Can we stop this "lebron is the best in the nba by a landslide" plz

[Umad101]

Yes he's is the best player in the nba, but saying "by a landslide" and "not even close" is just :facepalm especially considering how well Kobe, Durant, and melo is playing or better

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://www.lilomaternity.com/blog/images/baby-crying.jpg

[tmacattack33]

Nope. He really is winning by a landslide. The 3 of them are playing well and the 2-4 spots are better this year than they were last year.

But it's obvious he's number one and it's simple to see why. He is in the same category as those guys as scorers (he'd probably be right behind them as number 4 in the league as a scorer), but he's also top 3 in passing, while the rest of them don't even make top 20 there...and Melo and Durant may not even make top 50 there.

[tommy3]

How the hell can you call it close when there is not a single rational basketball fan that doesn't think he's the best?

[Young X]

Melo is not on Lebron and Durant's level. Stop it.

[Human Error]

Yes he's is the best player in the nba, but saying "by a landslide" and "not even close" is just :facepalm especially considering how well Kobe, Durant, and melo is playing or better
Kobe :lol

[BuffaloBill]

Statwise, Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.

27.7ppg 8.5rpg 4.2apg 1.4bpg 1.2spg 52% FG 44% 3pt FG 90% FT


Durant is having an insane year stat wise. And his team is sitting on top of the league. He's easily the best player so far this year.

[SyRyanYang]

Durant's been better so far this year. On both ends of the floor

[The-Legend-24]

He's not. Shit, Durant might already be the best player in the league.

[Clifton]

Statwise, Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.

27.7ppg 8.5rpg 4.2apg 1.4bpg 1.2spg 52% FG 44% 3pt FG 90% FT


Durant is having an insane year stat wise. And his team is sitting on top of the league. He's easily the best player so far this year.
Cool.

And Lebron is the best player in the league.

Durant could shoot 60-50-95 and Lebron would still be better. There's nothing Durant can do; he just happens to be in the NBA at the same time as one of the all-time tier-1 players. It wasn't Karl Malone's or Hakeem's fault they played at the same time as MJ. But it meant they couldn't be the best player in the NBA no matter what they did.

Only Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Lebron have known what it was like to be on top of the league for an extended period of time. It's a rare thing. Lebron is the player of this generation, will be for the forseeable future. Maybe if Lebron gets hurt or declines Durant will have a brief time at the top like Hakeem and Duncan did. But he's not the player of our generation.

[crisoner]

I got LeBron on top with Durant right behind.

No landslides in the NBA.

[BlueandGold]

Uh no Durant is better and means much more to his team.

[Nash]

There is nothing Durant is better at except midrange j and 3 point shooting.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Cool.

And Lebron is the best player in the league.

Durant could shoot 60-50-95 and Lebron would still be better. There's nothing Durant can do; he just happens to be in the NBA at the same time as one of the all-time tier-1 players. It wasn't Karl Malone's or Hakeem's fault they played at the same time as MJ. But it meant they couldn't be the best player in the NBA no matter what they did.

Only Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Lebron have known what it was like to be on top of the league for an extended period of time. It's a rare thing. Lebron is the player of this generation, will be for the forseeable future. Maybe if Lebron gets hurt or declines Durant will have a brief time at the top like Hakeem and Duncan did. But he's not the player of our generation.

The difference between those players and Lebron of course is multiple championships. :confusedshrug:

[lilgodfather1]

I wouldn't say by far this year considering Durant's outstanding season, but LeBron is having a great season too. When a guy goes out and can average 25/9/6 on 54% shooting it's pretty insane.

[BrickingStar]

Statwise, Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.

27.7ppg 8.5rpg 4.2apg 1.4bpg 1.2spg 52% FG 43% 3pt FG 90% FT


Durant is having an insane year stat wise. And his team is sitting on top of the league. He's easily the best player so far this year.
Nearly the same as lebron.




PPG APG RPG BPG SPG FG% Turnover Minutes PER
Durant 27.7 4.2 8.5 1.4 1.5 .519 3.5 39.5 28.11
LeBron 25.2 6.9 8.5 0.9 1.2 .537 2.5 37.8 28.97

[BuffaloBill]

Durant could shoot 60-50-95 and Lebron would still be better. There's nothing Durant can do.


I agree. That's exactly the problem the OP is pointing out. It doesn't matter how good Durant plays, some people will never admit that he is playing better than Bron. I'm not a fan of either, I can admit that Durant is quickly closing the gap, he's right there with Lebron. Durant is actually playing better than Lebron this season. But not everyone can admit that. People are too afraid of change.

[poido123]

He's not. Shit, Durant might already be the best player in the league.

you just hate lebron since your a kobe fan :facepalm:

In fact most of the anti lebron posts here are from Kobe's children :lol:

[Clifton]

The difference between those players and Lebron of course is multiple championships.
Not really. A lot of those guys were obviously the best before they had multiple championships.

[poido123]

As for Lebron and durant winning it, Id be happy to see it settled by a matchup against each other later in the season. We know how that went in the finals last year, Durant was like a turnstile with his weak frame.

[Clifton]

I agree. That's exactly the problem the OP is pointing out. It doesn't matter how good Durant plays, some people will never admit that he is playing better than Bron. I'm not a fan of either, I can admit that Durant is quickly closing the gap, he's right there with Lebron. Durant is actually playing better than Lebron this season. But not everyone can admit that. People are too afraid of change.
I simply don't care who happens be shooting better or scoring a bit more than the best player in the NBA at any given time. If I were swayed in my judgments by numbers or by hot streaks, I would have a poor sense of what I was watching when I turn a game on.

Lebron is playing the best defense in the NBA at his position, and he's the best overall offensive creator in the NBA. And the Heat's offensive dynamics and chemistry are through the roof. Just because they happen not to have won quite as many games as the Thunder (who have played almost all their games at home) does not all of a sudden mean Durant is better. If Lebron's "coasting" right now, so be it.

Remember when Duncan was putting up barely 20/10, and he was still the best player in the league no matter what gaudy stats and hot streaks other guys would have? Lebron has reached that point. It doesn't matter if Kevin Love is having a 25/15 month; he's still not better than prime Duncan.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Not really. A lot of those guys were obviously the best before they had multiple championships.

Not really. All of them earned that distinction of over multiple playoff runs ending in championships. If Harden shows up last Finals and Durant had won the title Durant would have had the mythical best in the NBA moniker right now.

[BuffaloBill]

Not really. All of them earned that distinction of over multiple playoff runs ending in championships. If Harden shows up last Finals and Durant had won the title Durant would have had the mythical best in the NBA moniker right now.


That's definitely true. Everyone knows it.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not by a landslide but he clearly is the best in the league right now

[lilgodfather1]

Not really. All of them earned that distinction of over multiple playoff runs ending in championships. If Harden shows up last Finals and Durant had won the title Durant would have had the mythical best in the NBA moniker right now.
Sure, and if LeBron had won a title in 2009 (steroid gate), 2010 (quit gate), 2011 (choke gate), and 2012 he'd be a 4 time FMVP right now.

[BuffaloBill]

Sure, and if LeBron had won a title in 2009 (steroid gate), 2010 (quit gate), 2011 (choke gate), and 2012 he'd be a 4 time FMVP right now.


LeBron might be considered GOAT or 2nd GOAT right now if that were the case :lol

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron might be considered GOAT or 2nd GOAT right now if that were the case :lol
Sadly, it seriously was a possibility in 2009, and 2010 for the Cavs to win titles. I can't really speculate how they would have faired in the ECF, but since Boston went to the finals in 2010 if LeBron hadn't quit gate on us it's not outlandish to say the Cavs could have went to the finals as well. In 2009 Shard should have been suspended, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

As for 2011 again it was a real possibility lol.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cool.

And Lebron is the best player in the league.

Durant could shoot 60-50-95 and Lebron would still be better. There's nothing Durant can do; he just happens to be in the NBA at the same time as one of the all-time tier-1 players. It wasn't Karl Malone's or Hakeem's fault they played at the same time as MJ. But it meant they couldn't be the best player in the NBA no matter what they did.

Only Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Lebron have known what it was like to be on top of the league for an extended period of time. It's a rare thing. Lebron is the player of this generation, will be for the forseeable future. Maybe if Lebron gets hurt or declines Durant will have a brief time at the top like Hakeem and Duncan did. But he's not the player of our generation.


