The 10 year anniversary of the "changing of the gaurd" game Kobe 42pts in 1 half

[AlphaWolf24]

- In a little over 3 months it will be the 10 year anniversary of the Epic Changing of the gaurd game...I thought in preperation for the event we look back at that special night.

- Kobe Bryant with another game for the ages, dropping 42 points in the first half....vs Michael Jordans Wizards.

- points of interest, 30 points in a little over 17 minutes......Jordan starting out good until Kobe explodes sending MJ to the bench in utter disbelief. ( even he never saw this type of offensive game before)

- Stu Lance begging Kobe to - " STOP!...don't send MJ outta the staple center like this!"

- Stu lance once again screaming at Jordan and Doug Collins to " call a timeout...or call the fire marshal"

- Jordan screaming at Jerry Stackhouse to Switch on Kobe.....

- maybe if the game was closer...Kobe would have not ended with 55 points.....most likely 84 - 90pts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R1V11JdHCc

2002 - 2003 Kobe the best player once agin in the world.....it wasn't even close.

[9erempiree]

That was a fantastic game and I remember watching it.

There's another good video floating around where "Like Mike" is playing while MJ was making his shots and it comes to a halting screech....and Kobe just took off.

I will try to find it but I think a lot of MJ fans got that video deleted.

[lilgodfather1]

Who knew that the guard would change so soon after. Less than 6 years later, and LeBron was the best the league had to offer.

[stallionaire]

overrated game, nobody remembers it. Kobe is a scrub.

[AlphaWolf24]

Who knew that the guard would change so soon after. Less than 6 years later, and LeBron was the best the league had to offer.


6 years later Kobe was winning Championships again.....

10 years later Kobe is still a top 3 player in the NBA.....

[Young X]

2003 Kobe = :pimp: :bowdown:

[PyrrhusX]

Random comment: Why not post this in 3 months time? The thread is going to die and get buried soon anyway and then will be bumped when the time comes.

[Poetry]

- points of interest, 30 points in a little over 17 minutes......Jordan starting out good until Kobe explodes sending MJ to the bench in utter disbelief. ( even he never saw this type of offensive game before)

Great game by Kobe, but let's keep things in perspective:

24-year-old Kobe Bryant vs 40-year-old Michael Jordan.

Let's be honest, Kobe should consider himself fortunate that he didn't have to face off against 24-year-old MJ.

If an old, injured, cigar-smoking MJ was capable of dropping 23 on 50% from the field, against the recent, former world champs, imagine what he would have done in his youth.

[LONGTIME]

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[SCdac]

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2003 was a great season.

Changing of the guard alright :applause:

[Money 23]

2003 HGH Kobe ... for my money the best version of him as a player, ever.

Elite defense, added the 3 ball to his arsenal, strongest, quickest, most explosive version of Kobe.

He could just as easily take it the rim and finish with a thunderous dunk, as he could nail a 30 footer. This was Kobe before all the knee injuries.

[lilgodfather1]

6 years later Kobe was winning Championships again.....

10 years later Kobe is still a top 3 player in the NBA.....
Yep the Lakers were winning titles again six years later. 10 years later they're lotto bound.

[chocolatethunder]

If only you could spell

[Heilige]

2003 HGH Kobe ... for my money the best version of him as a player, ever.

Elite defense, added the 3 ball to his arsenal, strongest, quickest, most explosive version of Kobe.

He could just as easily take it the rim and finish with a thunderous dunk, as he could nail a 30 footer. This was Kobe before all the knee injuries.



I thought you said 2008 was the best version of Kobe since he didn't force it and didn't try any MJ imitation with regards to how he played....

[Money 23]

I thought you said 2008 was the best version of Kobe since he didn't force it and didn't try any MJ imitation with regards to how he played....
True.

It's difficult to pick. 2008 would be his best on the account of leadership and maturity.

2003 on an individual level is probably his best season.

[Cali Syndicate]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-youre-welcome.gif

So much Illuminati propaganda here

[Shaquille O'Neal]

http://www.projectgsx.com/pics/nba/spurs%20beat%20lakers/1_6-12-44-474_20030516155145.jpg

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2003 was a great season.

Changing of the guard alright :applause:

:roll::oldlol::lol Kobe's lazy eye is actually tear-filled here.

Wasn't it right after this loss when Kobe raped that girl and lost all of his sponsors?:facepalm

[Nick Young]

MJ crying and shook on the bench, retired a few months later after Kobe destroyed him like no other player ever has.:bowdown:

[Nevaeh]

2003 HGH Kobe ... for my money the best version of him as a player, ever.

Elite defense, added the 3 ball to his arsenal, strongest, quickest, most explosive version of Kobe.

He could just as easily take it the rim and finish with a thunderous dunk, as he could nail a 30 footer. This was Kobe before all the knee injuries.

Best part was watching him choke that year.

:applause:

I mean really, bragging about anything that Kobe did against Wizards MJ is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" material to me. Even MJ himself didn't care as much, considering he could have done the "Ring Chase" thing, but chose not to.

[Nick Young]

Best part was watching him choke that year.

:applause:

I mean really, bragging about anything that Kobe did against Wizards MJ is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" material to me. Even MJ himself didn't care as much, considering he could have done the "Ring Chase" thing, but chose not to.
Man, I felt what it must have been like for you as a suns fan to have to watch Nash and Amare choke year after year. Too bad you didn't have 3 titles recently won by Nash to fall back on:cry:

[Ne 1]

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2003 was a great season.

Changing of the guard alright :applause:


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Kobe, the Spurs killer. :applause:

[Rysio]

i remember jordan wanted to play 2-3 more years after 03 but kobe retired his ass that very season. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ralph_i_el]

6 years later Kobe was winning Championships again.....

10 years later Kobe is still a top 3 player in the NBA.....


sorry if you're a top 3 player your team won't have a losing record

[AlphaWolf24]

sorry if you're a top 3 player your team won't have a losing record


even If Kobe has a losing record this year....only his 2nd one in 17 years....Jordan had 5 Losing season in 15 years..

1/3rd of his career...MJ had a losing record.



you opened the door ...

[AlphaWolf24]

Great game by Kobe, but let's keep things in perspective:

24-year-old Kobe Bryant vs 40-year-old Michael Jordan.

Let's be honest, Kobe should consider himself fortunate that he didn't have to face off against 24-year-old MJ.

If an old, injured, cigar-smoking MJ was capable of dropping 23 on 50% from the field, against the recent, former world champs, imagine what he would have done in his youth.


- Jordan s fortunate he played the watered down 90's vs 6'2" John (rocery bagger) Starks...and Craig Ehlo..

- 39 year old Jordan (the same age as Grant Hill and Jason Kidd) after taking multiple years off to rest throughout his career could never hang with 24year old Kobe....as seen in the video...

but heck...Jordan couldnt even guard teenage Kobe either..so your point is moot.




next

[STATUTORY]

- Jordan s fortunate he played the watered down 90's vs 6'2" John (rocery bagger) Starks...and Craig Ehlo..

- 39 year old Jordan (the same age as Grant Hill and Jason Kidd) after taking multiple years off to rest throughout his career could never hang with 24year old Kobe....as seen in the video...

but heck...Jordan couldnt even guard teenage Kobe either..so your point is moot.




next

Jordan wouldn't have been nearly as dominant if Len Bias got to play in the league, or if Penny and Grant hill weren't injury plagued

MJ dominated a weak era of midget white guards

an adolescent Kobe lit up MJ so bad that Phil sat Kobe cause he felt sorry for his former player.

[AlphaWolf24]

Jordan wouldn't have been nearly as dominant if Len Bias got to play in the league, or if Penny and Grant hill weren't injury plagued

MJ dominated a weak era of midget white guards

an adolescent Kobe lit up MJ so bad that Phil sat Kobe cause he felt sorry for his former player.


- With the League adding 6 teams between te lat 80's and early 90's.....without the developed international talent we have today....

- It simply watere down the league for the majority of the early - mid 90's.

- Too add all the highschool players and lackof international talent....90's basketball was A) Horrible to watch with hackball poor shooting everywhere ...and B) Bird , Dr.J and Magic all said what I'm saying now.....t league was watered down with no great teams.

[staywhite]

Insecurity is a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving of oneself to be vulnerable in some way, or a sense of vulnerability or instability which threatens one's self-image or ego.

:no:

Jordan > Kobe

[Money 23]

Jordan wouldn't have been nearly as dominant if Len Bias got to play in the league, or if Penny and Grant Hill weren't injury plagued
Bias definitely would've been to MJ what LeBron is to Kobe. Reggie Lewis would've been to MJ what Tmac was to Kobe, too. Just didn't happen. Tragic.

90's MJ / Pip Chicago Bulls v.s. 90's Bias / Lewis Boston Celtics would've been something to behold in a seven game series.

Oh, and Penny and Hill didn't get plagued w/ injuries until MJ was done. So don't be making up stuff to support your Kobe kock sucking agenda.

MJ dominated and sodomized on national tv in the Finals, the next best player at his position (Drexler) who was basically to MJ what Wade is to Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

Insecurity is a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving of oneself to be vulnerable in some way, or a sense of vulnerability or instability which threatens one's self-image or ego.

:no:

Jordan > Kobe


- Ho please.....save your sidewalk physchology...

- MuF@ka dropped 42 in 1half and sent MJ to the bench crying...

- Go watch MJ's HOF speech again......he started crying when Doug Collins stood up....prolly had a flashback of the "changing of the gaurd game" ( when Collins stood up to put MJ on the bench)

[STATUTORY]

Bias definitely would've been to MJ what LeBron is to Kobe. Reggie Lewis would've been to MJ what Tmac was to Kobe, too. Just didn't happen. Tragic.

90's MJ / Pip Chicago Bulls v.s. 90's Bias / Lewis Boston Celtics would've been something to behold in a seven game series.

Oh, and Penny and Hill didn't get plagued w/ injuries until MJ was done. So don't be making up stuff to support your Kobe kock sucking agenda.

MJ dominated and sodomized on national tv in the Finals, the next best player at his position (Drexler) who was basically to MJ what Wade is to Kobe.
MJ coincidentally retired the year that Penny was breaking out.

1994-1995, peak Penny would have embarrassed MJ and shattered that Nike hype. Lucky for MJ that he was playing softball that season. Penny started falling off shortly after that tho

when your most famed rival is CLyde you know you played in a sorry era. Clyde couldn't even go left.

[AlphaWolf24]

Bias definitely would've been to MJ what LeBron is to Kobe. Reggie Lewis would've been to MJ what Tmac was to Kobe, too. Just didn't happen. Tragic.

90's MJ / Pip Chicago Bulls v.s. 90's Bias / Lewis Boston Celtics would've been something to behold in a seven game series.

Oh, and Penny and Hill didn't get plagued w/ injuries until MJ was done. So don't be making up stuff to support your Kobe kock sucking agenda.

MJ dominated and sodomized on national tv in the Finals, the next best player at his position (Drexler) who was basically to MJ what Wade is to Kobe.


Ecept Wade is a far better player...and can actally Dribble without looking down at the ball....unlike Drexler.

[Money 23]

Ecept Wade is a far better player...and can actally Dribble without looking down at the ball....unlike Drexler.
Not disagreeing. Wade is better.

Drexler was still quite the player. To be fair, Wade can dribble, but Clyde could shoot and board better.


MJ coincidentally retired the year that Penny was breaking out.

1994-1995, peak Penny would have embarrassed MJ and shattered that Nike hype.
LOL dude retired when Penny was a rookie. SMH @ "breaking out" as if to avoid him. Competition against Penny and Hill is one of the reasons he was motivated to come back.

MJ faced Penny in '95, '96, and '97 ... Penny's best years pre injury and still out played him. The fukk are you smoking, kid ?

Swept dat ass in '96, with a prime Shaq too.

Drexler wasn't his only comp. MJ also bent Magic and the Lakers over in the Finals w/ the backdoor sweep the year prior.

:oldlol:

[tomtucker]

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[hitmanyr2k]

- Jordan s fortunate he played the watered down 90's vs 6'2" John (rocery bagger) Starks...and Craig Ehlo..

- 39 year old Jordan (the same age as Grant Hill and Jason Kidd) after taking multiple years off to rest throughout his career could never hang with 24year old Kobe....as seen in the video...

but heck...Jordan couldnt even guard teenage Kobe either..so your point is moot.


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And Kobe couldn't handle 40 year old "bad knees" MJ either. He was trying his hardest on defense too :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4

[SCdac]

Kobe, the Spurs killer. :applause:

Not in 2003, the year of the "changing of the guard" according to OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg

[Nick Young]

- Ho please.....save your sidewalk physchology...

- MuF@ka dropped 42 in 1half and sent MJ to the bench crying...

- Go watch MJ's HOF speech again......he started crying when Doug Collins stood up....prolly had a flashback of the "changing of the gaurd game" ( when Collins stood up to put MJ on the bench)
:rockon:

[AlphaWolf24]

Not in 2003, the year of the "changing of the guard" according to OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg


- "Vrrroooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm"...this thread went way over your head...

- I meant between this era's current greatest player vs the past era's greatest player...

[tomtucker]

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[AlphaWolf24]

And Kobe couldn't handle 40 year old "bad knees" MJ either. He was trying his hardest on defense too :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4


Kobe was guarding 39 year old MJ......Stackhouse was guarding Kobe:lol

teenage Kobe merks Prime MJ's Bull's.....MJ yelling at Pippen to gaurd Kobe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC5sW1Xnj3g

[STATUTORY]

Not in 2003, the year of the "changing of the guard" according to OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg

we are talking about stars and superstars in this thread

wut does the spurs have to do with that topic? least popular franchise of the last decade. almost single handly set NBA back to tape delay with their performances in the early 2000s

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ coincidentally retired the year that Penny was breaking out.

1994-1995, peak Penny would have embarrassed MJ and shattered that Nike hype. Lucky for MJ that he was playing softball that season. Penny started falling off shortly after that tho

when your most famed rival is CLyde you know you played in a sorry era. Clyde couldn't even go left.

That's funny. Kobe in the 2000 finals, averaged 15.6 ppg on a HORRIBLE 37% shooting. Roleplayer stats. Shut down and outplayed by Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose.

