Michael Jordan. Age 34. 12-39 FGs

[swag2011]

Not even trying to start a comparison, but since a big hoopla has been made about Kobe shooting 16-41, Check out MJ in the 97-98 season.

November 17th against the spurs he shot 12-39 and bulls won.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html

[BMOGEFan]

Not even trying to start a comparison, but since a big hoopla has been made about Kobe shooting 16-41, Check out MJ in the 97-98 season.

November 17th against the spurs he shot 12-39 and bulls won.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html

Kobe >>> MJ

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan turned 35 just 3 months later, btw. At 34 (the '97 season), he was averaging 30 on 49% shooting.

[Leviathon1121]

Longley, Harper, Brown, Caffey.

Howard, Nash, Gasol, Morris.

One of these lineups is stacked with talent, one is not.

[97 bulls]

Jordan turned 35 just 3 months later, btw. At 34 (the '97 season), he was averaging 30 on 49% shooting.
And he was playing with torn ligaments in his shooting finger.

[wang4three]

Not even trying to start a comparison, but since a big hoopla has been made about Kobe shooting 16-41, Check out MJ in the 97-98 season.

November 17th against the spurs he shot 12-39 and bulls won.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html


Not trying to start a comparison but then you bring up the names Jordan and Kobe in the same sentence. You clearly were starting a comparison

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He was 5 months older than Kobe so please stfu, retards like you would probably call someone born 1th January one year older than someone born on 31th dec.

Actually little p*ssy, Jordan had already come off a season playing at 34. Try again. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sooo what? BTW when the game was played he was still 34 so nothing he said in the title is incorrect.

So what? :oldlol: He played at 35 the bulk of that '98 season. You Kobe fans are seriously challenged.

[Metroid]

In Jordan's defense, look at the starting 5. Wow, I bet the complete defensive focus was on him. He also played 48 minutes. He also technically shot better than the rest of the team combined.

[poido123]

Not even trying to start a comparison, but since a big hoopla has been made about Kobe shooting 16-41, Check out MJ in the 97-98 season.

November 17th against the spurs he shot 12-39 and bulls won.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html

Jordan was 1st option on offense throughout his career at the bulls. Kobe has forced himself to be number 1 option in this team over the last few years, particularly this season, there's a difference.

Jordan was also a career 50% from the field. For every 12/39 game, he would back it up with a 17/28 or 15/26 game...

Whenever Jordan played, you never got that feeling he was chucking the ball, or not playing within the offense. He would nearly always play to the game and what is needed at the time. Kobe doesn't really do that, his adjustments are poor and he chooses to shoot more if the team is playing bad.

[kurt_rambis]

Jordan was 1st option on offense throughout his career at the bulls. Kobe has forced himself to be number 1 option in this team over the last few years, particularly this season, there's a difference.

Jordan was also a career 50% from the field. For every 12/39 game, he would back it up with a 17/28 or 15/26 game...

Whenever Jordan played, you never got that feeling he was chucking the ball, or not playing within the offense. He would nearly always play to the game and what is needed at the time. Kobe doesn't really do that, his adjustments are poor and he chooses to shoot more if the team is playing bad.
jordan's last season he shot 46.5% and chucked quite a bit. he was mostly a jump shooter in 98. kobe's shooting a slightly better percentage at 34 despite the fact he's taking 4 more 3 pointers a game

and kobe at 34 is a lot older than jordan at 34. he's played like 250 more total games

[97 bulls]

Longley, Harper, Brown, Caffey.

Howard, Nash, Gasol, Morris.

One of these lineups is stacked with talent, one is not.
To be fair, Longley scored 17, Kukoc had 12, and Rodman had 22 rebounds. Id even go so far to say that the Bulls starters were the equals to the Lakers offensively

[97 bulls]

jordan's last season he shot 46.5% and chucked quite a bit. he was mostly a jump shooter in 98. kobe's shooting a slightly better percentage at 34 despite the fact he's taking 4 more 3 pointers a game

and kobe at 34 is a lot older than jordan at 34. he's played like 250 more total games
46.5 is a good year for Kobe

[OldSchoolBBall]

jordan's last season he shot 46.5% and chucked quite a bit. he was mostly a jump shooter in 98. kobe's shooting a slightly better percentage at 34 despite the fact he's taking 4 more 3 pointers a game

and kobe at 34 is a lot older than jordan at 34. he's played like 250 more total games

Jordan shot 48% the rest of the 1998 season after the first dozen games or so as he adjusted his shooting form to accommodate the cracked knuckle and torn ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand.

[poido123]

jordan's last season he shot 46.5% and chucked quite a bit. he was mostly a jump shooter in 98. kobe's shooting a slightly better percentage at 34 despite the fact he's taking 4 more 3 pointers a game

and kobe at 34 is a lot older than jordan at 34. he's played like 250 more total games

Chucked in 98? :lol: Led his team to a 62-20 record, then eventual champions.

46.5% is Kobe's most efficient year :lol: Well it's 46.9% but pretty similar nonetheless.

[kurt_rambis]

Jordan shot 48% the rest of the 1998 season after the first dozen games or so as he adjusted his shooting form to accommodate the cracked knuckle and torn ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand.
fine, 48% compared to 47% isn't much of a difference, especially since kobe takes so many 3 pointers

[Asukal]

Kobe is still not on Jordan's level. Nice try Kobe-diots! :applause:

[kurt_rambis]

Chucked in 98? :lol: Led his team to a 62-20 record, then eventual champions.

46.5% is Kobe's most efficient year :lol: Well it's 46.9% but pretty similar nonetheless.
did you watch those late jordan games? every time he had a remotely open look he was taking a shot. lucky for him rodman was a great offensive rebounder

comparing field goal percentage is pretty useless....players are expected to shoot way more 3's today, kobe included. and again, he's shooting 47.1% this year, which is technically his most efficient season

[scm5]

To be fair, Longley scored 17, Kukoc had 12, and Rodman had 22 rebounds. Id even go so far to say that the Bulls starters were the equals to the Lakers offensively

This is a poster that gives Jordan fans a good name. Kobe fans should learn to do the same.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chucked in 98? :lol: Led his team to a 62-20 record, then eventual champions.

46.5% is Kobe's most efficient year :lol: Well it's 46.9% but pretty similar nonetheless.
You and Jordan kids don't understand the 3-pt shot yet? God...
Btw MJ's TS% was 53.3 that year.

[OldSchoolBBall]

You and Jordan kids don't understand the 3-pt shot yet? God...
Btw MJ's TS% was 53.3 that year.

Again, 55% after the first 15 games where he shot horribly due to the injury (42% FG/71% FT/48% TS the first 15 games as compared to 48% FG/83% FT/55% TS the rest of the season).

[GreatGreg]

Kobe is still not on Jordan's level. Nice try Kobe-diots! :applause:
Never will be; whatever Kobe was meant to do to basketball, he's already done it.

[Money 23]

Longley, Harper, Brown, Caffey.

Howard, Nash, Gasol, Morris.

One of these lineups is stacked with talent, one is not.
[/thread]

As a 35 year old, with messed up finger, ligament damage in shooting wrist.

MJ deserved MVP that year, carrying a Pippen less and usually Rodman less Bulls with a roster that was worse in terms of talent than any roster T-Mac, Wade, Kobe, or LeBron had to deal with.

Granted it wasn't a whole season, but he was 35 years old. Him shooting that much with his next best player being Jason Caffey, is world different than shooting 41 times with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash on your team.

[eliteballer]

Jordan only had 8 seasons of ball on his legs when he came back in 96, and the league was much older during the 2nd threepeat than it is now.

[KG215]

[/thread]

As a 35 year old, with messed up finger, ligament damage in shooting wrist.

MJ deserved MVP that year, carrying a Pippen less and usually Rodman less Bulls with a roster that was worse in terms of talent than any roster T-Mac, Wade, Kobe, or LeBron had to deal with.

Granted it wasn't a whole season, but he was 35 years old. Him shooting that much with his next best player being Jason Caffey, is world different than shooting 41 times with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash on your team.
Looking at this game in particular, look at what everyone else shot. Isn't that an argument the Kobe d***riders have been using all season?

Longley - 5/12
Harper - 2/9
Brown - 0/5
Rodman - 1/10
Kerr - 4/12
Kukock - 5/13

[97 bulls]

[/thread]

As a 35 year old, with messed up finger, ligament damage in shooting wrist.

MJ deserved MVP that year, carrying a Pippen less and usually Rodman less Bulls with a roster that was worse in terms of talent than any roster T-Mac, Wade, Kobe, or LeBron had to deal with.

Granted it wasn't a whole season, but he was 35 years old. Him shooting that much with his next best player being Jason Caffey, is world different than shooting 41 times with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash on your team.
Whoaaa. Jordan did have another hall of famer on that team in Rodman, who led the league in rebounds. As well as one of the best sixthmen in the league.

[Heavincent]

Both teams got the W, so I don't really see the problem with either performance. People are too obsessed with FG% on ISH. Kobe hit a bunch of huge shots in the 4th quarter and OT to get his team the win, so what's the problem? :confusedshrug: If there's 2 guys I'm perfectly okay with taking 35+ shots, it's Kobe and Jordan.

Stat geeks :facepalm

[Leviathon1121]

Both teams got the W, so I don't really see the problem with either performance. People are too obsessed with FG% on ISH. Kobe hit a bunch of huge shots in the 4th quarter and OT to get his team the win, so what's the problem? :confusedshrug: If there's 2 guys I'm perfectly okay with taking 35+ shots, it's Kobe and Jordan.

Stat geeks :facepalm

The Bulls minus Jordan shot 30% in that game, the Lakers shot 50%. Believe me, fans of every other team in the league are crossing our fingers that Kobe keeps ignoring the fact that he has 2 of the top 3 or 4 bigmen in the league on his team, as well as a top 5 point guard.

[Round Mound]

[B]Stop Comparing Kobe to Jordan:facepalm :rant :banghead: . Kobe Can Only Do One Thing Better than Jordan and That is Far Range Shooting. Other Than That, Jordan Smokes Bryant In All Aspects of The Game.

Quicker, Faster, Stronger, More Potent, Better Rebounder, Better Inside Game, Better Post Game, Better Passer, Much Better Driver, Penetrator and Finisher and Ofcourse a Fierece Defender, Which Statisticall It Has Been Prooven Kobe Is Not.

Keep Dreaming Kobe Stats and This is the N

[Heavincent]

Kobe keeps ignoring the fact that he has 2 of the top 3 or 4 bigmen in the league

Tim Duncan
David Lee
Zach Randolph

All are having better seasons than Howard. Pau isn't even in the discussion. He's averaging like 11 points on 40% shooting. lol at Kobe having 2 of the top 3 big men. Pau was a legit top 3 big man in 2010, but he's a shell of his former self right now. Not even close to what he once was.

[kennethgriffin]

Longley, Harper, Brown, Caffey.

Howard, Nash, Gasol, Morris.

One of these lineups is stacked with talent, one is not.


did this f*cktooth really just say longley, harper, brown, caffey > pippen, kukoc, rodman?

[Deuce Bigalow]

The Bulls minus Jordan shot 30% in that game, the Lakers shot 50%. Believe me, fans of every other team in the league are crossing our fingers that Kobe keeps ignoring the fact that he has 2 of the top 3 or 4 bigmen in the league on his team, as well as a top 5 point guard.
Pau, who's shooting 41% even when he is not focused on by opposing defenses as he's left open on half his shots is a top 4 big man? Lol

[White Mamba]

Again, 55% after the first 15 games where he shot horribly due to the injury (42% FG/71% FT/48% TS the first 15 games as compared to 48% FG/83% FT/55% TS the rest of the season).

What, you talkin about torn and index finger?:oldlol: :oldlol: how ironic.

[Glide2keva]

46.5 is a great year for Kobe

And a less than average year for Jordan.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And he was playing with torn ligaments in his shooting finger.

Yep.


did this f*cktooth really just say longley, harper, brown, caffey > pippen, kukoc, rodman?

He wasnt playing at the time. Educate yourself.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The Bulls minus Jordan shot 30% in that game, the Lakers shot 50%. Believe me, fans of every other team in the league are crossing our fingers that Kobe keeps ignoring the fact that he has 2 of the top 3 or 4 bigmen in the league on his team, as well as a top 5 point guard.

This is actually a pretty big difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan, in his poor shooting games/series (which were WAY less frequent than Kobe's bad nights) almost always shot equal to or better than his team did excluding him. Kobe on his bad nights always shoots WORSE than his team does (often significantly worse). Big difference. One is harming the team and the game's outcome more than the other.

[AussieG]

Kobe fans are retarded.. dedicated but retarded.

[KOBE143]

So Kobe rarely shot 16-41 type of game just like Jordan.. I knew it! Kobe = Jordan.. This proves everything.. Thanks OP.

[Rysio]

he also had 5 more free throws than kobe so he was saved by the refs from few more misses. and jordan never was on 03-07 kobes level. stop

[longtime lurker]

Kobe is still not on Jordan's level. Nice try Kobe-diots! :applause:

Clearly someone who misses the point.


Looking at this game in particular, look at what everyone else shot. Isn't that an argument the Kobe d***riders have been using all season?

Longley - 5/12
Harper - 2/9
Brown - 0/5
Rodman - 1/10
Kerr - 4/12
Kukock - 5/13

Another person who misses the point.

[necya]

And he was playing with torn ligaments in his shooting finger.

and send the game into 2nd OT with a trey at the buzzer.

we could olso bring on the table the legendary 17/47FG shooting by kobe in november 02, or the fact that he only reach the 50% one time on his 9 career +40FGA game.

but in the history of the game, shooting 40FGA usually translate in a ball hogging game, with not much result, for kobe or either MJ.

[ShaqAttack3234]

As has been mentioned, Jordan was injured and clearly not shooting the ball as well as he normally would, not to mention that Pippen was injured and not playing. His next offensive threats were Toni Kukoc and Luc Longley....who do you want shooting the ball? It's impressive to beat the twin tower Spurs with that lineup period. Actually, the '98 season is something I'd think that Jordan detractors would like to forget. the fact that an injured 35 year old Jordan went 26-12 without Pippen is pretty amazing.

[White Mamba]

but in the history of the game, shooting 40FGA usually translate in a ball hogging game, with not much result, for kobe or either MJ.
:oldlol:

http://www.siz.co.il/my/wyvzn4idzman.jpg

MJ 1 - 6

Kobe 5-4

clearly Kobe get the job done more than 50% of the time, MJ? 16%

but but but he was injured:cry: :cry:

hello!! kobe playing with a busted finger for 4 seasons now. and all the MJ fans here attacked his shooting% again and again.

so Hippocrates comments from Oldschoolbball and company.

[Legends66NBA7]

we could olso bring on the table the legendary 17/47FG shooting by kobe in november 02

I was actually expecting that on the first post, but yeah, even that game had worse player than Jordan's cast. Bryant still stunk up the place by his chucking, but who else would you have rather wanted to shoot with no Shaq in the lineup ?

[White Mamba]

http://up361.siz.co.il/up1/wyvzn4idzman.jpg (http://www.siz.co.il/)

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ posting that picture as if we're supposed to take away from it something other than the fact that Kobe feasts on garbage teams. :oldlol: Yeah, him getting the W against Seattle or LAC is really impressive as compare to Jordan's losses against the mid-80's Celtics/Lakers (two of the best teams of all time) while being on a one-man team. :roll:

Not one good team among Kobe's games of 40+ FGA, while 4 of 6 of Jordan's were against good to great teams. Go figure.

[longtime lurker]

Seriously you guys can't have it both ways. You can't chastise Kobe for taking 40 shots and then make excuses for Jordan taking 40 shots. It's either no player should be taking 40 shots or you realize that shit happens and their teams won.

[mehyaM24]

http://up361.siz.co.il/up1/wyvzn4idzman.jpg (http://www.siz.co.il/)

kobe getting carried by his teammates. nothing new to see here folks...

[White Mamba]

lol @ posting that picture as if we're supposed to take away from it something other than the fact that Kobe feasts on garbage teams. :oldlol: Yeah, him getting the W against Seattle or LAC is really impressive as compare to Jordan's losses against the mid-80's Celtics/Lakers (two of the best teams of all time) while being on a one-man team. :roll:

Not one good team among Kobe's games of 40+ FGA, while 4 of 6 of Jordan's were against good to great teams. Go figure.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: whatever make you feel better.

fact is your guy shoot 40+ 7 times in 15 seasons, kobe done it 9 time in 17 seasons.

your guy won 16% of the games he shoot 40+ time.

and i'm not talkin about 40+ without FT:roll:

"bad teams" - so now a 18-9 team is a garbage team.

whatever help u sleep better.
:lebronamazed: :kobe:

[Poetry]

http://up361.siz.co.il/up1/wyvzn4idzman.jpg (http://www.siz.co.il/)

During this stretch:

MJ:
1W-6L
51.29 Points
.485 FG %
.238 3PT %
6.57 Rebounds
3.43 Assists
2.43 Steals
1 Block Per
2.14 Turnovers

Kobe
5W-4L
50.44 Points
.455 FG %
.359 3PT %
5.77 Rebounds
3.88 Assists
1.88 Steals
.44 Blocks
3.33 Turnovers

I don't know that MJ can take all the blame for his team's record during that stretch.

Look...Kobe had a bad game. So what?

No need to dwell on it.

MJ's had bad games too.

A wise man once said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yXiWZyJL90

[White Mamba]

Poetry:applause: :cheers:

they bash kobe for everything.

when he had bad finger they bash his bad shooting.

now they bring up MJ's bad finger.

I swear Kobe can have a perfect game and they won't have a good thing to say about it.

BTW, kobe took 80 3pointers MJ took just 20.

the 2 point% is much much closer

kobe shoot 150-312 = 48%

MJ shoot 144-286 = 50%

OH, and I think MJ is the better player between the two but Kobe is the closest thing we saw.

[upside24]

Not trying to start a comparison but then you bring up the names Jordan and Kobe in the same sentence. You clearly were starting a comparison
:lol

Kobe was gunning to extend that 30+ points streak like he did with the 40+ streak years ago.

Not a good game for Kobe obviously, but at least they got the win.

[Sharmer]

Jordan was 1st option on offense throughout his career at the bulls. Kobe has forced himself to be number 1 option in this team over the last few years, particularly this season, there's a difference.

Jordan was also a career 50% from the field. For every 12/39 game, he would back it up with a 17/28 or 15/26 game...

Whenever Jordan played, you never got that feeling he was chucking the ball, or not playing within the offense. He would nearly always play to the game and what is needed at the time. Kobe doesn't really do that, his adjustments are poor and he chooses to shoot more if the team is playing bad.

:bowdown:

[White Mamba]

Jordan was 1st option on offense throughout his career at the bulls. Kobe has forced himself to be number 1 option in this team over the last few years, particularly this season, there's a difference.

Jordan was also a career 50% from the field. For every 12/39 game, he would back it up with a 17/28 or 15/26 game...

Whenever Jordan played, you never got that feeling he was chucking the ball, or not playing within the offense. He would nearly always play to the game and what is needed at the time. Kobe doesn't really do that, his adjustments are poor and he chooses to shoot more if the team is playing bad.

who was the 1st option? do you really belive MJ won't be the first option on the lakers on the last few years?:facepalm :facepalm

even MJ and his best fans said he shoot too much some games and phil changed him to do it less, like he did to kobe.

if kobe's adjustments are poor ?I hope they stay poor, its wining.

EDIT: lol at those bad repping the truth.

[Roundball_Rock]

Minor detail about this comparison:

Kobe is in his 17th season. Jordan in 1998 was in his 13th season. In one season Jordan played only 17 games and in another only 18. Comparing them by age is not an apples to apples comparison.

[Deuce Bigalow]

And a less than average year for Jordan.
53.3% TS is a less than average year for Kobe.

[Money 23]

Minor detail about this comparison:

Kobe is in his 17th season. Jordan in 1998 was in his 13th season. In one season Jordan played only 17 games and in another only 18. Comparing them by age is not an apples to apples comparison.
There are many variables in favor of either player to make this comparison. You clearly omitted the ones in Jordan's favor. Odd considering your avatar makes you APPEAR to be a Chicago Bulls fan.

To be fair, Kobe played in two lockout shortened seasons. Missed MANY more games due to injury. Thus making him innately less durable of an athlete as Jordan.

Bryant didn't carry NEAR the blunt of his franchise load his first 3 - 4 seasons like MJ (Kobe played along side 2 - 3 other all stars every season) ... in fact Kobe didn't become the focal point of opposing defenses until his 9th season (2005)

Kobe also didn't play in as physical of a defensive league, where getting knocked around on drives to the basket took it's toll on an athlete's body.

Kobe also didn't try to reformat his body for an entirely different sport. It wasn't as if MJ was on the couch, resting his bones, all while keeping in basketball shape just to extend his career and come back (the way Kobe stans insinuate) ... The age to age comparison, MJ's calendar age is fairly justifiable in being compared to Kobe's career age. MJ also didn't benefit from having any super advanced knee healing procedures from experimental doctors in Germany. Also, the proper comparison would be MJ's 12th season to Kobe's current season. That's roughly the same age for both.

Roundball Rock aka Fatal9 aka (possibly) Alborz aka KB42PAH and the not so subtle "Hey, I'm a Bulls fan" ... "Yet I discredit MJ WHENEVER I get the opportunity"

The shtick is fooling no one, junior mints.

[Glide2keva]

53.3% TS is a less than average year for Kobe.
No one cares about TS%!!!!!

[devin112]

Not trying to start a comparison but then you bring up the names Jordan and Kobe in the same sentence. You clearly were starting a comparison

He thinks ISH is dumb like him.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No one cares about TS%!!!!!
Well cool, but math tells me that a three pointer is worth more than 2 points and to ignore that doesn't make sense when talking about effiency.