View Full Version : If the mvp ends up between melo and durant. How does lebron make all NBA 1st team?
kennethgriffin
12-21-2012, 01:54 PM
#1 of the east performer = Forward Carmelo Anthony
team finishes in 1st
stats = 28ppg, 6rpg, 2apg
#1 of the west performer = Forward Kevin Durant
team finishers in 1st
stats = 28ppg, 8rpg, 4apg
and left over = Lebron James
team in 2nd
stats = 25ppg, 8rpg, 6apg
slightly more all around numbers. but really lacking in scoring to be considered above mvp candidates.
no way he makes 1st team unless they get rid of the center position like with allstar voting. doubt it though
1st team =
C Dwight
F Durant
F Melo
G Kobe
G Westbrook or paul
fpliii
12-21-2012, 01:57 PM
not going to get into the Melo/LeBron thing, but Duncan is ahead of Dwight at the moment (Marc Gasol, Chandler, Noah arguably are as well)
ScalabrineStan
12-21-2012, 01:58 PM
They changed it to 3 forwards 2 guards so I suppose the 3 of them would get in and Dwight would probably deservedly go 2nd team
#number6ix#
12-21-2012, 01:58 PM
Last year Tyson chandler won dpoy but was second team defense so it can happen
BlazersDozen
12-21-2012, 01:58 PM
Carmelo's numbers are going to drop when Amare gets back so it's not going to happen.
fpliii
12-21-2012, 02:01 PM
Last year Tyson chandler won dpoy but was second team defense so it can happen
the difference is though, All-Defense Teams and DPOY are voted on by coaches and the media respectively
the media votes for both MVP and All-NBA teams, so they'll be more consistent (for better or worse)
kennethgriffin
12-21-2012, 02:09 PM
They changed it to 3 forwards 2 guards so I suppose the 3 of them would get in and Dwight would probably deservedly go 2nd team
thats the allstar voting. not all nba
otherwise it would be possible not a single center could make it on any 3 teams. and it would ruin the history of the award
theyre not changing it for lebron
:roll:
Whoah10115
12-21-2012, 02:13 PM
As far as I know, the All-NBA Teams still include the C position.
Same way your man (Kobe) made the 1st all-nba team all those years millions of people won the MVPs... and the same way he (Kobe) still will probably be 1st all-nba yet again... but Lebron not winning the MVP or not being one of the 2 favorites remains to be seen at the end of the season
BuffaloBill
12-21-2012, 02:18 PM
The solution is simple. Put him on the all nba 2nd team.
Kingwillball
12-21-2012, 02:22 PM
The solution is simple. Put him on the all nba 2nd team.
That has as much chance of happening as the world coming to an end today..:rolleyes:
Cali Syndicate
12-21-2012, 02:23 PM
thats the allstar voting. not all nba
otherwise it would be possible not a single center could make it on any 3 teams. and it would ruin the history of the award
theyre not changing it for lebron
:roll:
Funny how Amare keeps getting voted to a team as a center when clearly he isn't.
Voting in a SF as a center won't happen though.
If all three players keep up their play, it's gonn be interesting.
They will bump westbrook or dwight to put 3 forwards. They are not going to leave out one of melo, kd, and bron
Bigsmoke
12-21-2012, 02:25 PM
Dwight
Melo
Durant
LeBron
CP3
:confusedshrug:
no room for Kobe :lol
Kingwillball
12-21-2012, 02:25 PM
Funny how Amare keeps getting voted to a team as a center when clearly he isn't.
Voting in a SF as a center won't happen though.
If all three players keep up their play, it's gonn be interesting.
My guess is either Melo and Knicks will cool off and come down to earth enough for him to slide to 2nd team or he gets Knicked UP(no pun intended) and misses a stretch of the season which would diminish his chances. IN the End Melo will end up on 2nd team before Durant IMO and certainly before Lebron unless they put him at SG over Kobe.
BlazersDozen
12-21-2012, 02:28 PM
IDK if this scenario would even happen today...at this moment. LeBron would get more votes than Carmelo most definitly. the man is averaging 6 assists as a small forward which makes his PRF high than both Durant & Melo, not to mention his defensive numbers are slightly better. Finally, both Melo and James are putting up 2.6 turnovers a game...Melo is averaging 2 assists though...LeBron is averaging 6...don't even need to get into his shooting percentages, eFG% & all these numbers being better than Melo's with a Usage percentage nearly 5% lower.
