Tipping at restaurants?

[BMOGEFan]

Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?

I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.

Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them

No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.

People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.

[BlueCrayon]

Tipping works to the customer's favor because it gives the waiter a better reason to provide you with better service.

[Budadiiii]

Minimum Wage plus tips? Hmmm

[red1]

tipping is a city in china

[BMOGEFan]

They make less than minimum wage per hour. Like, ~$3/hr or so.

Not in california. Waiters and waitress MUST make minimum wage which is $8

[BMOGEFan]

Tipping works to the customer's favor because it gives the waiter a better reason to provide you with better service.

Shouldn't the threat of being fired from the job enough to give customer's service? Their job isn't even difficult at all.

I mean customer's service representatives don't get tips, but they must give you good service or face the threat of being terminated.

[BMOGEFan]

Maybe they don't have to tip in California.

Yes you do...people demand 15%

[BMOGEFan]

There are 7 states that pay minimum: http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#.UOkEs2872ok

I wouldn't tip in those states.

That's what i'm saying...why should I tip when they are already paid a wage. No other occupation gets tipped.

[Myth]

Tipping works to the customer's favor because it gives the waiter a better reason to provide you with better service.

This. Without tipping, you can get the waiter that half asses everything and they have no repercussions. Many other places it is easier to walk away if you don't like the service, but you are expected to pay for your food once you order it, so you are essentially stuck with that server until you leave, so you want that server to be motivated.

[Stuckey]

I tip 10% because the servers make 10.25 in Canada

unless the restaurant is busy as hell and they give me good service, I dont go above 10

but if they are fineeee as hell dressing like high class escorts and smiling a lot with good service, then a 15 is mandatory

[BurningHammer]

Being in this business and seeing that there are so many jerks that tip small to none among good customers, I am now trying to tip more than 10% when I dine out, and everyone should do the same.

[sixerfan82]

Lesson 1: Understand that essentially you have a 'servant' for a small period of time(ie: 1 hour)

Lesson 2: Understand that this servant must oblige with your every wish for fear that you ask for their manager because you (had a bad date, think the waiter/tress looked at you wrong, hate your life, other bs reason)

Lesson 3: It's a service, they bring you food, you give them money, besides, you're spending $55 on food, is an extra $7.50 going to kill you?


I usually tip my bartender at least 5 bucks when i go there, they treat my ass like royalty too, gave her a $20 xmas tip too

[DeuceWallaces]

Stop being a cheap loser and tip the people.

[Pra]

I always tip 15% as long as the server is doing their job. It's tedious and I wouldn't like to be in their shoes. (only time I don't tip is when they are AWFUL and provide bad customer service)

If they exceed the standard I'll give them anywhere from 20-25%

Not too long ago I spent $30 bucks ordering pizzas and wings on papajohns website and I decided to add a 10 dollar tip to the order. The delivery person was extremely content about that he brought us two 2 liter soda's on the house.

[iamgine]

Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?

I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.

Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them

No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.

People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.
There's no reason for it really when they make minimum wage. It's just the American culture to tip waiters. So just tip because it's part of the culture.

[Loneshot]

Expecting/begging for tips in a job where you make a shit wage without tips is like the douche equivalent of being on welfare. You're still asking for a handout, except you feel entitled to complain when you don't get one.

I usually tip around 25%, if not a bit more, but i still find it hilarious how often this topic is made and how "people in this industry" come off like complete assholes about not getting tipped. No one but you put yourself in the position where you are dependent on your fellow men for a handout. If they choose not to give it, don't spite them and badmouth them online. How about use that energy towards having the ambition to find better employment where you aren't guilt tripping people into giving you more. You're the type of people that make me not want to tip just to say **** you and your attitude. But i choose not to group every waiter/pizza delivery with the likes of you, because i'm not looking for a reason to be a bitch like those bitching about not getting tips.

