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Constantly see kobe fanboys getting on lebrons case for not winning in cleveland so this question naturally popped into my mind. How many championships would kobe win with lebrons supporting casts in cleveland?
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 10:02 PM
Who cares about stupid hypothetical scenarios? I prefer to live in reality.
DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:06 PM
Kobe would demand a trade because he is a spoiled kid that just wants to play on stacked/dominant teams.
At least Lebron finished his contract with CLE.
Who cares about stupid hypothetical scenarios? I prefer to live in reality.
can't even make an argument for your boy can you?
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 10:11 PM
can't even make an argument for your boy can you?
Uh...what? What's there to argue about? I just don't care about hypothetical scenarios. That's all.
DonDadda59
12-27-2012, 10:12 PM
I'll put it this way- if you switched each guy's career (Lebron is drafted by the '96 Lakers at age 18, Kobe is drafted by the '03 Cavaliers at 18) then Lebron would be sitting on 6 or 7 rings while Kobe would have demanded a trade from Cleveland in around '07, having not gotten out of the first round in any season.
DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:14 PM
can't even make an argument for your boy can you?
Nah, he is just a Kobe dick sucker that screams 5 rings and can't do anything else.
He doesn't realize that in 4 of the 5 rings, someone carried him. And he wouldn't have had those 5 rings if his team wasn't the most stacked.
The point of this thread is the fact that you can't criticize players for not overachieving with average teams. This is the reason why AI is underrated, KG is underrated, Kidd is underrated, basically any player who spent a significant portion of their prime on mediocre teams. You don't penalize a player for playing on a stacked team but you don't automatically overrate them for their team's achievements.
I'll put it this way- if you switched each guy's career (Lebron is drafted by the '96 Lakers at age 18, Kobe is drafted by the '03 Cavaliers at 18) then Lebron would be sitting on 6 or 7 rings while Kobe would have demanded a trade from Cleveland in around '07, having not gotten out of the first round in any season.
the lebron d*ckriding would have been unreal if he was drafted by the lakers, thank god we dodged that bullet
DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:16 PM
The point of this thread is the fact that you can't criticize players for not overachieving with average teams. This is the reason why AI is underrated, KG is underrated, Kidd is underrated, basically any player who spent a significant portion of their prime on mediocre teams. You don't penalize a player for playing on a stacked team but you don't automatically overrate them for their team's achievements.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 10:17 PM
I'll put it this way- if you switched each guy's career (Lebron is drafted by the '96 Lakers at age 18, Kobe is drafted by the '03 Cavaliers at 18) then Lebron would be sitting on 6 or 7 rings while Kobe would have demanded a trade from Cleveland in around '07, having not gotten out of the first round in any season.
Lebron leads the league in hypothetical rings :oldlol:
I'm not even hating on Lebron, but you guys and your irrational hypothetical scenarios are ridiculous.
And lol at Kobe not getting at of the first round in the weak east. Are you retarded? :lol
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif
f*ck off kobe
DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:19 PM
Kobe when his teams were mediocre
2005 - no playoffs
2006 - 1st round exit
2007 - 1st round exit
0 playoff series won without Shaq or Gasol in 3 years
I'll put it this way- if you switched each guy's career (Lebron is drafted by the '96 Lakers at age 18, Kobe is drafted by the '03 Cavaliers at 18) then Lebron would be sitting on 6 or 7 rings while Kobe would have demanded a trade from Cleveland in around '07, having not gotten out of the first round in any season.
great post
LamarOdom
12-27-2012, 10:25 PM
Kobe when his teams were mediocre
2005 - no playoffs
2006 - 1st round exit
2007 - 1st round exit
0 playoff series won without Shaq or Gasol in 3 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5keOBDzmMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMh9WZ4q8uM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/795911/
Nah, he is just a Kobe dick sucker that screams 5 rings and can't do anything else.
He doesn't realize that in 4 of the 5 rings, someone carried him. And he wouldn't have had those 5 rings if his team wasn't the most stacked.
Lebron has 0 rings without Wade and Bosh. Your argument saying Kobe couldn't win unless his team is stacked isnt close to valid if you want to compare the 2 players.
PistolPete44
12-27-2012, 10:30 PM
Kobe fans: haha bird sucks only 3 rings , 2 as the lead dog , 1 as a sidekick to MAXWELL, while kobe carries shaq in 01,02 (perhaps 00) and the whole team in 09,10 against strong teams like pacers and magic
Kobe's 5 rings >>>>> bird's 3 worthless rings in weak era
rofl....these kobe fans
Knoe Itawl
12-27-2012, 10:30 PM
The reason Kobe Fanboys are so pathetic is that they just can't admit the simple FACT that NO ONE was winning a title with Mo Williams as their second best player. Period. It's a simple as that. So people can point to Lebron's playoff failures with Cleveland, but the fact that he even GOT that squad there is amazing enough, which non biased, non Lebron haters recognize.
DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:31 PM
Lebron has 0 rings without Wade and Bosh. Your argument saying Kobe couldn't win unless his team is stacked isnt close to valid if you want to compare the 2 players.
Heat weren't even favorites last year against OKC. Wade was hurt, not 100%, same with Bosh. And both are overrated.
Lebron........superior.
Knoe Itawl
12-27-2012, 10:34 PM
Heat weren't even favorites last year against OKC. Wade was hurt, not 100%, same with Bosh. And both are overrated.
Lebron........superior.
Exactly. Everyone was talking about how OKC was going to steamroll the Heat. Not only that but both Wade and Bosh were injured. Lebron carried that squad.
DonDadda59
12-27-2012, 10:34 PM
Lebron leads the league in hypothetical rings :oldlol:
The OP posed a hypothetical, so it would reason to discuss hypothetical situations, no? :confusedshrug:
I'm not even hating on Lebron, but you guys and your irrational hypothetical scenarios are ridiculous.
It's not really irrational. The '96-'97 Lakers won 56 games with an 18 year old Kobe riding the bench and averaging 7 PPG. 18 YO Lebron was much more NBA ready than Kobe at that age, I think virtually all rational, unbiased people would agree. Plus him being a SF would not displace any of the stars on the team. So you'd have a Lakers lineup of:
Prime Shaq
Elden Campbell
Lebron James
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel
That team could've competed against any NBA team in a 7 game series from the get go. The '03 Cavaliers on the other hand with a string bean, underdeveloped Kobe would've looked like:
Big Z
Carlos Boozer
Darius Miles
Kobe Bryant (if he even got to start over Ricky Davis)
Jeff McInnis
That team isn't winning shit.
Then you have guys like Karl Malone, Gary Payton possibly playing with Bron and Kobe looking forward to having Mo Williams and Varejao as his best teammates... yeah, not even close. :oldlol:
And lol at Kobe not getting at of the first round in the weak east. Are you retarded? :lol
Kobe can't even get to over .500 with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash as teammates. But he's going to have success with Varejao and Mo? He would've demanded a trade long before he got out of the first with that squad.
The first time Lebron got to experience playing with a team with some of the same talent Kobe was paired with from day 1 of his career, he made the finals twice in a row and counting. There is no way in hell Kobe takes the '07 Cavaliers to the Finals the way Lebron did, especially against the Pistons D. No way in hell :oldlol:
The reason Kobe Fanboys are so pathetic is that they just can't admit the simple FACT that NO ONE was winning a title with Mo Williams as their second best player. Period. It's a simple as that. So people can point to Lebron's playoff failures with Cleveland, but the fact that he even GOT that squad there is amazing enough, which non biased, non Lebron haters recognize.
B-but kobe has 5 rings! Surely winning 5 alongside gasol, odom, shaq means he would win at least one with mo williams as his second option!!
Heat weren't even favorites last year against OKC. Wade was hurt, not 100%, same with Bosh. And both are overrated.
Lebron........superior.
Keep telling yourself that. Heat don't make the finals without Wade or Bosh, let alone win the damn thing. You've got some black and red glasses on if you truly believe the shit you're spewing out.
