Does Blake Griffin have GOAT potential?

[TheMarkMadsen]

:confusedshrug:

In your opinion does Blake Griffin have the potential to become a top 5 GOAT power forward?

I came across this statement in another thread with CF86, who claimed Griffin has top 5 GOAT potential, i had never heard this claim before and seeing as CF86 follows the Clip show as much as he does maybe there is some merit to that statement.




Blake is already a top 5 PF and has the potential to be a top 5 PF EVER. Sure the combined 3 players you're proposing may give a bit more now but if Blake becomes next in line to the Barkley's and Malone's which it's looking like...


just wondering if this is a popular thought or if it's a stretch in most people's opinions,

For me, i think Griffin does have amazing potential, but do I think he can become better or as good as Tim Dunca, KG, Barkley, Malone, or even Mchale/Dirk that, that i'm not sure.

IMO we haven't seen enough of Griffin as "da man" on a team to declare that he has the potential to become as good as some of the players mentioned before. Also, defensively, i just can't see him ever surpassing guys like TD or KG, however he is still young so i shouldnt rule that out entirely.

Maybe i'm wrong though.

So what you ya'll think? If you don't think Griffin has the potential to be a top 5 GOAT power forward, please explain why the best that you can, same goes for if you do think he has that potential.

CF86 i'd love to hear your opinion on this since it was your statement that inspired this thread & i never really got around to asking you why you thought that was so

[Dictator]

Yes.

[mattvNJ]

to be great yes, top 5 pf i dont believe hell make that jump. A ton of players have this type of potentials yet never achieve it. Some people just hit a ceiling. Also i hate BG. But hes stepped it up this year. His shot looks A TON nicer, yet i dont see rediculous improvements on the defensive end like stated. Improved yes, vastly no. (and yes i have watched clipper games quite a few this year and last so CF dont try and say otherwise lol)

[DuMa]

no sorry. he is just a very rich man's version of kevin willis. the original t-rex

[Heavincent]

Hell no.

[B-hoop]

He is so young i think its premature to make this kind of conclusion. He has improved a lot though, i think most people don't see how he has improved because they only look at stats and dont know how playing in a stacked team has limited his stats and minutes though he still is a 20/10 guy.

I think the main question is if he will improved his defense to a higher level. That's the only way i can see the Clippers winning a championship with this team. He has shown some glimpses the last few games, but there is still a lot of room for improvement

[Legends66NBA7]

Let's see, discussing just from ISH voting:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7978497&postcount=3

PF
1. Tim Duncan - #9
2. Kevin Garnett - #16
3. Karl Malone - #17
4. Charles Barkley - #18
5. Bob Pettit - #20
6. Dirk Nowitzki - #22
7. Dolph Schayes - #38
8. Kevin McHale - #40
9. Elvin Hayes - #44
10. Dennis Rodman - #50

And then, Blake would have to pass a list of:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/555788-nba-power-rankings-tim-duncan-and-the-50-best-power-forwards-of-all-time

^ A lot of guys I think he can pass on that list, but it's obviously going to be a tough raod. Right now, I just don't see it happening.

[knickswin]

short answer: no

long answer: noooooooooooooooooo

[Chapallaz]

No way too little D and too little moves on O.

[CavaliersFTW]

:facepalm Blake Griffin's ceiling is below Larry Nance on the all-time list. And that's a compliment.

[LONGTIME]

Poor mans Shawn Kemp.

[ZaaaaaH]

Potential = Yes

Will he become the GOAT of PF = :confusedshrug:

[swi7ch]

His ceiling is Shawn Kemp so no.

[brandonislegend]

I laughed.

[b1imtf]

lol

[NumberSix]

No

[outbreak]

It's hard to say a solid no for any player's potential. But really I don't see it at all. Unless he suddenly improves EVERY aspect of his game (besides dunking and rebounding) then he's a long way off. There's probably close to 5 guys in the league at the moment who were higher on the GOAT list in their primes then Blake every will be.

[QuebecBaller]

For me, i think Griffin does have amazing potential, but do I think he can become better or as good as Tim Dunca, KG, Barkley, Malone, or even Mchale/Dirk that, that i'm not sure.


:facepalm

Tell me you're 8 years old

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm

Tell me you're 8 years old


what implies that i'm 8 years old when i say that i'm not sure if he can reach the level of guys like Tim duncan & KG?

maybe you read it to fast and thought i was saying "i do" instead of "do i"

maybe you should slow down, comprehend what you read before you start hurling insults and face palms..

[Micku]

Sure. But he has improve in a few areas. I thought Chris Webber had more potential than Blake Griffin in terms being GOAT PF. He was a better passer, better shooter, could post up, pretty good mid-range game. KG in his prime was on a sucky team also.

There were/are other PFs that had better starts and better than Griffin is right now in his 3rd year. Griffin is still young and raw, so that could change. But I don't know. A lot of players have potential. I think he can become better than he actually is right now, but he has to keep on improving and we'll see where he'll be.

[liquidrage]

GOATin sounds stupid so I vote "no"

[pnyozzzoo]

No, if he can become the Goat, then NBA is dead, cannot imagine a Goat with such an ugly game.

[DKLaker]

I laughed.

Me too :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Pushxx]

Anybody who thinks Blake has GOAT potential must think Adam Morrison still has a chance in the NBA.

[Calabis]

NO....if u look at all the GOAT candidates their main attribute was fundamentals....ala Kobe, athletically he's declined but he has no huge weakness, due to being fundamentally sound(Old ass Duncan too)...Griffin is learning fundamentals at 20+ years of age, so the answer is no. Once his athleticism drops so will he ala Vince Carter

[-p.tiddy-]

GOAT = "Greatest Of All Time"

how can someone be a "top-5 GOAT" ?....makes no sense

[Mr. Jabbar]

Anybody who thinks Blake has GOAT potential must think Adam Morrison still has a chance in the NBA.

Ammo had GOAT potential but too much winning made him comfy and didn't care anymore.

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/7541/photocropexact.jpg

[-p.tiddy-]

to answer the question though, I think Griffin will retire as one of the top-30 to ever play the game

somewhere in there

[Levity]

GKSOAT!!!!









greatest kia salesman of all time!!!!

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Nope, just doesnt have it. Pretty obvious at this point.

[TheMarkMadsen]

GOAT = "Greatest Of All Time"

how can someone be a "top-5 GOAT" ?....makes no sense


top 5 greatest of all time power forward, the question is can he become a top 5 power forward of all time.

CF86 stated in a thread that BG has the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time.

I was curious as to whether that opinion was shared by anybody else outside of a hardcore clipper fan who is obviusly a little biased,

[sipitri]

I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".

Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.

[DirkNowitzki41]

hell no.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".

Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.

Did any of those u mentioned jumped over a kia and DUKED it? No. So its simple, he is GOAT.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".

Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.


once again this is not my personal opinion, CF86 posted this and i was wanting to know if this is an opinion shared by others or just clippers fans.

i clearly stated in the OP that i think he has amazing potential but that i haven't seen enough to make the claim that he has potential to be a top 5 PF of all time.

i stated in a thread that i thought a J smith & Al Horford for BG trade would benefit the Clippers, and while debating this with CF86 he said that Griffin had potential to be a top 5 power forward ever.

so i'm trying to see if anybody else shares that opinion outside of clippers fans.

[Pacers4ever]

Why can't BG turn into a LeGreekGodBron with his similar amazing athleticism?

[-p.tiddy-]

top 5 greatest of all time power forward, the question is can he become a top 5 power forward of all time.

CF86 stated in a thread that BG has the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time.

I was curious as to whether that opinion was shared by anybody else outside of a hardcore clipper fan who is obviusly a little biased,
I think he has the physical tools to where that is possible...yes

don't bother reading the "omg hell no" posts...it's so early in Blake's career...his prime years are yet to come

[TheBigVeto]

He can be one of the best but not top 5.

[asdf1990]

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[-p.tiddy-]

In order to be top-5 he is going to have to win an MVP or two and at least one ring

it's certainly possible...he just has to keep improving

[ZaaaaaH]

what implies that i'm 8 years old when i say that i'm not sure if he can reach the level of guys like Tim duncan & KG?

maybe you read it to fast and thought i was saying "i do" instead of "do i"

maybe you should slow down, comprehend what you read before you start hurling insults and face palms..


Pwned :D

[LikeABosh]

He is nothing more than Shawn Kemp

[-p.tiddy-]

He is nothing more than Shawn Kemp
uh no...he is already a ROY and 2x All Star...and much better numbers than Kemp had during his start


why is it so popular to hate on Griffin to this degree?...I don't get it

[clipps]

It's a long shot but Blake has improved in the areas that he had troubles with last season like defense, shooting and self confidence. Early this season, he had a hard time being decisive, once he caught the ball, he'd take too long to figure out what to do with the ball but now he's more in rhythm. He's gotten better but that should be an attribute he should put some work on. He does have the potential to be that "jack of all trades" big man.

[stephanieg]

Maybe if he didn't have t-rex arms.

[Fiasco]

Greatest Player of All Time = No chance.

Top 5 Power Forward of all time? Absolutely.

[k0kakw0rld]

Greatest Player of All Time = No chance.

Top 5 Power Forward of all time? Absolutely NOT
Fixed. :rockon:

[Clippersfan86]

In hos rookie year most said yes to this. Now he's a better player and it's hell no? It's not a prediction on my end, just a statement that he has that type of potential. Duncan, Malone and Barkley will be very hard to catch but KG, Dirk and Mchale are far from out of reach. These kinds of threads just fire me up because I can't wait to say told you so.

[Fiasco]

I'm not sure what you've fixed about my sentence. If anything, you've made it incorrect.

[livinglegend]

I knew that Griffin was overrated, but this overrated...
GOAT POTENTIAL :biggums: :facepalm :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

Duncan, Malone and Barkley will be very hard to catch but KG, Dirk and Mchale are far from out of reach.

Let's talk about the PF's before those guys. The ones that he needs to pass first before he's in that conversation.

PS - Would have to pass Bob Pettit, Elvin Hayes, and Dolph Schayes all-time too. All relative to era.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Does he have the potential? Maybe. Do I think he'll get there? Don't see it happening.

[Clippersfan86]

Let's talk about the PF's before those guys. The ones that he needs to pass first before he's in that conversation.

PS - Would have to pass Bob Pettit, Elvin Hayes, and Dolph Schayes all-time too. All relative to era.

Do you think with Blake's skillset, athleticism and fast start to his career that those guys are ANYWHERE near out of reach? 20/10/3+ career player plus a couple rings, maybe a finals MVP and 15 all star appearances and people will believe it.

[kNicKz]

In hos rookie year most said yes to this.

No one said this during his rookie season. Dunking and flopping doesn't make you a goat.

This is a goat

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/chuck.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

I knew that Griffin was overrated, but this overrated...
GOAT POTENTIAL :biggums: :facepalm :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nobody has ever said Blake has GOAT potential so nobody is overrating him. It's simply the OP wanting to bash Griffin more so he makes an intentionally stupid and misleading thread title to fuel trolls. Blake has top 5 PF all time POTENTIAL and anybody who disagrees doesn't know basketball, plain and simple. Will he hit it? Maybe not. Is his skillset, production, start to career and upside good enough? Hell yes.

Blake is already about to be a 3 time all star and career 20/10/3 player in the first 3 seasons of his career. No other modern PF outside of Duncan can boast that. Bottom line is OP intentionally baited you guys in here under a false notion and it worked because people fell for the stupid thread and blasted Griffin.

[livinglegend]

Nobody has ever said Blake has GOAT potential so nobody is overrating him. It's simply the OP wanting to bash Griffin more so he makes an intentionally stupid and misleading thread title to fuel trolls. Blake has top 5 PF all time POTENTIAL and anybody who disagrees doesn't know basketball, plain and simple. Will he hit it? Maybe not. Is his skillset, production, start to career and upside good enough? Hell yes.

Blake is already about to be a 3 time all star and career 20/10/3 player in the first 3 seasons of his career. No other modern PF outside of Duncan can boast that. Bottom line is OP intentionally baited you guys in here under a false notion and it worked because people fell for the stupid thread and blasted Griffin.

Doesnt change the fact that he is overrated.
He is considered top 2 pf in the league by many . :oldlol:

[The Nets]

The way he played in his rookie season sure shows GOAT potential, unfortunately he has been declining season after season. Its almost incomprehensible, but guess thats what it is. His first season had something like 22/12, then it became 20/10, this season it was barely 18/9. If the trend continues, it wont take him more than 3 seasons to become a complete mediocre player. If I were Clippers FO I'm going to trade him while he still has value, it is like a falling stock that you better get rid of earlier than later.
:lol

But seriously, can you name another player who has been declining since his rookie season? Evans maybe?

[Clippersfan86]

Doesnt change the fact that he is overrated.
He is considered top 2 pf in the league by many . :oldlol:

In December Blake is putting up 22 ppg, 10 rpg, 4 apg and 2.5 spg to go with a block and elite efficiency. Not many games but he's finally healthy and doing all of this damage in 30 minutes a game due to blowout wins lately. Bottom line is Blake two weeks ago was arguably not a top 5 PF, let alone 2 but currently is playing like the best PF in the NBA.

Even if he's only a top 4-5 PF this year... we have to remember PF is easily the 2nd most loaded position in the NBA after PG so nothing to be ashamed of. Dude is a 20/10/3 career player at only 23 so with as much as people criticize him he's not overrated. Maybe overhyped early in his career but that's not his fault.

[Clippersfan86]

The way he played in his rookie season sure shows GOAT potential, unfortunately he has been declining season after season. Its almost incomprehensible, but guess thats what it is. His first season had something like 22/12, then it became 20/10, this season it was barely 18/9. If the trend continues, it wont take him more than 3 seasons to become a complete mediocre player. If I were Clippers FO I'm going to trade him while he still has value, it is like a falling stock that you better get rid of earlier than later.
:lol

But seriously, can you name another player who has been declining since his rookie season? Evans maybe?

Retard confirmed. Can you name any other young star that suddenly had a top 5 player and 20 ppg player added to his team along with loads of other pieces in one offseason? Blake was a more complete/better player in every year of his career. Raw numbers don't tell the story because the Clippers have gotten SIGNIFICANTLY better talent in his second and third season.

[The Nets]

Retard confirmed. Can you name any other young star that suddenly had a top 5 player and 20 ppg player added to his team along with loads of other pieces in one offseason? Blake was a more complete/better player in every year of his career. Raw numbers don't tell the story because the Clippers have gotten SIGNIFICANTLY better talent in his second and third season.

Scoring maybe, but it does not explain the decline in his rpg especially when Jordan was pretty much averaging the same rpg as he did in Griffin's rookie season(clearly not because of Jordan stealing his rebounds). Also incase you havent noticed, Griffin's FT% was also his career best in his rookie season. So ppg, rpg and FT% all declined since his rookie season, it is just because he suddenly had better teammates? Let's face it dude, Griffin is done, its time to ship him out before he becomes 14/6 player in his 5-6th year. When that time comes, you know there's no team interested in taking his contract any longer.

[Clippersfan86]

Scoring maybe, but it does not explain the decline in his rpg especially when Jordan was pretty much averaging the same rpg as he did in Griffin's rookie season(clearly not because of Jordan stealing his rebounds). Also incase you havent noticed, Griffin's FT% was also his career best in his rookie season. So ppg, rpg and FT% all declined since his rookie season, it is just because he suddenly had better teammates? Let's face it dude, Griffin is done, its time to ship him out before he becomes 14/6 player in his 5-6th year. When that time comes, you know there's no team interested in taking his contract any longer.

Stop trolling and just be glad the Nets will be the 7 seed this year.

[The Nets]

Stop trolling and just be glad the Nets will be the 7 seed this year.

Wow whats that from dude? I never insulted the Clippers, they are a good team. Just need to get rid of that overrated trash, hopefully getting Love or Aldridge in return so you can win a title?
:cheers:

[Legends66NBA7]

Do you think with Blake's skillset, athleticism and fast start to his career that those guys are ANYWHERE near out of reach? 20/10/3+ career player plus a couple rings, maybe a finals MVP and 15 all star appearances and people will believe it.

Off course their not out of Griffin's reach.

Everything needs context though.

All-Star appearances are a given, but who's ranking Chris Bosh over the likes of Chris Webber and Kevin McHale for more or equal all-star appearances ?

Mentioning rings (something that really needs a lot of context), could I see him winning Finals MVP ? Sure, but it would be like a Paul Pierce or Tony Parker-esque MVP, he wasn't the best player for that team. It will still be Chris Paul. He makes that team go. More credit will be going to Paul, even with Griffin's potential Finals MVP and even that's not a guarantee.
:
Skillset wise, I can see Griffin compete with the majority of the Top 10:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7978497&postcount=3

PF
1. Tim Duncan - #9
2. Kevin Garnett - #16
3. Karl Malone - #17
4. Charles Barkley - #18
5. Bob Pettit - #20
6. Dirk Nowitzki - #22
7. Dolph Schayes - #38
8. Kevin McHale - #40
9. Elvin Hayes - #44
10. Dennis Rodman - #50

Pettit and Schayes are pioneers, so can really mention what they would do today. Rodman wasn't a great offensive threat but could do everything else possibly better than Griffin outside of scoring. McHale could do everything outside of passing perhaps better than Griffin too (rebounding against Bird and Parish, there weren't many rebounds available, but still got close to 9-10 a game).

Which brings up another point about being the Top guy. Outside of Rodman and McHale, majority of those guys were considered the best player on their team for a long stretch of time. This is where ranking Griffin will be tricky, because he is the #2 on his team.

Now, could he be that exception as a #2 option on his team, like say... a Kobe Bryant to Shaq in their championship years... where Clippers could win a back to back and Griffin puts up 25-12 in those years ? Then yes, that should be looked at as impressive. Thinking about it more, it's not impossible, just a lot of things have to go right. Once he proves himself in the playoffs as a potent force, then the talks of Top 5-10 PF should get stronger.

Touching upon 15 all-star selections, I don't see Griffin that durable. Perhaps 9-10 and unless he has a much more polished skill-set, I don't see him getting that many nominations. He's also missed a full season because of injury and it could happen again.

[chazzy]

http://j.wigflip.com/Nk1ridht/roflbot.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

I don't give a shit who laid the foundation. A better player is a better player and pioneering something doesn't matter in the ranking of talent/production. BTW I do feel Blake can become better than Paul if he hits his max potential. Both have top 5 all time potential at their positions.

[The Nets]

I don't give a shit who laid the foundation. A better player is a better player and pioneering something doesn't matter in the ranking of talent/production. BTW I do feel Blake can become better than Paul if he hits his max potential. Both have top 5 all time potential at their positions.

But reality is that he keeps declining since his rookie season, how can he ever become better than Chris Paul?
:rolleyes:

[TheMarkMadsen]

In December Blake is putting up 22 ppg, 10 rpg, 4 apg and 2.5 spg to go with a block and elite efficiency. Not many games but he's finally healthy and doing all of this damage in 30 minutes a game due to blowout wins lately. Bottom line is Blake two weeks ago was arguably not a top 5 PF, let alone 2 but currently is playing like the best PF in the NBA.

Even if he's only a top 4-5 PF this year... we have to remember PF is easily the 2nd most loaded position in the NBA after PG so nothing to be ashamed of. Dude is a 20/10/3 career player at only 23 so with as much as people criticize him he's not overrated. Maybe overhyped early in his career but that's not his fault.
Yeah what exactly in the op can be considered trashing griffin?

Please quote my op and bold the part where I trash griffin

I quoted the wrong post but you said the op was made to trash griffin

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah what exactly in the op can be considered trashing griffin?

Please quote my op and bold the part where I trash griffin

I quoted the wrong post but you said the op was made to trash griffin

I explained it. You intentionally mock Griffin by using the word GOAT in the title when clearly Griffin isn't and will never be the GOAT. You just manipulated the situation and I felt like you worded it in a way where obviously everybody was going to piss on Griffin.

[Micku]

The way he played in his rookie season sure shows GOAT potential, unfortunately he has been declining season after season. Its almost incomprehensible, but guess thats what it is. His first season had something like 22/12, then it became 20/10, this season it was barely 18/9. If the trend continues, it wont take him more than 3 seasons to become a complete mediocre player. If I were Clippers FO I'm going to trade him while he still has value, it is like a falling stock that you better get rid of earlier than later.
:lol

But seriously, can you name another player who has been declining since his rookie season? Evans maybe?

It's amazing when ppl say that when Griffin is actually better than he was when his rookie season. Simple numbers =/= better player. His defense is better, jumpshot is better, and doing this while playing less minutes too. No question he is better, it just that he isn't the first option and they are playing more team ball.

[BEAST Griffin]

He's actually been suffering a lot in the offense employed by Chris Paul. But the leash around his neck is wearing out and he's getting better and better and some day it's going to explode and he's going to dominate. For people that said Chris Paul would make Blake Griffin...it's been more like the opposite tbh although it's been looking better recently.

#unleashgriffin

[Clippersfan86]

It's amazing when ppl say that when Griffin is actually better than he was when his rookie season. Simple numbers =/= better player. His defense is better, jumpshot is better, and doing this while playing less minutes too. No question he is better, it just that he isn't the first option and they are playing more team ball.

Much less shots, minutes and WAY more weapons around him. Some people just can't apply even basic logic to basketball discussions.

[BEAST Griffin]

And how exactly is he overrated? Is he overrated by everyone saying he's overrated?

It's like the reverse San Antonio Spurs effect where the key word is usually 'underrated'.

:facepalm

[La Frescobaldi]

When Griffin catches fire he is the real thing and no mistake.
He has the real ability to take over games.
To me his biggest problems are these:
Star mentality needs to go away - play freaking ball to compete, not to be an entertainer;
He's got to figure out Chris Paul's weaknesses and make up for them with his own game;
Terrible culture surrounding a team that won't even get its own "Forum";

Hes gotta figure out his coach.

why worry about some all time list? Concentrate on those kinds of things and accolades will fall into his hands just like plums

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't give a shit who laid the foundation. A better player is a better player and pioneering something doesn't matter in the ranking of talent/production.

Well, that really depends on somebody's criteria, which I'm not going to argue with you on that.

Players like George Mikan, Bob Pettit, Dolph Schayes, etc... are all going to be in the majority of Top 10's for their respective positions. And yes, they did produce, which is why I stated relative to era. I don't know how skilled they could be, but I also said I'm not going touch up on that too much.


BTW I do feel Blake can become better than Paul if he hits his max potential. Both have top 5 all time potential at their positions.

I could see that too, but that's also going to be thanks to Paul for getting him cleaner looks.

I think Paul has Top 3 potential as well, behind only Magic and Oscar.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://j.wigflip.com/Nk1ridht/roflbot.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I explained it. You intentionally mock Griffin by using the word GOAT in the title when clearly Griffin isn't and will never be the GOAT. You just manipulated the situation and I felt like you worded it in a way where obviously everybody was going to piss on Griffin.

If you actually read the op it says does he have top five goat power forward potential.

I used your exact words. I'm not responsible for the people who dot read the op and just post based off the title, the title draws people in to read the actual post so that i can get a wide variety of answers. everybody on ISH does it, including yourself.

"Does Blake griffin have the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time?" Is just long And awkward.

I clarified everything in the actual post and even directly asked you for some insight on why you believe he has that level of potential.

Get off my knutts

[The Nets]

He's actually been suffering a lot in the offense employed by Chris Paul. But the leash around his neck is wearing out and he's getting better and better and some day it's going to explode and he's going to dominate. For people that said Chris Paul would make Blake Griffin...it's been more like the opposite tbh although it's been looking better recently.

#unleashgriffin

Yeah, Griffin and CP3 do not fit each other well. Clippers need to make a choice between the two. CP3 is obvious the better player, and Griffin is already in decline though being younger. If I were Clippers FO I trade Griffin, Bledsoe, Odom(used to balance salary) and picks to Wolves for Kevin Love and Alexey Shved by Dec 15th.

[Clippersfan86]

If you actually read the op it says does he have top five goat power forward potential.

I used your exact words. I'm not responsible for the people who dot read the op and just post based off the title, the title draws people in to read the actual post so that i can get a wide variety of answers. everybody on ISH does it, including yourself.

"Does Blake griffin have the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time?" Is just long And awkward.

I clarified everything in the actual post and even directly asked you for some insight on why you believe he has that level of potential.

Get off my knutts

He's off to the best 3 year start of almost any PF in NBA history. So of course the potential is there considering he's still raw and has a lot of refining to do. Barkley talked about him being one of the top 5 PF's of all time if he keeps working hard and refines his game. Hell Barkley said Blake had potential to be BETTER than him :confusedshrug: .

[BEAST Griffin]

Yeah, Griffin and CP3 do not fit each other well. Clippers need to make a choice between the two. CP3 is obvious the better player, and Griffin is already in decline though being younger. If I were Clippers FO I trade Griffin, Bledsoe, Odom(used to balance salary) and picks to Wolves for Kevin Love and Alexey Shved by Dec 15th.

:facepalm

[noob cake]

No way too little D and too little moves on O.

1. Tim Duncan - #9
2. Kevin Garnett - #16
3. Karl Malone - #17
4. Charles Barkley - #18
5. Bob Pettit - #20
6. Dirk Nowitzki - #22
7. Dolph Schayes - #38
8. Kevin McHale - #40
9. Elvin Hayes - #44
10. Dennis Rodman - #50

Yup, no D, but also not enough O to overtake Barkley, Dirk, McHale.

[Clippersfan86]

1. Tim Duncan - #9
2. Kevin Garnett - #16
3. Karl Malone - #17
4. Charles Barkley - #18
5. Bob Pettit - #20
6. Dirk Nowitzki - #22
7. Dolph Schayes - #38
8. Kevin McHale - #40
9. Elvin Hayes - #44
10. Dennis Rodman - #50

Yup, no D, but also not enough O to overtake Barkley, Dirk, McHale.

Yes let's make this assessment based on 2 years and about two months from Blake. Blake's defense is already close if not better than no defense players Barkley, Dirk and McHale and he's just in his 3rd year. Blake has potential to become an elite man defender in the KG mold. Never a great shotblocker but a great ball thief for the PF spot and a versatile, top tier man defender. We are seeing it now.

[chazzy]

Blake has potential to become an elite man defender in the KG mold.
Cmon. You're abusing the word potential.

[Clippersfan86]

Cmon. You're abusing the word potential.

I don't mean ever nearly as good as KG defensively. I mean in the sense that most of his defensive damage is done on the man D and positional defense. Blake can become a great man defender and is already becoming a "good" one this year.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yes let's make this assessment based on 2 years and about two months from Blake. Blake's defense is already close if not better than no defense players Barkley, Dirk and McHale and he's just in his 3rd year.

:biggums: :eek: :coleman:

Just saying, bro...

[BoutPractice]

Yes, if he improves considerably and doesn't get injured, none of which are guaranteed.

[brandonislegend]

Yes let's make this assessment based on 2 years and about two months from Blake. Blake's defense is already close if not better than no defense players Barkley, Dirk and McHale and he's just in his 3rd year. Blake has potential to become an elite man defender in the KG mold. Never a great shotblocker but a great ball thief for the PF spot and a versatile, top tier man defender. We are seeing it now.

With T-rex arms, easily rattled, and terrible footwork basically the opposite of KG. I dont think so.

[CavaliersFTW]

Gotta love CF86 I wish he was back honestly :lol

[Round Mound]

Blake has similar qualities as Barkley in terms of athletic ability, passing and handles.

Now the difference is Barkley`s strength, godly post game, overall offensive abilities inside the 3-pointline, intimidation, coast to coasts etc.

Whats Blakes 2-Point FG% and PPG through it?

[WorldWarriors]

I thought he did but now I'm not so sure. The easily rattled part gives me pause. You have to be confident.

[andgar923]

I called him weak sauce eons ago.

Was never enamored with his game.

He's improved, but he's not THERE, yet.

There's many players that have tons of talent, great skills, athleticism etc. But the GREATS the 'true' Greats, have 'IT'.

Magic's game didn't scream out tons of 'skill' per se, but he had 'IT'. Griffin always disappoints. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone this off season or if CP3 demands to be traded if he's still there. I think CP3 defers to him too much. He doesn't want to offend him and fully take the team over.