Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?

[millwad]

I was thinking about this earlier when I thought about the best guys based on the year they were born.

Among the players who are born in '89 the two who stand out are these two players.

Based on previous years I'd take BG but based on ceiling and being the number one option and a star I'd take Harden, what about you guys?

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[bluechox2]

harden

blake still needs someone to feed him the ball

[B-hoop]

Blake, its easier to build around a big man who doesnt need the ball in his hands all the time.

[heyhey]

Blake, its easier to build around a big man who doesnt need the ball in his hands all the time.


Thats not blake... Blake's not really good off the ball

[TylerOO]

Harden. He can create on his own, amazing playmaker. Blake is a solid second option though

[IGotACoolStory]

They are both #2 options. One is just better at it than the other.

[Batz]

Is neither an option? No?

I can write an essay on this, but at the end of the day I'd take Harden, despite the "Big-men win championships" law. The man has an uncanny ability to take-over and close out games. He obviously needs to polish himself as a #1 scoring option, but he's closer to it than Blake. His defense is also more promising. I also like beards. Make a note of that.

[DMV2]

It's too early to tell if Griffin is a true franchise player or not. Same with Harden, but great scoring wings seem to be the better franchise player these days.

Since the 2003 class, it's been mostly wing's.

LeBron - 3 MVP's, 1 title, 1 F-MVP
Wade - 2 titles, 1 F-MVP
Kobe - 2 titles, MVP, 2 F-MVP
Durant - no major award but he's been top 3 in MVP race the past 3 seasons
Rose - MVP

Besides Duncan in 2003-05, I don't see any true franchise bigs in the league other than Dwight and Dirk.

There are a lot of good PF but only two are considered elite, Dwight & Dirk.

[Fiasco]

harden

blake still needs someone to feed him the ball

?????????????????????????

[millwad]

Is neither an option? No?

I can write an essay on this, but at the end of the day I'd take Harden, despite the "Big-men win championships" law. The man has an uncanny ability to take-over and close out games. He obviously needs to polish himself as a #1 scoring option, but he's closer to it than Blake. His defense is also more promising. I also like beards. Make a note of that.

But people also need to realize that there are more PF's who are just as or close to being as good as Griffin compared to SG's who are better or as good as Harden.

James Harden is definitely a top 3 SG in this league but having a look at the PF situation around the league there are some ballers around the league. Guys like Z-Bo, Love, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Bosh, Lee, Duncan, Jefferson, Stoudemire. It's close up there among the PF's and there.

[Whoah10115]

They're both first options and I'm rather unsure why people like to think otherwise...and people say I speak unequivocally.

Both are great and neither one is selfish. Whichever you pick, you're good.

[red1]

I'll take the bearded dragon. Griffin is aight too

[SCdac]

Being top-3 at a position doesn't make a player a lock in my eyes. There was a time when Reggie Miller and Mitch Richmond were top SG's but I'm wouldn't take them over a franchise big. George Gervin was a league-leading scorer but he never got a championship. Granted it's not one-man teams. I'd take Griffin personally, especially as he becomes more seasoned and his jump shot comes around. Harden is very versatile and can put the ball in the basket, but seems like an ideal #2 IMO (for a championship team).

[Batz]

They're both first options and I'm rather unsure why people like to think otherwise...and people say I speak unequivocally.

Put them in a scenario lets say... Playoffs, big game, must-win, are either of them really stepping it up that much? Sorry? Are you thinking this over? It's questionable is it not? Interesting...


So yeah, they're not necessarily 'first' options.

[tpols]

Hardens gonna be clutch as fvck in a few years.. We've already seen glimpses of his takeover ability. I'm taking him easily.. Not to say Blake doesn't have a case. He does but I would take harden without thinking too long.

[Clippersfan86]

They're both first options and I'm rather unsure why people like to think otherwise...and people say I speak unequivocally.

Both are great and neither one is selfish. Whichever you pick, you're good.

Love your posting lately :cheers: . I agree that it's the opposite of what people are saying here. I think BOTH are going to be career first options. During this win streak Griffin has been the Clippers undisputed go to scorer and is starting to look like he could be the first option long term. LOL at somebody saying they aren't sure if he's a franchise player.

Harden is the same thing... not much of a chance to prove himself yet as the undisputed first option but will develop into a superstar and perennial 25 ppg scorer who can put the team on his back. I'll pick Griffin because his defensive improvements have been huge and Harden still hasn't touched his D but both are franchise players and perennial all star types.

[Whoah10115]

Put them in a scenario lets say... Playoffs, big game, must-win, are either of them really stepping it up that much? Sorry? Are you thinking this over? It's questionable is it not? Interesting...


So yeah, they're not necessarily 'first' options.



Why not? It's a hunch you have but it isn't based on any fact. What is fact is that both have played at star level and certainly have shown 1st option quality. The rest is hypothetical and subjective...you may even turn out to be right with your playoff scenario, and everyone has a right to take on their own personal hunches..but I do think people base a lot opinions on pre-conceived notions that derive from personal preferences. I think a lot of people here are doing that with these two players.

[Batz]

Why not? It's a hunch you have but it isn't based on any fact. What is fact is that have played at star level and certainly have shown 1st option quality. The rest is hypothetical and subjective...you may even turn out to be right with your playoff scenario, and everyone has a right to take on their own personal hunches..but I do think people base a lot opinions on pre-conceived notions that derive from personal preferences. I think a lot of people here are doing that with these two players.
You do realize that all of this is hypothetical and subjective... Nothing more, nothing less, right?

[Al Thornton]

both are clearly first options on good teams, they are both likely never going to reach lebron championship first option area though.

[Clippersfan86]

Why not? It's a hunch you have but it isn't based on any fact. What is fact is that both have played at star level and certainly have shown 1st option quality. The rest is hypothetical and subjective...you may even turn out to be right with your playoff scenario, and everyone has a right to take on their own personal hunches..but I do think people base a lot opinions on pre-conceived notions that derive from personal preferences. I think a lot of people here are doing that with these two players.

:bowdown: . It's more funny because Blake got 1 year to show himself as a 1st option where he put up 22.5 ppg on a bad team... team adds CP3 very next year and now it's "Blake isn't capable of being a first option and is carried by CP3". Like seriously people need to wake up with stuff like that.

[spiegel]

This is an odd comparison to say the least. It depends on the makeup of my team. If i allready have a solid wing i'll go with Blake ad if i allready have a solid front rotation with James.

James started like a house on fire ad then teams starting setting defensive game plans for him and he has responded in immaculate fashion after struggling a bit. In the last nine games he is averaging 32 points 6 assists 4 boards on almost 60% shooting and only averaging 13 shots to get his 32 points.

[andremiller07]

This is an odd comparison to say the least. It depends on the makeup of my team.

I think the question is if you were making a team which player would you pick first, so which player has more upside and is easier to build around.

[Clippersfan86]

This is an odd comparison to say the least. It depends on the makeup of my team. If i allready have a solid wing i'll go with Blake ad if i allready have a solid front rotation with James.

James started like a house on fire ad then teams starting setting defensive game plans for him and he has responded in immaculate fashion after struggling a bit. In the last nine games he is averaging 32 points 6 assists 4 boards on almost 60% shooting and only averaging 13 shots to get his 32 points.

Not sure if this is a good thing really. Basically means he's living at the free throw line which has everything to do with how he's reffed. Griffin for example has to get murdered just to get free throws. I suppose the fact that refs like/respect Harden WAY more than Griffin would pay off in most situations though.

[TylerOO]

Just because there are 30 teams, that doesnt means theres 30 first options in my opinion. There are only like 15-20 players that are first options and can lead a team. I think Blake can be a solid two option and Harden can be a low end first option

[spiegel]

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Not sure if this is a good thing really. Basically means he's living at the free throw line which has everything to do with how he's reffed. Griffin for example has to get murdered just to get free throws. I suppose the fact that refs like/respect Harden WAY more than Griffin would pay off in most situations though.
Thats an art form. The more fouls he draws, the less defence can be aggressive on his team on offence.It means he is constantly putting pressure on the defence. AI, Pierce and Kobe made that an art form. Reggie Miller is another one who made his living like that. Great players have that knack.

[Clippersfan86]

Thats an art form. The more fouls he draws, the less defence can be aggressive on his team on offence.It means he is constantly putting pressure on the defence. AI, Pierce and Kobe made that an art form. Reggie Miller is another one who made his living like that. Great players have that knack.

Has a lot to do with reffing as I said and the fact that he flies every time he gets hit. Bigmen have to get murdered to get fouls called for them, especially physically dominant ones (Dwight mastered the Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye! to offset that). Like I said though that is one thing he has over Griffin as a first option is the ability to draw fouls any time he wants. Griffin can get punched in the face, tackled from behind etc and not get a foul call (look on Youtube for yourself).

[spiegel]

Has a lot to do with reffing as I said and the fact that he flies every time he gets hit. Bigmen have to get murdered to get fouls called for them, especially physically dominant ones (Dwight mastered the Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye! to offset that). Like I said though that is one thing he has over Griffin as a first option is the ability to draw fouls any time he wants. Griffin can get punched in the face, tackled from behind etc and not get a foul call (look on Youtube for yourself).
It has alot to do with Harden attacking the defence. If you watch some of the games, Harden continuesly attacks the gut and looks to bull his way to the basket. He is fantastic at attacking the gut to either creat his own shot or play the kickout.If anything for the amount of times he does that, he dosent get enough calls.

Harden is on of the top 2 or 3 players at attacking the basket and his euro step makes it virtually impossible to guard him in that mindset.

[tpols]

Has a lot to do with reffing as I said and the fact that he flies every time he gets hit. Bigmen have to get murdered to get fouls called for them, especially physically dominant ones (Dwight mastered the Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye! to offset that). Like I said though that is one thing he has over Griffin as a first option is the ability to draw fouls any time he wants. Griffin can get punched in the face, tackled from behind etc and not get a foul call (look on Youtube for yourself).
Harden knows how to draw contact. Since he's always barreling at the rim from 30 feet out and knows how to perfectly use the euro step he can manipulate still defenders positions so that they can't block the shot and have to foul or let him lay it in. He also keeps his dribble real low and sweeps up if anyone reaches.. Literally a Master at drawing contact.

Griffin doesn't know how to attack defenders like that.. Plus if he's near the basket you might as well just get out the way entirely.

[Clippersfan86]

Harden knows how to draw contact. Since he's always barreling at the rim from 30 feet out and knows how to perfectly use the same euro step he can manipulate still defenders positions so that they can't block the shot and have to foul or let him lay it in.

Griffin doesn't know how to attack defenders like that.. Plus if he's near the basket you might as well just get out the way entirely.

I agree bottom line is Harden= better at drawing fouls. I think that's probably the big edge he has as a first option. The main edge Griffin has is consistency. It's very very rare for Griffin to have an under 15 point game, Harden on the other hand is more prone to that streaky play (normal for bigs vs wings comparison).

[Spaulding]

Harden seems to have more growth in his game + bball IQ.

Blake needs to get over that hump and control the ball more instead of waiting for Paul for tug on his leash.

[tpols]

I agree bottom line is Harden= better at drawing fouls. I think that's probably the big edge he has as a first option. The main edge Griffin has is consistency. It's very very rare for Griffin to have an under 15 point game, Harden on the other hand is more prone to that streaky play (normal for bigs vs wings comparison).
Yea..

Griffin = defense, rebounding, low post scoring,

Harden = play making, scoring

Only reason I'd rather have harden is I think he will end up being the better takeover player.. It's like a Dirk vs kg debate. Kgs got the better overall package more well rounded game while Dirk can make an offense better and is dominant at closing games. Well see how it plays out in the end though.

[Clippersfan86]

Yea..

Griffin = defense, rebounding, low post scoring,

Harden = play making, scoring

Only reason I'd rather have harden is I think he will end up being the better takeover player.. It's like a Dirk vs kg debate. Kgs got the better overall package more well rounded game while Dirk can make an offense better and is dominant at closing games. Well see how it plays out in the end though.

I agree, but it's partially due to the way the game is played. I think it's much easier and more beneficial to be a clutch, takeover wing than it is to be a bigman. Besides Blake plays with CP3 :D . CP3 will still be the closer but Blake will be the workhorse and primary scoring option.

[TylerOO]

I agree bottom line is Harden= better at drawing fouls. I think that's probably the big edge he has as a first option. The main edge Griffin has is consistency. It's very very rare for Griffin to have an under 15 point game, Harden on the other hand is more prone to that streaky play (normal for bigs vs wings comparison).

Griffin has six games under 15 points. Harden? 1

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin has six games under 15 points. Harden? 1

I'm not talking about this year alone and was giving an example, not a literal figure. Griffin is pretty much guaranteed for 15-20 points, Harden is more streaky where one game he will have 30 but the next will have 15. Besides as talked about previously Harden gets a HUGE boost from free throws. Dude can have 5-7 shots made and still get 25 points (which we have seen this year more than once).

Bottom line is career wise Griffin has been the more consistent scorer, Harden more explosive one. Which is common for bigs vs wings.

[Xiao Yao You]

Griffin

[Fiasco]

Harden seems to have more growth in his game + bball IQ.

Blake needs to get over that hump and control the ball more instead of waiting for Paul for tug on his leash.

okay how is he supposed to control the ball when he plays with the most ball dominant point guard in the league????????????

really guys

[Whoah10115]

I'm not talking about this year alone and was giving an example, not a literal figure. Griffin is pretty much guaranteed for 15-20 points, Harden is more streaky where one game he will have 30 but the next will have 15. Besides as talked about previously Harden gets a HUGE boost from free throws. Dude can have 5-7 shots made and still get 25 points (which we have seen this year more than once).

Bottom line is career wise Griffin has been the more consistent scorer, Harden more explosive one. Which is common for bigs vs wings.



To be fair, Harden was a 6th man before. I don't believe he'd started 10 games
prior to this season.



I think he'll always (at least on this current team) get a lot of points. If he's not playing well and getting to the line, then he'll jack them up. He's done that a few times this year.

[brandonislegend]

I'm not talking about this year alone and was giving an example, not a literal figure. Griffin is pretty much guaranteed for 15-20 points, Harden is more streaky where one game he will have 30 but the next will have 15. Besides as talked about previously Harden gets a HUGE boost from free throws. Dude can have 5-7 shots made and still get 25 points (which we have seen this year more than once).

Bottom line is career wise Griffin has been the more consistent scorer, Harden more explosive one. Which is common for bigs vs wings.

Is there anymore you could do to contradict what you say to swing the argument for griffin? You said Blake has more 15 pt or more, he proves you wrong then you say not this year lol. Then you say Harden will have 30 pts then 15 pts why do you say 15 why not 14 or 16 your just trying to cover your ass to defend your dream man.

[Clippersfan86]

Is there anymore you could do to contradict what you say to swing the argument for griffin? You said Blake has more 15 pt or more, he proves you wrong then you say not this year lol. Then you say Harden will have 30 pts then 15 pts why do you say 15 why not 14 or 16 your just trying to cover your ass to defend your dream man.

Oh right on que. I wasn't trying to give a specific number but he stupidly took it as such and looked it up, not my problem. My main point was Griffin is a more consistent player which is factual. This year Griffin struggled early with injuries but is less prone to subpar games than Harden.

[Clippersfan86]

That streak a week or two ago where Harden got locked up bad and played like ass for example.. Griffin has yet to have one of those streaks in his career. He almost always bounces back excellent from bad games.

[brandonislegend]

Oh right on que. I wasn't trying to give a specific number but he stupidly took it as such and looked it up, not my problem. My main point was Griffin is a more consistent player which is factual. This year Griffin struggled early with injuries but is less prone to subpar games than Harden.
When your second best player is chandler parsons and the whole defense is focused on you that might tend to happen. Griffin plays with the best pg in the league and skilled players while harden is keyed on defenses similar to Kyrie Irving buy still puts up huge numbers. We saw Griffin do it his rookie year but he had Eric Gordon on his team no one near his talent on the rockets and Baron Davis who was way past his prime but still an excellent playmaker.

[brandonislegend]

That streak a week or two ago where Harden got locked up bad and played like ass for example.. Griffin has yet to have one of those streaks in his career. He almost always bounces back excellent from bad games.

When you are playing with the best point guard in the league its kinda hard to have multiple bad games, if I played on the Clippers with Chris Paul I would get open shots all day

[Clippersfan86]

When you are playing with the best point guard in the league its kinda hard to have multiple bad games, if I played on the Clippers with Chris Paul I would get open shots all day

But as you said we saw that trend in his rookie year too. His 47 point game vs the Pacers for example was his bounceback game after a terrible, nervous showing vs the Lakers the game before where he choked and was fired up. Bottom line, specifics aside is Griffin is a more consistent player than Harden, Harden has the better peak, more explosive nature. Which is very normal when comparing star bigs vs star wings. Nothing for us to argue about.

[brandonislegend]

But as you said we saw that trend in his rookie year too. His 47 point game vs the Pacers for example was his bounceback game after a terrible, nervous showing vs the Lakers the game before where he choked and was fired up. Bottom line, specifics aside is Griffin is a more consistent player than Harden, Harden has the better peak, more explosive nature. Which is very normal when comparing star bigs vs star wings. Nothing for us to argue about.
That was one game, people get hot its basketball Jennings scored 55 in his rookie year.

[Clippersfan86]

That was one game, people get hot its basketball Jennings scored 55 in his rookie year.

Okay I'm just speaking from the games I've watched. Griffin is very good at bouncing back from bad games and I haven't seen him have two bad games in a row.

[brandonislegend]

Yea..

Griffin = defense, rebounding, low post scoring,

Harden = play making, scoring

Only reason I'd rather have harden is I think he will end up being the better takeover player.. It's like a Dirk vs kg debate. Kgs got the better overall package more well rounded game while Dirk can make an offense better and is dominant at closing games. Well see how it plays out in the end though.

Griffin might have improved on defense but I would say harden and griffin are similar to their position in terms of defense, nothing elite idk why you mentioned it under griffin.

[BrickingStar]

Being top-3 at a position doesn't make a player a lock in my eyes. There was a time when Reggie Miller and Mitch Richmond were top SG's but I'm wouldn't take them over a franchise big. George Gervin was a league-leading scorer but he never got a championship. Granted it's not one-man teams. I'd take Griffin personally, especially as he becomes more seasoned and his jump shot comes around. Harden is very versatile and can put the ball in the basket, but seems like an ideal #2 IMO (for a championship team).
Agreed especially when the SG position isn't really all that deep after Kobe/Wade/Harden where there is a much better list of PFs as a whole.

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin might have improved on defense but I would say harden and griffin are similar to their position in terms of defense, nothing elite idk why you mentioned it under griffin.

:biggums: Griffin has a defensive rating of 96 which is "elite"... Harden's is an atrocious 107. Griffin is ranked the 24th best defender in the entire NBA by Synergy Sports... James Harden is ranked 231st best. Please stop posting until you decide to at least TRY to be remotely fair and logical.

[mjokc]

:biggums: Griffin has a defensive rating of 96 which is "elite"... Harden's is an atrocious 107. Griffin is ranked the 24th best defender in the entire NBA by Synergy Sports... James Harden is ranked 231st best. Please stop posting until you decide to at least TRY to be remotely fair and logical.

:oldlol:

[brandonislegend]

:biggums: Griffin has a defensive rating of 96 which is "elite"... Harden's is an atrocious 107. Griffin is ranked the 24th best defender in the entire NBA by Synergy Sports... James Harden is ranked 231st best. Please stop posting until you decide to at least TRY to be remotely fair and logical.

Are you still numbers from a website to judge the game of basketball?

Yeah not gonna argue anymore, look at that list, LeBron was rated lower than Boozer just month :roll:
great system you are using your argument with. :roll:

[spiegel]

29 10-16 fg
39 10-17 fg
31 10-20 fg
21 6-17 fg
28 7-17 fg
28 9-18 fg
33 7-12 fg
31 9-13 fg

thats his last 8 games inarow. The last 15 pts game he had was 12 games ago.He was been put in a foreign situation to him which was teams going soley afer him after his hot start. He now has adjusted to that as the last few games suggests. Infact james has had 2 15 games this season thus far. He has been consistent all throughout the season so far apart from the 3 game stretch.. you dont average 25.6 points by being inconsistent

[bdreason]

I have to take Blake. Too much potential at that position.

[Clippersfan86]

Are you still numbers from a website to judge the game of basketball?

Yeah not gonna argue anymore, look at that list, LeBron was rated lower than Boozer just month :roll:

So basically Boozer was rated higher than Lebron after like 5-10 games when Lebron was playing lazy ass D? What does that have to do with 30 games into the season when comparing two players who CLEARLY have a big defensive gap between them this year?

[spiegel]

Harden is attrocious on defence so as a Rockets fan i cant disagree there.

[KG215]

Please stop posting until you decide to at least TRY to be remotely fair and logical.

http://lans-soapbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Pot_Meet_Kettle.jpg

[brandonislegend]

So basically Boozer was rated higher than Lebron after like 5-10 games when Lebron was playing lazy ass D? What does that have to do with 30 games into the season when comparing two players who CLEARLY have a big defensive gap between them this year?

Go look now and tell me what LeBron is rated :roll: what a joke of a reference to use

[Darius]

Good question... tough to answer.

Both can either be a great 2nd option or a low to middling 1st option due to their unselfishness but both also have some untapped potential.

I'd take Blake because he has proven he can be effective without the ball in his hands thus allowing him to be a great 2nd option. Harden has the skills to play off ball but he seems worse without it.

[Clippersfan86]

29 10-16 fg
39 10-17 fg
31 10-20 fg
21 6-17 fg
28 7-17 fg
28 9-18 fg
33 7-12 fg
31 9-13 fg

thats his last 8 games inarow. The last 15 game he had was 12 games ago. infact james has had 2 15 games this season. He has been consistent all throughout the season so far. you dont average 25.6 points by being inconsistent

Again 15 point example was random by me and NOT researched at all. Harden is a BETTER scorer... I think he's more prone to inconsistent shooting performances. He's shot under 40 percent in 10 games this year and may still finish with 20+ points due to free throws.

[Clippersfan86]

Harden is attrocious on defence so as a Rockets fan i cant disagree there.

Where as Griffin has been very solid-good. Yet once again when comparing him to a significantly worse defender this year people will call it a "wash".

[brandonislegend]

The game of basketball is no longer played on a basketball court but in mathematical equations. LeBron is a shitty defender and Blake Griffin is top 25 :roll:

but hey lets use logical and fair arguments.

[Clippersfan86]

The game of basketball is no longer played on a basketball court but in mathematical equations. LeBron is a shitty defender and Blake Griffin is top 25 :roll:

but hey lets use logical and fair arguments.

Statistics are a support for what you watch, not a replacement. Even a Rockets fan just flat out called Harden an atrocious defender still where as non Clippers fans have been praising Griffin's D. So tell me again how there is no gap worth mentioning defensively moron?

[brandonislegend]

Statistics are a support for what you watch, not a replacement. Even a Rockets fan just flat out called Harden an atrocious defender still where as non Clippers fans have been praising Griffin's D. So tell me again how there is no gap worth mentioning defensively moron?

Because synergy sports says so.

[Magic bird]

James Harden- Facilitator, Scorer, carries the load. Put him in a team with modest role players (Danny Green, Jeff Green) A PG who can put up 3's when the team needs it and a glass eating big man, and we got one hell of a team!!!

[TheCalmInsanity]

Whoever would take Harden over Griffin would be possibly the worst GM the league would ever see. Griffin does so much more than his stats tell, with the hustle and energy he provides, the constant double teams he commands, and the easy layups he gets everyone because they'd rather give up a layup than move away from Griffin (for fear of an alley oop).

Griffin is the one that landed us Paul, and he's the one that changed this franchise around for good. He's only 23 years old and has a world of things to improve on to become even better.. And bigs are always more useful than explosive scorers. The league has like 18 different players you can classify as the same type of player as Harden.

[alenleomessi]

the hate towards blake is mind blowing

definitely a top 5 most hated athlete in the world

[millwad]

the hate towards blake is mind blowing

definitely a top 5 most hated athlete in the world

No, they hate CF86 and they know that the dude has no life and he's obsessed with Griffin.

I like how he whines about defense when the difference is that James Harden is doing everything on offense and is the one creating 38 minutes per game compared to Griffin having the luxury of Paul's passing on offense while only playing 32 minutes per game.

And haha, Synergy nonsense, so suddenly BG's defense is equal to a top 25 defender, yeah right.

[swe_suns]

the hate towards blake is mind blowing

definitely a top 5 most hated athlete in the world

Considering his previous flopping and tough-guy act I say it's definitely justified.

[millwad]

Considering his previous flopping and tough-guy act I say it's definitely justified.

Damn, bro, I'm swedish too! Can I touch you anus bruh?

Jag

[Fiasco]

Considering his previous flopping and tough-guy act I say it's definitely justified.

So the fact that he used to flop and is billed as this "fake tough-guy" in the minds of morons here justifies their stupidity?

Got it.

[TheCalmInsanity]

No, they hate CF86 and they know that the dude has no life and he's obsessed with Griffin.

I like how he whines about defense when the difference is that James Harden is doing everything on offense and is the one creating 38 minutes per game compared to Griffin having the luxury of Paul's passing on offense while only playing 32 minutes per game.

And haha, Synergy nonsense, so suddenly BG's defense is equal to a top 25 defender, yeah right.

Wow this post has so much fail in it. There's a reason Harden has to do everything on offense. Other than him, who's going to score on the Rockets? That's his role, to score.

Griffin only plays 32 minutes because the Clippers are blowing teams out. More than that, Griffin earns the good passes from Paul by running the fast breaks, having timely cuts, and he's making his midrange jumpers now too.

One is on a 13 game win streak, one is on a team that's 14-12. You guys overrate James Harden so much, it's ridiculous.

[noob cake]

Clippers fans are reaching Kobe fans worship levels/obnoxiousness. Must be something unique to Southern California.

[millwad]

Wow this post has so much fail in it. There's a reason Harden has to do everything on offense. Other than him, who's going to score on the Rockets? That's his role, to score.

Griffin only plays 32 minutes because the Clippers are blowing teams out. More than that, Griffin earns the good passes from Paul by running the fast breaks, having timely cuts, and he's making his midrange jumpers now too.

One is on a 13 game win streak, one is on a team that's 14-12. You guys overrate James Harden so much, it's ridiculous.

You don't seem very bight.

Yeah, the reason why Harden is doing at all on offense while being damn effective is due the fact that he's one hell of an offensive player. And again, yeah, BG only plays 32 minutes because his team is damn good but it also gives him the opportunity to spend less energy on offense while getting tons of passes by CP3. Harden has to create a great majority of his opportunities, BG, not so much.

And what has the winning streak to do with anything, put elite players next to Harden and you'll have a damn fine team too.

And this is a post from Clutchfans about how efficient he is;



After struggling for a bit early in the season, Harden has now brought his TS% back up to .600 again. For those unfamiliar with the stat, it's one's "shooting percentage" once you account for FTs and extra credit for 3s.

For reference, amongst top-30 scorers in the NBA, or #1 options if you will.

1. Durant .654
2. Lebron .604
3. Mayo .602
4. Harden .600
5. Melo .590

[Mr Exlax]

Wins - Harden
Sales - Griffin

[Nash]

I take the guy who can score, playmake and create his own shot. James "The Beard" Harden.

[brandonislegend]

Wins - Harden
Sales - Griffin

I concur