Delusional :lol

[TheBigVeto]

OP is :Mad:

[Derka]

Durant's stats are better and his team's on a sickening winning streak, along with having the best record in the League. Right now, Lebron's not the best. The year is still young though.

[Doctor Rivers]

Cool.

And Lebron is the best player in the league.

Durant could shoot 60-50-95 and Lebron would still be better. There's nothing Durant can do; he just happens to be in the NBA at the same time as one of the all-time tier-1 players. It wasn't Karl Malone's or Hakeem's fault they played at the same time as MJ. But it meant they couldn't be the best player in the NBA no matter what they did.

Only Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Lebron have known what it was like to be on top of the league for an extended period of time. It's a rare thing. Lebron is the player of this generation, will be for the forseeable future. Maybe if Lebron gets hurt or declines Durant will have a brief time at the top like Hakeem and Duncan did. But he's not the player of our generation.

Did ya get enough of lebron's dick from this post?

[tmacattack33]

Sadly, it seriously was a possibility in 2009, and 2010 for the Cavs to win titles. I can't really speculate how they would have faired in the ECF, but since Boston went to the finals in 2010 if LeBron hadn't quit gate on us it's not outlandish to say the Cavs could have went to the finals as well. In 2009 Shard should have been suspended, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

As for 2011 again it was a real possibility lol.

Well Lebron winning in Cleveland and again in 2011 would not have happened.

If he won in Cleveland, he likely woulda stayed there.

You can't just go back and redo history like that. Each event affected the next event.

You can't even say that if Lebron showed up in Dallas, he'd have two rings right now. Maybe if he won in 2011, he wouldn'tna been so hungry in 2012. Also, if Miami won in 2011 Dallas mighta done something different in the offseason and maybe they woulda won in 2012.

[ihoopallday]

Who cares. LeBron already proved multiple times he can dominate the regular season. It's all about those championships now. Durant can have the regular season accolades.

[lilgodfather1]

Well Lebron winning in Cleveland and again in 2011 would not have happened.

If he won in Cleveland, he likely woulda stayed there.

You can't just go back and redo history like that. Each event affected the next event.

You can't even say that if Lebron showed up in Dallas, he'd have two rings right now. Maybe if he won in 2011, he wouldn'tna been so hungry in 2012. Also, if Miami won in 2011 Dallas mighta done something different in the offseason and maybe they woulda won in 2012.
LeBron couldn't have left Cleveland if they'd won in those two years, but selling Cleveland to Bosh would have been much easier, and likely would have sparked a dynasty. The Raptors, and Cavs had a trade in mind for Bosh going to Cleveland in the 2010 offseason, so who the hell knows. What could have been a Cavs dynasty was possibly ruined by the league not taking proper action against PED use.

[tmacattack33]

Lebron just had an amazing game. Hardly missed at all and had Miami up by exactly 30 points by the end of the third.

So get the F outta here with this nonsense that KD's been better this year.

[chazzy]

Lebron just had an amazing game. Hardly missed at all and had Miami up by exactly 30 points by the end of the third.

So get the F outta here with this nonsense that KD's been better this year.
So is this gonna get bumped by both sides after every game? "See? Durant was BALLING tonight. Get outta here!"

[lebeast666]

Lol he is though.

Miami been taking it easy so far and Lebrons just clipping his nails on the bench patiently waiting for the playoffs

[tmacattack33]

So is this gonna get bumped by both sides after every game? "See? Durant was BALLING tonight. Get outta here!"

LOL.

Well actually for now, we're only 25 games into the season and so each game is 1/25th of the whole argument. So, a ridiculously good game like Lebron had tonight (he only played in 3 quarters due to the gigantic blow out...9/13 or 24 points, 9 assists, 5 assists...only bad part was 5 turnovers but the amazing shooting makes up for that) is a pretty big deal at this point.

[red1]

http://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/files/2011/05/11_05-Wyoming-1.jpg

[Hoopz2332]

Statwise, Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.

27.7ppg 8.5rpg 4.2apg 1.4bpg 1.2spg 52% FG 44% 3pt FG 90% FT


Durant is having an insane year stat wise. And his team is sitting on top of the league. He's easily the best player so far this year.


Lebron has been better than Durant

25 ppg

54 FG%:eek:

9 rbs

7 ast

only 2.5 turnovers



Lebron > Durant

[Mr. Jabbar]

I've never considered him the best :confusedshrug:

Kobe@34
Durant

Are far above lebron...

[DaSeba5]

LOL this thread.

[red1]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wc_62P4a1zI/TaxDRTpfd8I/AAAAAAAAAAg/RG0J1iwmHQM/s1600/landslide.jpg

[plowking]

I've never considered him the best :confusedshrug:

Kobe@34
Durant

Are far above lebron...

Yes, but the opinions of professional fa660ts such as yourself are not taken into consideration. So your point is invalid.

[KOBE143]

He's not the best player.. To all his stans, stop dreaming the impossible.. He has no case over Kobe as the best.. Maybe over Durant but still KD has the edge..

[Mr Clutch Melo]

I love how the Kobe-stans have moved to supporting Durant as the best player in the league cuz Kobe has no case anymore and they refuse to give Lebron the credit he deserves.

LEBRON IS BY FAR THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA. DEAL WITH IT:pimp:

[poido123]

I love how the Kobe-stans have moved to supporting Durant as the best player in the league cuz Kobe has no case anymore and they refuse to give Lebron the credit he deserves.

LEBRON IS BY FAR THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA. DEAL WITH IT:pimp:

:lol:

This.

Very insecure Kobe-stans don't want Lebron to succeed anymore. They realise that he is the best player in the game and stands in Kobe's way of accomplishments, maybe even out of the top 10 all time.

[Eric Cartman]

I've never considered him the best :confusedshrug:

Kobe@34
Durant

Are far above lebron...

Shut up you troll.

[red1]

I've never considered him the best :confusedshrug:

Kobe@34
Durant

Are far above lebron...

He's not the best player.. To all his stans, stop dreaming the impossible.. He has no case over Kobe as the best.. Maybe over Durant but still KD has the edge..

http://www.gbcdecatur.org/files/SaltySaints.jpg

[Hoopz2332]

He's not the best player.. To all his stans, stop dreaming the impossible.. He has no case over Kobe as the best.. Maybe over Durant but still KD has the edge..


http://i.imgur.com/gEsaj.jpg

[Y2Gezee]

Lebron is absolutely not light years ahead of the competition.

As I've known and said for a while. The 3 best players in the NBA are the 3 best SFs, and it fluctuates. All 3 make their teammates better, and can dominate themselves. All 3 have different body types, strengths and weaknesses that allow them to dominate and make guys better in their own ways.

Lebron's vision and passing is much better than the other 2, but he's still clumsy in the post and can't really play offense without dominating the ball. His shooting, and playmaking is best off the bounce. He's improved his shooting, but he's too rhythmic based in order to be a catch and shoot guy you can rely on. He's a bit stiff and not a really good man to man defender, but his overall athleticism and speed makes him a great team defender when you let him roam off of a weak assignment allowing for many blocks and steals. And of course in a world where people can't read a game without a stat sheet, those stats are important. His overall effort defensively, combined with his dominance on offense I think makes him consistently the best player right now. But, on any given night that can change.

Melo has an elite level post game. He's even given certain pfs fits in the post offensively at times with his back to the basket or facing up. He's one of the most complete offensive weapons ever when you look at his skillset and the fact that he can actually produce these skills on the court night in and out. He has the ability to play point forward (which is why people cry about his assists numbers), but he makes guy better by playing inside. The coverage he gets cripples coverages, and then it just depends on how his teammates take advantage of that whether its through driving lanes or shooting the ball. Not to mention, he's one of the best shooters in the league also, and he's been so good there this year teams are doubling him out to the 3pt line with just the threat of a pass towards him. All he's got to do is give it up and allow his teammates to take advantage. That's the beauty of his game, and his style. He knows he can get hot, so he allows himself to be a decoy and let's his teammates work, and has the versatility to simply fit into an offense and dominate, as well as be aggressive looking for his shot. And that is why this Knicks team works. He's the only player that can get his own shot consistently, but he has bought in and plays his role as a shooter or post decoy and allows his teammates to take advantage, and picks his spots when to takeover. I just don't like that he doesn't put in more effort for rebounds...I think it's harder in the 4 spot for him as he's focusing on boxing out bigger players (which is very important) to allow guards to crash the glass, but he's a guy that could truly average 8 or 9 boards for his career, as if there's a rebound that needs to be had he's the one of these guys I'd trust to get it the most. His defense IMO has always been very good man to man, but he's improved his team D in NY as Woodson has actually installed a defensive system.

