Varejao averaging 15.1 ppg 15.3 rpg 3.3 apg 1.4 spg 54%

[PleezeBelieve]

Is he the best Center in the league this season?

[CavaliersFTW]

Anderson Chamberlain continues imposing his will on the league with 17 points 18 rebounds tonight :bowdown:

[Rake2204]

He and Andre Drummond had an offensive rebound showdown tonight. They both snagged 9 offensive caroms a piece.

[IGotACoolStory]

Almost as good was D-Wade. Oops, D-Wait.

[DMV2]

Yeah.

Who would have thought the Top 2 centers in the league are Varejao and Asik. :lol

[LoneyROY7]

Is he the best Center in the league this season?

Would the OP care to comment on Dion Waiters' performance thus far this season?

[noob cake]

Yeah.

Who would have thought the Top 2 centers in the league are Varejao and Asik. :lol

It is sad. A lot of high rebounding like Love, Jefferson, Lee do not play a lick of defense.

[Dbrog]

He and Andre Drummond had an offensive rebound showdown tonight. They both snagged 9 offensive caroms a piece.

GIVE THIS GUY SOME PLAYING TIME! He did this + 3 blks in only 19 mins. I can't understand why Maxiell gets the start. I know Drummond will have his time, but I wanna see it now :rant

[copper]

GIVE THIS GUY SOME PLAYING TIME! He did this + 3 blks in only 19 mins. I can't understand why Maxiell gets the start. I know Drummond will have his time, but I wanna see it now :rant
this is the scary part. this kid is scratching the surface and he is already imposing his will on opposing players in limited minutes. Once his coach gets a clue he will take the rebound lead in a hurry.

[konex]

He is playing the best on both ends so far

[b0bab0i]

He's a beast, great for my fantasy league.

[Segatti]

18 rebounds tonight... insane.

[DukeDelonte13]

Would the OP care to comment on Dion Waiters' performance thus far this season?


Dion shot may not be falling but i'm not really concerned. He is showing he can get to the hoop, pass, and play D. He has a very high work ethic and is coachable.



As for Andy its about time he finally starts getting some respect.

[Rake2204]

GIVE THIS GUY SOME PLAYING TIME! He did this + 3 blks in only 19 mins. I can't understand why Maxiell gets the start. I know Drummond will have his time, but I wanna see it now :rant


this is the scary part. this kid is scratching the surface and he is already imposing his will on opposing players in limited minutes. Once his coach gets a clue he will take the rebound lead in a hurry.I think Lawrence Frank would love to play Andre Drummond more than he does now. It's just the bigger issue seems to be Drummond's stamina. He was absolutely done for mid way through the fourth quarter tonight, didn't even get down the court for an offensive possession then couldn't bring himself to move on a stoppable defensive play at the other end, leading to a Detroit timeout and his removal from the game. He was one step away from putting his hands on his knees mid-play. I think that good though, because it means he's pushing himself to the limit, which means he's only going to get into better shape as we move forward.

I think Lawrence Frank and company really like what they see, but they understand he's still very young and still trying to tackle everything that comes with being an NBA basketball player. In the meantime, I don't mind having a guy being able to step in when Drummond's completely worn down who can score 12 points, grab 6 boards and block 5 shots like Jason Maxiell did tonight.

[Spaulding]

He's really stepping up. They need kyrie back so he can get more chemistry with this guy


:applause:

[KOBE143]

Pau for Varejao.. :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Pau for Varejao.. :confusedshrug:
So... The best center in the league for a washed up Pau Gasoft on damaged knees? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii562/KGboss1/pau-gasolaurios.gif

no thanks you keep him, I hear he keeps the bench nice and warm these days

[28renyoy]

Let's just go ahead and get it out of the way

Toronto 1st, Mavs 1st, Lamb, Jones III, and Perkins for Varejao+Gibson

[Darius]

this guy is a boss I love his game

[G-train]

As for Andy its about time he finally starts getting some respect.

He always got the respect he deserves. He has never played like this before. When he played like a dud, he got canned. When he played like decent role player, he was regarded as such. When he played like a 15/15 big man, he is getting praise.
:confusedshrug:

[DuMa]

so people forgot he used to be the biggest flopper in the league? now flopping is enforced, he got his ass in gear and now is playing some damn ball.

