Is it time to move Bargnani? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Alan

11-25-2012, 05:05 PM

He's on my fantasy team. His efficiency is terrible and he does nothing but get points. When he's not scoring, he might as well not be out there
So you want him to be traded because he sucks for your fantasy team?

I haven't watched much of Raptors basketball this season. I know he's inconsistent and will never be a 50% shooter. Very few shooters are that efficient. My problem with this topic is that OP chose a game where he really struggled to suggest he should be traded. My wild guess is that konex doesn't watch many Raptors games.

Though I'm not saying that if a good trade proposal comes up, they shouldn't consider it.

EricGordon23

11-25-2012, 05:06 PM

Bargs for Wilson chandler

Qwyjibo

11-25-2012, 05:09 PM

Bargs for Wilson chandler
*looks at Chandler's contract*

Done.

Bcogswell

11-25-2012, 05:15 PM

I dont care if Bargnani would have dropped 50 today instead of shooting 2/19.

He is such a one dimensional jump-shooter who gets tunnel vision, forgets to play defence and oh yeah doesn't grab rebounds. He needed to get shipped out long ago, but I'd be surprised if he gets traded/waived/amnestied before BC gets fired.

HylianNightmare

11-25-2012, 05:16 PM

yes

kaiteng

11-25-2012, 05:19 PM

Bargnani for Pau Gasol seems like a great deal for both teams now. :oldlol: :ohwell:

Borat_Sagdyev

11-25-2012, 05:30 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/4tnkpj.jpg

kaiteng

11-25-2012, 05:32 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/4tnkpj.jpg
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Damn right :applause: :cheers: :ohwell:

konex

11-25-2012, 06:00 PM

So you want him to be traded because he sucks for your fantasy team?

LOL no. I actually do watch a lot of Raptors because they have many early games on weekends when nothing else is on.

In fact, I'd like Bargs on my Lakers as a roleplayer. I just don't think the Raptors need a jumpshooter having the kind of green light he does while Ed Davis rots on the bench. It doesn't matter that they gave DeRozan a nice deal, traded for Lowry and drafted the Euro center at 4th. Bargs still thinks he's "the man" and only a change of scenery will affect that mindset. A starting PF shooting under 40% with < 5 rpg is just unacceptable any way you slice it. It's happening because his shot selection is very questionable and he is super one-dimensional.

He is not a very good franchise player but he could be a great roleplayer

RandomBalla55

11-25-2012, 06:02 PM

D'Antoni would shit himself getting Bargnani..

A 3 point shooting PF? D'Antoni might as well be demanding Bargnani for Gasol..

Fudge

11-25-2012, 06:06 PM

One of, if not the worst starting PF in the league. Actually a toss up between he and Mullens. But at least Mullens can ****ing rebound.

n00bie

11-25-2012, 06:07 PM

IMO.. Raps will never improve as a team until Bargnani gets traded. Colangelo needs to admit he made a mistake and MOVE ON. Bargnani will never be the "franchise player" that BC believes he will become.

As a Raptors fan, I've lost interest in the team since they started marketing Bargnani as the "Star". I'm sick of watching Calderon / Bargnani pick & rolls.

Myth

11-25-2012, 06:11 PM

Wait, so does this mean he is no longer going to be the next Dirk?

iDunk

11-25-2012, 06:12 PM

He should be amnestied. He's made for the Euroleague.

Just2McFly

11-25-2012, 06:12 PM

:sleeping

n00bie

11-25-2012, 06:13 PM

Wait, so does this mean he is no longer going to be the next Dirk?

No real Raptors fans actually believed he would be the next Dirk. :banghead:

kaiteng

11-25-2012, 06:14 PM

He should be amnestied. He's made for the Euroleague.
Euroleague would diss V-Span for him! :oldlol:

kaiteng

11-25-2012, 06:14 PM

Wait, so does this mean he is no longer going to be the next Dirk?
Well, a hobo's Dirk.

Rubio2Gasol

11-25-2012, 06:17 PM

Somehow Calderon will get worked into the trade.

konex

12-06-2012, 01:38 AM

Bargnani is shooting under 40% after tonight :wtf:

Qwyjibo

12-06-2012, 01:41 AM

http://blogimages.thescore.com/raptorblog/files/2011/05/110525-colangelo-590px.jpg

"My daddy let me ride in the front seat today!"

kaiteng

12-06-2012, 01:43 AM

Bargnani is shooting under 40% after tonight :wtf:
Unfortunately. :(

There were some glimpses of better him from injury-ridden last season, but not a lot so far for whatever reasons.

el gringos

12-06-2012, 02:07 AM

There is no better fit for the Knicks than Bargnani. Carmelo and he would compliment each other perfectly because of Carmelo's post game and bargnanis perimeter game.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 02:34 AM

He may as well play SF. I'm serious. He'd get torched, but he gets torched now and on top of getting torched his entire team suffers for the work they put in for him.

He's not Dirk. And the truth is that you need someone inside. Valanciunas is still a rookie. Besides, Bargnani doesn't even seem to be interested in high basketball IQ, at least as a star. He just stands around.

There is no better fit for the Knicks than Bargnani. Carmelo and he would compliment each other perfectly because of Carmelo's post game and bargnanis perimeter game.

So his lack of rebounding doesn't hurt us? We're a terrible rebounding team.

It's not just offense. Give me Ryan Anderson, but don't give me Bargnani. He'd make us worse. Period.

And I don't know why you believe Melo needs a stretch 4. I just don't get it. He can do the same damage with two 7footers. Give me Nene.

bdreason

12-06-2012, 03:06 AM

You don't sell low. Trying to trade Bargnani right now would be tough. At least wait for him to have a few good games... guy has been complete garbage this year.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:18 AM

Won't change a damn thing.

I'm not going to be the guy who blames him for everything or the majority of what's wrong with this team. Offensively, we are joke. We simply aren't giving people the ball in the best spots, the execution is horrible and the play-calling is almost mythical.

Casey needs to go. BC needs to go. Everyone needs to go. Players last.

I can't expect anything out of the team when the GM is horrible at his job. When the coach isn't benching people for routinely taking horrible shots out of their range. (Why is Amir taking shots almost all the way out in three point land multiple times in games this year? Hasn't the novelty of bricking them badly worn off yet?)

I can't even trust our GM to not get ripped off in a trade scenario anymore. If Toronto is serious about being a successful franchise then it's time to get a big name coach who actually draws up more than three plays and holds players accountable. Before that, they need executives that don't have their head up their ass. That Landry Fields was the last straw for me.

