"Rape Crew" in small town Ohio

[IGotACoolStory]

Yikes. Has this been posted yet?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/steubenville-high-football-rape-crew/60554/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W1oahqCzwcY

Too much to gather. Check the first link.

For a more comprehensive summary...
http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

[irondarts]

I remember this story when Deadspin reported about it nearly a month ago. How the whole thing sort of unfolded on Twitter when the two boys and others at the party started posting pictures of the passed out girl. A crazy and sad story.

[No_Look604]

white people:facepalm

[ILLsmak]

lol white dude is on steroids. Look @ his arms. He's 16.

-Smak

[rufuspaul]

At my high school just being on the football team meant you could pretty much fukc any slut from school on any given weekend. No need for a rape crew.

[CeltsGarlic]

white people:facepalm
get money dont spend it

[MetsPackers]

white people:facepalm

3/4 people in the picture including the girl are black :facepalm

[MetsPackers]

Damn I guess 4chan is really serious business, huh? :roll:

Just read that whole article and those guys are going hard. When they used to "take up causes" back in the day I feel like they didnt get shyt done but now, they blow up spots like the world trade

[blablabla]

Reading the article on local leaks, that is some seriously fvcked up shit


She didn't know she was raped until she saw it on instagram?
they gave her a date rape drug

[Just2McFly]

wtf is going on RBA?:lol

[TheSilentKiller]

Absolutely disgusting. Especially the fact that nearly the entire community is trying to help them cover it up :facepalm

[Thorpesaurous]

This is really almost unbelievable. If it weren't for the firm evidence on video, photos, and in the form of first hand tweets and the such, this would almost seem like a bad movie. With a whole town covering up some awfull secret, it's like Hostel but with rape.

I'd love some reinforcement on the connetions. The Sheriff's brother is the county's biggest drug importer? The Sheriff is also the biggest bookmaker in the town.
I was a bookmaker of some consequence in my day, and if the town is so destitute that the HS football team supplies most of it's income, I'm not sure how much bookmaking can be getting done. And the notion that they're booking on this HS's games is weird, because who the hell is gonna bet against them while still going to this much trouble to cover up their misdeeds, and the books can't be doing very well, because this team better be good. Who's covering up this much for a mediocre HS football team?

No one in those pictures looks like a particularly awe inspiring HS football player.

I did do a little following up, and apparently The Ohio State University expelled the one kid after his video surfaced.

[RedBlackAttack]

I've been waiting for this to be posted. Obviously, this is something I have intimate knowledge of and, having said that, I can tell you that the media blizzard and sensationalism currently underway is as stunning as it is irresponsible.

I'm currently at work, so I can't go too far into specifics, but suffice to say this whole blaming of the city and character assassinations of people who had absolutely no role in any of this is mind-blowing.

Even more astounding is the head in the sand mindset of the readers/responders to these baseless claims and universal condemnation of everyone and anyone, regardless of level of involvement. The national media has been painting a picture of some sort of city-wide cover-up without an iota of proof.

The trial starts next month. None of these people even know the details of what exactly happened that night. I agree that statements made by that kid at Ohio State were disgusting and I have no sympathy for him in his being outed. But, I know most of the coaching staff and some others who have been implicated in this thing and there is zero proof of any wrongdoing. Reno Saccoccia is one of the greatest people I have ever known... He is like a second father to me and he has always been one of the most morally sound individuals I have ever known. It really rips my heart out that he is being portrayed in such a vicious light. He doesn't deserve it, nor does the city deserve to be painted as an accomplice to the alleged crimes of a handful of idiot teenagers.

It is really interesting to bear witness to sensationalism first-hand. I can tell you, until you've witnessed it up-close and personal, you have no idea how insane it is.

[RedBlackAttack]

This is really almost unbelievable. If it weren't for the firm evidence on video, photos, and in the form of first hand tweets and the such, this would almost seem like a bad movie. With a whole town covering up some awfull secret, it's like Hostel but with rape.
^^^What evidence have you seen that a "whole town" is covering up an "awful secret," because I haven't seen any. This is exactly what I'm talking about.


I'd love some reinforcement on the connetions. The Sheriff's brother is the county's biggest drug importer? The Sheriff is also the biggest bookmaker in the town.
I was a bookmaker of some consequence in my day, and if the town is so destitute that the HS football team supplies most of it's income, I'm not sure how much bookmaking can be getting done. And the notion that they're booking on this HS's games is weird, because who the hell is gonna bet against them while still going to this much trouble to cover up their misdeeds, and the books can't be doing very well, because this team better be good. Who's covering up this much for a mediocre HS football team?

Not a single piece of truth in any of those accusations. I know Fred Abdalla and it is literally comical that he's being portrayed as some master criminal. I would laugh if there weren't real people whom I know with their entire life's reputation on the line. Unfortunately, there is nothing funny about that.



No one in those pictures looks like a particularly awe inspiring HS football player.

I did do a little following up, and apparently The Ohio State University expelled the one kid after his video surfaced.

Who are these "awe-inspiring" HS football players? The drunken buffoon in the video never played football in his life. The two guys arrested were sophomores and had never taken a single snap for Big Red and never will.

The amount of misinformation being served to the public is simply incredible.

[RedBlackAttack]

For a more comprehensive summary...
http://localleaks.blogs.ru/
Oh yes... More comprehensive. Or, as it is also known, completely manufactured content. For future reference, guys, never trust any a written piece that doesn't even supply the reader with a byline.

This appears to be just fun and games to a lot of people out there.

[Myth]

I didn't know it was possible for me to hate almost an entire town of people.

[red1]

Yikes. Has this been posted yet?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/steubenville-high-football-rape-crew/60554/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W1oahqCzwcY

Too much to gather. Check the first link.

For a more comprehensive summary...
http://localleaks.blogs.ru/
Damn that sucks for the girl. All of these kids slipped, being stupid enough to put this shit online is going to haunt them for a damn long time.

[RedBlackAttack]

I didn't know it was possible for me to hate almost an entire town of people.
And it shouldn't be. Unless you hate 99.9% of people with absolutely no involvement in any crime. Don't believe everything you read.

[-p.tiddy-]

only in Texas...

[TheSilentKiller]

And it shouldn't be. Unless you hate 99.9% of people with absolutely no involvement in any crime. Don't believe everything you read.
It definitely seems like some of the adults in the articles at least know what is going on and aren't doing jack shit. I agree with you that it could be a bit exaggerated, but no chance in hell they aren't keeping it this quiet without help.

[longhornfan1234]

She went alone to a house that was full of nikkas? :biggums:

She's asking to get a train ran on her.

[RedBlackAttack]

It definitely seems like some of the adults in the articles at least know what is going on and aren't doing jack shit. I agree with you that it could be a bit exaggerated, but no chance in hell they aren't keeping it this quiet without help.
Aren't keeping what quiet? If people are trying to keep something quiet, they have failed miserably (from the very start). Please be more specific. Which adults in these "articles" (I use quotations because that is an insult to my profession) appear to know more than they are saying?

[Just2McFly]

:applause: RBA doing work

Good posts

[TheSilentKiller]

Aren't keeping what quiet? If people are trying to keep something quiet, they have failed miserably (from the very start). Please be more specific. Which adults in these "articles" (I use quotations because that is an insult to my profession) appear to know more than they are saying?
Namely the sheriff and prosecuting attorney (Fred Abdalla and Jane Hanlin). The video with Abdalla where he gave several misinformed statements about the law and a couple instances with Hanlin are super sketchy.

[TheSilentKiller]

Aren't keeping what quiet? If people are trying to keep something quiet, they have failed miserably (from the very start). Please be more specific. Which adults in these "articles" (I use quotations because that is an insult to my profession) appear to know more than they are saying?
Yes, they are trying and are failing miserably.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yes, they are trying and are failing miserably.
Who is? Specifics. I can't respond to just general accusations. That has been the tactic of these reckless reports... Just make the accusations general enough that they don't require real evidence.

[TheSilentKiller]

Who is? Specifics. I can't respond to just general accusations.
See other post. Sheriff and prosecuting attorney Hanlin.

[TheSilentKiller]

But, I know most of the coaching staff and some others who have been implicated in this thing and there is zero proof of any wrongdoing. Reno Saccoccia is one of the greatest people I have ever known... He is like a second father to me and he has always been one of the most morally sound individuals I have ever known. It really rips my heart out that he is being portrayed in such a vicious light. He doesn't deserve it, nor does the city deserve to be painted as an accomplice to the alleged crimes of a handful of idiot teenagers.
I agree with you about the coach. All the article does is bash him without providing a lick of evidence against him. Very sloppy journalism and extremely unfair to him and his coaching staff.

[Jailblazers7]

only in Texas...

:oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

Namely the sheriff and prosecuting attorney (Fred Abdalla and Jane Hanlin). The video with Abdalla where he gave several misinformed statements about the law and a couple instances with Hanlin are super sketchy.

Hanlin did absolutely the correct thing. Her son attends the school and several of his friends were at this party where the alleged crimes took place. Therefore, she recused herself from situation and called in the state to take over. That was exactly the protocol which should have been followed.

I don't know exactly the statements you are referring to with Abdalla, so I can't respond directly to what you are accusing him of. However, I would never insinuate that Sheriff Fred is the sharpest tool in the shed, but it is a pretty massive leap to go from there to "he is involved in a massive, city-wide cover-up."

Especially since the kids were arrested immediately when the girl went to the cops. The big issue came because the girl waited three days between the alleged incident and her going to the police. Obviously, there is always going to be the chance of evidence lost when there is a 72-hour period between the incident and the reporting of it.

I have yet to see a single, coherent description of exactly what was covered up. The people prosecuting the case are not from the area and they haven't even insinuated that such a cover-up is even suspected. This is all through shady online bloggers with zero evidence.

[RedBlackAttack]

I agree with you about the coach. All the article does is bash him without providing a lick of evidence against him. Very sloppy journalism and extremely unfair to him and his coaching staff.
Not only him, but Jim Parks -- whom I also know -- is the guy who runs the Big Red fansite which was hacked by Anonymous. They accused him (as does that ridiculous "localleaks" article) of having child porn in his email and being somehow involved in the incident. They have accused him of paying the team to go places and rape girls just so he can be sent the pictures.

They've basically tried to ruin his life and there is zero evidence. They even released his email account to the public. There were no underage pictures and no proof of anything.

His only crime was that he owned a Big Red fan site, apparently. And, no one seems to care that this is going on to people who are completely uninvolved.

[Droid101]

Not only him, but Jim Parks -- whom I also know -- is the guy who runs the Big Red fansite which was hacked by Anonymous. They accused him (as does that ridiculous "localleaks" article) of having child porn in his email and being somehow involved in the incident. They have accused him of paying the team to go places and rape girls just so he can be sent the pictures.

They've basically tried to ruin his life and there is zero evidence. They even released his email account to the public. There were no underage pictures and no proof of anything.

His only crime was that he owned a Big Red fan site, apparently. And, no one seems to care that this is going on to people who are completely uninvolved.
They HAVE evidence. They hacked into his email account and saw the pictures that those kids were sending him.

You're the one with his head in the sand on that one.

[TheSilentKiller]

Hanlin did absolutely the correct thing. Her son attends the school and several of his friends were at this party where the alleged crimes took place. Therefore, she recused herself from situation and called in the state to take over. That was exactly the protocol which should have been followed.

I don't know exactly the statements you are referring to with Abdalla, so I can't respond directly to what you are accusing him of. However, I would never insinuate that Sheriff Fred is the sharpest tool in the shed, but it is a pretty massive leap to go from there to "he is involved in a massive, city-wide cover-up."

Especially since the kids were arrested immediately when the girl went to the cops. The big issue came because the girl waited three days between the alleged incident and her going to the police. Obviously, there is always going to be the chance of evidence lost when there is a 72-hour period between the incident and the reporting of it.

I have yet to see a single, coherent description of exactly what was covered up. The people prosecuting the case are not from the area and they haven't even insinuated that such a cover-up is even suspected. This is all through shady online bloggers with zero evidence.
Accusing is a harsh word. I don't know for certain, but based on the stuff I have read/seen, it seems like Sheriff Abdella isn't being completely truthful. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ks3bnbAd4II), he makes a couple of iffy statements (saying that being at a crime and not reporting it isn't a crime itself, says the case isn't in his jurisdiction when it actually can be).

Looking back on the stuff with Hanlin, I actually tend to agree with you. I didn't take the time to really read into what the people were reporting and I took their words for fact. they really don't have any evidence on anything. So *sheepishly*, I take back what I said. At least at this point, it isn't fair to judge anything until more refutable evidence comes out.

[RedBlackAttack]

They HAVE evidence. They hacked into his email account and saw the pictures that those kids were sending him.

You're the one with his head in the sand on that one.
Completely false. The email account has already been published. The kids sent him no pictures. He received pictures from a girl who was clearly over the age of consent.... And she sent him the pictures, not some high school kid.

There is no question, at this point, that he was wrongfully implicated. In fact, the girl whose picture they pointed to as the "victim" from Louisville, Ohio, I actually know. She graduated from Big Red in the late-90s.

It is fascinating to me that people are just going to blindly believe this stuff. They said it... Must be true.

[Droid101]

Completely false. The email account has already been published. The kids sent him no pictures. He received pictures from a girl who was clearly over the age of consent.... And she sent him the pictures, not some high school kid.

There is no question, at this point, that he was wrongfully implicated. In fact, the girl whose picture they pointed to as the "victim" from Louisville, Ohio, I actually know. She graduated from Big Red in the late-90s.

It is fascinating to me that people are just going to blindly believe this stuff. They said it... Must be true.
You're the last person we can trust on this, really. The football culture invades everyone in small towns like that and leads them to defend stupid things and cover up worse ones.

See: Penn State.

Regarding Jim Parks:


At least one of the images discovered in James Parks E-Mail bore a striking resemblance to another rape victim Savannah Dietrich whose attack occurred in Louisville, Kentucky under similar circumstances as Steubenville.

[Myth]

And it shouldn't be. Unless you hate 99.9% of people with absolutely no involvement in any crime. Don't believe everything you read.

Where are the people in the town defending the victim? :confusedshrug:

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to the media to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.

[Droid101]

Where are the people in the town defending the victim? :confusedshrug:

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.
Bingo.

[9erempiree]

Where are the people in the town defending the victim? :confusedshrug:

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.

Basically this.

All Red and Attack did was defend the football program and city but has yet to feel remorse for the victim in this thread.

This is Penn State all over again and we need to get the Feds on this.

[Thorpesaurous]

^^^What evidence have you seen that a "whole town" is covering up an "awful secret," because I haven't seen any. This is exactly what I'm talking about.



Not a single piece of truth in any of those accusations. I know Fred Abdalla and it is literally comical that he's being portrayed as some master criminal. I would laugh if there weren't real people whom I know with their entire life's reputation on the line. Unfortunately, there is nothing funny about that.




Who are these "awe-inspiring" HS football players? The drunken buffoon in the video never played football in his life. The two guys arrested were sophomores and had never taken a single snap for Big Red and never will.

The amount of misinformation being served to the public is simply incredible.


I'm basing everything on that locallinks blogpost up in the original post. I hadn't heard anything about that to this point. I don't have audio at work, so I'm only posting on what I read.

And we sort of agree. I frankly can't believe the story being told in that blog. Like I said, it would seem like an almost comically large movie type coverup, like in Hostel. The only solid info in that story is the stuff that seems concrete, like the tweets, photos, and videos.

The accusations in that article about the sheriff are crazy. They allege that his brother is a massive drug importer to the region, and that he's a major bookmaker, but never provide any evidence. That's why I said I would like to see more connections with some of these people. The author is telling a story with this data thrown in and no evidence.

From the video shown, and the tweets, it's clear something bad happened that night. And simply from the video of the Ohio State kid, I have no problem with him being expelled from school based solely on that.

[9erempiree]

Let's hope the Sheriff is fired for not doing his job correctly.

Can't really do anything to the Coach Reno unless he knew about it and did nothing. Like Paterno.

Sad when some members of the team are the Rape Crew.

[RedBlackAttack]

You're the last person we can trust on this, really. The football culture invades everyone in small towns like that and leads them to defend stupid things and cover up worse ones.

See: Penn State.

Regarding Jim Parks:
:roll:

So, you are just going to believe it? That's it. He's involved in a meticulous teenage raping ring and the evidence is a picture of a girl who looks very little like a girl in a town nowhere close to Steubenville who was apparently raped?

This is exactly the mindset I'm talking about. Go download his emails and I defy you to find anything remotely relating to any kind of rape ring in any of them. Or, you could just believe it because some anonymous person on the Internet said so.

It is absurd.


Where are the people in the town defending the victim? :confusedshrug:

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to the media to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.

The outrage immediately following the alleged incident (which happened six months ago) was palpable in the city. Much of the community -- myself included -- had nothing but condemnation about what was alleged and expressed a massive amount of sympathy for the girl.

My feelings haven't changed about the girl and the kids involved. What has changed is the narrative being exploited by the media. It is hard not to get defensive when people are essentially accusing you of being an accomplice to a rape.

This case is no longer strictly about the incident. It has become a hit-piece on an entire city, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything involving any of this stuff.

[9erempiree]

I'm just going to reserve judgement. Anonymous is a bunch of hackers, I think they are using this rape incident, as a way to try to take down an entire city.

That would be the "ultimate hack".

As for the Sheriff and Coach, there's no evidence that they are covering up. Basically a hacker said so. The hacker did right by retrieving those videos and tweets but he is using those hacked evidence as his credibility.

You can't really believe what he says just because he retrieved the evidence.

It's like returning a purse but keeping a credit card.

[heyhey]

RBA playing right to every stereotype/narrative about small town enablers right now.

no one fabricated those tweets.

[Myth]

The outrage immediately following the alleged incident (which happened six months ago) was palpable in the city. Much of the community -- myself included -- had nothing but condemnation about what was alleged and expressed a massive amount of sympathy for the girl.

My feelings haven't changed about the girl and the kids involved. What has changed is the narrative being exploited by the media. It is hard not to get defensive when people are essentially accusing you of being an accomplice to a rape.

This case is no longer strictly about the incident. It has become a hit-piece on an entire city, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything involving any of this stuff.

That makes sense. When I was stating that I disliked the people of the town, I wasn't accusing them of being accomplices. It was more the lack of support for the victim that I was hearing. I'd still like to see more of a voice of outrage on the part of supporters for the victim in the town in the media. I'm aware the media can manipulate that stuff, but with enough of a push, their voices can be heard, which would also bring more integrity to the town that feels their names are being dragged through the mud.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA playing right to every stereotype/narrative about small town enablers right now.

no one fabricated those tweets.
The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football. This goes way beyond some kids playing a game on Friday night.

[9erempiree]

The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football.

You should reserve judgement as well before you defend those people. We all just have to wait and see if that high school is like Penn State.

[RedBlackAttack]

That makes sense. When I was stating that I disliked the people of the town, I wasn't accusing them of being accomplices. It was more the lack of support for the victim that I was hearing. I'd still like to see more of a voice of outrage on the part of supporters for the victim in the town in the media. I'm aware the media can manipulate that stuff, but with enough of a push, their voices can be heard, which would also bring more integrity to the town that feels their names are being dragged through the mud.
The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.

[Myth]

The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.

Well, that is certainly good to hear.

[9erempiree]

In a small community like that, somebody usually knows what everyone is up to. Who supplied the kids with drugs? Small community like that, they should be able to know who brings drugs into that town.

We don't know what's going to happen. It may open up a new can of worms. More things may come out about that community.:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

You should reserve judgement as well before you defend those people. We all just have to wait and see if that high school is like Penn State.
I'm not defending any of the people with involvement in this thing. The coach, the sheriff... They aren't on trial. They haven't been formally charged with anything, because there is no evidence they did anything wrong.

I do agree that everyone should reserve judgement until the trial. Unfortunately, that cat is kind of out of the bag, at this point.

[Droid101]

The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.
How many of the aggressors have been booted from the High School? How much public shaming do they receive on a daily basis?

Or are they still just the High School Football (or Baseball) heroes?

[RedBlackAttack]

In a small community like that, somebody usually knows what everyone is up to. Who supplied the kids with drugs? Small community like that, they should be able to know who brings drugs into that town.

We don't know what's going to happen. It may open up a new can of worms. More things may come out about that community.:facepalm
There are no accusations of drugs being involved, as far as I know. There was allegedly alcohol at the party. Haven't heard anything beyond that.

And, Steubenville has big-city issues. Drugs have been rampant for decades. It would probably be easier for kids to get than alcohol, to be completely honest.

[9erempiree]

One more thing I got to say for those passing judgement on the town........

Why the fcuk are you guys believing a story from a hacker?

They did right by getting evidence but that doesn't mean they are credible sources. They are hackers after all.

Hackers.

[RedBlackAttack]

How many of the aggressors have been booted from the High School? How much public shaming do they receive on a daily basis?

Or are they still just the High School Football (or Baseball) heroes?
The public shaming is in progress. I think five kids have been suspended from school.

None are currently involved in any sport.

[9erempiree]

The public shaming is in progress. I think five kids have been suspended from school.

None are currently involved in any sport.

Too bad Coach Reno was dragged into this. He seems like a man of integrity.

[heyhey]

The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football. This goes way beyond some kids playing a game on Friday night.

It just seems wrong at face value to me that the two kids who did most of the tweeting are still walking free especially if it's true that one of them was the girl's ex and had an axe to grind. Assuming these facts are correct and about them being from well connected families too, then something seems plainly off to me. maybe it's my own suspicious disposition but with all this public scrutiny now, I will reserve judgement and went for the facts to come out.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm at work, guys... I'll be able to talk more later.

[9erempiree]

I don't know who to believe. I did my own investigation and the names that were mentioned on that "leak" site were indeed football players. RedandBlack said 5 were arrested and were not athletes.

Here is the school's 2012 roster. If you do a search with the names you will see a majority of the alleged rapist, are on the team.

http://www.rollredroll.com/BigRed2k10.htm

[iamgine]

Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.

[Droid101]

Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.
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[quote]After being convinced, with some amount of coaxing

[RedBlackAttack]

Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.
It was a real rape and, hopefully, if these allegations end up being accurate, the kids are punished to the fullest extent of the law. "Fingers" constitute real rape, which is what the prosecution is alleging. It doesn't have to be full-on penetration.

The above article is basically a fantasy, which is really creepy.

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't know who to believe. I did my own investigation and the names that were mentioned on that "leak" site were indeed football players. RedandBlack said 5 were arrested and were not athletes.

Here is the school's 2012 roster. If you do a search with the names you will see a majority of the alleged rapist, are on the team.

http://www.rollredroll.com/BigRed2k10.htm
That roster is from the beginning of the season. No alleged rapists played a down for the team. In fact, only two teenagers are being accused of partaking in the rape. Those are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, who have been in custody since mid-August.

Others are being implicated for either being at the party and not stopping it or tweeting about it on the Internet.

[Godzuki]

these guys are screwed. especially that idiot on camera thinking he was funny....

i'm just not sure how this football team makes so much money for that town :wtf:

[boozehound]

It was a real rape and, hopefully, if these allegations end up being accurate, the kids are punished to the fullest extent of the law. "Fingers" constitute real rape, which is what the prosecution is alleging. It doesn't have to be full-on penetration.

The above article is basically a fantasy, which is really creepy.
I can understand your defensive tone, but it really doesnt help the situation. If the above story is fantasy (i.e. wholly fabricated), then how does a video of it exist? I am not saying the extreme conspiracy is accurate (though it fairly believable that a football town would be willing to cover some shit up), but there does seem to be more to it than just the basic charges that have been filed so far. It will be interesting to see what all the hacked evidence really adds up to.

So, in summary, both you and the conspiracy defenders arent doing anyone any favors from your already made up POVs.

[9erempiree]

NY Times reporting that coach Reno knows about it and have said the other players who were taking pictures were "at the wrong place at the wrong time."

It seems the coach knew the kids were there and present but since they didn't do anything to the victim, they were still allowed on the team.

[9erempiree]

Don't read the other links....here's one more credible....the New York Times.

It's very chilling and we may have another Sandusky trial. I'm not saying this has been happening for years but the kids got caught through social media.

They didn't have social media back in the days and if the feds get involved....there may be more victims coming out.

Here's the link from NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[9erempiree]

This season, the coach, who is used to winning, had to do without Mays and Richmond. But others who were at the parties and might have witnessed the suspected assault continued to play on the team. Saccoccia, a 63-year-old who brims with bravado, was the sole person in charge of determining whether any players would be punished.


Saccoccia, pronounced SOCK-otch, told the principal and school superintendent that the players who posted online photographs and comments about the girl the night of the parties said they did not think they had done anything wrong. Because of that, he said, he had no basis for benching those players.

The kids watched but did not partake, so coach didn't think they did anything wrong. Sounds like Penn State. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, just bringing up what the NY Times are saying. The kids were later suspended 8 games into the season.

In summary the two "alleged rapist" were suspended from the team. The other two (witness), as mentioned above, stayed on the and was suspended after they were 8 games into the season. Why the coach even kept the witnesses on the team is weird. They didn't do anything to stop it.

[QUOTE] Neither Mays nor Richmond had a record, the police said, and each had numerous community members testify as character witnesses for them at the hearing in which the judge determined they should be tried as juveniles, not as adults.

Saccoccia was one of those witnesses, as was Michael Haney, the school

[Droid101]

Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen!


Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not “do the Internet,” so he had not seen the comments and photographs posted online from that night. When asked again about the players involved and why he chose not to discipline them, he became agitated.

“You made me mad now,” he said, throwing in several expletives as he walked from the high school to his car.

Nearly nose to nose with a reporter, he growled: “You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”

[fpliii]

The kids watched but did not partake, so coach didn't think they did anything wrong. Sounds like Penn State. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, just bringing up what the NY Times are saying. The kids were later suspended 8 games into the season.

In summary the two "alleged rapist" were suspended from the team. The other two (witness), as mentioned above, stayed on the and was suspended after they were 8 games into the season. Why the coach even kept the witnesses on the team is weird. They didn't do anything to stop it.



Looks like the coach is going to be a character witness. I don't know how this works. I don't know why the coach would say they are good kids when there is video and photo evidence.

He could be a character witness, as in, how the kids' character were before this incident.

Just read the NYT report; this is some chilling stuff. The bolded in particular is alarming.

[Droid101]

Looks like RedBlackAttack was incorrect after all. It's true that two of them were suspended from playing, but not until 8 games into the season (out of 10 games). Whoopty doo!

[TylerOO]

Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen!

Yea a true role model!

[9erempiree]

Here's some tweets from the Rape Crew and the parents of one of the boys:

http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ScreenHunter_172-Dec.-02-11.10.jpg





The most shocking thing is these kids were caught on social media and you would think the parents would learn from this. Here is the parent's making their own mistake on social media as well.:facepalm

http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/birden1fb.jpg
http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/birdenfb2.jpg






Father's FB

http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RICHMONDS-DADDY-FB.jpg

[Droid101]

I hope Michael Nodianos has to try to sleep through a wang in the butthole when he gets to prison.

[Droid101]

http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RICHMONDS-DADDY-FB.jpg
They probably just need to reboot and try again.

http://www.emailandapps.co.uk/images/Lync.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen!
I'm not sure what the definition of a model citizen is, but I would certainly say that he is a great person having known the man for all of my 33 years.

I don't know exactly what happened with the New York Times reporter, but I've heard that he was being absolutely hounded for days by these people and repeatedly gave a no comment. He was walking to his car and two reporters approached him and an argument ensued, with several people -- including the reporters -- involved.

Regardless, he isn't being baselessly accused of saying a mean thing to a reporter. I will ask again -- How is an argument with a reporter proof of involvement in a rape case?

At least you've gone beyond the localleaks nonsense, though, and have started to read articles with standards, bylines, etc. I just don't think a person's entire life and 40 years of service to a community should be wiped away because of a quote in a newspaper. Then again, I actually know the man.


Looks like RedBlackAttack was incorrect after all. It's true that two of them were suspended from playing, but not until 8 games into the season (out of 10 games). Whoopty doo!

When did I say more than two (or any) were suspended from playing football? I said, when it came to light that these guys had admitted to being at the party (they had previously denied it), they were suspended from school (and obviously extracurricular activities).


The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.

[Droid101]

The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.
That's all we wanted to hear.

[tpols]

***** ass fvcking kids.. Should go right to the pen. See how big they feel there.

[CarlosBoozer]

don't worry guys, when they get in jail i paid a couple of inmates to do my bidding.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/7da0fd8424e3186cc223783d16db5da0/tumblr_mg0izoOixg1rrr2r7o1_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/40b4493cf7f3c2c141fb4213a67392fd/tumblr_mg0k0q9t761rrr2r7o1_250.gif

[RedBlackAttack]

That's all we wanted to hear.
When did I say or even insinuate otherwise? My gripe comes from the unfounded claims by hackers and nameless bloggers that other people were involved when there was never a shred of proof behind it and an entire city of people being colored with the same brush unjustly.

I've always been very clear that I have no sympathy for those involved, either directly or indirectly.

[MetsPackers]

That roster is from the beginning of the season. No alleged rapists played a down for the team. In fact, only two teenagers are being accused of partaking in the rape. Those are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, who have been in custody since mid-August.

Others are being implicated for either being at the party and not stopping it or tweeting about it on the Internet.

Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/steubenville-football.jpg?w=620&h=407


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season :confusedshrug: How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily

[RedBlackAttack]

Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/steubenville-football.jpg?w=620&h=407


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season :confusedshrug: How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily
You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.

[KevinNYC]

Wow. What a thread. Haven't been following this story at all.


Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.
Holy ****ing Cow! Real rape! You should be ashamed of yourself.

Guess what? Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.

[MetsPackers]

You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.

Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?

I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town :hammerhead:

[RedBlackAttack]

Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.
Prosecution is not alleging a date rape drug was used. I've not seen that even noted as a possibility by any credible source.

Completely agree that fingers constitute rape, though. That isn't even up for debate.

[RedBlackAttack]

Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?
...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/573262/Teens-Face-Rape-Charge--Two-Arre---.html

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?



I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town :hammerhead:
Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.

[KevinNYC]

You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)

However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.[QUOTE]Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not

[RedBlackAttack]

A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)
If we are going to judge this case based on the facts, the date rape drug thing is already dead. It isn't something being alleged by prosecution. It will be very interesting when the trial begins, because then we will have actual facts to cite instead of random rumors from the 'net. No one truly knows what happened that night, myself included, except those who were there.

I've said from the very start of this case that, if these allegations are proven, I am in complete support of punishment to the fullest extent of the law all of those involved.



However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.
I addressed this a few pages back...

I'm not sure exactly what happened with the reporter, but what I've heard (and it sounds plausible) is that he had been hounded for days and repeatedly told them no comment. Finally, he was walking to his car and he was approached by these two NYT reporters. An argument ensued and words were had between all parties.

I'm not defending the statements, but I'm also not going to throw out my 33 years of knowing the man and his entire life's work out the window based on an argument with a newspaper reporter. Again, this isn't a random person in a random news piece that I just happened to stumble upon and it is all I have to base opinions on. I've known this guy all my life.


Also it's just silly to pretend that these two were not associated with the football team because they were arrested before the season began. That's defense lawyer spin. They were expected to be stars on the football team (and I assume played some form of football freshman year.) It hurts your credibility to pretend otherwise. From the Times article.

First, I don't remember ever saying these guys were not associated with the football team. Did I say that? If so, please cite it. If that's what I said, it was inaccurate. I was correcting completely inaccurate statements being made by that guy in above postings.

Second, both defendants, from what I've heard, were very good athletes and expected to have a bright future on the football field. I also don't remember stating otherwise. I never saw either of them play, but I do know that to be the case.

I can't stress enough the level to which this has absolutely nothing to do with football for me, though. I honestly could not care less how any of this impacts a high school football. This goes way beyond games being played by teenagers.

Bringing any criminal acts to justice is absolutely foremost on my list of concerns. But, this case has gone far beyond any normal circumstances for a crime and potential punishment. A lot of people are being implicated without proof... There are a couple of those people, particularly Saccoccia, who I will continue to defend until the time where there is any evidence to justify the accusations. Anyone who knows the man would laugh at the idea of him being the mastermind of a criminal organization.

As of this date, there has been nothing other than rumor and innuendo. The trial starts next month and I'll be happy when it begins.

[MetsPackers]

...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/573262/Teens-Face-Rape-Charge--Two-Arre---.html

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?



Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.

LMAO so first they never played a down for the team, then they never played a down for the varsity team and had played the year before? :roll:

I think the fact that they had played football for the school the year before and were only not on the team this year because they were in jail constitutes them being football players, you dolt. I was initially just trolling cuz u mad but now you've really kind of exposed yourself here. These kids are clearly associated with the football team and played for it while you play directly into the stereotype the media portrays; biased small town people doing anything they can to distinguish this crime from their prized football team :roll:

News flash: The freshman football team is still part of the football team

Now you're the one twisting facts. As someone who played high school football I can tell you that if you played the year before, and were for some reason banned the next season, you are still considered "a football player". They clearly still associated with other team members as well. You typed your responses as if they had no ties to the football team at all when that is clearly not the case. Little white lies like that are the kind of thing that leads the media to believe there is a cover up

[MetsPackers]

Also, just because the prosecution isn't including some of the alleged facts in their argument does not mean they are not true; it simply means they can not prove them. Didn't the girl say that she thought she got slipped something? Since she reported it 3 days later they obviously would not be able to find the drug in her system depending of it's halflife, so they wouldn't even pursue it at all.

It's also this kind of stuff like "No it has been completely ruled out which is why it won't be included", which is just as sensational and assuming as the stuff you are condemning. I was just trolling at first but now I really see what people are saying, you're borderline delusional when it comes to reasonably assessing the facts of this case

[Budadiiii]

These kids are innocent.

[IamRAMBO24]

These kids are innocent.

Probably.

But they will be found guilty regardless: the prosecutor has too much ammunition on their side.

1. The girl was passed out.

2. The boy in the video admitted she was passed out.

3. Multiple boys slept with her which means the sex was not consensual.

Even though she was a slut and slept with the boys before, in this instance, there was no telling whether or not it was consensual.

Those boys are f*cked.

[RedBlackAttack]

LMAO so first they never played a down for the team, then they never played a down for the varsity team and had played the year before? :roll:
No. I said to you right from the start that they were sophomores who played on the freshman team the year prior. Hell, you were trying to argue that they played this past season. You've been all over the map. Frankly, it is hard to keep up with you.

I'm still confused as to what this has to do with anything. Really, who cares? They never played a down of football for the varsity, freshman, jayvee, 8th grade team, intramural squad, etc. after the allegations came to light, so why is it even of consequence?


I think the fact that they had played football for the school the year before and were only not on the team this year because they were in jail constitutes them being football players, you dolt.
Where did I say they weren't football players? Cite the post.


I was initially just trolling cuz u mad but now you've really kind of exposed yourself here. These kids are clearly associated with the football team and played for it while you play directly into the stereotype the media portrays; biased small town people doing anything they can to distinguish this crime from their prized football team :roll:
:roll:

I couldn't give two shits about the football team. I don't live in the city anymore and don't follow/attend/whatever high school football games. It is literally the last thing on my mind. The fact that you are so caught up with who played on what team and when shows that YOU are the one focusing on football, not me. They can banish football in the city for all I care.

I'm defending the coach, not because he is a football coach, but because he is a personal friend.


News flash: The freshman football team is still part of the football team
Honestly, who cares? What the hell difference does it make?


Now you're the one twisting facts. As someone who played high school football I can tell you that if you played the year before, and were for some reason banned the next season, you are still considered "a football player". They clearly still associated with other team members as well. You typed your responses as if they had no ties to the football team at all when that is clearly not the case. Little white lies like that are the kind of thing that leads the media to believe there is a cover up
Oh yeah... That makes complete sense.

Let's accuse people of a cover-up based on a completely benign conversation of what constitutes being a member of a team. :oldlol:

Newsflash: For anyone who has been following the case for more than 48 hours, it is widely known the situation with those who have been arrested and their extracurricular activities. Everyone knows they played football as freshmen. Everyone knows they were arrested prior to their sophomore seasons.

I guess I assumed you knew more about the case than you actually did. But, the idea you think I was trying to hide the fact that they were on the frosh team is literally comical. This information isn't exactly difficult to ascertain. What it has to do with a cover-up? That is anyone's guess.

[rufuspaul]

I find it rather amusing that RBA, one of the more liberal posters here (and I don't mean that as an insult) is accusing the media of being biased and distorting the facts to fit their own agenda.

[Stempel, HERB]

RBA always been one of the first people to call for internet justice. Now the gun is pointed at his people and he lost his cheerleader's spirit
Or, as it is also known, completely manufactured content.


At least you've gone beyond the localleaks nonsense,

Losers like phoenix always trying to latch onto the larger personalities off this board.

:applause: RBA doing work

Good posts

[KevinNYC]

Probably.

But they will be found guilty regardless: the prosecutor has too much ammunition on their side.

1. The girl was passed out.

2. The boy in the video admitted she was passed out.

3. Multiple boys slept with her which means the sex was not consensual.

Even though she was a slut and slept with the boys before, in this instance, there was no telling whether or not it was consensual.

Those boys are f*cked.

Your incoherence is staggering. Shorter Rambo24.

These boys are innocent. Here are three reasons they are guilty

[blablabla]

http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/birden1fb.jpg
http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/birdenfb2.jpg
i don't understand a word of that

[9erempiree]

The media is going to tear apart the town. The Sheriff and Coach should just step down if they love their community.

[Pushxx]

What astounds me are these ridiculous tweets and videos. I guess if you are capable of committing these awful acts you are capable of making it stupidly visible.

The actual rape itself is unfortunately not as shocking, as rape to more extreme degrees happens a lot more than it gets reported.

[9erempiree]

What astounds me are these ridiculous tweets and videos. I guess if you are capable of committing these awful acts you are capable of making it stupidly visible.

The actual rape itself is unfortunately not as shocking, as rape to more extreme degrees happens a lot more than it gets reported.

I agree.

Now, of course, I don't condone what happened but social media is destroying society when a bunch of kids have no remorse by posting it.

If there were no social media than we wouldn't have to see these disgusting acts.

[Pacers4ever]

I find it rather amusing that RBA, one of the more liberal posters here (and I don't mean that as an insult) is accusing the media of being biased and distorting the facts to fit their own agenda.
This but he's only human so he has many flaws

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I agree.

Now, of course, I don't condone what happened but social media is destroying society when a bunch of kids have no remorse by posting it.

If there were no social media than we wouldn't have to see these disgusting acts.

so we wouldnt have to see them but they would still be going on.. thats what you want?

[ace23]

Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.

[JerryWest]

Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.
:durantunimpressed:

[KevinNYC]

This trial is currently going on.


Teammates of two high school football players from Ohio accused of raping a girl at a party last summer testified on Friday they saw their classmates commit sex acts on the girl during the alcohol-fueled events that night.

A third witness, a friend of the defendants who was also granted immunity, said he saw both defendants making sexual contact with her while she appeared to be passed out, naked and face down on a basement floor.

"She wasn't moving. She wasn't talking. She wasn't participating," said Anthony Craig, 18.

Mark Cole, a teammate granted immunity for his testimony, said he recorded a video of Mays performing the act on the girl during a car ride between houses in Steubenville the night of the party, but deleted it the next morning.

"It was one of those moments when you realize you did something wrong or stupid," Cole said during testimony in which he also said he drank eight to 10 beers that night and his memory of the evening was foggy.

Evan Westlake, who also was granted immunity, testified he saw Richmond commit a sex act on the girl on the basement floor of a house the same night last August.

Mays and Richmond are accused of raping the girl when she was too drunk to move or speak. She told police she did not remember what happened, but reported the incident the next day after she heard details from friends. The boys have denied raping her and say any sex that happened was consensual.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/us/in-ohio-rape-trial-testimony-on-a-girls-drinking.html?_r=0[QUOTE]A state forensics investigator, Joann Gibb, methodically quoted from text messages that she said came from the phone of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, 17, and from the phones of friends and classmates. The messages described the inebriated girl as

[InspiredLebowski]

Honestly, this county prosecutor has to be thanking her stars. Case with national coverage and it's probably the easiest one she'll ever litigate.

[RedBlackAttack]

This trial is currently going on.
And, as I said months ago, the rumors of widespread corruption and a conspiracy have been pretty much put to rest.

These quotes are from the Ohio State Attorney General, who has been investigating the alleged crime since August...

http://oi50.tinypic.com/15qot8l.jpg


NY Times:

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2urw5qx.jpg



As for the case itself, Jane Doe took the stand earlier today. She testified that she didn't want to press charges. Her father forced her to go to the police. However, I'd say it isn't looking too good for the defendants at this stage.

There are three eye-witnesses that say they digitally penetrated the girl while she was unconscious. However, the defense still has not begun their arguments. They will try to argue that, while drunk, the girl was not too incapacitated to consent and that the witnesses received immunity and thus were compelled to testify a certain way.

It is an interesting case, no doubt, but without the widespread corruption and conspiracy angle, it is really not an uncommon crime, unfortunately. That is what compelled this to be an interenational story in the first place. The Local Leaks article in the OP has been thoroughly and completely debunked.

[RedBlackAttack]

Closing arguments were just given. Verdicts will be issued at 10 a.m. EST tomorrow.

[InspiredLebowski]

Guilty (http://news.yahoo.com/2-ohio-teen-football-players-found-guilty-rape-141634407--spt.html). Unfortunately the most they can be sentenced to is a juvenile facility until they're 21.

[kNIOKAS]

so they actually were football players.

[Duderonomy]

Guilty (http://news.yahoo.com/2-ohio-teen-football-players-found-guilty-rape-141634407--spt.html). Unfortunately the most they can be sentenced to is a juvenile facility until they're 21.
I was half expecting a thread title "Kobe's Apprentices Found Guilty"

[ace23]

Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?

[RapsFan]

Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?

Follow more of the story.

[RedBlackAttack]

Is the actual rape footage floating around anywhere on the web? Just wondering.
There is no "rape footage." No video is in existence.

[RedBlackAttack]

Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?
The actual trial revealed the rape consisted of the girl being digitally penetrated in the car ride to the 3rd party and at the 3rd party, a party which consisted of five kids.

I'm not surprised the two were found guilty. I said in my post yesterday that I thought that was the likely verdict. I never argued that these guys were innocent. My thing was always the absurdity of the coverup angle and the obvious lies spread by Local Leaks. I ended up being right on both accounts.

[IamRAMBO24]

Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.

[ace23]

Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.
fingered

[Rubio2Gasol]

Unfortunately in cases like this where the media plays a large role - 99 percent of the time the decision is going to be the safe one. The media needs to do a better job of reporting real issues and not dramatizing controversial stories and hindering the ability of an already faulty judicial system to do it's job.

If they had gotten off some lunatic would have come at them with a sledge hammer.

On the case itself - I'm usually skeptical in these matters. When whether it's rape or not depends on subjective interpretation of the incident, it's really, really difficult.

[KevinNYC]

Haven't really been following this story, but I'm seeing that they only fingered her. Was she absolutely unconscious beyond reasonable doubt?

They were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

As discussed earlier in this thread, nonconsensual "fingering" is still rape.

Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.

Now that this is done, I want to see everything Anonymous got right and got wrong about this case. It appears, that they got much of it wrong. Considering the cops seem have known about the video of the idiot from Ohio State back in August, did Anonymous contribute anything?

[KevinNYC]

Wtf is "digitally" penetrated.

Wow. That explains a lot.

[KevinNYC]

Unfortunately in cases like this where the media plays a large role - 99 percent of the time the decision is going to be the safe one. The media needs to do a better job of reporting real issues and not dramatizing controversial stories and hindering the ability of an already faulty judicial system to do it's job.

If they had gotten off some lunatic would have come at them with a sledge hammer.

On the case itself - I'm usually skeptical in these matters. When whether it's rape or not depends on subjective interpretation of the incident, it's really, really difficult.

I think in this case, it became a big media thing after Anonymous blew the story up and they seem to have a gotten a lot of things wrong.

EDIT
I don't think in this case there was any doubt it was rape. Especially since the guys who were convicted had told their friends how out of it the girl was.

[KevinNYC]

There is no "rape footage." No video is in existence.

There was video of the act in the car. The teenage who shot it deleted it. I don't think he ever circulated it.


The Steubenville, Ohio high school student who hosted the party where a 16-year-old girl was allegedly raped, testified today after being given immunity for having videotaped - and then deleted - some of the alleged assault......

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57574615-504083/steubenville-rape-trial-witness-testifies-he-recorded-deleted-sex-act-on-girl-in-car/

[RedBlackAttack]

There was video of the act in the car. The teenage who shot it deleted it. I don't think he ever circulated it.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57574615-504083/steubenville-rape-trial-witness-testifies-he-recorded-deleted-sex-act-on-girl-in-car/
Like I said, no video currently exists. Trust me, I know every detail of this case. The video was unable to be retrieved by BCI, but the kid who took it admitted he did.

[ace23]

Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.
Where does it start?

[RedBlackAttack]

They were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

As discussed earlier in this thread, nonconsensual "fingering" is still rape.

Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.
Yep. And that was the prosecution's successful argument. It wasn't even whether or not she consented. Their argument was that she was in no condition to give consent, period.

Her condition and the action of the two boys resulted in the verdict. Once the state successfully proved that she was impaired beyond a point of being able to make the decision for herself, it was over... Because the boys admitted to the sexual contact (ie "fingering"... I prefer the phrase digital penetration).


Now that this is done, I want to see everything Anonymous got right and got wrong about this case. It appears, that they got much of it wrong. Considering the cops seem have known about the video of the idiot from Ohio State back in August, did Anonymous contribute anything?

And this should really be the lede in the days and weeks following the verdict. They got virtually everything wrong. That Local Leaks site was a sick fantasy put together by a combination of an anarchist sect of Anonymous which wants to bring down law enforcement in America (Commander X aka Chris Doyon runs Local Leaks) and locals with an axe to grind (bloggers like Alexandria Goddard).

When I say they got just about everything wrong, I mean it...

Here is a small sampling...

http://stranahaninexile.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-reminder-of-how-wrong-localleaks-was/


Even the term 'rape crew' was completely contrived. One former Big Red football player made one comment in one Facebook post referring to him and his teammates as the 'rape crew' in a football context. This person graduated years prior, wasn't at any of the parties and the comment was made in 2010. The comment had nothing to do with sex, but he was using 'rape' as implying 'our team will get the better of your team.' That is the only reference to a 'rape crew' that was ever found.

This single post in a football related context was somehow applied to this situation. Notice virtually none of the media is using the phrase any more... It was made up.

[RedBlackAttack]

Guilty Verdict in Steubenville Rape Case that Saw Anonymous Terrorize a Town (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/17/Guilty-Verdict-In-Steubenville-Rape-Case-That-Saw-Anonymous-Terrorize-A-Town)

[Kovach]

Guilty Verdict in Steubenville Rape Case that Saw Anonymous Terrorize a Town (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/17/Guilty-Verdict-In-Steubenville-Rape-Case-That-Saw-Anonymous-Terrorize-A-Town)
And that's what happens when socially dysfunctional nerds get too much power in a sensationalism-starved world where collective IQ is dropping rapidly. Feel particularly sorry for the guy accused of having child porn. All of this is starting to look to me more and more like late Middle Ages witch-hunt. "I don't like this guy, therefore he must be a pedo." How is he doing nowdays RBA?

[BrickingStar]

Guilty Verdict in Steubenville Rape Case that Saw Anonymous Terrorize a Town (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/17/Guilty-Verdict-In-Steubenville-Rape-Case-That-Saw-Anonymous-Terrorize-A-Town)
look at the fatass with he double chin who's face is to big for the mask :roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

And that's what happens when socially dysfunctional nerds get too much power in a sensationalism-starved world where collective IQ is dropping rapidly. Feel particularly sorry for the guy accused of having child porn. All of this is starting to look to me more and more like late Middle Ages witch-hunt. "I don't like this guy, therefore he must be a pedo." How is he doing nowdays RBA?
I haven't seen him or talked to him in a while. Obviously, when the lies initially began to spread on a viral level, I let him know that I was completely behind him, 100-percent, and that I knew the claims were erroneous.

However, this is something that can never be "taken back" regardless of what happens next with this story. His name will always be associated with this case and that is a damn shame, because his only crime was being the administrator of a high school football fan site.

He's a strong person, so I'm sure he will carry on with his life, but I would be surprised if this thing didn't leave permanent scars. And, yes... this was a witch hunt right from the start, which is what I was trying to explain to people months ago when it first broke nationally.

Lives of people with absolutely no connection to this thing have been significantly altered probably forever. And it's a damn shame. This should be a cautionary tale to everyone, because if it could happen to this city and these people, it could happen anywhere to anyone.

The media isn't done, btw. Many of the more shameless "journalists" are still lambasting Steubenville for... being a city where a crime took place, I guess.

There is a story, here, and an important one. It involves sexual activity and drinking amongst high school kids and even younger... The impact of social media on our kids. To me, those are the real stories here. Instead, the media chose an easy target, pretending as though this crime was something that could only happen in Steubenville and that it was somehow tied to football. Like I said months ago, this never had anything to do with football.

It was just a false narrative pushed by a lazy media machine looking to sensationalize anything and everything... And lives will never be the same as a result.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Yep. And that was the prosecution's successful argument. It wasn't even whether or not she consented. Their argument was that she was in no condition to give consent, period.



That seems sketchy, and has scary implications for cases of rape from here on out. It calls into question the ability of someone o retract consent afterwards - which is a big problem.

[KevinNYC]

Like I said, no video currently exists. Trust me, I know every detail of this case. The video was unable to be retrieved by BCI, but the kid who took it admitted he did.

I figured YOU did know the facts. I was posting more for others.

AND I also figured you were being lawyerly with your language, similar to when you tried to distance them from the football program.

[KevinNYC]

Where does it start?

In this case the girl was vomiting and slurring her speech.

[RedBlackAttack]

I figured YOU did know the facts. I was posting more for others.

AND I also figured you were being lawyerly with your language, similar to when you tried to distance them from the football program.
I'd like to hear more in-depth thoughts from you on this topic. Everyone knows where I stand. I think the trial and the false narrative put out there prior to the trial speak for themselves. Now that we know the facts of the case, it is pretty easy to see how this evolved.

I would like to hear a more impartial viewpoint, though. I'm willing to discuss this, but it is pretty obviously close to my heart since I know many of the people involved. As you can imagine, this has been an emotionally trying eight months. I'm glad it's over.

[Scoooter]

Ohio always struck me as a very rapey state.

[shaq2000]

RBA defending rapists. :lol

[KevinNYC]

That seems sketchy, and has scary implications for cases of rape from here on out. It calls into question the ability of someone o retract consent afterwards - which is a big problem.

It's not sketchy.

It's not new.

It's a legal principle that has been around for a while. What you are talking about is retracting consent which is a different thing.

But the principle is straightforward. Let's say you pass out at a party. A man came in and undressed you and went down on you. He can't claim it was consensual because "you didn't say no." It was nonconsensual, thus a crime because you were in no condition to give your consent because you weren't conscious. There's absolutely nothing sketchy about this.

It's similar to a claim of self-defense when someone is killed. There's nothing sketchy about defending yourself if your life is in danger, but for individual cases the prosecutor has to decide if that standard has been met. If the prosecutor thinks it was self-defense they won't bring a case, but if the standard hasn't been met they can prosecute for manslaughter and during the trial the jury will decide whether the standard of self-defense has been met.

[KevinNYC]

RBA defending rapists. :lol
Yeah, that's not what he is doing.


I'd like to hear more in-depth thoughts from you on this topic. Everyone knows where I stand. I think the trial and the false narrative put out there prior to the trial speak for themselves. Now that we know the facts of the case, it is pretty easy to see how this evolved.

I would like to hear a more impartial viewpoint, though. I'm willing to discuss this, but it is pretty obviously close to my heart since I know many of the people involved. As you can imagine, this has been an emotionally trying eight months. I'm glad it's over.

I think you have been right on the big issues on this case, but I don't think you have always been impartial. I think because you were making your points in the face of the false narrative that was being pushed-- "that the whole town was willing to cover up a rape because it involved the football team" -- that you went too far in your defense. These were football players, after all.

there's more I could get into, but I have some work to do. However, I never bought into the whole "hackers" discovered a treasure trove of evidence that the authorities were just because it seemed unlikely. I didn't look into this case until that idea was already pushed. I figured that guy from Ohio state was not part of it, just from how he was talking. Also it's obvious that some high school kid gave this info to Anonymous. It's been proven, time and time again, that professional journalists for all their faults do a better job than blockers, hackers, message board commentators, etc on the whole. So I never thought Anonymous had the truth of what happened. I guess when I started looking at this story, my first question is how do they know this is true?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I swear sht like this only happens in Cleveland. i kidd, i kidd mr. rba

[Rubio2Gasol]

It's not sketchy.

It's not new.

It's a legal principle that has been around for a while. What you are talking about is retracting consent which is a different thing.

But the principle is straightforward. Let's say you pass out at a party. A man came in and undressed you and went down on you. He can't claim it was consensual because "you didn't say no." It was nonconsensual, thus a crime because you were in no condition to give your consent because you weren't conscious. There's absolutely nothing sketchy about this.

It's similar to a claim of self-defense when someone is killed. There's nothing sketchy about defending yourself if your life is in danger, but for individual cases the prosecutor has to decide if that standard has been met. If the prosecutor thinks it was self-defense they won't bring a case, but if the standard hasn't been met they can prosecute for manslaughter and during the trial the jury will decide whether the standard of self-defense has been met.

Sorry. I was probably mistaken.

I thought the girl had given consent - but that consent had been invalidated by her condition at the time. Which would be a problem, regardless of how drunk she was. What is consent exactly in this case though? Because it seems wrong if a dude hooks up with a drunk girl who doesn't resist and then all of a sudden gets slapped with a rape charge.

[ace23]

In this case the girl was vomiting and slurring her speech.
Haha, so what? Don't drink your ass off at a party and cry rape when you get ****ed. Whole thing sounds pretty stupid to me.

Don't mind me, though. :oldlol: I'm not very informed on the details of the case.

[InspiredLebowski]

Haha, so what? Don't drink your ass off at a party and cry rape when you get ****ed. Whole thing sounds pretty stupid to me.

Don't mind me, though. :oldlol: I'm not very informed on the details of the case.gross

[sick_brah07]

off topic

but man do i miss high school parties

[RedBlackAttack]

I think you have been right on the big issues on this case, but I don't think you have always been impartial. I think because you were making your points in the face of the false narrative that was being pushed-- "that the whole town was willing to cover up a rape because it involved the football team" -- that you went too far in your defense. These were football players, after all.
I think that is probably a fair assessment. However, I think the context of what was happening all around me helps explain why I was forced into such a defensive posture. Until you've been through something like this, you can't truly understand the helpless feeling that comes with it.

When I say "this," I mean being thrust into the national spotlight based on things that simply weren't true, and you KNOW that they're not true. But, especially at that time, getting people to understand just how off-base most of this stuff was seemed like an impossible task.

I also thought my comments about these guys "not being football players" was taken out of context. That was one tiny detail of a much larger argument I was making and it was an attempt to refute the notion that these guys were already some kind of star athletes in Steubenville when neither of them had taken a single rep on the varsity team. They weren't and I still stand by that. Not that it really matters one way or the other, but I was up against such a tide of misinformation, that is one area that -- at that point -- I could verifiable discount... They hadn't played for the varsity team yet and weren't well known in the community prior to the night in question.

Now, months later, that the facts are all on the table and I can refute the more important aspects of the media and social media frenzy, that is such an insignificant detail, I would never bring it up in a discussion like this. However, back then, with all of this unsubstantiated nonsense floating around, I grabbed onto what facts I could in an effort to stem the tide.

And, I never argued that I was impartial. I'm the furthest thing from impartial when it comes to this case. That said, I'm also in a position where I know things about the people and the community that outsiders simply jumping into the cyber lynch mob could never know.

I KNEW this stuff was off the wall nonsense back then... I just couldn't prove it. Now, the truth has come out and a lot of people who were thrown under the bus have been vindicated. There is no need to latch onto minor details in an attempt to show a false narrative. That false narrative is there for everyone to see.

This has nothing to do with the victim or the two boys convicted, btw. I never defended them, other than to say they deserved their day in court. They received a fair trial and I thought the verdict was a just one. I expected it to go that way.

My objection was always to the way this was being presented and the wide net of blame being cast on people who absolutely didn't deserve it.



there's more I could get into, but I have some work to do. However, I never bought into the whole "hackers" discovered a treasure trove of evidence that the authorities were just because it seemed unlikely. I didn't look into this case until that idea was already pushed. I figured that guy from Ohio state was not part of it, just from how he was talking. Also it's obvious that some high school kid gave this info to Anonymous. It's been proven, time and time again, that professional journalists for all their faults do a better job than blockers, hackers, message board commentators, etc on the whole. So I never thought Anonymous had the truth of what happened. I guess when I started looking at this story, my first question is how do they know this is true?

I'll tell you this, the incident has forever changed the way I view the mass media machine in the United States. It is hard to understand its immense power and destructive possibilities until you are in the middle of one of their firestorms. This thing was so sensationalized from the start, with some of the claims so bizarre they would have been funny if real people weren't being severely impacted.

They decided on their narrative early on (football culture, corrupt town) and never even attempted to report anything which didn't adhere with their chosen story of what happened and why it happened.

Worst of all, now that we know the truth, there have been no signs of retractions or an attempt to correct the record. It seems they will just simply move on to the next big story and leave this giant mess for the city to deal with in the decades to come.

Note: While bloggers started these outlandish rumors and Anonymous perpetuated them, the media was also complicit in spreading untruths and giving a national and international platform to the lies being told.

It is easy to blame all of this on the bloggers and Anonymous, but I lost a lot of faith in the integrity of the media along the way. I will never react to a big news story the same way again. I'm sure there were times I was guilty of jumping on a bandwagon just because I expected the mainstream media not to miss the mark this badly.

It was a real wake-up call.

[RedBlackAttack]

Sorry. I was probably mistaken.

I thought the girl had given consent - but that consent had been invalidated by her condition at the time. Which would be a problem, regardless of how drunk she was. What is consent exactly in this case though? Because it seems wrong if a dude hooks up with a drunk girl who doesn't resist and then all of a sudden gets slapped with a rape charge.

The real catalyst for these charges was the way in which this girl was cyber-bullied in the days following the incident. They took pictures of her in various states of undress and passed them around.

Eventually, word got back to the girl's father of what was happening online and HE decided to press charges, not the girl. She testified on the stand that she begged him not to go to the police, but he did.

Without the picture taking and the discussion of the night's incident on Facebook and Twitter by kids that were either there or saw the pics/tweets, I firmly believe (actually, I know) that there would have never been any charges and no one outside of this small group of kids would have ever known what happened, rightly or wrongly.

The girl is obviously a victim in all of this, in more ways than one. She WAS digitally penetrated while in an inebriated state. She WAS cyber-bullied in the days following the incident. She did not want to go to police, but was forced to and thus thrust into the national spotlight. She was the centerpiece of bizarre tales of deviant behavior, most of which turned out to be untrue. Her real name was repeated in public numerous times over the course of the discussions leading up to the trial and during the live online stream of the trial itself.

I truly feel for the victim, even beyond the crime which was committed. She didn't ask for any of this.

[Scoooter]

off topic

but man do i miss high school parties
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Yes.

[Scoooter]

That's messed up. No one deserves to get raped. She certainly didn't do herself any favors though by getting wasted.
Or having a ******.

[Myth]

That's messed up. No one deserves to get raped. She certainly didn't do herself any favors though by getting wasted.

The problem I have with this statement is that almost everybody gets wasted at some point in their life. I'd hate to go partying, get drunk and pass out, just to find out later that some guy raped me and then have my horrible experience somewhat invalidated by somebody saying "Well, you didn't do yourself any favors by getting drunk." Everybody deserves to party some and not have to fear getting raped.

[Myth]

Or having a ******.

Exactly. How many males ever think they are going to get raped if they drink too much?

[KevinNYC]

Note: While bloggers started these outlandish rumors and Anonymous perpetuated them, the media was also complicit in spreading untruths and giving a national and international platform to the lies being told.

It is easy to blame all of this on the bloggers and Anonymous, but I lost a lot of faith in the integrity of the media along the way. I will never react to a big news story the same way again. I'm sure there were times I was guilty of jumping on a bandwagon just because I expected the mainstream media not to miss the mark this badly.

It was a real wake-up call.

Was this case sensationalized until the Anonymous or whoever it was started talking about this in December? Again, I didn't live though this case, but the few articles I looked at had the Anonymous allegations as part of the story, that is those allegations were driving the story, so covering the story meant covering the allegations. Now there's a responsible and irresponsible way to do that, but you're right, even wide circulation of responsibly reported allegations are going to leave a mark.

[KevinNYC]

I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

And you've always done everything your parents told you? Even though you tried to soften the statement, you're blaming the victim here.

[KevinNYC]

Interesting (http://www.cleveland.com/steubenville-rape-case/index.ssf/2013/03/two_steubenville_football_play.html#incart_m-rpt-2)


Shortly after the courtroom cleared, Attorney General Mike DeWine announced that a grand jury would be convened on April 15 to investigate whether charges would be filed against others.

It will use information gathered by more than 15 state investigative agents who have already interviewed 56 people including, the school district's principal, superintendent and 27 football coaches. Sixteen people refused to cooperate.

The grand jury will have the latitude to question witnesses and send out subpoenas for information.

DeWine said the community "desperately needs to put this behind them" but they also needed assurance that "no stone has been left unturned."

DeWine said possible charges included, but weren't limited to, failure to report a crime and tampering with evidence. He would not specifically comment on a question about Head Coach Reno Saccoccia, who was discussed in text messages during the trial as knowing about the rape.

However, he did say that teacher and coaches have a mandatory obligation to report any type of child abuse.

[longtime lurker]

I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

I agree that girls need to be smarter about the situations that they put themselves in, but bolded also applies to the boys in the situation. They should be smarter than to do this type of stupid sh!t that will affect screw their future. I'm pretty sure their parents didn't tell them it was cool **** around with a passed out chick.

[RedBlackAttack]

Was this case sensationalized until the Anonymous or whoever it was started talking about this in December? Again, I didn't live though this case, but the few articles I looked at had the Anonymous allegations as part of the story, that is those allegations were driving the story, so covering the story meant covering the allegations. Now there's a responsible and irresponsible way to do that, but you're right, even wide circulation of responsibly reported allegations are going to leave a mark.
The NY Times linked to LocalLeaks directly, along with providing excerpts from the piece. CNN did a live interview with KyAnonymous, where he was unchallenged in repeating pretty much everything in the LocalLeaks article. There wasn't even an attempt to interject. The Cleveland Plain Dealer, a pretty highly respected regional newspaper, was basically the mouthpiece for Alexandria Goddard, the blogger who is at the root of all the lies.


Interesting (http://www.cleveland.com/steubenville-rape-case/index.ssf/2013/03/two_steubenville_football_play.html#incart_m-rpt-2)

The AG is just covering his butt. This is a PR move and, from what I've heard, it will mainly deal with calling in other kids at the first party (where a rape did not happen) and those that may have seen tweets.

Regardless, he has already said there was no conspiracy, cover-up. I do dislike the fact that he's going to be keeping this story going for another month, but this seems like a publicity move more than anything else.

[bdreason]

I can only imagine how embarrassed and disappointed the parents must be. If my child ever perpetrated such acts, I would feel like I failed as a parent.

[Myth]

I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

As already stated above by Kevin, this is a form of victim blaming. By this thinking, you are essentially saying that women should not drink because they can potentially be raped, and if they do drink they should know there are potential "rape consequences." Might as well say that women shouldn't go jogging on a park trail because there have been multiple incidents of sexual assault at public parks, therefore women who went jogging should know that jogging has the "potential consequences" of sexual assault.

[v-unit]

Steubenville is as corrupted as they say it is. The people in the local are just flat out scums. I've played a few football games at Steubenville when I was in high school. All their 50 year olds would curse, spit, and poor beer at their opponents. Football is all they have in that neighborhood and it's why these guys get treated like gods.

[FPJ]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-football-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

Great article about how ****ed up the kids are. Never have teens been more morally corrupt than now in regards to knowing right from wrong, sometimes in the simplest and most obvious form.

[Blue&Orange]

both wept, at times uncontrollably
lol **** them, only two years?

How can i give money to these anonymous fellows? They are awesome. Geeks ****ing jocks haha

[Droid101]

Guilty Verdict in Steubenville Rape Case that Saw Anonymous Terrorize a Town (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/17/Guilty-Verdict-In-Steubenville-Rape-Case-That-Saw-Anonymous-Terrorize-A-Town)
A Breitbart link? Seriously?

Get that shit out of here.

[Droid101]

I hope the coach gets nailed after the grand jury investigation:

A few of Mr. Mays’s texts described by Ms. Gibb suggested that Mr. Mays believed that his football coach, Reno Saccoccia, would protect him.

“I got Reno to take care of it,” Mr. Mays texted at one point. He added in another text, referring to the coach, that “I feel like he took care of it” and that “he was joking about it so I’m not that worried.”


If he knew this happened and didn't immediately report it to the police, he deserves to get reamed.

[Kungfro]

Appreciate hearing the other side of the story RBA. When I first heard about this I jumped to the same conclusion as a lot of people, clearly there's more to it then what's being reported though.

[Droid101]

Great statement from Gawker:

For readers interested in learning more about how not to be labeled as registered sex offenders, a good first step is not to rape unconscious women, no matter how good your grades are. Regardless of the strength of your GPA (weighted or unweighted), if you commit rape, there is a possibility you may someday be convicted of a sex crime. This is because of your decision to commit a sex crime instead of going for a walk, or reading a book by Cormac McCarthy. Your ability to perform calculus or play football is generally not taken into consideration in a court of law. Should you prefer to be known as "Good student and excellent football player Trent Mays" rather than "Convicted sex offender Trent Mays," try stressing the studying and tackling and giving the sex crimes a miss altogether.

[ace23]

Have you all never hooked up with a drunk chick who had no recollection of it the next day? Rape?

[Droid101]

Have you all never hooked up with a drunk chick who had no recollection of it the next day? Rape?
Yeah, you committed rape. Good thing they didn't turn your rapist ass in.

[Rasheed1]

Have you all never hooked up with a drunk chick who had no recollection of it the next day? Rape?


Could be rape if she decides it is... :confusedshrug:

Men have got to understand that they need to be careful when dealing with females. Females have the power to throw you under the bus if you are out there being reckless in how you behave

You dont hit passed out chicks. Thats rule number 1. If she is passed out? just let her sleep it off. get at her tomorrow.

[PrettyCool]

Open and shut small town under aged alcohol consumption and sexual abuse along some cyber bullying. Clich

[KevinNYC]

All three cable networks ran unedited footage aired the apology of one of the defendants and in doing so.

1. Released a rape victim's name.
2. Released a teenage rape victim's name.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-steubenville-rape-victim_n_2901635.html?ir=Media

[ace23]

I didn't catch her name, and no one else seems to know what it is either.

[9erempiree]

I knew Rape Crew was guilty and it's time to punish the town. I hope they put the coach and the sheriff up on blast.

It's time to rid this country of these small towns that let their kids get away with things like rape and gambling.

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=Droid101]I hope the coach gets nailed after the grand jury investigation:

A few of Mr. Mays

[9erempiree]

Now that we have all the facts and the courts have determined this crew is guilty, it's time to get the coach.

The coach had to know about this since the players were at various coaches' homes and drinking and party with their coaches.

What kind of coaches party with their players whom are underaged. Heck, college coaches don't even party with their players and they are old enough to drink. Perhaps, the coaches were buying the players drinks.

[longtime lurker]

Now that we have all the facts and the courts have determined this crew is guilty, it's time to get the coach.

The coach had to know about this since the players were at various coaches' homes and drinking and party with their coaches.

What kind of coaches party with their players whom are underaged. Heck, college coaches don't even party with their players and they are old enough to drink. Perhaps, the coaches were buying the players drinks.

Well to be fair it's a small town and this is not uncommon for adults to know about kids drinking. I didn't read anywhere that the coach was partying with the kids, but if he knew anything about this he needs to get nailed to the wall.

[PrettyCool]

Now that we have all the facts and the courts have determined this crew is guilty, it's time to get the coach.

The coach had to know about this since the players were at various coaches' homes and drinking and party with their coaches.

What kind of coaches party with their players whom are underaged. Heck, college coaches don't even party with their players and they are old enough to drink. Perhaps, the coaches were buying the players drinks.

:roll: :roll:

[DeuceWallaces]

Looks like this coach is in trouble if these texts can be submitted as evidence. Just another big fish in a little pond thinking they're above it all.

[RedBlackAttack]

Looks like this coach is in trouble if these texts can be submitted as evidence. Just another big fish in a little pond thinking they're above it all.
Actually, "the coach" is in no trouble whatsoever, according to the signs I'm seeing quite visible on the wall. He was mentioned during the trial two times. Once in a text message from the defendant to friend and another time by Jane Doe (the victim), who said the defendant (Trent Mays) told him that the coach was alerted as to possible allegations by the police at some point just prior to the arrests.

Those are the two instances in which the coach was mentioned during a trial with mountains and mountains of evidence, and neither was anything close to definitive evidence of any involvement or prior knowledge of a crime.

In an interview with the county prosecutor done today, she touched on the text message involving the coach and it was pretty clear from her reaction that people need to let this play out.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/web-extra-news9s-unedited-interview-jefferson-co-p/nWwpR/

It is as though people want there to be something more than there is so badly, they're willing to take any tiny scrap of anything and run with it. There is so much contrived nonsense that has already been proven to be erroneous, you'd think people would think twice about going all-in on the next big conspiracy in this case.

Could it be that a couple of kids just took advantage of an incapacitated teenage girl without city officials, police, the prosecutor or the coaches having any involvement?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Could be rape if she decides it is... :confusedshrug:

Men have got to understand that they need to be careful when dealing with females. Females have the power to throw you under the bus if you are out there being reckless in how you behave

You dont hit passed out chicks. Thats rule number 1. If she is passed out? just let her sleep it off. get at her tomorrow.

Not passed out - but what if you are mutually intoxicated :confusedshrug: .

This is scary :(

[FPJ]

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1akszb/i_live_in_steubenville_and_know_all_of_those/

[RedBlackAttack]

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1akszb/i_live_in_steubenville_and_know_all_of_those/
I find it absolutely stunning that a relatively common crime committed by juveniles with no evidence or concrete proof of any corruption or cover-up has essentially turned into an international bashing of a city. What in the hell is going on?

I've taught in schools in the metro Cleveland area. I have friends who are either teachers, coaches or have kids across the eastern seaboard. Everyone is having to deal with the same kinds of issues, which is sex at very young ages combined with drugs/alcohol and social media. Those are the elements of this case and it is rampant across the country with young people.

By turning this into a conversation about why this is a uniquely Steubenville problem, there is an opportunity missed to discuss the broader, more important issues. I remain baffled at the narrative. And I also remain baffled that this is an international news story.

I mean, I know how it got that way... With salacious untruths spread by a well-known hacker group. But, now that we know 99.99% of what they alleged was completely made-up, why are we still talking about this? And, if we are going to talk about it, why is it still a focus on the city and not how wrong the false narrative was?

[Kovach]

Can someone help me put the pieces together because I also wasn't following from the start?
So dumb kids committed a crime and got arrested soon after, the trial was scheduled and so on. 3-4 months later in comes the hacker group and blows everything out of the proportion. Is that what happened in a nutshell? What took them so long? When was Goddard's article that seemingly started the avalanche actually published? Still trying to figure the chronological order of the entire incident. :)

[Balla_Status]

Steubenville is as corrupted as they say it is. The people in the local are just flat out scums. I've played a few football games at Steubenville when I was in high school. All their 50 year olds would curse, spit, and poor beer at their opponents. Football is all they have in that neighborhood and it's why these guys get treated like gods.

A v-unit post? :biggums:

There's a difference between being wasted and passed out vs. being drunk and hooking up with another drunk dude .

Raping a passed out drunk chick should not be on the victim but let's say you're drunk and another chick is drunk and she cries rape a week later after ya'll hooked up....yeah that's on her.

[Balla_Status]

Steubenville is as corrupted as they say it is. The people in the local are just flat out scums. I've played a few football games at Steubenville when I was in high school. All their 50 year olds would curse, spit, and poor beer at their opponents. Football is all they have in that neighborhood and it's why these guys get treated like gods.

It's pretty sad how bad they want to be like Texas football.

[bmulls]

Could be rape if she decides it is... :confusedshrug:

Men have got to understand that they need to be careful when dealing with females. Females have the power to throw you under the bus if you are out there being reckless in how you behave

You dont hit passed out chicks. Thats rule number 1. If she is passed out? just let her sleep it off. get at her tomorrow.

Yep, society is not equal in the case of rape, domestic violence, child custody, divorce, etc. It's not right and it's not fair, but that's just the way it is right now in America. All men need to be on their guard in these kinds of situations because a woman can ruin your life if she wants to.

[Droid101]

I find it absolutely stunning that a relatively common crime committed by juveniles with no evidence or concrete proof of any corruption or cover-up has essentially turned into an international bashing of a city. What in the hell is going on?

I've taught in schools in the metro Cleveland area. I have friends who are either teachers, coaches or have kids across the eastern seaboard. Everyone is having to deal with the same kinds of issues, which is sex at very young ages combined with drugs/alcohol and social media. Those are the elements of this case and it is rampant across the country with young people.

By turning this into a conversation about why this is a uniquely Steubenville problem, there is an opportunity missed to discuss the broader, more important issues. I remain baffled at the narrative. And I also remain baffled that this is an international news story.

I mean, I know how it got that way... With salacious untruths spread by a well-known hacker group. But, now that we know 99.99% of what they alleged was completely made-up, why are we still talking about this? And, if we are going to talk about it, why is it still a focus on the city and not how wrong the false narrative was?
You need to bow out of this thread. You're getting hysterical.

And in other news, the town corruption rears its ugly head again:

Two Steubenville girls arrested for death threat against the rape victim (http://fox8.com/2013/03/18/death-threat-made-against-steubenville-victim/)

But keep on defending that small football town culture. Rape is okay, ruining a promising football career isn't, apparently.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I remember this story lol
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/17/justice/ohio-steubenville-case/index.html

It's pathetic that the boys were all crying. Were they really sorry for what they did to the girl? Or just the fact that they got caught.

I don't see that girl anywhere in the vid. But I'm at work, so I couldn't watch the whole thing. I'll check back later.

[Kovach]

I fail to see the connection between actions of 2 juvenile girls and the town corruption or the obsession with football culture, but that's just me. :confusedshrug:

For all I know both of them could have been "digitally penetrated" by those guys as well and enjoyed it.

[Droid101]

I fail to see the connection between actions of 2 juvenile girls and the town corruption or the obsession with football culture, but that's just me. :confusedshrug:

For all I know both of them could have been "digitally penetrated" by those guys as well and enjoyed it.
Here's some quotes I'm seeing from people who live in Ohio or Steubenville itself:



As someone who lived in Steubenville for 10 years, this doesn't surprise me one bit. I went to Catholic Central (Big Red's football "rival"), and then went to Franciscan University of Steubenville there as well.

Trust me, if you spend enough time there you either get sucked in and are stuck there for life, or you run as fast as you can and never look back. From the outside it looks like a lazy, do-nothing town, but once you've been there for a while, it's a frightening place to be. There is a lot of bad mojo there.

Some of you may recall the case there (almost 15 years ago) where two college students were kidnapped and executed in the area. Yeah, those were my friends. They were shot in the head (after quite a bit of torture) for their ****ing SUV. I have plenty of other examples of how twisted that place is, but I'm pretty sure this rape case, and the reaction to it, can do the talking for me.

I still have a few "friends" back there, but I haven't been back to see them in a couple of years now. Every time I drive over the bridge from Weirton to the 'Ville, I always get a knot in my stomach - it's like returning to the scene of a crime.


My daughter was raped by a football player @ 14 . You know what the cops said? But --- But hes a star football player,do you really want to do this?

****ing Canton ,Ohio

Now ya know
They take that shait seriously


And that's exactly what i was talking about earlier... if the rapist had been a basement dwelling D&D nerd, the police would have raided the house in full SWAT gear and it wouldn't have made national news because no one cares about the skeevy D&D nerd and he doesn't contribute to the reputation or success of the school and by proxy the city, where as Bret McQuaterback the Rapist gets community cover up for his rapes because he's the local celebrity, and everyone knows that when you try and expose a flaw in a greek hero, it's going to make the news and then the shiat storm begins...

Small towns plus football culture leads to this type of shit.

[Droid101]

lol, this storm ain't over. It's just getting started.


Under Ohio state law, coaches are among the many school officials mandated to report crimes involving their students. And according to witness testimony and text messages introduced as evidence in the Steubenville rape trial, head football coach Reno Saccoccia knew about the rape of a 16-year-old girl by two of his players, but didn’t say a word about it to school administrators or local law enforcement.

So why does he still have a job?

Deadspin editor Barry Petchesky has a theory, and it’s that, much like Trent Mays and Ma’lik Richmond, “local legend” Saccoccia believed that his status as a local football celebrity put him above the law:

Reno Saccoccia is a local legend, in the way that 30-year coaches of football powerhouses in economically depressed Ohio Valley towns tend to be legends. He’s in the Ohio Coaches Hall of Fame. He’s won three state titles. When Saccoccia won his 300th game last year, a sellout crowd of more than 10,000 people packed Harding Stadium—christened “Reno Field” in 2007—and chanted “Reno, Reno, Reno” as he left the field.

He breakfasts regularly with the sheriff. His sister-in-law works in the county’s juvenile court, where he is licensed as a mediator. He “molds young boys into men.”

But text messages seized from Mays’ cellphone indicate that Saccoccia had seen the video in which another student “joked” that “Trent and Ma’lik raped someone” as soon as it was released.

The day after the incident, Mays texted a friend: “I got Reno. He took care of it and shit ain’t gonna happen, even if they did take it to court. Like he was joking about it so I’m not worried,” according to an agent with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, who testified in the rape case.

As Petchesky notes, “the players were convinced they were untouchable because they’d committed the rape on Saccoccia’s turf … They were right, for a while.” Adding, “If the Times hadn’t turned its eyes to Steubenville, and hacker groups not exposed the graphic evidence, it’s a legitimate question whether justice would have been done at all. Whether or not Saccoccia took a personal hand in protecting his players, the Steubenville reaction is a symptom of what happens in a football-mad small town run by a deified coach.”

Petchesky makes a crucial point, but it is important to add that this kind of coverup behavior isn’t limited to small towns with untouchable local celebrities — it’s a symptom of a culture that normalizes sexual assault on the regular, especially in high school and college settings.

But Saccoccia isn’t in the clear. While the trial against Mays and Richmond ended with a guilty verdict for both boys, Ohio state Attorney General Mike DeWine’s investigation into the parents, coaches and school officials who may have tried to hide the rape is ongoing.

It’s an investigation that DeWine hopes will show that ignoring sexual violence when it’s right in front of our faces isn’t a problem unique to small football towns, but an issue that cuts across all communities — yours and mine included.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/18/meet_reno_saccoccia_steubenvilles_head_football_co ach/

[DeuceWallaces]

Actually, "the coach" is in no trouble whatsoever, according to the signs I'm seeing quite visible on the wall. He was mentioned during the trial two times. Once in a text message from the defendant to friend and another time by Jane Doe (the victim), who said the defendant (Trent Mays) told him that the coach was alerted as to possible allegations by the police at some point just prior to the arrests.

Those are the two instances in which the coach was mentioned during a trial with mountains and mountains of evidence, and neither was anything close to definitive evidence of any involvement or prior knowledge of a crime.

In an interview with the county prosecutor done today, she touched on the text message involving the coach and it was pretty clear from her reaction that people need to let this play out.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/web-extra-news9s-unedited-interview-jefferson-co-p/nWwpR/

It is as though people want there to be something more than there is so badly, they're willing to take any tiny scrap of anything and run with it. There is so much contrived nonsense that has already been proven to be erroneous, you'd think people would think twice about going all-in on the next big conspiracy in this case.

Could it be that a couple of kids just took advantage of an incapacitated teenage girl without city officials, police, the prosecutor or the coaches having any involvement?

You are obviously completely and utterly biased. Anyway, there are at least a few reports that he knew about this without reporting it to the authorities. Furthermore, his responses to inquiries are highly defensive.

Guy's job could definitely be on the line for not reporting a rape committed by his players.

[Balla_Status]

http://i.imgur.com/uuh1Xxr.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

Damn that sucks for the girl. All of these kids slipped, being stupid enough to put this shit online is going to haunt them for a damn long time.

This sums everything up.

[9erempiree]

I'm glad the Feds are going after the head coach and the town's sheriff.

What about that bar that serves kids alcohol and it's a gambling ring?

[RedBlackAttack]

You are obviously completely and utterly biased. Anyway, there are at least a few reports that he knew about this without reporting it to the authorities. Furthermore, his responses to inquiries are highly defensive.

Guy's job could definitely be on the line for not reporting a rape committed by his players.
I said I wasn't impartial in a post just before the one you quoted. However, go back and read the thread from the start. I've been right on pretty much everything else. Truth is, I know A LOT more about this case than anyone here... And I actually know the people involved.

I'm pretty amazed that people are going to take these text messages to heart, coming just after the same kid said he was trying to keep the girl safe that night, along with dozens of other lies.

Further, if he did tell the coach anything about anything, what do you think he told him? Hey, I raped this girl? He is still denying he raped anyone, so in August right after the incident, do you really think he got into specifics with the coaching staff?

It just doesn't make any sense to assume these latest allegations have any teeth when 99-percent of what was initially reported about this case has proven to be untrue and there is absolutely no evidence that has been presented that any coach had any prior knowledge or attempted to impact the case in any way.

[sixerfan82]

These kids are idiots, their parents are idiots, amd i hope they get sent to prison where they will receive due justice

[Draz]

The black kid breaks down crying pathetically saying he didn't mean for it to happen or some shit like that? LOLOLOL ok. I seen a 30 second interview on him with some hoe saying the worst thing he's head people say about him was "hang up".
***** they should hang you.

[ace23]

Yep, society is not equal in the case of rape, domestic violence, child custody, divorce, etc. It's not right and it's not fair, but that's just the way it is right now in America. All men need to be on their guard in these kinds of situations because a woman can ruin your life if she wants to.
This. Unfortunate.

[Rasheed1]

Yep, society is not equal in the case of rape, domestic violence, child custody, divorce, etc. It's not right and it's not fair, but that's just the way it is right now in America. All men need to be on their guard in these kinds of situations because a woman can ruin your life if she wants to.


Men just need to have some sense...

this girl didnt ruin their lives... They threw their lives away.. F*ck them

if they werent football players? nobody would cared about their futures to begin with. You wouldnt see CNN and these people boo hooing over their futures being destroyed. Maybe now some other football players who think they can do all types of dumb sh*t and pay no price for it.. maybe they'll wake up and grow a brain. Sometimes when you f*ck up? you become an example for others not to follow in your footsteps.

People get sentenced to more time for less heinous crimes every day, and nobody worries about their futures being ruined.

they boys got carried away acting like @ssholes and they had to pay the price. I feel about as bad them as I feel for any kid who does something dumb and pays a heavy price.

Life is no joke, and if you think you can do whatever you want without repercussion? you will be in for a rude awakening

Men/boys needs to straighten up and have some common sense when dealing with women. Dont f*ck with passed out women (dont f*ck anyone while they are passed out.. I dont understand why people do that sh*t to begin with)

Dont do anything that bring shame to yourself or your name. Have some rules about how you conduct yourself, and have some common sense. These things wont happen to you if you do.. think before you act and things will be alright

[Kovach]

I got banned within 30 minutes from the democratingunderground forum for not blindly worshiping Alexandria Goddard and daring to ask for proof of her claims.

Dat democracy.

[rufuspaul]

http://i.imgur.com/uuh1Xxr.jpg


:oldlol: Chester, SC. Keep it classy South Carolina!

[9erempiree]

I hope they get that coach.

[Jackass18]

I said I wasn't impartial in a post just before the one you quoted. However, go back and read the thread from the start. I've been right on pretty much everything else. Truth is, I know A LOT more about this case than anyone here... And I actually know the people involved.

I'm pretty amazed that people are going to take these text messages to heart, coming just after the same kid said he was trying to keep the girl safe that night, along with dozens of other lies.

Further, if he did tell the coach anything about anything, what do you think he told him? Hey, I raped this girl? He is still denying he raped anyone, so in August right after the incident, do you really think he got into specifics with the coaching staff?

It just doesn't make any sense to assume these latest allegations have any teeth when 99-percent of what was initially reported about this case has proven to be untrue and there is absolutely no evidence that has been presented that any coach had any prior knowledge or attempted to impact the case in any way.

Well, with the whole Penn State thing it's going to be hard for many to give the coach a fair shake. I'll just wait for the facts to come out, but we live in a society where people love jumping to conclusions with their misguided moral outrage.

[DeuceWallaces]

Truth is, I know A LOT more about this case than anyone here... And I actually know the people involved.

Exactly why most of what you say should be taken with a huge grain of salt, and points to the very problem with this case because people like you are running their mouths on what they thought they knew about these people. You need to forget what you think you knew and start looking at the evidence, because the DA certainly will be.

There are multiple texts from multiple kids that suggest the coach knew what went down and didn't report it. Why would his own players even make something up like that? He'll rightfully go down for it if they're even half true.

[RedBlackAttack]

Exactly why most of what you say should be taken with a huge grain of salt, and points to the very problem with this case because people like you are running their mouths on what they thought they knew about these people. You need to forget what you think you knew and start looking at the evidence, because the DA certainly will be.

There are multiple texts from multiple kids that suggest the coach knew what went down and didn't report it. Why would his own players even make something up like that? He'll rightfully go down for it if they're even half true.
It is a misnomer that being in-the-know but partial somehow invalidates what someone has to say, while a person who just stumbled onto this story but may be impartial should be taken more seriously.

There aren't "multiple texts from multiple kids" showing the coach knew what happened and didn't report it. There are a couple texts from the same kid, who was just found by the court to be a liar and a rapist. The text before the one where Mays says he has Reno so he isn't worried, he was texting the girl's father telling him that he was actually trying to keep his daughter safe that night.

And, he was arguing with another Big Red student the text before that (Shawn McGee), saying he didn't rape anybody and he never touched the girl.

You are attempting to make the argument that all of this kid's other texts regarding this case were lies, but those about the coach have to be true. Why? Because people want it to be true. They want everything they've read about this case to be validated, even though the original story has been almost universally shown to have been completely made-up.

I will go through the initial points one-by-one, if you'd like. Now, people are clinging onto this last little vestige while trying to reinforce their preconceived notions about this city and the people "pulling the strings." The prosecutor has been vindicated. The county sheriff has been vindicated. The city police have been vindicated. Jim Parks, the admin for the rollredroll.com site has been vindicated. Tons of kids who were said to have been involved in some made-up gang rape have been vindicated.

Now, all that's left is the coach and there are a lot of people holding on tight.

I've known right from the start all of this is nonsense and this is just the latest example, which will result in absolutely nothing (and rightfully so). But, the rumors and innuendo will never be able to be taken away. Someone said it, so it must be true.


This kid denied to every person he talked with in the days following the parties that he raped anyone. Yet, we are to believe he went to the coach in the three days which transpired after the rape and before the girl's parents went to the police and the investigation begin... He used that lag time to explain to him exactly what happened that night and that he raped a girl... And he needed help covering it up. It isn't even remotely logical.

Fact is, because I know people close to this thing, the kids were called into the school office and were talked to by both the principal and the coach. They denied even being at the parties, let alone being drunk... Let alone committing a rape... Let alone asking for it to be covered up.

Reno has told a lot better players than Trent Mays to get out of his lockerroom and never come back for wearing earrings and cornrows, let alone something like this.

Think of me what you will, but I told people when this thing broke that a lot of garbage was being spewed and that was proven in court. I'm saying it again... watch what happens.

[9erempiree]

Reno has told a lot better players than Trent Mays to get out of his lockerroom and never come back for wearing earrings and cornrows, let alone something like this.


If the coach went as far as kicking players off his team just to keep a certain image than he is more likely to cover up something as rape. That would destroy a program and his career.

Do you really think Reno is rational because he's kicking kids off a team with cornrows and earrings? Really?

[Lebron23]

These morons are a bunch of immature, uncivilized, ugly looking d1ckheads. I wish Karma will bite them inside the prison cell.

[9erempiree]

Time to lock up this sick coach. He is worse than Paterno. I hope they lock him up and throw away the keys. There is evidence and now the facts have came out with these kids convicted of rape, there will be evidence of Reno's guilt too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295419/Reno-Saccoccia-charges-Steubenville-football-coach-face-charges-failing-report-rape-told-star-players-hed-make-away.html

[9erempiree]

The guy with the Big Red Football site is kind of shady. I remember researching last year and the convicted rapist were on the site. He slowly took it off.

Interesting, because this will tell whether the kids continued to play or not after being accused.

[Lebron23]

Time to lock up this sick coach. He is worse than Paterno. I hope they lock him up and throw away the keys. There is evidence and now the facts have came out with these kids convicted of rape, there will be evidence of Reno's guilt too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295419/Reno-Saccoccia-charges-Steubenville-football-coach-face-charges-failing-report-rape-told-star-players-hed-make-away.html


I'll contact anonymous Philippines. We are going to make him famous.

[9erempiree]

ISH has great detectives/researchers and I am no different. Here's something I didn't know about the town that I found on wiki.


Steubenville has had a reputation for political corruption. The U.S. Department of Justice alleged that the city and police force had subjected numerous individuals to "excessive force, false arrests, charges, and reports" and had engaged in practices regarding "improper stops, searches, and seizures." The report from the Department also stated that excessive force was levied against individuals who witnessed incidents of police misconduct, and against those who were known critics of the city and its police force. Those individuals were also falsely detained if the city and the police agreed that they were "likely to complain of abuse." It also stated that the officers involved also falsified reports and tampered with official police recorders so that "misconduct would not be recorded."

Over a period of 20 years the city lost, or settled out of court, 48 civil rights lawsuits involving its police force. The city paid out more than $800,000, $400,000 of which was between 1990 and 1996. As a result, the city's police force became the second city in the United States to sign a consent decree with the federal government due to an excessive number of civil rights lawsuits. The decree was signed on September 4, 1997 under the "pattern or practice" provision. Under this agreement, the city agreed to improve the training of its police officers, implement new guidelines and procedures, establish an internal affairs unit, and establish an "early warning system.

[9erempiree]

It is a misnomer that being in-the-know but partial somehow invalidates what someone has to say, while a person who just stumbled onto this story but may be impartial should be taken more seriously.

There aren't "multiple texts from multiple kids" showing the coach knew what happened and didn't report it. There are a couple texts from the same kid, who was just found by the court to be a liar and a rapist. The text before the one where Mays says he has Reno so he isn't worried, he was texting the girl's father telling him that he was actually trying to keep his daughter safe that night.

And, he was arguing with another Big Red student the text before that (Shawn McGee), saying he didn't rape anybody and he never touched the girl.

You are attempting to make the argument that all of this kid's other texts regarding this case were lies, but those about the coach have to be true. Why? Because people want it to be true. They want everything they've read about this case to be validated, even though the original story has been almost universally shown to have been completely made-up.

I will go through the initial points one-by-one, if you'd like. Now, people are clinging onto this last little vestige while trying to reinforce their preconceived notions about this city and the people "pulling the strings." The prosecutor has been vindicated. The county sheriff has been vindicated. The city police have been vindicated. Jim Parks, the admin for the rollredroll.com site has been vindicated. Tons of kids who were said to have been involved in some made-up gang rape have been vindicated.

Now, all that's left is the coach and there are a lot of people holding on tight.

I've known right from the start all of this is nonsense and this is just the latest example, which will result in absolutely nothing (and rightfully so). But, the rumors and innuendo will never be able to be taken away. Someone said it, so it must be true.


This kid denied to every person he talked with in the days following the parties that he raped anyone. Yet, we are to believe he went to the coach in the three days which transpired after the rape and before the girl's parents went to the police and the investigation begin... He used that lag time to explain to him exactly what happened that night and that he raped a girl... And he needed help covering it up. It isn't even remotely logical.

Fact is, because I know people close to this thing, the kids were called into the school office and were talked to by both the principal and the coach. They denied even being at the parties, let alone being drunk... Let alone committing a rape... Let alone asking for it to be covered up.

Reno has told a lot better players than Trent Mays to get out of his lockerroom and never come back for wearing earrings and cornrows, let alone something like this.

Think of me what you will, but I told people when this thing broke that a lot of garbage was being spewed and that was proven in court. I'm saying it again... watch what happens.

As much of an opinion you have on the case and your affiliation with the town, I don't think you should comment on this situation.

You could be like all of the people there who were raised or ending up assimilating the Steubenville culture. You have adopted their culture.

We have chatted on this thread dating back to when it was made and you have yet to show any remorse or care for the victim. This is after the kids were convicted of rape.

I have yet to see any sorrow from you or sadness of what has happened. You have went on to defend the coach and the town but have yet to feel pain and sympathy for the victim and her family.

:facepalm

[Lebron23]

The town needs a real life Dirty Harry.

[9erempiree]

The town needs a real life Dirty Harry.

Either that or let's pray their economy gets so bad to the point that the population starts leaving.

[Kovach]

As much of an opinion you have on the case and your affiliation with the town, I don't think you should comment on this situation.

I'd rather listen to the voice of reason than people jumping to conclusions based on mere rumors. Nothing that he stated so far has been shown to be false. Quite the opposite.


We have chatted on this thread dating back to when it was made and you have yet to show any remorse or care for the victim. This is after the kids were convicted of rape.

I have yet to see any sorrow from you or sadness of what has happened. You have went on to defend the coach and the town but have yet to feel pain and sympathy for the victim and her family.

I've seen him do it multiple times. Can you read basic English?

[Droid101]

Nail that coach and the parents who let this shit go down to the wall. **** them!


Seriously this is getting out of control...I need to talk to you please text me back.'

But while Mays adopted a desperate and hectoring tone when texting his victim he is far less concerned in a text to a friend.

In response to the question: 'What did Reno say to you...?'

He said: 'Nothing really. We have to stay in for a week. Next time any of us do anything we are suspended from games for a month.

'But I feel like he took care of it for us.

'Yeh he was joking about it so I'm not worried.'

The next day Mays texted another friend: 'Na IDGAF (I don't give a f***) I got Reno he took care of it ain't s*** gonna happen even if xxx did take it to court.'




She said: 'Coach Reno saying he would testify for those boys, saying he was so proud of them, that speaks volumes.'

Saccoccia refused to even bench his stars at first, telling the principal and school superintendent that the players did not think they had done anything wrong and therefore he had no reason to suspend them from the team.


What a piece of shit.

[RedBlackAttack]

What a piece of shit.
You realize neither Mays nor Richmond played a single game, right? And, the other kids who ended up being witnesses for the prosecution denied being at the parties.

Once they went public and told their real stories, they were suspended from school and kicked off of the team.

So much misinformation.

[RedBlackAttack]

As much of an opinion you have on the case and your affiliation with the town, I don't think you should comment on this situation.

You could be like all of the people there who were raised or ending up assimilating the Steubenville culture. You have adopted their culture.

We have chatted on this thread dating back to when it was made and you have yet to show any remorse or care for the victim. This is after the kids were convicted of rape.

I have yet to see any sorrow from you or sadness of what has happened. You have went on to defend the coach and the town but have yet to feel pain and sympathy for the victim and her family.

:facepalm
I don't think you're worth discussing this with, to be totally honest. I only respond to those on here whom I have a modicum of respect for. You were posting such stupid stuff, I honestly thought you were trolling.

[tpols]

There are a couple texts from the same kid, who was just found by the court to be a liar and a rapist.

If there were proven texts from that kid to the coach about the incident then what does the kid being a liar have to do with anything? Sexual assault happened. And the coach had information about it. The kid mightve lied about stuff and destroyed his reputation personally, but the coach had info that he didnt report. How can this be spinned?

[RedBlackAttack]

If there were proven texts from that kid to the coach about the incident then what does the kid being a liar have to do with anything?
This is how misinformation gets spread. There were NO texts from the kid to the coach or vice versa. The kid was texting one of his friends. I don't even think Reno knows how to text.

[tpols]

This is how misinformation gets spread. There were NO texts from the kid to the coach or vice versa. The kid was texting one of his friends. I don't even think Reno knows how to text.
True. I thought they caught it direct. Hard to do anything otherwise.

[RedBlackAttack]

True. I thought they caught it direct. Hard to do anything otherwise.
...because it doesn't make any sense. Think about it for a minute, this kid lied to every person on the planet, including his own parents about what happened that night. But, the people pushing this false narrative want us to believe that he immediately spilled his guts to his coach -- who is a notorious hard @ss -- and asked for it to be covered up?

What actually happened was, the principal and coaching staff called the kids in and the kids denied being at the party or having any involvement. They covered each other's butts and vouched for one another.

Once the police got involved, they specifically told the coaching staff not to make any moves with suspensions until they had a chance to conduct an investigation.

This is why nothing will come of this, and rightfully so. I'm just asking people to wait and watch. That's all.

[bmulls]

You realize neither Mays nor Richmond played a single game, right? And, the other kids who ended up being witnesses for the prosecution denied being at the parties.

Once they went public and told their real stories, they were suspended from school and kicked off of the team.

So much misinformation.

Shhh, get your facts out of here. They want a witch hunt and they're going to have one god damn it.

[Droid101]

Once they went public and told their real stories, they were suspended from school and kicked off of the team.

LOL

Yeah, and before they went public, and a lone Steubenville girl was trying to collect the evidence, and Anonymous was trying to get the world to see, they were playing and going along with their lives just fine with everyone else in that shithole town knowing about it.

You're as bad as the enabling parents and coaches. Maybe we should have the Grand Jury ask you some questions.

[Quizno]

do you guys even read RBA's posts? reading comprehension here is straight up embarrassing :oldlol:

[PrettyCool]

LOL

Yeah, and before they went public, and a lone Steubenville girl was trying to collect the evidence, and Anonymous was trying to get the world to see, they were playing and going along with their lives just fine with everyone else in that shithole town knowing about it.

You're as bad as the enabling parents and coaches. Maybe we should have the Grand Jury ask you some questions.

You're a retard.

[Kovach]

LOL

Yeah, and before they went public, and a lone Steubenville girl was trying to collect the evidence, and Anonymous was trying to get the world to see, they were playing and going along with their lives just fine with everyone else in that shithole town knowing about it.


They were arrested 10 days after the incident, and Anonymous found out about it 3 months later. What the hell are you talking about?

You're as bad as the enabling parents and coaches. Maybe we should have the Grand Jury ask you some questions.
No point dragging the Grand Jury into it when we can solve this matter by simply having you turn your brain on.

[Droid101]

The two guys arrested were sophomores and had never taken a single snap for Big Red and never will.

So RBA... those guys were booted from the team immediately right? And would never be playing for the team again due to their gross misconduct right?

http://www.wtrf.com/story/26248983/teen-convicted-in-steubenville-rape-back-on-football-roster


Ma'Lik Richmond, one of two teens convicted in the rape of a 16-year-old girl in Steubenville, is back on the roster of the Steubenville Big Red football team.

Richmond was found delinquent of raping a 16-year-old girl in March 2013, and must register as a Tier II sex offender every 180 days for 20 years.

Richmond was released from an Ohio Juvenile Detention Center on January 6, 2014, and in June of this year, the 7th District Court of Appeals upheld his sexual offender classification.
Class act organization all around. Well played.

[Droid101]

Wonder how RBA will play this one.
He'll either ignore the post, or say there are just a few bad apples on the staff that let him back on, or say that he served his time and should be allowed back into society unhindered.

/Bad grades? Cut from the team.
/Smoke pot? Cut from the team.
/Rape a girl? Back on the team after a little time out.






****ing shameful sports-first society in that shit town, period. RBA should be ashamed of himself for ever supporting them. **** him.

[Droid101]

Hmmm... I thought Sex Offenders couldn't come within a certain amount of feet of schools. Why does this guy get a free pass?

Oh yeah, because he's an athlete. Totally forgot!

[9erempiree]

That whole entire area are filled with pieces of crap and scum.

Their head coach is in on it too.

No surprise the kid got back on the team. I may have been right once again. I have to go back and read this thread again. I think I said he will be back and the scum head coach does not care.

[9erempiree]

So its pretty much official that Droid and I, 9erempriee, have officially won this discussion.

Bookmarked.

[East_Stone_Ya]

So its pretty much official that Droid and I, 9erempriee, have officially won this discussion.

Bookmarked.

you take internet way too seriously :oldlol: