D'antoni responds to Amare's comments

[Purch]

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[Rockets(T-mac)]

:oldlol:

[tpols]

Damn D'Antoni's getting straight clowned. :lol Hopefully it kicks him in the ass to start changing his philosophies.

[IGOTGAME]

Woodson prob only has 20 min of practice to coach defense. Plus, he was bound by Mike D's offensive philosophy.

I can't stand that he is the Lakers head coach.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'No D' throwing daggers :oldlol:

[Levity]

mike dantoni getting defensive...

how ironic

:lol

[gigantes]

Damn D'Antoni's getting straight clowned. :lol Hopefully it kicks him in the ass to start changing his philosophies.
sounds like amare's the one getting straight clowned. basically made himself look like an idiot, and not for the first time, either.

say what you want about d'antoni's system, but he handled that exchange perfectly.

[StroShow4]

Can't believe you guys are trying to clown D'Antoni here. If Amare gave a f@ck about defense, he'd play it. It's like 80% effort.

[IGOTGAME]

Can't believe you guys are trying to clown D'Antoni here. If Amare gave a f@ck about defense, he'd play it. It's like 80% effort.

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.

[Pushxx]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.

Really? Be serious man, he's never cared to play defense.

Don't make up excuses. You don't think he could learn if he tried? There are hundreds of coaches or legends who would teach him.

He goes to Hakeem for offense but can't find anybody for defense?

[boozehound]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.
well first of all, there is a difference between not emphasized and discouraged.
second, I cannot believe anyone would defend a long standing league vet acting like hes never had the opportunity to learn basic defensive positioning and such. Sure, defense is more than effort, but it starts with effort. The problem with dudes like a'ma'r'e' is that they were raised to think of basketball as the showboating offensive stuff. no one gets a highlight reel for a great boxout or denying a pass.

It starts and ends with attitude, and amare doesnt have it

[TylerOO]

We practiced D for half an hour!!!!!

[Whoah10115]

The people trying to clown D'Antoni on this one are clowning themselves. Amare clowned himself.



Please. IGOTGAME...you have to do better than what you're doing. You sound so retarded in every one of these threads.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.
You and I cannot guard Chris Paul because we do not have the talent and athleticism to do so. Amare has the talent to guard any power forward in the league. Because at one point he was the most athletic player in the league. He really just doesn't care and when it comes to guarding guys like Tim Duncan it mostly came down to Amare being an idiot.

[LoneyROY7]

D'Antoni is right on with this one.

[Real Men Wear Green]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.
There's definitely strategy to it and fundamentals a big man has to learn but at the core of every good defender you have a guy that hustles. There are guys that make mental errors here and there but still defend well because they're just trying so hard. You will not find any good defenders that aren't trying, not at the NBA level. I don't want to call STAT lazy but I will say that he's always had a much higher focus on offense than on defense. Some of that is the fault of the guy that coached him when he was a young player but if STAT had it in him to go Rodman out there with his massive athletic gifts (when he had them) he would have been a good defender as a young player through sheer effort.

[ShaqAttack3234]

This isn't a complete excuse for Amare, but D'Antoni's track record speaks for itself. There's no reason for the Lakers to be as bad as they are defensively. He's just not a good NBA coach. He had the 3 years where he had the ideal roster for his system, and a shit load of talent. Without that ideal roster, even a shit load of talent isn't enough. He's been exposed, he's just terrible for most teams.

[GOBB]

This was the best defense Mike has ever implemented. :roll:

Amare didnt go to 6,7,8 high schools for nothing. Guy is just dumb.

[BlueandGold]

Garbage offensive system, no resemblance of any type of defensive system much less philosophy and will get picked up/totally out-coached in the half-court.

[ShaqAttack3234]

This was the best defense Mike has ever implemented. :roll:

Amare didnt go to 6,7,8 high schools for nothing. Guy is just dumb.

I'm not going to argue about Amare's intelligence, but don't you think his situation as a child may have had something to do with it? His mother was constantly in legal trouble and his father died young. It's certainly easy to see why someone may not have the easiest time focusing on school or caring about it. I'm not saying that was the reason, I have no way of knowing. But it's as plausible as your explanation.

