Larry Bird Greatest Games: 43 Pts/13 Rbs/6 Asst. vs Pistons (1985 ECSF Game 5)

[Round Mound]

http://bimg1.mlstatic.com/nba-larry-bird-coleccion-trading-card-basket-boston-celtics_MLA-F-3142709563_092012.jpg

Larry Bird abusing Kelly Tripucka and the Pistons in pivotal Game 5 (series tied 2-2) as he scored 43 points on 17/33 FG with 17 in the fourth quarter alone... Bird also grabbed 13 rebounds and dished out 6 assists... Basketball Jesus in the middle of his prime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Wb0-evaPk

:bowdown:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Bird shoulda dropped 60 on Tripucka. He has no D. I remember Adrian Dantley used to destroy Tripucka also.

[9erempiree]

He wouldn't be able to do that in today's league when every Forward is a skilled athletic player. Almost every team today would have a guy that would stop Larry.

Good game for him.

[Round Mound]

He wouldn't be able to do that in today's league when every Forward is a skilled athletic player. Almost every team today would have a guy that would stop Larry.

Good game for him.

:roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:

[9erempiree]

:roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:
I'm watching the videos as I type and the defense was bad.

Wide open looks and wide open lay ups.

There's more traffic in the paint in today's era and he wouldn't get these open looks because since the arrival of Kobe, there are players who are defensive specialists and they are usually Forwards.

You don't think a player today who's sole purpose to play defense can stop Bird?

A guy like Ainge was penetrating and dishing to wide open Bird....Ainge...lol

[KLovin]

He wouldn't be able to do that in today's league when every Forward is a skilled athletic player. Almost every team today would have a guy that would stop Larry.

Good game for him.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[9erempiree]

Ok...just finished the video and noticed that the commentators were calling the Pistons defense out.

"defensive lapses"

"you can't get off your feet"

"they need to play better defense"

These comments are from the commentators but I don't expect any of you guys to watch the video or know what defense is.

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm

couldn't get past the three minute mark due to absurd lack of defense displayed

:roll: at slow footed ainge getting dribble penetration

[Round Mound]

I'm watching the videos as I type and the defense was bad.

Wide open looks and wide open lay ups.

There's more traffic in the paint in today's era and he wouldn't get these open looks because since the arrival of Kobe, there are players who are defensive specialists and they are usually Forwards.

You don't think a player today who's sole purpose to play defense can stop Bird?

A guy like Ainge was penetrating and dishing to wide open Bird....Ainge...lol

Kid...The Reason Why People Did Not Wan`t to Get To Close to Larry Is That Larry Had The Best Vision and Passing Game Of The Best PGs Around, He Would Assist With Ease If You Got To Close.

Larry Schooled So Many Athletes That Its Not Even Funny. Remember Back Then: Hanchecking Was Allowed, Big Guys Could Camp in the Paint (harder to drive than today) and Contact Was Allowed In the Post. Larry Bird Schooled PFs in the Post With Spins, Fakes, Fadeways and 1 on 1 Movements. He Just Shot Over Long Athletic SFs With Ease and Savy.

Larry Bird at age 35 (1992) With No Potence, No Leap, Slower Than Ever and With Amazing Back Problems Averaged 20.2 PPG (46.6% FG and 40.6 3-Point FG), 9.6 RPG, 6.8 APG, 0.9 SPG and 0.7 SPG Against Many Athletes.

[9erempiree]

Kid...The Reason Why People Did Not Wan`t to Get To Close to Larry Is That Larry Had The Best Vision and Passing Game Of The Best PGs Around, He Would Assist With Ease If You Got To Close.

Larry Schooled So Many Athleates That Its Not Even Funny. Remember Back Hanchecking Was Allowed, Big Guys Could Camp in the Paint (harder to drive than today( and Contact Was Allowed In the Post. Larry Bird Schooled PFs in the Post With Spins, Fakes, Fadeways and 1 on 1 Movements. He Just Shot Over Long Athletic SFs With Ease and Savy.

Larry Bird at age 35 (1992) With No Potence, No Leap, Slower Than Ever and With Amazing Back Problems Averaged 20.2 PPG (46.6% FG and 40.6 3-Point FG), 9.6 RPG, 6.8 APG, 0.9 SPG and 0.7 SPG Against Many Athleats.

LOL @ camping in the lane.

No...they cannot do that because that would be illegal defense.

Hand checking? You play defense with your feet. Anyone that's played basketball or coached would tell you this. They just didn't play very good defense because they were accustom to using their hands.

This hand checking argument is getting really old....

[9erempiree]

Where's the defense on this play?

http://youtu.be/06Wb0-evaPk?t=4m56s

too much gambling on D and standing around.

[Round Mound]

LOL @ camping in the lane.

No...they cannot do that because that would be illegal defense.

Hand checking? You play defense with your feet. Anyone that's played basketball or coached would tell you this. They just didn't play very good defense because they were accustom to using their hands.

This hand checking argument is getting really old....

Today Ofcourse Its Not Allowed.... Back Then...The Rules Did Not Favor Perimeter Players or Penetrators. You Would Get Smashed If You Tried To Penetrate From the Perimeter.

Defense With Your Feet? OH Pleaseee...So You are Telling Me That With Just Moving Your Feet You Will Stop Bird`s Face Up Jumper or Post Game? Those Foot Movements Would Just Role Backwards! :roll: :no: :facepalm :rolleyes:

Handchecking Makes The Other Player More Tired and It Forces Him To Change Direction Faster Than "Just Moving Your Feet"

[Micku]

LOL @ camping in the lane.

No...they cannot do that because that would be illegal defense.

Hand checking? You play defense with your feet. Anyone that's played basketball or coached would tell you this. They just didn't play very good defense because they were accustom to using their hands.

This hand checking argument is getting really old....


Following the 2003-2004 season, you see, the NBA banned hand-checking of perimeter players. The league hoped that cracking down on pushing and grabbing would give the game's offensive stars more space to roam, increase scoring, and create a more fan-friendly, aesthetically pleasing game. Scoring has, as intended, increased in the subsequent seasons.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/11/the_defense_doesnt_rest.html

[Round Mound]

Suggest You Watch What Bird Did To Athletic Players at Age 35 in 1991-92 vs The Blazers: 49/14/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woAK1i-o2wI

Slow, Unathletic, Rigid, Injured and Old Was Still Effective as a Crippled Man.

[9erempiree]

Back in the 80's a majority of the Defensive Player of the Year were guards. There were no inside presence.

Today's league '96 and beyond it has always been Centers and Power Forwards. You get to the lane you are going to get tossed or stopped in your tracks.

You're going to tell me Bird will be getting in the lane against these guys? He won't be able to get as much rebounds as he did then.

[Round Mound]

Back in the 80's a majority of the Defensive Player of the Year were guards. There were no inside presence.

[B]Ok So You are Telling Me The 80s Did Not Have Great Defensive Bigs and Forwards?

Centers of the 80s:

-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7`2 3/2 ft and 250 lbs: Averaged 2.0 BPG Per 31 MPG
-Moses Malone: 6`11 ft and 265 lbs: Best Rebounder of the 80s and The Greatest Offensive Rebounder Ever
-Hakeem Olajuwon 6`10 1/2 ft and 255 lbs: 2nd Best Interior Defender of the 80s and The Best Team Defender of the Mid 90s
-Patrick Ewing 6`11 ft and 255 lbs : Among the Best Defend

[King1991nba]

Round Mound is killing it :bowdown: :bowdown:

[WillC]

Back in the 80's a majority of the Defensive Player of the Year were guards. There were no inside presence.

You're right.

Oh, except...

David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing
Robert Parish
Ralph Sampson
Kevin Willis
Horace Grant
Buck Williams
Otis Thorpe
Kevin McHale
Larry Nance
James Worthy
Karl Malone
Roy Tarpley
Xavier McDaniel
Maurice Lucas
Dan Roundfield

:facepalm

[WillC]

Round Mound beat me to it (and thought of a lot more names than I did).

[Rake2204]

Suggest You Watch What Bird Did To Athletic Players at Age 35 in 1991-92 vs The Blazers: 49/14/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woAK1i-o2wI

Slow, Unathletic, Rigid, Injured and Old Was Still Effective as a Crippled Man.You know, the interesting thing about that clip to me is how unspectacular Bird's plays were, and that's what makes me feel like his skills would have translated to any era. He was not using a comparably fast first step to elude his defender. He wasn't crossing people over. He wasn't threading the needle with behind-the-back, no-look passes (though I know he's done that before), and he most certainly wasn't out-leaping any one on the boards.

I feel Larry was just playing good basketball. If the defense gave him an inch, his mid-range jumper was automatic. He used and ran off screens in an effective manner that'd allow him to gain that one inch needed to get off the shot he wanted. Passing-wise, he waited for the right play to develop. To the credit of his teammates, they were willing to put in the extra work on their end to make those plays occur. It's amazing what can happen when a team knows one of their teammates will always be looking to deliver (and will deliver) the rock if they hold up their end of the bargain and work to get into an open position.

Rebounding-wise, again, his teammates did 4/5ths of the work. This particular link shows a lot of excellent boxing out whenever Bird grabbed the board, and not necessarily from Bird. A lot of his rebounds were easy and isolated, because he and his teammates had worked to move the likes of Mark Bryant, Kevin Duckworth and Buck Williams off the glass.

Watching that clip, I just had a tough time coming to the conclusion that Bird was somehow taking advantage of inferior competition. It just looked like very good basketball.

[pauk]

:bowdown:

[Pushxx]

He wouldn't be able to do that in today's league when every Forward is a skilled athletic player. Almost every team today would have a guy that would stop Larry.

Good game for him.

You must not have watched some of the best defenders of all time try to guard Bird.

It didn't go so well for them.

[SHAQisGOAT]

He wouldn't be able to do that in today's league when every Forward is a skilled athletic player. Almost every team today would have a guy that would stop Larry.

Good game for him.


:facepalm

couldn't get past the three minute mark due to absurd lack of defense displayed

:roll: at slow footed ainge getting dribble penetration

:facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEmcemLR7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksp82aw-jqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzTffhlEvQg

That's Bobby Jones, Michael Cooper, Dennis Rodman, Julius Erving, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Cliff Robinson, Horace Grant, Michael Jordan, Orlando Woolridge, Kenny Walker, Jerome Kersey.... Some great defenders, athletes or both right there.
Plus centers like Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem, Moses, Eaton, Sikma, Sampson, Robinson, Laimbeer, Mahorn... were protecting the paint, not to mention some other bigman.

SF's/PF's right now would do a better job than some of those or even other that guarded him? Or these today's centers would protect the rim better? I guess the rules detract from one's offense nowadays?
:roll:
I don't think so


One of the most used and oh so popular shot nowadays, the floater... Larry was doing it better back in the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFeM6VnUK_Y

Look at some of these postmoves, better than pretty much any bigman or player out there right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnwSeMiVaU

We all know about his passing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o66NdFDHEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqDadqF3Ns

What about defense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H76dsMqo3s

Think he could also shoot that ball :rolleyes:


What more do you want? lol

Haters these days are ridiculous :facepalm

[colts19]

I read these threads and see people trying to act like bird couldn't play to day and I wonder if they are just trying to act stupid or are they really just stupid.

My goodness, people just look at the names round mound and shaqisgoat, have listed. Try to come up with a list from 2000 forward that even starts to be as good. Not just the top players but the next tier of players were just great and the list of 2nd tier players like Chambers, Cooper, Grant just goes on and on. What a great era for basketball.

[9erempiree]

I read these threads and see people trying to act like bird couldn't play to day and I wonder if they are just trying to act stupid or are they really just stupid.

My goodness, people just look at the names round mound and shaqisgoat, have listed. Try to come up with a list from 2000 forward that even starts to be as good. Not just the top players but the next tier of players were just great and the list of 2nd tier players like Chambers, Cooper, Grant just goes on and on. What a great era for basketball.

Dikembe Mutombo
Shaquile O' Neal
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Ben Wallace
Shawn Bradley
Theo Ratliff
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O' Neal
Elton Brand
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Andrei Kirilenko
Eric Dampier
Sam Dalembert
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Zydrunas Ilguaskas
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Brendan Haywood
Derrick Coleman
Robert Horry
Chris Dudley
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Yao Ming

Players who are defensive forces in the eras you asked for. Whether those guys played Center or Forward.

If you are a true basketball fan, you can't say with a straight face those guys I listed, if they guarded Bird, Bird would dominate?

[SHAQisGOAT]

I read these threads and see people trying to act like bird couldn't play to day and I wonder if they are just trying to act stupid or are they really just stupid.

My goodness, people just look at the names round mound and shaqisgoat, have listed. Try to come up with a list from 2000 forward that even starts to be as good. Not just the top players but the next tier of players were just great and the list of 2nd tier players like Chambers, Cooper, Grant just goes on and on. What a great era for basketball.

I think people look at this american, hick-looking white guy, with less athleticism when compared to other all-time greats, probably way better than their favorite player, dominating in a sport that most greats are black or really athletic, and get to hating.
Disgraceful to a player with such amazing skill that represented the sport so well, that played such beautiful basketball, and could kill any team, any player, any time.

All I can do is :facepalm

[9erempiree]

I think people look at this american, hick-looking white guy, with less athleticism when compared to other all-time greats, probably way better than their favorite player, dominating in a sport that most greats are black or really athletic, and get to hating.
Disgraceful to a player with such amazing skill that represented the sport so well, that played such beautiful basketball, and could kill any team, any player, any time.

All I can do is :facepalm

How can you call yourself a basketball fan when the game has evolved. You are basically saying the game didn't evolve when you say Bird would dominate in today's era.

It's like saying an average player in the 50's or 60's can play in today's era.:facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

Dikembe Mutombo
Shaquile O' Neal
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Ben Wallace
Shawn Bradley
Theo Ratliff
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O' Neal
Elton Brand
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Andrei Kirilenko
Eric Dampier
Sam Dalembert
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Zydrunas Ilguaskas
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Brendan Haywood
Derrick Coleman
Robert Horry
Chris Dudley
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Yao Ming

Players who are defensive forces in the eras you asked for. Whether those guys played Center or Forward.

