Did anyone expect Kobe to dominate like this in his 17th season?

[D.J.]

30.1 PPG(leads league)
5.3 RPG
4.9 APG
1.5 SPG


But, just to look a bit deeper into his numbers. He's averaging 30 PPG on just 21.5 FGA and is also getting to the line 8.6 times a game(most since '08). He's also putting up 30/5/5 on 48/37/85. The numbers are impressive, but he's doing it on some of his best shooting percentages as well. Not to mention getting to the foul line the most he has in years.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Hes nowhere close to dominating anyone. 35 year old washed-up ex-superstar.

[BallsOut]

30.1 PPG(leads league)
5.3 RPG
4.9 APG
1.5 SPG


But, just to look a bit deeper into his numbers. He's averaging 30 PPG on just 21.5 FGA and is also getting to the line 8.6 times a game(most since '08). He's also putting up 30/5/5 on 48/37/85. The numbers are impressive, but he's doing it on some of his best shooting percentages as well. Not to mention getting to the foul line the most he has in years.

LongetiviBe
HitachiBe

:bowdown:

[tpols]

Eh he's just chucking. Anyone in the whole league would put up 30/5/5 given his opportunities.

[bdreason]

Kobe is playing amazing for his 17th season. "Domination" doesn't lead your team to a losing record though.

[Papaya Petee]

LosingRecordBE

[Magic 32]

15-15 is a losing record.

[chazzy]

Not even the most optimistic Kobe fans expected this

[PyrrhusX]

Dominating at 15-15 lmao.

[asdf1990]

kobe bryant only player to dominate and have a 500 record.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Was Kareem not dominating when his team was missing the playoffs and when he was winning MVP on a 40 win team?

[Deuce Bigalow]

kobe bryant only player to dominate and have a 500 record.
I thought teams are part of winning? Isn't that what you guys always say? Winning is a team accomishment? If the Lakers win the championship you will be the first person saying it was because of the team, not Kobe.

[pauk]

17th season doesnt matter in his case, he came in at 18... He is 34, its not really old, if you stayed healthy and have work ethic (as we all know Kobe does) that wont bottleneck you much at that specific age.... But dominating, im not sure.. My point is, yes i did expect him to play the way he does and with decreasing fashion with the years to come i do expect him to continue to do so until he retires, especially when considering Kobes mindset (you know he will be taking ALOT of shots no matter what, they day he has to come of the bench and/or not be allowed to shoot ALOT of shots is the day he will be considering retirement)....

[lakerspng]

the ridiculous excuses to try and make it not seem special, are almost too funny. Give me a break. Kobe's playing as well as anyone in the league, including LeBron, Durant and Melo. The Lakers as a team will round into form by the end of the year and have one of the better records in the league... what excuses are you going to use then? It's all because of Nash? Or Gasol? you people are lame. He's amazing, just accept it and appreciate it.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe Bryant had 3 rings under his belt at the same age Jordan finally led his team to its first winning season. :confusedshrug:

[upside24]

I expected 26 at 45% or so. Kobe truly is an amazing player.

17 years in and he can still score with the best of them.

[PJR]

Bryant's longevity is impressive. You can't deny it. He's a gym rat, and it's paid off.

[pauk]

Kobe Bryant had 3 rings under his belt at the same age Jordan finally led his team to its first winning season. :confusedshrug:

What does that have anything to do with the topic of this thread?

But anyways.... im sure you are aware of the supporting cast difference between 80s Bulls and 99-02 Lakers and that Kobe came in at 18 and didnt really "lead" his team during those 3 championship runs the way Jordan did, Kobe led his team that way only in 2008 & 2009 (where Kobe was 30 & 31)...

[RRR3]

the ridiculous excuses to try and make it not seem special, are almost too funny. Give me a break. Kobe's playing as well as anyone in the league, including LeBron, Durant and Melo. The Lakers as a team will round into form by the end of the year and have one of the better records in the league... what excuses are you going to use then? It's all because of Nash? Or Gasol? you people are lame. He's amazing, just accept it and appreciate it.
:facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

I expected him to decline even further after a rough overall season in 2011-2012, but I'm glad he's proven me wrong.

