View Full Version : Lebron has easily been the best player in the clutch this year
tmacattack33
11-30-2012, 12:02 AM
From his 11 points in the last five minutes against Houston (or whatever it was) to his similar take over of the game tonight during the last five minutes, to his game winning assists to Ray Allen, it's unquestionable he has been this year's best clutch player.
We are all witnesses.
Thanks for the greatness, Lebron. :applause:
dbk123
11-30-2012, 12:05 AM
agreed
tmacattack33
11-30-2012, 12:06 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot that against Houston he had 18 fourth quarter points with like two misses the whole quarter. He also had 32 second half points.:cheers:
DaSeba5
11-30-2012, 12:06 AM
The Heat haven't lost a close game yet.
dbk123
11-30-2012, 12:07 AM
hes extremly clutch but most people only consider last second game winning shots as clutch moments. :coleman:
Best clutch shooting so far i think belongs to Ray Allen (he has 3 gamewinners) and best clutch player (offense/defense) its probably Lebron, he created for example all those plays for Ray Allen, had 1 gamewinner himself, scoring outburts to close out/tie/take lead games in 4th and made some key gamesaving defensive plays (+rebounds) and hence has also overall the best numbers in "Clutch Time" (performance during last 5 minutes of game or OT with neither team ahead of 5 pts) which you can take a look at here: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/
ripthekik
11-30-2012, 12:12 AM
I witnessed him missing the freethrow today when the clock had less than 30 seconds left and the game was close.
classic bron.:applause:
KOBE143
11-30-2012, 12:13 AM
Ray Allen disagree
DaSeba5
11-30-2012, 12:14 AM
Ray Allen disagree
Who finds the open Ray?
r15mohd
11-30-2012, 12:15 AM
I witnessed him missing the freethrow today when the clock had less than 30 seconds left and the game was close.
classic bron.:applause:
Such an avid Lebron fan you are lol :applause: :applause: :applause:
LongLiveTheKing
11-30-2012, 12:20 AM
I witnessed him missing the freethrow today when the clock had less than 30 seconds left and the game was close.
classic bron.:applause:
And he's hit bigger free throws than that.
Example Game 4 vs Magic 09 and Game 2 vs Thunder in 2012.
KOBE143
11-30-2012, 12:25 AM
Who finds the open Ray?
Ray Allen is the one who finds a way to have an open shot.. You know, Ray Allen is only 2nd to Kobe in moving without the ball.. It easy for any player to find him open becos he is the one that make himself open.. LeBron is lucky, he can easily stat pad with Ray Allen..
talamo
11-30-2012, 12:26 AM
some really good teams he's been clutch against this season. props to Bron
lebeast666
11-30-2012, 12:27 AM
Ray Allen is the one who finds a way to have an open shot.. You know, Ray Allen is only 2nd to Kobe in moving without the ball.. It easy for any player to find him open becos he is the one that make himself open.. LeBron is lucky, he can easily stat pad with Ray Allen..
Kinda easy to find an open spot when the attention is focused on another player
Ray Allen disagree
Actually, considering how he watched Lebron do all this and also watch games like tonight where Lebron gets his team from being down to a position to tie or win the game (which Ray Allen wouldnt be able to do without Lebron) and then have full trust and even create a perfect wideopen jumpshot for him time and time and time and time again (which Ray Allen wouldnt be able to do without Lebron), i would say he would be the first one to not only agree with this threads topic but also bowdown and kiss the ground Lebron walks on ...
Lebron could have very well taken all those shots, but with his trust and will to make the correct play to a wideopen shooting specialist... he chose the latter...
Ray Allen could have NOT taken those quality shots if the above didnt happen....
Stop exposing your agenda mr Kobe143... dont even know why i am talking to you...
DaSeba5
11-30-2012, 12:30 AM
Ray Allen is the one who finds a way to have an open shot.. You know, Ray Allen is only 2nd to Kobe in moving without the ball.. It easy for any player to find him open becos he is the one that make himself open.. LeBron is lucky, he can easily stat pad with Ray Allen..
:facepalm
LeBron has great court vision and finds the open guy when he's double teamed.
He's not stat padding. He's trying to win the game.
tmacattack33
11-30-2012, 12:30 AM
hes extremly clutch but most people only consider last second game winning shots as clutch moments. :coleman:
Okay... He leads the league in the last 24 seconds on game winning plays as well. He already has one game winner and three game winning assists.
BuffaloBill
11-30-2012, 12:31 AM
I'm not trying to down Lebron, he is clutch, but he has to work on those free throws.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-30-2012, 12:32 AM
Lebron fans excited about beating a depleted Spurs team. :oldlol:
rfm767
11-30-2012, 12:32 AM
If by "Lebron" you mean "Ray Allen" then yes, by all means.
DaSeba5
11-30-2012, 12:35 AM
I'm not trying to down Lebron, he is clutch, but he has to work on those free throws.
Definitely.
Lebron fans excited about beating a depleted Spurs team. :oldlol:
No, but about how he plays in the clutch overall this season.... wouldnt call it "excited", more like giving credit where its due... something you obviously didnt & dont understand...
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-30-2012, 12:37 AM
No, but about how he plays in the clutch overall this season.... wouldnt call it "excited", more like giving credit where its due... something you obviously didnt & dont understand...
http://t.qkme.me/35gk1f.jpg
LikeABosh
11-30-2012, 12:37 AM
Lebron fans excited about beating a depleted Spurs team. :oldlol:
No, but we are kind of excited about Lebron overall play this season, being 1st seed and defending champions:lol
upside24
11-30-2012, 12:38 AM
I witnessed him missing the freethrow today when the clock had less than 30 seconds left and the game was close.
classic bron.:applause:
So missing a freethrow outweighs the offensive rebounds, points, assists and crucial steals he had?
Are you really going to make that argument?
He took that game over in every aspect.
KOBE143
11-30-2012, 12:40 AM
Actually, considering how he watched Lebron do all this and also watch games like tonight where Lebron gets his team from being down to a position to tie or win the game (which Ray Allen wouldnt be able to do without Lebron) and then have full trust and even create a perfect wideopen jumpshot for him time and time and time and time again (which Ray Allen wouldnt be able to do without Lebron), i would say he would be the first one to not only agree with this threads topic but also bowdown and kiss the ground Lebron walks on ...
Lebron could have very well taken all those shots, but with his trust and will to make the correct play to a wideopen shooting specialist... he chose the latter...
Ray Allen could have NOT taken those quality shots if the above didnt happen....
Stop exposing your agenda mr Kobe143... dont even know why i am talking to you...
Stop sucking LeBrick dick Mr. Asshole.. Everyone knows LeBrick is a choker.. Theres a reason why he is surrounded by clutch player..
LikeABosh
11-30-2012, 12:41 AM
Stop sucking LeBrick dick Mr. Asshole.. Everyone knows LeBrick is a choker.. Theres a reason why he is surrounded by clutch player..
He really needed Ray Allen last season:coleman:
imdaman99
11-30-2012, 12:42 AM
Who finds the open Ray?
i suppose only lebron is capable of finding an open ray allen :bowdown:
you heard it here first guys, ray allen is only clutch because lebron finds him open :bowdown:
ray allen had never hit a clutch shot before he came to heat. lebron is great :bowdown:
its so very odd how ray allen keeps hitting these game winning shots. and lebron keeps assisting him. its like a match made in heaven
DaSeba5
11-30-2012, 12:46 AM
i suppose only lebron is capable of finding an open ray allen :bowdown:
you heard it here first guys, ray allen is only clutch because lebron finds him open :bowdown:
ray allen had never hit a clutch shot before he came to heat. lebron is great :bowdown:
:facepalm
LeBron and Allen are a match made in heaven. Stop putting words in my mouth.
KDthunderup
11-30-2012, 12:46 AM
KD's gotta be up their with his game against Chicago, can't remember if he has had any other clutch moments this year.
KOBE143
11-30-2012, 12:47 AM
He really needed Ray Allen last season:coleman:
Battier, Wade, Bosh, Miller, etc.. All of them are more clutch than LeBron.. :confusedshrug:
joeysms55
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
Ray Allen is the one who finds a way to have an open shot.. You know, Ray Allen is only 2nd to Kobe in moving without the ball.. It easy for any player to find him open becos he is the one that make himself open.. LeBron is lucky, he can easily stat pad with Ray Allen..
:biggums:
Ray is the best off the ball player in the league. Kobe is not even close
upside24
11-30-2012, 12:49 AM
i suppose only lebron is capable of finding an open ray allen :bowdown:
you heard it here first guys, ray allen is only clutch because lebron finds him open :bowdown:
ray allen had never hit a clutch shot before he came to heat. lebron is great :bowdown:
Wow. :facepalm
LeBron made the correct decision to pass it to Ray. Ray made the shot. Heat won the game.
Don't be so upset, the Heat will lose soon and you'll have plenty of *********ion material.
Can't believe that is censored.:lol
Heavincent
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
Durant? :confusedshrug:
imdaman99
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
Wow. :facepalm
LeBron made the correct decision to pass it to Ray. Ray made the shot. Heat won the game.
Don't be so upset, the Heat will lose soon and you'll have plenty of *********ion material.
Can't believe that is censored.:lol
im curious... what did you write :lol just misspell one of the letters i'll figure it out :roll:
DonDadda59
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
Ray Allen is the one who finds a way to have an open shot.. You know, Ray Allen is only 2nd to Kobe in moving without the ball.. It easy for any player to find him open becos he is the one that make himself open.. LeBron is lucky, he can easily stat pad with Ray Allen..
This is a completely ignorant post. Ray Allen has been open on all of his last second shot attempts because the defense has been solely focused on Lebron in those moments. It's not like Ray is fighting off screens nowadays, he's been a spot up shooter and has been hitting wide open 3s because of all the attention Bron gets and his (Bron's) court vision and decision-making. And Kobe has never been great at moving without the ball, don't know where the hell you're getting that notion from.
Stop sucking LeBrick dick Mr. Asshole.. Everyone knows LeBrick is a choker.. Theres a reason why he is surrounded by clutch player..
Are you really comprehending what is coming out of your brain you cretin? You want Lebron to basically ignore the wideopen shooter at his sweetspot and heave up a circus shot instead....
As you being this absurd and bitter Kobe fan i fully understand why you would prefer that logic as you are used to seeing it very often:
http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2423850/selfish-kobe-o.gif
upside24
11-30-2012, 12:53 AM
im curious... what did you write :lol just misspell one of the letters i'll figure it out :roll:
Technical term for fapping.:lol
KG215
11-30-2012, 12:54 AM
Easily. No one else is close.
Heavincent
11-30-2012, 12:55 AM
Easily. No one else is close.
Is this sarcasm?
imdaman99
11-30-2012, 12:55 AM
Are you really comprehending what is coming out of your brain you cretin? You want Lebron to basically ignore the wideopen shooter at his sweetspot and heave up a circus shot instead....
As you being this absurd and bitter Kobe fan i fully understand why you would prefer that logic as you are used to seeing it very often:
http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2423850/selfish-kobe-o.gif
lets be real dude, lamar odom has never hit a clutch shot in his life (with few seconds left i mean). and fine fish has hit plenty, but he was so far away. thats like the equivalent of udonis haslem being open behind the 3 pt line for lebron. so maybe forcing a 3 might not have been the wisest decision but dont act like it was such an easy decision.
Heavincent
11-30-2012, 12:57 AM
lets be real dude, lamar odom has never hit a clutch shot in his life (with few seconds left i mean). and fine fish has hit plenty, but he was so far away. thats like the equivalent of udonis haslem being open behind the 3 pt line for lebron. so maybe forcing a 3 might not have been the wisest decision but dont act like it was such an easy decision.
Exactly It's better to have Kobe shoot over 3 people than to have Lamar freaking Odom take the last shot.
If that was Derek Fisher or Ron Artest there's no doubt Kobe would have passed it.
imdaman99
11-30-2012, 12:57 AM
Technical term for fapping.:lol
i dont fap to the heat losing. i mean it does put a smile on my face but it doesnt affect my life. now if the knicks win it all, i will superfapfapfap the night away. sorry, i suppose no one had to know that. but us knicks fans been starving for so long :lol
:(
lets be real dude, lamar odom has never hit a clutch shot in his life (with few seconds left i mean). and fine fish has hit plenty, but he was so far away. thats like the equivalent of udonis haslem being open behind the 3 pt line for lebron. so maybe forcing a 3 might not have been the wisest decision but dont act like it was such an easy decision.
I am not faulting Kobe at all, i am only retaliating at Kobe143 and his logic... He wants Lebron to do exactly like that in that situation and ignore Ray Allen who would be in Lamars place instead....... Lebron has hit him like this 3 times in a row now, 3 out of 3... Ray has hit them all, there is no reason whatsoever to stop creating that wideopen play for him in such a situation... let Ray miss at least ONCE for gods sake then maybe Lebron can be thinking about doing what Kobe143 wants him to do (even then i doubt he would)...
Lebron23
11-30-2012, 01:00 AM
Same guy who led the NBA in 4th quarter scoring from 2007-2010.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
KG215
11-30-2012, 01:01 AM
Is this sarcasm?
I think you're smart enough to figure it out.
:D
Same guy who led the NBA in 4th quarter scoring from 2007-2010.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Well its kindof harder to do that now with Wade/Bosh picking of many offensive possessions (the reason to his numbers drop aswell), even though he did lead the NBA in 4th quarter scoring in the last playoffs (10.1 ppg)
Boston C's
11-30-2012, 01:09 AM
In terms of taking the last shot to win the game ray has definitely been the most clutch so far this yr
its gonna be hilarious when at one point ray actually misses and ppl are gonna call him not clutch and say that lebron should of shot it instead and say lebron was scared
and before anyone says anything about me being a lebron homer...im not, my track record doesnt show me going around praising lebron but its simple this yr he has one of the most clutch last second shooters of all time so its a much more comforting decision for him to pass it to a guy whose come through his whole career time and time again whereas before he was passing it to a bunch of nobodies (albeit some of those shots he did pass to his former teammates it would have been better served for him to create for himself)
KOBE143
11-30-2012, 01:13 AM
Are you really comprehending what is coming out of your brain you cretin? You want Lebron to basically ignore the wideopen shooter at his sweetspot and heave up a circus shot instead....
As you being this absurd and bitter Kobe fan i fully understand why you would prefer that logic as you are used to seeing it very often:
http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2423850/selfish-kobe-o.gif
With less than 3 secs left with wide open scrodum at the top of the key and fisher on the other side of the 3pt line.. Such a great desicion making by Kobe.. If he pass it to Lamar, expect he would brick it.. If Pass to Fisher, theres no time left to make a shot.. Even in this situation, Kobe still find a way for solution.. He rather take the blame than pass the responsibility to other.. LeBrick should learn from him instead of passing to Joel Anthony in clutch time..
In terms of taking the last shot to win the game ray has definitely been the most clutch so far this yr
its gonna be hilarious when at one point ray actually misses and ppl are gonna call him not clutch and say that lebron should of shot it instead
and before anyone says anything about me being a lebron homer...im not, my track record doesnt show me going around praising lebron but its simple this yr he has one of the most clutch last second shooters of all time so its a much more comforting decision for him to pass it to a guy whose come through his whole career time and time again whereas before he was passing it to a bunch of nobodies (albeit some of those shots he did pass to his former teammates it would have been better served for him to create for himself)
This.
..and yea i hate how some posters love to throw those "You are a stan/homer" excuses like if you are trying to defend a player just because you just so happen to like him....... what i am talking about here has nothing to do with Lebron, i am talking about a specific last second basketball play.....
I dont care who the hell that player is with the ball in his hands, if you are double-triple-quadruple/whatever teamed and you see the greatest 3PT shooter/arguably greatest shooter ever wideopen.... you should pass him the ball.... hell, even if you are wideopen yourself and see Ray Allen open aswell you SHOULD pass him the ball (unless you are Reggie Miller or Larry Bird or something).... because i can guarantee you its a higher chance for him to hit that shot rather than you.... at the end of the day its all about giving your team the best chance to succeed by doing the correct play... its not some magical nba2k13 clutch ratio.... its accuracy... as in you may be a better player then me but i shoot better than you at whatever damn gameclock....
upside24
11-30-2012, 01:32 AM
This.
..and yea i hate how some posters love to throw those "You are a stan/homer" excuses like if you are trying to defend a player just because you just so happen to like him....... what i am talking about here has nothing to do with Lebron, i am talking about a specific last second basketball play.....
I dont care who the hell that player is, if you are double-triple-quadruple/whatever teamed and you see the greatest 3PT shooter/arguably greatest shooter ever wideopen.... you should pass him the ball.... hell, even if you are wideopen yourself and see Ray Allen open aswell you SHOULD pass him the ball (unless you are Reggie Miller or Larry Bird).... because i can guarantee you its a higher chance for him to hit that shot rather than you.... at the end of the day its all about accuracy.... its not some magical nba2k13 clutch ratio.... its accuracy... as in you may be a better player then me but i shoot better than you at whatever damn gameclock....
Nah. LeBron should have tossed up a baby hook instead of passing it to one of the most clutch shooters in the league who was wide open.
After all, hero ball is the way to go. Team play never wins championships.
InB4 Kobe comment
Bandito
11-30-2012, 01:53 AM
This.
..and yea i hate how some posters love to throw those "You are a stan/homer" excuses like if you are trying to defend a player just because you just so happen to like him....... what i am talking about here has nothing to do with Lebron, i am talking about a specific last second basketball play.....
I dont care who the hell that player is with the ball in his hands, if you are double-triple-quadruple/whatever teamed and you see the greatest 3PT shooter/arguably greatest shooter ever wideopen.... you should pass him the ball.... hell, even if you are wideopen yourself and see Ray Allen open aswell you SHOULD pass him the ball (unless you are Reggie Miller or Larry Bird or something).... because i can guarantee you its a higher chance for him to hit that shot rather than you.... at the end of the day its all about giving your team the best chance to succeed by doing the correct play... its not some magical nba2k13 clutch ratio.... its accuracy... as in you may be a better player then me but i shoot better than you at whatever damn gameclock....
But you don't like him, you have a sickening obsession with him. I'll bet you m4sturbate to his games everytime he touches the ball.
BTW I think you were right...I think Lebron has been great in the clutch this season, the same as last year. But I prefer if someone else has the ball in the last minutes of the game, LEbron always get nervous in the last seconds of the game.
All Net
11-30-2012, 02:50 AM
Him and Ray Allen have been super clutch. As bad ad miami have looked for most of the first 3 and a half quarters they just refuse to lose close games.
Hoopz2332
11-30-2012, 02:58 AM
Lerbon has been an all around beast in the clutch so far this year. Lets compare to Durant. Not including tonights game of heat/Spurs
Lebron in the clutch -
1 gamewinner & 2 gamewinning assists
Durant in the clutch -
0 gamewinners & 0 gamewinning assists
Lebrons "Clutch stats" (last 5 minutes or OT with neither team ahead of more than 5 pts):
29.8 ppg @ 63% FG
10.3 rpg
10.3 apg
3.1 topg
Durants "Clutch stats" (last 5 minutes or OT with neither team ahead of more than 5 pts):
33.1 ppg @ 50% FG
5.8 rpg
3.9 apg
4.9 topg
Smoke117
11-30-2012, 03:02 AM
This is a completely ignorant post. Ray Allen has been open on all of his last second shot attempts because the defense has been solely focused on Lebron in those moments. It's not like Ray is fighting off screens nowadays, he's been a spot up shooter and has been hitting wide open 3s because of all the attention Bron gets and his (Bron's) court vision and decision-making. And Kobe has never been great at moving without the ball, don't know where the hell you're getting that notion from.
He really isn't fighting off of screes like he did in Boston, but those last two years he was used more of as a decoy than as a scorer. He's playing on the ball more with the heat as it pertains to scoring like he did with the Sonics. Most of his 3pters are easy in rhythm 3pters, but he's getting a lot more 2pt shots you didn't regularly see since 09 from him this season. He's playing the loosest he's played since basically he left the Sonics.
DatAsh
11-30-2012, 03:02 AM
Lerbon has been an all around beast in the clutch so far this year. Lets compare to Durant. Not including tonights game of heat/Spurs
Lebron in the clutch -
1 gamewinner & 2 gamewinning assists
Durant in the clutch -
0 gamewinners & 0 gamewinning assists
Lebrons "Clutch stats" (last 5 minutes or OT with neither team ahead of more than 5 pts):
29.8 ppg @ 63% FG
10.3 rpg
10.3 apg
3.1 topg
Durants "Clutch stats" (last 5 minutes or OT with neither team ahead of more than 5 pts):
33.1 ppg @ 50% FG
5.8 rpg
3.9 apg
4.9 topg
I had no idea the gap was that large.
Boston C's
11-30-2012, 03:03 AM
This.
..and yea i hate how some posters love to throw those "You are a stan/homer" excuses like if you are trying to defend a player just because you just so happen to like him....... what i am talking about here has nothing to do with Lebron, i am talking about a specific last second basketball play.....
I dont care who the hell that player is with the ball in his hands, if you are double-triple-quadruple/whatever teamed and you see the greatest 3PT shooter/arguably greatest shooter ever wideopen.... you should pass him the ball.... hell, even if you are wideopen yourself and see Ray Allen open aswell you SHOULD pass him the ball (unless you are Reggie Miller or Larry Bird or something).... because i can guarantee you its a higher chance for him to hit that shot rather than you.... at the end of the day its all about giving your team the best chance to succeed by doing the correct play... its not some magical nba2k13 clutch ratio.... its accuracy... as in you may be a better player then me but i shoot better than you at whatever damn gameclock....
exactly
and :lol at the bolded...nice touch
imagine if ray left seattles max contract on the table and took less money to play with lebron in cleveland back in the summer of 05....how different the landscape of the nba might be today if that actually happened
DatAsh
11-30-2012, 03:04 AM
He really isn't fighting off of screes like he did in Boston, but those last two years he was used more of as a decoy than as a scorer. He's playing on the ball more with the heat as it pertains to scoring like he did with the Sonics. Most of his 3pters are easy in rhythm 3pters, but he's getting a lot more 2pt shots you didn't regularly see since 09 from him this season. He's playing the loosest he's played since basically he left the Sonics.
Agreed. I had almost forgotten that Ray was capable of penetrating and creating his own offense.
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