What do the Lakers need to do?

[9erempiree]

I am shocked right now and don't know what the heck is going on.

What would you do?

[swi7ch]

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[Hoiids]

I'd win a game or two.

[BEAST Griffin]

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[Noob Saibot]

Be a Clipper fan. Its a new powerhouse in LA.

[9erempiree]

Be a Clipper fan. Its a new powerhouse in LA.

no.

[hawkfan]

Jim Buss needs to go.
Have Jeannie run the team.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I am shocked right now and don't know what the heck is going on.

What would you do?

Godbe is testing our faith. Hold on, be strong, and you will be saved.

[TheBigVeto]

Just disband the organization.

[LA Lakers]

Find a way so that opponents dont score on you at will. Cant say much about offense. Ball been stopping with Kobe just like under Mike Brown. Until Nash comes back looks like thats the way its gonna be on that end... I guess offensively gotta limit turnovers and more ball movement. But defensively limit pick n roll, force the perimeter more, no drives, no easy buckets, no wide open baseline threes, help defense, quicker switches, know who rotates where, play ZONE against a team with more athleticism which is pretty much any team in the league at this point... I dont know man theres a lot to work on

[tmacattack33]

They can't do anything.

Fourteen teams each year don't make the playoffs, and some teams are constantly in that group (Charlotte, Toronto, Clippers before Blake and Chris Paul, etc).

[konex]

A penetrating PG who can shoot will solve half their problems. That will ease the load on Kobe, get easier shots for Dwight and cut the turnovers down.

The scary thing is that I don't think Nash is that PG...

[rhythmic]

How about wait until three players return from injury?
It's tough to be a good team when you institutionalize a new system, have three different coaches and then deal with injuries to new players.

Howard isn't 100%.
Nash has been out for 20 games.
Pau is day-to-day.
Blake is out until February.
Meeks, Jamison, MWP and Hill are role players who are playing starter minutes.
Duhon and Morris is our main PG core.

:biggums:

[Bandito]

I am shocked right now and don't know what the heck is going on.

What would you do?
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[longtime lurker]

Murder D'Antoni.........


Seriously though they'll have to make a trade, even if it's a minor trade. Hire a defensive coach in the off season because they ain't winning shit this year

[Boston C's]

Godbe is testing our faith. Hold on, be strong, and you will be saved.

just stop this nonsense plz...as great as kobe is nobody wins games alone

stupidly enough you hired d antoni HOWEVER if the lakers want to be successful then he should change his system to suit his players...that means playing at a slower pace...this isnt a run and gun team...minus dwight these guys are old so a slower tempo would benefit

o and preaching defense would kinda help too....just sayin :lol

[BEAST Griffin]

Murder D'Antoni.........


Seriously though they'll have to make a trade, even if it's a minor trade. Hire a defensive coach in the off season because they ain't winning shit this year

uh...oh...Lakers fans ready to set L.A. on fire again

[Hank]

throw hand grenades in the homes of every one of their braindead fans while asleep

[Dictator]

Kill pringles and Let Bernie Bickerstaff run the show.

[BEAST Griffin]

they riot when they win i'm going on vacation if they miss the playoffs :lol

[Rubio2Gasol]

"Neuter" D'Antoni.

Let Eddie Jordan figure out the offense with Bernie....combination of quick reads and running the clock along with post up's and iso's. Nash is still effective as he gets to run pick and roll to get the ball to Howard and Pau in better position then proceeds to space the floor.

Or they could somehow find a way to get Josh Smith and a shooter from Atlanta.

Defense: Guards need to press and play the lanes to prevent the ball from getting down the court.

Howard plain needs to be better and have more sense.

Learn to anchor a defense and communicate like a real center.

[obonpaxis]

Hope that '05 Artest, '06 Kobe, '07 Nash, '08 Pau and '10 Dwight meet on another time continuum where they all have healthy backs, knees, balls, and brains.

[KOBE143]

Godbe is testing our faith. Hold on, be strong, and you will be saved.
this

There's still hope.. Have faith in our Lord Gawdbe and maybe someday everything will be alright..

[White Mamba]

Fire the run and gun coach, slow the pace, win it all.

[Boston C's]

this

There's still hope.. Have faith in our Lord Gawdbe and maybe someday everything will be alright..

absolutely...dont change anything and everything will be alright eventually :lol

[White Mamba]

Hope that '05 Artest, '06 Kobe, '07 Nash, '08 Pau and '10 Dwight meet on another time continuum where they all have healthy backs, knees, balls, and brains.

and I'm just guessing Pau goes with the balls:oldlol:

[32MJ32]

I'm not sure its worth trying to use logic when talking about the Lakers on this board, but I have nothing better to do than waste my time, so here's a try:

- They brought in a coach who has a system is based on high pick and rolls, side pick and rolls, and quick shots. He's famously stubborn and wont change it. (Frankly, I don't blame him - they hired him to institute pick and roll basketball and that's what he's doing.)

- Without a guard who has the ability to turn the corner and make the correct pass, usually the "pocket pass" to the rolling big or a skip pass to an open shooter when the defense over rotates, the success of the pick and roll is compromised. The only way to score is if the defense leaves the ballhandler open for a shot. The Lakers do not currently have a fit player capable of consistently making the right pass, Kobe included. Luckily, Kobe is doing an amazing job shot making, or the situation would be even more dire.

- Similarly, the have no guards with the wheels or ballhandling ability to push the tempo and get quick baskets

- Darius Morris is not ready for the NBA and may never be. It's a pick and roll league and I'm not sure I've seen a worse pick and roll player get such significant court time at point guard (ever. Seriously). He's the only PG I can remember who picks his dribble up 30-35 feet from the hoop, regularly, when trying to run a high pick and roll. It's most useless thing he can do in that situation, throwing the ball away aside, and he does it ALL the time.

- The other option is Duhon, who couldn't guard me off the dribble, and I'm 29, work a desk job and haven't played serious ball for like 3.5 years.

- As a result, they've resorted to playing Meeks at the 1... which is just _________

- The rolling big, Howard, is coming off back surgery and is noticeably less agile and explosive than usual. The other viable option is on the bench in a suit with knee tendinitis (Gasol). That has further compromised the success of D'Antoni's system.

- They look slow and disorganised defensively. No excuses here. They just need to get on the same page.

So what do they need to do?

1. Get healthy. Really. This is like 75% of the problem.

2. If they can't get healthy, make a move for a PG who is a better pick and roll player than Morris and a better on-ball defender than Duhon. I doubt that's too difficult. I'd like to borrow from Bill Simmons and ask why we have a D League if there aren't better players in it than Morris and Duhon? What's the point of having one if you can play as poorly as those two have and STILL keep your job?

3. Tighten up defensively. Regardless of whatever offensive struggles they're having, they should at least be able to knuckle down defensively and stay in games.

4. Relax. It's 25% of the way through the season. Starting 9-13 in the NBA is like starting 2-2 in the NFL. It's.. really not that bad. It's only bad if you expected to go 4-0, which is what the Lakers did.

We all need to put the gun down, take the chamber out and slide it across the table. It's not even Christmas

[gilalizard]

Go to the root of the problem:

Fire Jim Buss.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

This team is going to be scary when and if Pau Gasol and Steve Nash get on the court.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

This team is going to be scary when and if Pau Gasol and Steve Nash get on the court.
So next year...

[Bandito]

Maybe just maybe is because the team just needs to develop some chemistry and to play better. Most of the key players are new and/or injured and that's why they're losing.

[Graviton]

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[NoGunzJustSkillz]

So next year...
Maybe they can squeak into the Play-offs fully healthy this year. Maybe grab Delonte West along the way.

[andremiller07]

Reconsider their goals and make there new goal to finish 3rd in the Pacific ahead of the Suns and Kings.

[Meticode]

I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy watching this fail. It really bothers me how the Lakers end up with all these players. I understand how people want to go to L.A. becuase of the winning ways, but damn...be original you know?

Also the how Dwight thing just makes it that much more funny. He bitched and moaned in Orlando and couldn't make up his mind. Now what? The Magic are 8-13 and the Lakers are 9-14. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stop turning the ball over.
Don't leave anybody open. You don't have to lock anyone down, just don't give up an open shot. How hard is it to just stay on your man?

[9erempiree]

they are a complete failure on defense.

Tonight I saw so many Knicks open and getting transition buckets.

It was horrible.

[Clutch]

Nothing. Just wait until everyone gets healthy. D'Antoni is a great coach,he'll make things right,he just needs some time.

Just kidding,D'Antoni is terrible and even when everyone gets healthy you'll suck.

[Gotterdammerung]

Jim Buss needs to go.
Have Jeannie run the team.

Jerry Buss should never have let his son Jim run the show. That was the first sign of the end of everything.

He was responsible for the hire of Mike Brown. A solid coach, but way in over his head for the job of managing superstars and high expectations. Jim Buss didn't pay attention to details like that, just the context-free statistics of Brown's winning percentage in Cleveland.

He hired some bartender to scout for the team. Got rid of every Phil Jackson holdovers, due to some failed Jerry Krause philosophy that organizations win titles. GM Kupchak also colluded with Buss in order to reap some credit his way. Hence the non-hiring of Jackson, the spurrious lies about his demands, and the hasty hire of Mike D'Antoni.

Solution is take the car keys away from the moron Jim Buss and send him to his room, and let his intelligent sister Jeanie take over.

The Lakers might return to the playoffs, but in all likelihood, they'll have to junk the season. :facepalm

[pnyozzzoo]

A penetrating PG who can shoot will solve half their problems. That will ease the load on Kobe, get easier shots for Dwight and cut the turnovers down.

The scary thing is that I don't think Nash is that PG...
Steve Nash + Pau Gasol + Dohun for Jeremy Lin + Patrick Patterson + Chandler Parsons

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Maybe they can squeak into the Play-offs fully healthy this year. Maybe grab Delonte West along the way.
That isn't what I'm saying. They could still easily make the play off's. I just don't think Nash will be back.

[9erempiree]

Nothing. Just wait until everyone gets healthy. D'Antoni is a great coach,he'll make things right,he just needs some time.

Just kidding,D'Antoni is terrible and even when everyone gets healthy you'll suck.
You sure?

Last year I was making fun of the Knicks for having D'antoni as coach.

Karma really got me....Lakers got him this year:facepalm

EDIT: lol...just saw that. I knew a Knicks fan would feel my pain.

[Sharmer]

Greater defensive intensity and better ball movement on offense.

[HardwoodLegend]

I wouldn't let tonight's game add to any worry.

This game probably would have been lost even if things were going better. The Knicks are that good.

[9erempiree]

I'm pretty much going to agree with all Knicks fan. During the Linsanity era, I was following their message board and the frustrations they had with D'antoni is the same the Lakers are having.

They have first hand knowledge of Mr. Doritos.

[The-Legend-24]

Fire D'Antoni, and hope Phil Jackson still wants to coach.

[IamRAMBO24]

Get rid of D'antonio and hire Jerry Sloan.

Who f*ckin' cares if he's a 3rd coach; you can't lose with Sloan: he can turn sewage water into koolaid. They need a legit coach right now. A leader. Kobe trying to be this leader just aint cutting it.

[9erempiree]

Get rid of D'antonio and hire Jerry Sloan.

Who f*ckin' cares if he's a 3rd coach; you can't lose with Sloan: he can turn sewage water into koolaid. They need a legit coach right now. A leader. Kobe trying to be this leader just aint cutting it.

Kobe can't do everything.

As the greatest player of all time, you can't expect him to turn a shit sandwich into a great sandwich by putting mustard on it.

[ihoopallday]

Move the Lakers to the Eastern conference. Everyone says the east is weak. Guess they'll have a chance here :confusedshrug:

[TheBigVeto]

Get rid of D'antonio and hire Jerry Sloan.

Who f*ckin' cares if he's a 3rd coach; you can't lose with Sloan: he can turn sewage water into koolaid. They need a legit coach right now. A leader. Kobe trying to be this leader just aint cutting it.

Jerry Sloan would've made them better - so I hope they don't reach out to him.

I'd rather have them reach out to PJax, hire him and continue this fiasco. That would be even better.

[Jolokia]

Trade Howard & Ebanks for Aaron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson, JJ Reddick, & Mo Harkless

[IamRAMBO24]

Kobe can't do everything.

As the greatest player of all time, you can't expect him to turn a shit sandwich into a great sandwich by putting mustard on it.

Kobe is the biggest cancer on the team.

As a leader, he needs to set his ego aside and get his teammates more involved. This is why I propose getting Sloan on board: the man has a legit record of turning every egotistical star into a team player, something Kobe absolutely has no clue of doing.

Stop sucking so much Kobe d*ck. His scoring is just as bad as Dwight's free throws: if you are scoring that much and your team still loses, maybe you should give up the ball and get your teammates more involved. Team chemistry wins games, not hero ball.

[9erempiree]

Kobe is the biggest cancer on the team.

As a leader, he needs to set his ego aside and get his teammates more involved. This is why I propose getting Sloan on board: the man has a legit record of turning every egotistical star into a team player, something Kobe absolutely has no clue of doing.

Stop sucking so much Kobe d*ck. His scoring is just as bad as Dwight's free throws: if you are scoring that much and your team still loses, maybe you should give up the ball and get your teammates more involved. Team chemistry wins games, not hero ball.
Let's go by your logic for one minute.

So next game, Kobe should just score 15 points and call it a night and not take a shot after that because the team will win?

He tried doing that in the playoffs and people said he sabotaged the game.

[BEAST Griffin]

Let's go by your logic for one minute.

So next game, Kobe should just score 15 points and call it a night and not take a shot after that because the team will win?

He tried doing that in the playoffs and people said he sabotaged the game.

Standing around doing nothing is not getting your team involved. It's just standing around doing nothing.

[IamRAMBO24]

5tr
Let's go by your logic for one minute.

So next game, Kobe should just score 15 points and call it a night and not take a shot after that because the team will win?

He tried doing that in the playoffs and people said he sabotaged the game.

You suck so much Kobe d*ck it makes my mouth salty typing this.

Ball hoggers don't win games. MJ never won a championship until he started focusing his energy on other aspects of the game. Iverson was at his best when he stopped chucking up the ball, and same goes for Wilt when he started relying on West and other players around him.

Maybe Kobe needs to stop chucking so much and focus more on other essential elements of the game: defense, assist, rebounds, blocks, etc.

[9erempiree]

5tr

You suck so much Kobe d*ck it makes my mouth salty typing this.

Ball hoggers don't win games. MJ never won a championship until he started focusing his energy on other aspects of the game. Iverson was at his best when he stopped chucking up the ball, and same goes for Wilt when he started relying on West and other players around him.

Maybe Kobe needs to stop chucking so much and focus more on other essential elements of the game: defense, assist, rebounds, blocks, etc.


and you act like Kobe doesn't know what he's doing or that he doesn't know what it takes to win.

The man has won many championships...I am sure he knows more about what's going on than what you think.

Stop acting like he's never won and just learning how to win.:facepalm

[HardwoodLegend]

Kobe can't do everything.

As the greatest player of all time, you can't expect him to turn a shit sandwich into a great sandwich by putting mustard on it.

You said a while back that you had Kobe falling out of your Top 5, and now you're saying he's the GPOAT?

Or, are you saying that even Michael Jordan, the GPOAT, couldn't turn a shit sandwich into a great sandwich with mustard?

[Poetry]

Kobe can't do everything.

As the greatest player of all time, you can't expect him to turn a shit sandwich into a great sandwich by putting mustard on it.

Mustard? Mustard ain't gonna cut it, man.

You need some of this shit:

http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/6a0115709f071f970b017d3cba3f7b970c.jpg

[TheBigVeto]

5tr

You suck so much Kobe d*ck it makes my mouth salty typing this.

Ball hoggers don't win games. MJ never won a championship until he started focusing his energy on other aspects of the game. Iverson was at his best when he stopped chucking up the ball, and same goes for Wilt when he started relying on West and other players around him.

Maybe Kobe needs to stop chucking so much and focus more on other essential elements of the game: defense, assist, rebounds, blocks, etc.



Let it go man. That guy is a kobetard. The fact that he referred to Kobe as the greatest player of all time just means that his opinions are invalid.

[9erempiree]

Maybe Kobe needs to stop chucking so much and focus more on other essential elements of the game: defense, assist, rebounds, blocks, etc.


31 10 6 is not good enough?

What do you expect him to do more?

[RazorBaLade]

31 10 6 is not good enough?

What do you expect him to do more?

he needs to pass more and let the others score, let the points come from ebanks duhon etc in a team effort and instead focus on defending carmelo. If carmelo only goes 5-15 instead of 10-15 and kobe passes up about 15 shots to duhon and meeks who went 4-17 but needed some more shots to get it going then they would have won handidly

[IamRAMBO24]

It is what he is NOT doing that is the problem. Where is the defense .. the extra pass .. the team chemistry .. the hustle .. the motivation .. smart play ..

As the team leader who dictates the offense, he should be out there getting his teammates involved, hustling on defense, and if there is a huge hole in one aspect of the game, he should figure out what the problem is and try to fix it.

Usually this is the responsibility of the coach, but Kobe IS coach, President, and sex slave of the Laker's organization, so the blame should solely rest on him because team chemistry is the biggest problem of this team and this is his responsibility when he decided to punk Dwight and take this role. He asked for it, now he should take responsibility for it.

Scoring is less than 10% of being a leader. FACT.

[stevieming]

Lakers need some scoring outside of Kobe, go and pick up Chris Douglas Roberts....and cut one of the scrubs on the bench....

[9erempiree]

It is what he is NOT doing that is the problem. Where is the defense .. the extra pass .. the team chemistry .. the hustle .. the motivation .. smart play ..

As the team leader who dictates the offense, he should be out there getting his teammates involved, hustling on defense, and if there is a huge hole in one aspect of the game, he should figure out what the problem is and try to fix it.

Usually this is the responsibility of the coach, but Kobe IS coach, President, and sex slave of the Laker's organization, so the blame should solely rest on him because team chemistry is the biggest problem of this team and this is his responsibility when he decided to punk Dwight and take this role. He asked for it, now he should take responsibility for it.

Scoring is less than 10% of being a leader. FACT.

Please don't participate in any of my threads in the future.

:facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

Please don't participate in any of my threads in the future.

:facepalm

You're such a child.

Your team is losing and yet you won't take any criticism towards your team. What are you 5 years old ...

It is one thing if they are winning; sure you can defend them until the cows come home because guess what you have FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back up your claim, but when they are losing and you fail to accept any criticism, you are making yourself out as nothing more than a pathetic clown.

Grow up.

Even the biggest Laker whore (Magic Johnson) is calling them out; time to open your eyes and jump on the bandwagon you ignorant sl*t.

[webberz0044]

Kidnap the Phoenix Suns medical team and let them work their magic.

[All Net]

get healthly
get better depth/shooters.

[bluechox2]

trade for shooters

[Nashty]

Get Nash healthy and let him run the show.

[HardwoodLegend]

I still can't get over how spastic Kobe stans are.

You had him falling out of your Top 5 for the Lakers struggles and then flip a switch to call him "the greatest player ever".

:lol

[Teanett]

for now, they to downsize and play a slow grind-out style, as paradox as that sounds...

meeks-kobe-ebanks-metta-dwight

is their best line up. jameson should be moved, he is totally out of place.
he cant defend and doesnt stretch the floor.

i would try to move jameson for a keith bogans/ deshawn stevenson type defender/ tough-guy/ spot-up shooter.

run isos and post ups for kobe and dwight or even a p'n'r with them two and let the others spot up. be physical on d!

make it sort of the bad boy version of d'antoni's system.

:pimp:

[9erempiree]

for now, they to downsize and play a slow grind-out style, as paradox as that sounds...

meeks-kobe-ebanks-metta-dwight

is their best line up. jameson should be moved, he is totally out of place.
he cant defend and doesnt stretch the floor.

i would try to move jameson for a keith bogans/ deshawn stevenson type defender/ tough-guy/ spot-up shooter.

run isos and post ups for kobe and dwight or even a p'n'r with them two and let the others spot up. be physical on d!

make it sort of the bad boy version of d'antoni's system.

:pimp:

I agree with this.

[BlueandGold]

At this point honestly what can you do?

If anything I would ask that the Lakers front office be even more patient and don't make any hasty decisions/quick-trigger trades until they've seen this play out a full season with a healthy Nash and Gasol.. even with Phil an injured nash/gasol would have essentially be 25-40% of the roster depleted, 2 out of the 5 players on the starting roster and 2 hall of famers.

So yea.. for now.. nothing. As far as what the Lakers need though it's an identity and defensive philosophy.. something Mike D'antoni has provided nothing of.

[Rysio]

kobe to go off for 50 every night. these scrubs are pathetic.

[qrich]

Acquire someone that can be a leader on court.

[DuMa]

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[tmacattack33]

31 10 6 is not good enough?

What do you expect him to do more?

You forgot to mention he was 10-24.

And you forgot to mention the 5 turnovers, which, in his own words, are even worse than the usual turnovers because the Laker's transition defense is so bad.