Staying in top shape for years and working out with the best players in the NBA during the Olympics has really payed dividends this season for Bryant. I do wonder if he decides not to call it a career after next season that he can keep this dominance from 3-4 year stretch... maybe that's a reach, but who knows ?

That being said, I do want him to step up more on defense. With Nash's returns, he should be able cut down on his turnovers as well.

[Young X]

If Kobe isn't dominating now, then he wasn't dominating when he led the Lakers to 65 wins and 3 straight Finals appearences.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

What does that have anything to do with the topic of this thread?

But anyways.... im sure you are aware of the supporting cast difference between 80s Bulls and 99-02 Lakers and that Kobe came in at 18 and didnt really "lead" his team during those 3 championship runs the way Jordan did, Kobe led his team that way only in 2008 & 2009 (where Kobe was 30 & 31)...

And I'm sure you are aware that Lebron has never led his team to a title the way Kobe did twice in his thirties. Must be nice to have the best #2 in the league AND another all star bigmen to go with it.:confusedshrug:

[tpols]

:facepalm
Why would you highlight lebron and durant and not Melo? Melos been playing just as good as those guys this year.

[Phenith]

I thought teams are part of winning? Isn't that what you guys always say? Winning is a team accomishment? If the Lakers win the championship you will be the first person saying it was because of the team, not Kobe.

This is the main criticism... when you look at the thread title, you have to laugh a little because the team has struggled with him as the primary ball handler and has excelled when Nash has been the primary ball handler which is very contradictory of the word dominate when it comes to a team sport. It's true that Kobe is having a great statistical season, but the only thing he is truly dominating is his stat line.

[Phenith]

Why would you highlight lebron and durant and not Melo? Melos been playing just as good as those guys this year.

I don't see it, the only stat on his line that is a career best is his 3pt%. All the buzz around Melo is because the Knicks are doing so well missing some key players, and he deserves a lot of props for that, I would definitely put him ahead of Kobe for MVP with that in mind. But... LBJ and KD are both having better statistical years and their teams are doing as well or better so it's easy to look past Melo when you start talking MVP and "Best Player".

[fiddy]

Hes nowhere close to dominating anyone. 35 year old washed-up ex-superstar.

Future neg

[LikeABosh]

Kobe Bryant had 3 rings under his belt at the same age Jordan finally led his team to its first winning season. :confusedshrug:
Maybe it's because he came into the league out of highschool and rode ****ing Shaq

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Maybe it's because he came into the league out of highschool and rode ****ing Shaq

So was Michael Jordan "dominant" prior to the age of 24 or not? Keep in mind the relevant Bulls record was 108-128.

[RRR3]

Why would you highlight lebron and durant and not Melo? Melos been playing just as good as those guys this year.
Because Kobe is better than Melo :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Was Jordan "dominant" in the playoffs when he "led" his team to a 24-29 record from the ages of 21 to 27? :confusedshrug:

[SCdac]

:roll:

1. Kobe - 646 FGA
2. Westbrook - 516 FGA
3. Lebron - 500 FGA
4. Durant - 498 FGA
5. Melo - 497 FGA

Keep shooting Kobe, we know that's all you care about and have ever cared about.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Future neg
future neg

[tpols]

:roll:

1. Kobe - 646 FGA
2. Westbrook - 516 FGA
3. Lebron - 500 FGA
4. Durant - 498 FGA
5. Melo - 497 FGA

Keep shooting Kobe, we know that's all you care about and have ever cared about.
Tim Duncan 17.8 ppg on 14 shots per game
Kobe Bryant 30+ppg on 21.5 shots per game

Kobe with the higher efficiency as a guard with extra volume.

[Sakkreth]

Cancer.

[Funnyfuka]

he sure responds well to HGH and steroids.

[oh the horror]

im sorry but anyone not claiming this isnt incredible numbers for the mileage on his body is just ridiculous.



the hatred and pure trolling on this website are seriously pushing rational good natured posters out of the board, and its sad.

[bdreason]

Was Jordan "dominant" in the playoffs when he "led" his team to a 24-29 record from the ages of 21 to 27? :confusedshrug:


Are you comparing the Bulls pre-1990 roster to the current Lakers roster? :confusedshrug:

[LA_Showtime]

No, the numbers he's putting up are crazy. What's even crazier is how he's moving on the court. He looks more fluid than he has in years.

