Kevin Love summary....

[tikay0]

Can someone write me up a good summary of why Kevin Love is a "non impact" player, using stats and analysis. I need CONCRETE stats as well.

[supe12sta12z]

He needs to be on a strong defensive team to mask up his deficiencies.

[tikay0]

He needs to be on a strong defensive team to mask up his deficiencies.

What if that defensive team would have to give up an arm and a leg to get him.

[FreezingTsmoove]

He's very inefficient. I mean when your under .500 % every game and you take the ammount of shots he takes thats basically giving up 10, 15 free possessions every game to the opposing team. Also and then when your not a good defender at all that allows scores on those missed shots you gave up.

Lets look at his past 3 games

6-20
6-15
12-25


Thats 36 missed shots

At the free throw line he missed 12 shots

Now lets get into TO which he has 6 and fouls which he has 8

Now when we add this up all together he has 48 missed shots 8 fouls and 6 turnovers with below average defense

I also question his ability to get the best out of his teammates. I have not liked what I have seen from Kevin Love

[FreezingTsmoove]

Basically the good he does is negated by the much worse mistakes he makes (which is more than the good) which is the reason why this Wolves team cant pull of wins with him as the star

[tikay0]

He's very inefficient. I mean when your under .500 % every game and you take the ammount of shots he takes thats basically giving up 10, 15 free possessions every game to the opposing team. Also and then when your not a good defender at all that allows scores on those missed shots you gave up.

Lets look at his past 3 games

6-20
6-15
12-25


Thats 36 missed shots

At the free throw line he missed 12 shots

Now lets get into TO which he has 6 and fouls which he has 8

Now when we add this up all together he has 48 missed shots 8 fouls and 6 turnovers with below average defense

I also question his ability to get the best out of his teammates. I have not liked what I have seen from Kevin Love

I need his overall, 5 year condensed avg's. I'm in a debate with some Kevin Love nut hugger. He'll say something like, "its only been 3 games!" I'm saying, I'd rather have Aldridge or Z-bo any day of the week.

Edit: I already told his stupid ass about his 3 game numbers. Just a stubborn Love nut hugger.

[elementally morale]

I need his overall, 5 year condensed avg's. I'm in a debate with some Kevin Love nut hugger. He'll say something like, "its only been 3 games!" I'm saying, I'd rather have Aldridge or Z-bo any day of the week.

Edit: I already told his stupid ass about his 3 game numbers. Just a stubborn Love nut hugger.

Imagine you will succeed and be able to convince him. Is life going to be any better for you? For him? For anyone else?

Before putting in way too much effort, give yourself 25 second to think about it. It may not be worth the effort.

[BankShot]

6-20
6-15
12-25


Thats 36 missed shots

At the free throw line he missed 12 shots


If you would have watched the games, you would have noticed the brace on his shooting hand and the grimace on his face at the free throw line.

Its funny how people make assumptions from three games worth of box scores. :rolleyes:

[tikay0]

Imagine you will succeed and be able to convince him. Is life going to be any better for you? For him? For anyone else?

Before putting in way too much effort, give yourself 25 second to think about it. It may not be worth the effort.

There is no convincing a Love fan boy. There just isn't.

[BankShot]

I'm saying, I'd rather have Aldridge or Z-bo any day of the week.


It depends on what you're looking for in a player....

Aldridge is longer and more of a deterrent at the rim and a good midranger shooter with an unblockable release, but doesn't rebound like Love or Z-Bo.

Randolph is more of an automatic bucket down low and hes a great rebounder, but doesn't block shots and doesn't pass as well.

Love is an elite rebounder, stretches the floor, and is a decent passer for his position, but he doesn't block shots or have great low post moves.

[tikay0]

It depends on what you're looking for in a player....

Aldridge is longer and more of a deterrent at the rim and a good midranger shooter with an unblockable release, but doesn't rebound like Love or Z-Bo.

Randolph is more of an automatic bucket down low and hes a great rebounder, but doesn't block shots and doesn't pass as well.

Love is an elite rebounder, stretches the floor, and is a decent passer for his position, but he doesn't block shots or have great low post moves.

