fault Blake is gonna dribble the ball off his foot in a tight game down the stretch.. Or one of his centers is going to mishandled pages in the paint and cough the ball up.. Or none of his perimeter players could make a long range shot when he needed them to besides Crawford.

Like I said there were a two or three plays where he missed a critical shot and made a shitty pass. That one bunny from ten feet away where our guard got trapped under a screen.. A layup.. That offensive foul that dwill sold 100 percent.. He didn't convert on a few crucial possessions but that won't be the case evry game. What will be the case however is that he will continue to break down defenses and give his team a ton of high quality looks. So you have to settle down sometimes when he makes a mistake or two in a regular season game

[Clippersfan86]

Which Tpols is why it's a bad idea for you to form an opinion of CP3 based on this game when my thread is about 7 out of 12 games this year where he's been mediocre. I wouldn't make such a lengthy rant about one bad game man :lol . Even so I disagree that CP3 played well, at least nowhere near CP3 standards. All the mistake plays you're mentioning were so so costly. Don't forget his attempt to scoop a pass to DJ in the paint in what could have made it a 1 or 3 point game and he passed it right to a Nets player instead.

[notatop29pg]

Lol this Clippers squad would beat those Hornets in 5 if you take CP3 off both teams, stop it. Remember CP3 was at his peak at that time.... his supporting cast now is much better. Hornets supporting pieces were respectable, these ones are very good.

Blake isn't doing all he can either. I think both deserve a majority of the blame for the losses this year. As I said though naturally the better player, the highest paid player and the proven SUPERSTAR is going to take more blame than the 3rd year all star PF.

On paper Clippers win.

But the Hornets were a team where every player had an IQ that was higher than this current (healthy) Clippers squad combined.

D-West would sit 20 feet out and bury everything, leaving about 15 feet of empty space behind him for Chandler to catch lobs, Peja wouldnt miss open J's like Caron and Willie, and CP3 would have a paddock of free space to do what he wanted. Bench would bring the clippers back in it, but hack'a'Blake/DJ would seal the win.

[Clippersfan86]

On paper Clippers win.

But the Hornets were a team where every player had an IQ that was higher than this current (healthy) Clippers squad combined.

D-West would sit 20 feet out and bury everything, leaving about 15 feet of empty space behind him for Chandler to catch lobs, Peja wouldnt miss open J's like Caron and Willie, and CP3 would have a paddock of free space to do what he wanted. Bench would bring the clippers back in it, but hack'a'Blake/DJ would seal the win.

I agree Hornets were more cohesive and intelligent as a team. Either way I agree it's not all on CP3. In other threads I've ripped Griffin, Vinny and other players. This is just more thread worthy because CP3 is so polarizing on ISH and I know a lot will chime in.

[SyRyanYang]

Cut him some slack, he'll be fine comes the playoffs.
And of all people, Jamal Crawford being the best player on this team:lol

[Clippersfan86]

Cut him some slack, he'll be fine comes the playoffs.
And of all people, Jamal Crawford being the best player on this team:lol

This is what pisses me off the most. How is a dude most people thought was done... gonna come on a team and be the best player right off the bat? Let alone a team with two all star starters :facepalm . CP3 and Blake need to wake the fu** up fast before they are at a .500 record. CP3 constantly deferring to Crawford in the 4th quarter makes me wanna puke. Sure he's very clutch and capable but CP3 is THAT DUDE or is supposed to be.

[clipps]

Wow. Yet another retarded thread. The Clippers had 2 straight losses inwhich Chris Paul had 2 bad games in. Big effin deal. Let's move back to reality.

- Chris Paul is a human being. Not a SuperGod.
- There is a reason why the season doesn't end in 12 games. Basketball is a very high paced sport and everyone is gonna look retarded. I'm sure MJ him self; the GOAT had horrible games too.

<fallen over drunk>

[joeyjoejoe]

Cp played ok today certainly better then dwill and no clipper really stepd up, no need to stress bout the clipps they had a lot of tough games to start the season but their schedule for the rest of nov and dec is way easier theyll be fine

[NumberSix]

Chris Paul

[Bucket_Nakedz]

he's distraught that hostess has gone under, and now his fat ass can't enjoy eating his favorite snacks.

[quartwarier]

Who's that hot bitch that he had a photo shoot with?

[Sharmer]

Wow. Yet another retarded thread. The Clippers had 2 straight losses inwhich Chris Paul had 2 bad games in. Big effin deal. Let's move back to reality.

- Chris Paul is a human being. Not a SuperGod.
- There is a reason why the season doesn't end in 12 games. Basketball is a very high paced sport and everyone is gonna look retarded. I'm sure MJ him self; the GOAT had horrible games too.

<fallen over drunk>

:bowdown:

[It's A VC3!!!]

How cool were the "overrated" chants that blake received last night from the entire crowd? those chants would have never happened in nj.

[oolalaa]

I'd do it for sure. Because I know that when Griffin gets all passive... Westbrook will have no problem being THE guy and jacking up 30 shots. He may not take them but at least he won't back down from it.

Westbrook and Rondo are two PG's I'd take right now for CP3 straight up. I think both might be a better fit for the team for different reasons. Westbrook because he would be fearless go to player who has clutch game as well and stay aggressive every time down the floor. Rondo because he would make Blake explode as the 1st option and get the 3 point shooters better looks.

I'll call you up on this when Paul leads the Clips to the WCF in around 6 months time (As long as he's healthy). Stop overreacting.

Btw, Westbrook would be a horrible, horrible, horrible 'point guard' to have on ur team. You need a playmaker with all those weapons, not a dumb as shit shot jacking egomaniac.

[longhornfan1234]

Who's that hot bitch that he had a photo shoot with?

Bar Refaeli.

[IGotACoolStory]

Contact your sources in the front office and demand a trade. Go as far as threatening to stop posting about them on InsideHoops if he isn't dealt.

[tpols]

How cool were the "overrated" chants that blake received last night from the entire crowd? those chants would have never happened in nj.
They were awesome because Blake bricked both freethrows after them.:oldlol: They very clearly got in his head. dudes soft.

[Clippersfan86]

They were awesome because Blake bricked both freethrows after them.:oldlol: They very clearly got in his head. dudes soft.

Almost as soft as your center who can't average more than 6 rebounds a game as a 7 footer. Griffin may be mentally fragile at times and seems to let people get inside his head way too easy but that's not the same thing as "soft".

[tpols]

Almost as soft as your center who can't average more than 6 rebounds a game as a 7 footer. Griffin may be mentally fragile at times and seems to let people get inside his head way too easy but that's not the same thing as "soft".
Lopez is physically slow/soft. He isnt as aggressive or coordinated at throwing around his weight as Blake, but hes a much more cerebral and mentally composed player. Blake likes to play the tough guy role but hell never open his mouth and actually say or do anything.. just whine and bitch and stare at the refs. And then when people bark and fight back he folds like a chair.

Blake's talent>> but hes too stupid to utilize it like he should. I wouldnt even care about his mental fragility if he didnt try to display the complete opposite in a totally fake manner.

[brandonislegend]

Gasol for Cp3

[zizozain]

How cool were the "overrated" chants that blake received last night from the entire crowd? those chants would have never happened in nj.
lol ... best crowd

[daballa13]

Okay so.... you guys know I've defended him to a fault. Even prior to him being on the Clippers I loved his game and defended him from people underrating him. That being said what we've seen from him this season is completely unacceptable.