Trading Bargs is just a band aid. We aren't headed anywhere either way. This team and franchise is simply garbage. Toronto doesn't deserve this. We're still stumbling after more than 15 years of being in the league. If this keeps up for another 15, I wouldn't mind this abomination of a franchise being contracted.

I've never been this disgusted with everything from top to bottom. I'm in the same state of mind that Kobe was in that parking lot early in 2007, I just want asses shipped out by the boatloads. I've had enough of this garbage. We're slowly becoming Clippers East.

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:30 AM

As long as Colangelo is there, he'll stay put.

He's the only player that makes me facepalm when I watch him play. I don't even think I'd swap Perk for him, as bad as Perk has been for us this season.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 03:44 AM

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:51 AM

Bargnani is going to be the NBA's Chris Carpenter.

Euroleague

12-06-2012, 06:44 AM

Bargnani is an absolutely horrible player.

Euroleague

12-06-2012, 06:44 AM

Euroleague would diss V-Span for him! :oldlol:

He's been absolutely terrible every time he played for Italy's national team.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 07:17 AM

The Hawks have a bunch of expirers and we can send a first round pick (top 8 protected), and AB wouldn't be bad as a backup at center/power forward.

He's still relatively young. A change of scenery would do him a lot of good.

Look at what has happened with Aundray Blatche - 19/11 in the last game.
Picks and cap space have value. Bigs that don't rebound or defend do not. He's just a jumpshooter and not even a good one at this point. Regressing due to an obvious lack of work ethic. Does he work on anything other than his J? Looks like he's never touched a weight.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 08:06 AM

Picks and cap space have value. Bigs that don't rebound or defend do not. He's just a jumpshooter and not even a good one at this point. Regressing due to an obvious lack of work ethic. Does he work on anything other than his J? Looks like he's never touched a weight.

He knows every year that the Raptors don't have any chance of winning, and that affects guys.

A change of scenery might do him good.

Cap space and picks would be good if the Raptors decide to blow up the roster. Calderon expires, so the Raptors would clear out 20-22 million in cap space.

Who knows what BC is trying to do. I don't think he does himself.

heavensdevil

12-06-2012, 09:47 AM

Casey needs to go. BC needs to go. Everyone needs to go. Players last.

Casey is fine, hes a good coach. I think Bargnani is just struggling mentally right now, last year he showed signs of serious all-star potential, probably would have made the team had he not been injured.

Bcogswell

12-06-2012, 10:59 AM

Casey is fine, hes a good coach. I think Bargnani is just struggling mentally right now, last year he showed signs of serious all-star potential, probably would have made the team had he not been injured.

It was only 13 games. As the past has shown it is much more likely that Bargnani playing poorly is what we can and should expect while the 13 good games is just an inconsistent blimp on radar that is his career. :facepalm

As far as Casey, I would say he is an OK coach but I definitely wouldn't say he is a good coach. His rotations have been questionable at best (although improving), he is unwilling to bench players when they are playing bad (yet willing to bench players that are playing well), has horrible play calling and can't manage to get his players to hold it together throughout a fourth quarter. :no:

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 11:25 AM

He knows every year that the Raptors don't have any chance of winning, and that affects guys.

A change of scenery might do him good.

Cap space and picks would be good if the Raptors decide to blow up the roster. Calderon expires, so the Raptors would clear out 20-22 million in cap space.

Who knows what BC is trying to do. I don't think he does himself.
You misunderstand me. I'm saying the space and picks are too valuable for ATL to give them up for the second biggest bust since Kwame Brown (poor Darko). You can't excuse his shit play on the Raptor's hopelessness when he is at the core of that hopelessness, the #1 pick that cannot be fit into a good starting five due to him not being quick enough to guard on the perimeter as a three and too soft to rebound or defend the paint like a big. All he does is shoot, and when that's the only thing you do you can't be shooting 40%, especially not as an alleged big. Do you realize he grabs one rebound every 8 minutes? Why would the Hawks want this guy?

oamjad13

12-06-2012, 11:33 AM

It is absolutely the time to move him.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 12:03 PM

Casey is fine, hes a good coach. I think Bargnani is just struggling mentally right now, last year he showed signs of serious all-star potential, probably would have made the team had he not been injured.
Good coach?

He came in touted as a defensive specialist yet our team continually fails to understand the concept of defense. He's limited as hell offensively, his play calling sucks, etc.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying the space and picks are too valuable for ATL to give them up for the second biggest bust since Kwame Brown (poor Darko). You can't excuse his shit play on the Raptor's hopelessness when he is at the core of that hopelessness, the #1 pick that cannot be fit into a good starting five due to him not being quick enough to guard on the perimeter as a three and too soft to rebound or defend the paint like a big. All he does is shoot, and when that's the only thing you do you can't be shooting 40%, especially not as an alleged big. Do you realize he grabs one rebound every 8 minutes? Why would the Hawks want this guy?

You really hate Bargs... he's nowhere close to the second biggest bust since Kwame Brown, that's beyond irrational and you should take that back.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 12:28 PM

You misunderstand me. I'm saying the space and picks are too valuable for ATL to give them up for the second biggest bust since Kwame Brown (poor Darko). You can't excuse his shit play on the Raptor's hopelessness when he is at the core of that hopelessness, the #1 pick that cannot be fit into a good starting five due to him not being quick enough to guard on the perimeter as a three and too soft to rebound or defend the paint like a big. All he does is shoot, and when that's the only thing you do you can't be shooting 40%, especially not as an alleged big. Do you realize he grabs one rebound every 8 minutes? Why would the Hawks want this guy?

1. With James Harden gone, there is no really big FA the Hawks would consider. Howard is staying with the Lakers, and Paul will stay with the Clippers. Bynum will stay in Philadelphia - they have to commit at least 3 years with him at max money. There are no other big FAs who will bolt their teams.
2. AB would play 25-28 minutes, with Pachulia backing him up.
3. His shooting would be beneficial.
4. If he's in a situation where he can win, then he would adapt to his teammates pushing him on defense and rebounding.
5. He's better than what we have now, which is Johan Petro.
6. His contract is 2 years after this season.
7. He would be insurance in case Josh Smith bolts to the Rockets or another team.
8. A change of scenery will do him good, like it did for Aundray Blatche.
9. For what is out there, he is a great option. The other players out there are Gasol (not coming to Hawks due to contract), Drew Gooden (not the worst option), Andris Biedrins (possibly), and then I don't know who else.

Honestly, I wish the Hawks had taken a flyer on Aundray Blatche. But that is done now, and I don't see him leaving NJ anytime soon.

