PER Differential between Shaq/Kobe and Kobe/Gasol

[Derivative]

Playoffs PER:

2000:
Shaq: 30.5
Kobe: 19.3

2001:
Shaq: 28.7
Kobe: 25.0

2002:
Shaq: 28.3
Kobe: 20.5


2009:
Kobe: 26.8
Gasol: 21.9

2010:
Kobe: 24.7
Gasol: 24.0


The gap between Shaq and Kobe are way bigger than Kobe and Gasol, GTFO kobetards

[Deuce Bigalow]

Post their real stats please.

[Heavincent]

There's like 6 people on this planet that care about PER. I've never seen a respected or well known analyst refer to PER. Hell, most of them have probably never even heard of it, and rightfully so.

[StateOfMind12]

Since PER is unkind to Kobe, Kobe fans are unkind to PER.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Larry Bird's PER

1981 Playoffs
21.8

1986 Playoffs
23.9

Pau Gasol's PER

2009 Playoffs
21.9

2010 Playoffs
24.0

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.

[tpols]

Per!!!

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

PER is garbage but I think it's obvious that the gap between Shaq and Kobe was bigger than the gap between Kobe and Pau.

[StateOfMind12]

Larry Bird's PER

1981 Playoffs
21.8

1986 Playoffs
23.9

Pau Gasol's PER

2009 Playoffs
21.9

2010 Playoffs
24.0

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.
lol at comparing stats from completely different eras. Wilt must be the best scorer then considering how he averaged about 35-50 ppg and no one ever came close.

The OP addressed the PER differentiation between the #1 and #2 player on championship teams, not who was better because of PER..

[Umad101]

Larry Bird's PER

1981 Playoffs
21.8

1986 Playoffs
23.9

Pau Gasol's PER

2009 Playoffs
21.9

2010 Playoffs
24.0

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.
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[Deuce Bigalow]

lol at comparing stats from completely different eras. Wilt must be the best scorer then considering how he averaged about 35-50 ppg and no one ever came close.

The OP addressed the PER differentiation between the #1 and #2 player on championship teams, not who was better because of PER..
'80s is part of the modern era.

[StateOfMind12]

'80s is part of the modern era.
Different pace, different teams, different systems, etc. It's not the same at all but keep trying to justify it.

The fact of the matter is that Shaq was much more productive than Kobe was as #1 options and Kobe had more help than Shaq did as #1 options.

[Deuce Bigalow]

PER is garbage but I think it's obvious that the gap between Shaq and Kobe was bigger than the gap between Kobe and Pau.
No it wasn't. Kobe was the leading scorer in half the series in the last 2 years of the 3-peat, he was also leading the team in assists too. He was the leading scorer for the entire Western Conference playoffs series for those 2 runs. He was actually better than Shaq in the 01 WCF. Pau has never come close to leading the Lakers in scoring in any playoff series. Shaq and Kobe were both top 5 in MVP voting in 02 and both top 10 in 01. In 09, Kobe was 2nd in MVP voting and 3rd place in 10, while Pau never received a single MVP vote in those years, or in any season of his career.

[StateOfMind12]

No it wasn't. Kobe was the leading scorer in half the series in the last 2 years of the 3-peat, he was also leading the team in assists too. He was the leading scorer for the entire Western Conference playoffs series for those 2 runs. He was actually better than Shaq in the 01 WCF. Pau has never come close to leading the Lakers in scoring in any playoff series. Shaq and Kobe were both top 5 in MVP voting in 02 and both top 10 in 01. In 09, Kobe was 2nd in MVP voting and 3rd place in 10, while Pau never received a single MVP vote in those years, or in any season of his career.
Why am I not surprised that a Kobe fan just focuses solely on scoring and ignores every other aspect of the game?


:oldlol:

[daily]

Different pace, different teams, different systems, etc. It's not the same at all but keep trying to justify it.

The fact of the matter is that Shaq was much more productive than Kobe was as #1 options and Kobe had more help than Shaq did as #1 options.Oh gee, you've unearthed the secret to life. 7 foot tall men shooting the ball from within 2 feet of the basket are more efficient than shooting guards taking shots from all over the place. My oh my, you're like the Jimmy the Greek of ISH :bowdown: :bowdown:


Stupid ****

[Deuce Bigalow]

Different pace, different teams, different systems, etc. It's not the same at all but keep trying to justify it.