Chris Paul should be BETTER this year with more weapons around him and an offseason with the team. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. Blake has his own problems but in Blake's defense he's barely starting his third season and hasn't had good coaching or big men mentors.

I know Blake is still inexperienced and raw. Chris on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. In his 7th season now, extremely cerebral and intelligent player yet continues to make poor decisions. Somehow came into the season out of shape despite being in impeccable shape just a month or two earlier.

I never thought I'd mention low IQ in a sentence with CP3 but the last few games he's made multiple low IQ plays that had me yelling at the TV "WTF are you doing!?".

Every player is allowed to have bad games but to have relatively low impact in 12 games now? I feel like Bledsoe has a larger positive impact on the team 75 percent of this season so far. Superstars and top 5 players shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Lazy defense, more turnovers than usual, poor shooting compared to last year, looks slow as sh** on offense and can't hit shots. I feel like his idea of creating shots this year is bowling into players and getting called for a charge.

Blake Griffin is an unskilled super athlete who will never be an elite big man. That's just the simple and plain truth.

[Clippersfan86]

Lopez is physically slow/soft. He isnt as aggressive or coordinated at throwing around his weight as Blake, but hes a much more cerebral and mentally composed player. Blake likes to play the tough guy role but hell never open his mouth and actually say or do anything.. just whine and bitch and stare at the refs. And then when people bark and fight back he folds like a chair.

Blake's talent>> but hes too stupid to utilize it like he should. I wouldnt even care about his mental fragility if he didnt try to display the complete opposite in a totally fake manner.

This is so misinformed. Blake doesn't play the tough guy role at all. Staring at a player after a poster dunk is common in this league. The only times he's gotten into anything is when he gets cheapshotted so not sure how you can be a fake tough guy when all you're doing is losing your cool. He's not trying to bully or instigate anybody and never has.

The only thing he can realistically do when people fu** with him is punch somebody but he doesn't seem to have that mentality. I know if I was him I would do it.

[tpols]

This is so misinformed. Blake doesn't play the tough guy role at all. Staring at a player after a poster dunk is common in this league. The only times he's gotten into anything is when he gets cheapshotted so not sure how you can be a fake tough guy when all you're doing is losing your cool. He's not trying to bully or instigate anybody and never has.

The only thing he can realistically do when people fu** with him is punch somebody but he doesn't seem to have that mentality. I know if I was him I would do it.
idk.. blake looks like he has that younger brother syndrome look on his face at all times.. staring blankly and hardly at all times always trying to prove everyone wrong. He needs to mellow out and compose himself.

And Im not saying to stop being aggressive. I'm saying when he dunks on somebody, instead of staring at them and giving a indirect, passive aggressive taunt actually SAY something. If you're going to have the balls to punk or embarass someone after you dunk on them you have to go Shawn Kemp all in and actually do it. Point at them yell at them go gary payton on them. Stop tippy toeing around what you're trying to do and people will respect you more.

And if he doesnt want to do that then just run back to the other side of the court and celebrate with your teammates without giving any notice to the guy you just dunked on.

There's a reason players have problems with the guy. They know he wont ever follow through on his displayed attitude.

[Clippersfan86]

idk.. blake looks like he has that younger brother syndrome look on his face at all times.. staring blankly and hardly at all times always trying to prove everyone wrong. He needs to mellow out and compose himself.

And Im not saying to stop being aggressive. I'm saying when he dunks on somebody, instead of staring at them and giving a indirect, passive aggressive taunt actually SAY something. If you're going to have the balls to punk or embarass someone after you dunk on them you have to go Shawn Kemp all in and actually do it. Point at them yell at them go gary payton on them. Stop tippy toeing around what you're trying to do and people will respect you more.

And if he doesnt want to do that then just run back to the other side of the court and celebrate with your teammates without giving any notice to the guy you just dunked on.

There's a reason players have problems with the guy. They know he wont ever follow through on his displayed attitude.

People have problems with him because he's dunking on them left and right and gives staredowns. They also don't like how physical he is in the paint. It has nothing to do with him randomly being a dick or bully because he's not. Besides the "antics" we are talking about haven't been seen from Blake since the end of season last year. Starting with the playoffs last year the staredowns, flops and trash talk are almost completely gone from his game.

Which quite frankly I hate. I feel like he's conformed to what people want him to be rather than playing the game his way. Trying to go the Amare route of becoming a jumpshooting big who plays passive often times is NOT what Blake should be doing. He needs to tell everybody to fu** off and man up. You can tell the criticism has gotten to him because dude doesn't even attempt dunks anymore. It's disappointing as sh**.

This isn't the 90's anymore. If Blake pulls the Liston move he gets techs. You're expecting him to play like 90's Kemp when a lot of the grit is outlawed now.

[Clippersfan86]

2-8 shooting tonight with only 11 points going into the 4th :facepalm . When will this bullsh** fu**ing end?

[miggyme1]

Okay so.... you guys know I've defended him to a fault. Even prior to him being on the Clippers I loved his game and defended him from people underrating him. That being said what we've seen from him this season is completely unacceptable.

Chris Paul should be BETTER this year with more weapons around him and an offseason with the team. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. Blake has his own problems but in Blake's defense he's barely starting his third season and hasn't had good coaching or big men mentors.

I know Blake is still inexperienced and raw. Chris on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. In his 7th season now, extremely cerebral and intelligent player yet continues to make poor decisions. Somehow came into the season out of shape despite being in impeccable shape just a month or two earlier.

I never thought I'd mention low IQ in a sentence with CP3 but the last few games he's made multiple low IQ plays that had me yelling at the TV "WTF are you doing!?".

Every player is allowed to have bad games but to have relatively low impact in 12 games now? I feel like Bledsoe has a larger positive impact on the team 75 percent of this season so far. Superstars and top 5 players shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Lazy defense, more turnovers than usual, poor shooting compared to last year, looks slow as sh** on offense and can't hit shots. I feel like his idea of creating shots this year is bowling into players and getting called for a charge.

first of all cp3 is in his 8th season.lol

second of all why u worried about the regular season.....imo cp3 has never been a regular season kinda guy but if u look at every time he has made the playoffs he has looked like isiah thomas.

i can remember two years ago when he went up against the lakers in the first round and he literally put the hornets on his back and made it a six game series.

clippersfan look man stop b.i.t.c.h.i.n. cp3 will be fine

[longtime lurker]

This is one of my biggest criticisms with Chris Paul. That's why I pay no attention to the stats nerds that say Chris Paul is the best PG in the league and top 5 of all time blah blah blah. He has that ability to kick his game into another gear but doesn't consistently do it. It seems he'd rather protect his percentages. I'd rather have Chris Paul average 20 and 10 on 45% shooting than 15 and 10 on over 50%

[supe12sta12z]

Clipper fans are so spoiled. Did you forget that you were a 32 win team prior to Paul's arrival? What's with the sense of entitlement? CP3 has turned the Clippers into a contending team and you're worried about a couple of regular season losses?

CP3's method is tried and true. It's proven to be a successful recipe and he has done year after year with the Hornets with much less. Losing a couple of measly games in the regular season and you're already calling for his heads with pitchforks. Unbelievable.

He's not going to look to press or burn himself out early in the season. He's running a marathon not a sprint. He's on cruise control until February when playoff seeding begins.

If you knew anything about Paul, He'd take an assist over a bucket 10 out of 10 times. If you ever watched him on the Hornets, he would defer in the final minutes as much as he would take over and shoot himself. David West knows this all too well and has always benefited from it.