The OP posed a hypothetical, so it would reason to discuss hypothetical situations, no? :confusedshrug:
It's not really irrational. The '96-'97 Lakers won 56 games with an 18 year old Kobe riding the bench and averaging 7 PPG. 18 YO Lebron was much more NBA ready than Kobe at that age, I think virtually all rational, unbiased people would agree. Plus him being a SF would not displace any of the stars on the team. So you'd have a Lakers lineup of:
Prime Shaq
Elden Campbell
Lebron James
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel
That team could've competed against any NBA team in a 7 game series from the get go. The '03 Cavaliers on the other hand with a string bean, underdeveloped Kobe would've looked like:
Big Z
Carlos Boozer
Darius Mile
Kobe Bryant (if he even got to start over Ricky Davis)
Jeff McInnis
That team isn't winning shit.
Then you have guys Karl Malone, Gary Payton possibly playing with Bron and Kobe looking forward to having Mo Williams and Varejao as his best teammates... yeah, not even close. :oldlol:
Kobe can't even get to over .500 with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash as teammates. But he's going to have success with Varejao and Mo? He would've demanded a trade long before he got out of the first with that squad.
The first time Lebron got to experience playing with a team with some of the same talent Kobe was paired with from day 1 of his career, he made the finals twice in a row and counting. There is no way in hell Kobe takes the '07 Cavaliers the way Lebron did, especially against the Pistons D. No way in hell :oldlol:
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DaPerceive
12-27-2012, 10:39 PM
Keep telling yourself that. Heat don't make the finals without Wade or Bosh, let alone win the damn thing. You've got some black and red glasses on if you truly believe the shit you're spewing out.
You don't get there without help, but Lebron's help was far less than Kobe's.
ihoopallday
12-27-2012, 10:44 PM
LeBron with prime Shaq would be ****ing scary.
You don't get there without help, but Lebron's help was far less than Kobe's.
Don't start back peddling now.
First it was Kobe is a dick sucker and got carried to his rings. Now it's Kobe just had more help than Bron?
But Bron had 2 overrated players and carried them.
Lol. I'm not going to try to argue which team had the better supporting cast, because it's impossible to say. But acting as if Kobe was carried to his rings, and Bron was god and strapped Wade and Bosh to his back for his 1 ring, is just ignorant.
Mr. Incredible
12-27-2012, 10:45 PM
Kobe only has 1 MVP. And only 2 MVPs. He's also been swept in the playoffs. :lol
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 10:47 PM
The OP posed a hypothetical, so it would reason to discuss hypothetical situations, no? :confusedshrug:
It's not really irrational. The '96-'97 Lakers won 56 games with an 18 year old Kobe riding the bench and averaging 7 PPG. 18 YO Lebron was much more NBA ready than Kobe at that age, I think virtually all rational, unbiased people would agree. Plus him being a SF would not displace any of the stars on the team. So you'd have a Lakers lineup of:
Prime Shaq
Elden Campbell
Lebron James
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel
That team could've competed against any NBA team in a 7 game series from the get go. The '03 Cavaliers on the other hand with a string bean, underdeveloped Kobe would've looked like:
Big Z
Carlos Boozer
Darius Mile
Kobe Bryant (if he even got to start over Ricky Davis)
Jeff McInnis
That team isn't winning shit.
Then you have guys Karl Malone, Gary Payton possibly playing with Bron and Kobe looking forward to having Mo Williams and Varejao as his best teammates... yeah, not even close. :oldlol:
Kobe can't even get to over .500 with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash as teammates. But he's going to have success with Varejao and Mo? He would've demanded a trade long before he got out of the first with that squad.
The first time Lebron got to experience playing with a team with some of the same talent Kobe was paired with from day 1 of his career, he made the finals twice in a row and counting. There is no way in hell Kobe takes the '07 Cavaliers the way Lebron did, especially against the Pistons D. No way in hell :oldlol:
Nash has played 5 games, Dwight has performed well below expectations, and Pau is a shell of his former self averaging like 12 points on 40% shooting :oldlol: Kobe is the only consistently great player on the team (maybe Nash too now that he is finally back) and is averaging 30/5/5 on 48% shooting. He's definitely a top 3 player right now, but I know you wouldn't want to admit it. I remember you bitching and moaning when the Lakers got Dwight and saying he was gonna carry Kobe and all that crap. Of course, that turned out to be laughably wrong :lol
As for the rest of your post, I don't feel like getting into silly hypothetical scenarios. Unfortunately for you, we live in reality in which Kobe has 5 rings and is widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time.
:oldlol:
Kobe only has 1 MVP. And only 2 MVPs. He's also been swept in the playoffs. :lol
Lebrons been swept in the Playoffs too
Lebrons been swept in the Playoffs too
how about you go take a look at the teammates both players had when they got swept :lol
SpecialQue
12-27-2012, 10:50 PM
How many rings would Bill Russell win with the Big O's supporting cast?
How many rings would Jordan win if he were drafted by the Blazers?
How many rings would Shaq win if he stayed in Orlando?
If you put a hamburger in the toaster, does it still sing "Happy Birthday"?
how about you go take a look at the teammates both players had when they got swept :lol
You act like I don't know who were on the rosters.
The dude was acting like Lebron hadn't been swept. I don't care who was or wasn't on his team, fact is he was still swept.
DonDadda59
12-27-2012, 10:54 PM
Of course, that turned out to be laughably wrong :lol
Lakers 1 game under .500 and not even in the playoff picture right now is laughable. So maybe the Lakers should try a new approach, obviously everyone standing around watching Kobe shoot isn't working. Kevin Love gets ragged on for putting up big, empty stats... and his team is at least .500 with Rubio missing the bulk of the season :oldlol:
As for the rest of your post, I don't feel like getting into silly hypothetical scenarios.
Then leave the thread. The entire premise of the OP was hypothetical :confusedshrug:
Kobe when his teams were mediocre
2005 - no playoffs
2006 - 1st round exit
2007 - 1st round exit
0 playoff series won without Shaq or Gasol in 3 years
Jordan 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen.
TheBigVeto
12-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Kobe would demand a trade because he is a spoiled kid that just wants to play on stacked/dominant teams.
At least Lebron finished his contract with CLE.
This.
Kobe with Cavs supporting cast will have a record of 5-77.
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 10:58 PM
Lakers 1 game under .500 and not even in the playoff picture right now is laughable. So maybe the Lakers should try a new approach, obviously everyone standing around watching Kobe shoot isn't working. Kevin Love gets ragged on for putting up big, empty stats... and his team is at least .500 with Rubio missing the bulk of the season :oldlol:
Yeah, giving the ball to Dwight, who is vastly inferior to Kobe offensively, is such a good idea.
You guys are running out of talking points :oldlol:
Nash has played 5 games, Dwight has performed well below expectations, and Pau is a shell of his former self averaging like 12 points on 40% shooting :oldlol: Kobe is the only consistently great player on the team (maybe Nash too now that he is finally back) and is averaging 30/5/5 on 48% shooting. He's definitely a top 3 player right now, but I know you wouldn't want to admit it. I remember you bitching and moaning when the Lakers got Dwight and saying he was gonna carry Kobe and all that crap. Of course, that turned out to be laughably wrong :lol
As for the rest of your post, I don't feel like getting into silly hypothetical scenarios. Unfortunately for you, we live in reality in which Kobe has 5 rings and is widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time.
:oldlol:
He has a point that you seem oblivious to. Since you are such a grounded person who is so concerned with reality why don't we discuss the reality of both player's careers. One of the two players was blessed to land on a team with one of the GOATs in his prime, plus a franchise with a front office that constantly surrounds it's stars with talent.
The other guy has been putting up historic seasons every year of his career yet he has been eternally labelled overrated for not overachieving to a ridiculous extent. Kobe fans seem convinced that their guy is the #1 GOAT and that the other guy is overrated and is not top 10 material. Who is closer to reality?
