Why is everyone blaming Kobe?

[blood yes]

All you guys in this forum know that I'm not a Kobe fan, but let's be honest...

Kobe is playing POINT GUARD out there! He is a shooting guard, yet he is sacrificing his energy out there and playing Nash's position out there. He is being asked to drop 30, AND dish out 6-8 dimes EVERY night. The dude is 34 years old, and he doesn't have that natural sense that lebron, cp3, rondo, Rubio has. Kobe is the LEAST of the problems right now. He doesn't even like to pass, but he has been averaging the most assists in this laker squad!

The problems start with gasol and Howard. Kobe is playing point guard, shooting guard, and sometimes the small forward out there! And you guys are saying Kobe needs to "give something up"?

I ain't a Kobe homer like som of u out there ( u guys know ur names) , but for real, Kobe is NOT the problem right now for this lakers team that might not even make the playoffs

[Phenith]

Forget the point guard issue, forget stats, forget everything and answer this, how does an all time great guard get on the court with Dwight and Pau and have a losing record after 17 games? I'm not putting it solely on Kobe because it isn't just him, but his ability to gel with team mates has been an issue before and a losing record is going to come back to the player who is supposed to be an all time great in the end.

With that said, this Lakers squad is suffering from some major chemistry issues. They have the season to figure out it and if they are lucky they can score a 4th or 5th seed and have a winnable first round series. But they definitely don't look like a team that can win it all right now.

[NumberSix]

blah blah blah
Yes, we get. Nothing is ever remotely Kobe's fault. This isn't new. We all know this routine, so save it.

[chips93]

I ain't a Kobe homer like som of u out there ( u guys know ur names) , but for real, Kobe is NOT the problem right now for this lakers team that might not even make the playoffs

bolded applies to most people doe, regardless of ones attitude to kobe

:biggums:

[NLZ]

how does an all time great guard get on the court with Dwight and Pau and have a losing record after 17 games? How does the "best center in the NBA" get on the court with an all time great guard and have a losing record after 17 games?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Cause kobe haters have been having a hard time for 17 years now. You cant take such frustrated ppl opinions seriously...

[CavaliersFTW]

All you guys in this forum know that I'm not a Kobe fan, but let's be honest...

Kobe is playing POINT GUARD out there! He is a shooting guard, yet he is sacrificing his energy out there and playing Nash's position out there. He is being asked to drop 30, AND dish out 6-8 dimes EVERY night. The dude is 34 years old, and he doesn't have that natural sense that lebron, cp3, rondo, Rubio has. Kobe is the LEAST of the problems right now. He doesn't even like to pass, but he has been averaging the most assists in this laker squad!

The problems start with gasol and Howard. Kobe is playing point guard, shooting guard, and sometimes the small forward out there! And you guys are saying Kobe needs to "give something up"?

I ain't a Kobe homer like som of u out there ( u guys know ur names) , but for real, Kobe is NOT the problem right now for this lakers team that might not even make the playoffs
Jerry West lead the league in assists when the Lakers assigned him to be point guard after being a career-long shooting guard. The Lakers also won 33 games in a row, had a 69 win season, and won a championship that year. I get it though, we are asking too much out of Kobe trying to get him to play point guard. He simply isn't that good, he isn't that complete of a player to be able to do that, that's what your saying right now right? :lol

[asdf1990]

thats where the lakers went wrong making kobe pg, now he has the ball more so he chucks even more taking his teammates out if the game

[Heavincent]

Cause kobe haters have been having a hard time for 17 years now. You cant take such frustrated ppl opinions seriously...

This.

Kobe is the least of their problems right now. He's playing out of his natural position but he's still playing fine.

[blood yes]

For all of you guys thinking I'm a Kobe homer, I'm not, lmfao. I want the heat to win the ring, and I want lebron to succeed

But I'm speaking the truth when I say that it ISN'T Kobe's fault. Kobe has been asked to play like fckin Derrick rose out there. Score 30 points, dish out 7 assists. That takes a nasty toll on Kobe's body. Let's not forget, that he is the one bringing the ball up, telling his teammates where to go, etc...