He may not be as dominant as he was in '08, but he's still the best shooting guard in the league. The fact Kobe has outlasted T-Mac, Iverson, Carter, Wade, etc. is a testament to the work he puts in every year.

[Sawbucks23]

30.1 PPG(leads league)
5.3 RPG
4.9 APG
1.5 SPG


But, just to look a bit deeper into his numbers. He's averaging 30 PPG on just 21.5 FGA and is also getting to the line 8.6 times a game(most since '08). He's also putting up 30/5/5 on 48/37/85. The numbers are impressive, but he's doing it on some of his best shooting percentages as well. Not to mention getting to the foul line the most he has in years.

When he first came in the league, I thought he would be done around the age of 32 or 33, but at 34 he is still going strong. Hate him or not, that is impressive to still be able to play at the NBA level at this age and after so many NBA season. :bowdown:

[longtime lurker]

im sorry but anyone not claiming this isnt incredible numbers for the mileage on his body is just ridiculous.



the hatred and pure trolling on this website are seriously pushing rational good natured posters out of the board, and its sad.

This. The posters on this board are laughably pathetic with their agendas. As if a player isn't dominant because of team record. You can tell which posters are irrational haters because 100% when the Lakers turn it around they will give all the credit to Kobe's teammates. That's just how it goes around here, can't even give credit where credit is due.

[KOBE143]

Its not suprising since he always dominate since 2000.. It just norm to him..

And also he's a top 3-5 player all time, it should be expected duh..

[MaxFly]

17th season doesnt matter in his case, he came in at 18... He is 34, its not really old, if you stayed healthy and have work ethic (as we all know Kobe does) that wont bottleneck you much at that specific age.... But dominating, im not sure.. My point is, yes i did expect him to play the way he does and with decreasing fashion with the years to come i do expect him to continue to do so until he retires, especially when considering Kobes mindset (you know he will be taking ALOT of shots no matter what, they day he has to come of the bench and/or not be allowed to shoot ALOT of shots is the day he will be considering retirement)....

Pauk, I just want to make sure I understand this and get your assertion on record so that there isn't any confusion. Are you saying that you have never predicted that Bryant would decline in output and efficiency by this point in his career? Are you saying that his current play at 34 years old, 17 seasons in is what you have always (within reason) expected of him?

[JerryWest]

future neg
future neg

[tpols]

Pauk, I just want to make sure I understand this and get your assertion on record so that there isn't any confusion. Are you saying that you have never predicted that Bryant would decline in output and efficiency by this point in his career? Are you saying that his current play at 34 years old, 17 seasons in is what you have always (within reason) expected of him?
It's 1000x easier to say you expected something after it already happened.

People knew about kobes work ethic since like.. 09. Definitely by 10 it was well known how much he puts in. And then when he fluttered out at 25 ppg on low efficiency in 2011 people were writing him off.

NO ONE expected this.. Anyone who acts non chalant about it or like they knew it would happen are lying or hating

[Kiddlovesnets]

future neg

future neg

[JerryWest]

future neg
future repped

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Are you comparing the Bulls pre-1990 roster to the current Lakers roster? :confusedshrug:

I'm gauging to see if team record correlates to "dominance" for everyone....

[SacJB Shady]

Kobe is playing with 3 hofamers and they are .500. Is that dominating?

[White Mamba]

Kobe is playing with 3 hofamers and they are .500. Is that dominating?

Nash missed 24 games out of 30.

Pau missed 8 games.

D12 started the season far from 100% and he is still not the D12 WE ALL KNOW HE CAN BE.

15-15? 6-1 in last 7 games? 3-1 since nash came back? 34.3 ppg in December?

yes, U MAD.

[LakersForlife]

ofc. i mean come best player in the league for many seasons, a player that comes out once in 30 years.

[Floppy]

Why the 17th season? Why not at age 34?

Does anyone really believe that he has more mileage on his legs cause he entered the NBA at age 19?

If anything it's probably less mileage. I played 7-10h a day in my youth.

No pro comes anywhere close to that.

[kennethgriffin]

Why the 17th season? Why not at age 34?

Does anyone really believe that he has more mileage on his legs cause he entered the NBA at age 19?

