Everything that is Overrated (Breaking Bad and Marvel Studios)

[Money 23]

I am currently watching Breaking Bad. I have a few friends that swear by it. And begged me to give it a shot.

I am 3 seasons deep, and I"m sorry but this show is terrible. So many plot contrivances, so many writing / character inconsistencies. Spotty acting.

And a protagonist that is completely un-likable (as is most of the cast) ... why are people all over this show's tip?

So much overacting, un-intentionally funny characters (the overly loving retarded son) ... I am amazed people consider this show a success. Like most television shows from networks not named HBO, they are horrendously cheesy. Another example: American Horror Story. The show completely sucked.

How dare anyone insinuate this is better than the Sopranos, the Wire, Oz, etc.

If anyone wants to chime in and enlighten me why they consider this series good, please do so.

But also, list something else you consider to be massively overrated. Another one for me is all Marvel Studio movies not the original Iron Man, and especially the Avengers.

[Balla_Status]

Being different just because.

:cheers:

[Money 23]

Being different just because.

:cheers:
I'm not being contrarian for the sake.

I gave you reasons.

[QUIZZLE]

I hate eating, sex, mary j, funny movies, and Olive Garden's breadsticks.
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[Money 23]

"The Dark Knight" in particular. It is a solid comic book movie, but not nearly as good as most people make it out to be. I don't normally pay mind to IMDB ratings, but TDK being #7 out of every movie ever is just funny. Possibly the most overrated movie of all time.
I don't agree with it being the 7th best movie of all time, that's ridiculous but LMAO @ the bold.

:oldlol:

The rest I agree with, apart from the video game thing. I don't have time for that stuff.

[flipogb]

1.The Dark Knight Trilogy. "The Dark Knight" in particular. It is a solid comic book movie, but not nearly as good as most people make it out to be. I don't normally pay mind to IMDB ratings, but TDK being #7 out of every movie ever is just funny. Possibly the most overrated movie of all time.


2. Cats. I like cats, but they are boring. They do something funny like once a day at the most.

3. Starbucks. It's mainly girls, but people fork out so much money weekly at starbucks, it doesn't even make sense.

4. Cable TV. I rarely watch TV outside of Sports games. The only TV show I actually watch is Adventure Time, and I usually watch it on the internet.

5. Emma Stone

6. The Uncharted games. Also the Bioshock, Call of Duty, and Assassins Creed games, but not as much Uncharted.

I feel the same about those games, I like the storylines of Assassins Creed and Bioshock but I just can't get into the gameplay. I feel like I would like a Bioshock movie , animated or live action, but im never gonna try playing the games again.

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[Just2McFly]

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[Money 23]

oxygen
Totally agree.

[WillyJakk]

The Dark Knight for me definitely.

I get it, the Joker's insane but also makes a great point through his insanity BUT did they really need to play that dark damn music in literally EVERY SCENE he was in to convey that?

May seem like a small gripe but I'm into that and the soundtrack distracted the hell outta me after a while.

[NuggetsFan]

I smell a hipster. To call the acting bad in Breaking Bad is just false. Jessie\Walt might have the best chemistry on screen in TV. Play their characters perfectly. Gus was pretty awesome. Seen people complain about Skylar but really she's doing a great job of acting because she's got the bitch who you hate down to a tee. I'll give you Walt JR but even than I'm pretty sure the dude has a form of that disease in real life, obviously not as severe but plays a pretty believable handicap.

Honestly I'm not that big of a BB fan. Nowhere near as much as most people who want to claim it as the best TV series currently\one of the best all-time. Disagree with that. I can't see how you can deny the acting\writing tho. I get not liking it as much or not even liking the show at all, once you call it "terrible" screams trying to be different.

I like you don't like marvel movies, or even super hero movies in general beside the Dark Night. Just not my cup of tea and like somebody else just mentioned the rankings on IMDB blow my mind. I wouldn't call them terrible tho, because they're pretty well done movies filled with great actors. Hated Iron Man but Robert Downey nailed his character, just wasn't for me.

[EnoughSaid]

You're in season 3, that's the reason. Get to season 4, finish it, and then get back here and talk about how much you dislike it.

[Money 23]

I like you don't like marvel movies, or even super hero movies in general beside the Dark Night. Just not my cup of tea and like somebody else just mentioned the rankings on IMDB blow my mind. I wouldn't call them terrible tho, because they're pretty well done movies filled with great actors. Hated Iron Man but Robert Downey nailed his character, just wasn't for me.
Nolan's movies blow away ANYTHING in the superhero movie genre. TDK meets every bit of it's hype. Begins has flaws, TDKR has flaws. But both those films are still very, very good. TDK is instant classic level greatness.