The fact of the matter is that Shaq was much more productive than Kobe was as #1 options and Kobe had more help than Shaq did as #1 options.
Shaq had Kobe, while Kobe had Pau. :oldlol: no

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Oh gee, you've unearthed the secret to life. 7 foot tall men shooting the ball from within 2 feet of the basket are more efficient than shooting guards taking shots from all over the place. My oh my, you're like the Jimmy the Greek of ISH :bowdown: :bowdown:


Stupid ****

Let me guess, you'd take guy A scoring 30ppg on 45% over guy B scoring 30ppg on 55% because it wouldn't be fair otherwise.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

No it wasn't. Kobe was the leading scorer in half the series in the last 2 years of the 3-peat, he was also leading the team in assists too. He was the leading scorer for the entire Western Conference playoffs series for those 2 runs. He was actually better than Shaq in the 01 WCF. Pau has never come close to leading the Lakers in scoring in any playoff series. Shaq and Kobe were both top 5 in MVP voting in 02 and both top 10 in 01. In 09, Kobe was 2nd in MVP voting and 3rd place in 10, while Pau never received a single MVP vote in those years, or in any season of his career.

That's such a myth that Kobe was better in any three peat series.

Kobe kids like you just refuse to comprehend in how many ways Shaq's mere presence impacted a game.

[RazorBaLade]

Different pace, different teams, different systems, etc. It's not the same at all but keep trying to justify it.

The fact of the matter is that Shaq was much more productive than Kobe was as #1 options and Kobe had more help than Shaq did as #1 options.

there were different teams and systems and pace from 00-3 to 09/10. even a couple rule changes

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why am I not surprised that a Kobe fan just focuses solely on scoring and ignores every other aspect of the game?


:oldlol:
Kobe led the Lakers in assists in every single championship run.

[Droid101]

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.
http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/16429/16429010eed78e78e426071350a1e0c9e5b7248b.gif

[StateOfMind12]

Shaq had Kobe, while Kobe had Pau. :oldlol: no
Kobe had more help than Shaq did, that isn't a debate. Shaq had Kobe, while Kobe had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum, which was the best and most dominant front-court in the league.

Kobe's teams have always been overwhelmingly more talented than every other team. Kobe has never won as an underdog as the clear cut #1 option.

[b0bab0i]

LOOL no one cares about PER

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe had more help than Shaq did, that isn't a debate. Shaq had Kobe, while Kobe had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum, which was the best and most dominant front-court in the league.

Kobe's teams have always been overwhelmingly more talented than every other team. Kobe has never won as an underdog as the clear cut #1 option.
And the 00-02 Lakers were not more talented than the rest of the league? Or were underdogs at some point. RG :oldlol:

[StateOfMind12]

And the 00-02 Lakers were not more talented than the rest of the league? Or were underdogs at some point. RG :oldlol:
The 00-02 were more talented because they had the best player in the league in Shaq. Shaq arguably has the GOAT peak and as soon as Shaq declined after 2002, they stopped winning titles. There is no coincidence there.

And no, the Lakers didn't win and were the favorites because Kobe was the best player in 2009 and 2010, because Lebron was clearly better than Kobe by then.

Kobe's teams were the favorites in 2009 and 2010 because his team had the most dominant front-court in the league, not because of Kobe himself because Kobe was never as dominant as peak Shaq was..

[STATUTORY]

lol at comparing stats from completely different eras. Wilt must be the best scorer then considering how he averaged about 35-50 ppg and no one ever came close.

The OP addressed the PER differentiation between the #1 and #2 player on championship teams, not who was better because of PER..

PER is "adjusted" for era

or do we just discredit that shit when it don't tell a favorable story

[Money 23]

LOOL no one cares about PER
Or rep

[TheBigVeto]

Playoffs PER:

2000:
Shaq: 30.5
Kobe: 19.3

2001:
Shaq: 28.7
Kobe: 25.0

2002:
Shaq: 28.3
Kobe: 20.5


2009:
Kobe: 26.8
Gasol: 21.9

2010:
Kobe: 24.7
Gasol: 24.0


The gap between Shaq and Kobe are way bigger than Kobe and Gasol, GTFO kobetards


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

PER is "adjusted" for era

or do we just discredit that shit when it don't tell a favorable story
Oh yeah it is. Lol such a joke. 09, 10 Pau > 81, 86 Bird in the playoffs.

[StateOfMind12]

Oh yeah it is. Lol such a joke. 09, 10 Pau > 81, 86 Bird in the playoffs.
No one said higher PER = better player. All they are saying is that the PER difference between Shaq and Kobe was larger than the difference between Kobe and Gasol.

Oh, and yeah, if I were you I would ignore my post too, kid.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No one said higher PER = better player. All they are saying is that the PER difference between Shaq and Kobe was larger than the difference between Kobe and Gasol.

Oh, and yeah, if I were you I would ignore my post too, kid.
But you're using it to determine the differences in the gap of who was better and by how much, which is measuring who is better in your opinion since you stated that Kobe had more help because of PER.

The fact is that according to what you're using to measure the amount of help, that formula has Pau being better than Larry Bird.

[StateOfMind12]

But you're using it to determine the differences in the gap of who was better and by how much, which is measuring who is better in your opinion since you stated that Kobe had more help because of PER.
Yes, Shaq was better than Kobe more so than Kobe was better than Pau. It is what it is especially when Pau outplayed Kobe in a few series in the 2010 post-season. Kobe never outplayed Shaq ever in any series.



The fact is that according to what you're using to measure the amount of help, that formula has Pau being better than Larry Bird.
Wrong, Bird was on a stacked 80 teams, every team in the 80s was stacked, so it shouldn't be a surprise that his PER wasn't that high. He wasn't asked to do as much, but it's pretty obvious he could which was why his 1984 PER was so great.

Kobe's teams were stacked in 2009 and 2010 and nobody was even close to the talent his team had. Kobe doesn't win because he is the best player, he wins because he has the best teammates.

[Heavincent]

Kobe had more help than Shaq did, that isn't a debate. Shaq had Kobe, while Kobe had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum, which was the best and most dominant front-court in the league.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

The 00-02 were more talented because they had the best player in the league in Shaq. Shaq arguably has the GOAT peak and as soon as Shaq declined after 2002, they stopped winning titles. There is no coincidence there.

And no, the Lakers didn't win and were the favorites because Kobe was the best player in 2009 and 2010, because Lebron was clearly better than Kobe by then.

Kobe's teams were the favorites in 2009 and 2010 because his team had the most dominant front-court in the league, not because of Kobe himself because Kobe was never as dominant as peak Shaq was..
So, Kobe was not the main reason why they won, but Shaq was. Got it. That is why Kobe repeated without Shaq...
Dominating Bynum with his 6/4 and 9/7 averages and Pau's 18/10 and 19/11 carried 30/5/6 and 29/6/6.

[madmax]

Since PER is unkind to Kobe, Kobe fans are unkind to PER.

:lol

[Heavincent]

So, Kobe was not the main reason why they won, but Shaq was. Got it. That is why Kobe repeated without Shaq...
Dominating Bynum with his 6/4 and 9/7 averages and Pau's 18/10 and 19/11 carried 30/5/6 and 29/6/6.

You're seriously arguing with a retard. Just ignore him.

[StateOfMind12]

Dominating Bynum with his 6/4 and 9/7 averages and Pau's 18/10 and 19/11 carried 30/5/6 and 29/6/6.
Bynum's great post-defense, intimidating defense in the paint, his rebounding, etc. were all reasons as to why the Lakers won titles in 2009 and 2010, yes.

LA won because their front-court was completely superior to everyone else and they dominated everybody in the glass with players like Odom, Gasol, and Bynum. Last I checked, Kobe is not a front-court player.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bynum's great post-defense, intimidating defense in the paint, his rebounding, etc. were all reasons as to why the Lakers won titles in 2009 and 2010, yes.

