Tmac at his peak was better than Kobe at his

[DaPerceive]

Yea, Tmac's 2003 season was better than anything Kobe ever did. Kobe's best season was probably 2003 and Tmac was better that season.

Anyone else agree?

[NLZ]

Why are you trying to get us to talk about a guy currently playing in the Chinese league that never won a thing in the NBA?

[konex]

Pretty even, I guess


T-Mac: 32.1 ppg on 46% (39% from 3), 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.7 spg

Kobe: 30.0 ppg on 45% (38% from 3), 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg, 2.2 spg

[STATUTORY]

a whole army of posters agree:

Silktheshocker
RocketGreatness
StateofMind12
Tinsetime
swagg3r
daheroicone
Inception


not at all an exhaustive list doe

[DaPerceive]

Kobe was slightly better IMO
He had Shaq though. Shaq created a lot of attention for Kobe and gave him open looks.

who did Tmac have? Oh, nobody.

[swag2011]

Yet one is still a top 3-5 player in the league while the other is in china lol.

[DaPerceive]

Yet one is still a top 3-5 player in the league while the other is in china lol.
Sure, but we are talking peaks here, son.

[konex]

He had Shaq though. Shaq created a lot of attention for Kobe and gave him open looks.

Yeah, I changed my mind. I'd say it was pretty even.

[konex]

Kobe vs. T-Mac in 2003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CqXPfdTzAzc#!

Kobe vs. T-Mac in 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlp7TkSgJds&feature=player_embedded

They each scored 38 in both games. Crazy how Kobe is still an elite player in the NBA all these years later. I wonder if the same would happen for T-Mac if he got 20+ FGAs a game..

[TylerOO]

He averaged more points thats it? Kobe will always be better than T-Mac.

[Heavincent]

a whole army of posters agree:

Silktheshocker
RocketGreatness
StateofMind12
Tinsetime
swagg3r
daheroicone
Inception


not at all an exhaustive list doe

You missed a few

RocketGreatness
TmacsRockets
ILoveNBA
ClutchCity95
Dominantelement
RaceBannana
ClutchCover
NoLayUpsRule2
Endurance7
OptimusPrime
AmazingManning
WeaponX2024
iTruWarrior
DreamShake24
RedZiggyZag
DreamYaoTmac5
ArizaAttack24
DominantElement
BrianDawkins20
FinalCountdown
TimeConfidence
RealKnowledge
KingofDream34
SmoothJ2
v3DreJ80
Lowryblaze7
ViNsAnItY1990
MakeHistory78
VeeCee15
Just2Clutch
MiltownMadness
HisAirness3
TDPrime2030
BDiesel324
HisAirness3
ClearYourMind
PurpGold34
LakerDefense8
ThaSwagg3r
Idefend5
Da Heroic One
DaPerceive
True Aristotle
StateofMind12
MiamiThrice
WockaVodka
Inception28
TheAdmiral3
Tinseltime17
Tinseltime12

[DaPerceive]

He averaged more points thats it? Kobe will always be better than T-Mac.
He didn't get to play with Shaq and conserve energy and take plays off. He had to do everything. Kobe did the same thing in 2006 and 2007 when his team was shit.

[Fudge]

I missed the days where RG was tmacyaokobe01 where he liked the both of them. :(

Oh wait, I forgot he's bipolar.

[Kiddlovesnets]

2nd round virgin.
:eek:

[Rysio]

no one was or will be better than peak kobe. :no:

[NLZ]

He had Shaq though. Shaq created a lot of attention for Kobe and gave him open looks.

who did Tmac have? Oh, nobody.
So shouldn't Wade have 40 ppg right now?

[DaPerceive]

So shouldn't Wade have 40 ppg right now?
Wade isn't as good as either and he is past his prime, nice try, *******.

[Fudge]

I dont know why, but I could see RG commiting the next mass shooting somewhere. :oldlol: Dude just isn't there in the head.

[HardwoodLegend]

I feel like I'm getting trolled whenever a thread like this gets made. Some of the arguments that come up are ones that I've used in the past.



Why are you trying to get us to talk about a guy currently playing in the Chinese league that never won a thing in the NBA?

Not his fault that he didn't win a thing.

[DaPerceive]

I feel like I'm getting trolled whenever a thread like this gets made. Some of the arguments that come up are ones that I've used in the past.




Not his fault that he didn't win a thing.
Must be good arguments then, Kobe fans are just shook from your arguments.

[HardwoodLegend]

Must be good arguments then, Kobe fans are just shook from your arguments.

:lol

Yep, I'm getting trolled.

And, SilkkTheShocker likes to make T-Mac threads out of nowhere whenever he sees me post.

[Whoah10115]

McGrady's 2003 season isn't as good as Kobe's 2003 season.


He was terrific, but leading your teams to wins is part of playing well. McGrady did a lot of playing well by himself...the way he played in Houston was a lot better than how he played in Orlando. His 2003 season, for all the team success it may have lacked, did stand out and is his best season...but he was a better player when he was healthy in Houston...and his first and third years there were great.


But he was never a good as Bryant.

[daily]

Yea, Tmac's 2003 season was better than anything Kobe ever did. Kobe's best season was probably 2003 and Tmac was better that season.

Anyone else agree?You do realize a players peak lasts for more than one season right?

[CavaliersFTW]

You missed a few

RocketGreatness
TmacsRockets
ILoveNBA
ClutchCity95
Dominantelement
RaceBannana
ClutchCover
NoLayUpsRule2
Endurance7
OptimusPrime
AmazingManning
WeaponX2024
iTruWarrior
DreamShake24
RedZiggyZag
DreamYaoTmac5
ArizaAttack24
DominantElement
BrianDawkins20
FinalCountdown
TimeConfidence
RealKnowledge
KingofDream34
SmoothJ2
v3DreJ80
Lowryblaze7
ViNsAnItY1990
MakeHistory78
VeeCee15
Just2Clutch
MiltownMadness
HisAirness3
TDPrime2030
BDiesel324
HisAirness3
ClearYourMind
PurpGold34
LakerDefense8
ThaSwagg3r
Idefend5
Da Heroic One
DaPerceive
True Aristotle
StateofMind12
MiamiThrice
WockaVodka
Inception28
TheAdmiral3
Tinseltime17
Tinseltime12
:eek: those are seriously all your alts?

[RagingBull33]

no one was or will be better than peak kobe. :no:
How about peak:
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Wilt
LeBron
Shaq
Duncan
and the list goes on.

[DaPerceive]

How about peak:
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Wilt
LeBron
Shaq
Duncan
and the list goes on.
You forgot Tmac.

[Fudge]

:eek: those are seriously all your alts?
All? That's probably like half of them. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Next thread: John Starks was better thank Kobe

[Rubio2Gasol]

Anyone remember the takeover against Tmac ? Either 03 or 04.

[TheBigVeto]

Yea, Tmac's 2003 season was better than anything Kobe ever did. Kobe's best season was probably 2003 and Tmac was better that season.

Anyone else agree?

Yes. But still, neither of them are HoFers.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I dont know why, but I could see RG commiting the next mass shooting somewhere. :oldlol: Dude just isn't there in the head.
That isn't something to joke about that's absolutely tasteless.

[DaPerceive]

Yes. But still, neither of them are HoFers.
:wtf:

[oh the horror]

He had Shaq though. Shaq created a lot of attention for Kobe and gave him open looks.

who did Tmac have? Oh, nobody.


Well, if you want to play that game, we can go with this:


Shaq had to eat too. So Kobe had to share at times.


We could argue that Kobe, with NO ONE else to defer to would have put up BIGGER stats than TMac.


See how that works?

[red1]

similar stats but kobe played better D. thus this round goes to bean

[DKLaker]

Why are you trying to get us to talk about a guy currently playing in the Chinese league that never won a thing in the NBA?

THIS :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

You missed a few

RocketGreatness
TmacsRockets
ILoveNBA
ClutchCity95
Dominantelement
RaceBannana
ClutchCover
NoLayUpsRule2
Endurance7
OptimusPrime
AmazingManning
WeaponX2024
iTruWarrior
DreamShake24
RedZiggyZag
DreamYaoTmac5
ArizaAttack24
DominantElement
BrianDawkins20
FinalCountdown
TimeConfidence
RealKnowledge
KingofDream34
SmoothJ2
v3DreJ80
Lowryblaze7
ViNsAnItY1990
MakeHistory78
VeeCee15
Just2Clutch
MiltownMadness
HisAirness3
TDPrime2030
BDiesel324
HisAirness3
ClearYourMind
PurpGold34
LakerDefense8
ThaSwagg3r
Idefend5
Da Heroic One
DaPerceive
True Aristotle
StateofMind12
MiamiThrice
WockaVodka
Inception28
TheAdmiral3
Tinseltime17
Tinseltime12


Get a F*cking life Rocketsgayness. The Man with a million sock accounts.

[SilkkTheShocker]

a whole army of posters agree:

Silktheshocker
RocketGreatness
StateofMind12
Tinsetime
swagg3r
daheroicone
Inception


not at all an exhaustive list doe

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281675

[willds09]

Bump this foolish thread:lol u kidding me???:kobe: :oldlol:

[ZaaaaaH]

Yea, Tmac's 2003 season was better than anything Kobe ever did. Kobe's best season was probably 2003 and Tmac was better that season.

Anyone else agree?


T-Mac Himself said Kobe was better.

close this dumb thread.

[Magic 32]

The way he played in Houston was a lot better than how he played in Orlando. His 2003 season, for all the team success it may have lacked, did stand out and is his best season...but he was a better player when he was healthy in Houston.


And even in that case...

T-mac vs. Jazz (with Yao and a good coach)

http://oi50.tinypic.com/2itojye.jpg

5 out of 7 games shooting under 45%.

Kobe vs. Jazz the next three years...

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2zedl09.jpg
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2h7493b.jpg
http://oi49.tinypic.com/16kzzaf.jpg

Two games shooting under 45%, in 15 playoff games.

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe was always better than Tmac. Case Closed... Tmac never had the drive Kobe had. And Tmac didn't have the midrange game that kobe had or has.

[cotdt]

If you look at stats, TMac in his prime put up similar numbers. If you watch the damn games, TMac was never ever as good as Kobe, prime or not.

[Gotterdammerung]

All? That's probably like half of them. :oldlol:
:biggums:
:coleman:
:kobe:

[Gotterdammerung]

I agree that Tracey McGrady's peak wasn't as high as Kobe, but he was part of that amazing 22-game winning streak in 2007. Yao missed the last 10 games of that streak.

For what it's worth, the Rockets were 126-70 with McGrady, but a mortal 11-39 without him. Moreover, Coach Adelman claimed that McGrady was the best passer he ever saw. Link (http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2008/03/alstons-three-pointers-launch-rockets.html)

Since Adelman played against Pistol Maravich, coached against Magic and Isiah, and coached Clyde Drexler, his statement has some depth.
:lebronamazed:

[Ass Dan]

especially in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:roll:
:roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BoNafidde]

Kobe was always better than Tmac. Case Closed... Tmac never had the drive Kobe had. And Tmac didn't have the midrange game that kobe had or has.
This is bullshit. TMac was just as good from midrange.

[tmacattack33]

Peak T-mac is pretty close, if not greater than.

It'd be a hard thing though to say since Kobe has 5 rings and 15 yrs of excellence.

Meanwhile, T-mac had 3 great individual seasons and that's about it.

[Heavincent]

T-Mac was a beast at his peak, but he was never as good as Kobe. Period.

[Lebron23]

All? That's probably like half of them. :oldlol:


Add Lilkatemoss to the lists.

The guy has some mental problems. I think he's really suffering from multiple personality disorder


Dude yeah I banned him but the guy has had around 5 different accounts so far and he was continuing to talk about the Tmac is not a point forward thing. He doesn't belong in this site, period. He has had his multiple chances in the past, now it's too late for that.

He was banned from another forum.

http://www.mixmakers.net/forums/f12/tmacyaokobe1-back-again-159126.html

[usa hoops]

I wounder what T-Mac would rather have? Be better than Kobe for a brief period of time? Or be ranked below Kobe, but have some rings to go with it.

[HardwoodLegend]

I wounder what T-Mac would rather have? Be better than Kobe for a brief period of time? Or be ranked below Kobe, but have some rings to go with it.

Why would he have to choose between the two? If his career panned out better, it's possible that he could have had both of those things at the same time.

2002-03 is arguable, but he definitely had a better season than Kobe in 2004-05.

[usa hoops]

Why would he have to choose between the two? If his career panned out better, it's possible that he could have had both of those things at the same time.

2002-03 is arguable, but he definitely had a better season than Kobe in 2004-05.

The point is that he arguably did have one season better than Kobe, but he still ended his career with no ring.

If T-Mac had the choice, would he give up the success of that season for a good (but not great) season and get a ring?

[TAZORAC]

You mean Mcgrady is a better scorer then Bryant, not player.

[Djsonny]

Not to take away from Kobe, but Tmac in his prime was crazy. One of those guys, including Kobe, who when has the hot hand, there is nothing you can do to guard him.

[Kingwillball]

Crazy How Tmac just fell off so fast/hard.. I mean Look at guys like Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Wade ect.. doing it year after year and still going strong.

[scm5]

Crazy How Tmac just fell off so fast/hard.. I mean Look at guys like Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Wade ect.. doing it year after year and still going strong.

Back spasms will do that to you, especially if it's a recurring thing.

I've had to play with back pain and it's hard, it really ****s with you mentally and physically.

Physically, it's painful trying to get lower than your defender to drive by them. Conversely, it's hard to get in a solid, low defensive stance without a lot of pain/discomfort.

Mentally, I would want to avoid contact at all cost while driving in whereas I would absorb it and finish normally. If I do get hit, it's much harder for me to finish while absorbing contact because of the pain.

[Levity]

what alias is OP going by these days?

[HardwoodLegend]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Tracy%20McGrady/-.gif

[The Real JW]

Kobe's best season was probably 2003

No.

[Fudge]

what alias is OP going by these days?
Silkktheshocker I'm pretty sure.

[ShaqAttack3234]

T-mac and Kobe were virtually even as players in 2003, although I'd say T-Mac had the better season. But 2003 wasn't Kobe's peak, I'd take any version of Kobe from '06-'09.

[elementally morale]

There were 2-3 seasons when they seemed to be even and you could build a case for T-Mac. I was between 2002-2005. Before and after that, Kobe has always been the better player of the two, and 2006-2008 Kobe is way better than any othr form of Kobe. (Or T-Mac for that matter.) Offensively speaking, this year's Kobe is still better than pre 2006 Kobe, it's just the defense he is lacking these days.

[NBASTATMAN]

This is bullshit. TMac was just as good from midrange.


GTFO of here. Tmac did not have Kobe's midrange game.

[Joey3000]

I liked T-Mac, but Prime Kobe was better. T-Mac showed flashes of ptentially being better, but nothing solid to back up an arguement for him.

Give me Kobe.

[riseagainst]

I wonder what alias OP aka StateofMind, RocketGreatness, etc. is using nowadays.