[IGOTGAME]

well first of all, there is a difference between not emphasized and discouraged.
second, I cannot believe anyone would defend a long standing league vet acting like hes never had the opportunity to learn basic defensive positioning and such. Sure, defense is more than effort, but it starts with effort. The problem with dudes like a'ma'r'e' is that they were raised to think of basketball as the showboating offensive stuff. no one gets a highlight reel for a great boxout or denying a pass.

It starts and ends with attitude, and amare doesnt have it


Amare wasn't coached as a young player. He didn't pick up a ball until 14/15. He only played 2 years of high school basketball. The guy was raw coming into the league and he was raw when DAntoni got him. DAntoni's system encourages his team to give up easy baskets at time to get fast breaks going....that is discouraging defense!!! His whole career has basically been in a system that thinks playing hard defense is not conducive to winning basketball games.

But lets look at Amare's "effort" ?
-Shows up ever year in tip top shape. Even after multiple career threatening injuries.
-Plays with intensity ever game
-Added a deadly jumpshot to his arsenal.
-Became a marginally better post player.

Certain things aren't going to change with effort. He was never going to be able to guard the center position in Phx, due to a lack of size, not effort. When you have a young guy like Amare, they put precedence on what there coach wants. Coach D wanted Amare to stretch the defense and attack. That is what he improved upon. Coach D never had a problem with his defense.....if he had a problem with it I'm sure Amare would have tried to fix it, that is how he has addressed every other issue during his time in the NBA.

But this defense is 80% effort thing is a joke(its 80% natural attributes including stamina and maybe 20% effort because if you don't have the attributes than the effort doesn't matter) put out there by guys who don't play basketball. Sorry, but if you are better than someone than they can go as hard as they want and it doesn't matter. You just use there aggressiveness against them. And Amare's problem isn't effort, it is understanding, anticipation and saavy. It is almost like no one sat down and taught him how to rotate in an NBA level defense. This is something that Amare, someone who may not be the most intelligent guy, may be able to do by himself and not during practice.

[Rekindled]

Garbage offensive system, no resemblance of any type of defensive system much less philosophy and will get picked up/totally out-coached in the half-court.


except dantoni had one of the most efficient half court offense in nba history.

good to see people pulling random facts out of there a$$ though

[GOBB]

I'm not going to argue about Amare's intelligence, but don't you think his situation as a child may have had something to do with it? His mother was constantly in legal trouble and his father died young. It's certainly easy to see why someone may not have the easiest time focusing on school or caring about it. I'm not saying that was the reason, I have no way of knowing. But it's as plausible as your explanation.

Thats fair.

[LoneyROY7]

Amare wasn't coached as a young player. He didn't pick up a ball until 14/15. He only played 2 years of high school basketball. The guy was raw coming into the league and he was raw when DAntoni got him. DAntoni's system encourages his team to give up easy baskets at time to get fast breaks going....that is discouraging defense!!! His whole career has basically been in a system that thinks playing hard defense is not conducive to winning basketball games.

But lets look at Amare's "effort" ?
-Shows up ever year in tip top shape. Even after multiple career threatening injuries.
-Plays with intensity ever game
-Added a deadly jumpshot to his arsenal.
-Became a marginally better post player.

Certain things aren't going to change with effort. He was never going to be able to guard the center position in Phx, due to a lack of size, not effort. When you have a young guy like Amare, they put precedence on what there coach wants. Coach D wanted Amare to stretch the defense and attack. That is what he improved upon. Coach D never had a problem with his defense.....if he had a problem with it I'm sure Amare would have tried to fix it, that is how he has addressed every other issue during his time in the NBA.

But this defense is 80% effort thing is a joke(its 80% natural attributes including stamina and maybe 20% effort because if you don't have the attributes than the effort doesn't matter) put out there by guys who don't play basketball. Sorry, but if you are better than someone than they can go as hard as they want and it doesn't matter. You just use there aggressiveness against them. And Amare's problem isn't effort, it is understanding, anticipation and saavy. It is almost like no one sat down and taught him how to rotate in an NBA level defense. This is something that Amare, someone who may not be the most intelligent guy, may be able to do by himself and not during practice.

It's called hiring a coach in the off-season to help teach you...kind of like what Amare did with Hakeem for his post-game, no?

[CavaliersFTW]

D'Antonis instinctive defensive response is say something "offensive" :oldlol:

[Blue&Orange]

Really? Be serious man, he's never cared to play defense.

Don't make up excuses. You don't think he could learn if he tried? There are hundreds of coaches or legends who would teach him.

He goes to Hakeem for offense but can't find anybody for defense?
lol he was urged by Woodson! It was Woodson that said Amare had to improve his post game! D'Antoni was making Amare a jump shooter and a stretch four, because Knicks had Chandler, Woodson said **** that shit, i want you in the paint.


“Coach Woodson wanted to develop my post game and he knew I had it in me,” Stoudemire told Fox 26 in Houston (via *********). “He called up a good friend, Hakeem, and Hakeem said, ‘sure, no problem.’”

The coach pushed Amare to become better offensively and defensively.

D'Antoni put Amare playing as a center because of the offensive mismatches, with all the space in the world, the other 4 guys behind the 3 point line, spoon fed by nash, and said to him, you're fine, you're a great player, nothing wrong with you, don't worry about defense.

I can't imagine another scenario more detrimental to Amare for growing as a player than having D'Antoni as the coach and being spoon fed by Nash.

D'Antoni is hack in every sense of the word, Jalen Rose asking him about defense, and D'Antoni saying it didn't matter is priceless.

I don't understand how is Pringles clowning Amare, it was pretty obvious to anyone Amare did improved defensively last year. Pringles is losing it.


I've said it like one year ago, Amare is going to improve a lot for his age, because now he is finally being coached.

[IGOTGAME]

It's called hiring a coach in the off-season to help teach you...kind of like what Amare did with Hakeem for his post-game, no?

1. When you work for an employer/coach --> you focus on what the coach wants you to do. That is why these guys have exit meetings every year. If the coach wants him focusing on shooting 3s then that is what he would do.

2. Its really hard to improve on defense by just hiring a coach. You need shell drills and NBA 5 on 5 competition. You aren't going to get better just going 1 on 1 in informal comp or playing non NBA level guys.

Defense is a very hard thing to improve upon as an NBA big man.

[Teanett]

It's called hiring a coach in the off-season to help teach you...kind of like what Amare did with Hakeem for his post-game, no?

and he did so, because the knicks need an post presence.
because he wanted to tweak his game to fit with melo and tyson.
because woody told him so.
i bet you d'antoni NEVER told him to put in extra work on his d.

[LamarOdom]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.

Amare has been played out of position for his entire career(remember no college) in a system that would often give up easy baskets in order to start a fastbreaks. It really not a wonder why he isnt a good defender, defense was freakin discouraged for his first 6 years in the NBA.

Two of the greatest defenders in our generation never went to college, KG and Dwight. Jermaine O'neal is also a good example.

Kobe one of the best perimeter defenders in his prime never went to college, that's no excuse.

[ZenMaster]

Is Amare Stoudemire smart?

A common trait among good defenders is that they're smart and can handle multiple tasks at the same time.

[Myth]

LOL at defense being 80% effort. Why don't you go and try really hard and guard Chris Paul, I'm sure that will work.


Well, when you are a relatively well matched physical specimen like Amare is versus most other bigs in the league, much of it does come down to effort. Also, it takes effort to learn the D, which Amare has not done.

[Teanett]

Two of the greatest defenders in our generation never went to college, KG and Dwight. Jermaine O'neal is also a good example.

Kobe one of the best perimeter defenders in his prime never went to college, that's no excuse.

though you have to consider that kobe is a big guard and kg started as a small forward.

in amar'e's case, he was always asked to give up size on d in order to be able to outrun the opponent's center.
whenever he put 40 points on duncan, duncan would put 30 on him...

[rmt]

Amare wasn't coached as a young player. He didn't pick up a ball until 14/15. He only played 2 years of high school basketball. The guy was raw coming into the league and he was raw when DAntoni got him. DAntoni's system encourages his team to give up easy baskets at time to get fast breaks going....that is discouraging defense!!! His whole career has basically been in a system that thinks playing hard defense is not conducive to winning basketball games.

But lets look at Amare's "effort" ?
-Shows up ever year in tip top shape. Even after multiple career threatening injuries.
-Plays with intensity ever game
-Added a deadly jumpshot to his arsenal.
-Became a marginally better post player.

Certain things aren't going to change with effort. He was never going to be able to guard the center position in Phx, due to a lack of size, not effort. When you have a young guy like Amare, they put precedence on what there coach wants. Coach D wanted Amare to stretch the defense and attack. That is what he improved upon. Coach D never had a problem with his defense.....if he had a problem with it I'm sure Amare would have tried to fix it, that is how he has addressed every other issue during his time in the NBA.

But this defense is 80% effort thing is a joke(its 80% natural attributes including stamina and maybe 20% effort because if you don't have the attributes than the effort doesn't matter) put out there by guys who don't play basketball. Sorry, but if you are better than someone than they can go as hard as they want and it doesn't matter. You just use there aggressiveness against them. And Amare's problem isn't effort, it is understanding, anticipation and saavy. It is almost like no one sat down and taught him how to rotate in an NBA level defense. This is something that Amare, someone who may not be the most intelligent guy, may be able to do by himself and not during practice.

I'm not a fan of Amare. My outstanding memory of him is doing push-ups after scoring on Duncan and Nash having to come over and lift him up. If, as you say, he's just DUMB and has never been taught/mentored by those around him (parents, relatives, coach, team mates, etc.), then it's understandable why he's never actively sought out learning defense.

Mike D'Antoni and Nash (who should know better but I guess loved D'Antoni's system since it showcased HIS talents and got him 2 MVPs) were understandably not interested in defense, but Steve Kerr (GM) must know how important it is as a former Bull and Spur. Why was there no big man mentor (like Ewing with DH, or KAJ with Bynum)? Must be because of the SSOL system. If LAL didn't have more than their share of luck, I'd pity them for having D'Antoni as a coach.

[LamarOdom]

though you have to consider that kobe is a big guard and kg started as a small forward.

in amar'e's case, he was always asked to give up size on d in order to be able to outrun the opponent's center.
whenever he put 40 points on duncan, duncan would put 30 on him...

I'm pretty sure Amar'e and Dwight is as tall, Dwight might even be shorter.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I'm pretty sure Amar'e and Dwight is as tall, Dwight might even be shorter.
Yeah pretty much. Duncan is actually close to 7 foot. And Amare is like 6-10 but Amare is stronger and more athletic. No excuses. You are too dumb to play defense and if it weren't for athleticism you wouldn't be in the NBA. And he is getting paid way too much.

[Mach_3]

But lets look at Amare's "effort" ?
-Shows up ever year in tip top shape. Even after multiple career threatening injuries.
-Plays with intensity ever game
-Added a deadly jumpshot to his arsenal.
-Became a marginally better post player.

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Not on defense he doesn't. No matter what excuse you come up with defense is about WANT at the end of the day. And Amare just doesn't want it, in the 8 or whatever years i've watched this man play basketball i have never ONCE seen him give a consistent effort to guard his man and stop him from scoring and that is the reason why he will never be even an average defender, not because Dantoni discouraged it but because he doesn't want it enough.

[Mach_3]

Yeah pretty much. Duncan is actually close to 7 foot. And Amare is like 6-10 but Amare is stronger and more athletic. No excuses. You are too dumb to play defense and if it weren't for athleticism you wouldn't be in the NBA. And he is getting paid way too much.


At no point in his career was Amare Stoudemire ever stronger than Tim Duncan.

[IGOTGAME]

Not on defense he doesn't. No matter what excuse you come up with defense is about WANT at the end of the day. And Amare just doesn't want it, in the 8 or whatever years i've watched this man play basketball i have never ONCE seen him give a consistent effort to guard his man and stop him from scoring and that is the reason why he will never be even an average defender, not because Dantoni discouraged it but because he doesn't want it enough.

this "want" stuff is such a joke. go guard Russel Westbrook, I'm sure you can because you got that "want."

this is like the new street hunger.

[Mach_3]

this "want" stuff is such a joke. go guard Russel Westbrook, I'm sure you can because you got that "want."

this is like the new street hunger.


Have you ever played basketball at the college level? or even high school level? The best defenders at any level of basketball will always be a mix of body type (height/length + coordination) and how badly they want to stop the guy in front of them. Mostly the latter. Like others said i'm willing to bet Amare doesn't try/isn't a good defender because playing good defense will never be glorified at the park or in the gym. Everyone wants to see 360 dunks and sh1t not Shane Battier locking up Kobe

Give me Russell Westbrook's height/wingspan and a large stack of money on how many stops i can get and i'll put him on shackles or at least stop him a good amount of the time.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

At no point in his career was Amare Stoudemire ever stronger than Tim Duncan.
I think when it came to upper body strength they were kind of a push. But Tim Duncan's trump card was always his wing span and bank shot.

[rhythmic]

D'Antoni thinks he's Phil Jackson or Greg Pop these days, calling out his team and stars around the league. This guy needs to shut his mouth and coach. So far he has been a disaster.

Lakers were 4-1 under their interim coach and all he did was let the team play (even without Nash). The pace was slower and they utilized the half-court offense far more effectively. They allowed far fewer points because they didn't have to run for 48 minutes and actually preserved the energy.

MD was a terrible decision for this time in hindsight, I was pretty optimistic at first but I am starting to hate this decision because the guy is a very one-dimensional coach.

[IGOTGAME]

Have you ever played basketball at the college level? or even high school level? The best defenders at any level of basketball will always be a mix of body type (height/length + coordination) and how badly they want to stop the guy in front of them. Mostly the latter. Like others said i'm willing to bet Amare doesn't try/isn't a good defender because playing good defense will never be glorified at the park or in the gym. Everyone wants to see 360 dunks and sh1t not Shane Battier locking up Kobe

Give me Russell Westbrook's height/wingspan and a large stack of money on how many stops i can get and i'll put him on shackles or at least stop him a good amount of the time.

yes, I have played on the college level.

but you don't have his height/wingspan all you have is "WANT." Since "defense is about WANT at the end of the day," nothing else should matter.

Defense is about first having the ability to be a good defender. That is a mix of anticipation, coordination, bball iq, saavy and body control. No matter what Kyle Korver was going to do he wasn't going to be all nba defense...WANT isn't the biggest component to defense.

[Rake2204]

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[Heavincent]

I'm not a big fan of D'Antoni as a coach, but I love his asshole mentality. He got Amare good with that one :lol

[IGOTGAME]

I'm not a big fan of D'Antoni as a coach, but I love his asshole mentality. He got Amare good with that one :lol

amare should just start quoting Howards comments during the next presser, then point to the Lakers record and then put up a countdown until he is fired again.

[Whoah10115]

amare should just start quoting Howards comments during the next presser, then point to the Lakers record and then put up a countdown until he is fired again.



One track mind.

[IGOTGAME]

One track mind.

actual retard.

[Whoah10115]

actual retard.


That's your track? I never called you retarded.


You may have even had a point, but you're so obsessed with repeating the same thing that you repeat it at all costs. D'Antoni could give you CPR and you'd spit out no defense. It's with everything you say and it's just annoying.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well D'Antoni is a bad defensive coach, but Amare sure has his own problem. He should've learned defense way before coming into the league, not to blame his NBA coach for not teaching him lol.

[I<3NBA]

D'Antoni ethered Amare. i don't see how D'Antoni got clowned.

[spiegel]

He comes back with some zingers at times. Remember when they asked him why he dosent play rookies like Jordan Hill and he replied " i only play good rookies". lol