This year, AB could contribute more to the Hawks than say Devin Harris and Johan Petro, since the Hawks are guard-heavy and need another big.

Put him in as a fourth or fifth option, and the pressure is off for him to produce. He'll help space the floor for the other players on offense and provide size on defense.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 12:38 PM

madmax

12-06-2012, 01:01 PM

Bargnani is an absolutely horrible player.

agreed...
the worst part of his game is even when he's hitting his shots Raptors are still losing the games on the defensive end. It's a lose-lose situation with this fella really. He should be amnestied or go back to Europe, where his shooting touch and skills would fit so much better

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 01:23 PM

You really hate Bargs... he's nowhere close to the second biggest bust since Kwame Brown, that's beyond irrational and you should take that back.
Why? 16 points, 4 rebounds and 40% shooting from a #1 pick in his prime is a colossal bust. He's supposed to be a franchise player and instead is flat-out bad. What did I say that isn't true? Try making a point this time.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 01:26 PM

1. With James Harden gone, there is no really big FA the Hawks would consider. Howard is staying with the Lakers, and Paul will stay with the Clippers. Bynum will stay in Philadelphia - they have to commit at least 3 years with him at max money. There are no other big FAs who will bolt their teams.
2. AB would play 25-28 minutes, with Pachulia backing him up.
3. His shooting would be beneficial.
4. If he's in a situation where he can win, then he would adapt to his teammates pushing him on defense and rebounding.
5. He's better than what we have now, which is Johan Petro.
6. His contract is 2 years after this season.
7. He would be insurance in case Josh Smith bolts to the Rockets or another team.
8. A change of scenery will do him good, like it did for Aundray Blatche.
9. For what is out there, he is a great option. The other players out there are Gasol (not coming to Hawks due to contract), Drew Gooden (not the worst option), Andris Biedrins (possibly), and then I don't know who else.

Honestly, I wish the Hawks had taken a flyer on Aundray Blatche. But that is done now, and I don't see him leaving NJ anytime soon.

This year, AB could contribute more to the Hawks than say Devin Harris and Johan Petro, since the Hawks are guard-heavy and need another big.

Put him in as a fourth or fifth option, and the pressure is off for him to produce. He'll help space the floor for the other players on offense and provide size on defense.
I'm not giving up a first and cap space for 25 minutes of flawed big man. You can believe in him though. whatever.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 01:33 PM

One last thing, for the Hawks, AB at center with Zaza frees up Al to concentrate on power forward and Josh at small forward. So AB's outside shooting would complement Al and Josh on the low post.

AB's never really played with a good low post player to open the floor for him, and Al and Josh are good on the low post.

AB at center saves wear and tear on Al.

I'm sorry, but your post is very stupid.

Why would a legit combo PF/C (which Al Horford unquestionably is) play PF, in order to accommodate a stretch 4 play C? On your team, Bargnani should play SF, not C. That's absurd.

You wanna save the team from the full wear and tear of the playoffs.

Zan Tabak

12-06-2012, 01:38 PM

Just thinking, if Gasol is getting ripped by Kobe and the Lakers for lack of effort. What will they think of Bargnani's half-azzed play?

Bargs would get chewed alive in L.A :oldlol:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 01:41 PM

Why? 16 points, 4 rebounds and 40% shooting from a #1 pick in his prime is a colossal bust. He's supposed to be a franchise player and instead is flat-out bad. What did I say that isn't true? Try making a point this time.
You are f*cking delusional if you think he's a bigger bust than Greg Oden or Marvin Williams.

Don't respond like a dick when you don't know what you are even talking about. Try reading a post without being a dumbass, smh.

heavensdevil

12-06-2012, 01:42 PM

He came in touted as a defensive specialist yet our team continually fails to understand the concept of defense. He's limited as hell offensively, his play calling sucks, etc.

The raptors were most improved defensive team last year under Casey. This current squad just needs to get with the program.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 01:44 PM

The raptors were most improved defensive team last year under Casey. This current squad just needs to get with the program.
Current squad? You're acted like we don't have most of our roster from last year intact.

heavensdevil

12-06-2012, 01:59 PM

Current squad? You're acted like we don't have most of our roster from last year intact.

We dont... a lot of new players this year. Val,Lowry,Fields... thats 3 new players that were STARTING for us earlier this year... 3 out of 5 is already a big difference... then you add T.Ross... Pietrus, not an easy transition.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 02:07 PM

I'm sorry, but your post is very stupid.

Why would a legit combo PF/C (which Al Horford unquestionably is) play PF, in order to accommodate a stretch 4 play C? On your team, Bargnani should play SF, not C. That's absurd.

You wanna save the team from the full wear and tear of the playoffs.

No it isn't stupid.
Al is better suited as a power forward, but the Hawks don't have a full time center. Zaza is great, but he is limited to 25 mpg due to wear and tear.
AB would be there to complement Al, not the other way around.
AB would be the 4th or 5th option on offense.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 02:08 PM

No it isn't stupid.
Al is better suited as a power forward, but the Hawks don't have a full time center. Zaza is great, but he is limited to 25 mpg due to wear and tear.
AB would be there to complement Al, not the other way around.
AB would be the 4th or 5th option on offense.

I don't care about options or complements. Explain to me how Bargnani is suited to playing center next to me, much less to a professional who can play the post.

Name one thing he does, outside of his height.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 02:10 PM

I'm not giving up a first and cap space for 25 minutes of flawed big man. You can believe in him though. whatever.

He's overpaid, yes. I don't expect miracles.
But is he better than what we have? Absolutely.
Can he fill in for 25-30 mpg at center and help out Al and Josh and Zaza? Yes.

The other option out there is Al Harrington for Johan Petro and some of the end of benchers. His contract isn't too bad for a reserve big, and Orlando might want to send him out to get cap space.

The Hawks are real small this year with no Jason Collins and Erick Dampier.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 02:13 PM

I don't care about options or complements. Explain to me how Bargnani is suited to playing center next to me, much less to a professional who can play the post.

Name one thing he does, outside of his height.

Well, if he can't do one thing, that means he has had some truly wretched coaching in Toronto. Which is probably the case.

He can shoot the ball if wide-open. And he is tall and has some size.

As a 4th or 5th option he's perfect. The problem in Toronto is that he is the first or second option. He'll be behind Smith, Horford, Teague, Korver, Stevenson, Williams, Morrow.

And anyone who can play some minutes at center allows Al to move to power forward, which is where he is best suited.

Are you a Hawks fan or just an AB hater?

I'm realistic. I'm not expecting miracles. I'm expecting someone who can have an occasional good game and contribute more than Johan Petro can.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 02:18 PM

We dont... a lot of new players this year. Val,Lowry,Fields... thats 3 new players that were STARTING for us earlier this year... 3 out of 5 is already a big difference... then you add T.Ross... Pietrus, not an easy transition.
most of those guys are athletic and put in effort on defense, the transition shouldn't be this hard.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 02:19 PM

All the Raptors fans should be thrilled with my arguments, saying "Cap space and a first round pick and getting rid of watching AB? Please God, make this happen."

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 02:22 PM

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 02:24 PM

You are f*cking delusional if you think he's a bigger bust than Greg Oden or Marvin Williams.

Don't respond like a dick when you don't know what you are even talking about. Try reading a post without being a dumbass, smh.
I'll give you Oden, although that's a bust with an injury asterisk. Williams on the other hand is not a number 1 pick. You are throwing a tantrum over 1 or 2 spots and I could care less about your hurt feelings. You need to rub Barg's softness on that butthurt.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 02:27 PM

I'll give you Oden, although that's a bust with an injury asterisk. Williams on the other hand is not a number 1 pick. You are throwing a tantrum over 1 or 2 spots and I could care less about your hurt feelings. You need to rub Barg's softness on that butthurt.
My feelings aren't hurt you imbecile. I countered your point in a mature fashion and you responded like a dick, then I put you in your place. Now you are trying to say that I am hurt...you aren't anything other than a troll. Try to make a point next time.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 02:40 PM

My feelings aren't hurt you imbecile. I countered your point in a mature fashion and you responded like a dick, then I put you in your place. Now you are trying to say that I am hurt...you aren't anything other than a troll. Try to make a point next time.
You call this rant mature? lol, keep crying online, Bargs sucks. Deal with it.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 02:45 PM

You call this rant mature? lol, keep crying online, Bargs sucks. Deal with it.
Ladies and gentlemen, this incompetent asshole is your mod.:applause: :bowdown:

You are a dumbass, no one is crying except for your defensive ass.:roll:

Try to find a post in this thread where I said Bargs wasn't a bust, or that he wasn't horrible. Your argument has no basis yet you continue to post garbage.

I'm hurt because I don't talk out of my ass and call other people hurt? This is the crux of your argument? Please.

Aren't you like 30? :lol

http://youtu.be/eAAw05J-6ek

Learn this phrase and utter it to yourself whenever you are about to troll like you're 15 or younger.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 03:02 PM

The other team that should strongly consider AB is Charlotte - they can send out Diop.

AB can provide some scoring at the bigs that they are seriously lacking, and Charlotte isn't going to get any big name free agents next summer anyway.

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:08 PM

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 03:10 PM

:biggums:

Diop is an expirer.

:biggums: :biggums:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:15 PM

I didn't neg anyone, how salty are you right now? :roll:

http://imageshack.us/a/img15/9429/inywfe1tikwey.gif

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:19 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, this incompetent asshole is your mod.:applause: :bowdown:

You are a dumbass, no one is crying except for your defensive ass.:roll:

Try to find a post in this thread where I said Bargs wasn't a bust, or that he wasn't horrible. Your argument has no basis yet you continue to post garbage.

I'm hurt because I don't talk out of my ass and call other people hurt? This is the crux of your argument? Please.

Aren't you like 30? :lol

http://youtu.be/eAAw05J-6ek

Learn this phrase and utter it to yourself whenever you are about to troll like you're 15 or younger.
So much :mad: in this post that you have to bring age into the discussion. That's when you know.

:lol

Bargs is garbage, deal with it. Has been for a while now.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:22 PM

So much :mad: in this post that you have to bring age into the discussion. That's when you know.

:lol

Bargs is garbage, deal with it. Has been for a while now.
Following me in multiple threads because RG shat on you.:oldlol:

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:24 PM

Following me in multiple threads because RG shat on you.:oldlol:
Not at all, I have an eye for butthurt posts when I see them. These were one of them. :oldlol:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:25 PM

Not at all, I have an eye for butthurt posts when I see them. These were one of them. :oldlol:
Isn't RG still waiting for his response?

You just gonna avoid that for a couple days , huh?

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:29 PM

Isn't RG still waiting for his response?

You just gonna avoid that for a couple days , huh?
:roll:

Ignorant, just like your boy RG. If you didn't notice, he was the one that didn't respond. He needed to call up his little boys to counter his arguments with emoticons and youtube links. :oldlol:

Next.

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:33 PM

:roll:

Ignorant, just like your boy RG. If you didn't notice, he was the one that didn't respond. He needed to call up his little boys to counter his arguments with emoticons and youtube links. :oldlol:

Next.
You have no idea who you are even talking to, I'm the one that got his original account banned. Now he's my boy? Try harder.

I'm sensing so much frustration and anger from your posts. Want to share the underlying causes? I already know some of it stems from not being able to express yourself the way you want to be perceived.

It's hilarious to see you fighting with trolls when you are just another fanboy who gets attention once in a while.

If you honestly believe you aren't a troll, then find where I said Bargs wasn't terrible or a bust in this thread. Because only a troll would falsify information for an argument.

*Kendrick Lamar* I'll wait....

Your rebuttal a little too late

/Kendrick

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:39 PM

You have no idea who you are even talking to, I'm the one that got his original account banned. Now he's my boy? Try harder.
I'm supposed to know who you are? You joined this year, you didn't get anything banned.

I'm sensing so much frustration and anger from your posts. Want to share the underlying causes? I already know some of it stems from not being able to express yourself the way you want to be perceived.
If you wanna see anger, look at one of your posts that i quoted above. Now for me, i like to have fun. Calling my country stupid, calling me a fanboy, a bandwagoner, i soak that all in. Unlike you, i dont get all hurt just because a few posters call my favorite player a bum.

It's hilarious to see you fighting with trolls when you are just another fanboy who gets attention once in a while.
You got RG's original account banned, according to you. You'd know a lot about fighting trolls.

How am i a fanboy? Of who? When was the last time i made a Durant or McGrady thread? Find some new material guy. :oldlol:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 03:43 PM

There are other emotions outside of anger. You can express them once you realize that every post doesn't need to be donned with a various confection of smileys.

I curse. Cursing is quite common in my generation. Cursing doesn't mean that I'm mad and it's kinda sad that you need to be explained to you.

We live in the same country and you can be a fanboy with creating threads. That shouldn't even be news to anyone who has spent over 10 minutes here.

Still waiting for that Bargs info. Link me to post in this thread where I denied him being horrible and a bust.

