Deron "I'm a system player"

[It's A VC3!!!]

This makes me sad hearing a player like Deron say that he is a system player.

I'll refrain from posting an opinion on this as it will take an entire page but here is the quote and the link on the interview.

"I was injured the first year (and needed season-ending right wrist surgery)," Williams said Monday, a day before the Nets host the Jazz at Barclays Center. "I've really had injuries while I've been with (the Nets) the whole time. And didn't have the talent around me that I did (with the Jazz).

"And that system (in Utah) was a great system for my style of play. I'm a system player, and I loved Coach (Jerry) Sloan's system. I loved the offense there. We could've been a really good team. We just weren't that good defensively as a group."

This puts Avery on the hot seat because Avery' system was questioned and Deron said "I believe I can adjust to it". I personally find it embarrassing that his performance on offense and defense leads him to blame the system.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8756203/deron-williams-brooklyn-nets-says-not-same-trade-utah-jazz

[TheBigVeto]

If he loved Sloan, why did he drive him out of town?

This is karma for him.

[STATUTORY]

he forced sloan to retirement. this is karma. sometimes arrogant players don't know how good they have it till it's gone

[Young X]

LOL at anyone who thought this niqqa was better than CP3. :oldlol:

[Joshumitsu]

He's fine.

The system isn't the best but it's more that he needs a legit big man than anything else.

[niko]

Deron tends to say things in a way that don't sound positive. He's like a grouchy old man when he talks. It sounded like a shot at Avery but i'm not sure that was his intent.

[TaLvsCuaL]

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[niko]

I don't get Net fans bitching about Deron now. He basically tried when he wanted to for a year and a half. He took a week off to be with his wife having a baby with her having no complications. Not a day, a week. If his arm hurt, he'd take two weeks off. If you mentioned it, Net fans had a cow. Now he is legitimately hurt and everyone is nitpicking him.

[It's A VC3!!!]

I don't get Net fans bitching about Deron now. He basically tried when he wanted to for a year and a half. He took a week off to be with his wife having a baby with her having no complications. Not a day, a week. If his arm hurt, he'd take two weeks off. If you mentioned it, Net fans had a cow. Now he is legitimately hurt and everyone is nitpicking him.

Lol, who cares what happened two years ago. We sucked, nothing was under the microscope. Now that we're good, we can't have our star players playing like a scrub then making an excuse by saying "I'm a system player", and "I might be able to adjust to Avery's system". I want Deron to get the surgery and be out for two months to fully heal. It will deeply hurt our HCA chances but I'll be fine with that.

[SpecialQue]

More like, "I'm a shitty player," am I right?????

[Djsonny]

I'm sure Boozer feels the same way, best pick and roll or pick and pop coach, perfect for both their styles.

[D12"Magic"]

I don't get Net fans bitching about Deron now. He basically tried when he wanted to for a year and a half. He took a week off to be with his wife having a baby with her having no complications. Not a day, a week. If his arm hurt, he'd take two weeks off. If you mentioned it, Net fans had a cow. Now he is legitimately hurt and everyone is nitpicking him.
Who is turning on him besides VC3?

A lot of us our happy with the team we got. Without Deron rejuvenating us where would we be?

[plUto or bUst]

I've never been high on Deron Williams. He is still an above average PG but the system in Utah made him look like an elite PG. Like Steve Nash, he is a system PG; take him out of it and he'll struggle.

To be fair, lots of players in the league do better in a certain type of system. Only a few players, like Lebron and Durant to name a few, are "plug in and play" players at an elite level.

[Purch]

"But But you can't limit a point guard like D-Will and that's why Jerry got fired"

AM I RIGHT?


Said the same Nets fan who then quotes the same point guard claiming that he loved that limited system that allowed him to play to his strengths.

:applause:

[wang4three]

Name a great player that didn't have a system around him that made him shine. People here use the word system as if it means a bad thing. Duncan had a great system around him. Jordan too. Nearly every player needs to have a great system in place for them to excel.

[Haymaker]

It's never his fault with DWill. He's another diva.

[Whoah10115]

I've never been high on Deron Williams. He is still an above average PG but the system in Utah made him look like an elite PG. Like Steve Nash, he is a system PG; take him out of it and he'll struggle.

To be fair, lots of players in the league do better in a certain type of system. Only a few players, like Lebron and Durant to name a few, are "plug in and play" players at an elite level.



So why did Nash make 2 all-star teams when he played in Dallas? Same system?


Why has he made multiple all-star teams without D'Antoni, in a more traditional pick n' roll, tho still uptempo? The Suns under Gentry weren't D'Antoni's Suns. They played uptempo but they didn't play D'Antoni ball.


A system just helps curb Deron's game. Deron was a beast with the US team and a lot of the players said that on some days he was the best player on the floor.



