Lets be real folks, how much does an NBA player DESERVE to make?

[jongib369]

My opinion, 70-150 thousand would suffice...POSSIBLY 200 thousand.... I love basketball, and even though these guys dedicate there lives to the sport they make WAY too much. No shit but still, how much do you guys think they should make?

Rookie 3 year Salary
Darko Milicic $11,596,440

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[jongib369]

If I had that kind of money when I was 18-20 as soon as the 3 seasons were done I'd move somewhere and...

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:lol Just sayin

[bdreason]

They deserve to make a large % of Basketball revenue, probably more than they already make.


And you can point to guys like Darko as being overpaid, then you can point to superstars like LeBron who would be making twice as much in a sport like Baseball or Soccer, or pretty much any solid player on a rookie contract who is making far below his real value.

[ispin69]

Whatever someone is willing to pay them: free market.

[jongib369]

Whatever someone is willing to pay them: free market.
Well of course I'm not saying force them to be paid less X).. They just shouldn't be getting paid that much for playing a game imo

Wilt Chamberlain shocked the NBA in 1962 by turning down an offer of $25,000 ($183,357 today adjusted for inflation) which was more than the highest-paid player at the time Bob Cousey, who earned $22,500.

[SyRyanYang]

Lets be real op, how many terrible threads have you made today ALONE:facepalm

[jongib369]

Lets be real op, how many terrible threads have you made today ALONE:facepalm
Why would I care if its bad?

[Fiba basketball]

You forget that players that can became pros need to practice so much that they don't have a time for school and when they finish playing basketball they are going to find a job harder than educatet people .

[Cali Syndicate]

What i want to know is how much of it are they giving back to the communities, or if at all.

[jongib369]

You forget that players that can became pros need to practice so much that they don't have a time for school and when they finish playing basketball they are going to find a job harder than educatet people .
That's true, coming from that perspective I could understand why having a cushion if it fails would be nice....Def would be a problem for "bench warmers".

Off topic but I also think there should be 12-16 teams tops...Back in the day when Wilt was scoring 50PPG he faced Russell 12 times during the Reg season. It wouldn't be that much but seeing some of these guys be able to go head2head more often with more exciting/stacked teams sounds epic

[jongib369]

What i want to know is how much of it are they giving back to the communities, or if at all.
That's an interesting question....I wonder which NBA player has given the most to charity...Not that it would make him a good person

[StroShow4]

If any idiot could play basketball at the NBA level then they wouldn't make so much. What they earn makes perfect sense. I'm sorry, but this is a f@cking stupid thread and I'm closing it.

[StroShow4]

Alright, if you're going to whine about it, have your little discussion.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Alright, if you're going to whine about it, have your little discussion.



Aww. The grinch gave little Johnny his early x-mas gift.

See, he's not a bad guy

[Bandito]

They don't deserve to make that much from just playing basketball, but I prefer them having that money than the owners. They are the one playing on the court not the rich bastards behind the scenes (agents, owners, advertising etc...)

[Legends66NBA7]

My opinion, 70-150 thousand would suffice...POSSIBLY 200 thousand.... I love basketball, and even though these guys dedicate there lives to the sport they make WAY too much. No shit but still, how much do you guys think they should make?

I don't really have problem with how much they make. Infact, it's not just as simple as their salaries, but as others have touched up on in this thread, they should be getting more from sponsors and other basketball related revenue. The players make the NBA work.

Superstar players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant probably need to command more money than they actually do because of how much their name value can sell out an arena, shoe products, etc...

So no, they certainly don't deserve the price your giving them... I could probably see a lack on interest from players wanting to make the league at those type of salaries since all the amounts of practice and long schedules wouldn't be worth effort to put their bodies through such turmoil.


That's just my view on it.

[jongib369]

Alright, if you're going to whine about it, have your little discussion.
If I'm not mistaken, you're the one who started the whining instead of just letting a "stupid" post be and continue on to the next one in the first place. You can have your 'little power trip if you want.

I just don't get whats so stupid about it, maybe its because I posted it but still lol...I thought it was the majority opinion that all athletes not just NBA players are waaay overpaid. They are pros and dedicate there lives to it...but like I said, I can think of many other jobs where people not only do that but put there life on the line *deserving* more money than someone who plays basketball...