Don't expect him to hog all the shots in the final minutes as that's never been his M.O. and will never do it consistently. Don't expect it to change. He'll throw you a bone or two when the match up calls for him to attack but don't expect to see it consistently until the games have meaning.

[LakersForlife]

like i said clips are a second round at best just like last year.they got nothing outside paul.maybe crawford but thats it

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

He has been off at times but still shows his brillance most of the times.

This road trip was bad for him. He just needs to shoot the ball when he has that open look rather than always pass it out.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Clipper fans are so spoiled.

Spoiled by what? A few decades of mediocrity?

[The_Yearning]

CPIII is the LeBron of PGs.

Dude has not been the same since the day he got sonned by that caveman.

[stevieming]

Can't believe clipper fans are whining about Chris Paul.

FFS guys, Chris Paul is like top 3 PG in the league right now, and you guys are complaining.....

[oolalaa]

This is one of my biggest criticisms with Chris Paul. That's why I pay no attention to the stats nerds that say Chris Paul is the best PG in the league and top 5 of all time blah blah blah. He has that ability to kick his game into another gear but doesn't consistently do it. It seems he'd rather protect his percentages. I'd rather have Chris Paul average 20 and 10 on 45% shooting than 15 and 10 on over 50%

This is a clown comment bro. Chris Paul cares about stats and percentages?? Paul is perhaps the most selfless superstar in the league. All he cares about is winning. If he doesn't "kick his game into another gear" on a regular basis it's because 1. He's resting his knees or 2. It's the REGULAR SEASON or 3. Both.

He IS the best point guard in the league, and, as long as his knees hold up for the remainder of his career (Perhaps unlikely), he'll go down as the 3rd/4th greatest point guard of all time....right there with Isiah.

[Clippersfan86]

People saying I'm entitled or spoiled need to understand that it's only because last year right out of the gate CP3 was dominant. Even in his bad games his impact was huge. This year he just looks so average at times... where he can't do ANYTHING right. His impact is significantly less despite most of his games being good statistically.

Last year literally 9 out of 10 times down the stretch CP3 took over games. This year he's been the main man responsible for meltdowns late in games. It's such a night and day difference, I can't help but be pissed about it. People keep saying he will get back to it.... but 13 games is enough to say somebody is struggling or not struggling. If he turns it around I'll go back to praising him but for right now I'm not happy.

He's our best player, was the clutchest player in the NBA last year and has always been a great closer. So seeing him choke time and time again worries me.

[oh the horror]

So what, are we going to act like Clips fans shouldnt recognize when their franchise player is playing like hot garbage?

[Clippersfan86]

So what, are we going to act like Clips fans shouldnt recognize when their franchise player is playing like hot garbage?

We should just shut up and accept mediocrity apparently since we sucked for 30+ years anyways :rolleyes: .

[Young X]

People saying I'm entitled or spoiled need to understand that it's only because last year right out of the gate CP3 was dominant. Even in his bad games his impact was huge. This year he just looks so average at times... where he can't do ANYTHING right. His impact is significantly less despite most of his games being good statistically.

Last year literally 9 out of 10 times down the stretch CP3 took over games. This year he's been the main man responsible for meltdowns late in games. It's such a night and day difference, I can't help but be pissed about it. People keep saying he will get back to it.... but 13 games is enough to say somebody is struggling or not struggling. If he turns it around I'll go back to praising him but for right now I'm not happy.

He's our best player, was the clutchest player in the NBA last year and has always been a great closer. So seeing him choke time and time again worries me.
You're over exaggerating. CP3 took over the Cavs and Warriors games (even though they lost, he was involved in almost every play down the stretch), and hit a game saving shot vs. the Spurs. The only problem with Paul this season has been his passiveness/deferring to Griffin and Crawford too much. Besides that and his 3pt shooting, every other part of his game is either the same or better than it was last season so far.

[Clippersfan86]

You're over exaggerating. CP3 took over the Cavs and Warriors games (even though they lost, he was involved in almost every play down the stretch), and hit a game saving shot vs. the Spurs. The only problem with Paul this season has been his passiveness/deferring to Griffin and Crawford too much. Besides that and his 3pt shooting, every other part of his game is either the same or better than it was last season so far.

What are you talking about? His defense has taken a huge step back this year. His shooting from the field is down 4 percent, shooting from 3 down 7 percent. The only things that have stayed the same are rebounding and assists, everything else is down. Besides I don't miss Clippers games and can definitively say his overall impact is way down.

[Micku]

What are you talking about? His defense has taken a huge step back this year. His shooting from the field is down 4 percent, shooting from 3 down 7 percent. The only things that have stayed the same are rebounding and assists, everything else is down. Besides I don't miss Clippers games and can definitively say his overall impact is way down.

It hasn't really been a month yet. CP3 could bounce back. Star players do have not so stellar months. CP3 could have a stretch of games next month or in Jan or something. While there is no question that he hasn't been playing as well as last year so far, that doesn't mean he won't be effective. Look at his track record and look up the bad months he had in the past. Back then with the NOH he was better than he was on the Clippers too.

You shouldn't be worried about CP3 too much. He'll probably bounce back eventually and be one of the best, if not the best PG in the league I think clippers fans should worried about Griffin. I think the team won't get far unless Griffin gets better. He needs the ball in the 4th and needs to make a impact.

[Clippersfan86]

It hasn't really been a month yet. CP3 could bounce back. Star players do have not so stellar months. CP3 could have a stretch of games next month or in Jan or something. While there is no question that he hasn't been playing as well as last year so far, that doesn't mean he won't be effective. Look at his track record and look up the bad months he had in the past. Back then with the NOH he was better than he was on the Clippers too.

You shouldn't be worried about CP3 too much. He'll probably bounce back eventually and be one of the best, if not the best PG in the league I think clippers fans should worried about Griffin. I think the team won't get far unless Griffin gets better. He needs the ball in the 4th and needs to make a impact.

Who do you think is responsible to get him the ball in the 4th? CP3. Coach is yelling at him to get Griffin the ball every game yet instead he's taking bad shots or deferring to Crawford and Butler. The team needs to get it through their heads that we don't have enough pure shooters to be a perimeter team. Our bread and butter should be Griffin. Griffin doesn't help the situation by passing so much but they need to feed right back to him and MAKE him have to score.

I agree every superstar gets to have a bad month here or there but this was supposed to be the year of no excuse for CP3. Mostly healthy, LOADED squad next to him, more time to mesh etc.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Exactly.

First 13 games of '08: 17.6 pts, 10.3 asts, 4.4 rebs, 2.9 stls, 3.2 TO's on 47/31/89 shooting

First 13 games of '13: 15.8 pts, 9.6 asts, 3.7 rebs, 2.7 stls, 2.4 TO's on 45/31/88 shooting

'08 Hornets: 9-4
'13 Clippers: 8-5

Not sure why you deleted your post, but...

Context. Do these stats account for defense, effort, and overall play in 4th quarters? :confusedshrug:

[Clippersfan86]

Exactly.

First 13 games of '08: 17.6 pts, 10.3 asts, 4.4 rebs, 2.9 stls, 3.2 TO's on 47/31/89 shooting

First 13 games of '13: 15.8 pts, 9.6 asts, 3.7 rebs, 2.7 stls, 2.4 TO's on 45/31/88 shooting

'08 Hornets: 9-4
'13 Clippers: 8-5

I love the perspective this brings and much respect for including it. Stats line up well but was his impact also worse in 08 and was he a defensive liability? I'm not complaining about his stats because they are still good. I'm complaining about the uncharacteristic meltdowns down the stretch in games, his unwillingness to shoot wide open shots and his poor defense.

Also in 08 he was a younger, much more athletic and aggressive CP3 so I'm not sure he will bounce back as strong this time.

[Clippersfan86]

Not sure why you deleted your post, but...

Context. Do these stats account for defense, effort, and overall play in 4th quarters? :confusedshrug:

Repped. You posted this right before I got mine down :cheers: .

[Young X]

You guys are right about those stats not accounting for defense and effort, I just originally posted that to show that Paul in the past has gotten off to a similar slow start and turned it around.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Repped. You posted this right before I got mine down :cheers: .

Thanks. I'm a stat head myself, but you gotta use some perspective.

The reality is, CP3 ain't playing up to par.. I'm of the opinion he'll pick it up just before the postseason though. (crossing fingers lol)

[Clippersfan86]

Thanks. I'm a stat head myself, but you gotta use some perspective.

The reality is, CP3 ain't playing up to par.. I'm of the opinion he'll pick it up just before the postseason though. (crossing fingers)

Same. I'm not saying dude is done or won't bounce back because he no doubt will. I'm rather just venting about his play being mediocre up till this point. If he disappears in the playoffs again (last year injuries but has happened at times before) and keeps folding in 4th quarters though he needs to be held accountable.

[La Frescobaldi]

clippersfan86 all in a lather because his team is #1 in the Pacific for like what? the 3rd time since they were in San Diego?

[Gotterdammerung]

Okay so... you guys know I've defended clippers to a fault. Even prior to them being good, I liked their futility and defended them from people slagging them. That being said, what we've seen from ClippersFan86 is completely unacceptable.

ClippersFan86 should be BETTER this year with a stronger team and an offseason on ISH. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. ISH has its own problems, but in ISH's defense, they are full of young posters, and hasn't had good moderators or strict guidelines.

I know ISH is still full of trolls and homers. ClippersFan86 on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. After 25,000 plus posts, a die-hard fan, yet continues to post poor threads. Somehow came into the season trolling weak sauce, despite posting 20 plus times a day during the summer.

I never thought I'd mention troll in a sentence with ClippersFan86 but the last few weeks he's made multiple low IQ threads that had me flabbergasted at ISH.

Every poster is allowed to have crappy posts, but to have trolled in weeks now? I feel like Qrich has a larger positive impact on ISH 75% of this season so far. Veteran posters shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Homer posts, more fanboy reasoning than usual, poor grammar compared to last year, appear totally illogical and can't refute substantial responses. I feel like his idea of posting is troll others into reactions and getting riled up in return.

:oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

Okay so... you guys know I've defended clippers to a fault. Even prior to them being good, I liked their futility and defended them from people slagging them. That being said, what we've seen from ClippersFan86 is completely unacceptable.

ClippersFan86 should be BETTER this year with a stronger team and an offseason on ISH. Yet he is worse in every way, literally. ISH has its own problems, but in ISH's defense, they are full of young posters, and hasn't had good moderators or strict guidelines.

I know ISH is still full of trolls and homers. ClippersFan86 on the other hand doesn't have that excuse. After 25,000 plus posts, a die-hard fan, yet continues to post poor threads. Somehow came into the season trolling weak sauce, despite posting 20 plus times a day during the summer.

I never thought I'd mention troll in a sentence with ClippersFan86 but the last few weeks he's made multiple low IQ threads that had me flabbergasted at ISH.

Every poster is allowed to have crappy posts, but to have trolled in weeks now? I feel like Qrich has a larger positive impact on ISH 75% of this season so far. Veteran posters shouldn't be pulling this kind of crap.

Homer posts, more fanboy reasoning than usual, poor grammar compared to last year, appear totally illogical and can't refute substantial responses. I feel like his idea of posting is troll others into reactions and getting riled up in return.

:oldlol:

Not sure why you can't just disagree rather than make a full blown troll post while accusing me of trolling. You definitely made your point here! :applause: . Funny thing is... I defend all the players and I'm the most bias homer... but the minute I criticize one I get ripped apart anyways for trolling? Doesn't make any sense at all but can't say I'm surprised.

If anything the fact that I can separate players from my loyalty to the team should get me respect rather than criticism. I care about what's best for the TEAM and always have.

[ThunderKat]

He's in a slump. He played here in OKC when we had the Hornets and he would go hot and cold for several games. He will get back to form... I have no doubt.

[Gotterdammerung]

Not sure why you can't just disagree rather than make a full blown troll post while accusing me of trolling. You definitely made your point here! :applause: . Funny thing is... I defend all the players and I'm the most bias homer... but the minute I criticize one I get ripped apart anyways for trolling? Doesn't make any sense at all but can't say I'm surprised.

If anything the fact that I can separate players from my loyalty to the team should get me respect rather than criticism. I care about what's best for the TEAM and always have.

I enjoy parodies and satires. :D

Seriously, it is a long season and clearly you're missing the forest for the trees.

Chris Paul has to develop chemistry as the point guard. He has to feed the ball to certain guys to get them going, so they will play inspired defense. DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin are young guys who need to be led around the nose on the court.

He can't just callously gun like Kobe.

Read a few books on how point guards operate the game - they're not exactly trying to win the game with each play. The bigger picture is to develop a strong contender that can win in the playoffs, and your homerism is preventing you from seeing that. :no:

[Clippersfan86]

I enjoy parodies and satires. :D

Seriously, it is a long season and clearly you're missing the forest for the trees.

Chris Paul has to develop chemistry as the point guard. He has to feed the ball to certain guys to get them going, so they will play inspired defense. DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin are young guys who need to be led around the nose on the court.

He can't just callously gun like Kobe.

Read a few books on how point guards operate the game - they're not exactly trying to win the game with each play. The bigger picture is to develop a strong contender that can win in the playoffs, and your homerism is preventing you from seeing that. :no:

He's not doing that though. He's had a full season with Griffin and STILL isn't utilizing him the way he should. Clippers offense is at it's best when Griffin is getting the ball often. Passing to the wing players like Butler+Crawford isn't going to get it done. This team is not made to be a jump shooting team yet that's what CP3's creating lately. Last year when they actually PNR'd they were unstoppable at times yet what do they do? Stop PNR entirely this year. SMH....

[Gotterdammerung]

He's not doing that though. He's had a full season with Griffin and STILL isn't utilizing him the way he should. Clippers offense is at it's best when Griffin is getting the ball often.
False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.


Passing to the wing players like Butler+Crawford isn't going to get it done. This team is not made to be a jump shooting team yet that's what CP3's creating lately.
Exactly where is "get it done" in your cloud-cuckoo land, when it has gotten them 1st place in the Pacific so far? It's true that Butler isn't himself or he shouldn't be starting ahead of Barnes at this point.


Last year when they actually PNR'd they were unstoppable at times yet what do they do? Stop PNR entirely this year. SMH....

Teams have been siccin' their best wing defender on Chris Paul: Sefolosha in the Thunder game, LBJ in the Heat game, and Leonard in the Spurs game. This is the best method to negate Paul, and the pick-n-roll plays.

It looks more like a bad stretch than anything else.

[Clippersfan86]

False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.


Exactly where is "get it done" in your cloud-cuckoo land, when it has gotten them 1st place in the Pacific so far? It's true that Butler isn't himself or he shouldn't be starting ahead of Barnes at this point.



Teams have been siccin' their best wing defender on Chris Paul: Sefolosha in the Thunder game, LBJ in the Heat game, and Leonard in the Spurs game. This is the best method to negate Paul, and the pick-n-roll plays.

It looks more like a bad stretch than anything else.

Didn't say Griffin has a mature game but when the offense runs through him and he's aggressive the team is easily at it's best. It's very common for Griffin to have 15+ in the first half... yet the team inexplicably stops going to him in the second half and turns into a 3 point bombing team. Maybe it's teams adjusting after halftime but it's stupid that the team doesn't stick to it's guns and CP3 is a root problem of the scheme.

Please don't be a sheep and say stupid sh** like "they are at the top of the Pacific". It's the weakest division in the NBA arguably. Warriors are only a HALF game behind the Clippers and the Lakers are a newly formed team yet to find it's groove. Before you know it the Clippers can easily be 3rd within a week or two if they don't fix these issues NOW.

Teams have been putting their best defenders on superstars since the inception of the NBA and it's no excuse. CP3 is talented and smart enough to beat longer, good defenders. He's making poor decisions PERIOD. Deferring to Jamal Crawford and Caron Butler for deep 3's? COMON DUDE. He must be held accountable. I'm not about to protect him even if he's the superstar on the team.

[brandonislegend]

Blake Griffin is like Kevin Love, stats but no substance.

[Micku]

Who do you think is responsible to get him the ball in the 4th? CP3. Coach is yelling at him to get Griffin the ball every game yet instead he's taking bad shots or deferring to Crawford and Butler. The team needs to get it through their heads that we don't have enough pure shooters to be a perimeter team. Our bread and butter should be Griffin. Griffin doesn't help the situation by passing so much but they need to feed right back to him and MAKE him have to score.

I agree every superstar gets to have a bad month here or there but this was supposed to be the year of no excuse for CP3. Mostly healthy, LOADED squad next to him, more time to mesh etc.

I sightly disagree. I watched a few of Clippers this year where CP3 would give him the ball. Griffin had a few open shots too or he can drive in for the dunk and get a foul. Instead he is looking to pass. But you are right that they don't really give him the ball that much in the 4th either. They should.

The Clippers won't get far unless Griffin is their focal point on offense. They should go inside and then out. I think they are fine with CP3 or Crawford closing games when they are hot or making a play, but Griffin should get the ball and score more in the 4th than he has been.



False. Griffin doesn't have the mature game you imagine him to have. Fantasy basketball doesn't get wins.


I disagree here. While I agree he doesn't have a mature game, the Clippers are at their best if they go inside and out with Griffin. The reason why is because he is a good passer and he could create for his teammates and they have a better of scoring with him attacking the basket than a jumpshot. Whenever they do have as the focal point in the offense, they look more fluid and better on offense than not. It was the same last year too. But CP3 was better at closing last year so far.

But no question that CP3 impact>Griffin's impact.

[notatop29pg]

Fancy a pg passing to a %90 free throw shooter over a 50% shooter down the stretch. Insanity. Even Vinny was benching Blake down the stretch last year.

Blake is as indecisive as Paul is passive. I reckon Blake hits 90% of his shots when he puts them up in rhythm. It's not Paul's fault Blake freezes half the time. Butler does it too... "Open 3... Pump fake, drive/travel/contested brick.

[Clippersfan86]

I sightly disagree. I watched a few of Clippers this year where CP3 would give him the ball. Griffin had a few open shots too or he can drive in for the dunk and get a foul. Instead he is looking to pass. But you are right that they don't really give him the ball that much in the 4th either. They should.

The Clippers won't get far unless Griffin is their focal point on offense. They should go inside and then out. I think they are fine with CP3 or Crawford closing games when they are hot or making a play, but Griffin should get the ball and score more in the 4th than he has been.



I disagree here. While I agree he doesn't have a mature game, the Clippers are at their best if they go inside and out with Griffin. The reason why is because he is a good passer and he could create for his teammates and they have a better of scoring with him attacking the basket than a jumpshot. Whenever they do have as the focal point in the offense, they look more fluid and better on offense than not. It was the same last year too. But CP3 was better at closing last year so far.

But no question that CP3 impact>Griffin's impact.

You make valid points and that's why I've acknowledged Griffin makes it worse by passing too much. Bottom line like you said is Clippers at their best are an inside/out team running the offense through Griffin. The 4th quarters of not giving Griffin the ball, especially when he DOMINATED prior needs to end. This guy has 15/8/3 for example at the half so why not feed and feed him? That's the one thing Baron was much better than CP3 at... feeding the hot hand.

Baron in general really played well with Griffin and now that he's gone and we have CP3 I realize it more than ever. Baron was always willing to throw risky lobs and Blake got them 90 percent of the time. Those easy dunks energize him and get his post game going. Baron also was better at letting Griffin handle the ball and attack more.

[Clippersfan86]

Fancy a pg passing to a %90 free throw shooter over a 50% shooter down the stretch. Insanity. Even Vinny was benching Blake down the stretch last year.

Blake is as indecisive as Paul is passive. I reckon Blake hits 90% of his shots when he puts them up in rhythm. It's not Paul's fault Blake freezes half the time. Butler does it too... "Open 3... Pump fake, drive/travel/contested brick.

Another perpetuated myth. Blake Griffin was NEVER benched down the stretch in 4th quarters. Only in the playoffs when he was injured and physically couldn't give more than 80 percent. Griffin was the highest impact Clipper last year in terms of on and off court differential. The Clippers went to shit whenever he came out of games.

He's getting out of this passive streak already and it doesn't change the fact that he needs more shots and more touches.

[notatop29pg]

Another perpetuated myth. Blake Griffin was NEVER benched down the stretch in 4th quarters. Only in the playoffs when he was injured and physically couldn't give more than 80 percent. Griffin was the highest impact Clipper last year in terms of on and off court differential. The Clippers went to shit whenever he came out of games.

He's getting out of this passive streak already and it doesn't change the fact that he needs more shots and more touches.

He'll get as much ball as he wants when he's not a liability at the line. It's just too easy to take him out of the game that way. So many games were lost last season that would have been won with 70% from the line rather than 60%.

On a side note... How long do you think G.Hill will last with the Clippers? He never looks to pleased with what he sees out there. I think some of the clippers knuckleheads will drive him insane..

[Clippersfan86]

He'll get as much ball as he wants when he's not a liability at the line. It's just too easy to take him out of the game that way. So many games were lost last season that would have been won with 70% from the line rather than 60%.

On a side note... How long do you think G.Hill will last with the Clippers? He never looks to pleased with what he sees out there. I think some of the clippers knuckleheads will drive him insane..

Hill will likely retire after this year or next.. and he interviewed the other night saying he loved what he's seen from the team :confusedshrug: . His free throw shooting is up about 10 percent from last year and will keep improving. It's still an issue but not rare for bigs used to bullying in the paint to be poor free throw shooters the first few years of their career.

[notatop29pg]

Hill will likely retire after this year or next.. and he interviewed the other night saying he loved what he's seen from the team :confusedshrug: . His free throw shooting is up about 10 percent from last year and will keep improving. It's still an issue but not rare for bigs used to bullying in the paint to be poor free throw shooters the first few years of their career.

Yeah Blakes got plenty of time... I just don't see him putting himself in the right position enough. Yeah he can dribble ok, but they've got Crawford for that. The starting 5 need to all be threats in a team offense. If he gets in a good spot (not just for lobs) he'll get plenty of ball. It's not all on Blake mind you.. But his lack of confidence is extremely obvious out there IMO, not sure why either.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah Blakes got plenty of time... I just don't see him putting himself in the right position enough. Yeah he can dribble ok, but they've got Crawford for that. The starting 5 need to all be threats in a team offense. If he gets in a good spot (not just for lobs) he'll get plenty of ball. It's not all on Blake mind you.. But his lack of confidence is extremely obvious out there IMO, not sure why either.

We've already agreed on this though. Blake has had way too many times this year where he's passing too much and not attacking. That being said the last 2-3 games it's improved. Last game he had 22/11/7 in about 30 minutes and was aggressive from the start having 19 at the half. Then the team stopped feeding him which is what I'm complaining about.

[Whoah10115]

Didn't Paul say that if he isn't running someone has got to tell him? Well, who's telling him? Cuz he's snailing.



And it's just...Butler has to go. Plain and simple. He has to be traded. It doesn't matter what you get back. When Hill is back you have to get him in the lineup and trade Butler.



And honestly, Matt Barnes does well as a starter. I still have no idea why the Lakers benched him. When he started he played very well. Runs the court so well and plays defense, does the little things. But Butler cannot start.

[Clippersfan86]

Tonight 22 minutes, 4 points for CP3. Bledsoe 8 points in 6 minutes. :facepalm wake the fu** up dude!

[Clippersfan86]

CPChoke has now missed 2 shots to end quarters badly and continues to get torched on defense while Bledsoe gets 0 minutes in the 3rd quarter :biggums:

[notatop29pg]

How did it finish up?

Most sensible basketball watchers wait until the game is over..

[Levity]

CPChoke has now missed 2 shots to end quarters badly and continues to get torched on defense while Bledsoe gets 0 minutes in the 3rd quarter :biggums:

youre a terrible terrible terrible fan. cant even wait til the game ends to start running your mouth about your teams best player. youre like a child. no better than the laker and heat stans that flood this board.

[devin112]

CP scored a couple of clutch layups to finish the game.

you're bipolar right? you have to be.

[TheCalmInsanity]

CPChoke has now missed 2 shots to end quarters badly and continues to get torched on defense while Bledsoe gets 0 minutes in the 3rd quarter :biggums:

CPChoke?

Dude, we won the game. And "CPChoke" had some pretty clutch plays and played well to close out the game.

You really need to abstain from posting during games, you get way too emotional and post things that end up backfiring on you, to be honest.

[AirTupac]

Says CP sucks ass and isn't clutch.

Saves the day for them.


Says Artest is terrible and isn't going to start shooting better.

Starts shooting better than he has since 2008.

Konex 2.0?

[Clippersfan86]

CP3 hit a couple big shots.... but dude still played like ass for 3 quarters and it's getting old. Why is he playing entire quarters while playing so bad? Through 3 quarters dude had a TERRIBLE stat line and had poor impact on both ends.

[chazzy]

CPChoke with 2 go ahead layups in the final two minutes :bowdown:

[Darius]

CP3 hit a couple big shots.... but dude still played like ass for 3 quarters and it's getting old. Why is he playing entire quarters while playing so bad? Through 3 quarters dude had a TERRIBLE stat line and had poor impact on both ends.

This team wasn't sh:t until CP got here and you think that's a coincidence?

Sorry ass fan.

[Clippersfan86]

This team wasn't sh:t until CP got here and you think that's a coincidence?

Sorry ass fan.

Lol at CP3 stans now rivaling Kobe stans. Now if you call a player out for playing like ass you get attacked. The real fans are the ones who can call it like it is and CP3 has been a big disappointment this year. BTW I've heard your whole "Clippers wouldn't be shit without CP3" angle before and I disagree. Blake would have developed faster and the Clippers had the assets to keep improving.

[devin112]

cpchoke won the game, who gives a shit what the stat line is? only a dumbazz would focus on the first 3 quarters and dismiss the 4th. you're a retard man.

he did totally suck on defense, mo never had an easier day.

[notatop29pg]

So now you know that the Clippers can almost win a game on their own without CP3 having to carry them. If i was a clippers fan id be happy with that. Theres always going to be someone in the team who has a bad game.

If he was sitting on his ass shooting 3's and they lost the game... now thats a different story.

[TheCalmInsanity]

CP3 hit a couple big shots.... but dude still played like ass for 3 quarters and it's getting old. Why is he playing entire quarters while playing so bad? Through 3 quarters dude had a TERRIBLE stat line and had poor impact on both ends.

Would you rather he play well through 3 quarters and then not close out the victory and lose?

Playing well in crunch time is worth more than 1 quarter of good play. It's when all the pressure is on, and the whole game is on the line.

Like I said, you're a good guy but you need to try to stop posting during Clipper games. When we're losing you blame the refs, and when we're winning you're constantly in arguments and in a high chair against fans of the other team. You end up saying things you don't mean and then blame the heat of the moment.

Why not just not say anything, wait till the end of the game, and post after if you know you're going to say things you don't mean? Trust me I understand, that's why I post AFTER the game and not during it. During it I just yell at my TV :)

Another thing is try not to dog the other team's fans so much. The Clippers won, sleep happy. No need to rub salt in wounds, or make people realize anything. Stay humble and everyone around you will respect you, it's very important to stay humble through all situations. Just my advice.

[Clippersfan86]

Would you rather he play well through 3 quarters and then not close out the victory and lose?

Playing well in crunch time is worth more than 1 quarter of good play. It's when all the pressure is on, and the whole game is on the line.

Like I said, you're a good guy but you need to try to stop posting during Clipper games. When we're losing you blame the refs, and when we're winning you're constantly in arguments and in a high chair against fans of the other team. You end up saying things you don't mean and then blame the heat of the moment.

Why not just not say anything, wait till the end of the game, and post after if you know you're going to say things you don't mean? Trust me I understand, that's why I post AFTER the game and not during it. During it I just yell at my TV :)

Another thing is try not to dog the other team's fans so much. The Clippers won, sleep happy. No need to rub salt in wounds, or make people realize anything. Stay humble and everyone around you will respect you, it's very important to stay humble through all situations. Just my advice.

I didn't dog Jazz fans at all. I've been pretty chill after losses. My only issue in the game thread with Jazz fans was them crying about a flop when Hayward and Millsap flopped around all night long and this disregarded that. I said Jazz are a good team and tough as hell.

[Darius]

The only explanation is this dude is going on a bender before a game. Can be no other reason for the stupid things he posts.

[chazzy]

Griffinfan86

[devin112]

Lol at CP3 stans now rivaling Kobe stans. Now if you call a player out for playing like ass you get attacked. The real fans are the ones who can call it like it is and CP3 has been a big disappointment this year. BTW I've heard your whole "Clippers wouldn't be shit without CP3" angle before and I disagree. Blake would have developed faster and the Clippers had the assets to keep improving.


CP stans? Dude just scored the final fgs on the game and won the game, is 2nd in the league in assists.

seriously though, you're bipolar right?

[Clippersfan86]

cpchoke won the game, who gives a shit what the stat line is? only a dumbazz would focus on the first 3 quarters and dismiss the 4th. you're a retard man.

he did totally suck on defense, mo never had an easier day.

Not about retard or bi polar. It's about me thinking this was going to be CP3's MVP year where he had a loaded team he picked himself and would dominate. It's discouraging to me to see him vanish for long stretches all season long when last year I didn't see that at all. I'm just concerned because you'd think after 18 games or w/e he would have snapped out of that stuff.

I'm also not used to seeing him get obliterated on D every night when last year he was great.

[devin112]

any other Clippers fan hate CF86 like I do?

[devin112]

Not about retard or bi polar. It's about me thinking this was going to be CP3's MVP year where he had a loaded team he picked himself and would dominate. It's discouraging to me to see him vanish for long stretches all season long when last year I didn't see that at all. I'm just concerned because you'd think after 18 games or w/e he would have snapped out of that stuff.

I'm also not used to seeing him get obliterated on D every night when last year he was great.

I want him to lead the Clippers to wins, not MVPs. The 4th quarter is winning time and so far he's leading the team to wins.

When was CP's defense great????

Seriously dude, everybody thinks you have emotional issues. you have to be bipolar and on your period every game.

[B-hoop]

any other Clippers fan hate CF86 like I do?

I think that's pretty unanimous :lol

[Clippersfan86]

I want him to lead the Clippers to wins, not MVPs. The 4th quarter is winning time and so far he's leading the team to wins.

When was CP's defense great????

Seriously dude, everybody thinks you have emotional issues. you have to be bipolar and on your period every game.

CP3 was very very good last year defensively. He may of gotten scored on due to the size advantage most PG's have but he was scrappy and always stayed active. Now I see way more standing around and watching players shoot wide open jumpers. Rather than continuously attacking me how about you explain the basketball side of this?

BTW Clippers are 11-6 bro.... they should be about 14-3. CP3's games where he had 4 and 6 points recently weren't leading anybody to wins.

[Darius]

any other Clippers fan hate CF86 like I do?

Just feel bad for him.

ISH already was against the clippers so what's a lil more hate :D

[devin112]

we should start a petition to kick his ass out of clipper nation. he avy bets against the team, talks shit about them when he's on his period, and then starts a CP bash thread.

[TheCalmInsanity]

I didn't dog Jazz fans at all. I've been pretty chill after losses. My only issue in the game thread with Jazz fans was them crying about a flop when Hayward and Millsap flopped around all night long and this disregarded that. I said Jazz are a good team and tough as hell.

You also told one of them to go to bed.

Dude, let them say what they want. This is an internet forum. They don't HAVE to agree with your opinions (if they did, there would be nothing to discuss). You don't have to convince every single person to take your side. If they complain about something, laugh it off and ignore it. You don't see me replying to EVERY SINGLE person that complains/insults the Clippers do you?

I do once in a while, but that's when I'm in the mood for a discussion. Replying to EVERY SINGLE ONE looks really bad and gives people the idea that you're insecure, I'm sure you don't want that label on you. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the wins instead of looking for doubters that are still there after their team loses

[Clippersfan86]

we should start a petition to kick his ass out of clipper nation. he avy bets against the team, talks shit about them when he's on his period, and then starts a CP bash thread.

Never avy bet. I made a comment when the Clippers were down 13 that the game was over because they didn't look like they gave a fu** and thought outloud and said if they somehow pull off the miracle win I'll change my avy. I didn't directly propose a bet to anybody so not sure why you keep saying this :facepalm .

Also... I talk shit about the players/team when they play like crap. I prefer honesty over blind loyalty and being a yes man.

[notatop29pg]

we should start a petition to kick his ass out of clipper nation. he avy bets against the team, talks shit about them when he's on his period, and then starts a CP bash thread.

The best punishment would be to see CP3 walk next season and have Bledsoe start. You'd get awesome looking boxscores mixed with 30% fg and 7 turnovers a game..... But he'd get cool blocks.

unfortunately thats more of a punishment to Clipper fans.

[TheCalmInsanity]

CP3 was very very good last year defensively. He may of gotten scored on due to the size advantage most PG's have but he was scrappy and always stayed active. Now I see way more standing around and watching players shoot wide open jumpers. Rather than continuously attacking me how about you explain the basketball side of this?

BTW Clippers are 11-6 bro.... they should be about 14-3. CP3's games where he had 4 and 6 points recently weren't leading anybody to wins.

So the Bulls, the best team in the NBA back then with the best record in NBA history (72-9) technically SHOULD HAVE BEEN 82-0, right? Since they're the best team and shey SHOULD NOT lose against anyone?

This is why you play the games. Just cause you're a better team than another doesn't mean you will win. Doesn't matter whether they should or shouldn't win a game, fact is, we're 11-6.

Another thing is, do you expect Chris Paul to NEVER have an off game? Blake Griffin had a game the other day where he dropped only 4 points. Should we call him ChokeGriffin? I don't understand.

No player is going to have 100% great games.

[Al Thornton]

any other Clippers fan hate CF86 like I do?

im just confused as to why it's taken people this long to realize it. since the second or third month he has posted here he has been this insufferable. the solution would be to just all ignore him and then when his threads get no replies he will hopefully disappear for good.

[Clippersfan86]

So the Bulls, the best team in the NBA back then with the best record in NBA history (72-9) technically SHOULD HAVE BEEN 82-0, right? Since they're the best team and shey SHOULD NOT lose against anyone?

This is why you play the games. Just cause you're a better team than another doesn't mean you will win. Doesn't matter whether they should or shouldn't win a game, fact is, we're 11-6.

Another thing is, do you expect Chris Paul to NEVER have an off game? Blake Griffin had a game the other day where he dropped only 4 points. Should we call him ChokeGriffin? I don't understand.

No player is going to have 100% great games.

I called Griffin out too. I call anybody out who plays like trash if it's bad enough. I made this thread during the road trip where we lost 4 in a row and CP3 was nowhere to be found. I bumped tonight because I could not believe CP3 got so much burn when for 3 quarters he did nothing and in 8 or 9 minutes Bledsoe did more damage just about.

[B-hoop]

CF86, just let it be, CP3 won the game in the 4th quarter, that's what he is there for.

He will have bad games as any other player will, he's still gonna be a top 5 player in the league.

[Clippersfan86]

CF86, just let it be, CP3 won the game in the 4th quarter, that's what he is there for.

He will have bad games as any other player will, he's still gonna be a top 5 player in the league.

I bumped the thread too early but still don't like people acting like just because I call a player out I'm not a fan. I'm in my 14th season and love my team WAY too much to deserve those types of comments. Maybe I'm annoying and emotional during games but have my fan card pulled? :oldlol:

[devin112]

Never avy bet. I made a comment when the Clippers were down 13 that the game was over because they didn't look like they gave a fu** and thought outloud and said if they somehow pull off the miracle win I'll change my avy. I didn't directly propose a bet to anybody so not sure why you keep saying this :facepalm .

Also... I talk shit about the players/team when they play like crap. I prefer honesty over blind loyalty and being a yes man.

What the flying fcuk???? You said clippers were going to lose, someone proposed a bet and you took the bet! you made the bet! u think you're bill clinton? you're not slick dude.

[Clippersfan86]

Anyways as much as we disagree... I never want to fight with other Clippers fans. Have a good night guys and I apologize for offending. I still think CP3 needs to step up a lot more but no sense in fighting with my own fanbase.

[Graviton]

I'm also not used to seeing him get obliterated on D every night when last year he was great.
You have to accept the fact CP3 isn't the 2008 version. He is easily controlled if you put a bigger, agile defender on him. Even though he scored those last 2 FGs today, it was more due to Al's atrocious D on the picks. If CP3 faces OKC/Spurs in the playoffs, Westbrook/Collison/Ibaka and Leonard/Jackson/Duncan will put him through hell.

Nowadays it's hard for PGs to score vs a real defense unless they are built like Westbrook/Rose or are a mix like Kyrie/Liliard. Age of CP3/Deron is over. With all the great perimeter defenders today, no midgets will destroy teams.

CP3's defense was always overrated due to his steals. He is too short, doesn't have the strength or length to contain anyone. He can frustrate players with his quick hands, but other than that noone is intimidated by his presence. If he makes another All D 1st team again it will be a crime, him and Kobe get bullshit awards.

[TheCalmInsanity]

I bumped the thread too early but still don't like people acting like just because I call a player out I'm not a fan. I'm in my 14th season and love my team WAY too much to deserve those types of comments. Maybe I'm annoying and emotional during games but have my fan card pulled? :oldlol:

It's one thing to call a player out after a game, a few game stretch, etc. And there's certain ways of doing this. You can tell it how it is respectfully. I don't think giving a player on your team the label "CPChoke", especially given his TRACK RECORD, is the right thing to do in situations like that, much less bump threads like this before the game even ends.

Again, we go to the Bulls.. Michael Jordan has missed 26 game winners. Do you think his fans called him a choker after each one? No. He's done enough good that he can afford to miss a few. Same with CP3. He did us so good that if he plays subpar for a few games, you don't turn on him like that. That's being fair-weather.

Just like if someone gives you $100 every month.. and then doesn't get you a Christmas present. Would you yell at him and call him names for not getting you a gift?

[devin112]

You have to accept the fact CP3 isn't the 2008 version. He is easily controlled if you put a bigger, agile defender on him. Even though he scored those last 2 FGs today, it was more due to Al's atrocious D on the picks. If CP3 faces OKC/Spurs in the playoffs, Westbrook/Collison/Ibaka and Leonard/Jackson/Duncan will put him through hell.

Nowadays it's hard for PGs to score vs a real defense unless they are built like Westbrook/Rose or are a mix like Kyrie/Liliard. Age of CP3/Deron is over. With all the great perimeter defenders today, no midgets will destroy teams.

CP3's defense was always overrated due to his steals. He is too short, doesn't have the strength or length to contain anyone. He can frustrate players with his quick hands, but other than that noone is intimidated by his presence. If he makes another All D 1st team again it will be a crime, him and Kobe get bullshit awards.

7 months ago... on the whole Thunders team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8o-1cv5lqc

[Clippersfan86]

It's one thing to call a player out after a game, a few game stretch, etc. And there's certain ways of doing this. You can tell it how it is respectfully. I don't think giving a player on your team the label "CPChoke", especially given his TRACK RECORD, is the right thing to do in situations like that, much less bump threads like this before the game even ends.

Again, we go to the Bulls.. Michael Jordan has missed 26 game winners. Do you think his fans called him a choker after each one? No. He's done enough good that he can afford to miss a few. Same with CP3. He did us so good that if he plays subpar for a few games, you don't turn on him like that. That's being fair-weather.

Just like if someone gives you $100 every month.. and then doesn't get you a Christmas present. Would you yell at him and call him names for not getting you a gift?

Yes I would. I deserve both!

Just messing with ya

[oh the horror]

What gets me is, what the fu*k do any of you really care how Clippersfan86 is with his team?


Does it cause you to lose sleep at night? Cause you to miss rent? Miss car payments? Become limp in the bedroom? No? Then drop it.


Jesus christ some of you here with this bullshit. :oldlol:

[TheCalmInsanity]

Yes I would. I deserve both!

Just messing with ya

:applause: You sir, have quite the sense of humor. :bowdown: NOW PLAY NICE, Clippers won, the vodka is kicking in, why am I typing this.. OKAY!

[devin112]

It's one thing to call a player out after a game, a few game stretch, etc. And there's certain ways of doing this. You can tell it how it is respectfully. I don't think giving a player on your team the label "CPChoke", especially given his TRACK RECORD, is the right thing to do in situations like that, much less bump threads like this before the game even ends.

Again, we go to the Bulls.. Michael Jordan has missed 26 game winners. Do you think his fans called him a choker after each one? No. He's done enough good that he can afford to miss a few. Same with CP3. He did us so good that if he plays subpar for a few games, you don't turn on him like that. That's being fair-weather.

Just like if someone gives you $100 every month.. and then doesn't get you a Christmas present. Would you yell at him and call him names for not getting you a gift?

He's bipolar or retarded, he makes a thread on ish to bash CP, names him CP choke and when people call him out on this he tries to backtrack.

[TheCalmInsanity]

What gets me is, what the fu*k do any of you really care how Clippersfan86 is with his team?


Does it cause you to lose sleep at night? Cause you to miss rent? Miss car payments? Become limp in the bedroom? No? Then drop it.


Jesus christ some of you here with this bullshit. :oldlol:

Why do you care how we care? Pretty hypocritical statement, I'm guaranteeing you care about actions people have all the time. Maybe not on an online forum, but I'm sure things people do around you have an effect on you.

[Al Thornton]

What gets me is, what the fu*k do any of you really care how Clippersfan86 is with his team?


Does it cause you to lose sleep at night? Cause you to miss rent? Miss car payments? Become limp in the bedroom? No? Then drop it.


Jesus christ some of you here with this bullshit. :oldlol:

beyond ruining every clippers thread he turns once good posters like brandonislegend and xioa xiao into worst of the forum level trolls.

also off topic but why do you always post like two-three sentences per paragraph?

[Graviton]

7 months ago... on the whole Thunders team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8o-1cv5lqc
What happened in their last meeting? Please do post those stats/videos lol.

[Clippersfan86]

beyond ruining every clippers thread he turns once good posters like brandonislegend and xioa xiao into worst of the forum level trolls.

also off topic but why do you always post like two-three sentences per paragraph?

Wait I'm to blame for making posters troll? :oldlol: same can be said for me right? Most used to think I was at least a decent poster and most now think I'm a troll. I was instigated and attacked FAR more than Xiao or Brandon to where I think me lashing out is a bit more justified. I had/have entire troll posses of 15 people following me around just to bait me and attack me personally.

I can understand if I always talked trash on a personal level about you guys but this is just because I annoy you or make homer posts. I've already said a hundred times I'd happily make peace with any of you guys who dislike me because quite frankly none of these arguments mean shit to me. I'm here to talk ball and like doing so.

[qrich]

What happened in their last meeting? Please do post those stats/videos lol.

Demonssssssssssssssssss.

[oh the horror]

beyond ruining every clippers thread he turns once good posters like brandonislegend and xioa xiao into worst of the forum level trolls.

also off topic but why do you always post like two-three sentences per paragraph?



I dont know. I feel like its easier on the eyes, rather than one big block of a paragraph when reading on a forum.

[SevereUpInHere]

What gets me is, what the fu*k do any of you really care how Clippersfan86 is with his team?


Does it cause you to lose sleep at night? Cause you to miss rent? Miss car payments? Become limp in the bedroom? No? Then drop it.


Jesus christ some of you here with this bullshit. :oldlol:


Sometimes it does :(

[Clippersfan86]

Sometimes it does :(

Aww you're a dick. You're saying I'm a boner kill? :cry: :( .

http://captiontool.com/assets/memes/sad-baby.jpg

[Go Getter]

im just confused as to why it's taken people this long to realize it. since the second or third month he has posted here he has been this insufferable. the solution would be to just all ignore him and then when his threads get no replies he will hopefully disappear for good.
He'll just disappear then comeback with another team to jock.

[devin112]

CP says hi and you're welcome... b!tch!