[KOBE143]

So... The best center in the league for a washed up Pau Gasoft on damaged knees? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

no thanks you keep him, I hear he keeps the bench nice and warm these days
Ok, I add Blake.. Still not enough? :D

[G-train]

So... The best center in the league for a washed up Pau Gasoft on damaged knees? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



no thanks you keep him, I hear he keeps the bench nice and warm these days

Gasol carries more value than Andy still. Gap is closing though. Andy has been much more prone than Gasol, and has no where near the talent.

[BlueandGold]

Anderson Chamberlain continues imposing his will on the league with 17 points 18 rebounds tonight :bowdown:
So if i'm hearing you right your comparing Anderson Varejao to Chamberlain?

Got it

[CavaliersFTW]

So if i'm hearing you right your comparing Anderson Varejao to Chamberlain?

Got it
So can a fan get caught up in excitement about a great player on his own team or is that a crime these days? :lol Your taking me too literal, obviously he's no Wilt but still obvious is that he is beasting particularly on the boards. He's been putting up the type of numbers your boy Dwight should be putting up right now, no? :D

[RedBlackAttack]

He always got the respect he deserves. He has never played like this before. When he played like a dud, he got canned. When he played like decent role player, he was regarded as such. When he played like a 15/15 big man, he is getting praise.
:confusedshrug:
For the record, when was he playing like a dud?

Also, he was playing at a borderline All-Star level last year prior to his injury. He led the league in offensive rebounds and was in the top 3 in rebounds overall when he got hurt, and his production was gaining momentum when his season ended...

In the month leading up to his injury, he was averaging 13 points and 12 rebounds a night. He registered a 20/20 game, too, and several 15/15 type nights.

For the record, I always considered him an extraordinary role player, even when his minutes were being shared between he, Hickson, Shaq, Jamison, etc.

His numbers began to expand at exactly the point when he was asked to do more by the coaching staff. Finally, the leash has been completely taken off and he has total freedom. You're seeing the results.

[Hoopz2332]

I like Andy but this is another case of inflated stats on a bad team

[CavaliersFTW]

I like Andy
This is how every hater starts out their insults for the players/teams that they do not like


but this is another case of inflated stats on a bad team
Rebounds are a stat that is up for grabs for both teams on the floor not just the "bad one"...

[RedBlackAttack]

I like Andy but this is another case of inflated stats on a bad team
That is just completely absurd.

How do you inflate your rebounding statistics? Scoring is one thing when a guy is given the opportunity to throw up a ton of shots because his team isn't very good, but rebounds?

How do you inflate your way to the highest offensive rebounding average since Dennis Rodman in 1996-97 (at least to this point)?

There are a lot of bad teams in the league. There are some other really good rebounders on bad teams, in fact. No one else is coming close to the numbers he is putting up.

[G-train]

For the record, when was he playing like a dud?

Also, he was playing at a borderline All-Star level last year prior to his injury. He led the league in offensive rebounds and was in the top 3 in rebounds overall when he got hurt, and his production was gaining momentum when his season ended...

In the month leading up to his injury, he was averaging 13 points and 12 rebounds a night. He registered a 20/20 game, too, and several 15/15 type nights.

For the record, I always considered him an extraordinary role player, even when his minutes were being shared between he, Hickson, Shaq, Jamison, etc.

His numbers began to expand at exactly the point when he was asked to do more by the coaching staff. Finally, the leash has been completely taken off and he has total freedom. You're seeing the results.

For the record, he used to have games in his first few seasons when he played like a dud, completed poor turnovers, took weird shots, displayed poor IQ - and was called out for it, but still praised for effort.
Last year he had a good start, was being praised for it, then got injured.
He was NOT playing THIS good last season, but he was playing good. I know, I watched him quite a bit on LP.
For the record, my comment stands, he is a player that is generally judged correctly. I didn't hate on him as a player. I simply expressed my opinion that I have always found him to be generally judged correctly. He has got alot of props for his elevated play this year, and has got the required props in the past.
You are one of the most sensitive posters on the site.