If you ever played pg in high school, u would know how much coaches stress on their point guards.

[chosen_one6]

Kobe is playing POINT GUARD out there! He is a shooting guard, yet he is sacrificing his energy out there and playing Nash's position out there. He is being asked to drop 30, AND dish out 6-8 dimes EVERY night.



Yet he is averaging 5 assists a game with 4 turnovers. That's a terrible POINT GUARD if you ask me.

Dwight and Pau can't dribble the ball up the court and initiate the offense, but Kobe can. Whether a team is winning or losing, the blame always falls on the team leader. Such is the world of sports and everyone that has been following it for more than a few years should know that by now.

[chazzy]

His high efficiency is ruining team chemistry, his teammates expect more misses and it's throwing them off. He also needs to do a better job of healing Pau's knees, too selfish.

[RRR3]

His high efficiency is ruining team chemistry, his teammates expect more misses and it's throwing them off. He also needs to do a better job of healing Pau's knees, too selfish.
He's shooting 40% the last 5 games.

[Heavincent]

His high efficiency is ruining team chemistry, his teammates expect more misses and it's throwing them off. He also needs to do a better job of healing Pau's knees, too selfish.

He should also shoot Dwight's free throws for him. What the hell kind of leader lets his teammate should 40% from the FT line?

[blood yes]

He should also shoot Dwight's free throws for him. What the hell kind of leader lets his teammate should 40% from the FT line?
40%:wtf: :banghead: :banghead:

[chazzy]

He's shooting 40% the last 5 games.
Have the Lakers only been underperforming for the past 5 games?

[RRR3]

He should also shoot Dwight's free throws for him. What the hell kind of leader lets his teammate should 40% from the FT line?
I still wanna know why Chuck Person (career 72% FT shooter) is his FT coach and not Nash or Kobe. Dwight is single-handedly killing my fantasy team in FT%

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't know about everyone, but if he is getting the majority of the blame it's because he is their leader and best player.

You get the majority of the credit when you win, you get the majority of the blame when you lose, regardless of the context. That's just how things work.

[Heavincent]

40%:wtf: :banghead: :banghead:

That was an exaggeration on my part. He's actually shooting 46.5% :bowdown:

I don't understand how a pro basketball player can be so bad at shooting FT's. Give me 11 FT's a game and I'd probably hit 7 or so.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

He's shooting 40% the last 5 games.

and still is the most efficient starter in that stretch of games

Gasol and Morris are shooting sub 400, World Peace is around Kobe's numbers but without getting to the line as much as Kobe does and Howard is bricking FTs

:confusedshrug:

[blood yes]

That was an exaggeration on my point. He's actually shooting 46.5% :bowdown:

I don't understand how a pro basketball player can be so bad at shooting FT's. Give me 11 FT's a game and I'd probably hit 7 or so.
I guess, it could be the large amounts of pressure though. I'm sure in practice, Dwight could shoot around 65-70%, but in the games, with all the fans booing, and with his name being everywhere in the media, he's just melting down

[ihoopallday]

I still wanna know why Chuck Person (career 72% FT shooter) is his FT coach and not Nash or Kobe. Dwight is single-handedly killing my fantasy team in FT%

We ended up tied in our matchup last week. But yeah, your FT % is pretty bad.

[RRR3]

We ended up tied in our matchup last week. But yeah, your FT % is pretty bad.
That's cuz Dwight choked in a few categories at the last minute and Shannon Brown got 7 boards by some miracle. You got lucky, son, I'll destroy you next time.

[red1]

why is everyone blaming kobe? I'll give you three good reasons. 1. 9erempire 2. kobe143 3. mr jabbar

[DuMa]

poor leadership
poor defense
poor playmaking
poor IQ. even kobe should know better by now that his scoring isnt needed greatly on this team. get your bigs involved more

[poido123]

This.

Kobe is the least of their problems right now. He's playing out of his natural position but he's still playing fine.

Here you are, in another Kobe thread defending him:lol

Playing fine? So kobe shooting his team out of games is fine with you, as long as he breaks records and gets his stats...Sound about right?

[poido123]

why is everyone blaming kobe? I'll give you three good reasons. 1. 9erempire 2. kobe143 3. mr jabbar

Wish it was that easy. And yes those posters are annoying, well I think Mr Jabbar is a much better poster than those other two retards.


Kobe is able to disguise the blame on himself by putting up stats. What Kobe fans are ignoring, is that he holds up ball movement and shoots the team out of games-something that kills team chemistry and disrupts the offense.

Kobe sits on his high horse and tells Pau to adjust and put his big boy pants on etc etc when really Kobe hasnt made an adjustment himself. Like to see Kobe put his big boy pants on after being benched for ballhogging and chucking :lol

[poido123]

I still wanna know why Chuck Person (career 72% FT shooter) is his FT coach and not Nash or Kobe. Dwight is single-handedly killing my fantasy team in FT%

:lol Dwight apparently practices his ft's quite a bit in practice and does well. He has trouble transfering that success to games.

[bdreason]

I've watched most of the Lakers games this season, and I wouldn't blame Kobe for their slow start.

[Heavincent]

Playing fine? So kobe shooting his team out of games is fine with you, as long as he breaks records and gets his stats...Sound about right?

He's quite clearly been the best player on the team so far :confusedshrug: I'd say that's fine.

[poido123]

I've watched most of the Lakers games this season, and I wouldn't blame Kobe for their slow start.

Yeah ok. Keep shooting away Kobe, your team wins games most of the time when you do...:rolleyes:

[Heavincent]

Yeah ok. Keep shooting away Kobe, your team wins games most of the time when you do...:rolleyes:

4 out of 5 of Kobe's rings came with him taking over 20 shots a game :confusedshrug: So yeah, Kobe taking a shitload of shots is a pretty good recipe for success.

[Sharmer]

Jamison outscored Kobe in against Denver, then 1 game later, Kobe has to put 27 shots.

Don't know whats with this guy, shoot less, and get your team involved.

[blood yes]

Lmfao at the kids saying Kobe is the problem. He is NOT. Everyone says how Kobe has been a ball hog, but he's averaging the MOST assists on his team, he is looking to get his teammates involved, and he plays POINT GUARD!!

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

4 out of 5 of Kobe's rings came with him taking over 20 shots a game :confusedshrug: So yeah, Kobe taking a shitload of shots is a pretty good recipe for success.

You fail at logic.

[CAstill]

Yeah ok. Keep shooting away Kobe, your team wins games most of the time when you do...:rolleyes:

You obviously don't watch the game.
The bigs have constant action go through them
they just don't do much lol. They get out hustled on rebounds.
That's the worst part. Lakers give up too many second chance points
and that's mostly on the bigs. Kobe can watch his shots a little
but he is far from the problem.
This game is getting blown out proportion
we we're learning to play through a Hack a Howard type defense.
We lost big deal. The ship will be corrected and everything will be fine.

[poido123]

4 out of 5 of Kobe's rings came with him taking over 20 shots a game :confusedshrug: So yeah, Kobe taking a shitload of shots is a pretty good recipe for success.

When he was in his prime and had shaq carrying most of the load? Sounds about right.

If you want to get into specifics, Kobe shooting too much usually comes when he plays hero ball and tries to win the games himself.

You're very dillusional if you think that Kobe shooting alot on this team is a recipe for success.

[poido123]

Lmfao at the kids saying Kobe is the problem. He is NOT. Everyone says how Kobe has been a ball hog, but he's averaging the MOST assists on his team, he is looking to get his teammates involved, and he plays POINT GUARD!!

There would be a problem if Kobe didn't have the most assists playing the PG, even though that maybe so, his assist totals are nothing to write home about. On a team like that, you could get 4 assists a game without trying.

There will likely be problems when Nash gets back. Kobe will want his 20 shots a game, and Kobe wont get the ball enough to do that. Provided that he let's nash run the offense :lol

[outbreak]

The blame should be on lakers front office for setting up a coaching unit that allows/tells kobe to shoot this much.

[scandisk_]

I say Dwight and Pau team up and throw Kobe under the bus, and bully him to death. Expose that fake assassin persona.

just kiddin :D

Seriously though, everyone's to blame. Just suck all the sh*t and move on.

[swag2011]

When he was in his prime and had shaq carrying most of the load? Sounds about right.

If you want to get into specifics, Kobe shooting too much usually comes when he plays hero ball and tries to win the games himself.

You're very dillusional if you think that Kobe shooting alot on this team is a recipe for success.

Some people have made good points in this thread and have actually watched the games. After reading several of your posts, i have come to the conclusion that THIS is why you're mad

http://allstarvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kobe-bryant-pic-getty-458428273.jpg

Am i right? :cheers:

[ZenMaster]

I thought everybody was blaming Gasol and D'Antoni:confusedshrug:

[funnystuff]

The real title to this thread is, "Why is Kobe blaming everyone?"


A real leader doesn't sit there at b*tch about how bad his teammates are.
Not the way to go about getting W's Kobe.

[Heavincent]

A real leader doesn't sit there at b*tch about how bad his teammates are.


Who's doing that? :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Who's doing that? :confusedshrug:
Dwight :lol

[Dictator]

lol at everyone saying kobe.


Kobe is still dropping 5 dimes. His tos went up because he's playing out of position in a system that needs a point guard.

Pau has been having some problems and Dwight can't even manage to avg over 12fga because he's fouled from the beginning to the end of games.

If anything it's D'antoni's fault for running his offense without the main piece of the puzzle......steve oldman nash.

Where's a Bernie Bickerstaff when you need em'.

[longtime lurker]

All you guys in this forum know that I'm not a Kobe fan, but let's be honest...

Kobe is playing POINT GUARD out there! He is a shooting guard, yet he is sacrificing his energy out there and playing Nash's position out there. He is being asked to drop 30, AND dish out 6-8 dimes EVERY night. The dude is 34 years old, and he doesn't have that natural sense that lebron, cp3, rondo, Rubio has. Kobe is the LEAST of the problems right now. He doesn't even like to pass, but he has been averaging the most assists in this laker squad!

The problems start with gasol and Howard. Kobe is playing point guard, shooting guard, and sometimes the small forward out there! And you guys are saying Kobe needs to "give something up"?

I ain't a Kobe homer like som of u out there ( u guys know ur names) , but for real, Kobe is NOT the problem right now for this lakers team that might not even make the playoffs

When Kobe was playing efficiently everyone was praising him for playing some of his best basketball in years yet the Lakers were still 1-4. Not a peep was heard from these idiots. Now all of a sudden the board is flooded with idiotic threads yet the Lakers are a .500 team. Haters gonna hate.

[longtime lurker]

Wish it was that easy. And yes those posters are annoying, well I think Mr Jabbar is a much better poster than those other two retards.


Kobe is able to disguise the blame on himself by putting up stats. What Kobe fans are ignoring, is that he holds up ball movement and shoots the team out of games-something that kills team chemistry and disrupts the offense.

Kobe sits on his high horse and tells Pau to adjust and put his big boy pants on etc etc when really Kobe hasnt made an adjustment himself. Like to see Kobe put his big boy pants on after being benched for ballhogging and chucking :lol

Question for you since you seem to know soooo much about the Lakers team and Kobe. How many Lakers games have you watched this year?

[Cali Syndicate]

When Kobe was playing efficiently everyone was praising him for playing some of his best basketball in years yet the Lakers were still 1-4. Not a peep was heard from these idiots. Now all of a sudden the board is flooded with idiotic threads yet the Lakers are a .500 team. Haters gonna hate.

Not sure if publicly calling out his teammates is a good leadership quality. The chemistry of the team is waning.

Nash return will put everything into perspective.

[The-Legend-24]

Because this is ISH. Kobe's probably the most hated player on this board by a wide margin. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Kobes Brian

[longtime lurker]

Not sure if publicly calling out his teammates is a good leadership quality. The chemistry of the team is waning.

Nash return will put everything into perspective.

This has to do with the pussification of the league. You guys need to try using your brains for once. Kobe calls out Gasol not because he dislikes him but because he knows he can do so much better. Kobe is the teacher that's hard on a talented yet lazy student because he knows that there's so much more potential. You ever notice that he never calls out Artest? Why because Artest bring it every game! Remember these guys haven't played with each other and they're running a system that needs a true point guard. Let's see what happens when Nash returns, on wait because this board is so predictable posters will give Nash all the credit when this team puts together a win streak!

[NumberSix]

This has to do with the pussification of the league. You guys need to try using your brains for once. Kobe calls out Gasol not because he dislikes him but because he knows he can do so much better. Kobe is the teacher that's hard on a talented yet lazy student because he knows that there's so much more potential. You ever notice that he never calls out Artest? Why because Artest bring it every game! Remember these guys haven't played with each other and they're running a system that needs a true point guard. Let's see what happens when Nash returns, on wait because this board is so predictable posters will give Nash all the credit when this team puts together a win streak!
Nah, Kobes Brian does it to preemptively deflect any blame off of himself. This niqqa been scapegoating anyone he possibly can his entire career.

[longtime lurker]

Nah, Kobes Brian does it to preemptively deflect any blame off of himself. This niqqa been scapegoating anyone he possibly can his entire career.

Just stop posting you're an idiot

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nah, Kobes Brian does it to preemptively deflect any blame off of himself. This niqqa been scapegoating anyone he possibly can his entire career.

Kobe spends more time shooting like shit than shooting well, and his stans just turn the other cheek, blame the team, blame Phil, blame "the zone", blame everything but the actual guy shooting the ball. WHY? Because he MAY score 40 points SOMEDAY. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Just stop posting you're an idiot
Of course. Nothing more idiotic than posting pure indisputable truth. :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I fuq'd ur sister.

[chazzy]

Kobe spends more time shooting like shit than shooting well, and his stans just turn the other cheek, blame the team, blame Phil, blame "the zone", blame everything but the actual guy shooting the ball. WHY? Because he MAY score 40 points SOMEDAY. :oldlol:
What are his efficiency stats this year?

[poido123]

Some people have made good points in this thread and have actually watched the games. After reading several of your posts, i have come to the conclusion that THIS is why you're mad

http://allstarvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kobe-bryant-pic-getty-458428273.jpg

Am i right? :cheers:

:lol

Have you noticed how many threads are calling your man out? If I was the only one "mad" then yeah you would have a point :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What are his efficiency stats this year?

What are they the last 4-5 games? What about his turnovers and defense? :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Just stop posting you're an idiot

Why? Because he calls Kobe out? :lol

He made a very valid point there :confusedshrug:

[chazzy]

What are they the last 4-5 games? What about his turnovers and defense? :confusedshrug:
Did the Lakers struggles only start in the past 4-5 games? He's been far more efficient than expected this year and people are still whining about it

[longtime lurker]

Why? Because he calls Kobe out? :lol

He made a very valid point there :confusedshrug:

Yes he made a good point playing arm chair psychologist? Kobe's taken responsibility for team losses many games. He's even talked about his turnovers, but hey I wouldn't expect you guys to pay attention to anything that goes against your twisted beliefs. Anyways question for you Mr. Laker expert how many Lakers games have you seen this year?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Did the Lakers struggles only start in the past 4-5 games? He's been far more efficient than expected this year and people are still whining about it

It's not just his volume shooting though (just like the Lakers struggles aren't only on Pau).

[Legends66NBA7]

It's not just his volume shooting though (just like the Lakers struggles aren't only on Pau).

Exactly.

Everyone has a part to be blamed for.

[chazzy]

It's not just his volume shooting though (just like the Lakers struggles aren't only on Pau).
My posts were in response to you saying he's spending more time shooting like shit than well and people are ignoring it. If anything, the opposite is true in this thread with the stuff people are saying. It sounds like he's shooting 40% on the year :lol

[kNIOKAS]

LA BABy
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/502a70deecad048452000001-400-/dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers.jpg

[lakerfreak]

Blame shouldn't go on Kobe, or on the new coach.

Basketball is a game of momentum. It is also a mental game. When you do well, it seems to rub off.

If Dwight Howard is out there shooting 20 free throws, and making 6 or 7, thats about 13 or 14 missed free throws, easy points to add to your total. Its a big ass-kicker when you lose a game by 10 points or less. Something else to consider is what Phil Jackson the great said about Shaq; "When you miss two free throws in a row, its like a turnover".

Lets also consider, that some other players on the team with easier roles, aren't fulfilling what they need to do. i.e. Pau Gasol can't hit a midranger to save his life right now and thats terrible.

Missed free throws + missed wide open shots.... how the hell can anyone expect to win anything with that? Its that simple. Make your shots and it will rub off.

[Nevaeh]

Blame shouldn't go on Kobe, or on the new coach.

Basketball is a game of momentum. It is also a mental game. When you do well, it seems to rub off.

If Dwight Howard is out there shooting 20 free throws, and making 6 or 7, thats about 13 or 14 missed free throws, easy points to add to your total. Its a big ass-kicker when you lose a game by 10 points or less. Something else to consider is what Phil Jackson the great said about Shaq; "When you miss two free throws in a row, its like a turnover".

Lets also consider, that some other players on the team with easier roles, aren't fulfilling what they need to do. i.e. Pau Gasol can't hit a midranger to save his life right now and thats terrible.

Missed free throws + missed wide open shots.... how the hell can anyone expect to win anything with that? Its that simple. Make your shots and it will rub off.

You better be throwing "turnovers" in there, as way to possibly win as well. The team's "Leader" should at least know how to protect the ball, after 17 years man, be real.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Yet another beat around the bush "it's everybody's fault but Kobe's" post. Step ya'll muthaf@ckin' games up man, and quit playing.

[poido123]

Yes he made a good point playing arm chair psychologist? Kobe's taken responsibility for team losses many games. He's even talked about his turnovers, but hey I wouldn't expect you guys to pay attention to anything that goes against your twisted beliefs. Anyways question for you Mr. Laker expert how many Lakers games have you seen this year?

Ive watched 8 games this year. my friend has league pass...I watched alot of Kobe over the years to form a very accurate opinion of him.

So he talks about his turnovers and avoids addressing shooting ill-advised shots on a consistent basis? Often at the detriment of the team...Its easy to disguise poor teamwork if your putting up the stats. :confusedshrug:

[Beatlezz]

Because people always blame god for their miserable lives. :crazysam:

[I<3NBA]

why is everyone blaming Kobe?

seems fair considering Kobe's blaming everyone else.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I've watched most of the Lakers games this season, and I wouldn't blame Kobe for their slow start.

Not by a long shot. He is the only one bringing consistent effort and production ever night. Idiots are just looking for any excuse to diminish his greatness. He is in his 17th year and he is still playing at a superstar level. It must be hard for some people to accept.

[swi7ch]

Because he's putting up 30 and they're 1-6 when he does that. How about he scores 15 and let another player score the other 15 to get them involved? :confusedshrug:

[Jasper]

Kobe was a whippin' post for ISH for years until the Lebron Decision occurred.

Now that is void , Kobe is back on the post

If LA fans where to blame anyone they can start with Buss.

Shaq still had a couple years and would of brought another title Pau did.

But lack of acquiring viable players through drafts trades etc has hurt his bench and future.
Money talks in many ways.