The clippers have the best bench myth

[SacJB Shady]

They are doing well. But it pisses me off every time someone blindly says the clippers have the best bench. They may play well together but on paper they don't even have a good bench. People need to realize that 3 of their bench players are ex warriors and the warriors probably wouldn't want these bench players because they were no good for us. Jarret jack is much more efficient than Jamal Crawford. Look at the percentages before u start opposing and making funny faces. Lamar odom is another bench player this year. Karl Landry is having a much better season than him. And 40 year old hill is hurt. So these are the facts and when I explain people these simple facts they say " no no the clippers have the best bench they have a 15 game steak." but these players were all considered scrubs when they were on other teams. But some people like to live in fantasy rather than look at real life. Everyone that automatically says the clippers are the deepest team has absolutely no explanation other than "but they are the deepest team in the league." no they ain't. But some people don't wanna look at real life. Other than Bledsoe clippers bench is all scrubs.


The last time I checked Matt Barnes or Turiaf were not superstars

[Fudge]

Take your meds and then go to bed. It's getting late.

[JerryWest]

Take a nap and never come back please.

[BG32-KD35]

Theres are reason most of the Clippers starters play only half the game

[andgar923]

They are doing well. But it pisses me off every time someone blindly says the clippers have the best bench. They may play well together but on paper they don't even have a good bench. People need to realize that 3 of their bench players are ex warriors and the warriors probably wouldn't want these bench players because they were no good for us. Jarret jack is much more efficient than Jamal Crawford. Look at the percentages before u start opposing and making funny faces. Lamar odom is another bench player this year. Karl Landry is having a much better season than him. And 40 year old hill is hurt. So these are the facts and when I explain people these simple facts they say " no no the clippers have the best bench they have a 15 game steak." but these players were all considered scrubs when they were on other teams. But some people like to live in fantasy rather than look at real life. Everyone that automatically says the clippers are the deepest team has absolutely no explanation other than "but they are the deepest team in the league." no they ain't. But some people don't wanna look at real life. Other than Bledsoe clippers bench is all scrubs.


The last time I checked Matt Barnes or Turiaf were not superstars
:biggums:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Wow this thread...
:eek:

[TheCalmInsanity]

Player for player, the 2004 Pistons were outmatched by the Lakers. Why did they win the championship that year?

The best bench isn't composed of the best PLAYERS individually. This Clippers bench is dismantling opponents' starters. They play very well together, are very gritty defensively, and have been a force. That is what equates to them being the best bench.

[detroitdogg]

Agree. But no way are the clippers bench individual stars. Turiaf was on LAL and so so, Barnes was criticized on LAL. All of a sudden in a Clippers jersey they are part of the greatest bench. Just sayin.
What the **** does what these ****** did on their last team got to do with what they are doing now. Mannnn, get the **** outta here you hoe ass lil kid for you piss me the **** off with lack of knowlege about the NBA or Basketball in general. WTF is this bitch ass ***** trying to say, somebody else tell me whats the deal bro.

[LEFT4DEAD]

They are doing well. But it pisses me off every time someone blindly says the clippers have the best bench. They may play well together but on paper they don't even have a good bench. People need to realize that 3 of their bench players are ex warriors and the warriors probably wouldn't want these bench players because they were no good for us. Jarret jack is much more efficient than Jamal Crawford. Look at the percentages before u start opposing and making funny faces. Lamar odom is another bench player this year. Karl Landry is having a much better season than him. And 40 year old hill is hurt. So these are the facts and when I explain people these simple facts they say " no no the clippers have the best bench they have a 15 game steak." but these players were all considered scrubs when they were on other teams. But some people like to live in fantasy rather than look at real life. Everyone that automatically says the clippers are the deepest team has absolutely no explanation other than "but they are the deepest team in the league." no they ain't. But some people don't wanna look at real life. Other than Bledsoe clippers bench is all scrubs.


The last time I checked Matt Barnes or Turiaf were not superstars
Wow, them paragraphs! :biggums:

[TheCalmInsanity]

Agree. But no way are the clippers bench individual stars. Turiaf was on LAL and so so, Barnes was criticized on LAL. All of a sudden in a Clippers jersey they are part of the greatest bench. Just sayin.

I never said they were individual stars. The past doesn't matter, different system and different players. They didn't mesh as well on other teams and the system (or how they were used) might not have been optimal for them. I just don't understand how you doubt the title of best bench when the statistics and results have been crystal clear.

[PP34Deuce]

Barnes wont shoot from 3 like this all the time

Having hill billups Odom and Crawford offyour bench is balanced andmakes it the best

athletic gritty teams like Memphis will give them probs
Okc and mia can play slow them down.

[devin112]

Daddy issues?

[TheCalmInsanity]

Billups is shooting 33 percent. Crawford low 40's. Odom 37 percent.......

Not much of a bench to me...

Since when does shooting percentage make a bench good? You're just pulling stats out of your ass to try to prove a point.

Fact of the matter is they shut teams down. STARTERS or bench players. The Celtics scored 8 points in the 4th tonight with their starters out there against the bench (until a last second jumper gave them 10). They force turnovers, pass the ball well, and play great defense. Why do you focus on 1 stat to try to disprove things?

Look at how many points they score and how they shut down other teams. That alone should show you how good they are. Stop being biased.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Whatever it is, they're destroying teams and that's all I care about. They play good defense and their offense (though it seems as though none of them are capable of scoring outside of Crawford) gets it done night after night.

First time I saw the lineup I thought VDN was out of his mind. Turns out these guys have great chemistry and always play with that 5 in practice, so they know each other well and their ball movement gets the job done offensively. If you play defense, the offense will come (fast breaks, getting the other team to run around out of sync to get back on defense, etc).

[TheCalmInsanity]

I'm not saying they aren't doing good. I'm saying I don't get what is causing them to do good because they don't have anybody other than Paul that has any stats that stand out right now. And the stats that I do know, I pointed out that key players are very low in percentages and points. So beats me why they are doing so good. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. People think I'm crazy when I feel like I'm the only one trying to make sense out of this.

For Jamal Crawford- 37% 3's isn't bad. Plus, every shooter has hot and cold streaks. He's on a cold streak right now, and the fact that he gets so much defensive attention may not be good for his stats but it's great for the rest of the team, less defensive pressure since they're focusing on him so much, and more offensive rebounds since they're out of position trying to double him.

Also, he's shooting 90% free throws. That's even after a few misses more than usual lately. Like I said, you can't nitpick stats, there are plenty more where you aren't looking.

[Xiao Yao You]

Barnes wont shoot from 3 like this all the time

Having hill billups Odom and Crawford offyour bench is balanced andmakes it the best

athletic gritty teams like Memphis will give them probs
Okc and mia can play slow them down.

They don't have Hill and Billups(wasn't he starting anyway?) and have a shell of Odom.

[TheCalmInsanity]

37 pct 3's isn't bad, but can't explain a 15 game streak.

3 point percentage from one player shouldn't dictate a 15 game win streak anyways man...

[BG32-KD35]

37 pct 3's isn't bad, but can't explain a 15 game streak.

What do you think it is then?

[TheCalmInsanity]

- Well they have played the Suns twice, Mavericks, Kings, Bobcats, Jazz, Pistons, Hornets, Raptors. That's 9 of the worst teams. Only real good team they beat was Denver. Bucks are a medium team in the east, bulls are rose-less. The celtics are a 500 team this year.

- they have cp3

- they are on a hot streak

- defense has been good

Bro if 15 game win streaks were that easy everyone would have them. Every team has easy spots in the schedule. Quit making excuses, good teams beat the teams they should beat. We've also beat the Spurs twice, the Heat, the Grizzlies, and took OKC AT OKC to overtime during our losing streak. How do you explain those?

[embersyc]

I wrote this in the bathroom at the strip club. Was pissed cuz my buddy called and said the Clippers won by 30 and said they are deep. So felt like adding my 2 cents.


Nah **** that homie, I gotta go post on ISH and get my jerk on. :biggums:

[joeyjoejoe]

Barnes, odom, crawford, bledsoe and when back hill and billups is a pretty good bench man they got green and butler starting so their second unit is balanced and workin damn well

[Rubio2Gasol]

To me New York has the best bench. The problem is half the bench is currently injured.

[Whoah10115]

I don't know...OP is astonishing.



They don't have Hill and Billups(wasn't he starting anyway?) and have a shell of Odom.


Odom has players some damn good defense and is rebounding while he's out there. He can still move the ball, as well.

[ralph_i_el]

OP doesn't watch them I guess :confusedshrug:

to busy at the strip clubs eh man?

The clips bench has been better than most team's starting lineups. They share the ball and play good D. Bledsoe is becoming a stud. Matt barnes went off last night on pretty much just wide open shots.

It's Cp3's influence he just gets guys on the same page

[Skywalker]

Lowry Ross Kleiza Amir Bargnani

ftwftw

the starters are Calderon Derozan Pietrus Davis Val

[NugzFan]

Wow OP is getting close to cf, stallionaire, etc in terms of homer level

[NugzFan]

The clips bench has been better than most team's starting lineups.