Maybe Im just bat shit crazy, dumb and missing something but to me its redic how much some make...but like one poster said, having cushion for after they retire or if it doesnt workout as hopped

[dunksby]

I'd rather have talented athletes getting paid millions than some useless bum on some stupid TV show or movie.

[Kews1]

They undoubtedly deserve to be paid the large salaries they are paid, it would be unfair and unethical for them to be paid any less when they create the amount of revenue that they do. They are not typical employees as the success or failure of the business is entirely dependent on them so they can demand these higher pay rates. Their human capital is off the charts they have unique and rare skill sets which allow them to also demand the higher pay. IMO they undoubtedly deserve what they are paid, basketball in this sense is not just a game it is entertainment which we as consumers choose to pay to see in a variety of ways so whether or not you agree you condone their salaries by consuming their products which is the games

[9erempiree]

I think they deserve it.

If you had a chance to pay Kobe or Lebron 50k to play in one game in your city, you know you would because you can make 10 times that off ticket sales and merchandise.

The league just does it on a greater scale .

[jongib369]

I don't really have problem with how much they make. Infact, it's not just as simple as their salaries, but as others have touched up on in this thread, they should be getting more from sponsors and other basketball related revenue. The players make the NBA work.

Superstar players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant probably need to command more money than they actually do because of how much their name value can sell out an arena, shoe products, etc...

So no, they certainly don't deserve the price your giving them... I could probably see a lack on interest from players wanting to make the league at those type of salaries since all the amounts of practice and long schedules wouldn't be worth effort to put their bodies through such turmoil.


That's just my view on it.
You make a great point, I just cant personally look at how much a marine made while in Iraq seeing lots of action VS someone who plays basketball and be content with what they make. Obviously I wish I could make that much, but I'm not saying this out of jealousy.

Can you possibly elaborate on this and say why you think they should make more than someone like a marine, fire fighter, President etc? Obviously its impossible for the other jobs to make that much, but if doing that EARNS a nba player that much money....those boys who were in IRAQ were shorted about 2 billion each in there salaries...I'm sure the fed wont see a problem printing the money for it though. They seem to get off on it haha

[dunksby]

You make a great point, I just cant personally look at how much a marine made while in Iraq seeing lots of action VS someone who plays basketball and be content with what they make. Obviously I wish I could make that much, but I'm not saying this out of jealousy.

Can you possibly elaborate on this and say why you think they should make more than someone like a marine, fire fighter, President etc? Obviously its impossible for the other jobs to make that much, but if doing that EARNS a nba player that much money....those boys who were in IRAQ were shorted about 2 billion each in there salaries...I'm sure the fed wont see a problem printing the money for it though. They seem to get off on it haha
I don't think there is one marine who does not feel shorted after seeing action in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[whippyAU]

Welcome to Earth where putting a ball in a hoop can earn you many a Benjamin. Peace

[9erempiree]

You make a great point, I just cant personally look at how much a marine made while in Iraq seeing lots of action VS someone who plays basketball and be content with what they make. Obviously I wish I could make that much, but I'm not saying this out of jealousy.

Can you possibly elaborate on this and say why you think they should make more than someone like a marine, fire fighter, President etc? Obviously its impossible for the other jobs to make that much, but if doing that EARNS a nba player that much money....those boys who were in IRAQ were shorted about 2 billion each in there salaries...I'm sure the fed wont see a problem printing the money for it though. They seem to get off on it haha

Then it's not about athletes being overpaid because teams think they deserve this.

Perhaps, you should blame the federal government for valuing so less of the Marines life, the firefighter or President. These people are public servants and taking millions of dollars would be ludicrous when those millions can go back to the public.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If the money doesn't go to the players it will go to the owners. Do they "deserve" it more? This is capitalism. Welcome to America.

[jongib369]

They undoubtedly deserve to be paid the large salaries they are paid, it would be unfair and unethical for them to be paid any less when they create the amount of revenue that they do. They are not typical employees as the success or failure of the business is entirely dependent on them so they can demand these higher pay rates. Their human capital is off the charts they have unique and rare skill sets which allow them to also demand the higher pay. IMO they undoubtedly deserve what they are paid, basketball in this sense is not just a game it is entertainment which we as consumers choose to pay to see in a variety of ways so whether or not you agree you condone their salaries by consuming their products which is the games
Like I said to another poster, great point. It's just the idea oh how much an NBA player makes in comparisson to lets say a Marine who served in Iraq and saw lots of actions serving many tours got paid bothers me

I LOVE basketball. The history, watching, playing what have you. But even if I was an NBA player I'd hold the same position. I'd take the lowest salary possible and to the average man its still ****ing fantastic and I get to travel all over and obsess about basketball...nothing but basletball...do you have any odea how appealing this is to someone who aspergers out on basketball? lmao

Oh those rigid routines!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4

:lol

[Kews1]

You make a great point, I just cant personally look at how much a marine made while in Iraq seeing lots of action VS someone who plays basketball and be content with what they make. Obviously I wish I could make that much, but I'm not saying this out of jealousy.

Can you possibly elaborate on this and say why you think they should make more than someone like a marine, fire fighter, President etc? Obviously its impossible for the other jobs to make that much, but if doing that EARNS a nba player that much money....those boys who were in IRAQ were shorted about 2 billion each in there salaries...I'm sure the fed wont see a problem printing the money for it though. They seem to get off on it haha

Printing money, at least large amounts of money (2billion for each solider), decreases what the money is worth. Not a good idea

[9erempiree]

Like I said to another poster, great point. It's just the idea oh how much an NBA player makes in comparisson to lets say a Marine who served in Iraq and saw lots of actions serving many tours got paid bothers me

I LOVE basketball. The history, watching, playing what have you. But even if I was an NBA player I'd hold the same position. I'd take the lowest salary possible and to the average man its still ****ing fantastic and I get to travel all over and obsess about basketball...nothing but basletball...do you have any odea how appealing this is to someone who aspergers out on basketball? lmao

Oh those rigid routines!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4

:lol

You're just settling in life and happy of what you got.

These are competitors and how would it feel if the guy that is not as good as you are is making ten times the money you are?

[Kews1]

Like I said to another poster, great point. It's just the idea oh how much an NBA player makes in comparisson to lets say a Marine who served in Iraq and saw lots of actions serving many tours got paid bothers me

I LOVE basketball. The history, watching, playing what have you. But even if I was an NBA player I'd hold the same position. I'd take the lowest salary possible and to the average man its still ****ing fantastic and I get to travel all over and obsess about basketball...nothing but basletball...do you have any odea how appealing this is to someone who aspergers out on basketball? lmao

Oh those rigid routines!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4

:lol

I understand your point that compared with others who obviously do more meaningful work deserve more, but the people who deserve it are always going to be at odds with what its popular. The people who manufacture or preform something that is popular are always going to win and thats almost never the things that are actually important

[eriX]

If the money doesn't go to the players it will go to the owners. Do they "deserve" it more? This is capitalism. Welcome to America.

This. :applause:

They are only getting paid what they generate... they are not going to be paid millions if they don't generate that in return.

[jongib369]

Printing money, at least large amounts of money (2billion for each solider), decreases what the money is worth. Not a good idea
I know, if Im not mistaken QE3 ended but they printed about 40 billion a month for awhile...So I'm sure they wouldn't mind *get the joke?lol

[Kews1]

I know, if Im not mistaken QE3 ended but they printed about 40 billion a month for awhile...So I'm sure they wouldn't mind *get the joke?lol

haha i did i was just saying

[pmj]

You obviously don't understand scarcity. There are hundreds of people in the world that are good enough to be in the NBA. This is why the sport gets billions and they get a % of that.

If you are asking, does their skill provide the equivalent value to society, then the answer is no but that's not how we pay people.

[jongib369]

If the money doesn't go to the players it will go to the owners. Do they "deserve" it more? This is capitalism. Welcome to America.
Good point! but once again, NBA players IMO are not doing something WORTH that much money despite what the league is earning from it...BUT, Id rather those greedy ****s not get there hands on it..they way it is now WILL be how it has to be. I just dont agree with how much they make in compaired to what I;ve said........ hey, maybe obama Can take about half there money since they are so freakin rich and then let the government distribute it to people who need it. (joking)

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[Legends66NBA7]

Can you possibly elaborate on this and say why you think they should make more than someone like a marine, fire fighter, President etc?

As someone already touched up on it, it's because of how rare some of these professional basketball players can be. Not many of them are in high demand like a marine, fire fighter, etc... So, these players are going to get paid more. Anybody, if they worked hard enough, could be a marine and fire fighter. It's not always the case to be a pro athlete.

Also, not that I follow politics a lot, but aren't there a lot of jobs that have higher salaries than the President ? I'm pretty sure that is the case. All former Presidents get all benefits and royalties after they have finished their service, correct ? I think the President has it made, really.

[jongib369]

You obviously don't understand scarcity. There are hundreds of people in the world that are good enough to be in the NBA. This is why the sport gets billions and they get a % of that.

If you are asking, does their skill provide the equivalent value to society, then the answer is no but that's not how we pay people.
The second part is my question which didn't get across properly

[jongib369]

As someone already touched up on it, it's because of how rare some of these professional basketball players can be. Not many of them are in high demand like a marine, fire fighter, etc... So, these players are going to get paid more. Anybody, if they worked hard enough, could be a marine and fire fighter. It's not always the case to be a pro athlete.

Also, not that I follow politics a lot, but aren't there a lot of jobs that have higher salaries than the President ? I'm pretty sure that is the case. All former Presidents get all benefits and royalties after they have finished their service, correct ? I think the President has it made, really.
I forgot how much they make afterwards but in 1999 I believe bill clinton changed how much the pres makes from 200,000 to 400,000 which didnt take effect until Bush become pres...yes, a lot of Jobs do make more than the president, and possibly rightfully so. Theres just no way in hell IMO someone can defend how much a NBA player makes looking at it from this perspective (which I understand isnt how the world works)

"f you are asking, does their skill provide the equivalent value to society, then the answer is no but that's not how we pay people."

[gigantes]

You forget that players that can became pros need to practice so much that they don't have a time for school and when they finish playing basketball they are going to find a job harder than educatet people .
i can buy that premise for the average europlayer, maybe, but not so much for the average NBA player. most NBA players wouldn't come within sniffing distance of a four year degree, and the idea of their academic careers being hurt because of basketball looks good on paper but doesn't have much basis in reality.

anyway.

i guess i can't complain that in a capitalist democracy, athletes and entertainers make filthy amounts of money from the show that they provide the fans. all i know is that i'm not buying in to that whole program. i'm not going to pay all that money getting decent seats at events, buy the apparel and sneaks, spend $150 on a mediocre quality LP broadband feed, etc, etc. it's just too much.

used to be that the typical sports owner was a remorseless SOB who didn't give a crap about the players, and the fans benefited by being able to attend games for the price of a movie or something. awesome for the fans, terrible for the players. later, the age of sports agents changed everything, and now athletes are zillionaries, and being a dedicated fan will cost you a small fortune. awesome for the athletes, not so great for the fans.

all i'm saying... it would just be nice if there was a happy medium. not totally sure, but i think the OP is saying that too.

[WillC]

If any idiot could play basketball at the NBA level then they wouldn't make so much. What they earn makes perfect sense. I'm sorry, but this is a f@cking stupid thread and I'm closing it.

What a classy moderator; swearing and closing a valid thread while leaving open dozens of other ridiculous threads full of bullying, harassment and vulgarity.

:rolleyes:

[Kews1]

Yea the president gets paid $400,000. The president is actually paid fairly poorly when you take into account the amount leaders of other governments are paid. I belive that both the leaders of Australia and New Zealand are paid more and also even the mayor of London is paid more. If i remember correctly there are even US governors who are paid better than the president but i cant remember which

[jongib369]

What a classy moderator; swearing and closing a valid thread while leaving open dozens of other ridiculous threads full of bullying, harassment and vulgarity.

:rolleyes:
Haha right? it's not a big deal, but still I started cracking up when some old posts I've seen on here came to mind :lol

[Kblaze8855]

When a few hundred people are the main attraction in generating several billion dollars a year they will be rich. if the money didn't go to them it will go to the even richer owners who have considerably less to do with what attracts the fans in the first place.

when you really think about it complaining about the money athletes make considering how much they generate is pretty childish.

you can put 20 people in front of 20,000 fans paying big money with millions at home and sell advertising concessions parking and god knows what else....

the league has multi billion dollar contracts with Disney , TNT, and international broadcasters.

considering how rarely I get sick but how often I support Sports in one way or another I'll probably generate a lot more money for athletes than I do doctors. So why would I wonder why they get paid more?

these questions really suggest a fundamental lack of understanding of how the real world works

[jongib369]

When a few hundred people are the main attraction in generating several billion dollars a year they will be rich. if the money didn't go to them it will go to the even richer owners who have considerably less to do with what attracts the fans in the first place.

when you really think about it complaining about the money athletes make considering how much they generate is pretty childish.

you can put 20 people in front of 20,000 fans paying big money with millions at home and sell advertising concessions parking and god knows what else....

the league has multi billion dollar contracts with Disney , TNT, and international broadcasters.

considering how rarely I get sick but how often I support Sports in one way or another I'll probably generate a lot more money for athletes than I do doctors. So why would I wonder why they get paid more?

these questions really suggest a fundamental lack of understanding of how the real world works
Thanks for the response, but saying that I have a fundemental lack of understanding for how the real world works is rude considering the perspective I was trying to get across in the question.

"when you really think about it complaining about the money athletes make considering how much they generate is pretty childish."

I disagree, all I'm saying is what they are doing for US is not worth shit compared to what other people do who make way less...I'm looking past revenue, scarcity and all of that. I'm looking at it PURELY for what it is. I KNOW it's not how the real world works. I know that even though a soldier deserves 20 times what an NBA player makes, he will most likely not make what Lebron did his first 3 years in 10


I just really don't like that while Joe Schmoe in Iraq who was getting shot at only made so much while Javale Mcgee made 30 times what he did in half the time.

[Kews1]

Supply & Demand

[Kblaze8855]

if you're looking past revenue generated as you said...... yes I will call it quite childish.

if you know that isn't how the real world works why are you asking a question about the real world?

of course soldiers should be paid more considering that they give their lives......

but where would you get the money to pay as many soldiers as we have the money that NBA players make because it only takes 400 of them to generate 4,000,000,000 dollars a year?

It's one of those questions that makes sense morally but just doesn't need explaining to anyone i feel it's trying to think it out. as I said if you want to pay players less you just give money to even fewer people who have 10 times the money any player does.

when you and a couple billion other people stop supporting sports there will stop being tens of billions of dollars to pay the relatively few people responsible for generating it.

I choose to continue enjoying Sports. So I don't need to wonder why they get paid so much or complain about it. It's clearly my fault and the fault of people like me.

and complaining about something you are largely responsible for seems quite childish. Doesn't it?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Good point! but once again, NBA players IMO are not doing something WORTH that much money despite what the league is earning from it...BUT, Id rather those greedy ****s not get there hands on it..they way it is now WILL be how it has to be. I just dont agree with how much they make in compaired to what I;ve said........ hey, maybe obama Can take about half there money since they are so freakin rich and then let the government distribute it to people who need it. (joking)
Thing is, that redistribution you joke of is the only answer to this "problem." In my eyes the progressive tax code does enough of that, we don't want government hopping in and telling everyone what they can and can't make. If you want that, that's communism. Not the curse word to my ears that it is to some but not a system that I endorse. Talented people should be allowed to make money off of their talent.

Nor does it make sense to single out NBA players as being undeserving. How much does a CEO deserve? What does celebrity attorney deserve? A movie star? Rapper? Are we just going to take every rich person and decide whether or not what they do merits wealth? The only logical conclusion to your type of thinking is communism. In a capitalist society what you make is what you can get someone to pay you.

[maybeshewill13]

Exactly as people have said. If they didn't earn the money, all of it would be going to large corporations and billionaire owners.

[Kblaze8855]

I didn't even see that. maybe Obama can take half the money?

after taxes lawyers agents and escrow I wonder how much money he thinks an NBA player makes out of his contract.

I have lost serious money to capital gains taxes on citi stock profits. Idon't even wanna know what the NBA players are paying out tax and fee wise.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I didn't even see that. maybe Obama can take half the money?

after taxes lawyers agents and escrow I wonder how much money he thinks an NBA player makes out of his contract.

I have lost serious money to capital gains taxes on citi stock profits. Idon't even wanna know what the NBA players are paying out tax and fee wise.
Did jongib just make us join the Tea Party?

[jongib369]

if you're looking past revenue generated as you said...... yes I will call it quite childish.

if you know that isn't how the real world works why are you asking a question about the real world?

of course soldiers should be paid more considering that they give their lives......

but where would you get the money to pay as many soldiers as we have the money that NBA players make because it only takes 400 of them to generate 4,000,000,000 dollars a year?

It's one of those questions that makes sense morally but just doesn't need explaining to anyone i feel it's trying to think it out. as I said if you want to pay players less you just give money to even fewer people who have 10 times the money any player does.

when you and a couple billion other people stop supporting sports there will stop being tens of billions of dollars to pay the relatively few people responsible for generating it.

I choose to continue enjoying Sports. So I don't need to wonder why they get paid so much or complain about it. It's clearly my fault and the fault of people like me.

and complaining about something you are largely responsible for seems quite childish. Doesn't it?

What's childish about asking questions? Do people not question how much other athletes or other job positions make vs what they are actually doing? And does it make them childish?

Is it childish to ask a what if question like "How would Wilt do in todays league" since it's not the real world?

I like your posts, love your videos. But disagree that trying to guide posters so they understand what perspective I am viewing this from is childish. I was trying to view this just "morally" to hear others opinions. And although I love what I'm getting so far, quite a few people aren;t getting that I do know/have considered most of what they said. My fault for half assing it and now going into full depth about everything.

haha w/e though :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

I bet if I made the NBA and saw that first check and looked over and saw how much I just paid in taxes id probably get Jim Demint on the phone to talk about how obamas america is keeping me from creating new jobs.

[jongib369]

I didn't even see that. maybe Obama can take half the money?

after taxes lawyers agents and escrow I wonder how much money he thinks an NBA player makes out of his contract.

I have lost serious money to capital gains taxes on citi stock profits. Idon't even wanna know what the NBA players are paying out tax and fee wise.
You know I was joking about that right? haha

[jongib369]

I bet if I made the NBA and saw that first check and looked over and saw how much I just paid in taxes id probably get Jim Demint on the phone to talk about how obamas america is keeping me from creating new jobs.
Jim Demint..where do I know that name...I've heard Ron Paul talk about him possibly...did I look over someone big? lol

[Kblaze8855]

yes I would absolutely say anyone who doesn't understand why athletes are so rich is childish.

we all are from time to time. I spent like 2 hours creating what I feel is a realistic all time Harlem Globetrotters roster on NBA 2k13 just so i could get young wilt out on the break with Connie Hawkins and Bill Cosby(look into it).

I play games and probably eat aittle too much candy. you seem to lack a good grasp on the real world economically. doesn't make you a douchebag or anything. I just really don't see how someone with an adult mentality who thinks it out asks that question.

[jongib369]

Thing is, that redistribution you joke of is the only answer to this "problem." In my eyes the progressive tax code does enough of that, we don't want government hopping in and telling everyone what they can and can't make. If you want that, that's communism. Not the curse word to my ears that it is to some but not a system that I endorse. Talented people should be allowed to make money off of their talent.

Nor does it make sense to single out NBA players as being undeserving. How much does a CEO deserve? What does celebrity attorney deserve? A movie star? Rapper? Are we just going to take every rich person and decide whether or not what they do merits wealth? The only logical conclusion to your type of thinking is communism. In a capitalist society what you make is what you can get someone to pay you.
LOL nooo noo noo.....I'm not saying we should do anything about it...if they make a billion dollars a year....**** THEM but it's there right...I'm a Ron Paul Libertarian, the furthest thing from a communist XD

[heyhey]

umm, deserve? impossible to answer in this age of moral relativism.

[jongib369]

yes I would absolutely say anyone who doesn't understand why athletes are so rich is childish.

we all are from time to time. I spent like 2 hours creating what I feel is a realistic all time Harlem Globetrotters roster on NBA 2k13 just so i could get young wilt out on the break with Connie Hawkins and Bill Cosby(look into it).

I play games and probably eat aittle too much candy. you seem to lack a good grasp on the real world economically. doesn't make you a douchebag or anything. I just really don't see how someone with an adult mentality who thinks it out asks that question.
I do understand why they are, I was just trying to look at it from a different angle...But can see how that can be childish despite the fact I was ignoring real world for a reason. I thought of it as no different as when people ask how Jerry West would fair against Jordan (I really wanna know that lol). But in no way am I saying I have a firm grasp on everything, rudimentary but I knew pretty much what everyone said.


don't think they should do anything to lower the amount they get or anything also...Like people said, I'd rather see them have it vs the owners.

This is off the original topic but a big LOL at the Harlem Globetrotter team...Because I am currently wearing my Wilt Chamberlain harlem globetrotter jersey :lol

What did you rate his speed? If they rate old Russell a 77, running not even half the speed I've seen him sprint down court....I'd say the both of them prime must of been in the high 80's low 90's possibly? And a 94 block rating for Wilt O_o....The guy who has blocked the skyhook numerous times...at that age....I didn't look at McGee block rating in fear of what i'd see haha

[SwayDizzle]

If I had that kind of money when I was 18-20 as soon as the 3 seasons were done I'd move somewhere and...

http://theweedbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mass-producing-weed.jpg

:lol Just sayin
:applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers:

[I<3NBA]

they deserve to make as much as teams are willing to give them. if some players are earning much more than their worth as a player, that's the fault of teams that overpay them. this is just the natural effect of supply and demand. if you don't understand that, then please go back to school and study because you seriously need proper education.

however, guaranteed contracts have no place in sports. (or in real labor agreements for that matter. people should be paid for what they work for, not for what they stand for). what players need are guaranteed medical insurance. but guaranteed payment for a number of years without playing one minute is just senseless. it promotes laziness and you see what we call "contract players."

NBA players deserve to make as much as the market dictates. but they don't deserve guaranteed contracts. if they fail to perform, the employer should have the right to terminate their employment without having to pay the rest .

[InfiniteBaskets]

Good point! but once again, NBA players IMO are not doing something WORTH that much money despite what the league is earning from it...BUT, Id rather those greedy ****s not get there hands on it..they way it is now WILL be how it has to be. I just dont agree with how much they make in compaired to what I;ve said........ hey, maybe obama Can take about half there money since they are so freakin rich and then let the government distribute it to people who need it. (joking)


Let the government decide how much each occupation gets to keep out of all the nation-wide revenue each year?

[La Frescobaldi]

Alright, if you're going to whine about it, have your little discussion.
LMAO that is funny tho

[LikeABosh]

Do you understand how a free market works? All the fans are the ones paying 100's or even thousands of dollars per ticket, buying millions and million and jerseys and other merchandise. Then stations like TNT, ESPN, ABC etc are willing to pay massive amounts of money to televise games because the fans are the ones responsible for huge ratings. The NBA is a multi billion dollar business.

[97 bulls]

Im just curious as to why its always athletes that are considered overpaid. Have you seen the small town the owner of Pappa Johns pizza lives in? Going by your logic, why doss he deserve so much money just from peddling pizzas. And this goes for all businesmen and women that are that rich

Why do any of them deserve to make that much money?

[DJ Leon Smith]

I want the OP to say where he thinks the money the NBA generates should go. Either you think players are underpaid or owners are underpaid.

Do you want Blake Griffin and Chris Paul getting most of the Clippers revenue or Donald Sterling? Go.

[La Frescobaldi]

We used to debate this clear back when. The big argument was because of Pistol Pete Maravich.

He was earning some kind of crazy amount of money. Maravich had a two million dollar contract as a rookie!!! Now you have to understand, in those days a brand new Corvette cost $4500 sticker, and beautiful homes were running 15 or 20 thousand dollars.

Yet his team (not that Hawks team he got drafted onto, but it was the New Orleans Jazz at the time of this argument we had) was clearly awful. The Jazz were real bad, did not draw gate hardly even with Pete on the team, and couldn't beat the junior varsity unless there was flu going around.

And now keep in mind, the guy we are talking about. Pete Maravich as far as I am concerned was the most skilled offensive player (as far as his personal abilities with the ball) to ever play basketball. Certainly he was the most exciting that the NBA has seen so far. Dude would just light you up like a flamethrower.

The upshot of our investigations was twofold.

One, the players should earn a lot because of what they do, but surprisingly the owners are truly the ones carrying the load. They have to figure out how to pay for the arena, the trips, airplanes, training table, medical staff, coaches, gyms and their janitors, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, hot tubs............ EVERY DETAIL of the players business lives. It's a gigantic enterprise running an NBA team, and the risks are even bigger.

Now keep in mind, we are no longer talking about athletes and so forth. We are talking about business. Cost analysis, budgets, staffing and HR, financial models and risk management.... Today we say "what kind of risk taking fool throws down all that money on Darko?" But yet Darko was considered a plum investment within the industry at the time - tall, skilled, fairly athletic really - who could have known he had the competitive heart of a lizard?

Or what about Baron? There's no doubt that man could play some hoops but what can you do when his body broke under the immense weight of his competitive spirit?

The conclusion was the owners are putting up enormous risk, and thus - no different from any business venture - they should stand to make enormous gain. No one bashes a guy who makes a killing in mining stock options, but how often does it happen as compared to the millions of people who get creamed in that risky business.
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And the second part of the equation is this.

The clearest insights into human nature of any thing out there you can see - are the clearest of all when watching a basketball team go through a season. To see the leadership of guys like Derek Fisher or John Havlicek under extreme adversity.... the team spirit and sportsmanship of Bibby, C Webber and those Kings teams when they were cheated out of their chance by the referees - which that fact was proven by FBI arrest and incarceration....
Football soccer, tennis.... no other sport shows you what basketball does. You have to look into the arts & literature to find anything similar to basketball in the way it can move the observer.
So to me, those guys deserve every penny.

Basketball is the greatest sport ever invented by man and there is no price tag you can put on the value of it.

[97 bulls]

We used to debate this clear back when. The big argument was because of Pistol Pete Maravich.

He was earning some kind of crazy amount of money. Maravich had a two million dollar contract as a rookie!!! Now you have to understand, in those days a brand new Corvette cost $4500 sticker, and beautiful homes were running 15 or 20 thousand dollars.

Yet his team (not that Hawks team he got drafted onto, but it was the New Orleans Jazz at the time of this argument we had) was clearly awful. The Jazz were real bad, did not draw gate hardly even with Pete on the team, and couldn't beat the junior varsity unless there was flu going around.

And now keep in mind, the guy we are talking about. Pete Maravich as far as I am concerned was the most skilled offensive player (as far as his personal abilities with the ball) to ever play basketball. Certainly he was the most exciting that the NBA has seen so far. Dude would just light you up like a flamethrower.

The upshot of our investigations was twofold.

One, the players should earn a lot because of what they do, but surprisingly the owners are truly the ones carrying the load. They have to figure out how to pay for the arena, the trips, airplanes, training table, medical staff, coaches, gyms and their janitors, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, hot tubs............ EVERY DETAIL of the players business lives. It's a gigantic enterprise running an NBA team, and the risks are even bigger.

Now keep in mind, we are no longer talking about athletes and so forth. We are talking about business. Cost analysis, budgets, staffing and HR, financial models and risk management.... Today we say "what kind of risk taking fool throws down all that money on Darko?" But yet Darko was considered a plum investment within the industry at the time - tall, skilled, fairly athletic really - who could have known he had the competitive heart of a lizard?

Or what about Baron? There's no doubt that man could play some hoops but what can you do when his body broke under the immense weight of his competitive spirit?

The conclusion was the owners are putting up enormous risk, and thus - no different from any business venture - they should stand to make enormous gain. No one bashes a guy who makes a killing in mining stock options, but how often does it happen as compared to the millions of people who get creamed in that risky business.
**************************************
And the second part of the equation is this.

The clearest insights into human nature of any thing out there you can see - are the clearest of all when watching a basketball team go through a season. To see the leadership of guys like Derek Fisher or John Havlicek under extreme adversity.... the team spirit and sportsmanship of Bibby, C Webber and those Kings teams when they were cheated out of their chance by the referees - which that fact was proven by FBI arrest and incarceration....
Football soccer, tennis.... no other sport shows you what basketball does. You have to look into the arts & literature to find anything similar to basketball in the way it can move the observer.
So to me, those guys deserve every penny.

Basketball is the greatest sport ever invented by man and there is no price tag you can put on the value of it.
I take exception to the notion that the owners are the ones truly carrying the load. All they do is pay someone to run the day to day business. Whats so hard about that?

Other than that, great post.

[La Frescobaldi]

I take exception to the notion that the owners are the ones truly carrying the load. All they do is pay someone to run the day to day business. Whats so hard about that?

Other than that, great post.

They put up the money dude. Fronting money can be dangerous for you and the financial lives of your family for ever. Opportunity cost can come real high.

[97 bulls]

They put up the money dude. Fronting money can be dangerous for you and the financial lives of your family for ever. Opportunity cost can come real high.
And the players put up the bodies. Theyre risking something as well.

[BoutPractice]

No one "deserves" anything.
People make the money other people are willing to pay them.

[Dbrog]

Look up the best 450 __ in the world. I'm pretty sure most of them make a lot of money if not more than NBA players. You have to remember, this is a very select group of individuals (irreplaceable).

[ace23]

Supply & Demand
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