Knoe Itawl
12-27-2012, 11:02 PM
He has a point that you seem oblivious to. Since you are such a grounded person who is so concerned with reality why don't we discuss the reality of both player's careers. One of the two players was blessed to land on a team with one of the GOATs in his prime, plus a franchise with a front office that constantly surrounds it's stars with talent.
The other guy has been putting up historic seasons every year of his career yet he has been eternally labelled overrated for not overachieving to a ridiculous extent. Kobe fans seem convinced that their guy is the #1 GOAT and that the other guy is overrated and is not top 10 material. Who is closer to reality?
The things is, except for your really delusional Bryant stans (ala kenneth, who may actually have mental deficiencies) they realize all of this. However, they can never actually ADMIT any of it because doing so allows questioning of the Godbe's legacy, which is something that they will never, ever do.
This is why you have Heavincent talking about not discussing hypotheticals IN A THREAD ABOUT HYPOTHETICALS. He could simply have ignored it, but they just have to defend Godbe, even while pretending that they don't care about the subject.
DonDadda59
12-27-2012, 11:04 PM
Yeah, giving the ball to Dwight, who is vastly inferior to Kobe offensively, is such a good idea.
Dwight is the best center in the league and was good enough to lead a much inferior team to the finals with the offense going through him. Unless of course Dwight is a scrub and Kobe's championship against the Magic should be diminished in everyone's eyes :confusedshrug:
You guys are running out of talking points :oldlol:
No, the Lakers are running out of time to even make the playoffs :oldlol:
But you don't give a shit about that though, right? As long as Kobe gets his empty stats :bowdown:
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 11:08 PM
He has a point that you seem oblivious to. Since you are such a grounded person who is so concerned with reality why don't we discuss the reality of both player's careers. One of the two players was blessed to land on a team with one of the GOATs in his prime, plus a franchise with a front office that constantly surrounds it's stars with talent.
And that guy is also a top 10 player of all time and has been putting monster numbers for well over a decade.
People that still hate on and question Kobe and Lebron as players are retarded. Lebron is an absolute monster. I used to question his clutch ability/mentality, but he proved me wrong last year. I don't like him, but I can't deny his greatness. And it's hilarious how people still try to discredit Kobe. The Kobe detractors just refuse to admit that they were wrong about him. Same with the Lebron detractors.
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 11:11 PM
Dwight is the best center in the league
:roll:
longtime lurker
12-27-2012, 11:12 PM
Remember when Lebron won a ring in 2011 with a stacked team that included prime D Wade and Bosh?
Me neither
tpols
12-27-2012, 11:12 PM
Probably one or two.. They east was a joke back then. Wizards old pistons old nets.. Straight joke. And since kobe was the absolute spurs killer he could've put up a good fight against them in the finals. Would've had serious chance in his peak from 05ish to 07 and would've had another crack in 09 . Basically anywhere he could avoid the only truly good team in the Celtics.
The things is, except for your really delusional Bryant stans (ala kenneth, who may actually have mental deficiencies) they realize all of this. However, they can never actually ADMIT any of it because doing so allows questioning of the Godbe's legacy, which is something that they will never, ever do.
This is why you have Heavincent talking about not discussing hypotheticals IN A THREAD ABOUT HYPOTHETICALS. He could simply have ignored it, but they just have to defend Godbe, even while pretending that they don't care about the subject.
The sad thing is the blatant obviousness for the reason why they are acting like this hypothetical is ridiculous and of no value. It is quite simply because they want to continue decieving themselves into thinking that kobe can replicate his 5 ring achievement anywhere he goes. If they start using their ability to reason they will instantly see that the only reason why he won those 5 rings because he was on a team that was good enough to win 5 rings.
For that reason they would prefer to avoid using their imagination and would rather continue to believe that 5 rings is an inherent part of kobe's dna as a basketball player rather than accept the fact that 5 rings is a circumstance of his fortune.
Mr Exlax
12-27-2012, 11:14 PM
Jordan 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen.
You're gonna get banned for that lol. Very good fact though. I had no idea.
Probably one or two.. They east was a joke back then. Wizards old pistons old nets.. Straight joke. And since kobe was the absolute spurs killer he could've put up a good fight against them in the finals. Would've had serious chance in his peak from 05ish to 07 and would've had another crack in 09 . Basically anywhere he could avoid the only truly good team in the Celtics.
What is it exactly that makes you think kobe wins a ring or two with those cleveland rosters? This will be good
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-27-2012, 11:17 PM
Agendas from both sides. Typical ISH. :oldlol:
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 11:20 PM
The sad thing is the blatant obviousness for the reason why they are acting like this hypothetical is ridiculous and of no value. It is quite simply because they want to continue decieving themselves into thinking that kobe can replicate his 5 ring achievement anywhere he goes. If they start using their ability to reason they will instantly see that the only reason why he won those 5 rings because he was on a team that was good enough to win 5 rings.
For that reason they would prefer to avoid using their imagination and would rather continue to believe that 5 rings is an inherent part of kobe's dna as a basketball player rather than accept the fact that 5 rings is a circumstance of his fortune.
Those 5 rings are also a result of Kobe being one of the 10 greatest players to ever live.
Should we also discredit Shaq, Magic and Kareem's rings too? You know, because they played on the Lakers.
tpols
12-27-2012, 11:22 PM
The sad thing is the blatant obviousness for the reason why they are acting like this hypothetical is a ridiculous and of no value. It is quite simply because they want to continue decieving themselves into thinking that kobe can replicate his 5 ring achievement anywhere he goes. If they start using their ability to reason they will instantly see that the only reason why he won those 5 rings because he was on a team that was good enough to win 5 rings.
For that reason they would prefer to avoid using their imagination and would rather continue to believe that 5 rings is an inherent part of kobe's dna as a basketball player rather than accept the fact that 5 rings is a circumstance of his fortune.
You're underrating the cavs teams and overatting the eastern conference and not taking into account that kobes peak came durng the east weakest point in the conference since Allen Iverson made the finals. And that's what the cavs could've been with Kobe.. Sixers on roids with good defenders and role players with a super version of A. I. In kobe.
We would've seen some ridiculous 50-60 point outbursts against the wiz and Nets..and a broken down Detroit Team. The east was truly a JOKE compared to the stacked spurs, mavs with Dirk playing like bird, amare Nash jj Marion sun's, even the deron ak47 booze jazz, and cp3 west Chandler hornets. It's just a joke in terms of competition.. 37 year old Ben Wallace and rip Hamilton? 35 year old kidd and Carter coming off lunch break? Gilbert arenas and anyway Jamison? Bunch of weak ass teams.. Strongest comp was the Wade heat who were nothing after Shaq fell off.
You're underrating the cavs teams and overatting the eastern conference and not taking into account that kobes peak came durng the east weakest point in the conference since Allen Iverson made the finals. And that's what the cavs could've been with Kobe.. Sixers on roids with good defenders and role players with a super version of A. I. In kobe.
We would've seen some ridiculous 50-60 point outbursts against the wiz and Nets..and a broken down Detroit Team. The east was truly a JOKE compared to the stacked spurs, mavs with Dirk playing like bird, amare Nash jj Marion sun's, even the deron ak47 booze jazz, and cp3 west Chandler hornets. It's just a joke in terms of competition.. 37 year old Ben Wallace and rip Hamilton? 35 year old kidd and Carter coming off lunch break? Gilbert arenas and anyway Jamison? Bunch of weak ass teams.. Strongest comp was the Wade heat who were nothing after Shaq fell off.
Those cavs teams with kobe would have been DESTROYED by the magic in 2009 and similarly swept by the celtics in 2010.
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 11:31 PM
You're underrating the cavs teams and overatting the eastern conference and not taking into account that kobes peak came durng the east weakest point in the conference since Allen Iverson made the finals. And that's what the cavs could've been with Kobe.. Sixers on roids with good defenders and role players with a super version of A. I. In kobe.
We would've seen some ridiculous 50-60 point outbursts against the wiz and Nets..and a broken down Detroit Team. The east was truly a JOKE compared to the stacked spurs, mavs with Dirk playing like bird, amare Nash jj Marion sun's, even the deron ak47 booze jazz, and cp3 west Chandler hornets. It's just a joke in terms of competition.. 37 year old Ben Wallace and rip Hamilton? 35 year old kidd and Carter coming off lunch break? Gilbert arenas and anyway Jamison? Bunch of weak ass teams.. Strongest comp was the Wade heat who were nothing after Shaq fell off.
A lot of good points here. Could you imagine if Kobe played in the east in 06 and 07? He was at his peak in those years. He would have taken a giant shit on those weak ass east teams. The Wizards?! The freaking Wizards? :roll:
Kobe always faced stiff competition even early in the playoffs. From 08 to 10, those lower seed West teams always played the Lakers tough. The lower Eastern seeds are usually complete pushovers and don't even belong in the playoffs.
A lot of good points here. Could you imagine if Kobe played in the east in 06 and 07? He was at his peak in those years. He would have taken a giant shit on those weak ass east teams. The Wizards?! The freaking Wizards? :roll:
Kobe always faced stiff competition even early in the playoffs. From 08 to 10, those lower seed West teams always played the Lakers tough. The lower Eastern seeds are usually complete pushovers and don't even belong in the playoffs.
Kobe would have scored a lot but he would get knocked off early every year in the playoffs. No one other than jordan would have made it as far as lebron did each year
tpols
12-27-2012, 11:38 PM
Those cavs teams with kobe would have been DESTROYED by the magic in 2009 and similarly swept by the celtics in 2010.
I admitted that.. Kobe ain't beating the Celtics in any year. But they were weak in 09 and he still has 05 to 07 to capitalize. 08 maybe if the cs get knocked out by someone else like they almost did to the hawks I belive.
But 09 magic? I you do realize how on fire they were from 3 right? I not brons fault there.. Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way but magic got so fvcking lucky in that series. The 3 ball dropping like jt did then opened up their whole game plan.. It was literally a perfect storm. With 3s dropping like that Dwight got more room to operate, hedo was actually able to play make since the cavs had to start gluing their man aka weaker help. And they were able to go to work.
I bet if you let Bron replay that series ten times he and the cavs win seven out of ten.
I admitted that.. Kobe ain't beating the Celtics in any year. But they were weak in 09 and he still has 05 to 07 to capitalize. 08 maybe if the cs get knocked out by someone else like they almost did to the hawks I belive.
But 09 magic? I you do realize how on fire they were from 3 right? I not brons fault there.. Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way but magic got so fvcking lucky in that series. The 3 ball dropping like jt did then opened up their whole game plan.. It was literally a perfect storm. With 3s dropping like that Dwight got more room to operate, hedo was actually able to play make since the cavs had to start gluing their man aka weaker help. And they were able to go to work.
I bet if you let Bron replay that series ten times he and the cavs win seven out of ten.
I agree
tpols
12-27-2012, 11:46 PM
A lot of good points here. Could you imagine if Kobe played in the east in 06 and 07? He was at his peak in those years. He would have taken a giant shit on those weak ass east teams. The Wizards?! The freaking Wizards? :roll:
Kobe always faced stiff competition even early in the playoffs. From 08 to 10, those lower seed West teams always played the Lakers tough. The lower Eastern seeds are usually complete pushovers and don't even belong in the playoffs.
People like Don dadda and red here don't want to a knowledge that kobe is a top time ten player of all time. Just like they think we are the loonys on he end of the spectrum they are on the exact same plane just at the other end. They see all the selfish play in kobes old age and t the fg articles and the rapist jokes and think that kobe really does suck. He was a ball hog.. The second greatest balhog of all time behind Jordan and after Iverson.. But he guess what? Ballhoga can win in this league centered around individual play and refs catering to superstars. Kobe would've had some ridiculous scoring outbursts against those weak ass ecf teams.. I'm talking historic outbursts. And his team would've had an easy path to at worst three eastern conference finals and a cracks at a few finals. Who knows what would've happened after that?
Kobe and the Lakers almost upset a 1 and 2 early seed in the playoffs as seven and eights.. And he gets shit for that. Only kobe. :oldlol:
Heavincent
12-27-2012, 11:55 PM
People like Don dadda and red here don't want to a knowledge that kobe is a top time ten player of all time. Just like they think we are the loonys on he end of the spectrum they are on the exact same plane just at the other end. They see all the selfish play in kobes old age and t the fg articles and the rapist jokes and think that kobe really does suck. He was a ball hog.. The second greatest balhog of all time behind Jordan and after Iverson.. But he guess what? Ballhoga can win in this league centered around individual play and refs catering to superstars. Kobe would've had some ridiculous scoring outbursts against those weak ass ecf teams.. I'm talking historic outbursts. And his team would've had an easy path to at worst three eastern conference finals and a cracks at a few finals. Who knows what would've happened after that?
Kobe and the Lakers almost upset a 1 and 2 early seed in the playoffs as seven and eights.. And he gets shit for that. Only kobe. :oldlol:
Yeah they always use that crap about Kobe being 0-2 in the playoffs without Pau or Shaq. Talk about cherry picking :oldlol:
Kobe had to play those loaded Suns squads in the first round. If he was playing in the East they would have had a much higher seed and a much, much easier first round opponent.
People like Don dadda and red here don't want to a knowledge that kobe is a top time ten player of all time. Just like they think we are the loonys on he end of the spectrum they are on the exact same plane just at the other end. They see all the selfish play in kobes old age and t the fg articles and the rapist jokes and think that kobe really does suck. He was a ball hog.. The second greatest balhog of all time behind Jordan and after Iverson.. But he guess what? Ballhoga can win in this league centered around individual play and refs catering to superstars. Kobe would've had some ridiculous scoring outbursts against those weak ass ecf teams.. I'm talking historic outbursts. And his team would've had an easy path to at worst three eastern conference finals and a cracks at a few finals. Who knows what would've happened after that?
Kobe and the Lakers almost upset a 1 and 2 early seed in the playoffs as seven and eights.. And he gets shit for that. Only kobe. :oldlol:
Dawg Ive been watching kobe do his thing for YEARS now so I know exactly who and what he is - and he is a beast. But at the same time it is reality that he is overrated by the many fans who are incapable of viewing things in context, and the lebron's situation in cleveland is the perfect example of that.
There are those who assume that kobe is automatically a better player than lebron just because he won 5 rings with some amazing teams while lebron was always overachieving with solid but ultimately mediocre teams in cleveland. Lebron has been better than kobe since 2008 if you ask me, but only now that he won a championship are people coming around to this fact.
Yao Ming's Foot
12-27-2012, 11:57 PM
Any superstar in league history when paired with a top defensive, rebounding and three point shooting supporting cast is capable of duplicating what Lebron accomplished given the competition with the Cavs and what Lebron accomplished with 2 all star teammates with the Heat. :confusedshrug:
5 rings with only 1 all star teammate per title team
5 rings with only 1 HOF teammate per title team.
5 rings without an all defensive 1st team teammate
If its so easy why is it that Kobe is the only player to accomplish it. :confusedshrug:
tpols
12-28-2012, 12:03 AM
Dawg Ive been watching kobe do his thing for YEARS now so I know exactly who and what he is - and he is a beast. But at the same time it is reality that he is overrated by the many fans who are incapable of viewing things in context, and the lebron's situation in cleveland is the perfect example of that.
There are those who assume that kobe is automatically a better player than lebron just because he won 5 rings with some amazing teams while lebron was always overachieving with solid but ultimately mediocre teams in cleveland. Lebron has been better than kobe since 2008 if you ask me, but only now that he won a championship are people coming around to this fact.