Fudge

12-06-2012, 03:50 PM

There are other emotions outside of anger. You can express them once you realize that every post doesn't need to be donned with a various confection of smileys.
Bitter a better word? You came out of your little rock right when somebody called Bargs a bust. I may not go that far in calling him one, but if one man thinks so, who gives a shit.

I curse. Cursing is quite common in my generation. Cursing doesn't mean that I'm mad and it's kinda sad that you need to be explained to you.
Cursing and cursing at somebody in reply to a discussion is different. You did the latter, therefore i took that you seemed a bit salty.

We live in the same country and you can be a fanboy with creating threads. That shouldn't even be news to anyone who has spent over 10 minutes here.
So how am i a "fanboy" exactly? :confusedshrug:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 04:07 PM

Bitter a better word? You came out of your little rock right when somebody called Bargs a bust. I may not go that far in calling him one, but if one man thinks so, who gives a shit.

So how am i a "fanboy" exactly? :confusedshrug:

You have no idea what you are talking about.

He called Bargs the second worst Bust since Kwame Brown which is dumb and deserves to be called out.

How are you calling me all these things when you aren't aware of the origin of this discussion? Do you routinely just stroll into threads and start posting without any clue as to what's being discussed and why.

Cursing and cursing at somebody in reply to a discussion is different. You did the latter, therefore i took that you seemed a bit salty.

Not really. I could tell you gtfo and not feel a thing. I would just rather not talk to invalids.

TryToBeUnbias

12-06-2012, 04:09 PM

Antawn Jamison's numbers from last season (similar role as Bargs):

17.2 PPG on 40.3% FG, 34.1% 3PT, 6.3 RPG, 2.0 APG

Andrea Bargnani's numbers from this season:

16.8 PPG on 39.5% FG, 32.1% 3PT, 4.6 RPG, 1.5 APG

It may be time to move him, but not to LA.

Fudge

12-06-2012, 04:17 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about.

He called Bargs the second worst Bust since Kwame Brown which is dumb and deserves to be called out.
He's that damn bad, thats why. He doesn't rebound, defend, he's inconsistant, an average post game. He was projected to be somewhat of a Dirk type player coming in. When his shot is falling, what use does he have on the court? Absolutely nothing. I could see why people go as far as calling him a bust.

How are you calling me all these things when you aren't aware of the origin of this discussion? Do you routinely just stroll into threads and start posting without any clue as to what's being discussed and why.

Exactly how you came into my thread with RG wasn't it? The irony. :oldlol:

Just2McFly

12-06-2012, 04:20 PM

He's that damn bad, thats why. He doesn't rebound, defend, he's inconsistant, an average post game. He was projected to be somewhat of a Dirk type player coming in. When his shot is falling, what use does he have on the court? Absolutely nothing. I could see why people go as far as calling him a bust.

Exactly how you came into my thread with RG wasn't it? The irony. :oldlol:
He can be called a bust but he's not the second worst, or anywhere near it. He still plays and doesn't have glass knees like Oden and Roy, he wasn't as disappointing as Marvin Williams and Emeka Okafor, I could go on.

I obviously knew what was going on in that thread before responding, lol.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 04:31 PM

Well, if he can't do one thing, that means he has had some truly wretched coaching in Toronto. Which is probably the case.

He can shoot the ball if wide-open. And he is tall and has some size.

As a 4th or 5th option he's perfect. The problem in Toronto is that he is the first or second option. He'll be behind Smith, Horford, Teague, Korver, Stevenson, Williams, Morrow.

And anyone who can play some minutes at center allows Al to move to power forward, which is where he is best suited.

Are you a Hawks fan or just an AB hater?

I'm realistic. I'm not expecting miracles. I'm expecting someone who can have an occasional good game and contribute more than Johan Petro can.

I'm neither, tho I don't particularly like him. But I get everything you're saying. I'm asking one reason why he should play C, not one reason why you should get him.

The worst thing that ever happened to this guy was people looking at his height and, in turn, playing him at C for most his career. He's nothing resembling a C. He's much less a center than Dirk is. There's nothing about his game that has anything to do with playing C. So much so that him as a stretch 4 is, itself, a stretch.

Any team that plays him at C is going to miss the playoffs. He has talent. Playing him as a backup C is still a bit iffy. But in that case, the guy behind ahead of him has to be a defending and rebounding beast, who he can come in for and then focus on being the big man equivalent of a combo guard off the bench. That's still a stretch. Zaza gives you no reason to do that with Bargnani. Bargnani gives no one a reason to start him at C, unless they want to tank for the draft and build up his trade value with empty stats.

Lastly, his contract could be great if he played up to some kind of potential, but he's not and he has a few years left on it. Ferry is trying to clear all your contracts and not use the amnesty. He somehow did that with Williams and Johnson. Why would he take on Bargnani? Unless you are -contrary to what you've stated- looking for a miracle, then there is no value to taking him on.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 04:33 PM

A change of scenery and a strong team with a defensive culture could do wonders for AB.

I completely agree with you. But any culture that plays him at center is prejudiced against defense.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 04:36 PM

He can be called a bust but he's not the second worst, or anywhere near it. He still plays and doesn't have glass knees like Oden and Roy, he wasn't as disappointing as Marvin Williams and Emeka Okafor, I could go on.

I obviously knew what was going on in that thread before responding, lol.
Okafor averaged a double-double. Roy was an All-Star. You could go on but it would just be further nonsense.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 04:51 PM

I'm neither, tho I don't particularly like him. But I get everything you're saying. I'm asking one reason why he should play C, not one reason why you should get him.

The worst thing that ever happened to this guy was people looking at his height and, in turn, playing him at C for most his career. He's nothing resembling a C. He's much less a center than Dirk is. There's nothing about his game that has anything to do with playing C. So much so that him as a stretch 4 is, itself, a stretch.

Any team that plays him at C is going to miss the playoffs. He has talent. Playing him as a backup C is still a bit iffy. But in that case, the guy behind ahead of him has to be a defending and rebounding beast, who he can come in for and then focus on being the big man equivalent of a combo guard off the bench. That's still a stretch. Zaza gives you no reason to do that with Bargnani. Bargnani gives no one a reason to start him at C, unless they want to tank for the draft and build up his trade value with empty stats.

Lastly, his contract could be great if he played up to some kind of potential, but he's not and he has a few years left on it. Ferry is trying to clear all your contracts and not use the amnesty. He somehow did that with Williams and Johnson. Why would he take on Bargnani? Unless you are -contrary to what you've stated- looking for a miracle, then there is no value to taking him on.

So if Toronto moved him to small forward and got someone else to play center, how much better do you think he would be? Could he be an All-Star level player? A solid player? Something else.

Is he better suited as a 6th man at the small forward position, with some power forward time when his team goes to small ball.

Maybe that would be a better situation for him, instead of the Raptors forcing him to play center.

And for the Hawks, as a sixth man at the three and four, that would still be beneficial. Our small forward now is Stevenson, who gives up a lot of height. Josh plays some small forward and he isn't a great outside shooter. Ivan Johnson is limited. Korver is too small.

As a sixth man at 3 and 4, he could play 28-30 minutes and provide some size and outside shooting. And even play some center when the team goes to small ball.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 04:55 PM

What scoring three could Bargnani defend? It might be better than having him at the 5 but he's still going to get killed.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 05:00 PM

What scoring three could Bargnani defend? It might be better than having him at the 5 but he's still going to get killed.

If he can't play proper defense at 7 feet tall and 260 lbs, then that is combination of lack of effort and some seriously bad coaching.

He's in his seventh year now.

There's something seriously wrong if he can't defend at the center position.

Or put him at the small forward and force another team to have to go big to defend him.

Toronto has done something seriously wrong with him as a player.

F-cking hire a real coach by paying real money so this doesn't happen again.

But the owners clearly don't care.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 05:04 PM

If he can't play proper defense at 7 feet tall and 260 lbs, then that is combination of lack of effort and some seriously bad coaching.

He's in his seventh year now.

There's something seriously wrong if he can't defend at the center position.
Coaching may have been a problem, effort is definitely a problem. Whatever the reason his D isn't good enough.

hawkfan

12-06-2012, 05:09 PM

Coaching may have been a problem, effort is definitely a problem. Whatever the reason his D isn't good enough.

Then he definitely needs to be traded.
And go to a team that has a strong defensive culture.
The Hawks definitely have that with Horford, Smith, Pachulia, Teague.
He would have to step up effort-wise big time, but he would have pushing him. And he would have at least some solid coaching.

Seventh year there, it's time for him to move on.

But teams don't like to move bigs.

Washington waived Aundray Blatche and now he is getting his act together, on the court and off. Just had 19-11 in his last game.

The Raptors would be concerned that as soon as he gets traded, he goes somewhere, works on his defense and becomes a solid all-around player.

Real Men Wear Green

12-06-2012, 05:16 PM

Then he definitely needs to be traded.
And go to a team that has a strong defensive culture.
The Hawks definitely have that with Horford, Smith, Pachulia, Teague.
He would have to step up effort-wise big time, but he would have pushing him. And he would have at least some solid coaching.

Seventh year there, it's time for him to move on.

But teams don't like to move bigs.

Washington waived Aundray Blatche and now he is getting his act together, on the court and off. Just had 19-11 in his last game.

The Raptors would be concerned that as soon as he gets traded, he goes somewhere, works on his defense and becomes a solid all-around player.
Maybe peer pressure changes him but I wouldn't bet on it. He doesn't lift weights, he doesn't hustle, he doesn't fight for position. He just strikes me as a guy that doesn't want to strain himself. Guys like that don't defend.

Whoah10115

12-06-2012, 05:17 PM

So if Toronto moved him to small forward and got someone else to play center, how much better do you think he would be? Could he be an All-Star level player? A solid player? Something else.

Is he better suited as a 6th man at the small forward position, with some power forward time when his team goes to small ball.

Maybe that would be a better situation for him, instead of the Raptors forcing him to play center.

And for the Hawks, as a sixth man at the three and four, that would still be beneficial. Our small forward now is Stevenson, who gives up a lot of height. Josh plays some small forward and he isn't a great outside shooter. Ivan Johnson is limited. Korver is too small.

As a sixth man at 3 and 4, he could play 28-30 minutes and provide some size and outside shooting. And even play some center when the team goes to small ball.

He's not playing C anymore. Valanciunas is and he might be very good if Casey actually lets him stay in the game.

If Bargnani came off the bench, it wouldn't be as a 3. It would be as a 4 or maybe a 5 and only in that case could he play 5.

Now, as far as him at SF. He gets destroyed by people anyway. Getting destroyed by Lebron 1v1 is better than getting killed inside and needing everyone to cover him inside, provide the help for the center, and crash the boards for him. At the 3 he could get away with getting demolished more than he could at the 4. How much worse a defender could he really be?

Ideally, he plays as a stretch 4 next to Howard or Asik. Those are likely the two best fits for him. The Bulls could maybe get away with it because Boozer is a garbage defender himself, and the team is a great rebounding team. But Boozer rebounds and Noah isn't a true center. But if he can't do that, then playing at SF might not be the worst thing in the world. It is certainly worth it for Toronto to try, as he can't be any worse. As Barkley says, a PF who averages 6RPG is a SF. Bargnani better be reaching for 6.

Lastly, on the Hawks...either off the bench with Williams (would be a hell of a scoring punch) or start him along with Horford and Smith. Defensively, he'd have a solid defender and hard-worker in Horford behind him, and he'd have Smith playmaking on D around him. The character of Atlanta has been called into question before (and fairly) but they did as well as they did last year without Horford, and now they're playing like this without Johnson (for all my criticism, he is a good player). And they're doing this with Larry Drew managing in-game like...Larry Drew. Would they get the best out of Bargnani? I would hope so. But with him hanging on the perimeter, it would make it more difficult for Josh to get stuck out there like he sometimes does (tho he's shooting the 3 well this year). It's not a dominant rebounding team, but it's at least solid.

hawkfan

12-07-2012, 06:28 AM

Why didn't the Raptors keep Reggie Evans when they had him?
Dude is a rebounding machine and AB is the worst rebounding big of all-time.

wagexslave

12-07-2012, 07:02 AM

Who's better Bargnani or Beasley? Or are they pretty much equal? Both hyped up high draft picks that are playing terrible, both 1 dimensional players(if not 0 dimensional), both don't put enough effort into getting better, both rarely play D, etc...

Bargs has the height advantage and shooting advantage, and Beas has the speed advantage. Which scrub wins the golden turd award?

wally_world

12-07-2012, 07:15 AM

As a Suns fan i dont mind him in a Suns uniform. Whats a trade we can work for him?

Amare for Bargnani + Calderon if all else fails lol

Whoah10115

12-07-2012, 12:51 PM

Why didn't the Raptors keep Reggie Evans when they had him?
Dude is a rebounding machine and AB is the worst rebounding big of all-time.

I don't know. Do the Nets realize he's better than Humphries? They should.

Just2McFly

12-07-2012, 08:57 PM

Okafor averaged a double-double. Roy was an All-Star. You could go on but it would just be further nonsense.
Stop fabricating info.

Okafor never averaged a double double nor was he ever a good rebounder, just average.

The Roy and Oden was a comparison made on health, not play obviously. You said it yourself, you draft someone high to be a franchise player which Roy was for like three seasons, then his knees exploded. He didn't pan out and cost the franchise dearly. Oden never got it together sadly.

My point was that your sensationalism is beyond idiotic. He's not the second worst bust since Kwame. There are multiple busts that are way worse than him. Okafor, Gordon, Morrison, Darko ( as you admitted), Yi Jianlian, Beasley, Joe Alexander and others.

In fact he's in top 5 best players out of his draft class. I don't understand people here, things would be way better if you just admitted you were wrong instead of the incessant arguing using childish insults. You should actually research previous draft classes before becoming so confident in your flawed logic.

You've been shitting on Bargs every chance for the past two years that I've noticed and I wonder why he's such an emotional topic for you.

He sucks this year, he should be better. He probably doesn't want to be in Toronto anymore. Fans for the most part don't want him here. I haven't said otherwise.

Real Men Wear Green

12-07-2012, 09:04 PM

Stop fabricating info.

Okafor never averaged a double double nor was he ever a good rebounder, just average.Career fabrication (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/emeka_okafor/)

The Roy and Oden was a comparison made on health, not play obviously. You said it yourself, you draft someone high to be a franchise player which Roy was for like three seasons, then his knees exploded. He didn't pan out and cost the franchise dearly. Oden never got it together sadly. You're an idiot.

My point was that your sensationalism is beyond idiotic. He's not the second worst bust since Kwame. There are multiple busts that are way worse than him. Okafor, Gordon, Morrison, Darko ( as you admitted), Yi Jianlian, Beasley, Joe Alexander and others.He's the first pick in the draft, he gets held to a higher standard than a guy like Morrison. Are you capable of understanding this complex concept?

Just2McFly

12-07-2012, 09:10 PM

Career fabrication (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/emeka_okafor/)
You're an idiot.

He's the first pick in the draft, he gets held to a higher standard than a guy like Morrison. Are you capable of understanding this complex concept?
:facepalm

I was looking at the wrong column on basketball reference. My bad.

How am I idiot for the Roy-Oden thing? Both were high lottery picks that didn't pan out in the end.

Bolded is just dumb as shit. Morrison was drafted two spots behind AB and has been riding the pine/out of the league for years now.

Point is, Bargnani is not the second biggest bust since Darko any way you slice it.

el gringos

12-07-2012, 09:11 PM

How is this not obvious. Bargnani needs to get the the New York Knicks and the raptors need to shed their other bad contracts, and get a new core piece or two in the process.

Qwyjibo

12-07-2012, 09:11 PM

In fact he's in top 5 best players out of his draft class.
Well, he isn't. Even though some of those guys were obviously never in consideration for even a top 10 pick, they're still better than Bargnani now.

Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry and Millsap. All better than Bargnani right now. Roy probably provided more value in his shortened career than Bargnani will in his entire career too. Then his legs blew up. So 6th at best. Let's not give Bargnani too much credit. The time is now to dump on him and drive him out of Toronto!

Just2McFly

12-07-2012, 09:13 PM

Well, he isn't. Even though some of those guys were obviously never in consideration for even a top 10 pick, they're still better than Bargnani now.

Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, Lowry and Millsap. All better than Bargnani right now. Roy probably provided more value in his shortened career than Bargnani will in his entire career too. Then his legs blew up. So 6th at best. Let's not give Bargnani too much credit. The time is now to dump on him and drive him out of Toronto!
Milsap? That's debatable.

Qwyjibo

12-07-2012, 09:15 PM

Milsap? That's debatable.
I have a feeling there there is only one GM in the league that would agree with you on that.

Real Men Wear Green

12-07-2012, 09:17 PM

Milsap? That's debatable.
:oldlol:

Just2McFly

12-07-2012, 09:19 PM

I have a feeling there there is only one GM in the league that would agree with you on that.
I'd put Bargs sixth:lol

stephanieg

12-07-2012, 09:21 PM

Bargs hasn't been one of the worst players in the league for years. Sure he has low efficiency and horrific rebounding numbers and laughable defense but you're forgetting those crucial intangibles.

Real Men Wear Green

12-07-2012, 09:24 PM

Bargs hasn't been one of the worst players in the league for years. Sure he has low efficiency and horrific rebounding numbers and laughable defense but you're forgetting those crucial intangibles.
You have a point; I never see him in the paint. Maybe we should start calling him the Invisible Woman.

madmax

12-07-2012, 10:00 PM

You have a point; I never see him in the paint. Maybe we should start calling him the Invisible Woman.

:lol :D

KeyNote

12-07-2012, 10:12 PM

I'd love to see him in LA...only if calderon & kleiza come with him tho..which is the rumored deal out there right now

kaiteng

12-07-2012, 10:29 PM

You have a point; I never see him in the paint. Maybe we should start calling him the Invisible Woman.
Donna Invisibile

:oldlol: :cheers:

el gringos

12-07-2012, 10:33 PM

I'd love to see him in LA...only if calderon & kleiza come with him tho..which is the rumored deal out there right now
They should take amare/Felton over pau. Lowry and Felton would be a more than strong pg duo

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 12:00 AM

They should take amare/Felton over pau. Lowry and Felton would be a more than strong pg duo

Why would they want to two PG's? Lowry is better.

el gringos

12-08-2012, 12:15 AM

Why would they want to two PG's? Lowry is better.
Why would you want 2 pg's? Because to be a good team in the nba you need 2 pg's.

bagelred

12-08-2012, 12:32 AM

The guy is 8 feet tall and he averages 4.4 rebounds a game. How is that possible....he must literally try NOT to get rebounds.

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 12:35 AM

Why would you want 2 pg's? Because to be a good team in the nba you need 2 pg's.

No you don't. They have Calderon anyway. Felton is not playing backup to anyone.

SevereUpInHere

12-08-2012, 12:36 AM

The guy is 8 feet tall and he averages 4.4 rebounds a game. How is that possible....he must literally try NOT to get rebounds.

A center should get 2-3 rebounds a game alone from missed freethrows and being closest to the basket.

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 12:45 AM

A center should get 2-3 rebounds a game alone from missed freethrows and being closest to the basket.

Again, he's not a C and he doesn't play C. He's still a terrible rebounder but he's not a C.

longtime lurker

12-08-2012, 12:48 AM

Again, he's not a C and he doesn't play C. He's still a terrible rebounder but he's not a C.

You're 7 ****ing feet tall. You should get 5 rebounds a game by just putting your hands in the air

bagelred

12-08-2012, 12:51 AM

You should get 5 rebounds a game by just putting your hands in the air

Well, apparently, he's just waving them like he just don't care.......

el gringos

12-08-2012, 12:55 AM

No you don't. They have Calderon anyway. Felton is not playing backup to anyone.
Which teams do you personally think benefit from and which teams lose out on this trade

Hornets get Felton + chandler + copeland + Kurt Thomas

Raptors get Ryan Anderson + Marion + collison + Vince carter + bribous

Mavs get Calderon + fields + g Vazquez + James white

Knicks get Bargnani + kleiza + a Johnson + j Cunningham + j smith

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 01:04 AM

Which teams do you personally think benefit from and which teams lose out on this trade

Hornets get Felton + chandler + copeland + Kurt Thomas

Raptors get Ryan Anderson + Marion + collison + Vince carter + bribous

Mavs get Calderon + fields + g Vazquez + James white

Knicks get Bargnani + kleiza + a Johnson + j Cunningham + j smith

The Hornets add one of the best centers in the league to play with Anthony Davis and allow no points at all. Those two going there makes Gordon stop bitching and the Hornets are a year away from contending. All they have to give up is absolutely nothing.

The Mavericks allow 111PPG and that team dies.

The Knicks become the worst rebounding team in the league (we're close) and don't get out of the first round.

The Raptors get a man in Ryan Anderson, who gets twice as many rebounds as Bargnani and is a better shooter. What Bargnani is trying to do Anderson does much better. And he spaces the floor. And, like I said, he rebounds twice as much as Bargnani...at least close to twice as much. They solve their SF problem, while shedding Landry Fields' contract. We ignore that the Vince Carter reunion and they get a guy who's good enough to even start at SG and is a great guy off the bench, able to play 2 or 3. All they give up is an expirer who isn't as good as a backup, along with a disappointment.

So the two playoff teams drop to a 1st round exit and to a playoff miss. The two teams out of the playoffs make it.

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 01:06 AM

You're 7 ****ing feet tall. You should get 5 rebounds a game by just putting your hands in the air

Who's arguing? I'm just saying he isn't a C.

D.J.

12-08-2012, 02:07 AM

This guy was a #1 overall pick too. 7 feet tall, can't rebound, can't play D, and he's pretty much useless if his jump shot isn't going down.

kaiteng

12-08-2012, 02:14 AM

This guy was a #1 overall pick too. 7 feet tall, can't rebound, can't play D, and he's pretty much useless if his jump shot isn't going down.
Wrong, somewhat. He can do all of above, BUT NOT THE SAME TIME! :oldlol: :( :facepalm

hawkfan

12-08-2012, 05:24 AM

For any starter at center with at least 5 seasons, he's the worst rebounder ever in the history of the NBA.

He's 7 feet, 256 pounds.

He's not a terrible rebounder. He is the worst ever.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrea_bargnani/career_stats.html

2 seasons averaging less than 4 rebounds per game.
3 seasons averaging less than 5 rebounds per game.
Career average of less than 5 rebounds per game.
This year, he averaging less than 4.5 rebounds per game.

He's the worst rebounding big ever. Of all time.

el gringos

12-08-2012, 06:21 AM

The Hornets add one of the best centers in the league to play with Anthony Davis and allow no points at all. Those two going there makes Gordon stop bitching and the Hornets are a year away from contending. All they have to give up is absolutely nothing.

The Mavericks allow 111PPG and that team dies.

The Knicks become the worst rebounding team in the league (we're close) and don't get out of the first round.

The Raptors get a man in Ryan Anderson, who gets twice as many rebounds as Bargnani and is a better shooter. What Bargnani is trying to do Anderson does much better. And he spaces the floor. And, like I said, he rebounds twice as much as Bargnani...at least close to twice as much. They solve their SF problem, while shedding Landry Fields' contract. We ignore that the Vince Carter reunion and they get a guy who's good enough to even start at SG and is a great guy off the bench, able to play 2 or 3. All they give up is an expirer who isn't as good as a backup, along with a disappointment.

So the two playoff teams drop to a 1st round exit and to a playoff miss. The two teams out of the playoffs make it.
Thank you - first time I've got any good response from that trade.

Would you do the simpler version of that deal then?

Chandler, Felton
For
Anderson, Vazquez, smith

Whoah10115

12-08-2012, 05:01 PM

Thank you - first time I've got any good response from that trade.

Would you do the simpler version of that deal then?

Chandler, Felton
For
Anderson, Vazquez, smith

You're welcome.

No. Felton is better than Vazquez and Smith is irrelevant. Tyson Chandler, even if a tad bit overpaid, is great and is a necessity for us. The only we could ever trade him was if we got a better C. Or at least an elite guy who we just ignore the lack of fit for...and I'm not usually down with that.

I think Noah is better but it's more than just being happy with him in a Knicks uniform; it's being happy with him as a Knick.

letshaveacorona

12-08-2012, 08:43 PM

The only time Bargnani ever sees the Paint s when he takes a free throw. He is th most frustrating player to watch. I dont blame him though I blame Raptor management and more importantly the coaching staff who draw up the plays. He plays on the perimeter because coach Casey thinks Bargnani helps provide spacing. Thats somewhat true but the problem is Bargs CANT SHOOT. throwing up bricks time after time does not make you a 3pt threat thats the coaching staffs biggest fault.

one more thing we played utah last night who were missing two bigs and what does CASEY DO! HE GOES SMALL and keeps Bargs on the 3pt line. idiotic

letshaveacorona

12-08-2012, 08:53 PM

the point of my rant above is simply I thinks Bargs will do better in a different system that takebadvantage of his strengths. decent midrange pull up and decent post up player who can get his shot off against smaller 4's. its when he plays on the 3pt line that he tends to become one dimensional. just my opinion. I would amnesty his ass in a heartbeat addition by subtraction or come Dec15 id be looking to package him with Fields to the Lakers for Pau and flip Pau for an immeiate expirer or amnesty Pau. I woul trade calderon on his own seperate from Bargs despite what ignorant basketball fans think Calderon has game and is an expirer that combination has a higher value then as a throw in to Bargs. But we have Bryan Colangelo as GM so we are screwed.

Lakers_Kobe_Fan

12-08-2012, 09:04 PM