Gimme Tim Duncan/KG. When they were younger. Good Lord, the NBA big men are watered down........

[BankShot]

There is no convincing a Love fan boy. There just isn't.

Hate to break it to you..... but there isn't a prayer trying to convince any fanboy something other than what their tunnel vision sees.

My advice? Quit the fruitless arguments with trolls and homers, and talk basketball with the objective and rational posters.

[BankShot]

Gimme Tim Duncan/KG. When they were younger. Good Lord, the NBA big men are watered down........

Okay.... so give you first-ballot HOFers in their prime instead of one- or two-time All-Stars still developing their skills?

Sure, bud. :rolleyes:

[tikay0]

Hate to break it to you..... but there isn't a prayer trying to convince any fanboy something other than what their tunnel vision sees.

My advice? Quit the fruitless arguments with trolls and homers, and talk basketball with the objective and rational posters.

Yeah. Your right.

[chips93]

Randolph is more of an automatic bucket down low and hes a great rebounder, but doesn't block shots and doesn't pass as well.


id disagree

i think that was a valid criticism of z-bo in the past, but this year he has been passing the ball pretty well.

alongside marc, memphis has the best interior passing in the league.

[BankShot]

id disagree

i think that was a valid criticism of z-bo in the past, but this year he has been passing the ball pretty well.

alongside marc, memphis has the best interior passing in the league.

I haven't seen much of the Grizz this year, so that very well may be the case.... i was saying that kinda as a generalization in comparison to Love.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Klove is better than your favorite player. lol

Dude is wearing a brace on his hand and is STILL recording double-doubles. Impact? Last year (not the lockout season), Minny was 17-56 when Love played..not good obviously. BUT, consider the fact they were 0-9 in the 9 games without him. In fact, save for this season, he's missed 34 career games; the twolves are 4-30 without him.

Efficiency you say? Last season he shot 45% w/ five 3PA per game (hit at 37% clip), and 82% from the charity stripe. Wait a few games and then we'll talk. Just be patient. He'll be back.

[tikay0]

Klove is better than your favorite player. lol

Dude is wearing a brace on his hand and is STILL recording double-doubles. Impact? Last year (not the lockout season), Minny was 17-56 when Love played..not good obviously. BUT, consider the fact they were 0-9 in the games (save for this season, Love has missed 34 career games; the twolves are 4-30 w/o him).

Efficiency you say? Last season he shot 45% w/ five 3PA per game (hit at 37% clip), and 82% from the charity stripe. Wait a few games and then we'll talk. Just be patient. He'll be back.

And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.

[chips93]

I haven't seen much of the Grizz this year, so that very well may be the case.... i was saying that kinda as a generalization in comparison to Love.

your a minny fan right? how is love's passing? i remember coming out of ucla he was seen as a pretty good passer, but ive never really seen it in the nba. i dont watch many wolves' games though.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers?

Chill mija.

Check the teams W/L record without him. Of course he makes them better.

Now that he has help (assuming Rubio will be back around AS break), Minny should be a playoff team.

[chips93]

And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.

judging by their win-loss record with, and without him, i think we can undoubtedly say that, yes, he did make his team better, quite a lot better actually.

[tikay0]

And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.

[BankShot]

Basic stats?? APG??? BPG??? :facepalm

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

End thread.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Basic stats?? APG??? BPG??? :facepalm

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

End thread.

:pimp:

[BankShot]

Also, simply blurting out stats without understanding meaning or context is just ignorant.

"FG% for a big man" is blatantly oversimplified. For a player like Love who plays the PF position one would expect his FG% to match that of other PFs.... but there are factors that could or would make it not the case.

For instance, Love takes much more three-pointers than your average PF/C. Even if he makes them at a good rate, that percentage is likely to be lower than the higher-percentage shots your average PF/C would take.... which would effectively lower his FG%.

If we're going to say he's an inefficient offensive player solely based on FG%, it should be compared to the FG% of other players that play like him, not the players at the same position.