[RedBlackAttack]

For the record, he used to have games in his first few seasons when he played like a dud, completed poor turnovers, took weird shots, displayed poor IQ - and was called out for it, but still praised for effort.
For the record, I doubt there is a player in the league who hasn't had games where he played poorly. Usually, when I hear someone refer to a player as a "dud" in the manner you mentioned it, that word refers to a noteworthy phase in a player's career, not a few games.

For the record, of all the players who have donned a Cavaliers uniform, maybe the last guy I would describe as "dud-like" would be Anderson Varejao, simply because he has been almost uniquely reliable over the course of his career, be it his early years when he was a contributor to his middle years when he was a valuable role player to his current place as probable All-Star... One of those guys who you always knew what to expect and he very, very rarely didn't fulfill that promise.


Last year he had a good start, was being praised for it, then got injured.
He was NOT playing THIS good last season, but he was playing good. I know, I watched him quite a bit on LP.

For the record, I'm just putting things into a bit of perspective, not necessarily for you, but for others who seem completely shocked by his production this season. It didn't come out of nowhere and this is something that has been growing out of him dating back a couple of seasons, but particularly his last month and a half last year prior to the injury.

No, his numbers weren't quite as awe-inspiring as they are now, but for the record, he was putting up incredibly good numbers on a team that people expected to be in the cellar, but spent the entirety of his healthy portion of the season in position for a playoff spot... Which made his dominance last year almost as impressive.


For the record, my comment stands, he is a player that is generally judged correctly. I didn't hate on him as a player. I simply expressed my opinion that I have always found him to be generally judged correctly. He has got alot of props for his elevated play this year, and has got the required props in the past.
You are one of the most sensitive posters on the site.

For the record, how the hell was my post anything remotely approaching sensitive? I felt like discussing Varejao, saw the thread, saw your post, and thought I would respond. There is nothing vitriolic in the post you quoted. Just a couple of clarifications in an attempt to spark conversation, which is the entire purpose of this board.

The record for, I think you are being the sensitive one here, not me. If everyone agreed with every detail of every post, this would be a pretty boring place.

[jaydacris]

For the record, I have Varejao on one of my fantasy basketball teams, and I am very happy about it.

[RedBlackAttack]

For the record, I have Varejao on one of my fantasy basketball teams, and I am very happy about it.
For the record, that was a very good pick. You did your homework. Now just cross your fingers that he can stay reasonably healthy for the majority of the season.

[RedBlackAttack]

A couple of "for the records" on Varejao's amazing season so far...


*Last week, his per game averages were 18.8 points, 18.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.3 steals on 63.3% from the field and 85.5% from the line. This came at a time when a lot of people were expecting his astronomical numbers to start coming back down to earth. He has only raised the bar and this week, he is starting things with a 17 point, 18 rebound, 2 assists, 3 steal, 1 block performance.


*Varejao now has nine straight double-doubles and, far more impressively, in those nine straight double-doubles, he has 15 or more rebounds in every one.


*So far this season, the Cavs have played 17 games. Varejao has recorded 15 or more rebounds in 13 of those 17 games. He's had 17 or more rebounds in 10 of those 17 games.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Rockets should trade Marcus Morris, patrick Patterson, and Tony Douglas for this guy and CJ Miles since the headlines read that Varejao can potentially be moved. Both Morris and Patterson are better players than that bum Tristian Thompson anyway. Hell, Samardo Samuels is better than Thristian.

[LBJFTW]

Andy watched some Rodman footage in the offseason. Who would have thought that watching the greatest rebounder ever would help you with rebounding! What an amazing discovery!

All kidding aside, it's about damn time this guy started playing. He should have been doing this shit back in the LBJ days.

[SilkkTheShocker]

so people forgot he used to be the biggest flopper in the league? now flopping is enforced, he got his ass in gear and now is playing some damn ball.

He hasn't flopped like that in years. Get with the program, buddy. This is 2012, not 2007.

[It's A VC3!!!]

His play has been amazing, but as a person who rarely watches him, can he even score on his own or create his own shot? Against the Nets, Irving gave him like 70% of his points via free baskets, jump shots, and free throws. Is that normal routine for him every game? Even though Irving is out I was wondering if he was scoring on his own. I would like him on the Nets. We need a guy like that. Hump has been very good. But Varejao is on another level.

[FatComputerNerd]

Varejao for MVP!

[swi7ch]

MIA needs to get him for Wade

[ripthekik]

and they say Lebron didn't have any help :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[SilkkTheShocker]

MIA needs to get him for Wade


You're a awful poster

[Teanett]

best center?
tyson chandler comes to mind.

[cavsfanatic]

For the record, he used to have games in his first few seasons when he played like a dud, completed poor turnovers, took weird shots, displayed poor IQ - and was called out for it, but still praised for effort.
Last year he had a good start, was being praised for it, then got injured.
He was NOT playing THIS good last season, but he was playing good. I know, I watched him quite a bit on LP.
For the record, my comment stands, he is a player that is generally judged correctly. I didn't hate on him as a player. I simply expressed my opinion that I have always found him to be generally judged correctly. He has got alot of props for his elevated play this year, and has got the required props in the past.
You are one of the most sensitive posters on the site.

um no actually Andy was never a dud. He was always great hustle and rebounded well off the bench. he never had bad turnovers because he never was in the position to. He'd play pick and roll with Lebron perfectly. He did take bad shots because he couldn't shoot. He never had a bad IQ either...

He came in as Boozers replacement after he screwed us and Cavs fans have loved him since. The only time I criticized him was game 3 against The Spurs for taking that dumb ass shot smh. You're way off base though saying he was a dud

[cavsfanatic]

His play has been amazing, but as a person who rarely watches him, can he even score on his own or create his own shot? Against the Nets, Irving gave him like 70% of his points via free baskets, jump shots, and free throws. Is that normal routine for him every game? Even though Irving is out I was wondering if he was scoring on his own. I would like him on the Nets. We need a guy like that. Hump has been very good. But Varejao is on another level.
naw he's a Center lol. C's don't create their own shot. He has a respectable jumper now though

[DukeDelonte13]

For the record, he used to have games in his first few seasons when he played like a dud, completed poor turnovers, took weird shots, displayed poor IQ - and was called out for it, but still praised for effort.
Last year he had a good start, was being praised for it, then got injured.
He was NOT playing THIS good last season, but he was playing good. I know, I watched him quite a bit on LP.
For the record, my comment stands, he is a player that is generally judged correctly. I didn't hate on him as a player. I simply expressed my opinion that I have always found him to be generally judged correctly. He has got alot of props for his elevated play this year, and has got the required props in the past.
You are one of the most sensitive posters on the site.


i gotta disagree with you. Andy almost never shot the ball or made bad bball IQ decisions. He only shot the ball if a play completely broke down and he was left holding the ball with the shot clock about to expire. This is the first season where has has been encouraged to shoot the ball. He never played like a dud. He brought it every single game while Lebron was here too. I remeber saying Andy was the second best player on the squad and getting hell for it on these boards. As RBA said, these last two seasons are the result of Andy getting regular heavy minutes. The low bball iq comment is just ridiculous.

[rmt]

Is he the best Center in the league this season?

Are you counting Duncan as a Center?

AV 15.2 pt / 15.4 reb / 3.2 asst / 1.5 stl / 0.4 blk 52.2%FG 77.8%FT 36.6 min
TD 18.9 pt / 10.1 reb / 2.6 asst / 0.9 stl / 2.4 blk 53.7%FG 77.5%FT 31.3 min

[FireDavidKahn]

No, Marc Gasol is the best center in the league. His defensive impact right now is rivaling Dwight's best season so far. Gasol is unreal.

[chips93]

For the record when your team is shooting 41% from the field a lot of offensive rebounds will be grabbed.

Varejao has been great though definitely top 5 center in the league, when everyone is healthy it should look like this:


for the record, andy is tied for first in the league in offensive rebound rate

so hes ties for first, in grabbing the highest percentage of available offensive rebounds

(drummond is tied with andy for first!? very impressive for a rookie)

[It's A VC3!!!]

naw he's a Center lol. C's don't create their own shot. He has a respectable jumper now though

Brook Lopez does. He drives to the basket, posts, and shoots. Occasionally he gets easy baskets as well.:cheers:

[Whoah10115]

No, Marc Gasol is the best center in the league. His defensive impact right now is rivaling Dwight's best season so far. Gasol is unreal.



I don't know about the second sentence. In fact, no way.


However, he is the best center in the league. Funny, because he doesn't play a true anchor role. He's just so smart and, despite being such a big boy, is versatile. That IQ is higher than anybody's, bar Jason Kidd...maybe Steve Nash.



Anyway, Varejao continues to be great. The Celtics, the Thunder, the Heat...all ya'll should be payin attention...maybe my Knicks, too.


I know he prefers to play PF. He isn't a good shot-blocker, but would he really do as well at the PF position? What do Cav fans think about that?

[rmt]

Not saying that stats are everything but:

AV 15.2 pt / 15.4 reb / 3.2 asst / 1.5 stl / 0.4 blk 52.2%FG 77.8%FT / 1.8 TO / 2.5 PF / 36.6 min
TD 18.9 pt / 10.1 reb / 2.6 asst / 0.9 stl / 2.4 blk 53.7%FG 77.5%FT / 1.5 TO / 1.9 PF / 31.3 min
DH 18.7 pt / 11.3 reb / 1.7 asst / 1.2 stl / 2.6 blk / 59.9%FG / 46.5%FT / 3.1 TO / 3.7 PF / 36.2 min
MG 15.9 pts / 7.1 reb / 4.4 asst / 0.7 stl / 1.4 blk / 50.3%FG / 89.7%FT / 1.5 TO / 3.3 PF / 36.5 min


naw he's a Center lol. C's don't create their own shot. He has a respectable jumper now though

It's a sad testament to the league's centers that people think that centers don't create their own shot.

[PleezeBelieve]

Cavs and OKC need to do this

[Whoah10115]

Cavs and OKC need to do this



Don't know if I completely agree with you, but for some reason I woke up this morning and I actually thought about Varejao...well, I think I saw him on TV.


The Cavs' expectations should be the playoffs next year. If that happens, then Varejao is fine. But, despite what some Cavs fans think, I don't necessarily believe it's gonna be that way. Waiters has talent and can take a jump next year. You have quality players on the team. But you need a big talent. Whether it's that Nerlens guy in Kentucky or a free agent, or a trade that nets you someone like Derrick Favors. You need a legit guy. You have pieces all over.


But if the Cavs are not a lock for next year's playoffs (in the team's mind) then move him...that OKC package is obviously great, but it's also ridiculous to think OKC will give all that up. Maybe if they get rid of Perkins, they do it. But that package is too close to the package they received for James Harden. Harden for Vajerao was never gonna happen.

[GOBB]

For the record last season people were all over Twolves Center Pek. This seasons it's Andy V. Next season it will be...Kwame Brown? :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

For the record last season people were all over Twolves Center Pek. This seasons it's Andy V. Next season it will be...Kwame Brown? :lol
How has Bynum been in Philly? Better than Andy? GAWD the Cavs were soooo stuuuuupid for not trading Andy away for Bynum when they had the chance. Am I right? :oldlol:

[Nash]

Mike Miller + Cole for Andy V.. Yes or no? Shooter and scoring PG behind Irving.

Heat needs them rebounds.

[lilgodfather1]

Mike Miller + Cole for Andy V.. Yes or no? Shooter and scoring PG behind Irving.

Heat needs them rebounds.
Lol

[GOBB]

How has Bynum been in Philly? Better than Andy? GAWD the Cavs were soooo stuuuuupid for not trading Andy away for Bynum when they had the chance. Am I right? :oldlol:

Yes they were. :confusedshrug:

[chips93]

Mike Miller + Cole for Andy V.. Yes or no? Shooter and scoring PG behind Irving.

Heat needs them rebounds.

throw in a second rounder and you have a deal

[DukeDelonte13]

Yes they were. :confusedshrug:


it's situational. Philly was in a different situation than cleveland. Cleveland was not about to risk its rebuild on Andrew Bynum. They would have had to gut the roster to get him, and he may not even decide to resign. Add that to the injury risks and you see exactly why it was the right move for Cleveland not to pursue Andrew Bynum.

[NattyPButter]

throw in a second rounder and you have a deal


and that's a good thing you're not the GM. That doesn't help the Cavs one bit for the future.

[FatComputerNerd]

Anyway, Varejao continues to be great. The Celtics, the Thunder, the Heat...all ya'll should be payin attention...maybe my Knicks, too.


I know he prefers to play PF. He isn't a good shot-blocker, but would he really do as well at the PF position? What do Cav fans think about that?

Yes, assuming Zeller pans out as a legit starting 5. Andy is already playing a lot of min. at PF when Zeller and him are on the floor together.

Andy is not and has never been a true center. He is a 4/5 and which position he guards depends on who is on the floor with him, and the opposing team's lineup.

[Whoah10115]

throw in a second rounder and you have a deal



I don't see how you could make this trade. Miller has two years on his deal, after this one. You can't amnesty him. Are you gonna try and buy him out? Is Norris Cole that high on potential? And where would you play him? Just to have an Ohio guy home? I don't understand.



Yes, assuming Zeller pans out as a legit starting 5. Andy is already playing a lot of min. at PF when Zeller and him are on the floor together.

Andy is not and has never been a true center. He is a 4/5 and which position he guards depends on who is on the floor with him, and the opposing team's lineup.


Sounds right. One way or another, you need someone with shot-blocking ability next to Varejao. I think he'd be great next to KG in Boston.

[FatComputerNerd]

He's not going anywhere :banana:

[Doranku]

Just another one of LeBron's former teammates playing (by far) his best basketball following LeBron's departure. :sleeping

[upside24]

GIVE THIS GUY SOME PLAYING TIME! He did this + 3 blks in only 19 mins. I can't understand why Maxiell gets the start. I know Drummond will have his time, but I wanna see it now :rant
I agree.

I want to see what this beast can do with some minutes.

[All Net]

15 boards is damn impressive, prime rodman numbers.

[RedBlackAttack]

and that's a good thing you're not the GM. That doesn't help the Cavs one bit for the future.


I don't see how you could make this trade. Miller has two years on his deal, after this one. You can't amnesty him. Are you gonna try and buy him out? Is Norris Cole that high on potential? And where would you play him? Just to have an Ohio guy home? I don't understand.

I'm not always the best at spotting sarcasm on the Internet, but I believe that was a clear example, guys.

[PyrrhusX]

I really wish Presti would pull the trigger and go for him. Varejao covers what we need so badly and would be awesome together with Ibaka imo. But we are winning games, some handily, so I dont even see OKC going for him at this point, which sucks. If we dont make any moves for the season I hope Perk gets the amnesty.

[Whoah10115]

I'm not always the best at spotting sarcasm on the Internet, but I believe that was a clear example, guys.




:(

[IGotACoolStory]

15 boards is damn impressive, prime rodman numbers.

More like nearly retired Rodman numbers. Prime Rodman is like 17-19 rpg.

[cavsfanatic]

Not saying that stats are everything but:

AV 15.2 pt / 15.4 reb / 3.2 asst / 1.5 stl / 0.4 blk 52.2%FG 77.8%FT / 1.8 TO / 2.5 PF / 36.6 min
TD 18.9 pt / 10.1 reb / 2.6 asst / 0.9 stl / 2.4 blk 53.7%FG 77.5%FT / 1.5 TO / 1.9 PF / 31.3 min
DH 18.7 pt / 11.3 reb / 1.7 asst / 1.2 stl / 2.6 blk / 59.9%FG / 46.5%FT / 3.1 TO / 3.7 PF / 36.2 min
MG 15.9 pts / 7.1 reb / 4.4 asst / 0.7 stl / 1.4 blk / 50.3%FG / 89.7%FT / 1.5 TO / 3.3 PF / 36.5 min



It's a sad testament to the league's centers that people think that centers don't create their own shot. when I think of creating shot I think of taking the ball and dribbling around using screens or running off screens. Centers should post up

[cavsfanatic]

Yes they were. :confusedshrug:
lmao you like Skip Bayless. Never admit to being wrong :rockon: