The Knicks style of basketball is not going to work in the playoffs

[sportsfan76]

I can't believe the coach just stands there and lets his players launch up 200 3=pointers a night instead of playing a more organized type of game. How long can this team continuing winning by shooting so many 3's? Eventually the shit is going to stop falling and they will be forced to score points in other ways. That silly sh*t they are doing now is more suited for the street league and will not help them win in the playoffs.

As a coach, if he sees his team had a big lead from shooting 3's that's the time to let them to slow the game down and get better shots. Not continue to come down and launch even more three's when they can start missing and allow the other team to get back in the game.


The Knicks need to change their style of play

[Rekindled]

2011 mavs and 2012 heat say sup

[LoneyROY7]

I can't believe the coach just stands there and lets his players launch up 200 3=pointers a night instead of playing a more organized type of game. How long can this team continuing winning by shooting so many 3's? Eventually the shit is going to stop falling and they will be forced to score points in other ways. That silly sh*t they are doing now is more suited for the street league and will not help them win in the playoffs.

As a coach, if he sees his team had a big lead from shooting 3's that's the time to let them to slow the game down and get better shots. Not continue to come down and launch even more three's when they can start missing and allow the other team to get back in the game.


The Knicks need to change their style of play

It appears the OP missed the Mavs' 2011 championship run...as they were designed almost identical to this season's Knicks.

Tough-minded, full of veterans, always have the floor spread with shooters, Tyson in the middle, and a prolific scorer to rely on (Dirk and now 'Melo).

NYC is primed and ready.

[Just2McFly]

It appears the OP missed the Mavs' 2011 championship run...as they were designed almost identical to this season's Knicks.

Tough-minded, full of veterans, always have the floor spread with shooters, Tyson in the middle, and a prolific scorer to rely on (Dirk and now 'Melo).

NYC is primed and ready.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

F*cking hilarious. Are people really forgetting how many improbable things led to the Mavs winning the championship? It won't be replicated and just because you can find similarities doesn't make the team anywhere near the same.

For one, the Mavs have a way better coach and a culture of winning without anywhere near the pressure the Knicks are under.

[LoneyROY7]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:coleman:

Haters hate on.

[PJR]

2011 mavs and 2012 heat say sup

There's no correlation between those two teams and this current Knicks.

The Knicks have launched 40+ three pointers already three times in games. Good luck with that strategy.

[LoneyROY7]

There's no correlation between those two teams and this current Knicks.

The Knicks have launched 40+ three pointers already three times in games. Good luck with that strategy.

You must have missed the Mavs vs the Lakers in '11. They DESTROYED LA by launching countless threes.

[sportsfan76]

It appears the OP missed the Mavs' 2011 championship run...as they were designed almost identical to this season's Knicks.

Tough-minded, full of veterans, always have the floor spread with shooters, Tyson in the middle, and a prolific scorer to rely on (Dirk and now 'Melo).

NYC is primed and ready.


What happens when JR smith stops hitting them? You know he is a streaky shooter. And the same with Novak since that's his only responsibility.

[Rekindled]

There's no correlation between those two teams and this current Knicks.

The Knicks have launched 40+ three pointers already three times in games. Good luck with that strategy.

except the knicks came out and said they built this current team after the 2011 mavs. they hit like 30 threes against the lakers in game 4 2011

[Just2McFly]

:coleman:

Haters hate on.
I just lol at how people like you are really trying to draw comparisons, I think everyone needs to watch that playoff run and see how it will probably never be duplicated.


You must have missed the Mavs vs the Lakers in '11. They DESTROYED LA by launching countless threes.
and you think that kind of record breaking shooting will happen again two years later? yeah...

[LoneyROY7]

What happens when JR smith stops hitting them? You know he is a streaky shooter. And the same with Novak since that's his only responsibility.

Novak isn't a streaky shooter. He's one of the best 3pt marksmen in the league.

J.R. has been hoisting a lot of threes lately...he does need to return to the more balanced attack he had earlier in the season.

He needs to be the Jason Terry of this team.

[Tking714]

Luckily playing inside is easy when you have Melo, Amare, Smith and Felton who can beat people off the dribble, and also Jkidd with Tyson on the lob. Not to mention all of these guys can pick and roll with the best.