If you are a true basketball fan, you can't say with a straight face those guys I listed, if they guarded Bird, Bird would dominate?

LMAO

Didn't you read my post

Guards and forwards like Bobby Jones, Michael Cooper, Dennis Rodman, Julius Erving, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Cliff Robinson, Horace Grant, Michael Jordan, Orlando Woolridge, Kenny Walker, Jerome Kersey, Moncrief..... Some great defenders, athletes or both right there.
Plus PF's/C's like Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem, Moses, Eaton, Sikma, Sampson, Laimbeer, Buck Williams, MAhorn, Karl, Barkley, Robinson, Bol, Nance, Cummings, Gilmore, Tree Rollins, Daugherty, Kemp........

Sh!ts all over your list and I'm missing plenty, and he faced some of them after '88 in conditions most wouldn't endure.

[SHAQisGOAT]

How can you call yourself a basketball fan when the game has evolved. You are basically saying the game didn't evolve when you say Bird would dominate in today's era.

It's like saying an average player in the 50's or 60's can play in today's era.:facepalm

No it's really not. Read my post and see those vids, look at the stats, can't contest it, look at the players, the athletes, the moves and the skill. Plus with these rules he would probably dominate even more.

Won't continue this discussion, you're just hating and make no sense at all. Without being offensive here, you are clearly ignorant or just a hater.

:facepalm is all I can do

[9erempiree]

My 2nd tier defensive list, of guys Bird would not dominate against:

Gerald Wallace
Bismack Biyombo
Joakim Noah
CJ Miles
Andre Iguodala
Greg Monroe
Lebron James
Tayshaun Prince
David Lee
Omer Asik
Roy Hibbert
Caron Butler
Tony Allen
Anthony Davis
Serge Ibaka
Andrew Bynum
LaMarcus Aldridge
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Jackson
Al Jefferson
Nene


Mostly current players all of whom practically plays Forward and Power Forward.

Get out of here with Bird going to dominate today's league.

[pauk]

My 2nd tier defensive list, of guys Bird would not dominate against:

Gerald Wallace
Bismack Biyombo
Joakim Noah
CJ Miles
Andre Iguodala
Greg Monroe
Lebron James
Tayshaun Prince
David Lee
Omer Asik
Roy Hibbert
Caron Butler
Tony Allen
Anthony Davis
Serge Ibaka
Andrew Bynum
LaMarcus Aldridge
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Jackson
Al Jefferson
Nene


Mostly current players all of whom practically plays Forward and Power Forward.

Get out of here with Bird going to dominate today's league.

lol @ this guy being 2nd tier:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7964203/lebron-james-miami-heat-leads-way-nba-all-defensive-team

[9erempiree]

LMAO

Didn't you read my post

Guards and forwards like Bobby Jones, Michael Cooper, Dennis Rodman, Julius Erving, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Cliff Robinson, Horace Grant, Michael Jordan, Orlando Woolridge, Kenny Walker, Jerome Kersey, Moncrief..... Some great defenders, athletes or both right there.
Plus PF's/C's like Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem, Moses, Eaton, Sikma, Sampson, Laimbeer, Buck Williams, MAhorn, Karl, Barkley, Robinson, Bol, Nance, Cummings, Gilmore, Tree Rollins, Daugherty, Kemp........

Sh!ts all over your list and I'm missing plenty, and he faced some of them after '88 in conditions most wouldn't endure.

I'm sorry but my list shat's on your list. You try to bring up Guards and Shooting Guards to attempt to add more names to the list.

I brought up guys who were shot blockers or defensive specialists that actually play Forward/Center/Power Forward, so those guys would covering Bird.

If I wanted to bring up Guards, than my list will be way too long.....

[pauk]

Dikembe Mutombo
Shaquile O' Neal
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Ben Wallace
Shawn Bradley
Theo Ratliff
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O' Neal
Elton Brand
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Andrei Kirilenko
Eric Dampier
Sam Dalembert
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Zydrunas Ilguaskas
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Brendan Haywood
Derrick Coleman
Robert Horry
Chris Dudley
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Yao Ming

Players who are defensive forces in the eras you asked for. Whether those guys played Center or Forward.

If you are a true basketball fan, you can't say with a straight face those guys I listed, if they guarded Bird, Bird would dominate?

:wtf:

[9erempiree]

lol @ this guy being 2nd tier:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7964203/lebron-james-miami-heat-leads-way-nba-all-defensive-team

Just goes to show you how deep of great defensive players there are after Bird retired.

He wouldn't do anything against the 2nd tier. My first tier is solid.

[9erempiree]

:wtf:

Young Horry was a great defender with the Rockets. He use to be an athletic freak and has changed his game dramtically to stay so long in the league. I'm sure Houston fans can vouch for this.


Amare was a great defender before his micro-fracture.

[9erempiree]

1996 and beyond will be one of the greatest collection of players and talent.

[Round Mound]

I Think Their Should Be An Age Limit For Posters. To Much Stupidity is Going In This Post By Younsters Than Never Saw Bird Play.

[Round Mound]

1996 and beyond will be one of the greatest collection of players and talent.

1996 The Year Scottie Pippen a Perimeter Player Had the Highest Defensive Ratings. While This Never Happened In the 80s, All Big Men Had the Highest Defensive Ratings Cause of the Rules Back Then Where All Benefitial for Big Men PFs/CFs/Cs and Not For Perimeter Player.

Dirk Has Nothing on Bird Skill Wise and He Dominates The Game While Not Being the Rebounder, Passer, Creator, and Defender Bird Was

Dirk Never Reached This Level of Play, Ever .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0g0FhSlWs

[9erempiree]

1996 The Year Scottie Pippen a Perimeter Player Had the Highest Defensive Ratings. While This Never Happened In the 80s, All Big Men Had the Highest Defensive Ratings Cause of the Rules Back Then Where All Benefitial for Big Men PFs/CFs/Cs and Not For Perimeter Player.

Dirk Has Nothing on Bird Skill Wise and He Dominates The Game While Not Being the Rebounder, Passer, Creator, and Defender Bird Was

Dirk Never Reached This Level of Play, Ever .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0g0FhSlWs

Dirk will dominate in the 80's as well.

[9erempiree]

RoundMound, I believe you are the one that is delusional.

Dirk vs OKC....48 points. Let me see Bird have this kind of shooting performance.

This is going against, Durant, Ibaka and Thabo....all great defenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktg1wtY4pU

I can go on and because he had a historical playoff run that Bird would dream of having.

[Round Mound]

Durant isn`t a Great Defender :facepalm :no: and You Must Understand Bird Was Better Than Dirk At Everything From 1979-88. Everything. Before Injuries Bird Owned The League and There By Far Better Players Than Today even More Phenomenas like a 6`4 3/4 ft Powerforward and a 7`4 Powerforward.

Bird Got 60 Within The Flow of the Game While Creating and Rebounding. Dir Can Only Score. He is One of the Worst All Around Superstars Out There. A One Dimensional Player.

This is a Player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRUlpUkPMLA

[STATUTORY]

shaqisgoat's list is fraudulent, Rodman wasn't even starting till the 90s, and Scottie saw limited mins till 90s, kenny walker was a a guy that barely got 20 mins a game on a good year and this guy is listing him really shows how he's scraping the bottom of the barrell, bobby jones was an unathletic forward that was on his way out of the league by time of bird's emergence, same as moncreif

guys like erving, worthy, dominique weren't good defenders. the best defender Bird saw was probably Cooper and Cooper was a string bean

u can't just name players that played a few mins in the 80s that's BS cause the prime of a lot of the plaeyrs u listed did NOT overlap with Bird's prime

none of those vids showed excellent defense, u guys need to stop drinking that nostalgia koolaid

[9erempiree]

Durant isn`t a Great Defender :facepalm :no: and You Must Understand Bird Was Better Than Dirk At Everything From 1979-88. Everything. Before Injuries Bird Owned The League and There By Far Better Players Than Today even More Phenomenas like a 6`4 3/4 ft Powerforward and a 7`4 Powerforward.

Bird Got 60 Within The Flow of the Game While Creating and Rebounding. Dir Can Only Score. He is One of the Worst All Around Superstars Out There. A One Dimensional Player.

This is a Player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRUlpUkPMLA

I stopped watching after the first play. If you are going to prove that defenses were tough and he can dominate today. Please use another video.

:facepalm

[Round Mound]

RoundMound, I believe you are the one that is delusional.

Dirk vs OKC....48 points. Let me see Bird have this kind of shooting performance.

This is going against, Durant, Ibaka and Thabo....all great defenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktg1wtY4pU

I can go on and because he had a historical playoff run that Bird would dream of having.

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 9.5 APG in a NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 15.2 RPG in an NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

What About Defense? :confusedshrug:

Steals Per Game? :confusedshrug:

Dirk Is One Dimensional. Period.

[9erempiree]

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 9.5 APG in a NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 15.2 RPG in an NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

What About Defense? :confusedshrug:

Steals Per Game? :confusedshrug:

Dirk Is One Dimensional. Period.

Put Dirk in Bird's era...he will average those.

[STATUTORY]

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 9.5 APG in a NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

Has Dirk Ever Averaged 15.2 RPG in an NBA Finals? :confusedshrug:

What About Defense? :confusedshrug:

Steals Per Game? :confusedshrug:

Dirk Is One Dimensional. Period.

Dirk played in a monstrous era with athletes in every position playing cohesive team defense with complex rotations/schemes/zones

He didn't play in no YMCA era ball where they just dribbled up and down and chucked shots like it was going out of style

Larry bird is a tweener, how many of them are stars in this league?

[Round Mound]

People Will Never Understand Why Michael Cooper and Dennis Rodman Had To Guard Bird Because Bird`s Skill Set was Like a Point Guard, a Shooting Guard, a Smalll Forward and a Powerforward Into One Mix. He Was a Mixture of Positions and That is Why He Needed Special Attention on Defense.

BTW:

This Era Has The Softest Rules For Perimeter Players Ever
This Era Has The Worst Team and Passing Game In NBA History, Even Worst Than The 90s!
THis Era Has the Worst Shot Selection In NBA History.
This Era Favors Perimeter Players
This Era Is Soft and Perimeter Oriented
This Era Has a Lack of Brains and Fundamentals.

80s Was The GOAT NBA ERA...Players Knew How To Play Both the Half and the Running Game.

[Round Mound]

Zones? :roll: :bowdown: :applause: :facepalm :hammerhead: Zones are so Pathetic That Even Phil Jackson Has Lagued Out Loud Regarding Them and How They Only Work For Today`s Game Of Highschoolers With Lack of Brains. Zones Can Easily Be Beaten But You Have To Have Great Fundamental Team Play. O Wait!?, You Don`t Have Fundamental Team Play Anymore. Passing Game is at Its Worst Ever in The History of the Game. It Died in the 80s: An Era Where The GOAT Jordan Could Not Win a Single Game vs Bird

[9erempiree]

People Will Never Understand Why Michael Cooper and Dennis Rodman Had To Guard Bird Because Bird`s Skill Set was Like a Point Guard, a Shooting Guard, a Smalll Forward and a Powerforward Into One Mix. He Was a Mixture of Positions and That is Why He Needed Special Attention on Defense.

BTW:

This Era Has The Softest Rules For Perimeter Players Ever
This Era Has The Worst Team and Passing Game In NBA History, Even Worst Than The 90s!
THis Era Has the Worest Shot Selection In NBA History.
This Era Favors Perimeter Players
This Era Is Soft and Perimeter Oriented
This Era Has a Lack of Brains and Fundamentals.

80s Was The GOAT NBA ERA...Players Knew How To Play Both the Half and the Running Game.

80's was weak and it was a top heavy league then.

Today's league is probably the most well-rounded league. Every team can beat any team, at any given moment. More talent coming from Europe too.

I agree the 90's were probably the weakest era.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Dirk played in a monstrous era with athletes in every position playing cohesive team defense with complex rotations/schemes/zones

He didn't play in no YMCA era ball where they just dribbled up and down and chucked shots like it was going out of style

Larry bird is a tweener, how many of them are stars in this league?


My 2nd tier defensive list, of guys Bird would not dominate against:

Gerald Wallace
Bismack Biyombo
Joakim Noah
CJ Miles
Andre Iguodala
Greg Monroe
Lebron James
Tayshaun Prince
David Lee
Omer Asik
Roy Hibbert
Caron Butler
Tony Allen
Anthony Davis
Serge Ibaka
Andrew Bynum
LaMarcus Aldridge
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Jackson
Al Jefferson
Nene


Mostly current players all of whom practically plays Forward and Power Forward.

Get out of here with Bird going to dominate today's league.


Again lmao if you think any of those are better or more athletic on average or would do a better job than:

Michael Cooper
Bobby Jones
Dennis Rodman
Julius Erving
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dominique Wilkins
Cliff Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Rodney McCray
Patrick Ewing
Mark Eaton
Larry Nance
Xavier McDaniel
Buck Williams
Orlando Woolridge
Horace Grant
James Worthy
Paul Pressey
Ralph Sampson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Terry Cummings
Kenny Walker
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Clyde Drexler
Marques Johnson
Dan Roundfield
Shawn Kemp
Marques Johnson
Jerome Kersey
Moses Malone
Calvin Natt
Lonnie Shelton
Bob McAdoo
Maurice Lucas
AC Green
Mychal Thompson
Artis Gilmore
Bob Lanier
Sidney Moncrief
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Caldwell Jones
Jack Sikma
Kevin Willis
Tree Rollins
Manute Bol
TR Dunn
Danny Vranes
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Charles Barkley
Walter Davis
Brad Daugherty
........

^^Some of those dudes even played into the 00's, and some made all-defensive teams close to or in actually in the 00's. You haters are just too much lmao, so many ignorant flawed arguments, easy to own.

Plus they could use real D against Bird, not with these soft a$$ rules. Look at what Dirk did, and also what K-Love averaged last year. They are miles away from Bird's all-around skills and not even more athletic than he was before back injuries.

If you really think that you don't know what you're talking about or you're just hating on greatness.

You gtfo with your lack of basketball knowledge or just personal hating.

