Wolves announcers just said Love's stats are empty....

[Cali Syndicate]

and called Rubio a winner who's a much more impact player on the win column.

[supe12sta12z]

Looks like someone is going to get fired soon.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dat ether :coleman:

[kennethgriffin]

i got league pass... around what time in the game did they say it. i'd love to hear something i agree with :lol

[Levity]

They must post on ISH

[poido123]

Wow, the truth will get that guy fired :lol

[Cali Syndicate]

i got league pass... around what time in the game did they say it. i'd love to hear something i agree with :lol

Around the final minute or so of the game.

[Sarcastic]

They will seem much more full once he finally leaves the Wolves.

[Bigsmoke]

wanna trade him for Boozer?

[KOBE143]

wanna trade him for Boozer?
No one will take Boozer soft ass, bitch..

Pau for Love is much better..

[bdreason]

I wouldn't call them empty, but they certainly don't reflect his actual impact on the game. For example, if Duncan or KG post something like 25/12, their team is probably winning the game, because those players also server as defensive anchors. Love, on the other hand, is a defensive liability. So, he may post impressive scoring and rebounding numbers, but those stats alone don't make him a top tier player. Same goes for a player like Blake Griffin.

[ncrizzle]

I wouldn't call them empty, but they certainly don't reflect his actual impact on the game. For example, if Duncan or KG post something like 25/12, their team is probably winning the game, because those players also server as defensive anchors. Love, on the other hand, is a defensive liability. So, he may post impressive scoring and rebounding numbers, but those stats alone don't make him a top tier player. Same goes for a player like Blake Griffin.

+1

[disel]

No one will take Boozer soft ass, bitch..

Pau for Love is much better..
Because Pau is such a tough player:rolleyes:

[atljonesbro]

How can stats be empty he still puts up the stats. Like they were physically done by him. Whats the differnce between an "empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting versus a "non-empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting. They're still doing the same thing

[mshahidz]

How can stats be empty he still puts up the stats. Like they were physically done by him. Whats the differnce between an "empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting versus a "non-empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting. They're still doing the same thing

example: Providing poor defence, giving someone an open shot or too much room so you can chase a rebound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuIosnLpmvo&feature=fvst

Look at his piss poor defence half the time.

[atljonesbro]

example: Providing poor defence, giving someone an open shot or too much room so you can chase a rebound.
That's pathetic logic. I highly doubt Klove sits there and thinks "Im just gonna let him shoot so i can stat pad another rebound". He's a professional not a little kid.

[bdreason]

How can stats be empty he still puts up the stats. Like they were physically done by him. Whats the differnce between an "empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting versus a "non-empty" 25/12 on 47% shooting. They're still doing the same thing


Not really. The way you score is important, as is when you score. Dominating the high and low post opens up the court more than hitting 3's and midrange jumpers. Racking up 25 points in Q 1-3 isn't the same as scoring 12 in the 4th. Bigmen that tend to play around the paint also draw more fouls, and as stated earlier, create more opportunities for their teammates.


Also, offensive stats don't reflect a players defensive impact on the game (obviously). When you tell me the PF/C dropped 35/15 on 47%, my response is, "how much did they win by?". However, you have PF/C's like Love and Griffin who post gaudy stat lines, but those stats don't necessarily translate to W's. I'm not trying to pick on these players, because they are great offensive players... but that's where their impact ends, and it should be noted.

[mshahidz]

That's pathetic logic. I highly doubt Klove sits there and thinks "Im just gonna let him shoot so i can stat pad another rebound". He's a professional not a little kid.

I was exaggerating, but he really is not a great defender.
When you see a player putting up 15 rebounds, you think he's a great defender but its not that case with Love. I think thats what people mean when they say "empty" stats.

Furthermore, how you score is more important...are you there in crunch time? are you putting pressure on the defence and getting them in foul trouble?
I feel that Zbo has more of an "impact" on his team's success than Love.

[R.I.P.]

I wouldn't call them empty, but they certainly don't reflect his actual impact on the game. For example, if Duncan or KG post something like 25/12, their team is probably winning the game, because those players also server as defensive anchors. Love, on the other hand, is a defensive liability. So, he may post impressive scoring and rebounding numbers, but those stats alone don't make him a top tier player. Same goes for a player like Blake Griffin.

When Dirk posts 25/12 they usually win, too. He

[Rubio2Gasol]

It gets annoying.

[brandonislegend]

Kevin Love is similar to Blake Griffin, terrible defender, gets attention from flashy things (high numbers or nice dunks). Does not impact the game in the slightest.

[B-Easy8]

It was the Warriors commentators that said that and you are paraphrasing. They said that Rubio has a bigger impact on the team than Love does as was shown last season.

They have a point. As good as Love is there are few players that can do what Rubio can do.

[nbarumorz]

Kevin Love is similar to Blake Griffin, terrible defender, gets attention from flashy things (high numbers or nice dunks). Does not impact the game in the slightest.


never really though of love as a good dunker. Silly to say he doesn't impact the game in the slightest though, he swallows up boards and can score efficiently.

[mentallooser]

I honestly believe that the Wolves will have a much better looking offense when Rubio returns. He isnt a legendary PG or anything, but he does seem to have a good ability to run an offense in an efficient manner that puts players where they really need to be. I see AK47 getting slightly better numbers for instance under Rubio. Love will still post his usual, but his number will be more effective as he won't have to fight so hard to get his. He will be more willing to help more on defense or in getting into the post to score.

[Euroleague]

Kevin Love not only has empty stats and stat pads like no one else, he's also a horrid defender.

Really overrated player.

[B-hoop]

I think Griffin has improved considerably his defense this year, lets see if Love can do the same.

[mentallooser]

I think Griffin has improved considerably his defense this year, lets see if Love can do the same.

Dirk did, I don't see why he couldn't. He's athletic enough and seems to have a gas tank for days at times. So I absolutely believe it is possible for him to become at least a non-liability on defense.

[Math2]

Kevin Love is similar to Blake Griffin, terrible defender, gets attention from flashy things (high numbers or nice dunks). Does not impact the game in the slightest.

:applause:

[b0bab0i]

I wouldn't call them empty, but they certainly don't reflect his actual impact on the game. For example, if Duncan or KG post something like 25/12, their team is probably winning the game, because those players also server as defensive anchors. Love, on the other hand, is a defensive liability. So, he may post impressive scoring and rebounding numbers, but those stats alone don't make him a top tier player. Same goes for a player like Blake Griffin.
Griffin is slowly starting to play defense, much improved from previous seasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaeI357Rqi4

[La Frescobaldi]

example: Providing poor defence, giving someone an open shot or too much room so you can chase a rebound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuIosnLpmvo&feature=fvst

Look at his piss poor defence half the time.

Now that particular game was KG out to make a defining statement about who is who in the NBA.

But I get what you mean on this too. It's like how can a guy be so far out of position. And if there's an area of the game that Love needs work, it's defense.

I wonder what Adelman is doing about defensive rotations, but just as important is the scoring the Wolves have put up - only 1 game over 100 so far in the season.
And a ton of games where they can only get into the 80s.

When you look at their games you see that the T Wolves really are losing in just one facet of the game: 3 ball.

Team Averages
FG% 0.423 - Opponent 0.435
3p% 0.277 - opponent 0.35
FT% 0.727 - .769
RPG 43.42 - opponent 41.17
APG 20.9 - opponent 18.6
SPG 8.00 - opponent 6.33
BPG 6.75 - opponent 5.58
TO 15.00 - opponent 14.5
PF19.25 - opponent 23.67
PPG 91.7 - opponent 92.8


Now I'm not comparing K Love to these players. But these are some of the guys I have heard people say, early in their careers they have "empty stats."
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bob McAdoo, Paul Pierce, Michael Jordan, Norm Nixon, Wilt Chamberlain, Bernard King, Kobe Bryant.

There's a lot more to it than that.

[swi7ch]

He's right though.

1) Wolves had a winning record with rubio and a losing recrod when Rubio went down.
2) Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows Love stat pads his rebounding numbers.

I'd give that guy a promotion if I were in charge.

[All Net]

They actually said that?

[hihellohi765]

On my stream from league pass I had GSW announcers. Are you sure it was Minny's announcers?

[dunksby]

No way the Wolves' announcers said that!

[pauk]

His defense, intangibles and closing ability/killer instinct is empty and his teammates are kindof empty to.

[chips93]

He's right though.

1) Wolves had a winning record with rubio and a losing recrod when Rubio went down.
2) Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows Love stat pads his rebounding numbers.

I'd give that guy a promotion if I were in charge.


poor logic

they had a winning record with love and rubio, and when rubio went down they had a losing record.

we havent seen the wolve woth rubio and without love, and only if they had a winning record without love and with rubio would this line of thinking make sense.

[dunksby]

Wolves will obviously have a better record with Rubio playing so it can't held against Love, they need their PG back.

[Euroleague]

Wolves will obviously have a better record with Rubio playing so it can't held against Love, they need their PG back.

Unless Rubio learned how to shoot, he will continue to be an offensive liability against any team that chooses to cut off his passing lanes.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So..OP is a Warriors fan and doesn't even know his teams announcers? :oldlol:

[selrahc]

Love's stats are empty just like LeBron's... Wade and Bosh are the ones who make the real impact for the heat. LeBron is just a stat sheet stuffer.

[Rekindled]

So..OP is a Warriors fan and doesn't even know his teams announcers? :oldlol:

op didnt lie, i had the twolves feed, the wolves announcers did say that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

op didnt lie, i had the twolves feed, the wolves announcers did say that.

I had one feed and it was a GSW broadcast.

http://bt.davka.info/ - you can find the recap there too

[chips93]

Not really. The way you score is important, as is when you score. Dominating the high and low post opens up the court more than hitting 3's and midrange jumpers. Racking up 25 points in Q 1-3 isn't the same as scoring 12 in the 4th. Bigmen that tend to play around the paint also draw more fouls, and as stated earlier, create more opportunities for their teammates.

but love hitting jumpers from the outside opens up the lane for his teammates to drive into.

look at love and rubio in the pick and roll. Loves defender cant leave him, so rubio, or any of the wolves guards for that matter, can get into the lane much easier.


It was the Warriors commentators that said that and you are paraphrasing. They said that Rubio has a bigger impact on the team than Love does as was shown last season.

They have a point. As good as Love is there are few players that can do what Rubio can do.

this seems like a pretty important post that people are ignoring

[Cali Syndicate]

So..OP is a Warriors fan and doesn't even know his teams announcers? :oldlol:


I watched the game through a live stream.

Not once did I see Jim Barnett or Bob Fitzgerald throughout the game.

The announcers I was listening to didn't sound like them either.

I also frequently during the game saw two announcers I'm unfamiliar with. The same two announcers who were talking about the game following the game as well.

If that was a Warriors broadcast, that's pretty crazy.

These are the announcers I heard...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1r6xtta-7g

Here's how Bob Fitzgerald sounds during a lot of Warriors games...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nve4f6FfOZo&feature=related