We launch 3's because the rest of the league can't handle those factors, leaving us WIDE open. Luckily everyone from our gaurds to our bigs have a deadly jumper. (Aside from Chandler)

[Whoah10115]

Which is why we do not need a stretch 4. A guy who can shoot 3's is fine, but it's not what we need. That's why I'd be cool with Anderson but not with Bargnani...that and Bargnani is a piece of shit.

[LoneyROY7]

I just lol at how people like you are really trying to draw comparisons, I think everyone needs to watch that playoff run and see how it will probably never be duplicated.


and you think that kind of record breaking shooting will happen again two years later? yeah...

Did you watch that game last night? The Knicks certainly have the potential to do so.

[Just2McFly]

Did you watch that game last night? The Knicks certainly have the potential to do so.
how am i supposed to watch that game and predict how they will play in the playoffs?

im just gonna wait a couple of months when things get sorted out and see what you say then. there's always a small possibility, but there is also the possibility that the heat could beat them at their own game due to superior play-making and penetration. not to mention they have shooters with big game experience .

[LoneyROY7]

how am i supposed to watch that game and predict how they will play in the playoffs?

im just gonna wait a couple of months when things get sorted out and see what you say then

I'll do the same.

[swi7ch]

I don't believe the Knicks are capable of winning anything unless I see Amare play for a minimum of 20 games. This is all just one big fluke because Amare is not playing. Let's see how good they really are once Amare returns.

[TeamLAC]

I just lol at how people like you are really trying to draw comparisons, I think everyone needs to watch that playoff run and see how it will probably never be duplicated.


and you think that kind of record breaking shooting will happen again two years later? yeah...
You act like this team of 3 point assassins doesn't have the potential to do so

[knickswin]

knicks need to score in the paint better ... you'd think they'd be better since tyson and carmelo seem to be in the paint a lot

amar'e has had seasons where he's been a top 3 paint scorer so I guess there's a chance he could make a difference. that's what you have to hope for as a knicks fan, I guess

but they're going to be a good shooting team because they get good shots. and steve novak's the best shooter in the league.

[ClutchOver9000]

lol ppl acting like the Knicks are just chucking up 3s with no care in the world.

The vast majority of them are good open looks either through guard penetration or Melo passing it out after getting doubled in the post.

The Knicks are a very good passing team, the ball moves, guys get good looks, it doesn't hurt that just about all of our rotation players are pretty good at hitting the 3 pt shot.

[SevereUpInHere]

Have you seen the looks we've been getting, or just checking box scores?

The 3's are generally well within the flow of the offence, our ball movement is great and we're playing very unselfish. Melo draws so much attention and with Kidd, Novak and Smith out there, you have to either stay close to your man and hope Melo can be stopped 1 on 1, or double Melo and hope we miss our 3s. Last night noone could stay in front of Felton, he gets into the paint and scores, or kicks out, ball swings and the open shooter takes the 3.

We're not always going to have hot 3 point shooting nights, but we're getting a hell of a lot of open shots. Nearly noone is forcing contested 3s. We're not even hitting a ridiculous clip from the 3 this year.

I'm assuming you're not watching us.

[jimmy77x]

Have you seen the looks we've been getting, or just checking box scores?

The 3's are generally well within the flow of the offence, our ball movement is great and we're playing very unselfish. Melo draws so much attention and with Kidd, Novak and Smith out there, you have to either stay close to your man and hope Melo can't be stopped 1 on 1, or double Melo and hope we miss our 3s. Last night noone could stay in front of Felton, he gets into the paint and scores, or kicks out, ball swings and the open shooter takes the 3.

We're not always going to have hot 3 point shooting nights, but we're getting a hell of a lot of open shots. Nearly noone is forcing contested 3s. We're not even hitting a ridiculous clip from the 3 this year.

I'm assuming you're not watching us.

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[Just2McFly]

Some of you are going to find out why people who know what they are talking about say the playoffs are a different game.

I don't think the Knicks are trash or SVG's Magic, but you are guys are legitimately comparing them to the most unlikely champion of the past 20 years.

We'll see.

[SevereUpInHere]

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Makes no sense.

[Clippersfan86]

I agree... Blowing teams out by 20 is a bad strategy. I just can't remember why.

[jimmy77x]

Makes no sense.
my bad misread it:facepalm

[SevereUpInHere]

my bad misread it:facepalm


:cheers: Figured you did haha

[Whoah10115]

I agree... Blowing teams out by 20 is a bad strategy. I just can't remember why.


:applause:

[SevereUpInHere]

Some of you are going to find out why people who know what they are talking about say the playoffs are a different game.

I don't think the Knicks are trash or SVG's Magic, but you are guys are legitimately comparing them to the most unlikely champion of the past 20 years.

We'll see.


Miami killed us in the playoffs last year because (amongst other reasons) defensively they closed out on the perimeter quicker than anyone. This year it's not there, Wade looks old, Bron is the only one who can close out that quick.

I'm not saying we beat Miami in a 7 game series, but it's not going to be 4-1 this time round that's for sure.

[Just2McFly]

Miami killed us in the playoffs last year because (amongst other reasons) defensively they closed out on the perimeter quicker than anyone. This year it's not there, Wade looks old, Bron is the only one who can close out that quick.

I'm not saying we beat Miami in a 7 game series, but it's not going to be 4-1 this time round that's for sure.
Oh definitely, I agree with you on that. You guys have vastly improved and played extremely well, but these lofty comparisons are kinda early.

I would like to add that Wade will most likely improve as the season goes on, and so will Bosh. It's not like they could have played worse than last night.

[Patrick Chewing]

Every one of these haters has failed to mention the two key things that make this team different. Defense and turnovers. One of the top defensive teams in the league and they rarely turn the ball over. This, plus the fact that everyone can make a three practically is a winning combination. Then, the fact that we have an all-star and a soon-to-be all-star coming to help the rotation soon is more reason to believe these Knicks can succeed.


All this other talk is nonsense.

[Sarcastic]

The Knicks offense is not predicated on shooting 3's. They shoot them because the defense packs the paint when they throw into the post, and they take what the defense gives them. Their offense is predicated on ball movement.

[Spaulding]

I am really happy the Knicks are doing so well.

However, I doubt they can keep this record the whole season...especially when Melo does not have the best endurance.

[Y2Gezee]

Which is why we do not need a stretch 4. A guy who can shoot 3's is fine, but it's not what we need. That's why I'd be cool with Anderson but not with Bargnani...that and Bargnani is a piece of shit.


You mean that's why you need Amare? :facepalm

Anyways, this thread is ridiculous.

The Knicks have great 3pt shooting, so that's what they do, and they get wide open ones. This is really no different from what the Spurs do. The Knicks are smart. They shoot 3s when they're rolling, they get shots at the rim or really good open shots when they aren't. But the interior scoring is left to Melo off the drive and Chandler off the pick and roll. Eventually Amare Stoudemire.

Interior scoring is not a problem with this group. Even without Amare, Melo does fine, and they get shots at the rim with Tyson.

[Scoooter]

Melo and Amar'e can both get into the paint and score. Maybe not together, but the ability exists.

[Sarcastic]

Meanwhile, Tyson Chandler is putting up historic numbers for efficiency at the rim.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/tyson-chandler-and-the-acceptance-of-limitations/


But yea, the Knicks only rely on 3 pointers :rolleyes:

[bdreason]

Typically I agree. But these days you see teams like the 09 Magic and 11 Mavericks making the NBA Finals by shooting lots of 3's AND playing defense.

[All Net]

It will because they don't just chuck threes it comes from good passing and isn't forced. They play good D and can score inside. Knicks will be very dangerous come playoff time.

[raprap]

:rolleyes:

[Teanett]

It will because they don't just chuck threes it comes from good passing and isn't forced. They play good D and can score inside. Knicks will be very dangerous come playoff time.
:applause:

and they dont turn over the ball.
and they can shoot free throws.

[Blue&Orange]

instead of playing a more organized type of game.

lol this is hilarious, you obviously haven't seen Knicks games, i doubt there is anyone in the league playing a more organized type of game. Spurs don't count, they've been doing for too long.

They already showed they can adapt to the other team, there are games they go for the three, there are games where is all about screens and cuts and pounding the ball inside.

That's why the Knicks just beat a Heat team looking for revenge, WITHOUT 3 STARTERS!

stay mad.

[stephanieg]

Maybe if Melo and Amare don't play.

[Whoah10115]

You mean that's why you need Amare? :facepalm

Anyways, this thread is ridiculous.

The Knicks have great 3pt shooting, so that's what they do, and they get wide open ones. This is really no different from what the Spurs do. The Knicks are smart. They shoot 3s when they're rolling, they get shots at the rim or really good open shots when they aren't. But the interior scoring is left to Melo off the drive and Chandler off the pick and roll. Eventually Amare Stoudemire.

Interior scoring is not a problem with this group. Even without Amare, Melo does fine, and they get shots at the rim with Tyson.


You mean a guy who can score inside, play some pick n' roll, and has never averaged under 8RPG, until 7.8RPG in less than 33MPG? Yea, we could use him more than Bargnani.


I wouldn't mind Anderson tho. Not that I think we could get him.

[Derka]

Some seriously scurred people in this thread.

Its not just that they're shooting a lot of three's; they're shooting a lot of OPEN three's. That's good ball movement and a guy like Felton who can penetrate and force a defense to clog the middle just makes them that much more open.

[Nash]

We all know Heat turn it up plenty of levels during the playoffs. Throwing up like 20 threes won't cut it, they'll suffocate you with that playoff defense.

[FreezingTsmoove]

These dumbass Knick fans seem to forget about what happens to Mike Woodson led teams in the playoffs. Search up most lopsided sweep in NBA history

[Tking714]

These dumbass Knick fans seem to forget about what happens to Mike Woodson led teams in the playoffs. Search up most lopsided sweep in NBA history

Yea ok. Because "Prime" Joe Johnson is the same player Melo is. And because Al Horford isn't a PF, he's a center.

[I.R.Beast]

I can't believe the coach just stands there and lets his players launch up 200 3=pointers a night instead of playing a more organized type of game. How long can this team continuing winning by shooting so many 3's? Eventually the shit is going to stop falling and they will be forced to score points in other ways. That silly sh*t they are doing now is more suited for the street league and will not help them win in the playoffs.

As a coach, if he sees his team had a big lead from shooting 3's that's the time to let them to slow the game down and get better shots. Not continue to come down and launch even more three's when they can start missing and allow the other team to get back in the game.


The Knicks need to change their style of play

so good defense, pick n roll basketball mixed with good ball swinging(for OPEN 3s), topped off with a versatile superstar that can play with an offense or go 1 on 1 and make big clutch shots is not going to work in the playoffs?...hmm...interesting...

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Mike Woodson doesn't just sit there and let them chuck threes, all of they're three's are wide open and good looks. The only one that might take bad three's at times is JR but besides that no one chucks three's

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yea ok. Because "Prime" Joe Johnson is the same player Melo is. And because Al Horford isn't a PF, he's a center.


Joe Johnson the year of the sweep

21/5/5 .458

Carmelo this year

26/7/2 on .457



Please tell me more about Melo and Joe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Joe Johnson the year of the sweep

21/5/5 .458

Carmelo this year

26/7/2 on .457



Please tell me more about Melo and Joe

You do realize the Knicks are a better team right?

[Trentknicks]

These dumbass Knick fans seem to forget about what happens to Mike Woodson led teams in the playoffs. Search up most lopsided sweep in NBA history
Did you forget Woodson's Hawks also took the 2008 Celtics to a 7 games series. Of course you did you dumbass, this Knicks teams is miles in front of that Hawks team and when you look at the lineup he had that team was never ever getting out of the 2nd round regardless of who coached them.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Did you forget Woodson's Hawks also took the 2008 Celtics to a 7 games series. Of course you did you dumbass, this Knicks teams is miles in front of that Hawks team and when you look at the lineup he had that team was never ever getting out of the 2nd round regardless of who coached them.


:oldlol:

Tell me more about how a team of Joe Johnson, Teague, JSmith, Al Horford isn;t enough to get out of the second round. Actually Mike Woodson has never won a game in the second round despite getting their twice :lol :lol

What exactly is your arguement?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

For all the talk of the 2011 Mavericks... the Mavs shot 25+ three pointers in a playoff game 7 out of 21 times. 33% of the time.

In the regular season, the Mavs shot 25+ three pointers 17 times out of 82 games. 21% of the time.

The Knicks are shooting a lot more than the Mavs ever did.

[FreezingTsmoove]

You do realize the Knicks are a better team right?


Based on what? You do realize the Hawks that year were 13-5 through the first 18 the Knicks this year are 14-4

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Based on what? You do realize the Hawks that year were 13-5 through the first 18 the Knicks this year are 14-4

IDK, based on not being a dumbass? Once Amare and Shumpert come back it won't even be close. This Knicks team shits on those Hawks squads.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Which is why we do not need a stretch 4. A guy who can shoot 3's is fine, but it's not what we need. That's why I'd be cool with Anderson but not with Bargnani...that and Bargnani is a piece of shit.

Ideally I'd say you need a guy who can play some good help defense and defend both the 3 and the 4. From what I've seen Melo is a very good man defender in the post, but struggles with close outs and on the perimeter.

Shooting and floor spacing is a plus but not necessarily better than if someone had a post game.


As for the thread. Great ball movement is not going to work :biggums:

[Blue&Orange]

"Knicks fans are delusional if they think it's D'Antoni fault! The players just suck" :lol

Yep just keep clinging to idiotic notions like an all-star like Amare is going to make the team worse :lol

Or that Woodson sucks in the playoffs :lol

Or that the Knicks style will not work on the playoffs :lol


Stay mad.

[Rubio2Gasol]

"Knicks fans are delusional if they think it's D'Antoni fault! The players just suck" :lol

Yep just keep clinging to idiotic notions like an all-star like Amare is going to make the team worse :lol

Or that Woodson sucks in the playoffs :lol

Or that the Knicks style will not work on the playoffs :lol


Stay mad.


Amare thing is precarious because it will be difficult to integrate him and he will weaken the defense slightly.

But if he really is prepared to come off the bench there's much less reason for pessimism.

[FreezingTsmoove]

IDK, based on not being a dumbass? Once Amare and Shumpert come back it won't even be close. This Knicks team shits on those Hawks squads.


:lol the hype for these big market players

You have yet to give me a valid reason for any of your points

A typical ISH poster :lol

[D.J.]

They make their 3s, spread the floor well with multiple guys who can shoot, and actually play D. You're mistaking this Knicks team with teams that live and die by the three pointer(i.e. 2009 Magic, 2007 Warriors).

[Sarcastic]

These dumbass Knick fans seem to forget about what happens to Mike Woodson led teams in the playoffs. Search up most lopsided sweep in NBA history


:facepalm


Knicks are not the Hawks. How many players on those Hawks teams had championship experience?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:lol the hype for these big market players

You have yet to give me a valid reason for any of your points

A typical ISH poster :lol

Top to bottom the Knicks are better. Melo is the best player between both teams; Chandler is the best defensive player between both teams; Jason Kidd is the best floor manager between both teams; Amare, when healthy, is the best PF between both teams; and the Knicks have the better bench

How is this even a discussion? :oldlol:

[sportsfan76]

Well Steve Novak and JR Smith played over 30 mins and combined for 22 pts against the Bulls tonight.


That playground style didn't work tonight I see

[jimmy77x]

Well Steve Novak and JR Smith played over 30 mins and combined for 22 pts against the Bulls tonight.


That playground style didn't work tonight I see

Haters just waiting for a bad night :lol :lol

[All Net]

Well Steve Novak and JR Smith played over 30 mins and combined for 22 pts against the Bulls tonight.


That playground style didn't work tonight I see

And look who the Knicks were missing..

[Sarcastic]

Well Steve Novak and JR Smith played over 30 mins and combined for 22 pts against the Bulls tonight.


That playground style didn't work tonight I see


Well if Melo, Amare, and Shumpert are all out in the playoffs, then you're correct. The style won't work.

[Blue&Orange]

Well Steve Novak and JR Smith played over 30 mins and combined for 22 pts against the Bulls tonight.


That playground style didn't work tonight I see
FG 32.1% 3PT 34.8%

[rmt]

Haven't read the thread but to get by Miami, I think NY should focus on getting Rasheed in shape as soon as possible. Lebron will be able to neutralize Carmelo, but the Heat will have their hands full defending SCORING big men (Amare, Rasheed) in the post. And Rasheed can be VERY good in the post (when he puts his mind to it).

If, however, SAS reaches the finals opposite NYC, I hope they bury Rasheed on the bench (since he defends Duncan so well) :roll:

[HiphopRelated]

Heat had "trouble" defending the 3 last season during the reg season too. In fact, so far they're defending it better .362 to.363 opponent 3P %

They don't/can't put in that level of effort over 82 games

[R.I.P]

Knick's style like Dalas minus Matrix. OP should see full game instead of highlight :lol

[Bandito]

Haven't read the thread but to get by Miami, I think NY should focus on getting Rasheed in shape as soon as possible. Lebron will be able to neutralize Carmelo, but the Heat will have their hands full defending SCORING big men (Amare, Rasheed) in the post. And Rasheed can be VERY good in the post (when he puts his mind to it).

If, however, SAS reaches the finals opposite NYC, I hope they bury Rasheed on the bench (since he defends Duncan so well) :roll:
lebron neutralize Carmelo? When did that happen? Everytime those 2 plays against each other epic games happen, heck last playoffs lebron didn't neutralize nobody...

[rmt]

lebron neutralize Carmelo? When did that happen? Everytime those 2 plays against each other epic games happen, heck last playoffs lebron didn't neutralize nobody...

I meant guard/defend/balance each other. Heat's big men (outside of Bosh) are relatively weak and won't do well against SCORING big men (not like Perkins/Ibaka).

[La Frescobaldi]

I meant guard/defend/balance each other. Heat's big men (outside of Bosh) are relatively weak and won't do well against SCORING big men (not like Perkins/Ibaka).

Stoudamire yeah okay but T Chandler isn't known as a scoring force.

I do think the Knicks style is the only way a team in this East Conference can beat the Heat and actually for Knicks it has a championship precedence.

Those ring team Knicks shelled the NBA from downtown. In those days of Chamberlain Lakers, nobody was going to score in the paint. Not when it counted. But it wasn't just Wilt who controlled the key, there was also guys like Kareem at the height of his physical powers, Bob Lanier, Nate Thurmond, Dave Cowens.
Knicks had one of the all-time great centers in Willis Reed - which to me Willis would be the best center in today's NBA with a separation not seen since Shaq's glory days - but Willis struggled his whole career with knees.

So that's exactly how the Knicks countered - longe range perimeter shooting. Jerry Lucas & Dave Debusschere would fit perfectly in today's game i.e., for those who don't know as far as scoring they were Novak of their era. But imagine TWO Novaks yeah it truly rained in those days.


My worry for the Knicks winning anything - and I very seriously doubt it can ever be overcome - is named Carmelo Hero Ball Hog Anthony.

[rmt]

Stoudamire yeah okay but T Chandler isn't known as a scoring force.

My worry for the Knicks winning anything - and I very seriously doubt it can ever be overcome - is named Carmelo Hero Ball Hog Anthony.

That's why I suggested getting Rasheed in shape. He CAN score from the post (when he puts his mind to it) and together with Amare will keep Bosh occupied. Carmelo just needs to get Lebron to expend some energy on the defensive end so he has less for the offense. That'll cut down on the Heat's 3pt shooting and force Wade to pick up the slack.

[La Frescobaldi]

That's why I suggested getting Rasheed in shape. He CAN score from the post (when he puts his mind to it) and together with Amare will keep Bosh occupied. Carmelo just needs to get Lebron to expend some energy on the defensive end so he has less for the offense. That'll cut down on the Heat's 3pt shooting and force Wade to pick up the slack.

He's one of the greats no question - meaning Rasheed W.

anthony is bad news no matter how I add it up. The single best thing the Knicks can do is dump him. At any price.

The greatest thing to happen for the League lately was Linsanity. And precisely as I predicted, it was nobody but Anthony that dismantled it, killed it, ruined it, wrecked it, and made sure he also got rid of the coach that was building it.
Deliberate or unconscious, that was pure sabotage of a teammate and a coach.