If anything it's probably less mileage. I played 7-10h a day in my youth.

No pro comes anywhere close to that.


see tmac, jermaine oneal, garnett... all since like 2010 were shells of what they once were

[Floppy]

see tmac, jermaine oneal, garnett... all since like 2010 were shells of what they once were
Aside from not being a valid argument none of this is even true.

[kennethgriffin]

Aside from not being a valid argument none of this is even true.


its highschoolers that dropped off from their primes sooner because of coming out of highschool


garnetts last great season was 2008 ( his 13th season, age 31 )

he was an mvp candidate. ever since then he's been lucky to average over 15ppg and hasnt averaged over 10rpg since

tmacs last great season was 2008 ( his 11th season, age 28 )

since then he hasnt been over 20ppg, only 1 season over 15ppg, and the rest under 10ppg

jermaines last great season was also 2008 ( his 12th season, age 29 )

since then he has been a shell of what he once was.


all these guys fell off. hit the wall. werent even in consideration of top 10 in the nba since


all while kobe who came in the league before 2 of them and 1 year after garnett has had 5 straight 1st team all nba seasons since then ( including this year, which he will obviously make it )

longevity is rare indeed. mileage is real

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why the 17th season? Why not at age 34?

Does anyone really believe that he has more mileage on his legs cause he entered the NBA at age 19?

If anything it's probably less mileage. I played 7-10h a day in my youth.

No pro comes anywhere close to that.

So you have a harder work ethic than Kobe Bryant?
:facepalm


Do you realize how much work it takes to even make an nba team? Let alone play 17 seasons?

[indiefan24]

future neg

triple neg

[chips93]

I thought teams are part of winning? Isn't that what you guys always say? Winning is a team accomishment? If the Lakers win the championship you will be the first person saying it was because of the team, not Kobe.

this

haters gon hate


If anything it's probably less mileage. I played 7-10h a day in my youth.

No pro comes anywhere close to that.


:roll:

[Rysio]

Why the 17th season? Why not at age 34?

Does anyone really believe that he has more mileage on his legs cause he entered the NBA at age 19?

If anything it's probably less mileage. I played 7-10h a day in my youth.

No pro comes anywhere close to that.
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[Kblaze8855]

I feel same as i did a year ago:




Kobe has never come out and not impressed when he comes off a letdown. I just didnt see the decline I think many did. I think its a case of automatically assuming the guy who lost is worse. And I dont mean in comparison to Dirk either.

But Kobe is as skilled as ever...or mroe so. His athletic decline isnt half what I see people imply. Per minute he was about as productive last year as in 03. His minutes dropped and he shot more while he was in but he strikes me as the type to take people counting him out personal.

Hes like 32 or 33. These days...that isnt as old as it used to be. Not for a guy like Kobe who takes such good care of himself.

I wouldnt want to have to guard Kobe in "Yall must have forgot..." mode.



So I'm not surprised he can still put up numbers. What season he's in is irrelevant. He isn't old for these days and he's shown few signs of just falling off.


That said I'm not sure it'd call a high ppg on a talented team that isn't very good yet being dominant. But that's a whole other discussion

[Money 23]

It's 1000x easier to say you expected something after it already happened.

People knew about kobes work ethic since like.. 09. Definitely by 10 it was well known how much he puts in. And then when he fluttered out at 25 ppg on low efficiency in 2011 people were writing him off.

NO ONE expected this.. Anyone who acts non chalant about it or like they knew it would happen are lying or hating
Dem off-season, sketchy, experimental and advanced plasma replacement knee surgeries.

:biggums:

If you know Kobe, you should've seen he had a tremendous work ethic by 2001 or 2003.

[Kiddlovesnets]

triple neg

quadruple neg

[winwin]

Pauk, I just want to make sure I understand this and get your assertion on record so that there isn't any confusion. Are you saying that you have never predicted that Bryant would decline in output and efficiency by this point in his career? Are you saying that his current play at 34 years old, 17 seasons in is what you have always (within reason) expected of him?
Pauk

answer .. the guy is waiting

[red1]

spent more than half of his life in the nba, nearly two decades later and he is still better than 99% of the league :applause:

[BallsOut]

spent more than half of his life in the nba, nearly two decades later and he is still better than 99% of the league :applause:

:applause: