I hate George Karl

[kurple]

Hate is a strong word, but i hate him.

most overrated coach in the history of basketball

[airchibundo507]

the most overrated coach i've ever seen...

coincidentally he was the head coach of the olympic team that finished sixth place in the 2002 fiba here in the US.

how did he blow the game last night?

[kurple]

he ****s us out of every close game with his shitty play calling and rotations

**** having a superstar. give me a coach who at least can design a play where the ball gets inbounded

[roffie]

dno what's up with him this year.. last year he was great..

[T-Time3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_j4OKYw-Q

BLASPHEMOUS !!! HOW DARE YOU to say such a thing
George Karl is one of the most respected coach all around the nba for what he did in his coaching career and his love of the game of basketball

[kurple]

George Karl is one of the most respected coach all around the nba for what he did in his coaching career and his love of the game of basketball
all of that is true

but he still sucks as a coach. dunno how he got so respected

he's always been a shitty playoffs coach. now he sucks in the reg season as well

[TyLawson3]

24 years of coaching experience and he still cannot draw up an inbounds play.....

[kurple]

24 years of coaching experience and he still cannot draw up an inbounds play.....
really, how many times have we lost because of that alone?

waaay to many

[airchibundo507]

really, how many times have we lost because of that alone?

waaay to many
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvAHMvlm9eY

remember this one?

[Droid101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvAHMvlm9eY

remember this one?
:roll: :roll:

[knickswin]

he just doesn't seem to have much vision or creativity. plus he seems to not get along with quite a few of his players.

[rodman91]

He is certainly overrated. I think everybody would agree with that. Not terrible but overrated.

[Clutch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvAHMvlm9eY

remember this one?
Classic :roll:

[Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvAHMvlm9eY

remember this one?
:roll:


I love Karl, I think he gets his due all time. (even if he did **** up in his finals chance) But goddamn he's in p-jax chill mode this year.:lol

[Shepseskaf]

Karl has always been overrated. He's probably "respected" because he's managed to hang around for so long.

You can make a strong case that Karl is a cancer. His feuds with some of his stars have wrecked locker room chemistry, such as with Ray Allen.

I always got the feeling that Karl felt he was as big a star (or bigger) than the players.

[niko]

Karl has always been overrated. He's probably "respected" because he's managed to hang around for so long.

You can make a strong case that Karl is a cancer. His feuds with some of his stars have wrecked locker room chemistry, such as with Ray Allen.

I always got the feeling that Karl felt he was as big a star (or bigger) than the players.
No kidding, how giddy was he that Melo was gone and he has a starless team? Never mind that they weren't going to do anything, he loved it. And he seemingly plays all those guys in order to not let anyone be a star either if you watch them. No one really has become anything of a go to player when they really need one

[Shepseskaf]

No kidding, how giddy was he that Melo was gone and he has a starless team? Never mind that they weren't going to do anything, he loved it. And he seemingly plays all those guys in order to not let anyone be a star either if you watch them. No one really has become anything of a go to player when they really need one
We're in total agreement.

He obviously feels that his "system" is the key, and that you can just plug in any players.

Its really a mystery to me as to why he has stayed employed in the league for so long.

[iDunk]

No, the Nuggets just miss Melo.

[stephanieg]

The Fire George Karl blog used to be pretty funny, too bad it died.

[NuggetsFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvAHMvlm9eY

remember this one?

lmao. I was stunned.

Anyways Karl's a good coach. He's good at managing ego's and getting the best out of his guy's in the regular season. That's why you see D.Jones, Corey Brewer, Kosta playing really solid on winning teams when usually they'd be glued to the bench elsewhere.

However he's awful at rotations and really hurting the team with X's and O's. Denver is in need of a change. Need an actual offensive\defensive system in place.

[NuggetsFan]

No kidding, how giddy was he that Melo was gone and he has a starless team? Never mind that they weren't going to do anything

Besides '09 last year beat anything Melo ever did in his entire career here. Just for the record. Nuggets forced a game 7. Besides the WCF run I think there was on series we pushed to 6? Usually out in 4\5 tho. Similar to what the Knicks have done actually. No doubt he loved this team post Melo, think it's more because without Melo you're pretty much free to do whatever you want. It's worked so far but Karl starting to look pretty bad.

Right 100% about the ego thing. You know Denver misses most about Melo? We not longer have a guy that's "bigger" than Karl in that sense. Last night if we had Melo Karl wouldn't have made that stupid play or tried to overcoach. He would have kicked it into Melo and let him do his thing. Instead we get some bullshit play call.

George Karl needs to make his mark on the game. Weather it be a rotation, not calling a TO and letting them play, drawing up a unique play etc. Turning some average player into a key piece of the team.

[niko]

Besides '09 last year beat anything Melo ever did in his entire career here. Just for the record. Nuggets forced a game 7. Besides the WCF run I think there was on series we pushed to 6? Usually out in 4\5 tho. Similar to what the Knicks have done actually. No doubt he loved this team post Melo, think it's more because without Melo you're pretty much free to do whatever you want. It's worked so far but Karl starting to look pretty bad.

Right 100% about the ego thing. You know Denver misses most about Melo? We not longer have a guy that's "bigger" than Karl in that sense. Last night if we had Melo Karl wouldn't have made that stupid play or tried to overcoach. He would have kicked it into Melo and let him do his thing. Instead we get some bullshit play call.

George Karl needs to make his mark on the game. Weather it be a rotation, not calling a TO and letting them play, drawing up a unique play etc. Turning some average player into a key piece of the team.

I didn't say you were worse off Melo is gone. I said Karl is glad Melo is gone because he's the star now. He is. He's always had issues with his stars.

You always tell me what was bad when Melo was there. Am i missing the incredible success you are having without him?

[NuggetsFan]

I didn't say you were worse off Melo is gone. I said Karl is glad Melo is gone because he's the star now. He is. He's always had issues with his stars.

You always tell me what was bad when Melo was there. Am i missing the incredible success you are having without him?

Read what you wrote champ. He was happy Melo was gone never mind they weren't going to do anything? Maybe I misunderstood but that seems like a shot at the Denver Nuggets. Figured I'd point out that they've done as much as 90% of their past. That's all.

I don't always tell you anything. I simply pointed out that Karl being happy even tho Denver Nuggets weren't going to do anything is moot because were matching what we did with a superstar already. Get it? Cause you pointed out he was happy without Melo, which he was even tho they weren't going to do anything? <-- that's the false.

[NuggetsFan]

Karl believes this team can win a championship :lol

[niko]

Read what you wrote champ. He was happy Melo was gone never mind they weren't going to do anything? Maybe I misunderstood but that seems like a shot at the Denver Nuggets. Figured I'd point out that they've done as much as 90% of their past. That's all.

I don't always tell you anything. I simply pointed out that Karl being happy even tho Denver Nuggets weren't going to do anything is moot because were matching what we did with a superstar already. Get it? Cause you pointed out he was happy without Melo, which he was even tho they weren't going to do anything? <-- that's the false.
Badly written. Let me reprhase. I don't think Karl cares if the team got better or worse when Melo left. I don't think he is happy because he thinks they got better. I think he is happy because HE is the star. Better or worse, i don't think it matters. He is the star, he can treat all the players like interchangable pieces. I think he likes that more than say Gallo becoming a superstar and being the face of the franchise and not Karl.

[NuggetsFan]

Badly written. Let me reprhase. I don't think Karl cares if the team got better or worse when Melo left. I don't think he is happy because he thinks they got better. I think he is happy because HE is the star. Better or worse, i don't think it matters. He is the star, he can treat all the players like interchangable pieces. I think he likes that more than say Gallo becoming a superstar and being the face of the franchise and not Karl.

See I can agree with that. He deff has a huge ego. That ego believes he's capable of winning a ring tho. When Melo left? He probably thought he could lead this team to a ring. Right now? He think can do it. All I'm saying. Karl wasn't happy Melo left for that reason alone, he thought they could be successful doing it.

If that makes any sense.

[airchibundo507]

most overrated coach in the NBA

[kurple]

agreed

said it in the game 2 thread as well

[Solefade]

But Denver totally overachieved by obtaining the 3rd seed in the west this season and he's up for COTY?

I think he just coached a couple bad games this series and also you can't really do anything when Steph Curry is shooting like that.

[9512]

George Karl. The same coach who choked to the Nuggets in 1994 when he was still in Seattle. :roll:

[francesco totti]

he is good coach, i rate him at the top ..( below thibodeau or popovich tho).

he overachieved with his team this year imo, and he is missing faried/gaillinari in playoffs

[chips93]

He is certainly overrated. I think everybody would agree with that. Not terrible but overrated.

just semantics, but how could everybody agree that somebody or something is overrated?

if we all agree that he is overrated, then who are the people who are overrating him?

[Michael_Wilbon]

just semantics, but how could everybody agree that somebody or something is overrated?

if we all agree that he is overrated, then who are the people who are overrating him?

:applause:

People don't seem to understand the concept of overrated and underrated around here.

[Johnny Jones]

I would love to have Karl as the head coach of the pelicans... Currently we have the worst coach in the NBA.:facepalm

[flipogb]

half of his old Melo team is in New York and doing great for another coach, does kinda make him look bad

[francesco totti]

half of his old Melo team is in New York and doing great for another coach, does kinda make him look bad



his denver team was in stacked west tho. cant say same for current knicks..


knicks wouldnt have homecourt in west

[Blackisbig]

He reminds me of Don Nelson. Overrated coach that is good enough to stick around forever but whose over inflated ego will prevent him from ever winning a championship..

[Myth]

I feel Nate McMillan was the most overrated. He was consistently in the COY talks, but he was a terrible Xs and Os coach that could not make necessary adjustments. His hype was because he could motivate a team to play hard, which will always win a decent enough games in the regular season, but in the playoffs every team is motivated so you need more than motivation to win.

His idea of coaching defense:
Coach: "We need to play defense"
Players: "How would you like us to play defense."
Coach: "Hard."
Players: "Any defensive scheme?"
Coach: "Zone I guess?"

His idea of coaching offense:
Coach: "Ok Roy, you will go in iso."
Other players: "What should we do?"
Coach: "Whatever you do, don't move when Roy has the ball"
....... Roy gets injured.....
Coach: "Ok Aldridge, you will go in iso....."

His idea of coaching in the playoffs:
Game 1: "Cool we squeaked out a win against the Suns. Let's stick with what worked and not have a backup plan for next game in the case that they make adjustments."
Game 2 (halftime): "Ok, so we just got blown out of the building before half time. Let's not try anything new in the second half to see what works."
Prepping for game 3: "Ok, so they blew us out that game.... every quarter. It must have been a fluke, let's not change anything."
Prepping for game 4: "Ok, so we didn't change anything and the results were the same. Let's try this one more time."
Game 4 (before 2nd quarter): "Ok, maybe now we should change something."
Prepping for game 5: "Well what do you know, those changes worked. Let's not do anything different this game from what we did the second portion of last game. No way Suns make more adjustments, only a crazy coach would make adjustments without waiting 2+ games."
Prepping for game 6: "Well that was ugly. Must have been another fluke. Let's not change anything again."
After game 6: "Well F***, I don't know what happened."

[Xiao Yao You]

the most overrated coach i've ever seen...

coincidentally he was the head coach of the olympic team that finished sixth place in the 2002 fiba here in the US.

He had no say on the roster which at that time was picked more on marketing young guys than winning. Many of the best players dropped out because of 911 if I remember correctly.

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/mwc_2002.html

We were asking to get beat in 2002 and 2004 and we did. This summer will be the first time they get guys together the summer before the World's which cost us in 2006 as well.


he's always been a shitty playoffs coach. now he sucks in the reg season as well

As his two finals with two different teams indicates. :wtf:


No kidding, how giddy was he that Melo was gone and he has a starless team? Never mind that they weren't going to do anything, he loved it. And he seemingly plays all those guys in order to not let anyone be a star either if you watch them. No one really has become anything of a go to player when they really need one

Can't blame him for wanting a team and not a bunch of isos with an overrated player. He's got depth and he uses it. That's their strength. Led the starless team to an amazing 57 wins! Got to be one of the greatest coaching jobs ever. He has his faults like every coach but the end results are hard to deny! He's won everywhere stars or no stars.


half of his old Melo team is in New York and doing great for another coach, does kinda make him look bad

They've got one of the highest paid rosters in the league. They are supposed to win! If anyone has looked bad it's Carmelo. Denver has the better team.

[entropy35]

I think he used to be one of the best defensive coaches, but recently his teams have been one of the best Offensive teams. Which i find wired.

[Y2Gezee]

Hate is a strong word, but i hate him.

most overrated coach in the history of basketball

:cheers:

[Y2Gezee]

I think he used to be one of the best defensive coaches, but recently his teams have been one of the best Offensive teams. Which i find wired.


Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp.

[NuggetsFan]

Great coach, great career and he's been great for Denver over the years, for the most part anyways. He's got a huge ego, stupid rotations and falls apart in the playoffs. Game has changed over the years and refuses to change up his system. If Denver loses in the first round, without question he has to go. I've wanted him gone for a little bit because I feel like Denver just needs to go in a new direction, but you can't argue with his results in the regular season.

He panicked last game. Benched Fournier and started Dre and fell into Jackson's plan. Give Jackson credit because he out coached him, hopefully that doesn't continue.

Basically everything I said last year in this very thread :lol

[NuggetsFan]

Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp.

Still tries to use the same defensive shit tho. The constant switching and his use of traps which against CP3 that one playoffs was a thing of beauty. Now with Curry trying to take the ball out of his hands so we can get drilled be 100's of 3 pointers.

I would just love some normal defense. I still get flashbacks of Nene trying to step out and guard Steve Nash 5-6 times a game.

[fsvr54]

I would love to have Karl as the head coach of the pelicans... Currently we have the worst coach in the NBA.:facepalm

Seems like most pro coaches suck based on what teams' fanbases think.

[Xiao Yao You]

Seems like most pro coaches suck based on what teams' fanbases think.

Except Sloan. He could do no wrong! :wtf:

[Y2Gezee]

I've said it for years. You pay Karl to coach players hard, and make them develop habits. Carmelo Anthony maybe most of all, JR Smith, Nene, Afflalo, owe a hell of a lot to George Karl in terms of how they developed into players, and learned the game. Karl made Melo develop his post game as much as he has and figure out how to take what defenses give him in terms of how to figure out how to attack. Made JR develop other facets of his game (he didn't figure out how to incorporate it all until Woodson let him play, and JR could stop hating his coach). Hell I can go back and say a lot of the same for what he's done in the past with his other teams like with Payton and Kemp.

Karl is a basic principles coach, teaches habits that aren't complex at all. But when he faces a style that these principles don't work well against, or another coach simply makes adjustments to figure him out....that's when you get the first true 8 vs 1 upset and a poor playoff record overall in Denver. Yet a pleasing regular season record...teams don't really adjust that much in the regular season.

[Xiao Yao You]

Karl made Melo develop his post game as much as he has

And was fortunate to have A.D. there to teach him all that he knew which was a lot.


Hell I can go back and say a lot of the same for what he's done in the past with his other teams like with Payton and Kemp.

Payton was a disappointment for a few seasons before he put it together finally.

[kurple]

Karl needs to unleash McGee. I dont understand what he is waiting for

javale will never turn into tim duncan. but the guy has a huge impact when he's in the game. Especially with the recent Koufos sucking

[niko]

Karl needs to unleash McGee. I dont understand what he is waiting for

javale will never turn into tim duncan. but the guy has a huge impact when he's in the game. Especially with the recent Koufos sucking

Karl doesn't like something about him (probably that he's from outer space) so he doesn't play him. I doubt it changes at any time.

[SilkkTheShocker]

he ****s us out of every close game with his shitty play calling and rotations

**** having a superstar. give me a coach who at least can design a play where the ball gets inbounded

You keep saying this, but Denver isn't winning shit until they get one.

[kurple]

dude, **** having a superstar

or even an all star

our offense is more than good enough without one, and i think a different coach would do more for our defense than a superstar (not counting LBJ)

I'd rather have a great TEAM like this, than any All Star not named LeBron (and maybe Rose). It's not like any of those will win either

[kurple]

Karl doesn't like something about him (probably that he's from outer space) so he doesn't play him. I doubt it changes at any time.
me too. people are saying he's still working on McGee and that he will se "11mill minutes" eventually, but i dont see it happening.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Hilarious how half the posters in this thread are Melo stans. Trying to throw Karl under the bus to make Melo look better.

[kurple]

people just dont know how bad he is because no one cares about the Nuggets

- He is the MASTER of double standards
- He has a bigger ego and is more stubborn than any player from the Melo era
- He doesnt know how to even spell defense
- We have lost waaay to many games because of his inability to draw up an decent inbound play

He is great at some aspects of the game. but sometimes i just wanna punch him in the face

[el gringos]

I've said it for years. You pay Karl to coach players hard, and make them develop habits. Carmelo Anthony maybe most of all, JR Smith, Nene, Afflalo, owe a hell of a lot to George Karl in terms of how they developed into players, and learned the game. Karl made Melo develop his post game as much as he has and figure out how to take what defenses give him in terms of how to figure out how to attack. Made JR develop other facets of his game (he didn't figure out how to incorporate it all until Woodson let him play, and JR could stop hating his coach). Hell I can go back and say a lot of the same for what he's done in the past with his other teams like with Payton and Kemp.

Karl is a basic principles coach, teaches habits that aren't complex at all. But when he faces a style that these principles don't work well against, or another coach simply makes adjustments to figure him out....that's when you get the first true 8 vs 1 upset and a poor playoff record overall in Denver. Yet a pleasing regular season record...teams don't really adjust that much in the regular season.terribly inaccurate- ESP the Karl developed Carmelo's post game. Not even close. If anything Carmelo turned from a power 3 to a perimeter 3 over his time with Karl.

Seemed like an intelligent well written post- unless you followed the nugs

Karl was terrible on Carmelo and jr smiths career.

[niko]

Hilarious how half the posters in this thread are Melo stans. Trying to throw Karl under the bus to make Melo look better.
Karl fought with his stars pre Melo. Just because you think basketball started when Lebron entered the league doesn't make it true.

[Lebron23]

I hate him too.