KD simply can fill it up. The best shooter of the 3, the tallest of the 3, and has 2 guard like handles, and driving/passing ability. The model of consistency in terms of scoring. Smart enough to realize that he can dominate off the ball, smart enough to know he should use his guard like skills to make others better, smart enough to realize that he can use Westbrooks aggressiveness to make himself better. I do sometimes feel his lack of aggressiveness offensively throughout the game can hurt his team, and he needs to pick his spots more often and better. Westbrook should not be the top option on that team. Clearly their objective is to make it even as possible, but on nights when they struggle it's Westbrook who is the aggressor and trying to will them into games.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I've never considered him the best :confusedshrug:

Kobe@34
Durant

Are far above lebron...
:roll: :roll: This guy always makes my day. Except he is a troll, he is also one of the most stupid Kobetards on this forum. :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Remember when Lebron projectionists used to wax poetic about efficiency, having lesser teammates and regular season win loss records.

One title with the best 2-3 in the league and suddenly things change :oldlol:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Remember when Lebron projectionists used to wax poetic about efficiency, having lesser teammates and regular season win loss records.

One title with the best 2-3 in the league and suddenly things change :oldlol:
Like it or not, Lebron was the best player in this league since his 2nd year and its not even close.

[dunksby]

Durant has been better this season, only LeBron fanboys would object.

[Legends66NBA7]

It wasn't Karl Malone's or Hakeem's fault they played at the same time as MJ. But it meant they couldn't be the best player in the NBA no matter what they did.

Malone never was going to be the best player in the league even after Jordan left for a first and second time. Hakeem was there in the mid 90s... Even when he won the MVP in 1999, he dropped the ball and got owned by the likes of Brain Grant and Rasheed Wallace on the blocks come playoff time.

[LoneyROY7]

Remember when Lebron projectionists used to wax poetic about efficiency, having lesser teammates and regular season win loss records.

One title with the best 2-3 in the league and suddenly things change :oldlol:

He's still producing at an absurdly efficient rate.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Like it or not, Lebron was the best player in this league since his 2nd year and its not even close.

If the Heat bring home the title this year Lebron will have matched Kobe's 3 finals, 2 titles run from 08-10 only against weaker competition and with better teammates.

:confusedshrug:

[LEFT4DEAD]

If the Heat bring home the title this year Lebron will have matched Kobe's 3 finals, 2 titles run from 08-10 only against weaker competition and with better teammates.

:confusedshrug:
Orlando fcking Magic :roll: :roll: :roll:
Boston with injuries :roll: :roll: :roll:
This is one of the most competitive eras ever. And not to mention Lebron's last year performance against Indiana without Bosh, and his finals.
Lebron's first finals' winning performance is already better than anything Kobe did in his 17 years long career. You must feel very desperate. :lol

[chazzy]

Like it or not, Lebron was the best player in this league since his 2nd year and its not even close.
You could argue he wasn't even top 2 until 09, when he was the best.

[knicksman]

Lebron may have higher impact as an individual but as a team impact, he reduces the impact of his teammates. thats why wade is now playing like a scrub. Lebron really is not the best player in terms of impact. Thats the reason why he joined miami coz he was becoming the laughing stock of the league winning 2 mvps without the ring to show for it. I dont know why people are fascinated with triple doubles. Last time I check oscar didnt won any ring as the man. Bird won most of his titles at the early stage of his career rather than in his prime while jordan can definitely average triple doubles yet hes having more of an impact when he focused on scoring. If theres one player right now thats closest to jordan imo its durant whos a better scorer than lebron.

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron may have higher impact as an individual but as a team impact, he reduces the impact of his teammates. thats why wade is now playing like a scrub. Lebron really is not the best player in terms of impact. Thats the reason why he joined miami coz he was becoming the laughing stock of the league winning 2 mvps without the ring to show for it. I dont know why people are fascinated with triple doubles. Last time I check oscar didnt won any ring as the man. Bird won most of his titles at the early stage of his career rather than in his prime while jordan can definitely average triple doubles yet hes having more of an impact when he focused on scoring. If theres one player right now thats closest to jordan imo its durant whos a better scorer than lebron.


LMFAO :roll:


Yeah, lebron's impact isn't that great..he got that cavs team to win back to back 60 wins seasons with his 2nd best player being Mo Williams. Ibaka and Westbrook are both better than anything Lebron ever played with on the Cavs:oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

If the Heat bring home the title this year Lebron will have matched Kobe's 3 finals, 2 titles run from 08-10 only against weaker competition and with better teammates.

:confusedshrug:
whatever helps you sleep f@990t

[ripthekik]

Orlando fcking Magic :roll:
Boston with injuries :roll:
This is one of the most competitive eras ever. And not to mention Lebron's last year performance against Indiana without Bosh, and his finals.
Lebron's first finals' winning performance is already better than anything Kobe did in his 17 years long career. You must feel very desperate. :lol
Most competitive era?
2012 playoffs
knicks then :roll:
pacers with no stars :roll:
old celtics :roll:
no dwight, no rose

Lebron's 2011 finals performance is also unmatched :applause:

[arifgokcen]

Most competitive era?
2012 playoffs
knicks then :roll:
pacers with no stars :roll:
old celtics :roll:
no dwight, no rose

Lebron's 2011 finals performance is also unmatched :applause:
Dude what i dont understand is i distinctly remember you saying pacers boston and OKC would beat miami after you said lebron would never win a ring.

You are on my ignore list normally i wouldnt even give an answer but come on hypocrisy wow

[ripthekik]

Dude what i dont understand is i distinctly remember you saying pacers boston and OKC would beat miami after you said lebron would never win a ring.

You are on my ignore list normally i wouldnt even give an answer but come on hypocrisy wow
what? it's obvious that I would cheer for those teams of course, but any unbiased nba fan will tell you those eastern teams were not formidable opponents at all. I'll give you OKC, even though they're unexperienced, and young. But the east? :roll:

Remember the context of my post above was responding to the guy who said "most competitive era ever".

[LEFT4DEAD]

Most competitive era?
2012 playoffs
knicks then :roll:
pacers with no stars :roll:
old celtics :roll:
no dwight, no rose

Lebron's 2011 finals performance is also unmatched :applause:
Its matched by Bryant's 2004 finals, dont worry :lol
Half of this forum were saying first, that Knicks will surprise and beat the Heat.
Than Heat were without Bosh, and down 2-1 to Indiana and playing as guests, and 90% of this forum said they will lose. And than, they were down 3-2 to Boston and playing in Boston that historical game 6, and every poster said the Heat are done. And lastly, 80% of USA' citizens said Thunder will beat the Heat in the finals. You know, those Thunder who beat the Lakers, Spurs and Mavs and were the best team on the West by far lost 4-1 to the Heat, as Lebron had all time great finals.
GTFOH retard

[Sakkreth]

OP is hater of LeBron and admits that bron is the best player in the nba, that means Bron is best by a landslide.

[pauk]

Considering that he does everything better than them except shooting (biggest difference being FTs)... i would say its a big gap overall... dont be fooled by his coasting right now, he wants only the playoffs... he has spammed a brutal amount of regular season accolades, more so than anybody in the NBA (hell including more than Kobe if you take a look at the MVPs & stats), all he wants is those rings/fmvps now... thats the only thing that can now increase his place to the top 10 and cement him there... he has more than enough of everything else...... Wouldnt be fun/fair towards other fellas and his very good friends (Durant/Melo) if he was to greedy and focused in on grabbing all the accolades every year anyways.................... No, i am not joking, Lebron is that good...