LA won because their front-court was completely superior to everyone else and they dominated everybody in the glass with players like Odom, Gasol, and Bynum. Last I checked, Kobe is not a front-court player.
Yes indeed, Bynum's furious and intimidating defense was why they won, not Kobe

:roll:

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Three negs within 2 minutes for the same post. Some Kobe child with multiple accounts is mad.

[StateOfMind12]

Three negs within 2 minutes for the same post. Some Kobe child with multiple accounts is mad.
:oldlol: Got the same thing.


Yes indeed, Bynum's furious and intimidating defense was why they won, not Kobe

:roll:
Sure, Bynum was apart of the dominating front-court that outrebounded and defended shots from the paint against opponents so well. They won because of their dominating front-court.

[daily]

Bynum's great post-defense, intimidating defense in the paint, his rebounding, etc. were all reasons as to why the Lakers won titles in 2009 and 2010, yes.


:lol Bynum averaged 20 minutes per game in the playoffs those two years

Just say I don't like Kobe and will make up silly things to discredit him even at the risk of making myself look like a complete moron.

Everything you type is fabricated or twisted beyond comprehension to fit your agenda.

You remind me of that Idiot Rocket Greatness that used to post here

[Heavincent]

You remind me of that Idiot Rocket Greatness that used to post here

Funny coincidence, huh? Can't be the same person or anything.

[StateOfMind12]

:lol Bynum averaged 20 minutes per game in the playoffs those two years
For those 20 minutes, he did a great job playing defense, altering shots in the paint, grabbing rebounds, boxing players out, etc.

Why is it so hard for Lakers/Kobe fans to give credit outside of Kobe? :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

:oldlol: Got the same thing.


Sure, Bynum was apart of the dominating front-court that outrebounded and defended shots from the paint against opponents so well. They won because of their dominating front-court.
How about those rebounds in the 10 WCF?
Kobe - 7.2
Pau - 7.2
Bynum - 5.7

Dominant.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Funny coincidence, huh? Can't be the same person or anything.
Lol

[StateOfMind12]

How about those rebounds in the 10 WCF?
Kobe - 7.2
Pau - 7.2
Bynum - 5.7

Dominant.
It's nice to know that Kobe stole all the rebounds that Pau, Bynum, and Odom worked hard and box out for. I love how you didn't mention Odom's RPG numbers either which was about 11-12 per game, LOL.

What else do you want to tell me?

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's nice to know that Kobe stole all the rebounds that Pau, Bynum, and Odom worked hard and box out for. I love how you didn't mention Odom's RPG numbers either which was about 11-12 per game, LOL.

What else do you want to tell me?Oh so Kobe steals rebounds now, and on your MiamiThrice account you say that Pau's rebounds are "real" while Kobe's are not :oldlol:

It is nice to know you're still butthurt about Kobe

[RazorBaLade]

why is stateofmind still posting in here he didnt know per adjusts for era and that was hius main argument

[StateOfMind12]

Oh so Kobe steals rebounds now, and on your MiamiThrice account you say that Pau's rebounds are "real" while Kobe's are not :oldlol:

It is nice to know you're still butthurt about Kobe
Most backcourt players steal rebounds from front-court players.

It isn't too common to see backcourt players box out unless they switch on a front-court player, but Kobe always guarded some shitty scrubs standing in the corner because he wanted to conserve his energy to jack up shots offensively. He always had the luxury to take a break defensively because of how great his team was.

It is what it is. Lakers won because of their dominant front-court of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Most backcourt players steal rebounds from front-court players.

It isn't too common to see backcourt players box out unless they switch on a front-court player, but Kobe always guarded some shitty scrubs standing in the corner because he wanted to conserve his energy to jack up shots offensively. He always had the luxury to take a break defensively because of how great his team was.

It is what it is. Lakers won because of their dominant front-court of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum.
Yep, the Dominance of those 3 front court players that never received a single MVP vote in their careers.

[StateOfMind12]

Yep, the Dominance of those 3 front court players that never received a single MVP vote in their careers.
Yep, the three players that were the main cause as to why the Lakers won two titles in 2009 and 2010.