[oolalaa]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[tikay0]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

Pretty much this. :pimp:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Another strong post, Bankshot. To say a guy that led the league in double-doubles, who's efficient from 3 and the FT line, doesn't impact your team or make them better? IDK man. Y'all need to learn the game!

[tikay0]

Basic stats?? APG??? BPG??? :facepalm

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

End thread.


My sentiments, exactly.

[BankShot]

He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably generous.

Again... I don't think anyone with a critically-thinking brain would suggest otherwise.

I don't know about you, but having a 24-year old Top-10 player on a young up-and-coming team is pretty awesome.

Sure he needs to improve on his isolation game on offense, and footwork and scheme understanding on defense.... but that could be said about most young players. As far as I'm concerned he's far from a finished product, and as it stands he's a unique and productive player.

[tikay0]

Another strong post. Bankshot. To say a guy that led the league in double-doubles, who's efficient from 3 and the FT line, doesn't impact your team or make them better? IDK man. Y'all need to learn the game!

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[KG215]

Gimme Tim Duncan/KG. When they were younger. Good Lord, the NBA big men are watered down........
You're really going out on a limb there.

[tikay0]

Again... I don't think anyone with a critically-thinking brain would suggest otherwise.

I don't know about you, but having a 24-year old Top-10 player on a young up-and-coming team is pretty awesome.

Sure he needs to improve on his isolation game on offense, and footwork and scheme understanding on defense.... but that could be said about most young players. As far as I'm concerned he's far from a finished product, and as it stands he's a unique and productive player.

Yes, anyone can get better. But, you don't just become good on defense. Look at Carlos Boozer. It's not he doesn't try, or he doesn't understand the schemes. It's because he has slow feet. He can't do anything about that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not sure why you are posting someone else's post, but alright! :oldlol:

I fully acknowledge he's a piss-poor defender and doesn't have the impact your "ordinary" (elite) big man does. Does that mean he's void of impact and/or able to make the players around him better? Smarten up.

[BankShot]

Another strong post, Bankshot. To say a guy that led the league in double-doubles, who's efficient from 3 and the FT line, doesn't impact your team or make them better? IDK man. Y'all need to learn the game!

He's the Wolves' best player but doesn't have isolation handles or make highlight reel dunks and blocks, so its hard for your uniformed or casual fan to try to understand his importance on the court and to his team.

People see big numbers and low win totals and assume its selfish or hollow play... when its often young players on young teams that haven't figured out how to take what they do thats productive and give it context within a winning culture.

[tikay0]

Not sure why you are posting someone else's post, but alright! :oldlol:

I fully acknowledge he's a piss-poor defender and doesn't have the impact your "ordinary" (elite) big man does. Does that mean he's void of impact and/or able to make the players around him better? Smarten up.
Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[BankShot]

Yes, anyone can get better. But, you don't just become good on defense. Look at Carlos Boozer. It's not he doesn't try, or he doesn't understand the schemes. It's because he has slow feet. He can't do anything about that.

Footwork and position can be improved through practice, quickness can be improved with training, and team defense can be improved though understanding the defensive game plan.

[tikay0]

Footwork and position can be improved through practice, quickness can be improved with training, and team defense can be improved though understanding the defensive game plan.

Stop it. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

:roll:

Later, troll.

[tikay0]

:roll:

Later, troll.

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[tikay0]

Kuniva damightpolty, what team do you rep??? If I remember correctly, Bulls, no?

[BankShot]

:roll:

Later, troll.

Indeed. :cheers:

End Thread.

[tikay0]

Indeed. :cheers:

End Thread.


Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[Sigmund Freud]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.\
Why do you continue to pass off another person's post as your own? Are you unsatisfied with the responses you can muster up by yourself?

[tikay0]

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Why do you continue to pass off another person's post as your own? Are you unsatisfied with the responses you can muster up by yourself?

LMAO at this ALT account!!! Who is this??? Kuniva or Bankshot???

:roll: :oldlol: :facepalm

[tikay0]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

[iamgine]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=113217

[tikay0]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=113217

:applause: :coleman:

[PP34Deuce]

Kevin Love is a very good player. I lump him in the Carlos Boozer, Danny Granger box.

Very good players with good stats, that dont impact the game in win/loss. Overpaid players who would excel as a 3rd option on a balanced team.

Ive watched only 4 wolves games, but Kirilenko had better impact on games despite not scoring 20 sumthing points.

[FreezingTsmoove]

If you would have watched the games, you would have noticed the brace on his shooting hand and the grimace on his face at the free throw line.

Its funny how people make assumptions from three games worth of box scores. :rolleyes:


I have watched 2 games since K Loves return but the thread called for stats. Also he does have the brace on the shooting hand so why throw up so many shots? Your just proving my point even more

[chocolatethunder]

Can someone write me up a good summary of why Kevin Love is a "non impact" player, using stats and analysis. I need CONCRETE stats as well.
He's white and when you're white it's impossible to be good. Remember this is ISH where Steve Francis is a top PG of all time.

Remember when black guys like KG are on losing teams, the front office isn't giving them enough help. When it's a white guy he's just not an impact player. Blake Griffin is another. He's hated on for being high yellow.

[PimpinZaZa]

Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.


Idiot!

[R.I.P.]

Kevin Love is a very good player. I lump him in the Carlos Boozer, Danny Granger box.

Very good players with good stats, that dont impact the game in win/loss. Overpaid players who would excel as a 3rd option on a balanced team.

Ive watched only 4 wolves games, but Kirilenko had better impact on games despite not scoring 20 sumthing points.

Granger has no impact? The Pacers don

[chips93]

some quick stats regarding love's rebounding

last year with love on the bench, they would have ranked dead last in the nba in defensive rebounding (they rebounded only 67% of their opponenets misses with love on the bench), and they were just below average on the offensive glass (they rebounded 26% of their own misses)

while when love is in the game they are effectively the 2nd best offensive rebounding team (they rebound 32% of their own misses with love in the game), and they are just below average in defensive rebounding with love in the game (they rebound 72.4% of their opponents misses)

so this notion that love doesnt impact his team is pretty silly.

he single handedly turns his team from a significantly below average rebounding team, to a significantly above average rebounding team.

[bagelred]

The Minnesota Timberwolves record in the Kevin Love era:

87-237

.269 Winning Percentage

:oldlol: Some impact player.......

[chocolatethunder]

The Minnesota Timberwolves record in the Kevin Love era:

87-237

.269 Winning Percentage

:oldlol: Some impact player.......
If this dude was black you would be complaining how he doesn't have any help. This shit is too hilarious. Yeah, we're all aware of how awesome the T wolves have looked on paper for Love's career. It's all his fault for sure. It's funny, when the Sixers were a joke of a team, Iverson was padding his stats in his rookie year for those stupid 40 pt games, he was heralded as a talent with no help. No one called his numbers empty yet he was clearly stat padding. But yeah, Love sucks.

[I<3NBA]

The Minnesota Timberwolves record in the Kevin Love era:

87-237

.269 Winning Percentage

:oldlol: Some impact player.......
there's only one guy in the league that can turn that roster into a winning team.

too bad Lebron chose Miami

[FireDavidKahn]

The Minnesota Timberwolves record in the Kevin Love era:

87-237

.269 Winning Percentage

:oldlol: Some impact player.......
Kyrie Irving must be a terrible player as well.:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

If this dude was black you would be complaining how he doesn't have any help. This shit is too hilarious. Yeah, we're all aware of how awesome the T wolves have looked on paper for Love's career. It's all his fault for sure. It's funny, when the Sixers were a joke of a team, Iverson was padding his stats in his rookie year for those stupid 40 pt games, he was heralded as a talent with no help. No one called his numbers empty yet he was clearly stat padding. But yeah, Love sucks.


Allen Iverson was a 21 yrs.old Rookie while Love is a 24/25 yrs.old 5th year NBA Veteran. AI led his team in the NBA Finals with an above average supporting casts.

[Artillery]

Allen Iverson was a 21 yrs.old Rookie while Love is a 24/25 yrs.old 5th year NBA Veteran. AI led his team in the NBA Finals with an above average supporting casts.