These haters running around because a white hick dude is better than their favorite player and not as athletic, :facepalm: at hating greatness, next thing Kareem couldn't dominate this league also lmao.

[Round Mound]

80's was weak and it was a top heavy league then.

Today's league is probably the most well-rounded league. Every team can beat any team, at any given moment. More talent coming from Europe too.

I agree the 90's were probably the weakest era.

Nope 2000s is the Weakest Era in NBA History. Even Worst Than 2010s

Have You Noticed That The Whole 90s Decade but 1999, Where All Owned By Teams Made Up Of Players From the 80s Drafts? Unlike the 80s Themselves Whom Where Dominated By BOTH 80s and 70s Stars and Drafted Players.

What Does That Tell You? That The 90s Had The Weakest Level of Drafting in NBA History. There is Nothing Special About a Guy That Can Dunk Nice and Looks Athletic If He Can Even Use 1 Brain Cell of Basketbal IQ. Not Even 1 Brain Cell!

2000s Have Been The Worst Decade of NBA History.

More Teams = Less Oportunities of Having More Than 1 All Star Per Team And Lesser Level of Good Rounded Experienced Role Players to Have Per Team.

Team Expansion = More Bad Teams = Less Talent Per Team.

[9erempiree]

Again lmao if you think any of those are better or more athletic on average or would do a better job than:

Michael Cooper
Bobby Jones
Dennis Rodman
Julius Erving
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dominique Wilkins
Cliff Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Rodney McCray
Patrick Ewing
Mark Eaton
Larry Nance
Xavier McDaniel
Buck Williams
Orlando Woolridge
Horace Grant
James Worthy
Paul Pressey
Ralph Sampson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Terry Cummings
Kenny Walker
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Clyde Drexler
Marques Johnson
Dan Roundfield
Shawn Kemp
Marques Johnson
Jerome Kersey
Moses Malone
Calvin Natt
Lonnie Shelton
Bob McAdoo
Maurice Lucas
AC Green
Mychal Thompson
Artis Gilmore
Bob Lanier
Sidney Moncrief
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Caldwell Jones
Jack Sikma
Kevin Willis
Tree Rollins
Manute Bol
TR Dunn
Danny Vranes
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Charles Barkley
Walter Davis
Brad Daugherty
........

Plus they could use real D against Bird, not with these soft a$$ rules.

If you really think that you don't know what you're talking about or you're just hating on greatness.

You gtfo with your lack of basketball knowledge or just personal hating.

These haters running around because a white hick dude is better than their favorite player and not as athletic, :facepalm: at hating greatness, next thing Kareem couldn't dominate this league also lmao.

White hick dude?:facepalm If that's your reasoning for us to think that he won't dominate then I don't really want to argue with you. Pathetic.

You are responding to my 2nd tier list btw...my first tier list crushes your crappy list. They are good players but not the defensive force of players I listed.

[SHAQisGOAT]

White hick dude?:facepalm If that's your reasoning for us to think that he won't dominate then I don't really want to argue with you. Pathetic.

You are responding to my 2nd tier list btw...my first tier list crushes your crappy list. They are good players but not the defensive force of players I listed.

I edited my post btw:

Some of those dudes even played into the 00's, and some made all-defensive teams close to or in actually in the 00's. You haters are just too much lmao, so many ignorant flawed arguments, easy to own.

Plus they could use real D against Bird, not with these soft a$$ rules. Look at what Dirk did, and also what K-Love averaged last year. They are miles away from Bird's all-around skills and not even more athletic than he was before back injuries.


The list I've posted kills your list, if you don't think so you must be like 8 and don't even know what you're talking about.

You don't even post non-flawed arguments, all you do is hate, hate, hate :rolleyes: :facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

If you think this:

Dikembe Mutombo
Shaquile O' Neal
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Ben Wallace
Shawn Bradley
Theo Ratliff
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O' Neal
Elton Brand
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Andrei Kirilenko
Eric Dampier
Sam Dalembert
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Zydrunas Ilguaskas
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Brendan Haywood
Derrick Coleman
Robert Horry
Chris Dudley
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Yao Ming

Is better defensively/athletically, on average, than this:

Michael Cooper
Bobby Jones
Dennis Rodman
Julius Erving
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dominique Wilkins
Cliff Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Rodney McCray
Patrick Ewing
Mark Eaton
Larry Nance
Xavier McDaniel
Buck Williams
Orlando Woolridge
Horace Grant
James Worthy
Paul Pressey
Ralph Sampson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Terry Cummings
Kenny Walker
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Clyde Drexler
Marques Johnson
Dan Roundfield
Shawn Kemp
Marques Johnson
Jerome Kersey
Moses Malone
Calvin Natt
Lonnie Shelton
Bob McAdoo
Maurice Lucas
AC Green
Mychal Thompson
Artis Gilmore
Bob Lanier
Sidney Moncrief
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Caldwell Jones
Jack Sikma
Kevin Willis
Tree Rollins
Manute Bol
TR Dunn
Danny Vranes
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Charles Barkley
Walter Davis
Brad Daugherty

You don't know what you're talking about, you're just hating, or smoking some good sh!t

[SHAQisGOAT]

All I need to say is Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant or even Kevin Love.

Tim Duncan never really depended much on athleticism to begin with, still doing it at 36.

Dirk never was more athletic than Bird, taller yes but Bird's clearly above on all-around talent/skill, look at what Dirk did.

Kobe Bryant still doing it at 34, shouldn't he decrease pretty much by now since he lost plenty of athleticism? Plus Bird was almost 6'10.

If Love can average such numbers like he did last year, imagine Bird lol. Bird's really ahead on everything except rebounding, and Love was never more athletic than Bird.

:facepalm at these fcking haters man

[9erempiree]

If you think this:

Dikembe Mutombo
Shaquile O' Neal
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Ben Wallace
Shawn Bradley
Theo Ratliff
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O' Neal
Elton Brand
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Andrei Kirilenko
Eric Dampier
Sam Dalembert
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Zydrunas Ilguaskas
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Brendan Haywood
Derrick Coleman
Robert Horry
Chris Dudley
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Yao Ming

Is better defensively/athletically, on average, than this:

Michael Cooper
Bobby Jones
Dennis Rodman
Julius Erving
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dominique Wilkins
Cliff Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Rodney McCray
Patrick Ewing
Mark Eaton
Larry Nance
Xavier McDaniel
Buck Williams
Orlando Woolridge
Horace Grant
James Worthy
Paul Pressey
Ralph Sampson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Terry Cummings
Kenny Walker
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Clyde Drexler
Marques Johnson
Dan Roundfield
Shawn Kemp
Marques Johnson
Jerome Kersey
Moses Malone
Calvin Natt
Lonnie Shelton
Bob McAdoo
Maurice Lucas
AC Green
Mychal Thompson
Artis Gilmore
Bob Lanier
Sidney Moncrief
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Caldwell Jones
Jack Sikma
Kevin Willis
Tree Rollins
Manute Bol
TR Dunn
Danny Vranes
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Charles Barkley
Walter Davis
Brad Daugherty

You don't know what you're talking about, you're just hating, or smoking some good sh!t
Your list is garbage. Like I said, you have a lot of great players on the list but you also filling up your list with guys that shouldn't be on there.

Also, I didn't need to throw in guys who played G/F, who normally wouldn't even be guarding Bird.

At least my list consisted of guys that would be covering Bird and guys Bird would see in the paint.

No need to throw in guys like Dumars or Jordan because I will start to throw guys in there like Kobe or Wade and that's just scratching the surface. Want me throw in Iverson and Tmac?

My list comprise of players who were really good on defense.

[9erempiree]

I forgot to mention....Ron Artest. The man that destroyed freaking Michael Jordan. Abused him so bad to the point MJ got broken ribs.

You going to tell me Bird will do anything to Ron?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Your list is garbage. Like I said, you have a lot of great players on the list but you also filling up your list with guys that shouldn't be on there.

Also, I didn't need to throw in guys who played G/F, who normally wouldn't even be guarding Bird.

At least my list consisted of guys that would be covering Bird and guys Bird would see in the paint.

No need to throw in guys like Dumars or Jordan because I will start to throw guys in there like Kobe or Wade and that's just scratching the surface. Want me throw in Iverson and Tmac?

My list comprise of players who were really good on defense.

Yeah like Amare or Gasol :roll:

All of those dudes I've mentioned guarded Bird at some point or another, except for C's, little boy... lmao at the ignorance.

Dumars never guarded Bird all that I give you that, I've seen it happening a few times though but Jordan? Again lmao, saw the vid I posted? Jordan tried to guard Bird countless times just to get murdered in the post just like all the smaller, quicker guys who tried to guard him, even bigger got that treatment some times for that matter. MJ was like 6'6, like Tony Allen never did a good job against Durant, and that's even more disparity in height. Another flawed argument little kid.

My list didn't? Again if you knew anything you would know my list sh!ts all over yours. And you've actually mentioned dudes Bird faced LMAO, even if for a couple of years only.

You just present flaws, hating and hating :facepalm :roll:

[Round Mound]

The Only Player That Is Athletically More Inspiring of the 2000s or Lets Say EARLY 2000s, Because He Dropped His Level of Play In the Mid 2000s, Is SHAQ.

The Rest Have Nothing on 80s Players, Especially Skill Wise Which > Than Athletic Capacity.

This Aint a Dunking Contest or 100 Mt Race but a TEAM OF 5 INDIVIDUALS and More With the Bench Included.

Have We Seen a 7`4 Powerforward as Fast, Potent, With the Ballhandling Skills than 1983 Ralph Sampson Today?

Is There a 6`4 3/4 Ft Powerforward as Strong as a Center and as Fast as a Guard as 1984 Charls Barkley Dominating Today?

The 80s Had More Freak of Natures.

Shawn Kemp Was a 1989 Draft So a 1980s Player. And He Did His Best in the 90s Not the 2000s

Kareem`s Athletical Peak Was The 70s NOT the 80s. But He Was Still Dominant Till about 1985.

The Only 90s Star That Domianted the 90s Was Shaq for THe Rest It Took Till the NEXT DECADE TO WIN To Be Considered Top Class Acts While for Guys like Hakeem, Barkley, Jordan, Malone, Stockton, McHale,Worthy, Isiah, Magic, Bird, Drexler etc They Where Great Right Away.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I forgot to mention....Ron Artest. The man that destroyed freaking Michael Jordan. Abused him so bad to the point MJ got broken ribs.

You going to tell me Bird will do anything to Ron?

Now bringing 40 years old MJ? :oldlol: keep going kid

That physicality and agressive play, dudes these days are affraid of are not nothing to Bird who've seen all that and more in the 80's. Countless times I've saw him bleeding on the floor, or being hammered to the ground just to come back and play better. Ron Artest would be nothing Bird hasn't seen or played against.

[9erempiree]

I hate when people try to overrate Bird like he can dominate in this league. The fact of the matter is, he won't. That's why he's not mentioned or reminded as one of the greatest players of all time. Not like they do with MJ or Magic.

The fact of the matter is, all these kids claiming to watch Bird, I have watched him play and he was a dirty player that played in a weak era. Running and gunning was the norm in those days.

He was a wreckless and dirty player and shortened his career by playing this way. He would dive for the oppositions knees or throw his body at people's legs to take them out. Those are not hustle plays they are dirty tactics. He did to the point where he got into fights and got his @ss handed to him for it.

[SHAQisGOAT]

This mf'er mentioned
Divac
Dudley
Campbell
Who were drafted when Bird was still in the league and faced him or dudes that came right after like Webber, Bradley or Mutombo

And also got Amare on his top tier defensive list, just to name one, then saying his sh!tty list beats the one I've mentioned, that mine is weak lmao

Mentioning 40 yo MJ

Saying Jordan never guarded Bird, or that is easy because a dude like Tony Allen never guarded a dude like Durant

Not even answering my arguments. Still wanting to know the answer to the Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, Love post

Then comes up thinking he knows what he's talking about... :roll: :roll: :roll:

My discussion with you is over son, you're just one ignorant hater, keep on.:facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

I hate when people try to overrate Bird like he can dominate in this league. The fact of the matter is, he won't. That's why he's not mentioned or reminded as one of the greatest players of all time. Not like they do with MJ or Magic.

The fact of the matter is, all these kids claiming to watch Bird, I have watched him play and he was a dirty player that played in a weak era. Running and gunning was the norm in those days.

He was a wreckless and dirty player and shortened his career by playing this way. He would dive for the oppositions knees or throw his body at people's legs to take them out. Those are not hustle plays they are dirty tactics. He did to the point where he got into fights and got his @ss handed to him for it.

:wtf: one of the worst posts ever

Bird not mentioned as one of the GOATS? :biggums: Not like they do with MJ or Magic ahahaha

No you didn't watch him little boy. The rest of the post is just lies, plain BS made up stuff by a little boy who only watch like 1 min of Bird's highlights then say he watched him lmao.

Read my last post and face it, you got owned, go to bed now.

[9erempiree]

This mf'er mentioned
Divac
Dudley
Campbell
Who were drafted when Bird was still in the league and faced him or dudes that came right after like Webber, Bradley or Mutombo

And also got Amare on his top tier defensive list, just to name one, then saying his sh!tty list beats the one I've mentioned, that mine is weak lmao

Mentioning 40 yo MJ

Saying Jordan never guarded Bird, or that is easy because a dude like Tony Allen never guarded a dude like Durant

Not even answering my arguments. Still wanting to know the answer to the Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, Love post

Then comes up thinking he knows what he's talking about... :roll: :roll: :roll:

My discussion with you is over son, you're just one ignorant hater, keep on.:facepalm

More incoherent rambling.

[9erempiree]

:wtf: one of the worst posts ever

Bird not mentioned as one of the GOATS? :biggums: Not like they do with MJ or Magic ahahaha

No you didn't watch him little boy. The rest of the post is just lies, plain BS made up stuff by a little boy who only watch like 1 min of Bird's highlights then say he watched him lmao.

Read my last post and face it, you got owned, go to bed now.

Possibly under the influence.

[SHAQisGOAT]

More incoherent rambling.

So what all you've said like even as far as mentioning players Bird faced, I'm incoherent?


Possibly under the influence.