[Burgz V2]

looks like umad

[Dragonyeuw]

Just because Lebron has more components to his game than Durant doesn't necessarily mean he's on a tier above him. Yeah, overall I'd give it to Lebron but I honestly don't think the gap is that big in terms of on-court effectiveness. Durant has made great strides as a playmaker, defender and passer so it's not as if he's a slouch in any of those areas and he's clearly the more refined scorer. Plus, from what I can see Durant's game is going to age gracefully, I'm not so sure about Lebron in that aspect.

[pauk]

Just because Lebron has more components to his game than Durant doesn't necessarily mean he's on a tier above him. Yeah, overall I'd give it to Lebron but I honestly don't think the gap is that big in terms of on-court effectiveness. Durant has made great strides as a playmaker, defender and passer so it's not as if he's a slouch in any of those areas and he's clearly the more refined scorer. Plus, from what I can see Durant's game is going to age gracefully, I'm not so sure about Lebron in that aspect.

You have seen the on-court effectiveness difference last year in the Finals between those two... and you will see it again....

[Doctor Rivers]

You have seen the on-court effectiveness difference last year in the Finals between those two... and you will see it again....

No you won't. Durant learned his lesson and is now ready to take on the LeMonster.

[Lebron23]

LeBron will get his 2nd NBA Finals MVP this year. And he will be a top 8 player of all time at the end of this season.

[poido123]

LeBron will get his 2nd NBA Finals MVP this year. And he will be a top 8 player of all time at the end of this season.

Bit early to say top 8 just yet.

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan

Nope, but he will probably sit about 9.

And if he wins 3, 4 ,5, then I think he will leapfrog duncan and hakeem. Shaq? I dont know if lebron in his peak is better than shaq was, time will tell.

[sosolid4u09]

Durant is the better scorer
LeBron is the better player.

I personally think there is a substantial gap between them.The only thing you guys are pointing to is durants shooting %'s. They are insanely good! But lebron is better in every other category.

Durant is improving all the time and i do believe he'll improve his playmaking rebounding and defending to the point where he is on the level of LeBron. But right now LeBron is better

[Sakkreth]

Durant is the better scorer
LeBron is the better player.

I personally think there is a substantial gap between them.The only thing you guys are pointing to is durants shooting %'s. They are insanely good! But lebron is better in every other category.

Durant is improving all the time and i do believe he'll improve his playmaking rebounding and defending to the point where he is on the level of LeBron. But right now LeBron is better

Nope, never going to happen.

[miles berg]

Durante is slightly better.

[Jax]

Lebron's not even trying and he's still putting huge numbers. After the all star break you gon learn....
He's light years better the player Durant is. Durant has the better jumper no doubt, that's where it ends.

[ripthekik]

LeBron will get his 2nd NBA Finals MVP this year. And he will be a top 8 player of all time at the end of this season.
:roll: :roll:
Lebron is done man.
One hit asterisk wonder.
with 1 ring he's not going to end up in the top 10. sorry lebron23, you and pauk might have to open a group to comfort each other :(

[Dragonyeuw]

You have seen the on-court effectiveness difference last year in the Finals between those two... and you will see it again....

Durant's made great strides this season. The gap is smaller this year than last, unless you're suggesting that Lebron is just coasting right now and ready to unveil some godly level of play beyond mere mortals come playoff time.

[Dragonyeuw]

I personally think there is a substantial gap between them.The only thing you guys are pointing to is durants shooting %'s. They are insanely good! But lebron is better in every other category.



This is what I find interesting when people point to Durant's scoring like being an elite scorer with Durant's efficiency is something to sneeze at. Durant is one of the most efficient volume scorers of all time, there are a few players in the league who may be 'more well-rounded' than Durant but are they better players? Lebron as an all-around player is superior, but when you're scoring 25+ on 50/40/90, I'm sorry, that kind of output is more than enough to compensate for being 'less than stellar' in other areas. And again, Durant has emerged as a solid defender, his passing is greatly improved, and he's giving you 7-8 rebounds despite his rail-thin frame. He's become more than a scorer, anyone watching the Thunder this year can clearly see this.

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron's not even trying and he's still putting huge numbers. After the all star break you gon learn....


And by that, are you insinuating that Durant isn't effortlessly putting up huge scoring numbers? Both of these guys have another gear.

[joeysms55]

When Durant start guarding EVEN just from 1-4 position then start comparing him to Lebron defensively. The dude got raped by kevin love last night

[KOBE143]

Kobe, Durant and even Melo are better than LeBron right now.. Any unbiased fan like me can see that.. If you watched his game closely, you can see that LeBron has decline a lot.. He's not the same player as his Cleveland days and people notice it.. His game is not improving and once his freakish athleticism is gone everything will be over.. LeBron has only 2-3 more years left in the tank and after that he will be a shell of his former self.. Its really hard and sad for LeBron stans to accept the truth but there's nothing you can do about it.. Just move on and wish another player like him will come out.. Its not like LeBron is unique player.. He's not once in a lifetime player like Jordan, Magic, Durant, DRose, Kobe etc.. Just wait patiently and we will see another LeBron in just the near future.. To tell you the truth, I really envy his fans becos they will always see another LeBron unlike as Kobe fans, we will never ever see another Kobe even if we wait for an eternity.. :cry:

[asdf1990]

This is what I find interesting when people point to Durant's scoring like being an elite scorer with Durant's efficiency is something to sneeze at. Durant is one of the most efficient volume scorers of all time, there are a few players in the league who may be 'more well-rounded' than Durant but are they better players? Lebron as an all-around player is superior, but when you're scoring 25+ on 50/40/90, I'm sorry, that kind of output is more than enough to compensate for being 'less than stellar' in other areas. And again, Durant has emerged as a solid defender, his passing is greatly improved, and he's giving you 7-8 rebounds despite his rail-thin frame. He's become more than a scorer, anyone watching the Thunder this year can clearly see this.

You act like lebron isn't putting up 25ppg on insane shooting efficency he is at 54/44/67, this is despite not getting half the calls he should be getting when he attacks the rim.

[LikeABosh]

Durant is a better pure scorer that's it. Lebron is scoring 25 a night in his sleep, while also being top ten in assists per game. Lebron is light years ahead of KD when it comes to passing, court vision, defense etc.

[LikeABosh]

Kobe, Durant and even Melo are better than LeBron right now.. Any unbiased fan like me can see that.. If you watched his game closely, you can see that LeBron has decline a lot.. He's not the same player as his Cleveland days and people notice it.. His game is not improving and once his freakish athleticism is gone everything will be over.. LeBron has only 2-3 more years left in the tank and after that he will be a shell of his former self.. Its really hard and sad for LeBron stans to accept the truth but there's nothing you can do about it.. Just move on and wish another player like him will come out.. Its not like LeBron is unique player.. He's not once in a lifetime player like Jordan, Magic, Durant, DRose, Kobe etc.. Just wait patiently and we will see another LeBron in just the near future.. To tell you the truth, I really envy his fans becos they will always see another LeBron unlike as Kobe fans, we will never ever see another Kobe even if we wait for an eternity.. :cry:
:roll: :roll: :biggums:

[Dragonyeuw]

You act like lebron isn't putting up 25ppg on insane shooting efficency he is at 54/44/67,

Did I say he wasn't? Those numbers still don't eclipse 28ppg on 52/44/90. Those numbers are insane for someone who's primarily a shooter.

[Bandito]

Kobe, Durant and even Melo are better than LeBron right now.. Any unbiased fan like me can see that.. If you watched his game closely, you can see that LeBron has decline a lot.. He's not the same player as his Cleveland days and people notice it.. His game is not improving and once his freakish athleticism is gone everything will be over.. LeBron has only 2-3 more years left in the tank and after that he will be a shell of his former self.. Its really hard and sad for LeBron stans to accept the truth but there's nothing you can do about it.. Just move on and wish another player like him will come out.. Its not like LeBron is unique player.. He's not once in a lifetime player like Jordan, Magic, Durant, DRose, Kobe etc.. Just wait patiently and we will see another LeBron in just the near future.. To tell you the truth, I really envy his fans becos they will always see another LeBron unlike as Kobe fans, we will never ever see another Kobe even if we wait for an eternity.. :cry:
Can't believe anyone miss that!?:roll:

[Rysio]

people get blinded by stats. but that stat padder aint gonna fool me. :no:

[NUPE_1911]

LeBron is better than Durant because he can play four positions extremely well including PG and do it better than 90% of the pg in the league.

Durant can only really play 3 positions and has no ability to play pg whatsoever.

Durant does not have a consistent post game.

Durant does not play D as well as LeBron.

Durant had no ability to guard LeBron during the finals and was in foul trouble whenever he tried to.

[Bigsmoke]

and if LeBron had better stats

"LEBRON IS JUST A STAT PADDER"

lol @ Laker fans still thinking Kobe old ass the best. :lol

[NUPE_1911]

LeBron is better than Durant because he can play four positions extremely well including PG and do it better than 90% of the pg in the league.

Durant can only really play 3 positions and has no ability to play pg whatsoever.

Durant does not have a consistent post game.

Durant does not play D as well as LeBron.

Durant had no ability to guard LeBron during the finals and was in foul trouble whenever he tried to.


In other words, if you just look at stats then an argument can be made for Durant being better. However, if you look at actual on the court ability and skill set along with stats it becomes obvious that LeBron is the better player.

LeBron is a better PG than the ALL STAR PG on Durant's own team. LoL!

LeBron is also a better PF than the ALL STAR caliber PF on Durant's own team.

[Mr Exlax]

Lebron is the best in the NBA by a landslide. I will say that KD is playing better than Lebron so far this season. Not that he's better or anything. Lebron's coasting to the playoffs. He's not that hungry or driven. He doesn't have anything to prove. KD has more motivation and every game counts for him. He's a man on a mission.

[red1]

:roll: :roll:
Lebron is done man.
One hit asterisk wonder.
with 1 ring he's not going to end up in the top 10. sorry lebron23, you and pauk might have to open a group to comfort each other :(
:lol Best player for the last five years is a one hit wonder? It has been more than five months since the heat won in june and since then you have been in every lbj thread and not one shred of logic or reason has came from your way. This is what happens when you don't have any standards, you become an obssessed irrational jealous hateful female like this guy. If you want to worship jeremy lin and kobe bryant, then go find yourself a lakers or rockets forum, this right here is insideHOOPS so as long as legod of hoops is still entertaining us then there will be more of the same.

Deal with it.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6ki2Mkgf1ri08goo1_250.gif

[BlazersDozen]

LeBron is easily the best player in the NBA. He can do almost anything and is getting a better post game. Once that transition is complete, game over.

[Kingwillball]

Reading through this Thread is Comical at how many people are either Flat out Lebron Haters or Just Delusional of either Durant or Dare I say it Kobe :facepalm saying they are better than Lebron.. Lebron Ended any discussion last Season so what has Changed in a month or two this year ? Lebron is Playing Well scoring over 20 points 28 straight games so he has been model of consistency. He has had Double Digit assist and Rebounding games and missed Triple Doubles by one board or assist at least 3 or 4 times already. That shows his all around game is still top notch. Scary part is Lebron is Coasting a bit at times and his PPG could EASILY go up to 28+ if he wanted to and will Probably go up to that come playoff time. Not taking anything away from Durant he is the Clear #2 now and I will give Kobe Credit as I think he is at #3 or #4 still at his advanced age which says something about his Skill set. Dude can still score the basketball like few others but Lebron Dwarfs him in every other facet of the game which is Why no argument can be made past #3.

[Just2McFly]

Durant's stats are better and his team's on a sickening winning streak, along with having the best record in the League. Right now, Lebron's not the best. The year is still young though.
His team being on a win streak makes him better? Are you serious?

[BlazersDozen]

Reading through this Thread is Comical at how many people are either Flat out Lebron Haters or Just Delusional of either Durant or Dare I say it Kobe :facepalm saying they are better than Lebron.. Lebron Ended any discussion last Season so what has Changed in a month or two this year ? Lebron is Playing Well scoring over 20 points 28 straight games so he has been model of consistency. He has had Double Digit assist and Rebounding games and missed Triple Doubles by one board or assist at least 3 or 4 times already. That shows his all around game is still top notch. Scary part is Lebron is Coasting a bit at times and his PPG could EASILY go up to 28+ if he wanted to and will Probably go up to that come playoff time. Not taking anything away from Durant he is the Clear #2 now and I will give Kobe Credit as I think he is at #3 or #4 still at his advanced age which says something about his Skill set. Dude can still score the basketball like few others but Lebron Dwarfs him in every other facet of the game which is Why no argument can be made past #3.

Right now Carmelo >> Kobe though

*waits to be flamed by LAL fans*

[Dragonyeuw]

How many in this thread have flat out said Durant is better? I know I haven't, on at least two separate occasions I've said Lebron is the better overall player. I'm just not buying the notion that Lebron is several tiers above him.

[red1]

How many in this thread have flat out said Durant is better? I know I haven't, on at least two separate occasions I've said Lebron is the better overall player. I'm just not buying the notion that Lebron is several tiers above him.
We will know by the end of the season. KD has been climbing ranks as fast as a player can but judging from we have seen up to this point, there is a gap. Not a large gap but a noticeable one in terms of who contributes more to a team. OKC becomes the best team in the leauge BY FAR with lebron, heat are not as threatening if they trade for KD.

[BlazersDozen]

We will know by the end of the season. KD has been climbing ranks as fast as a player can but judging from we have seen up to this point, there is a gap. Not a large gap but a noticeable one in terms of who contributes more to a team. OKC becomes the best team in the leauge BY FAR with lebron, heat are not as threatening if they trade for KD.

This.

[Kingwillball]

Right now Carmelo >> Kobe though

*waits to be flamed by LAL fans*


Notice I said Argument as to me Right now its between Melo and KObe for the #3 and 4 spot but because Kobe has never Dropped from top 5 and Melo was never in Top 5 Discussion until this year it is hard for me to push him all the way to #3..

[Rysio]

:lol Best player for the last five years is a one hit wonder? It has been more than five months since the heat won in june and since then you have been in every lbj thread and not one shred of logic or reason has came from your way. This is what happens when you don't have any standards, you become an obssessed irrational jealous hateful female like this guy. If you want to worship jeremy lin and kobe bryant, then go find yourself a lakers or rockets forum, this right here is insideHOOPS so as long as legod of hoops is still entertaining us then there will be more of the same.

Deal with it.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6ki2Mkgf1ri08goo1_250.gif
huh?
08- kobe
09- kobe
10- kobe
11- dirk
12- lebron
13- kobe/melo

:biggums:

[red1]

huh?
08- kobe
09- kobe
10- kobe
11- dirk
12- lebron
13- kobe/melo

:biggums:
08- lebron/kobe
09- lebron/kobe/wade
10- lebron
11- lebron/dirk
12- lebron
13- lebron/durant

[Kingwillball]

08- lebron/kobe
09- lebron/kobe/wade
10- lebron
11- lebron/dirk
12- lebron
13- lebron/durant

This Lebron is in his 5th season as the leagues best player already..

[Kingwillball]

huh?
08- kobe
09- kobe
10- kobe
11- dirk
12- lebron
13- kobe/melo

:biggums:


Are U that STUPID REALLY ????? These kind of posts should get people banned for Plain Stupidiy or flat out being a troll either way no room for fools like this..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

08- lebron/kobe
09- lebron/kobe/wade
10- lebron
11- lebron/dirk
12- lebron
13- lebron/durant

Pretty much the same for me, just a few minor changes:

08 - Kobe
09 - Lebron
10 - Lebron/Kobe
11 - Lebron until he wet the bed
12 - Lebron
13 - Lebron

[Bigsmoke]

08- lebron/kobe
09- lebron/kobe/wade
10- lebron
11- lebron/dirk
12- lebron
13- lebron/durant

as much as i dislike Kobe, i'll give him 2008

led the Lakers to the best in the West with Bynum hurt for most of the season and Gasol being there for 27 games.

2008 was the year to me when Kobe finally learned how to be a true leader and knowing how to be effective out on the court without the mentality of just thinking to score 40 or 50 each night.

He was really on a tear before that Celtics series in the playoffs as well.

[red1]

Pretty much the same for me, just a few minor changes:

08 - Kobe
09 - Lebron
10 - Lebron/Kobe
11 - Lebron until he wet the bed
12 - Lebron
13 - Lebron
Lebron took the celtics to 7 games and almost stole the series on the road even though kobe had a better team. Giving kobe 2008 is still respectable because that was the best/most complete version of kobe.

[red1]

as much as i dislike Kobe, i'll give him 2008

led the Lakers to the best in the West with Bynum hurt for most of the season and Gasol being there for 27 games.

2008 was the year to me when Kobe finally learned how to be a true leader and knowing how to be effective out on the court without the mentality of just thinking to score 40 or 50 each night.

He was really on a tear before that Celtics series in the playoffs as well.
True. He was a beast in the spurs WCF series.

[Rysio]

Are U that STUPID REALLY ????? These kind of posts should get people banned for Plain Stupidiy or flat out being a troll either way no room for fools like this..
what you dont like about my ranking? all either fmvps or made the finals with mvp. not my fault your boy liked to choke most of his career.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron took the celtics to 7 games and almost stole the series on the road even though kobe had a better team. Giving kobe 2008 is still respectable because that was the best/most complete version of kobe.

He had some awful games in that series though. Dude's first 2 or 3 games were some of the worst I've seen from a superstar.

G1: 2/18
G2: 6/24
G3: 5/16

Still, 2008 (and 2009) are my favorite version(s) of Lebron. Guy was a beast, and like you said, had an amazing G7 performance against Boston.

[Bigsmoke]

He had some awful games in that series though. Dude's first 2 or 3 games were some of the worst I've seen from a superstar.

G1: 2/18
G2: 6/24
G3: 5/16

Still, 2008 (and 2009) are my favorite version(s) of Lebron. Guy was a beast, and like you said, had an amazing G7 performance against Boston.

LeBron did a good job defending Pierce at least for the most part.

the Celtics literally had their whole team defending LeBron in those first 2 games.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron did a good job defending Pierce at least for the most part.

the Celtics literally had their whole team defending LeBron in those first 2 games.

Yea. I think Wade said they were the best defense he's ever played against. Like Bron, Kobe got locked up too.

[red1]

He had some awful games in that series though. Dude's first 2 or 3 games were some of the worst I've seen from a superstar.

G1: 2/18
G2: 6/24
G3: 5/16

Still, 2008 (and 2009) are my favorite version(s) of Lebron. Guy was a beast, and like you said, had an amazing G7 performance against Boston.
:lol Yeah I remember those. Celtic defense was godly and his jumpshot was off. His turnovers were high too but he had his usual 7 and 7 assists and rebounds and good defense too. Good thing they play 7 games in a series because he more than made up for that.

[AlphaWolf24]

08- lebron/kobe
09- lebron/kobe/wade
10- lebron
11- lebron/dirk
12- lebron
13- lebron/durant


and you call other posters irrational?....

[red1]

and you call other posters irrational?....
show me where I am being irrational so I can correct it

[secund2nun]

Kobe at no point in his career has even been close to being the best player in the NBA.

[Dragonyeuw]

Kobe at no point in his career has even been close to being the best player in the NBA.

http://www.helloloser.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Mj-thriller-popcorn-o.gif

[Rysio]

Kobe at no point in his career has even been close to being the best player in the NBA.
you mustve been locked up the last 12-13 years. welcome back. :cheers:

[andgar923]

Kobe at no point in his career has even been close to being the best player in the NBA.
:coleman:

[pauk]

Dont know how big that landslide is... but no we cant stop, until proven otherwise...

[kennethgriffin]

kobe bryant... the player of the decade by sports illustrated, sporting news, tnt, yahoo and many more

the guy who won back to back finals mvps

the guy who was a league mvp and admited snub twice to steve nash and dirk

the guy who won 5 nba titles

the guy who is a top 6-7 legend all time

the guy who most legends say is the closest thing to jordan

the guy who jordan says only diserves comparison in nba history

the guy who in his 17th year is averaging prime legendary michael jordan statistics

the guy who is on pace to eclipse kareem abdul jabbars 38k record

the guy who dropped 81 ( 2nd most all time )

the guy who dropped 12 threes in one game ( most all time )

the guy whos hit 35+ game winning shots ( most all time )

the guy whos made 10 all nba 1st teams ( 2nd most all time )

the guy whos made 9 all defensive 1st teams ( most all time )

the guy who has been the most all around polished fundamentally skilled player we've ever seen ( proven by his depleted athleticism and old body being able to average 30/5/5 )

...................at no point.... was ever the best player in basketball



even though countless legends, players, hall of famers, coaches, gms have all said he was for many years


because a few internet message board inside hoops members say so

:facepalm

[red1]

2006 kobe/wade
2007 kobe
2008 kobe/lebron

you happy kenny? top 2/3 every year of the decade too

[secund2nun]

He hasn't. He is no different than Wade or Tmac. None of them can get past the first round by themselves. The only difference between Tmac and Kobe is health and supporting casts. They are just overrated perimeter players. Rose and Melo are even worse overrated perimeter players who the NBA hype machine incorrectly attributes to leading their teams when in reality team defense and rebounding is what carries those teams. This all a product of the NBA artificially trying to create superstars in big markets to try and build up hype. Kobe, Wade etc are very good yes, but their hype is a product of the NBA's agenda to promote flashy "sexy" outside players. This is also the reason why big men like Duncan, Barkley etc are criminally underrated.

Now Durant is legit though.

The only perimeter players who can impact the game like a elite bigman are players like Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Bird, and Durant- players who have great skillsets AND great size/height (except Jordan, but Jordan is Jordan).

[Mr Exlax]

He hasn't. He is no different than Wade or Tmac. None of them can get past the first round by themselves. The only difference between Tmac and Kobe is health and supporting casts. They are just overrated perimeter players. Rose and Melo are even worse overrated perimeter players who the NBA hype machine incorrectly attributes to leading their teams when in reality team defense and rebounding is what carries those teams. This all a product of the NBA artificially trying to create superstars in big markets to try and build up hype. Kobe, Wade etc are very good yes, but their hype is a product of the NBA's agenda to promote flashy "sexy" outside players. This is also the reason why big men like Duncan, Barkley etc are criminally underrated.

The only perimeter players who can impact the game like a elite bigman are players like Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Bird, and Durant- players who have great skillsets AND great size/height (except Jordan, but Jordan is Jordan..also Durant is not that big, but is tall).

Dear god i'm about to defend Kobe. The world is ending today for sure. Bro, you're tripping. Kobe is probably the most skilled player of all time. He can only win with a good team sure, but that's every player. Kobe copied Jordan's game, but worked to fix the flaws in Jordan's game. The only thing is the mental part and making his teammates better.

[swag2011]

He hasn't. He is no different than Wade or Tmac. None of them can get past the first round by themselves. The only difference between Tmac and Kobe is health and supporting casts. They are just overrated perimeter players. Rose and Melo are even worse overrated perimeter players who the NBA hype machine incorrectly attributes to leading their teams when in reality team defense and rebounding is what carries those teams. This all a product of the NBA artificially trying to create superstars in big markets to try and build up hype. Kobe, Wade etc are very good yes, but their hype is a product of the NBA's agenda to promote flashy "sexy" outside players. This is also the reason why big men like Duncan, Barkley etc are criminally underrated.

Now Durant is legit though.

The only perimeter players who can impact the game like a elite bigman are players like Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Bird, and Durant- players who have great skillsets AND great size/height (except Jordan, but Jordan is Jordan).

lol shut up. So according to countless nba legends and former players, analysts, critics and even haters, kobe was the best player in 05/06/07/08/09 and maybe 10, but some internet know-it-all's claim he was never the best player. when u had lebron and d-wade themselves saying kobe was the best in several years.

Was Jordan getting past the first round without Pippen? nope. Durant has had westbrook for every year of his career except the 1st one.

[LikeABosh]

Lebron nearly quadruples Melo in assists, gets 2 and half more rebounds, and is out shooting him by 7%.

[ripthekik]

show me where I am being irrational so I can correct it
calls me irrational but goes and give lebron everything :oldlol:
you might have to join pauk and lebron23's comfort group come next june when the heat gets knock out, and I'll be making a ton of "one hit wonder bron" threads :hammerhead:

just giving you a heads up :roll:

[red1]

calls me irrational but goes and give lebron everything :oldlol:
you might have to join pauk and lebron23's comfort group come next june when the heat gets knock out, and I'll be making a ton of "one hit wonder bron" threads :hammerhead:

just giving you a heads up :roll:
Show and explain what you would correct

[ripthekik]

Show and explain what you would correct
08 - Kobe
09 - toss up between Kobe/Lebron

And I've always said Bron has been the best player in the league, so don't know what you're complaining about. Remember my posts where I asked, why did the #1 player in the league had to team up with #3? Yeah, I've always put him at 1 the last few years.:cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

theres a big difference between performer of the year and best player

the best player in the nba doesnt change season by season. its a title. a torch carrier

it was

jordan from 1990-1993
hakeem from 1994-1995
jordan from 1996-1998
shaq from 1999-2002
duncan from 2003-2005
kobe from 2006-2009
lebron from 2010-2012


overall player of the decade 90's = jordan

overall player of the decade 00's = kobe




but even if you have some kind of criteria for best player. kobe would have to fall under every single type because

a) he was the biggest statistical guy in 2006 and 2007, and by far the most valuable guy if taken off his team

b) he was the league mvp in 2008

c) he was the best player on the best team in 2009 and 2010, fmvpx2, championx2



so any way you look at it kobe was the best for a while. or at minimum a few years even by the most critical criteria by a troll

[red1]

08 - Kobe
09 - toss up between Kobe/Lebron

And I've always said Bron has been the best player in the league, so don't know what you're complaining about. Remember my posts where I asked, why did the #1 player in the league had to team up with #3? Yeah, I've always put him at 1 the last few years.:cheers:
OK this is very agreeable. I would actually take lebron for both years, 09 especially but then again maybe I am biased. And btw, heat are not unreasonably stacked. They don't have any bigs so they are easily beatable. The only reason they didn't get knocked off last year was because LBJ carried them to the chip.

[Pacers4ever]

theres a big difference between performer of the year and best player

the best player in the nba doesnt change season by season. its a title. a torch carrier

it was

jordan from 1990-1993
hakeem from 1994-1995
jordan from 1996-1998
shaq from 1999-2002
duncan from 2003-2005
kobe from 2006-2009
lebron from 2010-2012


overall player of the decade 90's = jordan

overall player of the decade 00's = kobe




but even if you have some kind of criteria for best player. kobe would have to fall under every single type because

a) he was the biggest statistical guy in 2006 and 2007, and by far the most valuable guy if taken off his team

b) he was the league mvp in 2008

c) he was the best player on the best team in 2009 and 2010, fmvpx2, championx2



so any way you look at it kobe was the best for a while. or at minimum a few years even by the most critical criteria by a troll



If kobe is the best player in 2010 why do you list that as lebron? And no it's been lebron since 2009.

[knicksman]

LMFAO :roll:


Yeah, lebron's impact isn't that great..he got that cavs team to win back to back 60 wins seasons with his 2nd best player being Mo Williams. Ibaka and Westbrook are both better than anything Lebron ever played with on the Cavs:oldlol:

At the end of the day, theyre no better than 59 win orlando team. lebron got owned by howard. Howards impact clearly is better than lebron despite his stats

[red1]

At the end of the day, theyre no better than 59 win orlando team. lebron got owned by howard. Howards impact clearly is better than lebron despite his stats
Clearly didn't watch a single game in the series.

[TheMan]

LBJ is still the best in the league, but I don't think it's that crazy to say Durant is giving him a run for his money...KD has a crazy upside, he's still not even close to his prime, only 24, insane.

Melo? :no:

[kennethgriffin]

OK this is very agreeable. I would actually take lebron for both years, 09 especially but then again maybe I am biased. And btw, heat are not unreasonably stacked. They don't have any bigs so they are easily beatable. The only reason they didn't get knocked off last year was because LBJ carried them to the chip.


kobe was a hair behind lebron in the regular season.. 2nd in mvp voting and 1 less win. similar stats

as for the post season. it was one of kobes absolute best runs. he averaged 33/8/5 in the finals, won the title and finals mvp

how on earth does kobe not get the nod as best player that year?

[knicksman]

Considering that he does everything better than them except shooting (biggest difference being FTs)... i would say its a big gap overall... dont be fooled by his coasting right now, he wants only the playoffs... he has spammed a brutal amount of regular season accolades, more so than anybody in the NBA (hell including more than Kobe if you take a look at the MVPs & stats), all he wants is those rings/fmvps now... thats the only thing that can now increase his place to the top 10 and cement him there... he has more than enough of everything else...... Wouldnt be fun/fair towards other fellas and his very good friends (Durant/Melo) if he was to greedy and focused in on grabbing all the accolades every year anyways.................... No, i am not joking, Lebron is that good...

Actually lebron wasnt coasting when it comes to things that appear on statsheet. He clearly wants to beat durant on efficiency whereas defense doesnt appear on the statsheet. If theres one player whos coasting right now, its durant. Hes playing 2011 dirk who just let his teammates play then takeover when it matters. Hes providing defense instead which is there weakness. lebron the greatest statpadder and coasting shouldnt be on the same sentence

[red1]

kobe was a hair behind lebron in the regular season.. 2nd in mvp voting and 1 less win. similar stats

as for the post season. it was one of kobes absolute best runs. he averaged 33/8/5 in the finals, won the title and finals mvp

how on earth does kobe not get the nod as best player that year?
09 was lebron's best year. He lost half a step since then, back then he could blow by anybody and even his stroke on jumpshots seemed more clean. If the same lebron went up against the spurs two years earlier with the same exact shitty cleveland team it would've been a good series.

These what if games are useless but had he made it to finals that year he would've exploded. He just never had a shot to make it there in the first place. He put up a historic series against the magic and his team barely lost because orlando three mismatches to exploit the flawed cleveland defense. Dwight at his best being guarded by old z, rashard and hedo both 6'10 and cleveland's next best perimter defender after lebron was 6'3 delonte. No chance.

[red1]

09 lebron clearly quicker and lighter on his feet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoW8JKgM3bc

[kennethgriffin]

If kobe is the best player in 2010 why do you list that as lebron? And no it's been lebron since 2009.

did you even watch the 2009 playoffs?

kobe was unstoppable

he was at his absolute skill/athletic peak


people give duncan nods for best player cause of how he ended the year

but those same people say nothing after the regular season counts when its lebron/kobe arguments. unless its 2012 lol

hypocrites

lol im out

[LikeABosh]

09 was lebron's best year. He lost half a step since then, back then he could blow by anybody and even his stroke on jumpshots seemed more clean. If the same lebron went up against the spurs two years earlier with the same exact shitty Cleveland team it would've been a good series.

These what if games are useless but had he made it to finals that year he would've exploded. He just never had a shot to make it there in the first place. He put up a historic series against the magic and his team barely lost because orlando three mismatches to exploit the flawed cleveland defense. Dwight at his best being guarded by old z, rashard and hedo both 6'10 and cleveland's next best perimeter defender after lebron was 6'3 delonte. No chance.
Current Lebron's mid range jumper is way better and more reliable, same with his 3p shot. He is much more in control now and has an improved post game. He won the Heat the championship from the post. Something he wouldn't be able to do in 09'

[red1]

Current Lebron's mid range jumper is way better and more reliable, same with his 3p shot. He is much more in control now and has an improved post game. He won the Heat the championship from the post. Something he wouldn't be able to do in 09'
I don't think it is more reliable at all. He was playing well out of the post but not because of his jumpshot, but because he was doing his little hooks and was driving out of the post. That year he was hitting everything he put up in the playoffs. This year skip kept repeating some statistic showing lebron he shot a ridiculously low percentage in the finals, something like <30%

[knicksman]

lebron is just a more efficient tmac. Without that efficiency, he would be a first round virgin by now. Thats why he joined miami coz he might be winning 5 mvps without a ring to show for it. And that would make him the greatest embarrassment ever.

if anything, its durant that is once in a generation player. We havent seen a superstar black player that plays like him. Bird and dirk are all white and we know how they ended. They have 4 rings combined and dirk couldve 2 if he wasnt screwed by the refs. The closest black player is ray allen and he even had a ring and has an impact close to tmac

[LikeABosh]

I don't think it is more reliable at all. He was playing well out of the post but not because of his jumpshot, but because he was doing his little hooks and was driving out of the post. That year he was hitting everything he put up in the playoffs. This year skip kept repeating some statistic showing lebron he shot a ridiculously low percentage in the finals, something like <30%
That's because it is a tiny sample size. Over the past 2+ seasons he's shooting 43% from mid range. That is pretty good.

[red1]

lebron is just a more efficient tmac. Without that efficiency, he would be a first round virgin by now. Thats why he joined miami coz he might be winning 5 mvps without a ring to show for it. And that would make him the greatest embarrassment ever.

if anything, its durant that is once in a generation player. We havent seen a superstar black player that plays like him. Bird and dirk are all white and we know how they ended. They have 4 rings combined and dirk couldve 2 if he wasnt screwed by the refs. The closest black player is ray allen and he even had a ring and has an impact close to tmac
:biggums: why are you even posting? it is obvious that you don't know a goddamn thing

[LikeABosh]

lebron is just a more efficient tmac. Without that efficiency, he would be a first round virgin by now. Thats why he joined miami coz he might be winning 5 mvps without a ring to show for it. And that would make him the greatest embarrassment ever.

if anything, its durant that is once in a generation player. We havent seen a superstar black player that plays like him. Bird and dirk are all white and we know how they ended. They have 4 rings combined and dirk couldve 2 if he wasnt screwed by the refs. The closest black player is ray allen and he even had a ring and has an impact close to tmac
lmao

[red1]

That's because it is a tiny sample size. Over the past 2+ seasons he's shooting 43% from mid range. That is pretty good.
This is true. He is a streaky shooter and he has definitely improved during the regular season since coming to miami. That said, in 09 it seemed as though he was hot the entire regular season and playoffs, he even shot his highest freethrow percentage of his career.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron only gets overrated as the best in the league by his stans, who are not old enough to watch an action movie without an adult, so who actually cares what they have to say? :confusedshrug:

[LikeABosh]

This is true. He is a streaky shooter and he has definitely improved during the regular season since coming to miami. That said, in 09 it seemed as though he was hot the entire regular season and playoffs, he even shot his highest freethrow percentage of his career.applles and oranges.

[red1]

applles and oranges.
not really, freethrows are pure shooting stroke

[red1]

Lebron only gets overrated as the best in the league by his stans, who are not old enough to watch an action movie without an adult, so who actually cares what they have to say? :confusedshrug:
:facepalm typical mr jabbar

[kenny817]

Uh no Durant is better and means much more to his team.

SMH

[Umad101]

Alright listen up LEBRON D+CK RIDERS!!!!!!

Majority of us agree he is the best in the nba but when y'all say "NOT EVEN CLOSE" that's when we can't take u fools seriously and question if y'all even watch basketball

If this was a 2k rating it would be:

Lebron:98
Durant:96
Kobe:94
Melo:92

I don't see a huge gap here

[LikeABosh]

not really, freethrows are pure shooting stroke
What I meant is comparing 09' Lebron to current Lebron is like apples and oranges. Both have differently strengths. In 09' he was more athletic, but now I think he's a more developed player

[ripthekik]

lebron is just a more efficient tmac. Without that efficiency, he would be a first round virgin by now. Thats why he joined miami coz he might be winning 5 mvps without a ring to show for it. And that would make him the greatest embarrassment ever.

if anything, its durant that is once in a generation player. We havent seen a superstar black player that plays like him. Bird and dirk are all white and we know how they ended. They have 4 rings combined and dirk couldve 2 if he wasnt screwed by the refs. The closest black player is ray allen and he even had a ring and has an impact close to tmac
:applause:
excellent post.

[Lebron23]

:biggums: why are you even posting? it is obvious that you don't know a goddamn thing


The guy is one of the biggest trolls in this forum. LeBron is a way better playoffs performer than T-mac. A 22 yrs.old LBJ led a bunch of scrubs in the NBA Finals.

[LikeABosh]

The guy is one of the biggest trolls in this forum. LeBron is a way better playoffs performer than T-mac. A 22 yrs.old LBJ led a bunch of scrubs in the NBA Finals.
For real. Lebron routinely led scrubs in the 2nd, 3rd round. Tmac is a career loser and made of glass. What did he miss like 300 games in his career?:oldlol:

[knicksman]

22 year old lebron may have brought a team to the finals but I dont consider that team a contender as evidenced by being swept in the finals. while 21 year old durant already made his team a contender. An 8th seed in the west at that time can be considered contender. Lebron also took until his 6th year to make his team contender and wouldnt sniff the finals again if he didnt join miami.

[Lebron23]

22 year old lebron may have brought a team to the finals but I dont consider that team a contender as evidenced by being swept in the finals. while 21 year old durant already made his team a contender. An 8th seed in the west at that time can be considered contender. Lebron also took until his 6th year to make his team contender and wouldnt sniff the finals again if he didnt join miami.


With Mike Brown as the Head Coach of the Cavaliers. What's the Lakers record with Mike Brown? A Rookie Daniel Gibson was the Cavaliers 2nd best player in the 2007 playoffs.

[knicksman]

With Mike Brown as the Head Coach of the Cavaliers. What's the Lakers record with Mike Brown? A Rookie Daniel Gibson was the Cavaliers 2nd best player in the 2007 playoffs.

mike brown fit each other coz lebron cant statpad if he doesnt run lebrons offense and his specialty is defense while lakers didnt focus on his specialty during the offseason

[LikeABosh]

22 year old lebron may have brought a team to the finals but I dont consider that team a contender as evidenced by being swept in the finals. while 21 year old durant already made his team a contender. An 8th seed in the west at that time can be considered contender. Lebron also took until his 6th year to make his team contender and wouldnt sniff the finals again if he didnt join miami.
It's a team sport bud. Lebron's cavs aren't even comparable What KD has on the Thunder. Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden (now Kevin Martin), Thabo, Perkins. The 2nd best player on Lebron's Cavs would struggle to get minutes on the Thunder

[pmj]

22 year old lebron may have brought a team to the finals but I dont consider that team a contender as evidenced by being swept in the finals. while 21 year old durant already made his team a contender. An 8th seed in the west at that time can be considered contender. Lebron also took until his 6th year to make his team contender and wouldnt sniff the finals again if he didnt join miami.

Lol you realize Westbrook is a top 10 player?? Harden last year, Ibaka, etc.

Durant is lucky the team sucked his first two years and they got lucky in the draft.

[tmacattack33]

22 year old lebron may have brought a team to the finals but I dont consider that team a contender as evidenced by being swept in the finals. while 21 year old durant already made his team a contender. An 8th seed in the west at that time can be considered contender. Lebron also took until his 6th year to make his team contender and wouldnt sniff the finals again if he didnt join miami.

:roll:

Wow, i didn't know that Durant was OKC's GM too and drafted Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. He really is amazing.

[knicksman]

did people watch the westbrook last night. Thats who he is. almost a zero sum player. Score first pgs really are not impactful players. Bulls prove it by having the best record despite having no rose. Westbrook is in the same league as the iversons, marbury, francis. They are not franchise changers. Id rather have gasol or bynum than them. I view them as role players despite people thinking they are stars.

[LikeABosh]

did people watch the westbrook last night. Thats who he is. almost a zero sum player. Score first pgs really are not impactful players. Bulls prove it by having the best record despite having no rose. Westbrook is in the same league as the iversons, marbury, francis. They are not franchise changers. Id rather have gasol or bynum than them. I view them as role players despite people thinking they are stars.
Westbrook is actually getting 9 apg this season, but whatever, not sure how this is even relevant. Durant also had Harden, who sure as hell is a game changer, and 3 top notch defensive players in Ibaka, Perkins, and Thabo

[Graviton]

Westbrook is actually getting 9 apg this season, but whatever, not sure how this is even relevant. Durant also had Harden, who sure as hell is a game changer, and 3 top notch defensive players in Ibaka, Perkins, and Thabo

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqnunuTrxn1qkjbavo1_500.jpg

[Hoopz2332]

lebron is just a more efficient tmac. Without that efficiency, he would be a first round virgin by now. Thats why he joined miami coz he might be winning 5 mvps without a ring to show for it. And that would make him the greatest embarrassment ever.

if anything, its durant that is once in a generation player. We havent seen a superstar black player that plays like him. Bird and dirk are all white and we know how they ended. They have 4 rings combined and dirk couldve 2 if he wasnt screwed by the refs. The closest black player is ray allen and he even had a ring and has an impact close to tmac


:rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/sUBlO.jpg