Kobe was playing at the same level as Austin Croshere in the 2000 finals! LMAO. :oldlol:

[SCdac]

- "Vrrroooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm"...this thread went way over your head...

- I meant between this era's current greatest player vs the past era's greatest player...


we are talking about stars and superstars in this thread

wut does the spurs have to do with that topic? least popular franchise of the last decade. almost single handly set NBA back to tape delay with their performances in the early 2000s

No shit sherlocks.

It's just hilarious how enfatuated Kobe stans are with Kobe and not the Los Angeles Lakers.

Propping up his game against an old Jordan in a season where his TEAM crumbled in the second round. :oldlol:

[FKAri]

This Stu Lance is annoying. To this day.

[Shepseskaf]

This is an all-time hyperbole thread -- on both sides.

[funnystuff]

As much as Alpha tries to look intelligent, his grammar and point of views are utterly retarded.


MJ was 40. <----------------------

[Poetry]

Jordan had 5 Losing season in 15 years.

I count 3 that could be attributed to him fairly. Maybe 4 if you want to count the 60 game season.

1984-85 38-44
1985-86 9-9 (played 18 games, .500 record) 30-30 (played 60 games, .500 record)
2002-03 37-45

[White Mamba]

this was a great performance

MJ didn't play bad either, 17 points by halftime.

Kobe is the closest thing to MJ.

:cheers:

[Money 23]

As much as Alpha tries to look intelligent, his grammar and point of views are utterly retarded.
Nah. Alpha is hilarious. He purposely tries to look stupid with his grammar, quirks, and quips.

You can tell he's actually pretty smart, just playing dumb sometimes. In Kobe or the Lakers case, he's just a fan. So agenda is justifiable in his eyes.

I think he's one of the more entertaining people on these boards. He knows deep down that MJ is better.

[SwayDizzle]

Nah. Alpha is hilarious. He purposely tries to look stupid with his grammar, quirks, and quips.

You can tell he's actually pretty smart, just playing dumb sometimes. In Kobe or the Lakers case, he's just a fan. So agenda is justifiable in his eyes.

I think he's one of the more entertaining people on these boards. He knows deep down that MJ is better.
Depends what you mean by better. Better overall player? Yes, MJ Better scoring machine? No, Kobe

[Money 23]

Depends what you mean by better. Better overall player? Yes, MJ Better scoring machine? No, Kobe
MJ is better at both. Career 30 ppg average, to Kobe's 25 ppg average? 5 ppg is a whopping difference. I think Kobe in his prime was a more explosive scorer when hot, given he'd chuck insane amount of 3 balls. But as a consistent scorer, MJ is easily better. Plus, he was the superior playoff / Finals scorer, when the game is slower and more tightly defended. But we was talking about Alpha, not your opinion.

[Profound]

I hate the agenda in this thread but it makes me realize in a few years we won't be seeing Kg,Duncan,Kidd,Kobe,Nash, Dirk. There are a few promising players but not all of them like these guys.

[AlphaWolf24]

That's funny. Kobe in the 2000 finals, averaged 15.6 ppg on a HORRIBLE 37% shooting. Roleplayer stats. Shut down and outplayed by Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose.

Kobe was playing at the same level as Austin Croshere in the 2000 finals! LMAO. :oldlol:

- In 2000 ...21 year old Kobe lead the Lakers past Portland.....Fueling peraps the greatest Comeback in playoff history.


- Jordan at 21 was barely good enugh to play on the big boy court.

[AlphaWolf24]

As much as Alpha tries to look intelligent, his grammar and point of views are utterly retarded.


MJ was 40. <----------------------


(uses grammEr to slight ther posters)

I'll take that as waiving the white flag....

Ma IR Touch keyboard s jacke anywas.....sorry 4 the mistypes.

[Legends66NBA7]

:roll::oldlol::lol Kobe's lazy eye is actually tear-filled here.

Wasn't it right after this loss when Kobe raped that girl and lost all of his sponsors?:facepalm

Not that I care much about this game anymore (though it was great for Kobe), what are you laughing about Shaq ?

You're in the picture and were part of that beat down too, you know. :confusedshrug:


Propping up his game against an old Jordan in a season where his TEAM crumbled in the second round. :oldlol:

The same team that was attempting to go for a 4-peat. It was clear that team ran out of gas.

Spurs haven't beaten the Lakers in series since that time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

- In 2000 ...21 year old Kobe lead the Lakers past Portland.....Fueling peraps the greatest Comeback in playoff history.


- Jordan at 21 was barely good enugh to play on the big boy court.

Meh. Jordan had 5 finals MVPs by 34.

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[AlphaWolf24]

Meh. Jordan had 5 finals MVPs by 34.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7O4pFpkIxxg/UIsXJ5fCOYI/AAAAAAAABgQ/_KUQ0zJituA/s1600/Ketchup_Time+copy.jpg


Kobe got more all NBA / all nba defensive teams and more allstar game MVP's.....:confusedshrug:


yeah I know

[Bandito]

Great game by Kobe, but let's keep things in perspective:

24-year-old Kobe Bryant vs 40-year-old Michael Jordan.

Let's be honest, Kobe should consider himself fortunate that he didn't have to face off against 24-year-old MJ.

If an old, injured, cigar-smoking MJ was capable of dropping 23 on 50% from the field, against the recent, former world champs, imagine what he would have done in his youth.
Fortunate? He probably cries himself to sleep not being able to prove once and for all who was the best in the end. Kobe main goal is to make everyone think he was the best and to be a legend in the game. Is just that he lived in MJ shadow his whole career. MJ was the best no doubt about that, but Kobe is not a scrub at all.

I think in a 1 on 1 it would be interesting to see who would win in the end.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

(uses grammEr to slight ther posters)

I'll take that as waiving the white flag....

Ma IR Touch keyboard s jacke anywas.....sorry 4 the mistypes.

:roll:No, it's really spelled grammar.:facepalm

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Kobe got more all NBA / all nba defensive teams and more allstar game MVP's.....:confusedshrug:


yeah I know

Ahh, another longevity award.

Care to comment on the true facts based on both complete careers?

Too bad Kobe has played 114 more games than Jordan is still not even close to him in any statistical category.

Jordan = 1072 career games
Kobe = 1186 games

MJ = 30.1 PPG, .497 FG%, 893 blocks, 2514 steals, 5633 assists, 6,672 rebounds, 32,292 points.

KB = 25.5 PPG, .454 FG%, 599 blocks, 1762 steals, 5542 assists, 6,272 rebounds, 30,222 points.

6 rings / 6 FMVP, 10 scoring titles (vs 2), 5 MVP's (vs 1), DPOY, Collegiate national champion, 4 gold medals.

All done without a dominant big man either. :roll::oldlol::lol:banana:

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.

[STATUTORY]

Ahh, another longevity award.

Care to comment on the true facts based on both complete careers?

Too bad Kobe has played 114 more games than Jordan is still not even close to him in any statistical category.

Jordan = 1072 career games
Kobe = 1186 games

MJ = 30.1 PPG, .497 FG%, 893 blocks, 2514 steals, 5633 assists, 6,672 rebounds, 32,292 points.

KB = 25.5 PPG, .454 FG%, 599 blocks, 1762 steals, 5542 assists, 6,272 rebounds, 30,222 points.

6 rings / 6 FMVP, 10 scoring titles (vs 2), 5 MVP's (vs 1), DPOY, Collegiate national champion, 4 gold medals.

All done without a dominant big man either. :roll::oldlol::lol:banana:

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.

:facepalm y don't we average in Jordan's stats from when he was 17 and 18 too

or should Kobe be penalized for being more developed than Jordan at a younger age :rolleyes:

[AlphaWolf24]

:roll:No, it's really spelled grammar.:facepalm



vrrrrroooooom! right over your head.....



I meant to ...

[TheMan]

- In a little over 3 months it will be the 10 year anniversary of the Epic Changing of the gaurd game...I thought in preperation for the event we look back at that special night.

- Kobe Bryant with another game for the ages, dropping 42 points in the first half....vs Michael Jordans Wizards.

- points of interest, 30 points in a little over 17 minutes......Jordan starting out good until Kobe explodes sending MJ to the bench in utter disbelief. ( even he never saw this type of offensive game before)

- Stu Lance begging Kobe to - " STOP!...don't send MJ outta the staple center like this!"

- Stu lance once again screaming at Jordan and Doug Collins to " call a timeout...or call the fire marshal"

- Jordan screaming at Jerry Stackhouse to Switch on Kobe.....

- maybe if the game was closer...Kobe would have not ended with 55 points.....most likely 84 - 90pts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R1V11JdHCc

2002 - 2003 Kobe the best player once agin in the world.....it wasn't even close.
If a 24 year old player in his sixth year in the league can't out perform a 40 year old player a shell of his former self, well I don't know what to say to you.:no: ...congrats, I guess.

Prime MJ>prime Kobe and it's not close.

Unfortunately, Kobe passed the torch to LBJ a few short years later...

[AlphaWolf24]

If a 24 year old player in his sixth year in the league can't out perform a 40 year old player a shell of his former self, well I don't know what to say to you.:no: ...congrats, I guess.

Prime MJ>prime Kobe and it's not close.

Unfortunately, Kobe passed the torch to LBJ a few short years later...


based on what?....not history.

- teenage Kobe barely playing 20 minutes was playing great agianst prime MJ....97' - 98' Jordan couldn't even really slow down highschool Kobe at all...

- pre prime Kobe dropped a double Nickel on Jordan in MJ's 15th season.....and considering MJ took 1 1/2 years off in the middle of his career...and another 2 years off before 02' season......MJ's Game age was around 34 - 35.......Just look at MJ dropping 40 points in 02' and 03'.....he was still playing good.

- Prime Kobe would sh!t on Prime MJ....Kobe's game was far more well roundd then Jordan's was.....Jordan was better finisher...Kobe was better at everthing else.

- making Jordan cry on the bench.......deal wit it.

[KG215]

based on what?....not history.

- teenage Kobe barely playing 20 minutes was playing great agianst prime MJ....97' - 98' Jordan couldn't even really slow down highschool Kobe at all...

- pre prime Kobe dropped a double Nickel on Jordan in MJ's 15th season.....and considering MJ took 1 1/2 years off in the middle of his career...and another 2 years off before 02' season......MJ's Game age was around 34 - 35.......Just look at MJ dropping 40 points in 02' and 03'.....he was still playing good.

- Prime Kobe would sh!t on Prime MJ....Kobe's game was far more well roundd then Jordan's was.....Jordan was better finisher...Kobe was better at everthing else.

- making Jordan cry on the bench.......deal wit it.
The bold is something I've seen Kobe stans saying lately and it's beyond ignorant. Don't get me wrong, the rest of this post is incredibly stupid, but the bold is just....

:facepalm

[Nick Young]

MJ was just shook beyond belief, shedding tears on the bench with his head held low staring at his shoes in disgrace.

It was Kobe destroying him in the all star game (kobe swatted the shit out of MJ on national TV) that directly lead to MJ's retirement a few months later.

[TheMan]

I know you Kobe fanboys are full of shit and really don't believe the crap y'all spewing. I hardly ever see Kobe fans putting him above MJ is GOAT lists. MJ is usually #1 or at the very least in the top 2 spots in 99% of posters here. I never see Kobe at #1 and if he is, everyone else laughs at that poster.

Kobe is a great player, I've never said he wasn't but he is by most accounts at around the 7-10 spot range. Only you guys would put Kobe ahead of MJ in troll threads like these but we know you guys are just being trolls.

Anyways, that's my last post in this thread, continue with the circle jerk, Kobe fanboys:applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

I know you Kobe fanboys are full of shit and really don't believe the crap y'all spewing. I hardly ever see Kobe fans putting him above MJ is GOAT lists. MJ is usually #1 or at the very least in the top 2 spots in 99% of posters here. I never see Kobe at #1 and if he is, everyone else laughs at that poster.

Kobe is a great player, I've never said he wasn't but he is by most accounts at around the 7-10 spot range. Only you guys would put Kobe ahead of MJ in troll threads like these but we know you guys are just being trolls.

Anyways, that's my last post in this thread, continue with the circle jerk, Kobe fanboys:applause:


Horsesh!t....now you are just getting yo jimmies rustled..

- #4 - #7 is where Kobe should rank....and by most accounts and over 90% of the Basketball fanbase has him....

- anything below #7 alltime is just blind hatred.....and shouldn't even be listened to.

- next

[KG215]

Horsesh!t....now you are just getting yo jimmies rustled..

- #4 - #7 is where Kobe should rank....and by most accounts and over 90% of the Basketball fanbase has him....

- anything below #7 alltime is just blind hatred.....and shouldn't even be listened to.

- next
Prove it.

[AlphaWolf24]

Prove it.


thousands upon thousands of fans voted Kobe the greatest player of the decade.....only 2 players can be viewed as better then Kobe in the 50's and 60's....Russell and Chamberlain....but we know Russell aint better then Kobe at basketball....(same reason he aint better then MJ)....no player in the 70's can be viewed as honestly better then Kobe.....only 2 players in the 80's have a debate...Magic or Bird...I watched Bird's whole career..... no way Bird is better then Kobe....90's?? .....only MJ could be seen as better.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340253-kobe-bryant-player-of-the-decade-in-the-nba


- 5th alltime scorer in NBA History ( and climbing fast)

- tied for 5th alltime for most Final MVP's

- 3rd alltime in NBA Playoff's points

- 6th alltime in NBA Finals appearences

- 2nd alltime for most all star selections

- #1 alltime ( tied with MJ , GP and KG) for most all defensive 1rst team selections

- 2nd alltime for most all NBA team selections

- Voted the greatest player of the 2000's by the majority of the basketball community...(this is non debatable)

-easily a top 5 - 7 player alltime.....and will go down as the NBA'a alltime leading scorer and tied for first place as most 1rst all defense selections...

so basically the greatest scorer ever and the greatest consistent defender of alltime.

of course I didn't prove anything....you can't prove these type of discussions......all that will hold weight is how most people view his career when he retires......like I said....#1alltime scoring record and #1 alltime 1rst team defender...:confusedshrug:


(reads my own post)...damn I'm good! :banana: :banana: :banana:

looks more and more like a top 3 - 5 player erydey....

[KG215]

thousands upon thousands of fans voted Kobe the greatest player of the decade.....only 2 players can be viewed as better then Kobe in the 50's and 60's....Russell and Chamberlain....but we know Russell aint better then Kobe at basketball....(same reason he aint better then MJ)....no player in the 70's can be viewed as honestly better then Kobe.....only 2 players in the 80's have a debate...Magic or Bird...I watched Bird's whole career..... no way Bird is better then Kobe....90's?? .....only MJ could be seen as better.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340253-kobe-bryant-player-of-the-decade-in-the-nba


- 5th alltime scorer in NBA History ( and climbing fast)

- tied for 5th alltime for most Final MVP's

- 3rd alltime in NBA Playoff's points

- 6th alltime in NBA Finals appearences

- 2nd alltime for most all star selections

- #1 alltime ( tied with MJ , GP and KG) for most all defensive 1rst team selections

- 2nd alltime for most all NBA team selections

- Voted the greatest player of the 2000's by the majority of the basketball community...(this is non debatable)

-easily a top 5 - 7 player alltime.....and will go down as the NBA'a alltime leading scorer and tied for first place as most 1rst all defense selections...

so basically the greatest scorer ever and the greatest consistent defender of alltime.

of course I didn't prove anything....you can't prove these type of discussions......all that will hold weight is how most people view his career when he retires......like I said....#1alltime scoring record and #1 alltime 1rst team defender...:confusedshrug:


(reads my own post)...damn I'm good! :banana: :banana: :banana:

looks more and more like a top 3 - 5 player erydey....
Right. A Bleacher Report fan poll and your opinion.

That doesn't prove "90% of the basketball fanbase ranks Kobe #4-#7 all-time."

But good try.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Currently leading the most stacked team in the league to a sub 500 record at the same age that Jordan was winning Finals MVPs and leading his team to record setting seasons. That overrated piece of sh*t can't even hold a candle to peers like Tim Duncan and Shaq let alone Jordan. Got swept in 2011 despite being the overwhelming favorites over the Mavericks. Single-handedly choked his team out of the 2012 playoffs against OKC. Chucked his team out of the 2004 Finals. Quit on his team in Game 7 in 2006. Record setting loss(40 points :roll:) in Game 6 of 2008 as well as choking a 24 point lead at home in that same series. Bailed out by Pau Gasol and Ron Artest after disappearing in Game 7 of the 2010 Finals. Got carried to his first 3 rings riding arguably the most dominant force in NBA history. Top 10 player my @$$.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/jordanpippenlaugh.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/25tj8g7.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/20ja7n.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/jordanmagic.jpg

[chazzy]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/20ja7n.jpg

Winning 2 titles instead of 3 is supposed to be some big diss now? Before it was "Kobe can't win without Shaq," now it's "Haaaa, Kobe can't 3PEAT without Shaq?" :oldlol:

[swag2011]

Currently leading the most stacked team in the league to a sub 500 record at the same age that Jordan was winning Finals MVPs and leading his team to record setting seasons. That overrated piece of sh*t can't even hold a candle to peers like Tim Duncan and Shaq let alone Jordan. Got swept in 2011 despite being the overwhelming favorites over the Mavericks. Single-handedly choked his team out of the 2012 playoffs against OKC. Chucked his team out of the 2004 Finals. Quit on his team in Game 7 in 2006. Record setting loss(40 points :roll:) in Game 6 of 2008 as well as choking a 24 point lead at home in that same series. Bailed out by Pau Gasol and Ron Artest after disappearing in Game 7 of the 2010 Finals. Got carried to his first 3 rings riding arguably the most dominant force in NBA history. Top 10 player my @$$.




lol this bitch mad. I see you're a raptors fan, still mad about them 81 points Kobe dropped on yall.

And with all this you said, he still has 5 rings bitch, 30k points, and STILL regarded as a top 10 player of all time. minimum.

[alleykat]

nahhhh......

lead your team to 2 championships and be an apprentice for the first 3 and all of a sudden you're better than the man who led his team to 6??

nahhhh.......these threads are always fun

[alleykat]

thousands upon thousands of fans voted Kobe the greatest player of the decade.....only 2 players can be viewed as better then Kobe in the 50's and 60's....Russell and Chamberlain....but we know Russell aint better then Kobe at basketball....(same reason he aint better then MJ)....no player in the 70's can be viewed as honestly better then Kobe.....only 2 players in the 80's have a debate...Magic or Bird...I watched Bird's whole career..... no way Bird is better then Kobe....90's?? .....only MJ could be seen as better.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340253-kobe-bryant-player-of-the-decade-in-the-nba


- 5th alltime scorer in NBA History ( and climbing fast)

- tied for 5th alltime for most Final MVP's

- 3rd alltime in NBA Playoff's points

- 6th alltime in NBA Finals appearences

- 2nd alltime for most all star selections

- #1 alltime ( tied with MJ , GP and KG) for most all defensive 1rst team selections

- 2nd alltime for most all NBA team selections

- Voted the greatest player of the 2000's by the majority of the basketball community...(this is non debatable)

-easily a top 5 - 7 player alltime.....and will go down as the NBA'a alltime leading scorer and tied for first place as most 1rst all defense selections...

so basically the greatest scorer ever and the greatest consistent defender of alltime.

of course I didn't prove anything....you can't prove these type of discussions......all that will hold weight is how most people view his career when he retires......like I said....#1alltime scoring record and #1 alltime 1rst team defender...:confusedshrug:


(reads my own post)...damn I'm good! :banana: :banana: :banana:

looks more and more like a top 3 - 5 player erydey....

wait how is he the greatest of anything when he isn't the #1 in anything? you said he was tied for #1 in defensive selections? that means a tie....
he's not #1 in anything u mentioned

plus you found this on bleacher report? do you go on worldstarhiphop for you daily news?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

thousands upon thousands of fans voted Kobe the greatest blah blah blah....

All of those awards are from 3 factors.

1. No major injuries.
2. Played with Shaq from 1996-2004 (8 years).
3. Longevity.

Period. That's it. Don't make me post how far behind he is MJ even giving Kobe 116 more career games.:roll:

[KOBE143]

Jordan looked pathetic.. You can almost see tears in his eyes.. Maybe Jordan wish he didnt played this game and return from retirement the 2nd time around.. This game was the most embarrassing moment in Jordan NBA career.. This game alone will put most people in doubt of him as the GOAT..

If people watched the entire game seriously, you can see Jordan was trying his best and almost playing the best defense in his career that time and Kobe still score 55 pts in his face easily.. Even tho I'm a Kobe fan (for those who didnt know), I still feel pity for MJ and wish Kobe didn't embarrassed him like this.. This game will show people who is the more superior player among these two legend and Kobe came up the better player by far..

It quite sad to think that this was only Jordan 14th season..

[SAKOTXA]

Jordan looked pathetic.. You can almost see tears in his eyes.. Maybe Jordan wish he didnt played this game and return from retirement the 2nd time around.. This game was the most embarrassing moment in Jordan NBA career.. This game alone will put most people in doubt of him as the GOAT..

If people watched the entire game seriously, you can see Jordan was trying his best and almost playing the best defense in his career that time and Kobe still score 55 pts in his face easily.. Even tho I'm a Kobe fan (for those who didnt know), I still feel pity for MJ and wish Kobe didn't embarrassed him like this.. This game will show people who is the more superior player among these two legend and Kobe came up the better player by far..

It quite sad to think that this was only Jordan 14th season..
Jordan was 40 years old and he didn't guard Kobe for even one single possession. What the **** are you talking about?

[poido123]

Winning 2 titles instead of 3 is supposed to be some big diss now? Before it was "Kobe can't win without Shaq," now it's "Haaaa, Kobe can't 3PEAT without Shaq?" :oldlol:

You're picking off small battles don't you think? You ignore the whole post, but pick out one opening. :facepalm: Pretty much owned anything KObe has on Jordan, which is very little :lol:

[poido123]

Kobe got more all NBA / all nba defensive teams and more allstar game MVP's.....:confusedshrug:


yeah I know

...

[chazzy]

You're picking off small battles don't you think? You ignore the whole post, but pick out one opening. :facepalm: Pretty much owned anything KObe has on Jordan, which is very little :lol:
Not arguing those two, just thought that one pic was funny

[poido123]

Here's a list of the most pathetic Kobe fans:

Alphapoof

Kobe143

fatal9 (havent seen him for a while, probably has multiple accounts)

Missed anyone??

Oh yeah,

Longtimelurker

Heavensent

jacks3

Keneth Griffin (however he gave up and proclaimed Kobe to be overrated)

Im sure there is more, but these one's stick out the most..

Alphapoof, jacks3, kobe143 being the most annoying Kobe fools by far...

[Boston C's]

Jordan looked pathetic.. You can almost see tears in his eyes.. Maybe Jordan wish he didnt played this game and return from retirement the 2nd time around.. This game was the most embarrassing moment in Jordan NBA career.. This game alone will put most people in doubt of him as the GOAT..

If people watched the entire game seriously, you can see Jordan was trying his best and almost playing the best defense in his career that time and Kobe still score 55 pts in his face easily.. Even tho I'm a Kobe fan (for those who didnt know), I still feel pity for MJ and wish Kobe didn't embarrassed him like this.. This game will show people who is the more superior player among these two legend and Kobe came up the better player by far..

It quite sad to think that this was only Jordan 14th season..

Jordan didn't guard kobe this game...kobe is barely in the top 20 all time...he got carried to 3 rings by shaq and his fourth ring pau was the true finals mvp...chuckbe always chucks his team out of games and his teammates bail him out..only chuckbe can lose the biggest lead in finals history quit on his team in game 6 and lose by 40 in a game 6 of the nba finals...kobe also lost the championship for the lakers in 2004, with all these negatives you could maybe argue him for top 20, lebron has already surpassed him because hes way better then kobe

I dont believe a word I said, just trolling this dude like he trolls everyone on here

[poido123]

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
2 Olympic gold medals

[Magic 32]

- points of interest, 30 points in a little over 17 minutes......Jordan starting out good until Kobe explodes sending MJ to the bench in utter disbelief. ( even he never saw this type of offensive game before)


He didn't score 30 points in 17 min.

He scored 33 points in 9.57 min.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200303280LAL.html

[poido123]

He didn't score 30 points in 17 min.

He scored 33 points in 9.57 min.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200303280LAL.html

Starting from the 7 minute point in the first til 7 minute point in the 2nd quarter Kobe has 28 points in 12 minutes? Or are you trying to add in the extra 5 points that were scored over the next 2 minutes...

[Magic 32]

Starting from the 7 minute point in the first til 7 minute point in the 2nd quarter Kobe has 28 points in 12 minutes? Or are you trying to add in the extra 5 points that were scored over the next 2 minutes...


2:42.0 22-17 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot at rim
2:00.0 4-20 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
1:27.0 24-22 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
0:33.5 26-24 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot at rim
0:00.4 28-27 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
2nd Quarter
11:47.0 28-29 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 22 ft
11:24.0 28-32 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
10:06.0 33-35 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
9:00.0 35-38 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
6:16.0 39-43 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
6:16.0 39-44 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
5:53.0 41-47 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft
5:04.0 41-50 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
4:45.0 41-52 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 19 ft

2.42+7.15 =9.57min

[poido123]

2:42.0 22-17 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot at rim
2:00.0 4-20 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
1:27.0 24-22 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
0:33.5 26-24 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot at rim
0:00.4 28-27 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
2nd Quarter
11:47.0 28-29 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 22 ft
11:24.0 28-32 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
10:06.0 33-35 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
9:00.0 35-38 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
6:16.0 39-43 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
6:16.0 39-44 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
5:53.0 41-47 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft
5:04.0 41-50 +3 K. Bryant makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
4:45.0 41-52 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 19 ft

2.42+7.15 =9.57min

OK, I'm wrong. Still, pretty impressive even though it was a crippled Jordan and Wizards team...

[Legends66NBA7]

lol this bitch mad. I see you're a raptors fan, still mad about them 81 points Kobe dropped on yall.

I doubt most or if any Raptor fans are mad at all these days about 81.

:confusedshrug:

My interactions with raptorsfandr07 is that he doesn't like Kobe and hates the overrating of the guy, but he does give him respect. Correlation does not imply causation... 81 points has nothing with his dislike of the guy. Not that I necessarily agree with certain statements like Kobe having the most stacked team this year (on paper, it sure did... it's certainly not right now and that's obvious) and not able to 3 peat, as if 2 peating is some failure..

People dislike or hate Kobe Bryant. That's something your going to have to live with, bro.

[Dragonyeuw]

If people watched the entire game seriously, you can see Jordan was trying his best and almost playing the best defense in his career that time and Kobe still score 55 pts in his face easily.

You try way too hard.

[scandisk_]

You try way too hard.

Why argue with a friggin undercover Jordan stan? :oldlol: These undercover agents are trying waaayy too hard with their agendas.

[Doctor Rivers]

Why argue with a friggin undercover Jordan stan? :oldlol: These undercover agents are trying waaayy too hard with their agendas.

+1

[KOBE143]

^

3 accounts in just 1 person agreeing with himself.. unbelievable.. :facepalm

[KOBE143]

Why argue with a friggin undercover Jordan stan? :oldlol: These undercover agents are trying waaayy too hard with their agendas.
Posting in your sock account to agree with yourself.. :facepalm Why not post in your main account RRR3? Am I righ? :lol

[scandisk_]

Why not post in your main account RRR3? Am I righ? :lol

Only if you agree to do the same :oldlol: . Plus your pathethic name says it all, Kobe143, cottdamn!

No balls to troll kobe with your main acct? :oldlol:

[KOBE143]

Only if you agree to do the same :oldlol: . Plus your pathethic name says it all, Kobe143, cottdamn!

No balls to troll kobe with your main acct? :oldlol:
huh? this is my main and only account here bitch aside from my account that got perma banned unlike you asshole that have multiple account here and too shy to post in your main RRR3 account after someone exposed your post count in 1 week.. Your so pathetic using your other account to agree with yourself.. You're too obvious dude.. Get a life ph@g0t!

[Nick Young]

MJ knew he couldn't compete, asked his coach to pull him, and spent the rest of the game crying on the bench. MJ's legendary spirit was broken that day.

Broken by the mamba:bowdown:

[scandisk_]

huh? this is my main and only account here bitch aside from my account that got perma banned unlike you asshole that have multiple account here and too shy to post in your main RRR3 account after someone exposed your post count in 1 week.. Your so pathetic using your other account to agree with yourself.. You're too obvious dude.. Get a life ph@g0t!


someone's mad :lol :lol

[jstern]

Is that the game where he dropped all his points on Stackhouse? I don't even think he was able to score on Jordan.

[KOBE143]

someone's mad :lol :lol
Yeah I mad as **** with your lies and make up stories.. You're already getting in my nerves.. :mad:

[Glide2keva]

The things these trolls say to drive traffic to this site.

[AlphaWolf24]

Right. A Bleacher Report fan poll and your opinion.

That doesn't prove "90% of the basketball fanbase ranks Kobe #4-#7 all-time."

But good try.


- NO.....a fan report based on a TNT report..

stay rustled kid..

- and to the other posters who can't read....I'm not saying Kobe should b ranked #1 - #3 alltime...I'm saying #5 - #7 is where he should rank....

- un rustle yo jimmies and comprehende...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

NO.....a fan report based on a TNT report..

stay rustled kid..

Speaking of fan reports ... MJ wins every poll for GOAT quite easily. Often, Kobe is not even in the discussion. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

OK, I'm wrong. Still, pretty impressive even though it was a crippled Jordan and Wizards team...


yup....you wrong like a football bat......

hatred got u blinded kid....:lol


recognize game when it's in your face...

[STATUTORY]

that absolute SHOOK look MJ had on his face in that vid still haunts me, like ebenezer scrooge watching the ghost of christmas future

I don't think it was a coincidence MJ retired that same season.

[AlphaWolf24]

Speaking of fan reports ... MJ wins every poll for GOAT quite easily. Often, Kobe is not even in the discussion. :oldlol:


- yup...and that's the only thing that counts according to NBA.com...majority opinion...Because Jordan is far from bieng the greates winner of alltime or the greatest scorer......nor the greatest defender ...nor the greatest passer....nor the greatest shooter.....

but majority say he is the best

- and like I said.....I was arguing about Kobe bieng raked #5 - #7 alltime...not #1.......

- stay rustled Jordan Jocking basketball illiterates.....( similar to MJ when Kobe made him quit)

[Cali Syndicate]

- yup...and that's the only thing that counts according to NBA.com...majority opinion...Because Jordan is far from bieng the greates winner of alltime or the greatest scorer......nor the greatest defender ...nor the greatest passer....nor the greatest shooter.....

but majority say he is the best

- and like I said.....I was arguing about Kobe bieng raked #5 - #7 alltime...not #1.......

- stay rustled Jordan Jocking basketball illiterates.....( similar to MJ when Kobe made him quit)

And majority opinion matters to you too. It's not like all those polls you throw around for Kobe as the player of the decade are based off chopped liver now are they?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

- yup...and that's the only thing that counts according to NBA.com...majority opinion...Because Jordan is far from bieng the greates winner of alltime or the greatest scorer......nor the greatest defender ...nor the greatest passer....nor the greatest shooter.....

But, Kobe himself isn't "the greatest winner of all time" nor the "greatest scorer", "greatest defender", "greatest passer" or "greatest shooter".

Why are you changing your criteria? You were talking about polls right? Jordan owns Kobe in GOAT polls. Sorry, kiddo.


and like I said.....I was arguing about Kobe bieng raked #5 - #7 alltime...not #1.......

So you admit Kobe isn't anywhere close to Jordan all-time? :cheers:

[AlphaWolf24]

Nah. Alpha is hilarious. He purposely tries to look stupid with his grammar, quirks, and quips.

You can tell he's actually pretty smart, just playing dumb sometimes. In Kobe or the Lakers case, he's just a fan. So agenda is justifiable in his eyes.

I think he's one of the more entertaining people on these boards. He knows deep down that MJ is better.


- You know whats most :lol ???....people actually justify this game with thier thought out rebutles..... :roll:

- Kobe had a GawdBE game......so what?.....it happened against old MJ.....so what?

- I seen many payers play amazing games againt Jordan's Bull's.....no one ever post walls of text about MJ's water shot knees ....

- and the best part is....I never said Kobe was better then Jordan.....:lol I said #5 - #7..and yet they still attack me:confusedshrug:

- :cheers: 2U for not rustling yo jimmies...

[AlphaWolf24]

But, Kobe himself isn't "the greatest winner of all time" nor the "greatest scorer", "greatest defender", "greatest passer" or "greatest shooter".

Why are you changing your criteria? You were talking about polls right? Jordan owns Kobe in GOAT polls. Sorry, kiddo.



So you admit Kobe isn't anywhere close to Jordan all-time? :cheers:


- what criteria??...I said he was voted as player of the decade and most people view him #5 - #7....that sounds like majority opinion to me...

- someone said he's barely top 10??....that is what I was conversing about....

- If #5 - #7 is no where near MJ....then so be it......I personally think Kobe is a lock Top 3 player alltime when he retires(easily with the alltime scorer rank).....and after watching both his and MJ's whole careers I think they very close....as players and with thier resume's.

[AlphaWolf24]

Here's a list of the most pathetic Kobe fans:

Alphapoof

Kobe143

fatal9 (havent seen him for a while, probably has multiple accounts)

Missed anyone??

Oh yeah,

Longtimelurker

Heavensent

jacks3

Keneth Griffin (however he gave up and proclaimed Kobe to be overrated)

Im sure there is more, but these one's stick out the most..

Alphapoof, jacks3, kobe143 being the most annoying Kobe fools by far...


- that list you made up looks lik an ISH WEST allstar team right there....:confusedshrug:

-PS: Your austrailian.....the only thing you gave us was a prety good comedy Crocodile Dundee, watered down beer , some pretty white chicks with flat Azz'z , a dude who got merked by a sting ray..and Mad Max....

but basketball aint one if them...your knowlege of hoops sounds like Bugs Bunny in space Jam...

- talley ho cho chop......"pedo123...Australien for basketball illiterate."

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If #5 - #7 is no where near MJ....then so be it......I personally think Kobe is a lock Top 3 player alltime when he retires(easily with the alltime scorer rank).....and after watching both his and MJ's whole careers I think they very close....as players and with thier resume's.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting to being a Kobe fan, and accepting Mike is...just better. I applaud you for that, Alphawolf.

:cheers:

[AlphaWolf24]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting to being a Kobe fan, and accepting Mike is...just better. I applaud you for that, Alphawolf.

:cheers:


His resume , his iron will and his 4th quarter play is 2nd to no one.....he is the best player I seen play since I started watching basketball.....and I think if Kobe continues this play for the next 3 - 4 years we will have even more great debates...


be afraid...be very afraid....:D

[KG215]

- NO.....a fan report based on a TNT report..

stay rustled kid..

- and to the other posters who can't read....I'm not saying Kobe should b ranked #1 - #3 alltime...I'm saying #5 - #7 is where he should rank....

- un rustle yo jimmies and comprehende...
It wasn't a TNT report. The writer wrote the article TNT was getting ready to name their All-Decade team and Player of the Decade. He was making his argument as to why Kobe was the player of the decade. And the TNT thing was a fan vote, when Kobe was coming off a championship. If that doesn't skew a fan poll, then I don't know what would.

Not saying Kobe didn't deserve, at the very least, to be in the discussion for player of the decade, he does; I'm just pointing out how that article tells me nothing. TNT does not equal 90% of the NBA fanbase.

[TheMan]

I seriously doubt Kobe was overwhelmingly the best player of the 2000s where Shaq, Duncan and LBJ beasted. Kobe was great but not head and shoulders above those players.

I would say that LBJ has been better than Bryant from 2006 to present but that's my opinion, you're welcomed to disagree with it. If you like scoring over everything else, then KB is for you, if you like all around game, that's LBJ hands down...and since you Kobe fans love pointing out that Bryant beat an old ass Jordan and his Wizards and thus he is greater than Jordan:facepalm , using that same criterea, LBJ merks Kobe's team, he's beaten him regularly and both were in their prime. LBJ>Bryant...according to your standards.

at least be consistent, that's probably too much to ask of Kobe dickriders.:oldlol:

[DJ Leon Smith]

I can't wait for Kobe to retire so Kobe haters can bring up whicever scrub outscored him in his last game and say "he made Kobe retire". Then we can link back to this thread and see ZERO EXCUSES from Kobe fans because they pick and choose their moments to defend their hero.

The same way Kobe picks and chooses his moments to defend anyone in the NBA right now (see: Miles, CJ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU

[WillC]

- maybe if the game was closer...Kobe would have not ended with 55 points.....most likely 84 - 90pts

You are a ****ing prick.

[Money 23]

- :cheers: 2U for not rustling yo jimmies...
No prob.

I mean it's all hyperbole, I know Laker / Kobe fans want to use it as the one leg to stand up on in terms of arguments v.s. Jordan where virtually everything else is in Mike's favor.

We all know MJ was 40 on no knees, last legs and Kobe was half his age, in his prime guarded by Stackhouse and Hughes (a good defender) that game. And yes he went off ... impressive too. Absolutely torched those two shooting guards.

It didn't retire MJ, MJ wasn't shook, and he wasn't crying. But you guys entertain me. MJ didn't guard him for a single possession of that game, let alone a majority of the points. MJ was heavier and slower in 2002 and 2003. Primarily playing SF through out his tenure on the Wiz, and that game he guarded Rick Fox.

If there was ANYONE I'd want someone saying dropped 55 on Jordan, it being Kobe Bryant is more than respectable. In fact it's ideal considering he passed the mantle of best SG to him, and MJ was obviously Kobe's favorite player. In Kobe, we're talking about when on fire, the most explosive scorer of all time due to mind set + skill. 2nd best SG of all-time, and top ten player all-time.

No shame in that AT ALL. I'm sure if MJ was 23 - 33 years of age in his prime, he would have happily tried to slow down Kobe's tear. But the guy was officially "over the hill" by this game.

It's not like MJ had 60 dropped on him by Gilbert Arenas as a 29 year old in his prime or anything ...

:P

[AlphaWolf24]

No prob.

I mean it's all hyperbole, I know Laker / Kobe fans want to use it as the one leg to stand up on in terms of arguments v.s. Jordan where virtually everything else is in Mike's favor.

We all know MJ was 40 on no knees, last legs and Kobe was half his age, in his prime guarded by Stackhouse and Hughes (a good defender) that game. And yes he went off ... impressive too. Absolutely torched those two shooting guards.

It didn't retire MJ, MJ wasn't shook, and he wasn't crying. But you guys entertain me. MJ didn't guard him for a single possession of that game, let alone a majority of the points. MJ was heavier and slower in 2002 and 2003. Primarily playing SF through out his tenure on the Wiz, and that game he guarded Rick Fox.

If there was ANYONE I'd want someone saying dropped 55 on Jordan, it being Kobe Bryant is more than respectable. In fact it's ideal considering he passed the mantle of best SG to him, and MJ was obviously Kobe's favorite player. In Kobe, we're talking about when on fire, the most explosive scorer of all time due to mind set + skill. 2nd best SG of all-time, and top ten player all-time.

No shame in that AT ALL. I'm sure if MJ was 23 - 33 years of age in his prime, he would have happily tried to slow down Kobe's tear. But the guy was officially "over the hill" by this game.

It's not like MJ had 60 dropped on him by Gilbert Arenas as a 29 year old in his prime or anything ...

:P


Jordan was Mad and started to tear up.....no denying it.

- and Jordan had Nique drop 57 on him......preceeded by a 42 point merking preceeded by 2 29 - 30 point games in a row....

Jordan couldn't even slow down Nique ( but who could?)......Kobe at least held Gil in check most of the time.....

Nique droppin 57 on prime MJ......Kobe could at least get 70.

[TheMan]

Jordan was Mad and started to tear up.....no denying it.

- and Jordan had Nique drop 57 on him......preceeded by a 42 point merking preceeded by 2 29 - 30 point games in a row....

Jordan couldn't even slow down Nique ( but who could?)......Kobe at least held Gil in check most of the time.....

Nique droppin 57 on prime MJ......Kobe could at least get 70.
Alpha, you are amusing, I'll give you that.:cheers:

Seriously though, Kobe is an all time great, I have never said otherwise, it's just the overrating that gets tired. If Kobe goes on to have a great season stat wise like he's having right now and follow it up with a few more solid seasons (also needs to lead his stacked team to over .500 records, but that's another argument), we could see KB near the top 5 GOAT status. Longetivity has it's merits, playing at a high level for so long shouldn't be overlooked, that's an arguement the pro KAJ as GOAT use, why not for Kobe?

That dropping 70 on prime MJ is just speculation, has as much merit as me saying MJ would drop 70 on a prime Kobe.:no:

[Pacers4ever]

Alpha, you are amusing, I'll give you that.:cheers:

Seriously though, Kobe is an all time great, I have never said otherwise, it's just the overrating that gets tired. If Kobe goes on to have a great season stat wise like he's having right now and follow it up with a few more solid seasons (also needs to lead his stacked team to over .500 records, but that's another argument), we could see KB near the top 5 GOAT status. Longetivity has it's merits, playing at a high level for so long shouldn't be overlooked, that's an arguement the pro KAJ as GOAT use, why not for Kobe?

That dropping 70 on prime MJ is just speculation, has as much merit as me saying MJ would drop 70 on a prime Kobe.:no:
You're arguing with the guy who believes Kobe>MJ is a fact.

[9erempiree]

Fantastic game.

Greatness.

[Legends66NBA7]

You're arguing with the guy who believes Kobe>MJ is a fact.

Nah, deep down he knows MJ's better.

[TheMan]

Nah, deep down he knows MJ's better.
Yeah, he's said it numerous times, he just loves trolling:oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

wow 11 years Tomorrow !!!:banana: :banana: :banana:

the 2 GOATS!!!!

Miss you MJ and Kobe!!!