Now even worse you resort to pointless comments after those flawed, ignorant arguments.

Face it, you got owned, couldn't reply to anything and when you did it was just wrong or flawed statements, you don't know what you're talking about and you just being a hater.

Keep on with the program... :lol

[9erempiree]

Now even worse you resort to pointless comments after those flawed, ignorant arguments.

Face it, you got owned, couldn't reply to anything and when you did it was just wrong or flawed statements, you don't know what you're talking about and you just being a hater.

Keep on with the program... :lol
I'm sorry but I get stupider by the seconds reading some of the childish comments you make. How can I have a discussion with you seriously.

Also, factor in RoundMound's need to capitalize every damn word in a sentence.

Mind facked.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I'm sorry but I get stupider by the seconds reading some of the childish comments you make. How can I have a discussion with you seriously.

Also, factor in RoundMound's need to capitalize every damn word in a sentence.

Mind facked.

Last response to you gotta be: you got owned little boy.

[Round Mound]

I hate when people try to overrate Bird like he can dominate in this league. The fact of the matter is, he won't. That's why he's not mentioned or reminded as one of the greatest players of all time. Not like they do with MJ or Magic.

I Don`t Hate It But I Laugh and Feel Ashamed of Kiddos Today Trying to Say That Bird Would Not Dominate The Game Today. Please Be Quite If You Never Watched Bird Play! :rant

Lets Remember his 1992 Stat Line for the Season When he was 35, had Aquilies Tendon Injured and Back Problems that Most Players Would have Retired the Next Week They Got Them if They Could.

Magic? Magic Hismelf Has Mentioned That Bird Was Better than Him In Their Respective Primes.

Here is What Magic Said About Bird:

"When I Played...Larry Bird Was The Only I Feared...Alot of Black Guys Say To Me...Could Larry Bird Really Play That Good?...MAN! LARRY BIRD...WAS SO GOOD, IT WAS FREIGHTNING" :sleeping

I Think Magic Knows What He is Talking About Or Does He Not? :hammerhead:

The fact of the matter is, all these kids claiming to watch Bird, I have watched him play and he was a dirty player that played in a weak era. Running and gunning was the norm in those days.

How come the Overal FG% Was Higher in the 80s Than Today With More Physical Defenses and a More of a Running Game?

-Teams Must Learn When To Shoot and When Not Too (unlike todays 3point fests)
-Teams That Are Good, Learn How To Run and Gun. It Depends on What Types of Players You Have To Do So Or Not So.

He was a wreckless and dirty player and shortened his career by playing this way. He would dive for the oppositions knees or throw his body at people's legs to take them out. Those are not hustle plays they are dirty tactics. He did to the point where he got into fights and got his @ss handed to him for it

Its Called Toughness and Bird Wanted to Win at What Ever Cost and He Did 3 Times vs REAL HOF TEAMS unlike the Stars of Today. Yes He Was Dirty (so was Stockton, so was Malone, so was Charles Oakley etc) Who Cares You Take The Advantage You Have and Need In Order to Win.

From 1979 to 1986 There Was No Better Player. NO BETTER PLAYER.

Kids Like To Remember the 1988-1992 Bird Full of Back and Knee Injuries Instead of the Other Healthy and Prime Bird. That Bird OWNED THE LEAGUE.

[SHAQisGOAT]

MJ nailed it when he said this, in the Larry/Magic book:

"People ask me all the time who my all-time five top players are, and when I start saying Larry, some interrupt me. They say, 'You've got to be kidding me. He can't play with Lebron James!' I tell them 'You guys don't get it. Larry is far better than any small forward who played the game, and to be honest, I'm still not sure if he is a small forward or a power forward.'
To appreciate Bird fully, you need to know the game. You have to be a basketball person to be able to give him his due. He's not jumping out of the gymn (...) That's why some people can't see the value of his game. Now, is that racial? I suppose you could see it that way since he doesn't possess the athleticism of some of the black guys in the league, but I never bought that.
If you walk into Madison Square Garden, a mecca of basketball, and said, 'What do you think of Larry Bird's game?' the answer is going to be, 'He's great because he can do so much.' And that has nothing to do with the color of his skin."

Haters gotta hate, even though they can never put out a clear response to some of the arguments I've and others made in this thread.

[9erempiree]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

Ahahaha, only you and that other dude said that, and you don't even respond to none of my arguments plus you present flawed arguments and don't know what you're saying. Also this is a forum where many dudes can have alternate accounts.

KLovin
Micku
King1991nba
WillC
Pushxx
colts19

Were having the contrary of your opinion, only one dude witcha, so again, you say nothing but lies.



Face it, people that know b-ball, say that Bird could dominate in any era. Even if you like to hate, go to bed now.

[Round Mound]

RoundMound and Shaqisgoat Are Probably One of the Few Persons On This Site That Are Over 30 and Remember Bird Playing.

[Cali Syndicate]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

Bird could probably put up something like 25/8/5 on 50%/35%/85%.

Bird was an impact player in the 80's. That wouldn't change if he played in this era.

Zones? Bird was shooter and excellent off the ball. Get the zone moving to stop Bird from scoring, he'll beat you with a great pass. Shooters, good off the ball movement and and great passing is how you beat a zone. Bird would be tough to defend with a zone.

Quicker lateral movement on the perimeter? Bird was a crafty scorer and had a great post up game. Ambidextrous as fcuk too. Also he wasn't about trying to beat guys off isolation on the perimeter anyways so not sure why that matters.

This thread has a lot of biased opinions and you're no different.

As for the bold, other threads that have talked about this would prove you wrong.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bird could probably put up something like 25/8/5 on 50%/35%/85%.

Bird was an impact player in the 80's. That wouldn't change if he played in this era.

Zones? Bird was shooter and excellent off the ball. Get the zone moving to stop Bird from scoring, he'll beat you with a great pass. Shooters, good off the ball movement and and great passing is how you beat a zone. Bird would be tough to defend with a zone.

Quicker lateral movement on the perimeter? Bird was a crafty scorer and had a great post up game. Ambidextrous as fcuk too. Also he wasn't about trying to beat guys off isolation on the perimeter anyways so not sure why that matters.

This thread has a lot of biased opinions and you're no different.

As for the bold, other threads that have talked about this would prove you wrong.

Well said

He could've easily average, at least!, something like 26.0/9.4/6.5/1.7/0.8 on 50%/40%/90%, in his prime, right now.

As far as pace, I saw this the other day, shows he pretty much averaged the same at a pace similar to what it is right now, back then (75 games, average pace of 93.0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1M--HaINA

[9erempiree]

Im not hating on bird cuz he would be a servicable player like adam morrison or jj redick.

Sorry for the typing as im not at home and on my phone.

I will discuss further till some honeys walk into the sports bar i am at.

[Rake2204]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.I cannot know for sure, but I would bet there is a very, very significant amount of people who disagree with your opinion but opt not to become involved in this strange back and forth you guys are having. It can be tough to gauge whether people are being serious with their posts or if they are just being goofballs for fun, so many just decide to hang back and watch it go.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I cannot know for sure, but I would bet there is a very, very significant amount of people who disagree with your opinion but opt not to become involved in this strange back and forth you guys are having. It can be tough to gauge whether people are being serious with their posts or if they are just being goofballs for fun, so many just decide to hang back and watch it go.