Whoah10115
12-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Same way your man (Kobe) made the 1st all-nba team all those years millions of people won the MVPs... and the same way he (Kobe) still will probably be 1st all-nba yet again... but Lebron not winning the MVP or not being one of the 2 favorites remains to be seen at the end of the season
The only guard who won MVP in that time is Steve Nash. Kobe was 3rd Team the first year and 1st Team the other year. There was never a season where two of Paul, Nash, Wade were ahead of Bryant in the MVP voting. Paul was ahead of Bryant last year and Nash and Rose both won. Outside of that, Bryant as the leading vote getter amongst guards every year since 2006. Parker should have been ahead of him last year, but that was never gonna happen. Plenty of people who watch basketball didn't even give Parker the edge. Even if Anthony has been overrated some years, he is a bigger star and -to some extent- he's close to that level.
It's also early in the year. LeBron was a monster last night but the other two have been better so far...since there is more than 2/3 of the season left, he's got time.
Whoah10115
12-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Funny how Amare keeps getting voted to a team as a center when clearly he isn't.
Voting in a SF as a center won't happen though.
If all three players keep up their play, it's gonn be interesting.
Yeah but he was actually playing center. At least listed as the C. Lebron is not listed even as a PF, much less is he listed as a C.
Hizack
12-21-2012, 02:36 PM
Don't forget a tie can occur (and did occur in 1951–52 season).
BuffaloBill
12-21-2012, 02:37 PM
That has as much chance of happening as the world coming to an end today..:rolleyes:
That's true. The world would end if Lebron got placed on the 2nd team.
I don't think these forums would be able to handle it.
Cali Syndicate
12-21-2012, 02:45 PM
My guess is either Melo and Knicks will cool off and come down to earth enough for him to slide to 2nd team or he gets Knicked UP(no pun intended) and misses a stretch of the season which would diminish his chances. IN the End Melo will end up on 2nd team before Durant IMO and certainly before Lebron unless they put him at SG over Kobe.
Unless the Lakers stay under .500, there's no way Kobe gets left off.
Hizack
12-21-2012, 02:48 PM
Carmelo's numbers are going to drop when Amare gets back so it's not going to happen.
My guess is either Melo and Knicks will cool off and come down to earth enough for him to slide to 2nd team or he gets Knicked UP(no pun intended) and misses a stretch of the season which would diminish his chances. IN the End Melo will end up on 2nd team before Durant IMO and certainly before Lebron unless they put him at SG over Kobe.
It's also early in the year. LeBron was a monster last night but the other two have been better so far...since there is more than 2/3 of the season left, he's got time.
This thread is not about whether both Melo and Durant will make the 1st Team or not, nor the possibility of it's happening,
it is about IF both Melo and Durant ends up making the 1st Team, what would happen.
LeBron' is going to be All NBA First team for atleast the next 6 years straight. Let's be serious.
And Carmelo will never the the light of day of an MVP award. It's all noise.
Whoah10115
12-21-2012, 02:56 PM
This thread is not about whether both Melo and Durant will make the 1st Team or not, nor the possibility of it's happening,
it is about IF both Melo and Durant ends up making the 1st Team, what would happen.
If that happens, then there are only two options:
1. A tie
2. Lebron is 2nd Team
What other answer might you be looking for? How we'd feel?
Sarcastic
12-21-2012, 02:56 PM
My guess is either Melo and Knicks will cool off and come down to earth enough for him to slide to 2nd team or he gets Knicked UP(no pun intended) and misses a stretch of the season which would diminish his chances. IN the End Melo will end up on 2nd team before Durant IMO and certainly before Lebron unless they put him at SG over Kobe.
Looks like the pun was very much intended, since the correct word is nick, and you used a capital K as well.
Sarcastic
12-21-2012, 02:58 PM
IDK if this scenario would even happen today...at this moment. LeBron would get more votes than Carmelo most definitly. the man is averaging 6 assists as a small forward which makes his PRF high than both Durant & Melo, not to mention his defensive numbers are slightly better. Finally, both Melo and James are putting up 2.6 turnovers a game...Melo is averaging 2 assists though...LeBron is averaging 6...don't even need to get into his shooting percentages, eFG% & all these numbers being better than Melo's with a Usage percentage nearly 5% lower.
You have no idea what usage percentage is. Admit it.
Bandito
12-21-2012, 03:06 PM
Same way your man (Kobe) made the 1st all-nba team all those years millions of people won the MVPs... and the same way he (Kobe) still will probably be 1st all-nba yet again... but Lebron not winning the MVP or not being one of the 2 favorites remains to be seen at the end of the season
Why you (pauk) are posting the same way he (Lakersreign) used to post like?
secund2nun
12-21-2012, 03:08 PM
Melo has no shot of winning MVP. If he somehow did he would join Rose as the worst MVP choice of all time. The guy is far below Durant, Lebron. He is so overrated it's crazy.
arifgokcen
12-21-2012, 03:39 PM
btw lebron is averaging 7apg not 6apg.
Umad101
12-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Unfortunately i feel like melo will get the short end of the stick. Dude is do disrespected by the media
LikeABosh
12-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Melo's numbers will drop and I can say that with 100% certainty, and Lebron is coasting right now. By the end of the season it'll be:
Lebron- 26.5 ppg, 53% shooting, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Melo- 26 ppg, 45% shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
Pacers4ever
12-21-2012, 04:04 PM
LeBron has the better individual season easily
25 ppg 8.5 rpg 6.8 apg 54% > 28ppg 6.2 rpg 1.9 apg 47%fg
how does carmelo get in over lebron? This is nba first team of the best individual players.
LikeABosh
12-21-2012, 04:07 PM
LeBron has the better individual season easily
25 ppg 8.5 rpg 6.8 apg 54% > 28ppg 6.2 rpg 1.9 apg 47%fg
how does carmelo get in over lebron? This is nba first team of the best individual players.
Apparently PPG>rebounds, assists, fg%, efficiency, defense etc.
Sarcastic
12-21-2012, 04:13 PM
Melo's numbers will drop and I can say that with 100% certainty, and Lebron is coasting right now. By the end of the season it'll be:
Lebron- 26.5 ppg, 53% shooting, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Melo- 26 ppg, 45% shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
Can you also tell me what tonight's winning lotto numbers will be?
Pacers4ever
12-21-2012, 04:13 PM
Apparently PPG>rebounds, assists, fg%, efficiency, defense etc.
that's usually kobe stan logic.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-21-2012, 04:16 PM
Melo's numbers will drop and I can say that with 100% certainty, and Lebron is coasting right now. By the end of the season it'll be:
Lebron- 26.5 ppg, 53% shooting, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Melo- 26 ppg, 45% shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
Durant is the MVP to me right now. His stats are insane, but more importantly his efficiency is unheard of for a shooter. His defense and passing is much improved too. IMHO, he would average 33-38ppg if he had the green light like Harden to shoot every play.
Sarcastic
12-21-2012, 04:27 PM
Durant is the MVP to me right now. His stats are insane, but more importantly his efficiency is unheard of for a shooter. His defense and passing is much improved too. IMHO, he would average 33-38ppg if he had the green light like Harden to shoot every play.
Maybe but his efficiency would suffer.
kennethgriffin
12-21-2012, 04:28 PM
Melo's numbers will drop and I can say that with 100% certainty, and Lebron is coasting right now. By the end of the season it'll be:
Lebron- 26.5 ppg, 53% shooting, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Melo- 26 ppg, 45% shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
since when does coasting ( mailing it in, not caring because your teams too good ) automatically justify anyone of mvp or 1st team consideration
if anything the fact that other guys are giving it their all and out performing lebron and the heat should make it an easy decision
Hittin_Shots
12-21-2012, 04:33 PM
since when does coasting ( mailing it in, not caring because your teams too good ) automatically justify anyone of mvp or 1st team consideration
if anything the fact that other guys are giving it their all and out performing lebron and the heat should make it an easy decision
But they are not outperforming him, stats other than ppg matter... Efficiency matters... Defence is half the game.. It matters.. 3ppg > 2 reb 5 assists and 7%fg now?
LikeABosh
12-21-2012, 04:33 PM
since when does coasting ( mailing it in, not caring because your teams too good ) automatically justify anyone of mvp or 1st team consideration
if anything the fact that other guys are giving it their all and out performing lebron and the heat should make it an easy decision
Lebron will amp it up second half of the season. Melo isn't out performing him either, that is bullshit. Lebron gets nearly 4 times the assists, 2.5 more rebounds, fg% is much higher, better defense. What, does Melo's 2 more ppg on 3 more shots trump that? :oldlol:
LikeABosh
12-21-2012, 04:34 PM
But they are not outperforming him, stats other than ppg matter... Efficiency matters... Defence is half the game.. It matters.. 3ppg > 2 reb 5 assists and 7%fg now?
He's a Kobe fan. What do you expect?
DJ Leon Smith
12-21-2012, 04:35 PM
Saying someone is "coasting" as a reason for lack of performance is never an excuse. It's the same reason Kobe fans will attack Kobe's relatively poor defensive stats - "HE'S A GREAT DEFENDER WHEN HE TRIES".
LeBron fans fall back. Either he's the MVP or he's not. Otherwise Jeff could claim he's the NBA's MVP but just isn't putting the effort in yet.
chazzy
12-21-2012, 04:55 PM
Lebron, Melo, and Kobe have similar scoring efficiency. Durant is a good bit ahead of all of them in that category
Wang Zhi Zhi
12-21-2012, 05:47 PM
If anyone honestly believes LeBron wont make 1st team they're an idiot
BlazersDozen
12-21-2012, 05:55 PM
You have no idea what usage percentage is. Admit it.
An estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while hes on the court.
If anyone honestly believes LeBron wont make 1st team they're an idiot
^This.^
And to directly address the OP... MVP voting has little to do with all NBA team selections. Finishing 1st and 2nd in the MVP, even from the same position, doesn't mean that you are now going to be named to the all NBA team in that order. Finally, all NBA selections are probably the closest things to individual achievements these days. While a player obviously must show some individual greatness to be named league MVP, these days, there are often so many other factors that affect MVP voting such as team record, whether the team improved, media perception of the player, etc.
LikeABosh
12-21-2012, 06:47 PM
Why are we talking about The All NBA First Team as if it's relevant or matters at all?
dunksby
12-21-2012, 07:05 PM
We haven't even passed a third of the season mark...
We haven't even passed a third of the season mark...
Haters are thirsty with even the possibility. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Whoah10115
12-22-2012, 03:15 AM
Apparently PPG>rebounds, assists, fg%, efficiency, defense etc.
Apparently, so do stats.
Lebron is the best player in the world and there's no question about it. His defense -despite yesterday's game- has not been great this year. Anthony has played better defense...not generally allowed, as I know you think Lebron being better means he's always playing better, but it's the truth. Anthony is playing fewer minutes to put up his stats...oh, and just because Lebron is averaging a lot of assists and has that game doesn't mean he's utilizing it as well as he should. He's overdominating the ball and -while he's been great- this is the worst start to a season he's had since...way too long to remember.
His rebounding has been very impressive and so has his shooting. But after the good start passing the ball, he's doing too much with it. If you think he's been better than Anthony and even Durant, that's fine. It's not like I think he's way behind. But your arguments have little to do with an objective eye test performed so far this season.
Hoopz2332
12-22-2012, 03:36 AM
Haters are thirsty with even the possibility. :roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol
Hoopz2332
12-22-2012, 03:39 AM
Lebron, Melo, and Kobe have similar scoring efficiency. Durant is a good bit ahead of all of them in that category
Lebron is actually better at putting the ball in the hoop than all of them...the others are hitting a higher rate of FT's so it reflects in TS%
Haters are thirsty with even the possibility. :roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol:
bdreason
12-22-2012, 05:40 AM
Team success has more relevance on MVP award than it does All-NBA honors.
Next question.
IMO they should reward players who can play multiple positions like Lebron by putting them at guard in a situation like this. And Kobe doesn't deserve 1st team at this point regardless of Lebron. Both CP3 and Westbrook deserve it more. Either way, it would be absolutely ridiculous if Lebron, Melo, or Durant don't make it but Kobe does.
chazzy
12-22-2012, 12:01 PM
And Kobe doesn't deserve 1st team at this point regardless of Lebron. Both CP3 and Westbrook deserve it more.
All NBA has typically been more about individual play compared to MVPs.. Kobe's been better than both
KOBE143
12-22-2012, 12:19 PM
All NBA 2nd team for LeBron? Not bad.. :kobe:
Sarcastic
12-22-2012, 12:36 PM
An estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while hes on the court.
You get an A for being able to copy pasta off the internet. But the way you referenced it before, you tried to make it seem as if it were a bad stat or something. Let's see if you can explain what it is in better detail.
BlazersDozen
12-22-2012, 01:35 PM
You get an A for being able to copy pasta off the internet. But the way you referenced it before, you tried to make it seem as if it were a bad stat or something. Let's see if you can explain what it is in better detail.
How did I make it seem like it was bad? I was saying LeBron is putting up similar if not better numbers than Carmelo while being used 5% less than Carmelo is. It's supporting my argument that even at this moment, LeBron would make NBA 1st Team over Melo. :hammerhead:
All Net
12-22-2012, 01:36 PM
You mean how chandler won defensive player of the year yet failed to make 1st team?
Lebron23
12-22-2012, 05:00 PM
IMO they should reward players who can play multiple positions like Lebron by putting them at guard in a situation like this. And Kobe doesn't deserve 1st team at this point regardless of Lebron. Both CP3 and Westbrook deserve it more. Either way, it would be absolutely ridiculous if Lebron, Melo, or Durant don't make it but Kobe does.
LeBron will be voted in the All NBA First Team, But i really like your idea.
Lebron is the best player in the league, he'll be the first one selected to nba first team. 25 ppg, 9 rpg and 7apg never ends up in 2nd team.
fpliii
12-22-2012, 06:02 PM
Lebron is the best player in the league, he'll be the first one selected to nba first team. 25 ppg, 9 rpg and 7apg never ends up in 2nd team.
http://bkref.com/tiny/VN3uq
so far, players with 25/9/7 rounded up have made it 9/9 times
this year could be interesting though I suppose
BTW some people in this thread have speculated that the All-NBA team will go to a 3 frontcourt/2 backcourt selection instead (just as the All-Star starters have). Is there any chance this is the case? It could compromise the integrity of the award...
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