Not many people assume kobe is better than Bron. This whole younger generation that started getting seriously into bball five years ago believe Bron is >>>>> kobe. They really do. His weaker play in old age versus LeBron's current prime play only reinforces this and they think kobe was the same player back then that he is now because he has the same 30/5/5 numbers.. Don't trust the numbers. Kobe was three times the player at his peak six seven years ago despite putting up the same statline now. His scoring came more in bunches and was more momentum crushing. And his d was much more potent.
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 12:03 AM
Dawg Ive been watching kobe do his thing for YEARS now so I know exactly who and what he is - and he is a beast. But at the same time it is reality that he is overrated by the many fans who are incapable of viewing things in context, and the lebron's situation in cleveland is the perfect example of that.
There are those who assume that kobe is automatically a better player than lebron just because he won 5 rings with some amazing teams while lebron was always overachieving with solid but ultimately mediocre teams in cleveland. Lebron has been better than kobe since 2008 if you ask me, but only now that he won a championship are people coming around to this fact.
2007 Detroit Pistons (53-29)
2009 Atlanta Hawks (47-35)
2008 Washington Wizards (43-39)
2010 Chicago Bulls (41-41)
2007 Washington Wizards (41-41)
2007 New Jersey Nets (41-41)
2009 Detroit Pistons (39-43)
:bowdown: :bowdown:
There isn't an all star in this league incapable of duplicating Lebron's "success" with the Cavs. Those teams dont even make the playoffs in the West.
Not many people assume kobe is better than Bron. This whole younger generation that started getting seriously into bball five years ago believe Bron is >>>>> kobe. They really do. His weaker play in old age versus LeBron's current prime play only reinforces this and they think kobe was the same player back then that he is now because he has the same 30/5/5 numbers.. Don't trust the numbers. Kobe was three times the player at his peak six seven years ago despite putting up the same statline now. His scoring came more in bunches and was more momentum crushing. And his d was much more potent.
This is true, kobe is a few years removed from his best season
longtime lurker
12-28-2012, 12:20 AM
Any superstar in league history when paired with a top defensive, rebounding and three point shooting supporting cast is capable of duplicating what Lebron accomplished given the competition with the Cavs and what Lebron accomplished with 2 all star teammates with the Heat. :confusedshrug:
5 rings with only 1 all star teammate per title team
5 rings with only 1 HOF teammate per title team.
5 rings without an all defensive 1st team teammate
If its so easy why is it that Kobe is the only player to accomplish it. :confusedshrug:
Not to diminish Lebron but this is absolutely true. Posters love to make his teammates look worse than they are just to prop up Lebron. This team perfectly complimented his talents or any superstar wing for that matter.
Vertical-24
12-28-2012, 12:35 AM
Kobe fans: haha bird sucks only 3 rings , 2 as the lead dog , 1 as a sidekick to MAXWELL, while kobe carries shaq in 01,02 (perhaps 00) and the whole team in 09,10 against strong teams like pacers and magic
Kobe's 5 rings >>>>> bird's 3 worthless rings in weak era
rofl....these kobe fans
To be fair, ive never seen someone hug Kobe's nuts that hard. KOBE143 would be the closest but he's not even a Kobe fan, he's a puppet account troll. But funny sh*t bro :oldlol:
G-Funk
12-28-2012, 12:51 AM
Lebron won't even win 4 with that stacked team
scandisk_
12-28-2012, 01:01 AM
Lebron won't even win 4 with that stacked team
he's on his way though..
Who's stopping MIA for the next 3-4 years?
:oldlol:
Jacks3
12-28-2012, 01:05 AM
I don't get the point of this thread. LeBron is regarded as the superior player and has been since like 09.
Why are LeBron fans so insecure?
STATUTORY
12-28-2012, 01:11 AM
Kobe when his teams were mediocre
2005 - no playoffs
2006 - 1st round exit
2007 - 1st round exit
0 playoff series won without Shaq or Gasol in 3 years
in the western conference
Lebron with a good Cleveland supporting cast got straight dusted and SWEPT by the 1st western conference team they face in the playoffs
ain't no honor beating up weak teams in the east
kobe would murked those team
Rojogaqu11
12-28-2012, 01:12 AM
I think Kobe playing 4 times against the Wiz, Bobcats, Raptors, Knicks, Hawks, Bucks, Nets, Bulls, etc. of 2003 to 2008 would go 2-80 on average if we look at it objectively.
I don't get the point of this thread. LeBron is regarded as the superior player and has been since like 09.
Why are LeBron fans so insecure?
Not everyone thinks like you. I have people arguing with me in person trying to convince me that 2012 is the first year that lebron is on kobe's level, and the reason behind that is always 5 rings.
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 01:49 AM
Not everyone thinks like you. I have people arguing with me in person trying to convince me that 2012 is the first year that lebron is on kobe's level, and the reason behind that is always 5 rings.
How much credence were people supposed to give Lebron as a legendary player for beating one 50 win team in a Cavs jersey? Give Tracy Mcgrady Lebron's defensive oriented teammates and that creampuff schedule and you don't think he could do the same? :confusedshrug:
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 01:54 AM
Not everyone thinks like you. I have people arguing with me in person trying to convince me that 2012 is the first year that lebron is on kobe's level, and the reason behind that is always 5 rings.
And why does it bother you? What difference does it make? Why do you care so much as to what other people think about such, rather subjective things?
How much credence were people supposed to give Lebron as a legendary player for beating one 50 win team in a Cavs jersey? Give Tracy Mcgrady Lebron's defensive oriented teammates and that creampuff schedule and you don't think he could do the same? :confusedshrug:
No one expects you to recognize anyone as a legendary player but on the flipside, expecting a player to win a championship with that level of talent is unfair and by that critera no player has ever been legendary. As I keep saying, no player all time would win in those circumstances.
And why does it bother you? What difference does it make? Why do you care so much as to what other people think about such, rather subjective things?
Jacks was saying that it is common knowledge that lebron is considered a superior player since 2009, and I was letting him know that that is not the case. And why do I care about people's opinions on something subjective? Why does anyone care about anything? Just correcting mistruths where I see it, ranking a player over another "because 5 rings" "because lost in cleveland, kobe woulda won 5 rings in cleveland" is irrational and illogical and it should be pointed out.
fpliii
12-28-2012, 02:10 AM
YMF - Sorta off-topic and not sure if I've asked you before, but who are your top 15 players all-time?
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 02:20 AM
No one expects you to recognize anyone as a legendary player but on the flipside, expecting a player to win a championship with that level of talent is unfair and by that critera no player has ever been legendary because as I keep saying, no player all time would win in those circumstances.
We expected Lebron to live up to the hype that we heard about him. No player in history has gotten more airtime for beating one good playoff team in 7 years. He was such an amazing leader who makes his teammates better except his magic powers disappeared when a legitimate playoff team appeared on the schedule. And despite that you are butthurt that people didn't equate him with the other guy on the opposite coast stacking rings against legitimate competition and putting up videogame numbers in the process. :facepalm
We expected Lebron to live up to the hype that we heard about him. No player in history has gotten more airtime for beating one good playoff team in 7 years. He was such an amazing leader who makes his teammates better except his magic powers disappeared when a legitimate playoff team appeared on the schedule. And despite that you are butthurt that people didn't equate him with the other guy on the opposite coast stacking rings against legitimate competition and putting up videogame numbers in the process. :facepalm
You literally did not understand one single thing. Butthurt that people didn't equate him with kobe? You worship kobe because he stacked rings and you think lebron choked and disappeared when he had legit competition?
You are the exact reason why I made this thread :lol
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 02:29 AM
YMF - Sorta off-topic and not sure if I've asked you before, but who are your top 15 players all-time?
Something like
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Magic
Kobe
Wilt
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
West
Oscar
Hakeem
Garnett
Malone
Stockton
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 02:33 AM
You literally did not understand one single thing. Butthurt that people didn't equate him with kobe? You worship kobe because he stacked rings and you think lebron choked and disappeared when he had legit competition?
You are the exact reason why I made this thread :lol
What is it with Lebron fans who want credit for things Lebron hypothetically could have done instead of things he actually did?
"5 rings" is a reference to actual results instead of mythical ones.
What is it with Lebron fans who want credit for things Lebron hypothetically could have done instead of things he actually did?
"5 rings" is a reference to actual results instead of mythical ones.
:lol you expect a serious response after this post
We expected Lebron to live up to the hype that we heard about him. No player in history has gotten more airtime for beating one good playoff team in 7 years. He was such an amazing leader who makes his teammates better except his magic powers disappeared when a legitimate playoff team appeared on the schedule. And despite that you are butthurt that people didn't equate him with the other guy on the opposite coast stacking rings against legitimate competition and putting up videogame numbers in the process. :facepalm
Literally every single sentence is wrong. :roll:
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 02:38 AM
:lol you expect a serious response after this post
Literally every single sentence is wrong. :roll:
What's wrong about it?
Let's start with this first one...
Name a player who has received more hype for beating lesser teams
What's wrong about it?
Let's start with this first one...
Name a player who has received more hype for beating lesser teams
Really? You want the breakdown? OK leggo
We expected Lebron to live up to the hype that we heard about him.
-what makes you see he hasn't lived up to the hype? bit premature don't you think?
No player in history has gotten more airtime for beating one good playoff team in 7 years.
Lebron's hype was because he beat the pistons in 07? Then why was he so hyped in highschool before he set foot in the nba
He was such an amazing leader who makes his teammates better except his magic powers disappeared when a legitimate playoff team appeared on the schedule.
Lebron was amazing all season and all playoffs, watchu talmbout?
And despite that you are butthurt that people didn't equate him with the other guy on the opposite coast stacking rings against legitimate competition and putting up videogame numbers in the process.
This is just you assuming that kobe is some gold standard that no other player can achieve. 5 rings! Lebron put up better stats and lead his team better - thus he won the mvp
:facepalm
indeed
swag2011
12-28-2012, 02:45 AM
Really? You want the breakdown? OK leggo
lol i notice how you COMPLETELY ignored this post as well. Cause it was nothing but straight up true facts.
2007 Detroit Pistons (53-29)
2009 Atlanta Hawks (47-35)
2008 Washington Wizards (43-39)
2010 Chicago Bulls (41-41)
2007 Washington Wizards (41-41)
2007 New Jersey Nets (41-41)
2009 Detroit Pistons (39-43)
:bowdown: :bowdown:
There isn't an all star in this league incapable of duplicating Lebron's "success" with the Cavs. Those teams dont even make the playoffs in the West.
Not taking anything away from lebron, but let's be ****in honest, he only beat 1 50 win team in the playoffs before going to Miami. Put Kobe and his poor Lakers in the East during that time and you tell me he can't beat some of these teams as well?
5 rings. deal with it.
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 02:48 AM
Jacks was saying that it is common knowledge that lebron is considered a superior player since 2009, and I was letting him know that that is not the case. And why do I care about people's opinions on something subjective? Why does anyone care about anything? Just correcting mistruths where I see it, ranking a player over another "because 5 rings" "because lost in cleveland, kobe woulda won 5 rings in cleveland" is irrational and illogical and it should be pointed out.
I think some of you guys spend way too much energy on trying to convince other people. It is not going to result in you enjoying the game more is all what I'm saying. Look... there are people out there thinking the Earth is flat. Do you think it is worth your time and energy to 'prove them wrong'?
lol i notice how you COMPLETELY ignored this post as well. Cause it was nothing but straight up true facts.
Not taking anything away from lebron, but let's be ****in honest, he only beat 1 50 win team in the playoffs before going to Miami. Put Kobe and his poor Lakers in the East during that time and you tell me he can't beat some of these teams as well?
5 rings. deal with it.
That post didn't get a response because there is nothing response worthy. No one is going to argue that the east was stacked, those teams were soft and we all expected the cavs to go through them.
I think some of you guys spend way too much energy on trying to convince other people. It is not going to result in you enjoying the game more is all what I'm saying. Look... there are people out there thinking the Earth is flat. Do you think it is worth your time and energy to 'prove them wrong'?
No homie, this is different. I am arguing this because I enjoy exposing the hypocrisy in some people, there is no joy to be had convincing someone who is retarded enough to think that the world is flat in the year 2012.
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 02:55 AM
We expected Lebron to live up to the hype that we heard about him.
-what makes you see he hasn't lived up to the hype? bit premature don't you think?
No player in history has gotten more airtime for beating one good playoff team in 7 years.
Lebron's hype was because he beat the pistons in 07? Then why was he so hyped in highschool before he set foot in the nba
He was such an amazing leader who makes his teammates better except his magic powers disappeared when a legitimate playoff team appeared on the schedule.
Lebron was amazing all season and all playoffs, watchu talmbout?
And despite that you are butthurt that people didn't equate him with the other guy on the opposite coast stacking rings against legitimate competition and putting up videogame numbers in the process.
This is just you assuming that kobe is some gold standard that no other player can achieve. 5 rings! Lebron put up better stats and lead his team better - thus he won the mvp
:facepalm
indeed
-Lebron didn't live up to the hype prior to last year. He had two terrible Finals appearances. This isn't debatable.
-You didnt list a player's name.
-The narrative switched up regular season vs post season. In the regular season Lebron's leadership was the reason for high win totals in the post season it was the lack of star power. The magic leadership was a mirage.
- Its much more likely for any scoring wing to lead a team to Cavs like playoff success given a great defense, strong rebounding and great 3 point shooting than for a scoring wing to win 5 titles in a stacked conference with one all star teammate over the course of a decade. :confusedshrug:
fpliii
12-28-2012, 02:56 AM
Something like
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Magic
Kobe
Wilt
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
West
Oscar
Hakeem
Garnett
Malone
Stockton
cool, thanks
dabulls23
12-28-2012, 02:58 AM
How many rings would Bill Russell win with the Big O's supporting cast?
How many rings would Jordan win if he were drafted by the Blazers?
How many rings would Shaq win if he stayed in Orlando?
If you put a hamburger in the toaster, does it still sing "Happy Birthday"?
:roll:
LakersForlife
12-28-2012, 02:59 AM
kobe 5 rings, lebron 1
swag2011
12-28-2012, 03:01 AM
That post didn't get a response because there is nothing response worthy. No one is going to argue that the east was stacked, those teams were soft and we all expected the cavs to go through them.
no, you didn't respond because it was the absolute truth and made you look stupid. We are PRAISING Lebron for carrying the almighty cavs through a terribly weak east with probably one of the easiest playoffs runs ever, yet sitting here acting like Kobe wouldn't do the same through the poor East as well that time, when he took a 2 seed to 7 games.
Isn't that your point? That Kobe played on stacked teams blah blah blah Lebron carried the cavs through the East, yet you are ignoring how WEAK the East was. Kobe was playing a team that could've actually won the championship that year. Lebron played teams that wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the West. that's what is so hilarious about this entire conversation. Let me repeat. He beat 1 50 win team in the playoffs before going to Miami. Stop making it seem like he did this historic run.
It just seems that you are mad that Kobe has 5 REAL rings. Regardless of how stacked you claim his teams were, fact of the matter is the 3 peat Lakers didn't not win a damn thing till Kobe became a full starter. Right? If they were so stacked, they should've won something while he was on that bench.
And this Miami Heat team is more stacked that the 08-10 Lakers. They have 2 players who have won FMVPs, best 3 point shooter in history and arguably the best big man in the East. And let's not act like they still aren't playing in a weak East, with D.Rose and Dwight both being out in the playoffs. Not to mention they still got taken to 7 games against a weak Boston.
seems to me you're upset that kobe has 5 rings. that is all. just say it dude.
-Lebron didn't live up to the hype prior to last year. He had two terrible Finals appearances. This isn't debatable.
-You didnt list a player's name.
-The narrative switched up regular season vs post season. In the regular season Lebron's leadership was the reason for high win totals in the post season it was the lack of star power. The magic leadership was a mirage.
- Its much more likely for any scoring wing to lead a team to Cavs like playoff success given a great defense, strong rebounding and great 3 point shooting than for a scoring wing to win 5 titles in a stacked conference with one all star teammate over the course of a decade. :confusedshrug:
everything you posted is absolutely irrelevant
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 03:05 AM
everything you posted is absolutely irrelevant
Relevancy is an opinion. Its not relevant to your interests because it doesn't support them. It is however the truth.
Tmuston Beltics
12-28-2012, 03:09 AM
kobe 5 rings, lebron 1
LAkersForlife 0 rings
no, you didn't respond because it was the absolute truth and made you look stupid. We are PRAISING Lebron for carrying the almighty cavs through a terribly weak east with probably one of the easiest playoffs runs ever, yet sitting here acting like Kobe wouldn't do the same through the poor East as well that time, when he took a 2 seed to 7 games.
Isn't that your point? That Kobe played on stacked teams blah blah blah Lebron carried the cavs through the East, yet you are ignoring how WEAK the East was. Kobe was playing a team that could've actually won the championship that year. Lebron played teams that wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the West. that's what is so hilarious about this entire conversation. Let me repeat. He beat 1 50 win team in the playoffs before going to Miami. Stop making it seem like he did this historic run.
It just seems that you are mad that Kobe has 5 REAL rings. Regardless of how stacked you claim his teams were, fact of the matter is the 3 peat Lakers didn't not win a damn thing till Kobe became a full starter. Right? If they were so stacked, they should've won something while he was on that bench.
And this Miami Heat team is more stacked that the 08-10 Lakers. They have 2 players who have won FMVPs, best 3 point shooter in history and arguably the best big man in the East. And let's not act like they still aren't playing in a weak East, with D.Rose and Dwight both being out in the playoffs. Not to mention they still got taken to 7 games against a weak Boston.
seems to me you're upset that kobe has 5 rings. that is all. just say it dude.
You are so ridiculously defensive and biased because you think we are attacking and discrediting kobe. Cmon bro just try to be reasonable. You are missing the whole point. No one was praising lebron for beating the wizards or beating the pisons after they became weak, lebron was getting hype because he was playing extremely well all of those seasons and post seasons and was legitimately good enough to deserve it.
And for f*cks sake I know he has 5 rings, no one is jealous or angry or spiteful. Congrats man you played your part in it too you were a great fan Im happy for you and all of that shit you want to hear.
Now let me ask you a specific concrete question. How do you think lebron would do against the magic in 09 if you gave him kobe's exact roster? Thats all I wanna know, just give me that one simple answer.
Relevancy is an opinion. Its not relevant to your interests because it doesn't support them. It is however the truth.
No. They are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the discussion. You have already proven that you are a troll looking for reactions, impossible to discuss anything with you.
Yao Ming's Foot
12-28-2012, 03:18 AM
No. They are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the discussion. You have already proven that you are a troll looking for reactions, impossible to discuss anything with you.
I'm a troll yet you created the thread and said it was made just for people like me. So I shove buckets of truth in your mouth and now you are backing out of the conversation. :roll:
I'm a troll yet you created the thread and said it was made just for people like me. So I shove buckets of truth in your mouth and now you are backing out of the conversation. :roll:
Not only are you a troll, you are a delusional troll. Nick young and kennethgriffin don't believe half the shit they post, you believe all of it. :lol
I've never seen a contingent of fans live so vicariously through a player like Bryant fanatics/groupies. It's astounding, really. Dudes get hella defensive too. :oldlol:
Y'all know this niqqa Kobe wouldn't pee on you dudes, if you were engulfed in flames, right?
tpols
12-28-2012, 03:27 AM
I've never seen a contingent of fans live so vicariously through a player like Bryant fanatics/groupies. It's astounding, really. Dudes get hella defensive too. :oldlol:
Y'all know this niqqa Kobe wouldn't pee on you dudes, if you were engulfed in flames, right?
:oldlol:
Kobe never passes up an opportunity to give a golden shower. :no:
:oldlol:
Kobe never passes up an opportunity to give a golden shower. :no:
:lol
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 04:27 AM
No homie, this is different. I am arguing this because I enjoy exposing the hypocrisy in some people, there is no joy to be had convincing someone who is retarded enough to think that the world is flat in the year 2012.
I see. I enjoy watching basketball but each to his own, I guess.
I see. I enjoy watching basketball but each to his own, I guess.
You enjoy discussing it too or else you wouldnt be here :lol
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 04:35 AM
You enjoy discussing it too or else you wouldnt be here :lol
Discussing something and talking about the same shit over and over are not the same to me.
Discussing something and talking about the same shit over and over are not the same to me.
where did I offend you?
swag2011
12-28-2012, 04:45 AM
You are so ridiculously defensive and biased because you think we are attacking and discrediting kobe. Cmon bro just try to be reasonable. You are missing the whole point. No one was praising lebron for beating the wizards or beating the pisons after they became weak, lebron was getting hype because he was playing extremely well all of those seasons and post seasons and was legitimately good enough to deserve it.
And for f*cks sake I know he has 5 rings, no one is jealous or angry or spiteful. Congrats man you played your part in it too you were a great fan Im happy for you and all of that shit you want to hear.
Now let me ask you a specific concrete question. How do you think lebron would do against the magic in 09 if you gave him kobe's exact roster? Thats all I wanna know, just give me that one simple answer.
that's the thing though, you know why you created this thread. it was basically to say kobe has played on stacked rosters his whole entire career, that's the only reason he won anything, and give lebron those rosters, then he would win. that's what you wanted to hear from everyone right? keep it real. notice how you applaud everyone in this thread who basically says that lebron would win with kobe's rosters. obvious agenda is obvious. fine. lebron would win with kobe's rosters. happy?
I think lebron would've beat the magic in 09 with kobe's roster. Isn't that what you wanted to hear? But let's not act like cleveland weren't the favorites for the championship 2 years straight, while winning 60 games. they weren't a "bad team" until they underachieved.
You can virtually say that about everyone though. if such and such played on this team instead of that person they would've won. But for some reason, we only get these types of threads with kobe. hmmm i wonder why.
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 04:49 AM
where did I offend you?
You didn't. Actually, I think you offend noone. The only person you are doing a misservice is yourself. I don't know how old you are, but I'd like to remind you that life isn't infinite. Time is running out. And you are spending yours on something that clearly isn't worth it.
Suppose you reach your goal and convince a few people. Then what?
that's the thing though, you know why you created this thread. it was basically to say kobe has played on stacked rosters his whole entire career, that's the only reason he won anything, and give lebron those rosters, then he would win. that's what you wanted to hear from everyone right? keep it real.
I think lebron would've beat the magic in 09 with kobe's roster. Is that what you wanted to hear? But let's not act like they weren't the favorites for the championship 2 years straight, while winning 60 games. they weren't a "bad team" until they underachieved.
You can virtually say that about everyone though. if such and such played on this team instead of that person they would've won. But for some reason, we only get these types of threads with kobe. hmmm i wonder why.
:applause: So we both agree that great players also need great teams to win, and this applies for all great players not just kobe or bron.
You didn't. Actually, I think you offend noone. The only person you are doing a misservice is yourself. I don't know how old you are, but I'd like to remind you that life isn't infinite. Time is running out. And you are spending yours on something that clearly isn't worth it.
Suppose you reach your goal and convince a few people. Then what?
Something has clearly offended you because you carry a judgemental air of superiority claiming that you know how one should and should not spend their time. Worry about yourself mang, it is not good to be so concerned with the way other people spend their free time.
swag2011
12-28-2012, 04:58 AM
:applause: So we both agree that great players also need great teams to win, and this applies for all great players not just kobe or bron.
:cheers: and great teams doesn't necessarily mean "stars" or even all stars, just a mix of talent that blends and complements each other. Such as the 60 win teams in Cleveland, or the 2011 Mavericks with Dirk.
still 5 rings tho.
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 04:58 AM
Something has clearly offended you because you carry a judgemental air of superiority claiming that you know how one should and should not spend their time. Worry about yourself mang, it is not good to be so concerned with the way other people spend their free time.
I won't spend much time on the subject, I promise. If it's the best way for you to spend your free time, continue. After all, I'm spending some of my free time to laugh at your activity, so it is all good.
I won't spend much time on the subject, I promise. If it's the best way for you to spend your free time, continue. After all, I'm spending some of my free time to laugh at your activity, so it is all good.
Bro I am not trying to annoy you, I honestly want to know why you are acting like I did something to offend you.
elementally morale
12-28-2012, 05:01 AM
Bro I am not trying to annoy you, I honestly want to know why you are acting like I did something to offend you.
You don't offend anyone but people stupid enough to be offended by similarly stupid shit. Relax, I'm not offended. Your life, your choice. Peace.
:cheers: and great teams doesn't necessarily mean "stars" or even all stars, just a mix of talent that blends and complements each other. Such as the 60 win teams in Cleveland, or the 2011 Mavericks with Dirk.
still 5 rings tho.
:roll: 2011 mavs with dirk are WAY more talented than the 60 wins cavs. And yes, 5 rings I gotcha. http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/Winking-Smiley.jpg
You don't offend anyone but people stupid enough to be offended by similarly stupid shit. Relax, I'm not offended. Your life, your choice. Peace.
peace doggie
scandisk_
12-28-2012, 05:25 AM
hey red,
http://assets.matchbin.com/sites/681/assets/Kobe_5_Rings_Streetball.png
still mad? :oldlol:
indiefan24
12-28-2012, 05:54 AM
good effort
hey red,
http://assets.matchbin.com/sites/681/assets/Kobe_5_Rings_Streetball.png
still mad? :oldlol:
:lol
Bandito
12-28-2012, 10:07 AM
Kobe when his teams were mediocre
2005 - no playoffs
2006 - 1st round exit
2007 - 1st round exit
0 playoff series won without Shaq or Gasol in 3 years
Do you really think that Lebron would've been able to go to the second round with the Cavs if they were in the west? If you do you are delusional:roll:
Bandito
12-28-2012, 10:10 AM
:roll: 2011 mavs with dirk are WAY more talented than the 60 wins cavs. And yes, 5 rings I gotcha. http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/Winking-Smiley.jpg
Are we going to pretend that if the Cavs beat the Magic they wouldn't have a better chance to beat the Lakers? They had them eating off the palm of their hands (probably) as they beat them in all (or most of them) games in the regular season.
MJ(Mean John)
12-28-2012, 11:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5keOBDzmMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMh9WZ4q8uM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/795911/
HAHAHAHAH
no wonder that dude is mad.
YAO- no rings. Most overrated piece of shit ever. Weak ****er couldn't last in the NBA. WeakSs pvssy.
LikeABosh
12-28-2012, 11:53 AM
He'd got 3-4 years not making the playoffs then bitch and demand a trade.
Sakkreth
12-28-2012, 11:58 AM
In thsi case there is no question bout rings, it's about which year they make playoffs.
Rysio
12-28-2012, 12:03 PM
put kobe on 07 cavs he gets a ring, put him on 11 heat he gets a ring. lebrick aint on mamba's level stop this shit. :facepalm
Kobe on those Cavs teams arguably puts up 40 PPG... albeit with a slightly worse record. Kobe flourishes individually on lesser teams (stats wise), it's been proven. Then again...
SilkkTheShocker
12-28-2012, 12:21 PM
put kobe on 07 cavs he gets a ring, put him on 11 heat he gets a ring. lebrick aint on mamba's level stop this shit. :facepalm
No chance in hell anyone was winning a title with that team. Even the 01 Sixers had more talent than the 07 Cavs. Varejao and Gibson were the 2nd and 3rd best players in the playoffs. Both would have been worse playing with Kobe. Not sure about 2011. LeBron played like dogs.hit in the Finals, but Kobe couldn't even take one game against the Mavs.
:oldlol: wow people are seriously saying Kobe could've led those Cavs teams to titles? Seriously, what makes you say that? This is a guy that has no history of leading bad to mediocre talent anywhere in the playoffs and no history in general of overachieving with teams. Its no wonder some people think he's the most overrated player ever. Not saying he wouldn't have gotten out of the 1st round or anything like that, because I also think those Cavs teams weren't as bad as people make them out to be, but to assume he would've done that much better then Lebron is ridiculous and shows how overrated he is.
And by the way, for everyone just pointing to Lebron playing in a weak East being the reason they had such a great record, check their records more closely. In each season from 2007-2010, the Cavs actually had a better record vs. the West then the East. And for everyone pointing to the weak East for why the Cavs would get far in the playoffs, maybe you're right. But ultimately, they still lost to better teams eventually whether it was in the East or in the Finals, which is what is usually always the case for all teams. So to assume that Kobe would've gotten much further is really stupid.
TheMarkMadsen
12-28-2012, 01:42 PM
:lol
Kobe's success eats away at the haters soul.
4 rings as a 25+ 5 5 player just rots their souls away
wakencdukest
12-28-2012, 01:48 PM
I'll put it this way- if you switched each guy's career (Lebron is drafted by the '96 Lakers at age 18, Kobe is drafted by the '03 Cavaliers at 18) then Lebron would be sitting on 6 or 7 rings while Kobe would have demanded a trade from Cleveland in around '07, having not gotten out of the first round in any season.
LeBron was NBA ready coming out of high school, in your scenario the Lakers would have probably taken a couple of rings away from chicago and San Antonio and might have won 7 or 8 straight.
imnew09
12-28-2012, 02:05 PM
5 rings. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Artillery
12-28-2012, 02:16 PM
The 5 rings argument has always been retarded seeing as 3 of those rings are sidekick rings.
put kobe on 07 cavs he gets a ring, put him on 11 heat he gets a ring. lebrick aint on mamba's level stop this shit. :facepalm
LOL
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76ifjg3vk1r98rtso1_500.gif
Lebron23
12-29-2012, 08:43 PM
Got this from the Ac Milan forum
http://i.imgur.com/IQOJf.jpg
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Doctor Rivers
12-29-2012, 08:45 PM
Got this from the Ac Millan forum
http://i.imgur.com/IQOJf.jpg
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Hoooo hah
Kiddlovesnets
12-29-2012, 09:10 PM
put kobe on 07 cavs he gets a ring, put him on 11 heat he gets a ring. lebrick aint on mamba's level stop this shit. :facepalm
Put Kobe on 07 Cavs he demands a trade.
oh the horror
12-29-2012, 09:34 PM
I've never seen a contingent of fans live so vicariously through a player like Bryant fanatics/groupies. It's astounding, really. Dudes get hella defensive too. :oldlol:
Y'all know this niqqa Kobe wouldn't pee on you dudes, if you were engulfed in flames, right?
and then you have the haters consistently following around the kobe fans, continuously making threads like this. who is worse exactly?
this is all so very circular.
and then you have the haters consistently following around the kobe fans, continuously making threads like this. who is worse exactly?
this is all so very circular.
Cmon doggie, pointing out facts and making this thread makes me a hater? :lol I literally have ZERO bias against kobe, and no I am not jealous of his rings. I wouldnt' mind having his paper, anyone can use an extra couple hundred mill but I have no use for his "5 rings" and I gain nothing from discrediting him. There is a valid point to this thread and its aimed at those who can't understand that rings are a team accomplishment, thus a player with 5 rings is not superior to a player with 3 rings simply based on the fact that he has more rings. That is all.
The point of this thread is the fact that you can't criticize players for not overachieving with average teams. This is the reason why AI is underrated, KG is underrated, Kidd is underrated, basically any player who spent a significant portion of their prime on mediocre teams. You don't penalize a player for playing on a stacked team but you don't automatically overrate them for their team's achievements.
great players also need great teams to win, and this applies for all great players not just kobe or bron.
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