Dude's like 11 and a major troll plus only comes up with lies.

[Micku]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

Bird said himself that he would play PF today because it's less physical. He had great footwork, great passing ability, great shooting. He would more than likely be great because he had the skills and probably still average similar stats, but we don't know for sure. He definitely have the skills and see people who were more athletic than him 80s like Dr.J, Wilkins, Pippen, H.Grant, James Worthy and etc who were not better than him despite being more athletic.

His last year in the NBA while dealing with all of those injuries really add to his legacy and proves what he could do. And when he first came into the league and ppl back then thought there is no way he could hang with the athletic guys in the NBA too. One of the Celtics team doctors said he was broken goods because his finger broken at about a 90-degree angle. After the surgery, he still had a permanently bent finger. They thought he couldn't shoot or handle the ball. He proved them wrong of course.

If Barkley didn't play until the late 90s/early 00s and stopped in the early 90s, I'll bet you would say there is no way a 6'4-6'6 guy could average 10 rpg in today's league.

But I don't know whatever you are trolling or you genuinely believe what you are saying. Regardless, Bird already proved that he could play against guys who are more athletic and who could defend. Those guys played in the 90s and in the early 00s.

[9erempiree]

I cannot know for sure, but I would bet there is a very, very significant amount of people who disagree with your opinion but opt not to become involved in this strange back and forth you guys are having. It can be tough to gauge whether people are being serious with their posts or if they are just being goofballs for fun, so many just decide to hang back and watch it go.

a kobe vs mj thread will start debates amongst both sides.

These larry bird dominating in todays era threads wont spark much debate cuz a majority has the same opinion as i do

[Cali Syndicate]

Im not hating on bird cuz he would be a servicable player like adam morrison or jj redick.

Sorry for the typing as im not at home and on my phone.

I will discuss further till some honeys walk into the sports bar i am at.

Not hating yet a top 10 GOAT would be a Adam Morrison JJ Redick caliber player in today's game. Why front? You're a hater. Be straight with it at least.

[Miller for 3]

a kobe vs mj thread will start debates amongst both sides.

These larry bird dominating in todays era threads wont spark much debate cuz a majority has the same opinion as i do

I have to say, out of all of your troll accounts Pauk, this one is the worst. Doesn't post anything funny and the stupidity you use makes it too obvious. Go back to your RRR3 or Statuatory accounts

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not hating yet a top 10 GOAT would be a Adam Morrison JJ Redick caliber player in today's game. Why front? You're a hater. Be straight with it at least.

He's a troll. Big difference. Kid is working y'all like puppets. :facepalm

[9erempiree]

He's a troll. Big difference. Kid is working y'all like puppets. :facepalm

lol @ thinkimg im trolling.

I have a passion to teach and educate. You think i would waste my time trolling when i can do it with a thread with one sentence.

[Round Mound]

Bird said himself that he would play PF today because it's less physical. He had great footwork, great passing ability, great shooting. He would more than likely be great because he had the skills and probably still average similar stats, but we don't know for sure. He definitely have the skills and see people who were more athletic than him 80s like Dr.J, Wilkins, Pippen, H.Grant, James Worthy and etc who were not better than him despite being more athletic.

His last year in the NBA while dealing with all of those injuries really add to his legacy and proves what he could do. And when he first came into the league and ppl back then thought there is no way he could hang with the athletic guys in the NBA too. One of the Celtics team doctors said he was broken goods because his finger broken at about a 90-degree angle. After the surgery, he still had a permanently bent finger. They thought he couldn't shoot or handle the ball. He proved them wrong of course.

If Barkley didn't play until the late 90s/early 00s and stopped in the early 90s, I'll bet you would say there is no way a 6'4-6'6 guy could average 10 rpg in today's league.

But I don't know whatever you are trolling or you genuinely believe what you are saying. Regardless, Bird already proved that he could play against guys who are more athletic and who could defend. Those guys played in the 90s and in the early 00s.

:applause:

[TheBigVeto]

Dude's like 11 and a major troll plus only comes up with lies.

He's not a troll.
Just a retard.
Just ignore him and move on.
Basically he will just post the opposite of the honest truth and thinks it's correct.

[9erempiree]

He's not a troll.
Just a retard.
Just ignore him and move on.
Basically he will just post the opposite of the honest truth and thinks it's correct.


Get out of here with your crap.

You provide nothing. Contribute or shutdown the computer.

[bukowski81]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

Dude just because nobody bothers to argue this stupid point you are making means that they agree with you.

Everybody that has watched a bit of basketball knows that Bird would be a great player in any era.

[TheBigVeto]

Get out of here with your crap.

You provide nothing. Contribute or shutdown the computer.

It is you who provide nothing, phaggit.

[scandisk_]

I have to say, out of all of your troll accounts Pauk, this one is the worst. Doesn't post anything funny and the stupidity you use makes it too obvious. Go back to your RRR3 or Statuatory accounts

Nah, pauk and r3 ain't the same dude. But still +rep

[Pushxx]

Also, nobody here disagrees with me but the two of you, RoundMound and Shaqisgoat.

Like I said, most popular opinion believe that Bird won't dominate, only you two believe this. That's why nobody is here to say Bird will dominate.

What the actual ****?

Bird would unquestionably dominate.

In a league where Steve Novak is one of the most effective three-point shooters, Larry Bird would torch today's NBA.

In a league where Kevin Love is one of the best rebounders and among the best players...

In a league where Paul Pierce is still in the top 10 in scoring at age 35...

Put in Larry Legend whose peak is one of the best peaks in the history of sports. Put in Larry Legend who torched the league when it had tougher rules and tougher defenders.

[LA Lakers]

Best perimeter defender of the 80s was Coop. And Round Mound, why argue with dis kid? No one could guard Bird. No one. All you could do was hope he didnt get his.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's a troll. Big difference. Kid is working y'all like puppets. :facepalm

Yeah, it was kinda obvious.

Didn't really expect the serious responses to him.

[9erempiree]

Like I said earlier, I brought up an argument and like most people on here, they will agree with me that Bird will not dominate this league. I have brought up many points in this discussion.

The fact that I brought this and people giving 5 stars to this thread is a reason why I am right. Most people agree with me.

Why are people 5 starring a thread that is predominantly myself telling you guys why Bird wouldn't dominate? It's because I'm right.

5 stars to a thread with a YT video? I don't think so when I have hi-jacked it with facts why he wouldn't dominate?

Again, read the the thread in it's entirety and come at me again.

[KOBE143]

Bird in this era would be similar to this guy at best..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3acRHUf5sY

Similar games, skillset, fundamentals and almost the same athleticism.. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Asukal]

a kobe vs mj thread will start debates amongst both sides.

These larry bird dominating in todays era threads wont spark much debate cuz a majority has the same opinion as i do

Keep dreaming. Most knowledgeable fans don't agree with your idiocy. We won't even bother to educate you, since nothing gets to your tiny brain. If you know basketball like we do, you'd know Bird would be great in any era. :oldlol:

The trolling of these young stans are amusing and all but mods should really start banning these clowns. :facepalm