anyone else feel like the media/NBA isn't trying to hype/create any new superstars

[kennethgriffin]

ever since lebron it seems the media has put all its eggs in one basket in terms of extra hype

not a single player since has been made into a superstar before coming into the nba.

all the stars that have come since made themselves into stars. they earned their own way

durant was the last true hyped player. but even he didn't have a "next" anything flavor. they just said "he'l be good"

i remember when any supremely tallented guy would have had a gimmick or wwe like hype show before they even achived anything real. and by their first allstar game would have taken over the league popularity wise. but we're still stuck on the same old lebron/kobe thing

when will espn or tnt run a half hour pre game special about some guy like kyrie erving and how hes the hybrid of allen iverson/kobe bryant or some crap

even if its completely false. its not like they didn't run that gimmick in the 90's and 00's for the "next mj's" with guys who didn't come close like jerry stackhouse, isaih rider, harold minor, grant hill, vince carter etc...


the last few drafts not a single guy has recieved an ounce of real hype.

if that MKG dude came into the league 10 years ago the media, marketing machine would have made sure he was a house hold name by the 2nd week of the season.

then the team would have built up his stats for resale value or to sell tickets as a franchise player over the next decade


when will the media realise they don't need to give lebron any more of a push. he's already there. move on...

hop off already


am i right? :confusedshrug:

[nbarumorz]

clearly winning has become the necessary standard to achieve true stardom. That's why Irving/MKG haven't been hyped [although they both have marketing deals with maj shoe companies I think, not sure].

Also because there are enough stars already pretty much. Once the Duncan/Pierce class starts to retire, they will be replaced by the new round of celebs.

[kennethgriffin]

has the media even used the term "next kobe" or "next lebron" yet?

they were looking for the next one as early as MJ's 9th season

kobes in his 17th, lebrons in his 10th

i think its about time they started the hype machine and created another monster

[DatAsh]

has the media even used the term "next kobe" or "next lebron" yet?

they were looking for the next one as early as MJ's 9th season

kobes in his 17th, lebrons in his 10th

i think its about time they started the hype machine and created another monster

There hasn't been any recent player, other than perhaps Durant, that truly deserves the Kobe/Lebron hype.

[lilgodfather1]

There's a very simple reason for this tbh, and it's simply because nobody has been as good as LeBron since LeBron lol.

Wiggins is already a star though, and he is "able to score like Durant, only he's a better defender", which would make him right on LeBron's current level as a rookie...

Now of course I think that statement is exaggerated, but this kid is some kind of great in person. I got to see him a few years ago in Missisauga with my dad, and my god it was amazing. This was of course before he went to the US to school.

[MichaelCheazley]

Lin, kinda?

[nbarumorz]

There hasn't been any recent player, other than perhaps Durant, that truly deserves the Kobe/Lebron hype.


and durant wavered in the spotlight last year in the finals instead of growing stronger, like a true kobe/mj would do. I'm not worried about the lack of fake hype right now, it's relieving honestly :lol

[kennethgriffin]

There hasn't been any recent player, other than perhaps Durant, that truly deserves the Kobe/Lebron hype.

but like i said. when has the media ever been one to anoint hype to those who "only deserve it"

:lol

i'm tellin you... theyre giving up and putting all their work into creating a lebron GOAT run. theyre hype machine is still on his tip and its why i see him getting 6-8 mvps

so till then... every draft will be wasted and the casual fans will go without knowing who any of these guys are until their 5th year or so

[Derka]

Lebron, Rose, Howard, Durant, Rondo and Blake are selling enough jerseys and revenues are through the roof. National games get great ratings and this current crop of stars still has a few years left of stardom before the next generation starts to take over.

[lilgodfather1]

has the media even used the term "next kobe" or "next lebron" yet?

they were looking for the next one as early as MJ's 9th season

kobes in his 17th, lebrons in his 10th

i think its about time they started the hype machine and created another monster
MJ was in his 30's in his 9th season, where as LeBron is only 27 so there doesn't need to be a new LeBron at this point.

[kennethgriffin]

There's a very simple reason for this tbh, and it's simply because nobody has been as good as LeBron since LeBron lol.

Wiggins is already a star though, and he is "able to score like Durant, only he's a better defender", which would make him right on LeBron's current level as a rookie...

Now of course I think that statement is exaggerated, but this kid is some kind of great in person. I got to see him a few years ago in Missisauga with my dad, and my god it was amazing. This was of course before he went to the US to school.

who has been as good as jordan since jordan?

maybe only kobe for a 5 year span

how many next mj's were there?

exactly...

[asdf1990]

The player has to dominate after getting hyped just look at blake griffin. The hype machine was working full time in his rookie season but he didn't work on his game and didn't dominate like the hype said he would, therefore the hype went away.

[lilgodfather1]

who has been as good as jordan since jordan?

maybe only kobe for a 5 year span

how many next mj's were there?

exactly...
Nobody's been on Jordan's level, other than MAYBE LeBron in 2009, and 2010, but LeBron is the heir apparent or whatever that term is. Kobe has never been a dominant all around player like LeBron/Jordan, but his longevity has been amazing, and that is what has made him so great.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron was really more of a next kobe than a next oscar/magic/ or mj

kobe is the true next jordan in that he took over for him.

lebron really took over for kobe after his 2010 run and became the official leader of the nba/ torch carrier

so even though they were giving lebron that next jordan hype. it was residual residue left over from the jordan era

and kobe just had to bat after babe ruth. he did about as good a job as anyone could have.

but as for the next one who will take over. its best to start the hype now rather than later. that way youl get many matchups and chances to see the 2 go head to head.

right now we're still forced to anticipate a kobe/lebron matchup more than anything. and kobes near the end of his career

maybe its kobes fault more than anyones that the media hasnt looked for lebrons challenger due to kobes extraordinary longevity

[rodman91]

Lebron,Durant,Howard,Rose,Pau,Griffin,Melo etc. are still young. NBA's future is safe for now. When they'll get old media will hype every rising star again.

[Derka]

Nobody's been on Jordan's level, other than MAYBE LeBron in 2009, and 2010, but LeBron is the heir apparent or whatever that term is. Kobe has never been a dominant all around player like LeBron/Jordan, but his longevity has been amazing, and that is what has made him so great.

I don't think we can talk about Lebron as an "heir apparent" anymore. He's got his ring and he's the undisputed best player in the game. The next time we're talking about a player of his caliber, we'll be wondering if we'll ever see "the next Lebron."

Right now...the game is his.

[SevereUpInHere]

It also doesn't help that the most recent number 1 pick is possibly the ugliest guy ever to lace them up. Not the most marketable dude.

I thought it was going to be Rose, but the ACL has kinda stopped that. Durant is just kinda boring. Griffin hasn't panned out as good as he looked like being after his 1st season.

[kennethgriffin]

Nobody's been on Jordan's level, other than MAYBE LeBron in 2009, and 2010, but LeBron is the heir apparent or whatever that term is. Kobe has never been a dominant all around player like LeBron/Jordan, but his longevity has been amazing, and that is what has made him so great.

lol no way is lebron close to kobe/jordan in their prime

those guys had the clutch factor and won 5+ titles

lebrons still learning parts of the game and isnt near accomplished enough

anyone can win 1 title. and thats if you count that one as a whole title. i don't

but even if you did. you gotta win 2 to back it up.

[kennethgriffin]

It also doesn't help that the most recent number 1 pick is possibly the ugliest guy ever to lace them up. Not the most marketable dude.

I thought it was going to be Rose, but the ACL has kinda stopped that. Durant is just kinda boring. Griffin hasn't panned out as good as he looked like being after his 1st season.

none of these guys have the "it" factor because none of them are hyped enough

lebrons ugly as hell. he aint no fashion model by any stretch. but kids love the guy and worship him.

so it can't be the looks ... and larry bird proved that looks don't mean anything in terms of market value a looong time ago

[SevereUpInHere]

none of these guys have the "it" factor because none of them are hyped enough

lebrons ugly as hell. he aint no fashion model by any stretch. but kids love the guy and worship him.

so it can't be the looks ... and larry bird proved that looks don't mean anything in terms of market value a looong time ago

He's not a good looking dude, but come on man, we're talking unibrow here, Bron is good enough to show his face on ads.

Durant and Rose have no personality.

[rodman91]

lol no way is lebron close to kobe/jordan in their prime

those guys had the clutch factor and won 5+ titles

lebrons still learning parts of the game and isnt near accomplished enough

anyone can win 1 title. and thats if you count that one as a whole title. i don't

but even if you did. you gotta win 2 to back it up.

I agree. Lebron's real legacy is still most likely hype & controversy so far. His legacy is no where near as he is marketed yet. If he won't couple of more championships & FMVPs, he'll be remembered as one of the greats but kind of under achiever.

[asdf1990]

lol no way is lebron close to kobe/jordan in their prime

those guys had the clutch factor and won 5+ titles

lebrons still learning parts of the game and isnt near accomplished enough

anyone can win 1 title. and thats if you count that one as a whole title. i don't

but even if you did. you gotta win 2 to back it up.

Lmao, how many players have won 3 MVPS, 1 ring, 1 FMVP in a 4 year stretch, Lebron has been more dominant than kobe has ever been in his career, clutch factor he dropped 45/15/5 in a must win game on the road with the most pressure any superstar has faced in NBA history, and this was mostly in three quarters had the game been a little close it could have easily been a 50+ point game.

[rodman91]

It also doesn't help that the most recent number 1 pick is possibly the ugliest guy ever to lace them up. Not the most marketable dude.

I thought it was going to be Rose, but the ACL has kinda stopped that. Durant is just kinda boring. Griffin hasn't panned out as good as he looked like being after his 1st season.

Actually he is ugliness makes him marketable. He is a tall,raw defensive guy.. there is nothing much to hype yet.

[kennethgriffin]

Lmao, how many players have won 3 MVPS, 1 ring, 1 FMVP in a 4 year stretch, Lebron has been more dominant than kobe has ever been in his career, clutch factor he dropped 45/15/5 in a must win game on the road with the most pressure any superstar has faced in NBA history, and this was mostly in three quarters had the game been a little close it could have easily been a 50+ point game.

how do you win a season mvp? last i checked it was a media poll

its not something any player has control over.

said it a million times. it was ruined by nash having more than shaq, kobe, hakeem

rose has as many as these guys

its not a real trophy bro. its why kia hands them out and not the nba

he has 1 ring as a great player. thats all you need to look at


if the media mvp trophy was made out of Tiffany sterling silver with 24k gold plating and its 20k value was paid for by the nba, voted by an nba comity . then maybe it would hold value


but its just a black jostens wood mount with a bronze player model nailed to it that was paid for by a marketing ad that needs the players endorsement afterwards in commercials

[red1]

rose, blake and durant all get a ton of media hype

[HylianNightmare]

wiggins

[nathanjizzle]

because the NBA no longer drafts players out of highschool.

[DatAsh]

I think you underestimate how much correlation there is between greatness and hype. To get and maintain the kind of hype that Kobe/Lebron have had, you have to be damn good. It's no coincidence that the most hyped players in league history have also been among the best to ever play.


who has been as good as jordan since jordan?


I'm not sure anyone's been as good as 88'-93' Jordan since Jordan, as such, I'm not surprised that no one has received as much hype. Strictly speaking in terms of prime, Shaq and Lebron are probably the two best players I've seen since, but even they fall a little short.

[kennethgriffin]

rose, blake and durant all get a ton of media hype


not the type of hype kobe/lebron got


whos rose? hes just rose. no one ever said he was a legend in the making, next isaih thomas or anything

whos blake? hes just blake. ditto, and did anyone ever say he emulates anyone who even has a flavor that resembles a past legend?

durant... same..

like i said. the nba is going away from tieing a player to any past guy to create controvercy, hatred, and super fallowing or transfer of support


the thing that made kobe and lebron so polarizing is not just the fan support. but the hate. and you only generate hatred by getting a sense of spite, jealousy, envy

and if you hold none of these. then its due to backlash of rivaling another guy with that same type of stature

ala kobe vs vince, kobe vs tmac

but with none of these things present. no one really hates or fallows these new stars except for the fans from their city or a small group of hardcore out of towners

the casual fan is being killed off without new kobe/lebron type "next's"

[kennethgriffin]

I think you underestimate how much correlation there is between greatness and hype. To get and maintain the kind of hype that Kobe/Lebron have had, you have to be damn good. It's no coincidence that the most hyped players in league history have also been among the best to ever play.



I'm not sure anyone's been as good as 88'-93' Jordan since Jordan, as such, I'm not surprised that no one has received as much hype. Strictly speaking in terms of prime, Shaq and Lebron are probably the two best players I've seen since, but even they fall a little short.


yet every big name with an opinion tied to the nba has said nothing but "kobe is the closest thing since jordan"

why is your opinion so different than that of great intelligent basketball minds ( i.e. players, coaches, hof'rs )

:confusedshrug: lol

[asdf1990]

how do you win a season mvp? last i checked it was a media poll

its not something any player has control over.

said it a million times. it was ruined by nash having more than shaq, kobe, hakeem

rose has as many as these guys

its not a real trophy bro. its why kia hands them out and not the nba

he has 1 ring as a great player. thats all you need to look at


if the media mvp trophy was made out of Tiffany sterling silver with 24k gold plating and its 20k value was paid for by the nba, voted by an nba comity . then maybe it would hold value


but its just a black jostens wood mount with a bronze player model nailed to it that was paid for by a marketing ad that needs the players endorsement afterwards in commercials

you said kobe was hyped as the next jordan correct? Then you said the media hands out the award right? Why wasn't kobe given the award more often to get him closer to jordan? Why doesn't kia give the award to blake griffin every year since he is the only kia ambassador in the NBA if I am not mistaking?

[DatAsh]

yet every big name with an opinion tied to the nba has said nothing but "kobe is the closest thing since jordan"


In terms of style and overall career ranking, I agree; I was speaking strictly in terms of prime, though Kobe is close in that regard as well.

[nathanjizzle]

how do you win a season mvp? last i checked it was a media poll

its not something any player has control over.

said it a million times. it was ruined by nash having more than shaq, kobe, hakeem

rose has as many as these guys

its not a real trophy bro. its why kia hands them out and not the nba

he has 1 ring as a great player. thats all you need to look at


if the media mvp trophy was made out of Tiffany sterling silver with 24k gold plating and its 20k value was paid for by the nba, voted by an nba comity . then maybe it would hold value


but its just a black jostens wood mount with a bronze player model nailed to it that was paid for by a marketing ad that needs the players endorsement afterwards in commercials

david stern isnt the NBA?
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LOL at you trying to downplay the MVP award, saying thats why kia hands it out and not the nba.:roll: actually the nba hands them out not kia, kia is the sponsor because they want to put there logo next to the most popular name and face in the NBA of that year. "bro"

and lebrons "ring" that only matters, you mean the one that dwyane wade and chris bosh helped him get?:roll:

and your trying to correlate magnitude of accomplishment with the actual value of the trophy :roll: saying the mvp award is "nailed" together, your obviously biased.

[kennethgriffin]

david stern isnt the NBA?
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LOL at you trying to downplay the MVP award, saying thats why kia hands it out and not the nba.:roll: actually the nba hands them out not kia, kia is the sponsor because they want to put there logo next to the most popular name and face in the NBA of that year. "bro"

and lebrons "ring" that only matters, you mean the one that dwyane wade and chris bosh helped him get?:roll:

no the nba doesn't hand it out


the media who votes for it are not employed with the nba ( HANDS IT OUT. he who votes is the decider. and thus responsible for you recieving it )

stern hands it to people physically but he has nothing to do with the purchase of the trophy ( kia pays for it, they sponser the award )

and the media members are polled for it ( also not involved with the nba. they write articles and do commentary on tv stations or write columns in news papers for local adverts )


let me know when the nba goes back to paying for the trophy and letting people inside the nba vote for it like they did back in the 70's

[Pointguard]

lol no way is lebron close to kobe/jordan in their prime

those guys had the clutch factor and won 5+ titles

lebrons still learning parts of the game and isnt near accomplished enough

anyone can win 1 title. and thats if you count that one as a whole title. i don't

but even if you did. you gotta win 2 to back it up.

Jordan and Lebron's career by age are very similar - almost identical. And Kobe at that age hadn't won as the best player on his team yet. Lebron had achieved some incredible clutch feats as well in Clevelend and proved he could carry a bad team to the finals at 22, a year in which he was leagues best fourth quarter scorer as well. Lebron had also scored his teams final 26 points in the playoffs against a great defensive perimeter team, that had shut down all the other great perimeter players in playoffs as well. Lebron's overall playoff play is definitely phenomenal and more well rounded than any of predecessors.

As far as him having to win twice? its cancelled out by him leading his team in the three major categories as well as being their best defensive perimeter and post player. Its no fluke when you do that in the finals. Different if there was another player in the history of the game that had done that.

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan and Lebron's career by age are very similar - almost identical. And Kobe at that age hadn't won as the best player on his team yet. Lebron had achieved some incredible clutch feats as well in Clevelend and proved he could carry a bad team to the finals at 22, a year in which he was leagues best fourth quarter scorer as well. Lebron had also scored his teams final 26 points in the playoffs against a great defensive perimeter team, that had shut down all the other great perimeter players in playoffs as well. Lebron's overall playoff play is definitely phenomenal and more well rounded than any of predecessors.

As far as him having to win twice? its cancelled out by him leading his team in the three major categories as well as being their best defensive perimeter and post player. Its no fluke when you do that in the finals. Different if there was another player in the history of the game that had done that.


that doesnt really help lebron being on the current kobe/jordan status.. considering jordan was a failure/underachiver doing interviews about possibly never winning a title with pat riley during his 8th year in the league or so... lol

[Pointguard]

Why hype the next guy as the next Kobe? Kobe is the next Jordan. Kobe is Jordan Jr. The next Kobe is Jordan Junior Junior.

Kobe should have distinguished himself as a different type of player more in his career.

[nathanjizzle]

no the nba doesn't hand it out


the media who votes for it are not employed with the nba ( HANDS IT OUT. he who votes is the decider. and thus responsible for you recieving it )

stern hands it to people physically but he has nothing to do with the purchase of the trophy ( kia pays for it, they sponser the award )

and the media members are polled for it ( also not involved with the nba. they write articles and do commentary on tv stations or write columns in news papers for local adverts )


let me know when the nba goes back to paying for the trophy and letting people inside the nba vote for it like they did back in the 70's

wow, nice to be back in this section where people can say shit out of there ass. why does stern hand the player the award if it is not given by the NBA? for what reason? for no reason, because it is awarded by the NBA, sponsored by a company that pays the nba to have there logo next to there player, and voted by the media which was decided by the nba as the voting process.:facepalm
and you probably were too busy blowing lebrons nuts in 2011 to notice that every player and coach saying derrick rose deserved the mvp award.

and your saying if the nba cares enough to buy a 20k trophy then its a legit reward? common 20k to the NBA commission?:roll: thats like saying championship rings dont mean anything because there given by the owners of the team and not bought by the nba commision:roll:

[red1]

not the type of hype kobe/lebron got


whos rose? hes just rose. no one ever said he was a legend in the making, next isaih thomas or anything

whos blake? hes just blake. ditto, and did anyone ever say he emulates anyone who even has a flavor that resembles a past legend?

durant... same..

like i said. the nba is going away from tieing a player to any past guy to create controvercy, hatred, and super fallowing or transfer of support


the thing that made kobe and lebron so polarizing is not just the fan support. but the hate. and you only generate hatred by getting a sense of spite, jealousy, envy

and if you hold none of these. then its due to backlash of rivaling another guy with that same type of stature

ala kobe vs vince, kobe vs tmac

but with none of these things present. no one really hates or fallows these new stars except for the fans from their city or a small group of hardcore out of towners

the casual fan is being killed off without new kobe/lebron type "next's"
You have a point, all of the guys you mentioned in your original post got a shitload of hype as the next jordan, jordan was fresh in our minds in the late 90s and early 2000s so everyone in the media was quick to give someone that hype because we all thought that jordan was setting a prototype and that others would follow his career path.

Now our expectations are bit more reasonable after watching the stackhouses, tmacs, carters because we are not so shallow in assuming that hyperathletic wing automatically means jordan status. Now the analysts are a bit wiser and understand the intangible shit that made jordan unique. I'm talking about his hunger and competitiveness in addition to his extreme athleticism.

I'm sure the next kid who is hyperathletic and plays with a mean swagger at a young age will get overhyped too, we just haven't had any beast prospects since rose and maybe blake griffin.

[hoopaddict08]

Why hype the next guy as the next Kobe? Kobe is the next Jordan. Kobe is Jordan Jr. The next Kobe is Jordan Junior Junior.

Kobe should have distinguished himself as a different type of player more in his career.


Agreed.

The word superstar is getting thrown around way to loosely nowadays. There are a small handful of superstars in this league. There is a ton of all-star talent but a superstar in my opinion is someone that is more than likely heading to the hall of fa,e after their playing career.

Let a player earn their hype for once. The Cavs get Mo Williams and all of a sudden the media makes him out to be Lebrons Pippen. Give me a break.

[red1]

Kennethgriffin I am curious. Did you ever watch any cavaliers games from 2008 -2010?

[nathanjizzle]

according to OP, NCAA championships dont really mean anything because the trophies are made of wood!

[Poetry]

has the media even used the term "next kobe" or "next lebron" yet?

People are still looking for the next MJ. He set the bar.

So there's no reason to start looking for a lower bar if you know where the bar is set at.

And since Kobe and LeBron are still moving their respective bars on the all-time list, we have to wait and see where they end up.

We've got a horse in the race, let's see where it places.

If they both end up below MJ, then the search for the next MJ continues.

If they somehow manage to pass him up, then the search for the next Kobe or LeBron begins.

[alleykat]

Why hype the next guy as the next Kobe? Kobe is the next Jordan. Kobe is Jordan Jr. The next Kobe is Jordan Junior Junior.

Kobe should have distinguished himself as a different type of player more in his career.

:applause:

exactly spot on. there is a reason jordan wasn't the next bird or the next magic. it sucks because as good as a player kobe is, due to his similarities he has big shoes to fill which unfortunately are indeed too big for him to fill.

[FindingTim]

K-Griff, are you just trolling the crap out of everyone? if so I'm loving it.

also, plenty of players get hyped. Blake Griffin had tons of hype his rookie year, Rose gets treated like an Isaiah Thomas/ Mahatma Gandhi hybrid, and the Thunder- a small market franchise in Oklahoma City- get covered like they are the New York Yankees because times are changing and we digest the sport in a huge variety of ways, and players and teams now play a much larger role in popularity/coverage/ratings than markets and geography or demographics.

Also, if you are anything like me, you watch a lot less SportsCenter than you used to, and get most of your NBA info/highlights online. SportsCenter is a hype machine, after all their job is to create interest and get ratings, and without SportsCenter as an integral part of your daily routine, there is a lot less hype.

[CAstill]

Lmao, how many players have won 3 MVPS, 1 ring, 1 FMVP in a 4 year stretch, Lebron has been more dominant than kobe has ever been in his career, clutch factor he dropped 45/15/5 in a must win game on the road with the most pressure any superstar has faced in NBA history, and this was mostly in three quarters had the game been a little close it could have easily been a 50+ point game.
:facepalm

I'll take Kobe's run from 2008-2010
1 MVP
2 FMVP
3 Finals in a row
With plenty of clutch performances

[funnystuff]

:facepalm

I'll take Kobe's run from 2008-2010
1 MVP
2 FMVP
3 Finals in a row
With few clutch performances
Fixed.

[Money 23]

yet every big name with an opinion tied to the nba has said nothing but "kobe is the closest thing since jordan"
When they say that it is in reference to the aesthetics of their game, not production.

[Rubio2Gasol]

D Rose has one like no other. But the fact that he's a genuine person makes it ok.

[Jakeh008]

Wall was hyped since he played in HS.

[Heilige]

who has been as good as jordan since jordan?

maybe only kobe for a 5 year span

how many next mj's were there?

exactly...


What 5 year span was that?


Also, I thought you felt Kobe was better than Jordan overall and not just 5 years?

[BuffaloBill]

Lebron,Durant,Howard,Rose,Pau,Griffin,Melo etc. are still young. NBA's future is safe for now. When they'll get old media will hype every rising star again.




Pau Gasol?

[BuffaloBill]

Wall was hyped since he played in HS.


That's true. I wonder if he'll ever live up to the hype.

[bukowski81]

lebron was really more of a next kobe than a next oscar/magic/ or mj

kobe is the true next jordan in that he took over for him.

lebron really took over for kobe after his 2010 run and became the official leader of the nba/ torch carrier

so even though they were giving lebron that next jordan hype. it was residual residue left over from the jordan era

and kobe just had to bat after babe ruth. he did about as good a job as anyone could have.

but as for the next one who will take over. its best to start the hype now rather than later. that way youl get many matchups and chances to see the 2 go head to head.

right now we're still forced to anticipate a kobe/lebron matchup more than anything. and kobes near the end of his career

maybe its kobes fault more than anyones that the media hasnt looked for lebrons challenger due to kobes extraordinary longevity

Why do you need the media to tell you who is is good and what matchup to look forward?? Whatch some games and make your own judgement, NBA fans are weird...

[Metroid]

has the media even used the term "next kobe" or "next lebron" yet?

they were looking for the next one as early as MJ's 9th season

kobes in his 17th, lebrons in his 10th

i think its about time they started the hype machine and created another monster

I doubt the media will ever use the next Kobe to ever hype the best up and coming player, unless that player maybe plays for L.A. They're always going to use the next Jordan, and probably when Lebron is older, the next Lebron James. But Kobe's game looks a little like Jordan's, so that's another reason why they probably won't say the next Kobe, if the player had a similar style.

[NumberSix]

I think the media tries too hard to push guys that aren't deserving.

[SCdac]

lebron was really more of a next kobe than a next oscar/magic/ or mj

:oldlol:

I'm pretty sure Lebron has gotten alot more comparisons to Magic than Kobe. Get real. Wouldn't surprise me if Lebron ends up higher on the all time list than Kobe...

[NumberSix]

:oldlol:

I'm pretty sure Lebron has gotten alot more comparisons to Magic than Kobe. Get real. Wouldn't surprise me if Lebron ends up higher on the all time list than Kobe...
I'd be SHOCKED if he didn't.

[Y2Gezee]

NBA hyped Dwight, and Greg Oden damn near like they did Lebron.

Griffen got it after his Rookie year.

[aau]

no the nba doesn't hand it out


the media who votes for it are not employed with the nba ( HANDS IT OUT. he who votes is the decider. and thus responsible for you recieving it )

stern hands it to people physically but he has nothing to do with the purchase of the trophy ( kia pays for it, they sponser the award )

and the media members are polled for it ( also not involved with the nba. they write articles and do commentary on tv stations or write columns in news papers for local adverts )


let me know when the nba goes back to paying for the trophy and letting people inside the nba vote for it like they did back in the 70's



griff

the minute you stop posting on ish will
be the last day i frequent this board

disagreeing with you is a very rare occurrence
you apply more common sense in one post
than most here could deliver in a month

.

the media deciding the league's mvp is like the
dept of education voting 4 student of the year

it's totally obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense
that the league is in the bed naked with this dude

they were hell-bent on making him a champion and the face
of the league as if the future of the game depended on it

mvps couldn't do it .... without a title - however manufactured
them marketing dollars were going up in flames pretty
much like those wasted millions given to karl rove
during the republican presidential campaign

- doubly hard to market perennial losers

hopefully we can get back to some normalcy now
that their campaign was proven successful

[HardwoodLegend]

You'll never get bored of making threads that just veer off into you saying "Kobe is the closest thing to MJ since MJ" and "LeBron is not that good", huh?

[aau]

You'll never get bored of making threads that just veer off into you saying "Kobe is the closest thing to MJ since MJ" and "LeBron is not that good", huh?

the same as you'll never bore replying to them

[KG215]

griff
you apply more common sense in one post
than most here could deliver in a month

:oldlol:

[aau]

:oldlol:

the next time you make any kind of sense

will be your first

[red1]

the next time you make any kind of sense

will be your first
you serious dawg?

[KG215]

the next time you make any kind of sense

will be your first
Now I've got something to strive for. Striving to bring as much sense to the board as the most delusional stan on ISH. You've set the bar low but I think I can do it. Appreciate the reality check.

:cheers:

[HardwoodLegend]

the same as you'll never bore replying to them

I reply to 10% of them, if that.

And, that quote of mine isn't the typical challenge to what he said. So, in a sense, I wasn't feeding into his agenda. Only questioning his motivation.

[red1]

Now I've got something to strive for. Appreciate the reality check.

:cheers:


griff
you apply more common sense in one post
than most here could deliver in a month

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[FreezingTsmoove]

Just wait until Jabari and Wiggins draft year comes in 2 years. The hype will be unreal I tell yah. There gonna hype it as the NBA version on RG3/Luck.

Its gon be great

[RJChPD]

Somehow it seems like griff and aau are the same person.

[aau]

Now I've got something to strive for. Striving to bring as much sense to the board as the most delusional stan on ISH. You've set the bar low but I think I can do it. Appreciate the reality check.

:cheers:

i've read plenty of your posts

you're striving only as it relates to idiocy

[aau]

I reply to 10% of them, if that.

And, that quote of mine isn't the typical challenge to what he said. So, in a sense, I wasn't feeding into his agenda. Only questioning his motivation.

right , right

care to refute anything he said?

[KG215]

i've read plenty of your posts

you're striving only as it relates to idiocy
Right, why don't you come out from behind this alt account and confront me with your real one.

[DMV2]

Blake Griffin was definitely hyped the past two seasons.

[JellyBean]

You sure about that? I see Kevin Durant. Chris Paul. Deron Williams. Kevin Love. D-Rose. Blake Griffin. Dwight Howard, just to name a few. Kevin Durant more on a grand scale of things. The same can be said for Chris Paul.

[STATUTORY]

Just wait until Jabari and Wiggins draft year comes in 2 years. The hype will be unreal I tell yah. There gonna hype it as the NBA version on RG3/Luck.

Its gon be great

jabari and wiggins? kids ain't selling jerseys wit broke ass names like that :roll: :roll:

[atljonesbro]

Lebron,Durant,Howard,Rose,Pau,Griffin,Melo etc. are still young. NBA's future is safe for now. When they'll get old media will hype every rising star again.
:biggums:

[aau]

Right, why don't you come out from behind this alt account and confront me with your real one.

fool please

you think i need an alt to check you

you must think very highly of yourself

this is me and you have been confronted

now what

[pauk]

Thing with Lebron is that he was already so good at 17, unlike anything we have seen before or after from any player, he was probably the most NBA ready player ever at that age and also maybe the most gifted... it was very easy to see what was gona come...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

jabari and wiggins? kids ain't selling jerseys wit broke ass names like that :roll: :roll:
wiggins isn't that bad of a name.

[upside24]

There hasn't been any recent player, other than perhaps Durant, that truly deserves the Kobe/Lebron hype.
This.

[tmacattack33]

ever since lebron it seems the media has put all its eggs in one basket in terms of extra hype

not a single player since has been made into a superstar before coming into the nba.

all the stars that have come since made themselves into stars. they earned their own way

durant was the last true hyped player. but even he didn't have a "next" anything flavor. they just said "he'l be good"

i remember when any supremely tallented guy would have had a gimmick or wwe like hype show before they even achived anything real. and by their first allstar game would have taken over the league popularity wise. but we're still stuck on the same old lebron/kobe thing

when will espn or tnt run a half hour pre game special about some guy like kyrie erving and how hes the hybrid of allen iverson/kobe bryant or some crap

even if its completely false. its not like they didn't run that gimmick in the 90's and 00's for the "next mj's" with guys who didn't come close like jerry stackhouse, isaih rider, harold minor, grant hill, vince carter etc...


the last few drafts not a single guy has recieved an ounce of real hype.

if that MKG dude came into the league 10 years ago the media, marketing machine would have made sure he was a house hold name by the 2nd week of the season.

then the team would have built up his stats for resale value or to sell tickets as a franchise player over the next decade


when will the media realise they don't need to give lebron any more of a push. he's already there. move on...

hop off already


am i right? :confusedshrug:


John Wall and Greg Oden had tremendous hype. John Wall was famously called "already better than Derrick Rose" before the draft. Greg Oden was supposed to bring back the center position to the NBA.

As far as new super-stars, there's obviously Durant...but yeah, other than him, the faces of the NBA are still basically all the players from the redeem team.

Well there's also Derrick Rose, but he got injured. Rondo has gotten better and is now a super-star. And there's also Russell Westbrook too. But yeah, overall, the league's group of super-stars has stayed pretty much the same.

[ZMonkey11]

Why do you need the media to tell you who is is good and what matchup to look forward?? Whatch some games and make your own judgement, NBA fans are weird...

This thread is about hype. You missed the whole boat with this post. :facepalm

[embersyc]

I personally think the media constantly overhypes the players below:

Derrick Rose
Russel Westbrook
Jeremy Lin
James Harden
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Rajan Rondo
Dwight Howard

I think they are trying, just none of these guys are actually good enough to live up the hype.

[lilgodfather1]

Thing with Lebron is that he was already so good at 17, unlike anything we have seen before or after from any player, he was probably the most NBA ready player ever at that age and also maybe the most gifted... it was very easy to see what was gona come...
Oh for sure, and I don't even know if this is questionable. He would have been the number one pick in the draft as a 17 year old junior. He would have been a lotto pick as a sophmore. I actually would have liked to see him come out as a junior, but I don't think he would have been allowed to do so.

[Solid Snake]

You guys kill me with this whole "media" thing. You act like the media is one collective conscience who scrolls through an index and tries to appoint the next so and so.

So you think that Bobby down at the local sports station is collaborating with Sally, a local beat writer, who then both get together with the rest of the "media" to decide?

You guys are so stupid. It's one thing to say Stern is looking for his nextsuperstar, ok sure, that's ONE person, and he definitely would do that. But why would the "media" do it? All that John, and Tim and Bob and the rest of the "media" do, is look for STORIES. Stories that generate interest. So whoever is interesting at the moment, is going to be the one that gets a lot of coverage. It has NOTHING to do with the "media" trying to appoint anyone. WHY THE **** WOULD THEY CARE?????? They have no vested interest in it. Why would Tom the sports guy on the 11 O' Clock news be LOOKING FOR THE NEXT LEBROn???????????????? Tom is merely showing up to work, and goes home to a family. Why would Jesse the sideline reporter be collborating with her fellow "media" to choose a superstar? Jesse is just doing her little sideline interviews. The guy writing in the local paper is just gonna cover the hot topics. Etc Etc ETc.

See how stupid it sounds when you put a "face" to individuals in the "media?" You can't use a blanket term like "media," like you can with "government." Cuz with government, sure it's made up of different people with different agendas, but there's common groups fighting for a singular goal.

You're telling me that Tom, Bob, Tim, and Sally have some singular goal? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH


End of story.

[bukowski81]

This thread is about hype. You missed the whole boat with this post. :facepalm

No i didnt :facepalm

Some dude said that the hype should start sooner so we know what matchups to look forward too and i replied directly to that, is it really that hard to follow?

[lilgodfather1]

jabari and wiggins? kids ain't selling jerseys wit broke ass names like that :roll: :roll:
Parker, and Wiggins first off.

And if Wiggins is drafted by his hometown Raptors (it's going to happen, let's be real here...) he will have an entire Nation behind him if he is a star.

[Doranku]

Lmao, how many players have won 3 MVPS, 1 ring, 1 FMVP in a 4 year stretch, Lebron has been more dominant than kobe has ever been in his career, clutch factor he dropped 45/15/5 in a must win game on the road with the most pressure any superstar has faced in NBA history, and this was mostly in three quarters had the game been a little close it could have easily been a 50+ point game.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[alleykat]

oh they will. sooner or later they will. I have a feeling he's going to come from toronto or play there. small market that has the potential to explode if under the right circumstances is a perfect business opportunity. vince carter doesn't count tho

[lilgodfather1]

oh they will. sooner or later they will. I have a feeling he's going to come from toronto or play there. small market that has the potential to explode if under the right circumstances is a perfect business opportunity. vince carter doesn't count tho
This is where Andrew Wiggins steps in. Kid's from the Toronto area, and if he is a star like I said earlier he will have the entire nation behind him, not just Toronto.