It's probably the best blockbuster of the decade. It's entertaining, yet very intelligent.

Iron Man was great because of Robert Downey Jr and Jeff Bridges. That's it. The rest of the Marvel Studio films aren't movies, they are commercials for the next film.

On their own merits they are average at best. Iron Man was the only one done with integrity, with a true character arc and resolution. IM 2 was bad, Thor was meh, and CA wasn't good. I don't buy the hype.

And no, not a hipster. Just opinions. Breaking Bad is nothing special, at least as I'm watching it currently. Not a single character is likable on the entire show, for me. Including Walter White. It's ridiculously slow building, and like I said a TON of overacting (mainly the antagonists) and many plot contrivances that scream lazy TV show writing.

[KingBeasley08]

Personally, I'm a huge fan of both the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Breaking Bad so I disagree with your OP.

I do find all the old superhero movies (Original Batman, Superman) to be some ass. For the Superhero brand, I find DC as a whole to be overrated. Other than Batman and a few other properties, they are awful compared to Marvel IMO.

[Money 23]

Personally, I'm a huge fan of both the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Breaking Bad so I disagree with your OP.

I do find all the old superhero movies (Original Batman, Superman) to be some ass. For the Superhero brand, I find DC as a whole to be overrated. Other than Batman and a few other properties, they are awful compared to Marvel IMO.
Marvel has a ton of average characters and movies.

DC only has had success with two characters, but their films are easily superior.

[KingBeasley08]

Marvel has a ton of average characters and movies.

DC only has had success with two characters, but their films are easily superior.
only if you're counting animated films..

[Money 23]

:roll:

That was a joke right? We don't need to have this conversation, it's been discussed in the OTC more than enough in the past 2 years.


only if you're counting animated films..
No, I'm talking films.

TDK
TDK Rises
BEGINS
Watchmen
V for Vendetta

The only Marvel films that can compete are Iron Man, Blade and to some people (not me) Spider-Man 2, X2 and to youngins ... the uber-dumb Avengers.

DC also paved the way for the comic book movie genre. Even if you don't like the films, much like Marvel characters themselves, they owe everything to these two films:

B89
S:TM

And they have the superior animated films, like you said.

DC has had it's embarrassments: Superman III, Superman IV, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Superman Returns

Green Lantern (though no worse than Thor or CA: First Avenger)

Marvel has had even more: Howard the Duck, original Captain America, original Punisher, Thomas Jane Punisher, Punisher: War Zone, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Blade 3, HULK, X3 Last Stand, Wolverine Origins, and the redundant and stupid Iron Man 2 (IMO) Captain America: FA

They all suck. They have Iron Man, and Blade. The rest if they don't suck are cookie cutter and AVERAGE at BEST.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Meant to respond to you Money23, just can't find the thread. I'll post my top 10 here:

1/2) Begins
1/2) TDK
3) TDKR (had GOAT potential - could have gone down as one of the greatest flicks, and not just in the comic book genre; just too many plot holes)
4) Iron Man (favorite non batman comic film)
5) Spiderman 2 (just had the 'spiderman feel'; like you, I wish they casted someone else as Peter though; actually think James franco would have been better lol).
6) Blade (Amazing intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMVE6BXqto): one of if not my favorite vampire movie)
7) Batman '89 (favorite film as a child. now adays? re-watchability factor = dud; too campy and can never finish watching the thing. still a classic obviously).
8) X-Men: First Class (magnito was a boss)
9) Avengers (ok story line; special effects were unreal though)
10) The Amazing Spiderman (not really a favorite of mine, but better than the other mediocre comic films)

[DeuceWallaces]

OP might be a ******.

[Money 23]

Meant to respond to you Money23, just can't find the thread. I'll post my top 10 here:

1/2) Begins
1/2) TDK
3) TDKR (had GOAT potential - could have gone down as one of the greatest flicks, and not just in the comic book genre; just too many plot holes)
Can't believe TDK isn't easily at the top. BEGINS is very good don't get me wrong, TDK is just flat out better top to bottom. Destroys genre cliche and ceiling. I get the fanboy protection of BEGINS who were on the Nolan Batman wagon before or during the release of BEGINS, many hopped on after the release of TDK.

With TDK we're talking about arguably the greatest cinematic showdown between protagonist and antagonist of all-time. And it plays out organically. Not forced or contrived.

You know how you have the microwave emitter in BEGINS? And the neutron bomb in RISES? Or that lame ass portal device in Avengers? That's called a deus ex machina. It's something that pushes the plot and characters forward. A plot device. TDK has an organic plot device that pushes the story and the characters forward. And it happens to be a character as iconic and engaging as the title character.

The whole movie feels natural. I get your issues with RISES. It doesn't have as many plot holes as you think. They're addressed in dialogue. The film however does carry a TON of ground, because it is a ginormous EPIC. It could've been broken down into two films, but it paints with broad strokes. Flawed, but very epic none the less

2nd best comic villain too, IMO. A grounded, more bad ass version of Darth Vader.


Iron Man (favorite non batman comic film)
Agreed. A re-juvinated Robert Downey Jr, whose own trials and tribulations reflect that of the character. Making the film work on multiple levels. RDJ makes the character more interesting and witty, charismatic than he EVER was in the comics. Much like Wesley Sniped did w/ BLADE ... he re-invents a lame ass character and carried the entire movie on his acting chops.

It's a lazy, cliche, and corny written 3rd act away from being on par with any of the Nolan Bat films not named TDK. It makes nice social commentary on terrorism, America, and arms dealing. Most important, like Nolan's Batman and the first Blade. They take a fantastic character from the page and put him in the REAL functioning world.

Complete immersion. I was rooting for the character and his engrossing character change all through out the film. Stark is the focus of the film, and the building of the marketing product (Avengers) is an extreme back burner. It has a resolution (an innovative one at that) ... so it isn't the typical Marvel Studios drivel.




7) Batman '89 (favorite film as a child. now adays? re-watchability factor = dud; too campy and can never finish watching the thing. still a classic obviously).
Totally agree, down to the word. The atmosphere is brilliant, as is the set design. Keaton was boss, and proved EVERYONE wrong. Nicholson is fun. But there really isn't much happening in the movie, there is tons of boring pointless scenes, and like you said tongue in cheek / campy.


X-Men: First Class (magnito was a boss)
I enjoyed parts. But Kevin Bacon? I can't take seriously. Most of the cast beyond the actors who played Magneto and Xavier were soap opera type rejects. Plus, they used second and third string X-Men characters.

Could've been on the verge of greatness, much like the ASM had certain things been tweaked differently.


Avengers (ok story line; special effects were unreal though)
I can't get over how much this film sucked apart from RDJ and 3rd act Hulk stealing scenes.

The plot is mind numbingly stupid. 3rd act has no sense of urgency, or drama. Makes no sense. Chick from "How I Met Your Mother" makes Katie Holme's Rachel Dawes look like she is Maryl Streep caliber.

I mean, even though TDK Rises uses a dirty nuclear bomb plot ... it feels real. It echoes real life fears post 9/11. And Nolan executes the idea in anxiety / Stanley Kubrick level fashion. I mean I knew Batman and Gotham wasn't going to die going into the film. But while watching it, I felt the intensity. I felt the urgency, I felt Gotham and Batman were threatened at multiple points. Even the fantastical things felt utterly plausible and real.

In the Avengers, we get that stupid portal machine / invasion plot ... which I had already seen last summer with Transformers 3. The CGI aliens looked down right goofy. The alien invasion barely destroys any buildings, and kills no innocent civilians, yet the government wants to launch a nuke and destroy Manhattan?

Uhhh, ok.

At least in RISES we see a city getting tortured, people dying, friggin FBI agents getting hung from bridges. It was disturbing. I can't get over how overrated the Avengers was. How contrived the whole film felt.

[Derka]

I'm with you on Breaking Bad. Season One just went nowhere for me and I never bothered continuing on with it.

The Avengers flicks...I quite like, but I take them for what they are: comic books being made into movies. I don't go all critical on them...its just frickin' cartoon pictures done with real people. Take them in the spirit they're being made in and they're just a good time. People coming out going "OMG PLOT HOLZ" are missing the point entirely, but that's just my view.

[Money 23]

I'm with you on Breaking Bad. Season One just went nowhere for me and I never bothered continuing on with it.
I have, and it gradually gets more and more ridiculous.

Plot contrivances GALORE. Tons of conveniences, too many to seem plausible. And they get worse as the seasons progress, yo.

:rolleyes:


Avengers flicks...I quite like, but I take them for what they are: comic books being made into movies. I don't go all critical on them...its just frickin' cartoon pictures done with real people. Take them in the spirit they're being made in and they're just a good time. People coming out going "OMG PLOT HOLZ" are missing the point entirely, but that's just my view.
I don't think so. That's kind of a nose up at the material. And it's what held it back for so long on screen. They have the capability of being so much more than "cartoon pictures"

That's why they've had such longevity. They've proven to be reflections of real world society. Life imitates art, and art imitates life. These characters and stories should peel back layers to the times. You can take these characters, give great mass marketed entertainment for all ages, while also making intelligent psychological statements and dramas.

Avengers literally makes it a cartoon made to make fun of ... or have cheap fun. However you see it, I guess.

[miller-time]

I enjoyed the first 2 x-men movies. patrick stewart, ian mckellen, and hugh jackman all played their respective roles well. lets face it patrick stewart was born to play xavier.

[Money 23]

lets face it patrick stewart was born to play xavier.
Agreed.

Like Snipes for Blade, Downer Jr for Stark, Reeves for Superman, Bale for Batman, Hemsworth for Thor

I thought Topher Grace would've been perfect for Spider-Man

[Jackass18]

But also, list something else you consider to be massively overrated. Another one for me is all Marvel Studio movies not the original Iron Man, and especially the Avengers.

False, they're not overrated, though I can't really understand what you're trying to say.

[Money 23]

False, they're not overrated, though I can't really understand what you're trying to say.
Iron Man isn't, the rest of them suck.

[ihoopallday]

Sex is overrated.

[Jackass18]

No, I'm talking films.

TDK
TDK Rises
BEGINS
Watchmen
V for Vendetta

The only Marvel films that can compete are Iron Man, Blade and to some people (not me) Spider-Man 2, X2 and to youngins ... the uber-dumb Avengers.

DC also paved the way for the comic book movie genre. Even if you don't like the films, much like Marvel characters themselves, they owe everything to these two films:

B89
S:TM

And they have the superior animated films, like you said.

DC has had it's embarrassments: Superman III, Superman IV, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Superman Returns

Green Lantern (though no worse than Thor or CA: First Avenger)

Marvel has had even more: Howard the Duck, original Captain America, original Punisher, Thomas Jane Punisher, Punisher: War Zone, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Blade 3, HULK, X3 Last Stand, Wolverine Origins, and the redundant and stupid Iron Man 2 (IMO) Captain America: FA

They all suck. They have Iron Man, and Blade. The rest if they don't suck are cookie cutter and AVERAGE at BEST.

Iron Man 2 was good, Thor was rushed but still a good movie, and the Cap movie had plenty of heart. Superhero movies can still be good if they're not all dark and serious like the Batman movies. Marvel made their movies fun, but a bunch of them have been disappointing (Spiderman 3, the Fantastic Four movies, Ghost Rider films, Daredevil and such).

I was watching the original Superman the other day and that movie is cheesy as ****. How can you praise that but then shit on well done movies that are nowhere near as cheesy as that movie? You must be a DC fanboy or something.

[Jailblazers7]

I'd really like to see a well-done Hulk movie. Bruce Banner is such a great character and has the potential for a great movie.

[Money 23]

Iron Man 2 was good
No it wasn't. The character starts off as a regressed version of the improvement at the end of the first film. Which in itself makes no sense.

There is a redundant plot point of Stark's Arc Reactor poisoning him (the same thing the shrapnel nearing his heart does) ... thus contrived.

Stark has a ridiculous fight in an armored suit v.s. his friend. Who happens to be able to steal and use a suit without an prior experience (it took Stark a whole act to master it in the first film and he built the damn thing) ... how he uses the suit I have no idea. It was built for Tony, and can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in his chest.

In the first film we see that Stane could only make his suit work by stealing the arc reactor from Tony's chest.

Whiplash is under used, the love story is rushed, the whole thing is cheesy and tongue in cheek. We get a pointless Scarlett Johansen character, who brings nothing to the table apart from meaningless action scene and a connection tot he Avengers.

The film was rushed into production, and the studio pushed too hard for the Avengers agenda plot point. This is why the director, and even RDJ have gone on record having stated they felt like con men when promoting it, and thought it wasn't very good.

The film is sloppy. A mess of ideas with no coherent story, other than to promote the Avengers movie. It was a cash grab, residual sequel to an actual quality film.


Thor was rushed but still a good movie
Hardly, it was average at best. It can't even take itself seriously ... and it acknowledges this premise quite often in the film.

There is ridiculous melodrama in Asgard, and absurdity when they come to New Mexico. "The Rainbow Bridge" ... don't make me :oldlol:


the Cap movie had plenty of heart.
No. It had Stanely Tucci in the first act who delivers, and at times entertaining Tommy Lee Jones, then the film nose dives from there.

With it's ridiculous CGI on skinny bobble head Rogers, painfully obvious green screen, goofy looking Red Skull, wooden lead actor (and a protagonist who makes Clark Kent look like an interesting bad boy) ... it even features a horrendous 80's montage used to display the entire WWII combat in less than a few minutes.

How do you have CA fighting in WWII and not address Nazi's thoroughly? Hell, the comics even had the balls to do that when the character was created.

That ridiculous cheap video game level inspired train sequence. Losing his best friend, and forgotten about in less than a scene.


Superhero movies can still be good if they're not all dark and serious like the Batman movies.
I didn't say they had to be dark, mysterious, and bleak like noir inspired Batman movies.

They can be interesting, thought provoking, and not cookie cutter commercials for some other potential product.

Hell, the CA movie doesn't even have a resolution. It's just a lead in for the next movie. It's pathetic.



was watching the original Superman the other day and that movie is cheesy
It's cheesy in parts because film makers had yet to truly take these characters seriously as real drama pieces, where statements could be made.

The thrill of the first Superman, the first Batman, and the first Spider-Man was purely the fun of seeing these characters on screen. They were tongue in cheek, but didn't tap the true potential of the characters.

But S:TM delivered the epic, grand, formulaic origin for a superhero film. It had great performances from Reeve, Hackman, Stamp, and Brando. The script on page just didn't treat things seriously enough yet.

But it kick started the entire genre on screen. Show some respect. We will get the serious, modern, contemporary Superman movie we deserve next summer.



How can you praise that but then shit on well done movies that are nowhere near as cheesy as that movie? You must be a DC fanboy or something.
Nope, did you miss the parts where I praise Iron Man and Blade?

This is the point. Marvel Studios plays it safe. They give mass marketed, cookie cutter product that look to deliver on average to the average movie goer a good time. And for the most part, they do.

Like I said, average movies. They bat for average (even though technically they have more abominations than DC movies) ... DC swings for the fences with their artistic integrity.

That's why I respect their films, more. No lead ins for the next film that has already been planned on a planogram in a marketing studio's office. They put everything they have, with unique vision into each film.

And like I said, the greatest Marvel Studio film isn't as good as the worst of the Nolan trilogy. And DC has been more influential. They built the entire genre on screen, allowing for credible competition to even get off the ground. Then through Batman Begins, they laid the foundation for the more serious, in depth, realistic interpretations of these characters on screen.

You never heard of "re-boot" before Batman Begins.

[Jackass18]

No it wasn't. The character starts off as a regressed version of the improvement at the end of the first film. Which in itself makes no sense.

The movie isn't fresh in my mind so I can't argue every point. I don't quite remember the beginning, but Tony is obviously a flawed person, so why would it make no sense? At the end of the first movie he says: "I'm just not the hero type. Clearly. With this laundry list of character defects, all the mistakes I've made, largely public."


There is a redundant plot point of Stark's Arc Reactor poisoning him (the same thing the shrapnel nearing his heart does) ... thus contrived.

I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue here. Was he supposed to completely fix the problem in the first movie without fail?


Stark has a ridiculous fight in an armored suit v.s. his friend. Who happens to be able to steal and use a suit without an prior experience (it took Stark a whole act to master it in the first film and he built the damn thing) ... how he uses the suit I have no idea. It was built for Tony, and can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in his chest.

Are you sure of any of that? It's shown that they're good friends and that he has access.


Whiplash is under used, the love story is rushed, the whole thing is cheesy and tongue in cheek. We get a pointless Scarlett Johansen character, who brings nothing to the table apart from meaningless action scene and a connection tot he Avengers.

There was too much going on to give more focus to Whiplash. It's not like he was a major villain anyway. I thought he was used well for what he was. Pointless? She added a bit of comedy, and she was there to evaluate Tony.


The film is sloppy. A mess of ideas with no coherent story, other than to promote the Avengers movie. It was a cash grab, residual sequel to an actual quality film.

It seemed plenty coherent to me. I'm not trying to say it's on the same level as the first one, but it's still a good movie.


Hardly, it was average at best. It can't even take itself seriously ... and it acknowledges this premise quite often in the film.

There is ridiculous melodrama in Asgard, and absurdity when they come to New Mexico. "The Rainbow Bridge" ... don't make me :oldlol:

Um, OK. Kind of bland, general, broad, not really saying much critique there.


With it's ridiculous CGI on skinny bobble head Rogers, painfully obvious green screen, goofy looking Red Skull, wooden lead actor (and a protagonist who makes Clark Kent look like an interesting bad boy) ... it even features a horrendous 80's montage used to display the entire WWII combat in less than a few minutes.

I didn't have any problems with the special effects. Evans isn't the greatest actor, but he wasn't supposed to be a charismatic Tony Stark-type anyways. He's kind of bland like Superman depending on the situation.


Hell, the CA movie doesn't even have a resolution. It's just a lead in for the next movie. It's pathetic.

How is that pathetic? It obviously wasn't going to end here and they did a good job of introducing and building his character, which is kind of the point.


It's cheesy in parts because film makers had yet to truly take these characters seriously as real drama pieces, where statements could be made.

I was cringing watching that movie.


Nope, did you miss the parts where I praise Iron Man and Blade?

I certainly didn't miss the part where you were overly critical of Marvel movies while not only excusing but praising a hokey, cringe-inducing Superman movie with shit dialogue. Oh, you have problem how things look in the Marvel movies, but no problems with Superman? They should waited before trying a movie like Superman.


This is the point. Marvel Studios plays it safe. They give mass marketed, cookie cutter product that look to deliver on average to the average movie goer a good time. And for the most part, they do.

They're not playing it safe in all of them. When they try that, you get something like Daredevil, Ghost Rider or a Spiderman 3. You could tell the effort just wasn't there. CA can actually be seen as a fairly good war movie.


Like I said, average movies. They bat for average (even though technically they have more abominations than DC movies) ... DC swings for the fences with their artistic integrity.

A number of them aren't average, but you want to be so damn overly critical for whatever reasons. They're actually well done and planned out movies that for the most part accomplish what they set out to, but for whatever you can't sit back and enjoy them. Even the majority of critics liked them, but you want to compare them to a movie that critics and moviegoers all seem to hate in Green Lantern (I haven't seen it yet, but heard nothing but bad things about it)? Your comments just seem to have DC fanboy all over them.


That's why I respect their films, more. No lead ins for the next film that has already been planned on a planogram in a marketing studio's office. They put everything they have, with unique vision into each film.

Like it's a bad thing that Marvel has this giant plan for a big universe of movies that all fit together (well, not all, but a bunch)? To me, that's ****ing awesome. Wait, isn't DC trying something similar, as well?


You never heard of "re-boot" before Batman Begins.

And, now there's going to be a Batman reboot.

[chazzy]

Breaking Bad gets better and better as it continues. Season 4 was the best IMO, I would re-evaluate after you're completely caught up. The growing unlikeability of the protagonist is part of the evolution of the show.

[Droid101]

Breaking Bad gets better and better as it continues. Season 4 was the best IMO, I would re-evaluate after you're completely caught up. The growing unlikeability of the protagonist is part of the evolution of the show.
Season 4 is the best, and quite frankly, if they ended the show on that season's finale, it'd be the best television show finale of all time.

I doubt they can top it with season 5's finale, but I'm sure they'll try.

[guy]

I have, and it gradually gets more and more ridiculous.

Plot contrivances GALORE. Tons of conveniences, too many to seem plausible. And they get worse as the seasons progress, yo.

:rolleyes:


Can you give examples of any of these in the show? Cause everyone I know that has watched this show loves it, and I've never heard of any of the criticisms you've given. IMO the way they tie everything together is great and there's been nothing thats just ridiculous and borderline unrealistic unlike a show like Homeland for example (which is still a great show). To each his own, just curious.

[MichaelCheazley]

If try something and you start it with skepticism you are likely to focus more on the negatives. If you open mindedly tried watching the show then youd probable enjoy it.

[longhornfan1234]

Jesse is by far the best actor on the show. Skylar is awful. Can someone kill her? She might go down as the most annoying wife in a tv series of all-time.

[AboveTheRim.]

I'd really like to see a well-done Hulk movie. Bruce Banner is such a great character and has the potential for a great movie.

No love for the Edward Norton Hulk?

I'm not saying it was great, but it's the best cinematic representation of the Hulk that I've ever seen.

[Dolphin]

Money 23, do you admit that it's just your opinion that BB is not a good show and that the opinion of others who enjoy it are just as worthy...or do you think people who enjoy BB are stupid/not worthy of having an opinion?

Sorry for the randomness of the question. Curious.

[RidonKs]

he's not calling breaking bad fans morons, he's just saying it doesn't stand up to the more groundbreaking tv dramas of our era; the wire, sopranos, mad men definitely qualifies, game of thrones as well i'd say, maybe a couple others


the genius of breaking bad, the reason i keep tuning in anyway, is twofold; a) its fantastic take on the classic case of midlife crisis (insecure hs chemistry teacher --> hypermacho murderous druglord) and b) the realism of the problem solving in every other episode. you can really buy every idea that pops into walt's head as coming from an overqualified hs chemistry teacher, even shit like the train robbery seemed sorta kinda feasible

that along with the fact that its a super fast paced drama about two inexperienced partners completely in over their heads facing mortal danger every other episode keeps me on the edge of my seat


compared to those other shows though, it just doesn't have the same vision. it doesn't depict a universal human condition across a wide array of characters the way the wire or sopranos does, nor does it capture in vivid detail an epoch in time like mad men or got. boardwalk empire probably belongs in that category as well.

those shows excel because like breaking bad they offer the sort of personal journey breaking bad excels at with walt and jesse, allowing the audience to really root for or against characters in a relatable way... but at the same time they're constantly zooming out, broadening the scope to portray more complex human ecosystems and symbiotic relationships, human motives and values and culture. breaking bad has tidbits of that but its generally shallow, with fewer layers; institutional structures of hank's dea world, competition between meth traffickers, even the business of money laundering, distribution through that crazy brunette with the kid.... not very much meat on those bones by comparison. imo anyway


and all of that is more likely a product of a conceptual difference in what each drama is trying to achieve. bb is more akin to dexter than the wire in spite of the fact that they share a drug-centric theme. that's because it's telling a story about an individual rather than a more substantial commentary on some community, whether contemporary like the wire, historical like mad men, fantastical like got, etc

[Money 23]

Money 23, do you admit that it's just your opinion that BB is not a good show
Stating that would be utterly redundant.


and that the opinion of others who enjoy it are just as worthy...or do you think people who enjoy BB are stupid/not worthy of having an opinion?
I wouldn't have made the thread if I didn't want to hear my fellow ISH'ers opinions.

Read what Ridonks wrote. I'm not saying anyone is an idiot for liking the show, I'm explaining why I feel it doesn't meet the hype. No need for people to be so defensive. I understand people enjoy the show. Like I said, my FRIENDS begged me to get into it.

I will go more in depth as to why I have issues with the show, and why I feel people who elevate it to the ELITE tv show / character pieces / crime dramas status like: The Wire, The Sopranos, Deadwood are vastly OVERRATING the material at hand.

With that said, I'm not saying there isn't moments of the show that I enjoyed. But it really is few and far between. The writing relied on gimmicky hooks, character inconsistencies, contrivances, and overly convenient connections between characters as it relates to the plot.

For those saying season 4 is great, etc. So far, it's better. But it is NOT the mark of a GREAT show, where I have to wait over 3 seasons just for it to find it's niche and groove in order to become quality entertainment.

:biggums:

[RidonKs]

season 4 is great because it marks the end of walt's self-doubt... he finally makes his choice, stops straddling the family/business fence, cuts the double talk crap with skylar. it becomes much easier to appreciate the character even as you gradually start to hate his guts.



good call on deadwood, forgot about it but it def belongs right at the top of the list

[-p.tiddy-]

In and Out Burger

we got them here in Dallas, and they were supposed to be the greatest burgers ever...according to Cali peeps anyway


NOT



EVEN



CLOSE


we have some burger spots here in Dallas that would make you bust a nut Cali

[bigdaddyfunk]

Everything is up to personal taste. You can call it "overrated," somebody else will call it "underrated."

Stuff like this isn't up for debate - it is simply a matter of what people like. It's like debating rapper A and rapper B. Even if rapper B has no bars, some people will still like rapper B over rapper A and call rapper A overrated.

[bigdaddyfunk]

In and Out Burger

we got them here in Dallas, and they were supposed to be the greatest burgers ever...according to Cali peeps anyway


NOT



EVEN



CLOSE


we have some burger spots here in Dallas that would make you bust a nut Cali

Once again, personal taste lol. In-N-Out is good, but there are tons of better burger places in Cali. It's just the most wide spread fast food burger in Cali.

[rezznor]

i'm a huge marvel fan and i thought iron man 2 sucked

[-p.tiddy-]

Everything is up to personal taste. You can call it "overrated," somebody else will call it "underrated."

Stuff like this isn't up for debate - it is simply a matter of what people like. It's like debating rapper A and rapper B. Even if rapper B has no bars, some people will still like rapper B over rapper A and call rapper A overrated.
no, to be "overrated" you have to be rated high...you can't just throw that word at anything and everything

for example, it is impossible to call Vanilla Ice overrated as a rapper...because there is nobody that rates him high as rapper.

[Nick Young]

In and Out Burger

we got them here in Dallas, and they were supposed to be the greatest burgers ever...according to Cali peeps anyway


NOT



EVEN



CLOSE


we have some burger spots here in Dallas that would make you bust a nut Cali
u gotta order from the secret menu nicca

[Timmy D for MVP]

In and Out Burger

we got them here in Dallas, and they were supposed to be the greatest burgers ever...according to Cali peeps anyway


NOT



EVEN



CLOSE


we have some burger spots here in Dallas that would make you bust a nut Cali

I've been saying this for years on this very forum. The advantage that In and Out has is that it's still relatively cheap for some really good food. But from a pure taste stand point it's not the best chain, it doesn't even sniff the best chain.

To the OP's point, that's fine if you don't like BB, I don't either, but I can appreciate the acting in it. It is well acted.

But it's all personal opinion. I would argue that Marvel Studios has been the better studio by a mile compared to DC's studios.

I think that Batman is general has been overrated since he became the new Chuck Norris. I think Superman is the single most overrated character probably ever. I think Alan Moore is overrated. And we can argue about it, but it's personal opinion.

[Joshumitsu]

How I Met your Mother.

I don't mind watching it. I just think it's overrated as hell.

[Jackass18]

No it wasn't. The character starts off as a regressed version of the improvement at the end of the first film. Which in itself makes no sense.

Well, the movie was on yesterday, so I can better do this. I don't even know what you're getting at here. That's Tony Stark, I don't see how he really regressed. He's a flawed character, time did pass between movies, and he's, you know, dying. What doesn't make sense?


Stark has a ridiculous fight in an armored suit v.s. his friend. Who happens to be able to steal and use a suit without an prior experience (it took Stark a whole act to master it in the first film and he built the damn thing) ... how he uses the suit I have no idea. It was built for Tony, and can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in his chest.

They're best friends, he's someone he can trust, he's a high ranking member of the air force, and you can see that he has the passcode to access the room where the armors are, so why do you assume he's never used one of the suits? Besides, he just threw punches and wrestled around with Tony, so it's not like he would need a lot of experience to do that anyways. Why do you say the suits can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in Tony's chest? It's quite obvious that they were also built into the suits.


the love story is rushed

They worked together for a long time and had a close relationship. It's not like they just met and fell in love.


We get a pointless Scarlett Johansen character, who brings nothing to the table apart from meaningless action scene and a connection tot he Avengers.

She was evaluating Tony and keeping an eye on him. S.H.I.E.L.D. obviously had an interest in him.

[monkeypox]

A person can make themselves hate just about anything.

The only show that I ended up liking after wanting to hate is The Wire. Aside from that you can find flaws in just about anything and blow them up enough to hate a show.

[Dolphin]

Stating that would be utterly redundant.


Stating an opinion and actually believing one's opinion is just that, an opinion, are not one in the same. lol

I posted out of curiosity, not defensiveness...so I don't understand why your response to me became highly defensive in itself.

[sick_brah07]

honestly the most over rated thing ever has to be sex

you spend so much time waiting for it thinking omfg then you bang and bang bang and then the shit is like *** who gives a *** its just sex and you blow shit sometimes just having a wank with a grouse porno is the bomb

[chazzy]

honestly the most over rated thing ever has to be sex

you spend so much time waiting for it thinking omfg then you bang and bang bang and then the shit is like *** who gives a *** its just sex and you blow shit sometimes just having a wank with a grouse porno is the bomb
You jerked off too much. Try stopping completely for a couple months and then having sex.

[sick_brah07]

i was screwing around

but in all seriousness it can soley depend on the girl knowing how to **** you and you knowing how to **** the girl

just having sex can be shit, and during high school it is made out to be this godly feeling thing that cannot be topped... hence me saying sex can be over rated but not in all cases if that makes sense

[RoseCity07]

3 seasons in, hates the show, yet keeps watching. lolk.