:oldlol:

Yeah ok buddy. Keep thinking that.

[Clifton]

[U]
Agree. But no way are the clippers bench individual stars. Turiaf was on LAL and so so, Barnes was criticized on LAL. All of a sudden in a Clippers jersey they are part of the greatest bench. Just sayin.
The Clippers have two of the 3 or 4 best sixth men in recent memory, Odom and Crawford. And everyone else on that bench it seems to me has been a starter recently. And a lot of them aren't even healthy. And as for Turiaf? What is he, their 9th man? With Billups and Hill out? Oh, and I forgot about the Finals MVP they have on their bench not even playing.

[NugzFan]

[U]
The Clippers have two of the 3 or 4 best sixth men in recent memory, Odom and Crawford. And everyone else on that bench it seems to me has been a starter recently. And a lot of them aren't even healthy. And as for Turiaf? What is he, their 9th man? With Billups and Hill out? Oh, and I forgot about the Finals MVP they have on their bench not even playing.

while their bench is the best in the league, odom is not a top 6th man anymore.

[Mr. Jabbar]

For every fact, there is a lunatic calling it a myth.


Fact.

[LemonMan]

What the **** does what these ****** did on their last team got to do with what they are doing now. Mannnn, get the **** outta here you hoe ass lil kid for you piss me the **** off with lack of knowlege about the NBA or Basketball in general. WTF is this bitch ass ***** trying to say, somebody else tell me whats the deal bro.
:roll: :roll:

[Unstoppabull]

Please stop making threads, I liked you so much better when you were being a lunatic in the OTC.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Everyone knows Lamar Odom sucks now. How you gonna say the Clippers have a good bench when everyone else calls them scrubs? Billups and Hill are 40 and hurt.

Do you see what I'm saying? We all know Matt Barnes is not a starter, not a legitimate one. We all know Ronny Turiaf is not a starter.

So stop saying this team has better bench than other teams starters.

I much rather have Jarret Jack, Carl Landry, Draymond Green, and Brandon Rush, and Festus Ezili. I had half of the clippers bench before and they were no good for us. A bunch of scrubs. So the hell with u guys.

Take CP3 off that team and that bench is no good.

You guys are MORONS!!!!!!! Fricken IDIOTS

You DO have those guys you nut job. You'd rather have them? Good. Keep them. Cherish them. Hold onto them. All I know is, you can have your bench players for whatever reason (you're attracted to them, you're related to them, both...?), while my team with the bench you didn't want sits on top of not just the Western Conference, but the whole NBA with a 15 game win streak.

You can't call anyone a moron. Second of all, I don't care who you had from the Clippers bench. Fact is, the Clippers have them now, and in THE CLIPPERS OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SYSTEM (which is DIFFERENT than your freaking team's system) and with the OTHER PLAYERS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ON YOUR SQUAD (which also makes a difference with chemistry) they're doing well.

This is like the 7 year old that finds out Santa isn't real, doesn't believe it.. to the point where the guy in the Santa outfit takes off all the stuff right in front of the kids eyes and the kid still says "NO, SANTA'S REAL. YOU'RE JUST PRETENDING." You're like an idiotic 7 year old who I keep giving facts to. You never understand, you keep going around in circles, YOU SEE THE CLIPPER BENCH DOING WELL YOURSELF and still instead of giving them credit you say "NO THEY DIDN'T DO WELL IN THE PAST SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GOOD NOW THEY STILL SUCK". How does that even make any sense!??!

Another thing.. CP3 doesn't even play with that bench squad!!!!!! "A Tribe Called Bench" as they call them, is the lineup of Bledsoe, Crawford, Barnes, Odom, and Turiaf. Where is CP3 in that lineup?! That 5 comes in instantly for the starting 5, and is the 5 man squad that starts the 4th quarter every game (even when the Clippers were only up by 2 on the Suns, 85-83 going into the 4th. Look it up).

How many more times am I going to own you? Throw your keyboard, mouse, monitor, cat and/or any other pet feline/mammal you have, and remove the CPU from your computer all out the window. At this point, no matter how many times I've tried explaining this to you, you just ignore my facts and go back to your "I see it happening but I don't believe it so it's not real" bullshiet.

[LemonMan]

You DO have those guys you nut job. You'd rather have them? Good. Keep them. Cherish them. Hold onto them. All I know is, you can have your bench players for whatever reason (you're attracted to them, you're related to them, both...?), while my team with the bench you didn't want sits on top of not just the Western Conference, but the whole NBA with a 15 game win streak.

You can't call anyone a moron. Second of all, I don't care who you had from the Clippers bench. Fact is, the Clippers have them now, and in THE CLIPPERS OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SYSTEM (which is DIFFERENT than your freaking team's system) and with the OTHER PLAYERS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ON YOUR SQUAD (which also makes a difference with chemistry) they're doing well.

This is like the 7 year old that finds out Santa isn't real, doesn't believe it.. to the point where the guy in the Santa outfit takes off all the stuff right in front of the kids eyes and the kid still says "NO, SANTA'S REAL. YOU'RE JUST PRETENDING." You're like an idiotic 7 year old who I keep giving facts to. You never understand, you keep going around in circles, YOU SEE THE CLIPPER BENCH DOING WELL YOURSELF and still instead of giving them credit you say "NO THEY DIDN'T DO WELL IN THE PAST SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GOOD NOW THEY STILL SUCK". How does that even make any sense!??!

Another thing.. CP3 doesn't even play with that bench squad!!!!!! "A Tribe Called Bench" as they call them, is the lineup of Bledsoe, Crawford, Barnes, Odom, and Turiaf. Where is CP3 in that lineup?! That 5 comes in instantly for the starting 5, and is the 5 man squad that starts the 4th quarter every game (even when the Clippers were only up by 2 on the Suns, 85-83 going into the 4th. Look it up).

How many more times am I going to own you? Throw your keyboard, mouse, monitor, cat and/or any other pet feline/mammal you have, and remove the CPU from your computer all out the window. At this point, no matter how many times I've tried explaining this to you, you just ignore my facts and go back to your "I see it happening but I don't believe it so it's not real" bullshiet.

I loled :roll: :roll:

[TheCalmInsanity]

No, you are not owning me. The facts you gave were right. But my point was that individually, these players are not going to outplay most teams starting lineup. People keep thinking that they are. Ronny Turiaf hardly played on the Miami Heat. Matt Barnes wasn't wanted by the Lakers. So you see, Turiaf, Barnes, and Odom are all examples of guys that are misfits on many teams. Look at Odom. Dallas released him.

I never said you weren't winning. I never said you're not doing well. I'm simply saying that individually these bench guys are not the most talented. I'm not talking about their chemistry or their results. I'm saying in general Matt Barnes is a misfit on most teams. Miami had no room for Ronny. Odom has personal issues and shows up out of shape. Hill and Billups are hurt.

So I'm not saying they don't do well together, I'm saying individually they are not the best.

In the future people will come to see that I'm right. One year ago I made this thread and said that David Lee was better than Chris Bosh. Everyone called me crazy and wanted to spit in my face. I was the only one who defended my position and wouldn't submit to anyone's opinion. I believed in what I believed in and it wasn't such a false belief after all.

Now one year later, people Ain't laughing at me if I were to make such a statement. People would back me up and be on my side. I would have supporters. People are realizing that saying Lee is better than Bosh isn't such a crazy opinion after all. It's not so unreasonable anymore to say such a thing. And nothing has really changed, Lee has always been Lee. But I'm not a guy that submits to the media, I call players and teams out for what I see, not what the media exudes.

Same thing as the Clippers bench. They could win 70 games and a championship and my position still stands. They don't have the deepest team, they don't have the most talented bench. maybe CP3 makes them all better. Maybe they have great chemistry. But my position still stands. I will not back down and submit. Just be happy ur winning.

I don't care how good they are individually or how good they were/how they were misfits in the past. Stop bringing up that garbage, fact of the matter is, you never play "individually" in basketball.

You always have 5 people on the court, and it just so happens this 5 outscores and outdefends all the other benches in the nba. The best bench is the best group, not the best individual players.

The Lakers probably have the best individual players. Are they the best team in the nba? No. Its all about groups. You still don't understand this and you never will.

[dannywpt]

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[Al Thornton]

Tonight Utah was better as a group

1 game

[yobore]

Utah bench killed the Clips bench today

[BG32-KD35]

First time the bench has been beaten, they cant dominate every single game

[BG32-KD35]

How do u lose to Utah?

Heat lost to the Wizards, guess Wizards > Heat

[mrpibb]

How do u lose to Utah?

Are you seriously questioning Utah's bench? Like, for real, dude?

[TheCalmInsanity]

How do u lose to Utah?

More stupid things to try to beat his dead horse...

Just pick that thing up and bury it before it starts stinking, man.

No team, no bench is going to win 100% of their encounters. The Jazz bench outplayed us today. That's fine, it happens, it was a back to back and the Clippers bench played most of last night's game. Not to mention the Jazz bench is amazing and their atmosphere on their home court is crazy.

So you're saying if someone is the best at something, they can NEVER lose even once? So who's the best team in the NBA? Every team has lost at least a few games...

The Clippers bench outplays every bench in the NBA this whole season, and you guys say it means nothing.. They get outplayed once and that proves your point?

[TheCalmInsanity]

How do u lose to Utah?

By the way, we didn't lose to Utah. 16 straight wins.

[devin112]

loving your butt hurt

[devin112]

highest scoring bench = best bench. that's all i'm going to say, i'll leave you to ur trolling brah. have fun with it.

[KungFuJoe]

I have to admit...this sac shady dude is one of the better trolls I've seen lately.

[TheCalmInsanity]

But you guys SHOULD have lost.

If this was a game of who had the lead the longest Utah woulda won.

Should have means nothing.

All I see is the 16 game win streak, and the fact that my team's wins went up by 1 and losses stayed the same.

When will you stop trolling? It really sucks, I like the Warriors, even go to some of their games (I go to college in the bay area, 10 mins away from Oracle Arena) and yet because of you, it feels like I shouldn't be a fan of them.

You're so biased, you hate the Clippers for no reason. Shut the hell up and watch NBA, enjoy it. Warriors and Clippers are doing well, instead of being a moron, just sit back relax and enjoy.

[NugzFan]

I'm not a troll. I'm a dedicated die hard fan like clippersfan86 but hate the other teams with passion

Only thing worse than a troll is a homer.

Cf is gone. Another takes his place

[LemonMan]

I'm not a troll. I'm a dedicated die hard fan like clippersfan86 but hate the other teams with passion
:hammerhead: :rant :banghead:

[Whoah10115]

For every unwritten fact, there is someone actually smart enough to speak his mind and tell it how it really is, not what the consensus is. In the league, nobody thinks Turiaf or Barnes are proficient NBA starters or even bench players. Jesus. And everyone smart knows Odom is a fraction of what he once was. But in the LA Clipper land, these facts don't matter. They still have a deep bench just because they have Crawford, Odom. Whooppeee Dooo. This is a deep NBA league and those 2 are NOTHING.


Please freestyle more and "discuss" less...you're very stupid.



I ain't madatcha tho.

[Whoah10115]

If this was a game of who had the lead the longest Utah woulda won.



I should have read this before making my previous post.

[devin112]

but only crawford scores

He's part of the bench. lol

I know you're trolling but this is too obvious, no one think's ur serious. Try something else, keep the Clippers theme tho I enjoy that.

[TheCalmInsanity]

He's part of the bench. lol

I know you're trolling but this is too obvious, no one think's ur serious. Try something else, keep the Clippers theme tho I enjoy that.

Hahaha. I've already wasted my time picking apart all of his "arguments" if you can even call them that. He uses no logic whatsoever, doesn't make sense, and completely contradicts himself.

I'm pretty sure guys like him and "The Nets" and other idiotic trolls just post to get the people that post here to have something to talk about. It might be a conspiracy but I'm pretty sure most of them are just gimmicks that are stubborn and stupid for no reason whatsoever, just so that they can get the community here posting.

[devin112]

Hahaha. I've already wasted my time picking apart all of his "arguments" if you can even call them that. He uses no logic whatsoever, doesn't make sense, and completely contradicts himself.

I'm pretty sure guys like him and "The Nets" and other idiotic trolls just post to get the people that post here to have something to talk about. It might be a conspiracy but I'm pretty sure most of them are just gimmicks that are stubborn and stupid for no reason whatsoever, just so that they can get the community here posting.


I think they're bots, troll bots to keep us posting! lol They need to upgrade the AI if you know what i mean. lol

[TheCalmInsanity]

I think they're bots, troll bots to keep us posting! lol They need to upgrade the AI if you know what i mean. lol

LOL!! :cheers:

[SpecialQue]

This reminds me of when The Fellowship of the Ring came out. Some hardcore LOTR fan hated the movie before seeing it and created a website (sadly no longer around) predicting that it would bomb at the box office. So it comes out, makes an assload of money, and this idiot keeps posting how the amount of money it was making was below studio expectations, and using this to support his argument that the film was tanking and that nobody really liked it, and that those who did were just being tricked by the hype. If someone really wants to believe something, facts aren't going to sway them.

[Derka]

Please stop using the internet.