AI was coached by Larry Brown.
His supporting cast included the DPOY and a savvy group of vets.
The Sixers also played in a joke of conference.

[chocolatethunder]

Allen Iverson was a 21 yrs.old Rookie while Love is a 24/25 yrs.old 5th year NBA Veteran. AI led his team in the NBA Finals with an above average supporting casts.
He wasn't too sporty his second year either. Please tell me about all the talent and all the great coaching that Love has had since he's been in Minnesota? (current team and coach not included)

And there have been plenty of players who get their dick sucked by everyone on ish who are on shitty teams. Funny thing is, they're never white. All this BS about Love is just like it is for Dirk and Nash. It's because they're white. Just like black QBs in the NFL get shit on. In the NBA it's always "they don't play defense", even after Dirk became a totally decent defender people still said that bs. Of course there are plenty of black stars who don't play defense (Iverson being one of them, but don't gimme his steals. He gambled way too much on D and was terrible one on one). The "empty stats" with Love is just hilarious. The dude is a stud. He may not be the best PF in the game and may not be killer in the post but he gets it done. Watch the games. He can ****ing rebound with anyone and that is a hard stat to fake. He has excellent timing and knows how to play. I'm sorry that he's white and doesn't jump high and talk like a moron and wear glasses with no lenses in them but hey, he's a good player.

[Lebron23]

He wasn't too sporty his second year either. Please tell me about all the talent and all the great coaching that Love has had since he's been in Minnesota? (current team and coach not included)

And there have been plenty of players who get their dick sucked by everyone on ish who are on shitty teams. Funny thing is, they're never white. All this BS about Love is just like it is for Dirk and Nash. It's because they're white. Just like black QBs in the NFL get shit on. In the NBA it's always "they don't play defense", even after Dirk became a totally decent defender people still said that bs. Of course there are plenty of black stars who don't play defense (Iverson being one of them, but don't gimme his steals. He gambled way too much on D and was terrible one on one). The "empty stats" with Love is just hilarious. The dude is a stud. He may not be the best PF in the game and may not be killer in the post but he gets it done. Watch the games. He can ****ing rebound with anyone and that is a hard stat to fake. He has excellent timing and knows how to play. I'm sorry that he's white and doesn't jump high and talk like a moron and wear glasses with no lenses in them but hey, he's a good player.

Are you in your late 50's or early 60's?

Nash was severely overrated in this forum back in 2007. The Nash Era Suns team was a very exciting team in the regular season, but they always failed in the playoffs.

Love is a good player, but he is not a winner. If he's black he will just get the same treatment as Prime Shareef Abdur Rahim. Dirk is a better player than these 2 guys. He already won an NBA title at age 33.

Allen Iverson is Hated by the media, and David Stern, but this guy led his team into the finals.. Nobody hates Love because he's white. He's putting up good numbers, but he cannot carry his team into the post season.

[bagelred]

Kyrie Irving must be a terrible player as well.:oldlol:

Who said Love is "turrible". There's a lot of middle ground between superstar and "turrible". Wouldn't you say?

I don't think "superstars" let their teams collect .269 percentage into their 5th year. But hey....that's just me. Some superstars lead teams to losses.......I suppose. It's a skill to not accept blame for anything.........

[Lebron23]

Who said Love is "turrible". There's a lot of middle ground between superstar and "turrible". Wouldn't you say?

I don't think "superstars" let their teams collect .269 percentage into their 5th year. But hey....that's just me. Some superstars lead teams to losses.......I suppose. It's a skill to not accept blame for anything.........


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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who said Love is "turrible". There's a lot of middle ground between superstar and "turrible". Wouldn't you say?

I don't think "superstars" let their teams collect .269 percentage into their 5th year. But hey....that's just me. Some superstars lead teams to losses.......I suppose. It's a skill to not accept blame for anything.........

Problem is, people are putting the onus on Love.....despite his teams being shitty. He's not a superstar. Never has been. Dude is an allstar though and impacts the game in a number of ways.

Now w/ Adelman at the helm and Rubio coming back shortly (or so to be rumored), there are no excuses. As constructed, Minny should be postseason-ready.

[The_Yearning]

Problem is, people are putting the onus on Love.....despite his teams being shitty. He's not a superstar. Never has been. Dude is an allstar though and impacts the game in a number of ways.

Now w/ Adelman at the helm and Rubio coming back shortly (or so to be rumored), there are no excuses. As constructed, Minny should be postseason-ready.

That is why they win with Rubio. That is also why they lose without Rubio. It's no coincidence they haven't won a game with Love back.

[chips93]

That is why they win with Rubio. That is also why they lose without Rubio. It's no coincidence they haven't won a game with Love back.

jesus christ its been THREE FREAKING GAMES!

:facepalm

[chocolatethunder]

Are you in your late 50's or early 60's?

Nash was severely overrated in this forum back in 2007. T team was a very exciting team in the regular season, but they always failed in the playoffs.

Love is a good player, but he is not a winner. If he's black he will just get the same treatment as Prime Shareef Abdur Rahim. Dirk is a better player than these 2 guys. He already won an NBA title at age 33.

Allen Iverson is Hated by the media, and David Stern, but this guy led his team into the finals.. Nobody hates Love because he's white. He's putting up good numbers, but he cannot carry his team into the post season.

Nash overrated here? It was split evenly. People hate on him cause he's white just like Dirk.

I call it like I see it. If you can't see that black QBs get hated on then you're a moron. Why anyone would take RGIII second I have no idea.

Again, please tell me how talented Love's teams have been since he's been in the league. Please tell me how well their draft picks have panned out. Then please tell me all the great coaches they had before Adelman. I'm not even a Kevin Love fan but the amount of BS that is said here about this dude is hilarious.
Love is hated on because he's white.

Iverson was loved and his game is beyond reproach because he was so "real".

I mean people on this board put up threads about Steve Francis being a great player. We're talking about Steve Francis. What exactly did he do? What was his playoff record with a good team and a good coach?

[FKAri]

He is an impact player. I just think his team doesn't suit his game. Every player has weaknesses. Even Miami with Wade and Bron would be terrible if they had no shooters. You need to put the players beside him that compliment what he can do rather than focus on what he can't do.

[bagelred]

He is an impact player. I just think his team doesn't suit his game. Every player has weaknesses. Even Miami with Wade and Bron would be terrible if they had no shooters. You need to put the players beside him that compliment what he can do rather than focus on what he can't do.

I see. Makes sense.

What you are saying is Love needs to be surrounded with players who help WIN games, as opposed to Love who DOESN'T helps teams win games. I totally get it. If Love is surrounded by players who help you win games, the TWolves therefore would get more wins. :cheers:

When Rubio comes back, Love will look MUCH better, because Rubio is someone that can help win you games. It's clear to me now. :pimp:

[chocolatethunder]

I see. Makes sense.

What you are saying is Love needs to be surrounded with players who help WIN games, as opposed to Love who DOESN'T helps teams win games. I totally get it. If Love is surrounded by players who help you win games, the TWolves therefore would get more wins. :cheers:

When Rubio comes back, Love will look MUCH better, because Rubio is someone that can help win you games. It's clear to me now. :pimp:

I'm glad it's clear to you now. What player before Rubio has Love played with who is decent? Let's see, LeBron leaves Cleveland to play with guys who make him look much better, Bosh leave:rant s Toronto to play with guys who can win but it's ok for them. Meanwhile, Love has been put on teams w who? Johnnie Flynn? Yeah, he's a bona fide winner. Your logic is awesome. So what you're saying is every good player should show up to any team regardless of who is on the team and turn them into a winner, otherwise they are just padding their stats. K gotcha. However, when a player you like is on a team and they don't do well it's because the coach isn't adjusting his system to fit the player. K now I understand.
Afterall, you only need one player for a team to be a winner. I mean AI singlehandedly took the Sixers to the finals. It's not like he was on a team w DPOY or the SMOY. If he was they would have surely won. Because winning a championship has to be the metric by which all players are measured. That must be why everyone on this board thinks AI wasn't any good. Because he never won it all.