[madmax]

Most backcourt players steal rebounds from front-court players.

It isn't too common to see backcourt players box out unless they switch on a front-court player, but Kobe always guarded some shitty scrubs standing in the corner because he wanted to conserve his energy to jack up shots offensively. He always had the luxury to take a break defensively because of how great his team was.

It is what it is. Lakers won because of their dominant front-court of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum.

:applause:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

2013 PER

Kobe 24.7
Howard 21.5
Jamison 15.4
Hill 15.1
Pau 15.0

PER says Pau should be benched... you savvy?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Yep, the Dominance of those 3 front court players that never received a single MVP vote in their careers.

In an era of weak front courts they combined to be the best front court in the league. It's not that hard to comprehend.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

In an era of weak front courts they combined to be the best front court in the league. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Except they faced better front courts in the Finals both years. :facepalm

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Three negs within 2 minutes for the same post. Some Kobe child with multiple accounts is mad.

More negs.

Yup, Kobe child is mad.

[Deuce Bigalow]

More negs.

Yup, Kobe child is mad.
Kobe fans are not the ones that are mad, you and RG are clearly butthurt over Kobe's success.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe fans are not the ones that are mad, you and RG are clearly butthurt over Kobe's success.

I'm in a state of serenity. There is no madness inside of me as much as you wish there to be.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yep, the three players that were the main cause as to why the Lakers won two titles in 2009 and 2010.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t23/nateman742/baldRetard.jpg

[Heavincent]

Kobe's '08, '09, and '10 team were really not that talented. I have been saying those Lakers teams have been overrated for a while now.

He didn't have all-star talent across the board either. Gasol was really their only all-star and he wasn't an all-star in '08 and Kobe still managed to lead the Lakers to the NBA Finals that season. Odom and Bynum weren't really all-stars at the time and his bench players weren't great but they were adequate.

Kobe doesn't really need that much talent but he does need talent but even MJ needed some sort of talent to play with in order to win.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6907465&postcount=152

:confusedshrug:

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

8 negs. :lol

Calm down child.

[StateOfMind12]

Kobe fans are not the ones that are mad, you and RG are clearly butthurt over Kobe's success.
A lot of people are butthurt by the fact that nobody has had the luxury Kobe has had the entire career. Kobe is the most lucky/fortunate superstar ever. I guarantee you couldn't even name me 2 all-time greats that were more fortunate than him.

[Heavincent]

A lot of people are butthurt by the fact that nobody has had the luxury Kobe has had the entire career. Kobe is the most lucky/fortunate superstar ever. I guarantee you couldn't even name me 2 all-time greats that were more fortunate than him.

You're singing a different tune here:


Kobe's '08, '09, and '10 team were really not that talented. I have been saying those Lakers teams have been overrated for a while now.

He didn't have all-star talent across the board either. Gasol was really their only all-star and he wasn't an all-star in '08 and Kobe still managed to lead the Lakers to the NBA Finals that season. Odom and Bynum weren't really all-stars at the time and his bench players weren't great but they were adequate.

Kobe doesn't really need that much talent but he does need talent but even MJ needed some sort of talent to play with in order to win.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6907465&postcount=152

Care to explain?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

How many accounts does this Kobe child have?

[StateOfMind12]

You're singing a different tune here:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6907465&postcount=152

Care to explain?
No change of tune. Kobe still needs a dominant front-court to win.

Where is the evidence that he doesn't? And where did I say otherwise then?

Early 2000s, he needed Shaq, the most dominant front-court player of this generation and one of the greatest bigs ever.

Late 2000s, he had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum which was by far the best front-court in the league and they won games and titles by dominating them in the glass.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No change of tune. Kobe still needs a dominant front-court to win.

Where is the evidence that he doesn't? And where did I say otherwise then?

Early 2000s, he needed Shaq, the most dominant front-court player of this generation and one of the greatest bigs ever.

Late 2000s, he had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum which was by far the best front-court in the league and they won games and titles by dominating them in the glass.
You have to at least have one dominant player on the front court to be considered "dominant". Who was that player? All three players have a combined 0 MVP votes.

[daily]

A lot of people are butthurt by the fact that nobody has had the luxury Kobe has had the entire career.
Who are these butt hurt people? Why would anyone be butthurt over that?
Are they mad at Magic Johnson too? Wilt? Larry Bird? Lebron, Jerry West maybe? any member of the 60's Boston Celtics? Curses you Kareem Abdul Jabbar!

[Heavincent]

No change of tune. Kobe still needs a dominant front-court to win.

Where is the evidence that he doesn't? And where did I say otherwise then?

Early 2000s, he needed Shaq, the most dominant front-court player of this generation and one of the greatest bigs ever.

Late 2000s, he had Gasol, Odom, and Bynum which was by far the best front-court in the league and they won games and titles by dominating them in the glass.

You went from saying his team wasn't "that talented" to completely exaggerating how talented they were. Typical flip flopping from you.

And oh my God, you're telling me that Kobe needed a decent team to win!? Wow, it's not like every superstar in the history of the NBA needed help to win titles.

[StateOfMind12]

You have to at least have one dominant player on the front court to be considered "dominant". Who was that player? All three players have a combined 0 MVP votes.
Pau Gasol was the dominant player, he was a borderline top 10 player in 2009, and a legit top 10 player in 2010. lol at disregarding the front-court. They were by far the most dominant front-court in the league with nobody coming close.

Feel free to name one front-court that outmatched LA or one front-court that was better.

lol at using MVP votes, you mean the same MVP voters that agree that Nash has as many MVPs as Kobe and Shaq combined? :oldlol:

[StateOfMind12]

You went from saying his team wasn't "that talented" to completely exaggerating how talented they were. Typical flip flopping from you.

And oh my God, you're telling me that Kobe needed a decent team to win!? Wow, it's not like every superstar in the history of the NBA needed help to win titles.
I said his team wasn't super stacked and they weren't. The bench was nothing special outside of Odom, who was part of the dominant front-court that was the cause that helped the Lakers win two titles in 2009 and 2010.

Kobe still needs the most dominant front-court to win, and by most dominant, I mean by far the most dominant with no team even close.

[KOBE143]

PER.. Bullshit stats..

They made that advanced stats to discredit Kobe's accomplishment and to belittle his amazing scoring stats.. Holinger is known as a Lakers Hater thats why he made this fk up stats to discredit Kobe.. Anyone who believe in PER is idiot..

[talamo]

I really admire stateofmind's trolling skills. dat niqqaz nice

[Deuce Bigalow]

I said his team wasn't super stacked and they weren't. The bench was nothing special outside of Odom, who was part of the dominant front-court that was the cause that helped the Lakers win two titles in 2009 and 2010.

Kobe still needs the most dominant front-court to win, and by most dominant, I mean by far the most dominant with no team even close.
Josh Smith and Al Horford say "hello".

I can name you a list of centers better than '08-'10 Bynum.

[StateOfMind12]

Josh Smith and Al Horford say "hello".

I can name you a list of centers better than '08-'10 Bynum.
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/857421.gif

LMAO at comparing those two to the dominant trio of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.

Hilarious how Kobe fans can't give credit where credit is due but I don't blame them. Kobe himself is the same way. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pau Gasol was the dominant player, he was a borderline top 10 player in 2009, and a legit top 10 player in 2010. lol at disregarding the front-court. They were by far the most dominant front-court in the league with nobody coming close.

Feel free to name one front-court that outmatched LA or one front-court that was better.

lol at using MVP votes, you mean the same MVP voters that agree that Nash has as many MVPs as Kobe and Shaq combined? :oldlol:
If he was so dominant, then how come he didn't get a single MVP vote in his peak, which was 09-10?

[StateOfMind12]

If he was so dominant, then how come he didn't get a single MVP vote in his peak, which was 09-10?
Using MVPs as an argument? You mean the same voters that had Nash won it as many times as Shaq and Kobe combined?





Next.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/857421.gif

LMAO at comparing those two to the dominant trio of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.

Hilarious how Kobe fans can't give credit where credit is due but I don't blame them. Kobe himself is the same way. :oldlol:
Andrew Bynum

09 Playoffs- 6/4
10 Playoffs- 9/7

The dude didn't play a single minute in the '08 Playoffs and the Lakers got to the Finals.

[StateOfMind12]

Andrew Bynum

09 Playoffs- 6/4
10 Playoffs- 9/7

The dude didn't play a single minute in the '08 Playoffs and the Lakers got to the Finals.
And then he comes back playing in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs, and they win it all. Further evidence that the front-court won it, rather than Kobe himself considering how Kobe was better as a player in 2008 than he was in 2009 and 2010 anyways.


Nice job arguing for me.


:oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Using MVPs as an argument? You mean the same voters that had Nash won it as many times as Shaq and Kobe combined?





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Not MVPs, MVP votes, how about a single MVP vote that some person puts on a ballot, just one :confusedshrug: How come he couldn't get one?

[StateOfMind12]

Not MVPs, MVP votes, how about a single MVP vote that some person puts on a ballot, just one :confusedshrug: How come he couldn't get one?
Again, are we talking the same voters that believed Nash deserved to win it two times and deserved to have more votes in more seasons than both Kobe and Shaq combined?


:oldlol:

Enough said, MVPs is a joke of an argument.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

11 negs now.

Still have my green bar though.

Is it you, Deuce Bigalow?

:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

11 negs now.

Still have my green bar though.

Is it you, Deuce Bigalow?

:lol
No. But you're getting negged for good reason though. Blame it on your irrational posts about Kobe, he's poisoned your brain.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

No. But you're getting negged for good reason though. Blame it on your irrational posts about Kobe, he's poisoned your brain.

Must be that pretending to be a Nets fan Kobe child Heavincent then.

[Droid101]

11 negs now.

Still have my green bar though.

Is it you, Deuce Bigalow?

:lol
The negs you get are because you're an idiot. Nothing to do with Kobe Bryant's on-court performance, good or bad.

PS:
http://oi54.tinypic.com/2ch6cl1.jpg

[Round Mound]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

:applause:

Its Abvious Shaq Provided The Most for Those Titles.

Kobe was Shaq`s Pippen (that bothers many Kobe fans but its the Cold Truth).

While Kobe & Gasol In Those Title Runs It Was Almost as If Both Where the 1A Providers.

[Round Mound]

Larry Bird's PER

1981 Playoffs
21.8

1986 Playoffs
23.9

Pau Gasol's PER

2009 Playoffs
21.9

2010 Playoffs
24.0

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.

Larry Bird...Played with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and DJ...So Their PER`s are Still Devided In Four. Same Goes for Magic with Kareem as the Best Player till 1985-86. Worthy, McAdoo, Scott, Cooper.

Bird Still Had the Highest PER on The Celtic Teams and He Lead the League in PER at that Time for a Season.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:applause:

Its Abvious Shaq Provided The Most for Those Titles.

Kobe was Shaq`s Pippen (that bothers many Kobe fans but its the Cold Truth).

While Kobe & Gasol In Those Title Runs It Was Almost as If Both Where the 1A Providers.
Yeah, Gasol was 1A..when Kobe averaged 30/5/6 and 29/6/6 compared to 18/11 and 20/11 for Pau. :facepalm
1A/1B looks more like Shaq and Kobe in 01, 30/15/3 for Shaq and 29/7/6 for Kobe.

[Round Mound]

Yeah, Gasol was 1A..when Kobe averaged 30/5/6 and 29/6/6 compared to 18/11 and 20/11 for Pau. :facepalm
1A/1B looks more like Shaq and Kobe in 01, 30/15/3 for Shaq and 29/7/6 for Kobe.

Kobe Shot More and Was Less Effective FG% Wise. Kobe Won Because the had The Best Frouncourt in the League. Lets Also Not Forget About Gasol in the Post Which Provided Nightmares as a Post Player and Assist Man. His Assists Per Game Where Over 3 APG for a CF is VERY GOOD. Lets Also Not Foreget About Bynum and Odom: One who was a Defensive Prescence and a Great Rebounder, The OTher The Best Sixman Of The Team and One of the Best All Around Players in the League. Team Was Stacked in the Frontline. Kobe Had a TWIN TOWER SYSTEM.