Lastly, I don't know if I've asked this before, but where exactly did people get that Williams drove Sloan to leave the Jazz? I'm not asking sarcastically. It sounded like something to say and I don't know if there is any fire or if it's all smoke.

[guy]

The most overrated player in the league especially over the last few years. :oldlol: @ anyone thinking he was better then CP3, Rose, or Rondo the last few years.

[bmulls]

He's still a max contract player

[plUto or bUst]

So why did Nash make 2 all-star teams when he played in Dallas? Same system?


Why has he made multiple all-star teams without D'Antoni, in a more traditional pick n' roll, tho still uptempo? The Suns under Gentry weren't D'Antoni's Suns. They played uptempo but they didn't play D'Antoni ball.


A system just helps curb Deron's game. Deron was a beast with the US team and a lot of the players said that on some days he was the best player on the floor.



Lastly, I don't know if I've asked this before, but where exactly did people get that Williams drove Sloan to leave the Jazz? I'm not asking sarcastically. It sounded like something to say and I don't know if there is any fire or if it's all smoke.

The system made an Elite PG (nash) into a Hall of Famer. Utah's system made an above average player (Deron) into an elite player.

[plUto or bUst]

He's still a max contract player

So is Amare Stoudemire. Your point?

[gigantes]

Name a great player that didn't have a system around him that made him shine. People here use the word system as if it means a bad thing. Duncan had a great system around him. Jordan too. Nearly every player needs to have a great system in place for them to excel.
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okay, that sums up the votes of me and my houseplants.

[selrahc]

Every player in a sense is a system player. There will always be systems in which a player of a certain skill set plays better in and systems in which they play worse.

For instance, put LeBron in the triangle, where he is no longer so ball dominant and there is more ball movement among all the players, and he probably only averages 20/5/5.

[Whoah10115]

The system made an Elite PG (nash) into a Hall of Famer. Utah's system made an above average player (Deron) into an elite player.




Nash's best season is probably 09/10.


Sloan's system is just an efficient way for a talent like Williams to play.

[niko]

So why did Nash make 2 all-star teams when he played in Dallas? Same system?


Why has he made multiple all-star teams without D'Antoni, in a more traditional pick n' roll, tho still uptempo? The Suns under Gentry weren't D'Antoni's Suns. They played uptempo but they didn't play D'Antoni ball.


A system just helps curb Deron's game. Deron was a beast with the US team and a lot of the players said that on some days he was the best player on the floor.



Lastly, I don't know if I've asked this before, but where exactly did people get that Williams drove Sloan to leave the Jazz? I'm not asking sarcastically. It sounded like something to say and I don't know if there is any fire or if it's all smoke.

There was quite a few stories right after it happened but nothing concrete as either him or Sloan saying it's true. There was buzz about it prior too. I dont recall it being a highly debated topic though...

[Whoah10115]

There was quite a few stories right after it happened but nothing concrete as either him or Sloan saying it's true. There was buzz about it prior too. I dont recall it being a highly debated topic though...



I understand covering your butt but Deron seems to do nothing but praise the hell out of Sloan and it always seemed odd to me. If anything, I think Deron just wanted to leave Utah.

[gigantes]

looks like the system works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rRoDi2ECVtw


not sure the nets have the right personnel to run it, though...

[maybeshewill13]

More like, "I'm a shitty player," am I right?????
Yep.

[Y2Gezee]

I understand covering your butt but Deron seems to do nothing but praise the hell out of Sloan and it always seemed odd to me. If anything, I think Deron just wanted to leave Utah.


Full story never came out, but I believe they were forcing Sloan out because Deron had basically shut down on him. The hope was that it would make Deron stay, but alas he's sucking as a Net

[miggyme1]

To be honest i think it had nun to do with sloan. I think deron wanted out of utah and unlike dwight.....deron aint sugar coat it. He went right to the gm and said look im not resigning so u might as well trade me or lose me for nun in the offseason.

Exactly wat dwight should have done. Deron is coachable so i dont know y yall acting like he allen iverson.lol utah is a very small market also its a very religious town so it was prolly pretty boring there.

As for his struggles right now its simple. When has dwill ever played with allstar wingmen? Never until now. His assist are down because wallace and johnson arent catch and shoot guys. They like to dribble so that negates the assist.

He is shootin bad and i think its just mental. U gotta remember he in brooklyn now....... Expectations are high....the expectations in brooklyn are prollt higher than the expectations in miami and la just from a fan perspective.

Thats a lot of pressure to put on a player when they hotta learn how to play with ball dominate allstars and when they was just a year ago use to having freee will to go out there and shot jack like no tomorrow

[Toizumi]

Bad statement by him, because a lot of people take it the wrong way. How I see it, he admits to having a hard time playing in a system in which he is to roam free and create for himself and the team. In Utah he played a lot of set plays and pick and rolls. Less decisionmaking and more structure. He prefers playing within a system, in which he isn't required to create of the dribble all the time, as he is now in NJ.

[niko]

In the two years that Deron was being begged to stay by the Nets, it never once occured to him to say "Avery, i'd play better in a more structured offense" which the Nets would have 100% implemented right away to appease him?

[Purch]

Literally like a week and a half ago


Yes you do "use" Deron. In Utah we didn't simply just let Deron run the offense and create all the offense. He's great at doing that, but he's not Cp3 in that regard. What we did is we played him for significant stretches off the ball where he'd catch and shoot and get easy baskets going towards the Rim and get screens set for him. Also we'd take the ball out of Deron's hands and allow him to post up smaller guards and fully utalize his passing abilty out of the post. D-Will's the best point guard passer out of the post that I've seen since J-Kidd on New Jersey, but he doesn't only look to pass he also has the abilty to get easy buckets inside because of how big he is.


He does do all of that you're mentioning. He plays off the ball, and he posts up a lot. There was a reason Sloan got fired/quit whatever really happened. You don't put a leash on Deron.


I'm sorry but with your recent threads I just find the post you made so much more commical :roll: :roll: :roll:

But BUT UTAH'S system limited D-Will, and that's why Jerry got fired !!!!!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283086&page=5

[Toizumi]

Literally like a week and a half ago

I'm sorry but with your recent threads I just find the post you made so much more commical :roll: :roll: :roll:

But BUT UTAH'S system limited D-Will, and that's why Jerry got fired !!!!!

:cheers: Good stuff. Guess you were right on point

[Foster5k]

Lol at any dude admitting he is a system player. To even say you're a system player means there are players that aren't system players. He labeled himself a system player. Meaning he can't play without a good system suited for his style.

Things are getting really bad for the Nets. :lol

[LikeABosh]

Funny how he's the one who drove Sloan out of Utah. What a douche. Now he can be mediocre on a forever irrelevant team. Nets where a fraud from the start. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs

[midatlantic09]

Deron always looks overweight. Kinda of like he's on that pizza, cake, and beer diet.

[Purch]

Deron like Raymond Felton seem like the kind of players who always balence between that line of being big guards and out of shape.

[It's A VC3!!!]

In the two years that Deron was being begged to stay by the Nets, it never once occured to him to say "Avery, i'd play better in a more structured offense" which the Nets would have 100% implemented right away to appease him?

He's using the system as an excuse. If it was really the system you don't wait 2 years to say something. He's missing shots and sucking on defense. How is that the systems fault?

[BlueandGold]

Name a great player that didn't have a system around him that made him shine. People here use the word system as if it means a bad thing. Duncan had a great system around him. Jordan too. Nearly every player needs to have a great system in place for them to excel.
was just going to post this, all players are essentially system players.. do most ISHtards think that the best players can somehow wing it all game and still average what their averaging?

[Mr. Incredible]

He's not 100%

[miggyme1]

Deron always looks overweight. Kinda of like he's on that pizza, cake, and beer diet.


just his body type....kinda like melo,sir charles, cp3,etc

[gigantes]

wow, one of the best sports writers on the east coast, dave d'allessandro, just ripped deron a new one in his own subtle style. dave's normally a very understanding sort, so this was a pretty strong statement for him:


...


Nets' Deron Williams resting on his laurels - and fat wallet

Published: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 11:36 PM
By Dave D'Alessandro/Star-Ledger Columnist


NEW YORK

[I.R.Beast]

has deron had surgery on his wrist yet?????......his shot not being the same since the injury is the problem....

[R.I.P.]

In the two years that Deron was being begged to stay by the Nets, it never once occured to him to say "Avery, i'd play better in a more structured offense" which the Nets would have 100% implemented right away to appease him?

Avery is a horrible coach. The guy "led" the Mavs to the NBA finals, 67 wins the following season and was unemployed for almost three years afterwards. Dirk Nowitzki is the ultimate team player. You never hear him say a bad word about a teammate, coach or owner, but you could read between the lines that he wanted Avery gone. There are two reasons the Mavs didn

[niko]

I said in prior years the absolute apathy he had with the Nets was something that was a bad thing. Everyone always excused it as "the games didn't matter." Which was true, but he still should have been able to muster effort more nights, he still shouldn't have shut himself down last year, he still shouldn't have taken a week off when his wife had a baby when other players get 1 or 2 days.

Basically he hasn't been Deron most nights for almost 2 years and that was totally excused, but everyone wants the switch to click now.

[Whoah10115]

2 years is an exaggeration. It's been 1 1/2 years...but it's certainly long enough.


He's not in shape. He can't just flip the switch, because if he plays well he's lacking all intangibles right now. His defense...this guy used to be able to play some defense...he is no longer acceptable there. Doesn't rebound enough. Isn't physical. For over a year I've said he doesn't seem to work on his game. He's just talented and good at everything, but where is the work?


Johnson is still doing a poor job coaching, but Williams is not bringing it.