Higher PER = Best Player in the Game. Its Just Cold Facts Not What We Like or Wan`t.

Kobe Doesn`t Affect the Game Like a Frontcourt Superstars. That Unless You are a Missmatch Problem and a None Positional Superstar like PG-Pt-Forward Magic, SF-PF-SG Larry Bird, CF Hakeem, PF-SF Charles Barkley, Pt-Forward Scottie Pippen etc

Kobe Needs a Great Frontline to Win. Other Superstars had More Impact Per Game and Per Minute.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe Shot More and Was Less Effective FG% Wise. Kobe Won Because the had The Best Frouncourt in the League. Lets Also Not Forget About Gasol in the Post Which Provided Nightmares as a Post Player and Assist Man. His Assists Per Game Where Over 3 APG for a CF is VERY GOOD. Lets Also Not Foreget About Bynum and Odom: One who was a Defensive Prescence and a Great Rebounder, The OTher The Best Sixman Of The Team and One of the Best All Around Players in the League. Team Was Stacked in the Frontline. Kobe Had a TWIN TOWER SYSTEM.

Higher PER = Best Player in the Game. Its Just Cold Facts Not What We Like or Wan`t.

Kobe Doesn`t Affect the Game Like a Frontcourt Superstars. That Unless You are a Missmatch Problem and a None Positional Superstar like PG-Pt-Forward Magic, SF-PF-SG Larry Bird, CF Hakeem, PF-SF Charles Barkley, Pt-Forward Scottie Pippen etc

Kobe Needs a Great Frontline to Win. Other Superstars had More Impact Per Game and Per Minute.
30.2 ppg on 23.0 fga and 29.2 ppg on 22.2 fga is efficient.
It is above 1.31 points per shot for both playoff runs, Michael Jordan's pps in the playoffs is 1.33.

Kobe's TS% was 56.4 and 56.7, Michael Jordan's TS% in the Playoffs is 56.8.

2009 Playoffs - Kobe: 30/5/6 on 56%TS > Pau: 18/11/3 on 60%TS
2010 Playoffs - Kobe: 29/6/6 on 57%TS > Pau: 20/11/3 on 59%TS

Kobe was better by a wide margin, not even close.

[Droid101]

Larry Bird...Played with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and DJ...So Their PER`s are Still Devided In Four.
That is not how PER works you ****ing idiot.

[TinselTime12]

Kobe Shot More and Was Less Effective FG% Wise. Kobe Won Because the had The Best Frouncourt in the League. Lets Also Not Forget About Gasol in the Post Which Provided Nightmares as a Post Player and Assist Man. His Assists Per Game Where Over 3 APG for a CF is VERY GOOD. Lets Also Not Foreget About Bynum and Odom: One who was a Defensive Prescence and a Great Rebounder, The OTher The Best Sixman Of The Team and One of the Best All Around Players in the League. Team Was Stacked in the Frontline. Kobe Had a TWIN TOWER SYSTEM.

Higher PER = Best Player in the Game. Its Just Cold Facts Not What We Like or Wan`t.

Kobe Doesn`t Affect the Game Like a Frontcourt Superstars. That Unless You are a Missmatch Problem and a None Positional Superstar like PG-Pt-Forward Magic, SF-PF-SG Larry Bird, CF Hakeem, PF-SF Charles Barkley, Pt-Forward Scottie Pippen etc

Kobe Needs a Great Frontline to Win. Other Superstars had More Impact Per Game and Per Minute.
:applause: Gasol should have been the 2010 NBA Finals MVP.

[Nero Tulip]

Larry Bird's PER

1981 Playoffs
21.8

1986 Playoffs
23.9

Pau Gasol's PER

2009 Playoffs
21.9

2010 Playoffs
24.0

If you are going to use PER, then you must acknowledge that Gasol was better or at least as good as Larry ****ing Bird.

I don't agree with OP but that is a seriously stupid argument.

[Doranku]

How are you guys able to take someone (RG) who has posted in this thread on multiple accounts seriously and actually argue with him?

[Derivative]

kobe can't win without gasol hahha