[Stuckey]

most countries are not as spoiled and fortunate to even sniff a 10% tip

[Stuckey]

Expecting/begging for tips in a job where you make a shit wage without tips is like the douche equivalent of being on welfare. You're still asking for a handout, except you feel entitled to complain when you don't get one.

I usually tip around 25%, if not a bit more, but i still find it hilarious how often this topic is made and how "people in this industry" come off like complete assholes about not getting tipped. No one but you put yourself in the position where you are dependent on your fellow men for a handout. If they choose not to give it, don't spite them and badmouth them online. How about use that energy towards having the ambition to find better employment where you aren't guilt tripping people into giving you more. You're the type of people that make me not want to tip just to say **** you and your attitude. But i choose not to group every waiter/pizza delivery with the likes of you, because i'm not looking for a reason to be a bitch like those bitching about not getting tips.

wow you are generous, 15% is more than fair

[Pushxx]

In MA, waiters make noticeably less than minimum wage. I generally tip 25%.

I'm familiar with the food service industry, and the disrespect from patrons is widespread. I'm pleasant and I get always that in return. Better for everyone and my food and service is always legit.

For pizza places and the like, always drop a tip because non-tippers are remembered. A friend manages a pizza shop. The workers sabotage asshole non-tippers' food if they order again.

Especially if you call a place regularly, they will remember whether or not you tip well. In most joints, good tippers get better food. Built-in incentives that benefit everyone. Paying 5% extra on your bill is a small price to pay at places you frequent.

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

What I hate is tipping bartenders.

It's there ****ing job. Pour liquor in cup.

[Myth]

What I hate is tipping bartenders.

It's there ****ing job. Pour liquor in cup.

I agree with this one. If you buy a quick drink, they poor it in about 20 seconds and their job is done. I do understand tipping bar tenders if it is busy and they seem to do their best at getting to you quickly rather than overlooking you over and over.

Essentially, whether it is waiters/waitresses or bartenders, tip should only be necessary if their job at the moment includes frequently checking on you to see if you need anything.

[Pushxx]

I agree with this one. If you buy a quick drink, they poor it in about 20 seconds and their job is done. I do understand tipping bar tenders if it is busy and they seem to do their best at getting to you quickly rather than overlooking you over and over.

Essentially, whether it is waiters/waitresses or bartenders, tip should only be necessary if their job at the moment includes frequently checking on you to see if you need anything.

I picked up a ridiculously hot bartender once when I didn't tip her, and she asked me why.

Turns out 99.9% of humans with penises tip her, and her curiosity got me a few dates with her.

Funny thing is I thought I left a tip, but she must have thought it was someone else's. Was a fun few weeks.

[Myth]

I picked up a ridiculously hot bartender once when I didn't tip her, and she asked me why.

Turns out 99.9% of humans with penises tip her, and her curiosity got me a few dates with her.

Funny thing is I thought I left a tip, but she must have thought it was someone else's. Was a fun few weeks.

Bitches love cheap guys.

[sunsfan1357]

The only people who I don't tip are bartenders when I'm ordering beer only. I just feel like pulling down a lever and filling up a cup is way too simple a task to get extra money on top of the 6 bucks I'm already paying for the beer. If I ask for a cocktail of some kind where they have to put some effort into mixing ingredients and stuff then I'll tip.

In terms of servers at restaurants, I actually didn't realize in California they make the full minimum wage. It might change how I tip, but honestly I'll still probably leave them something.

[sundizz]

This. Without tipping, you can get the waiter that half asses everything and they have no repercussions. Many other places it is easier to walk away if you don't like the service, but you are expected to pay for your food once you order it, so you are essentially stuck with that server until you leave, so you want that server to be motivated.

Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.

I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.

Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.

end rant/

[JohnnySic]

The reason we have tipping is because it works (better service). If you dont like tipping, go eat somewhere where they hand you your food on a tray, and note the difference in service.

[QuebecBaller]

In Quebec, the minimun wage is 9,90$ and the minimum wage for workers who make tips is $8.55

Me, I always give 15% if I received a very good service or if the waitress is really hot :D

[Norcaliblunt]

I like how this angry narrative about tipping always gets thrown at the small person, like the waiter or bartender, but no one ever complains about how the corporate restaurant itself, is ripping you off left and right with prices and such. You don't want to tip? Then demand that corporations and restaurants pay their employee's a decent wage. Waiting tables and bar tending are not minimum wage jobs. Actually go work 8 hours straight in a busy restaurant or bar, and you'll find out it's just as hard, if not harder then your BS, cubicle, desk, insurance claims, medical debt, collared golf shirt, douche baggery you perpetuate daily.

[bmulls]

I like how this angry narrative about tipping always gets thrown at the small person, like the waiter or bartender, but no one ever complains about how the corporate restaurant itself, is ripping you off left and right with prices and such. You don't want to tip? Then demand that corporations and restaurants pay their employee's a decent wage. Waiting tables and bar tending are not minimum wage jobs. Actually go work 8 hours straight in a busy restaurant or bar, and you'll find out it's just as hard, if not harder then your BS, cubicle, desk, insurance claims, medical debt, collared golf shirt, douche baggery you perpetuate daily.

:rolleyes:

You realize if they paid their employees more, the price of food would go up too right?

[Norcaliblunt]

:rolleyes:

You realize if they paid their employees more, the price of food would go up too right?

No shit, that's why when these rants come up it's pretty ridiculous. You're gonna pay one way or another. Bottom line.

[CeltsGarlic]

Tripping at restaurants is the new shit.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Tipping is sort of weird. Sometimes when I go to out to eat with my family 5-8, I always tip like $10 because of the amount of times the waiter needs to go back and fourth getting drinks. You also need to keep in mind that my table size is 5-8 at times but that waiter is also servicing 2-4 other tables and could be servicing 20+ on any given hour. If I go out to eat with 1-2 people I only leave a $2-3 tip. There shouldn't be a required tip. That pisses me off. I've had waiters botch orders, take 30 minutes to bring me my drink, and appear as if I was just wasting their time asking them for refills and extra sauce.

[gigantes]

Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?

I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.

Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them

No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.

People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.
1st question: are you a total idiot?



2nd question: are you a total f--king idiot?



3rd question: have you ever thought about googling this matter if you had your questions?



sorry to be so harsh, but your numbers and your research make you look like a total rich-kid, sheltered buffoon in the OP. maybe you've learned your lesson since then, but i didn't read that far. but good luck with that shit, since you obviously need it......

[Bano114]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38

[Loneshot]

Every time this thread happens it depresses me how cheap and miserable people are. Be generous you pricks.

Or how delusional Americans are about how prosperous their fellow Americans are.

I really can't wait for the time when people stop eating out and get back to home cooking (not anytime soon since this and the last generation of women can't cook for shit) just to shove it in the tip-whores faces. Make a big deal about tipping when they lay you off due to lack of demand. *fades back* "Hostess!"

[red1]

Or how delusional Americans are about how prosperous their fellow Americans are.

I really can't wait for the time when people stop eating out and get back to home cooking (not anytime soon since this and the last generation of women can't cook for shit) just to shove it in the tip-whores faces. Make a big deal about tipping when they lay you off due to lack of demand. *fades back* "Hostess!"
:coleman:

[BMOGEFan]

1st question: are you a total idiot?



2nd question: are you a total f--king idiot?



3rd question: have you ever thought about googling this matter if you had your questions?



sorry to be so harsh, but your numbers and your research make you look like a total rich-kid, sheltered buffoon in the OP. maybe you've learned your lesson since then, but i didn't read that far. but good luck with that shit, since you obviously need it......

Its pretty clear you're the idiot. I suspect you are a ****en waiter.

Go get your ass to work on a sunday you dipshit.

[BMOGEFan]

Every time this thread happens it depresses me how cheap and miserable people are. Be generous you pricks.

What you don't understand is that they get paid in FULL...minimum wage to serve your. its their job to serve you. They have no other duties BUT to serve you.

So why should they be entitled to a tip? When they are simply doing their job.

If they don't like the wage of being a waitress, they can get another one.

Like some restaurants that charge over 30 dollars a person, the amount of tips become outrageous very easily when there are a party of 5 or more. At this point, charge over 30 a person, the restaurant can easily give their waitresses a higher wage.

[Loneshot]

:coleman:

:biggums:

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[BMOGEFan]

Who fcking cares you cheap miserable prick.

HAHAH did someone not give you a tip when you were at work last night?

[BMOGEFan]

I don't work

No wonder youre calling people cheap. Its easy to spend mommy and daddy's money. Try making your own money and see you being super "generous"

[iamgine]

What you don't understand is that they get paid in FULL...minimum wage to serve your. its their job to serve you. They have no other duties BUT to serve you.

So why should they be entitled to a tip? When they are simply doing their job.

If they don't like the wage of being a waitress, they can get another one.

Like some restaurants that charge over 30 dollars a person, the amount of tips become outrageous very easily when there are a party of 5 or more. At this point, charge over 30 a person, the restaurant can easily give their waitresses a higher wage.
You are trying to make sense out of culture, not gonna happen. People don't tip because they think, "Oh these poor waiters make sh!t". People tip because...well it's the customs to. It's the sign that you appreciate the service, in the USA.

Just like...why do Japanese bow instead of shaking hands? Why do in many countries get offended if elders are called by first name? It's just their culture. Their sign of respect.

[Norcaliblunt]

It's one thing to not tip, that is your right and the beauty of the system, but these people who bitch about it and make threads ranting, come across like most people do who are complainers, straight up annoying. If you don't have the funds or want to spend the money it's okay, just don't whine about it. Please don't tip and leave it at that. It's when people try to justify it, is when it becomes pretty petty and whinny.

If tipping ended today, wages would have to increase, therefore leading to higher costs, so essentially it all would balance itself out and you would still be paying the same amount. Pretty freaking simple.

[Derka]

I tip 20% every time out because the service folks make below minimum wage in Massachusetts. It's not breaking my bank, especially if the service is top-notch. If the service is bad, I still tip 20%...and then make a note to never visit that establishment again. Lord knows there's plenty of options out there should I feel like dining out.

Now...all that being said, tips aren't a divine right. They're a cultural courtesy to the service industry professionals who willingly place themselves at our disposal. If someone doesn't want to give one, that's no reason to fly off on a rant. You want guaranteed money, there are plenty of industries you can work in to get that.

[TheSilentKiller]

I usually tip 20%. 10-15% if they weren't great, 25-30% if they were great.

[embersyc]

OMG even if they do make minimum wage who gives a ****? It's not like anybody can live on minimum wage, help the poor bastards out and quit bitching.

[Bano114]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38

[boozehound]

Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?

I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.

Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them

No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.

People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.
I am sure this has been pointed out, but minimum wage doesnt apply to servers. There is a difference minimum wage for them, which I think varies by state. Basically, they have to earn minimum wage INCLUDING their tips.

[boozehound]

What you don't understand is that they get paid in FULL...minimum wage to serve your. its their job to serve you. They have no other duties BUT to serve you.

So why should they be entitled to a tip? When they are simply doing their job.

If they don't like the wage of being a waitress, they can get another one.

Like some restaurants that charge over 30 dollars a person, the amount of tips become outrageous very easily when there are a party of 5 or more. At this point, charge over 30 a person, the restaurant can easily give their waitresses a higher wage.
again, no they dont. Server minimum wage is something like 2.50 per hour in the states I am familiar with.


Now, the real tip scam is bartenders. Supposed to be a buck a drink? What a rip off.

[BMOGEFan]

again, no they dont. Server minimum wage is something like 2.50 per hour in the states I am familiar with.


Now, the real tip scam is bartenders. Supposed to be a buck a drink? What a rip off.

California you get $8 minimum wage even if you are a waitress.

Don't get me started with bartenders.

They want tips for popping a bottle for me.

[boozehound]

California you get $8 minimum wage even if you are a waitress.

Don't get me started with bartenders.

They want tips for popping a bottle for me.
that is not most of the country.

[macmac]

What you don't understand is that they get paid in FULL...minimum wage to serve your. its their job to serve you. They have no other duties BUT to serve you.

So why should they be entitled to a tip? When they are simply doing their job.

If they don't like the wage of being a waitress, they can get another one.

Like some restaurants that charge over 30 dollars a person, the amount of tips become outrageous very easily when there are a party of 5 or more. At this point, charge over 30 a person, the restaurant can easily give their waitresses a higher wage.

Restaurants are some of the riskiest businesses out there and profit margins are incredibly thin with this system of tippin already in place.....if they had to pay their waiters/waitresses 16-20$/hr so a snotty nosed fugazzy like you would stop bitching, forget about it.

Best advice for you is to stay at home and only interact with the world via the Internet, where your distorted view of reality can remain reinforced by other pre teens agreeing with your simple and clueless ideas.

[Pushxx]

Restaurants are some of the riskiest businesses out there and profit margins are incredibly thin with this system of tippin already in place.....

This.

Generally the costs of food, employment, and overhead account for ~70% of most restaurants' gross in the industry. Just thought people should know that since they clearly don't.

[gigantes]

Its pretty clear you're the idiot. I suspect you are a ****en waiter.

Go get your ass to work on a sunday you dipshit.
i worked mcdonald's part-time my senior year in HS. went in to computer science right after that and never worked in the food industry again. but i still go to restaurants and i still very much appreciate the many jobs those people do. thank you very much.


BUT here's a major news flash for you since you don't seem to have comprehended it yet: servers get paid about half minimum wage across the states and are expected to make up the rest by tips. the numbers may vary, but that's the basic situation across this land.


hopefully one of these days you'll get off of your bratty little ass and recognise simple reality. in the meantime, your views and the 'stats' you've posted in this thread are quite, quite pathetic.

[kentatm]

No wonder youre calling people cheap. Its easy to spend mommy and daddy's money. Try making your own money and see you being super "generous"


I make my own money and think you are coming off like a cheap, miserable prick who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about. I always tip well and never even worked as a waiter though I do know enough about the food biz to know they get shit on constantly and don't get paid what they deserve in most cases. You're just a cheap shit who is desperately trying to justify being a cheap shit so you don't feel like the asshole you are behaving as.

[Norcaliblunt]

Can someone even survive on their own in a state as exspensive as Cali only making minimum wage? Do we expect high school kids who live with their parents to supply the demand for all these service jobs?

[BMOGEFan]

i worked mcdonald's part-time my senior year in HS. went in to computer science right after that and never worked in the food industry again. but i still go to restaurants and i still very much appreciate the many jobs those people do. thank you very much.


BUT here's a major news flash for you since you don't seem to have comprehended it yet: servers get paid about half minimum wage across the states and are expected to make up the rest by tips. the numbers may vary, but that's the basic situation across this land.


hopefully one of these days you'll get off of your bratty little ass and recognise simple reality. in the meantime, your views and the 'stats' you've posted in this thread are quite, quite pathetic.

And in the mean time your stats are completely wrong. Waiters and waitresses make minimum wage in Cali.

[BMOGEFan]

I make my own money and think you are coming off like a cheap, miserable prick who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about. I always tip well and never even worked as a waiter though I do know enough about the food biz to know they get shit on constantly and don't get paid what they deserve in most cases. You're just a cheap shit who is desperately trying to justify being a cheap shit so you don't feel like the asshole you are behaving as.

Tell that to the subway lady who's serving you food. Ask them how much tips THEY are making.

So a high class expensive restaurant, charging over 50 dollars a plate gets to charge a MANDATORY 18% gratuity? give me a break. No other service ANYWHERE do this.

Go ask your grocery bagger or the cashier how much they are making and how much tips they are getting.

[macmac]

Tell that to the subway lady who's serving you food. Ask them how much tips THEY are making.

So a high class expensive restaurant, charging over 50 dollars a plate gets to charge a MANDATORY 18% gratuity? give me a break. No other service ANYWHERE do this.

Go ask your grocery bagger or the cashier how much they are making and how much tips they are getting.

Those are shittier jobs dipshit, go ask how much forced labor workers in China make...Go ask how much starving nomadic tribes in Africa make in tips....go ask how much a lifer in peneteniary makes in tips in the laundry room, go ask how much a 14 year old Russian girl forced into sexual slavery makes in tips, you flagrant imbecile...

You don't get the same service from waiting in line and doing your own groceries, and it's also not as satisfying as a formal outting, that's why they don't make tips...

Any other fool proof arguments to excuse your behaviour as a piece of shiiit greedy scum broke biitch?

[BMOGEFan]

Those are shittier jobs dipshit, go ask how much forced labor workers in China make...Go ask how much starving nomadic tribes in Africa make in tips....go ask how much a lifer in peneteniary makes in tips in the laundry room, go ask how much a 14 year old Russian girl forced into sexual slavery makes in tips, you flagrant imbecile...

You don't get the same service from waiting in line and doing your own groceries, and it's also not as satisfying as a formal outting, that's why they don't make tips...

Any other fool proof arguments to excuse your behaviour as a piece of shiiit greedy scum broke biitch?

What the **** are you talking about? So all of a sudden serving people at a restaurant is a prestigious job?

The baggers job is to Bag, the cashiers job is to man the cash register, the waiter's job is to serve.

Roles are clearly defined. Do your job or get the **** out.

Why dont u go tip your doctor next time for his excellent service. Or the nurse who provided you excellent service. Next time go tip the nurse who cleaned your grandma's diapers 18%.

[macmac]

What the **** are you talking about? So all of a sudden serving people at a restaurant is a prestigious job?

The baggers job is to Bag, the cashiers job is to man the cash register, the waiter's job is to serve.

Roles are clearly defined. Do your job or get the **** out.

Why dont u go tip your doctor next time for his excellent service. Or the nurse who provided you excellent service.

I'll tip your girl for her mediocre service, because that's all that fits inside her

[Norcaliblunt]

Homie you bring up doctors, so why don't you bitch about how they gouge the shit out of you with costs? You rather whine about 10 15 bucks for the homie serving you your dinner? Everywhere you go you gotta pay one way or another. I didn't think it was that hard to understand.

[L.Kizzle]

Haha, I made this exact same thread a few years ago, nighas were goin apeshit about why you should be tipping and if you don't you deserve to die and shit, lol.

[macmac]

Haha, I made this exact same thread a few years ago, nighas were goin apeshit about why you should be tipping and if you don't you deserve to die and shit, lol.

For the record I don't think you should die. But it would be nice if you got ran over by an 18 wheeler and survived

[Zan Tabak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc

[Norcaliblunt]

I've honestly had some positive expierences tipping. Gave the bartender a 20 dollar tip my first drink, they appreciated it so much I got free drinks all night after that. I still tipped each drink too.

[L.Kizzle]

Tipping at restaurants is still the dumbest thing in the world. If anybody, I'd rather tip the damn cook.


The world is a bunch of copycats. That's the only reason why we tip, the only reason. Most of y'all aren't doin it because you are nice people, it's because you don't wanna be called an asshole.


I'm pretty sure the first person to tip was some wealthy guy at a huge party and some poor lil person was just running around giving everyone food. Rich guy felt bad and gave them a bunch of money for their troubles.

[Zan Tabak]

I've honestly had some positive expierences tipping. Gave the bartender a 20 dollar tip my first drink, they appreciated it so much I got free drinks all night after that. I still tipped each drink too.
For sure, everyone loves a guy who gives away money.

[red1]

Always get a good laugh hearing miserable penny pinchers rationalize their ways. If you don't approve of the restaurant industry then go home and make yourself a tuna sandwich. Don't go out to eat and then scrooge the waiters out of a few dollars just because "you don't believe in it." At least give the waiters a heads up in advance so they can spit in your shit.

[red1]

Tipping at restaurants is still the dumbest thing in the world. If anybody, I'd rather tip the damn cook.


The world is a bunch of copycats. That's the only reason why we tip, the only reason. Most of y'all aren't doin it because you are nice people, it's because you don't wanna be called an asshole.


I'm pretty sure the first person to tip was some wealthy guy at a huge party and some poor lil person was just running around giving everyone food. Rich guy felt bad and gave them a bunch of money for their troubles.
:biggums: Not even.

[L.Kizzle]

:biggums: Not even.
Lol, so you're tellin' me you tip from the goodness of your soul, and not because everyone else does it and it's an unwritten rule to tip or you'd considered an asshole or in your own words a "penny pincher"?

You can be real here, no one here is gonna spot in you food. Pretty sure that's why everyone else here tips.

[red1]

Lol, so you're tellin' me you tip from the goodness of your soul, and not because everyone else does it and it's an unwritten rule to tip or you'd considered an asshole or in your own words a "penny pincher"?

You can be real here, no one here is gonna spot in you food. Pretty sure that's why everyone else here tips.
Nah homie I tip because I know that running a restaurant is hard work and being a waiter isn't the easist job in the world. I enjoy being able to go out and grab a healthy and filling meal.

Listen if you don't like the fact that tipping is common practice or if you think it's hypocritical to be sympathetic towards those in the industry then thats on you. Just don't go out to eat and instead go grab yourself some fastfood. It's really that simple. Noone is forcing you.

[red1]

btw tips are often split between staff so the cook might be getting some of your tip too

[L.Kizzle]

Nah homie I tip because I know that running a restaurant is hard work and being a waiter isn't the easist job in the world. I enjoy being able to go out and grab a healthy and filling meal.

Listen if you don't like the fact that tipping is common practice or if you think it's hypocritical to be sympathetic towards those in the industry then thats on you. Just don't go out to eat and instead go grab yourself some fastfood. It's really that simple. Noone is forcing you.
Every work is hard work, not just restaurant waiting. I'm not talking bad or down at waiters, I tip. But really, why do we tip only waiters?


I've never seen anyone tip the garbageman and say "hey, thanks for keeping the neighborhood clean", or the plumber who comes buy and unclogs your pipes, or the janitor at your 9-5 office job, ect. And with this someone will bring up the wages. Garbageman, plumbers, janitors, ect make more than waiters. Not being hard, but is that our problem?


Go down to the shelters on weekends if you wanna help someone who's in real needs. They need the help more than waiters, I bet.

[red1]

Every work is hard work, not just restaurant waiting. I'm not talking bad or down at waiters, I tip. But really, why do we tip only waiters?


I've never seen anyone tip the garbageman and say "hey, thanks for keeping the neighborhood clean", or the plumber who comes buy and unclogs your pipes, or the janitor at your 9-5 office job, ect. And with this someone will bring up the wages. Garbageman, plumbers, janitors, ect make more than waiters. Not being hard, but is that our problem?


Go down to the shelters on weekends if you wanna help someone who's in real needs. They need the help more than waiters, I bet.

The difference between all of the jobs you listed and a waiter is the fact that they all get paid a large salary for what they are doing. The fact of the matter is that waiters don't get paid fully in salary, part of their income DEPENDS on the tip. If they are not recieving tip then they are not getting paid for their work.

The reason the industry works like that is because there is not a ton of profit to be made cooking up meals so the restaurant depends on its customers to step up and pay the waiters for their service in addition to what they are paying for the food itself. Like I said, if you don't like the way it works then you take it up with all restaurant owners who are trying keep their business afloat. When you don't tip you are scrooging the wrong people.

[BMOGEFan]

The difference between all of the jobs you listed and a waiter is the fact that they all get paid a large salary for what they are doing. The fact of the matter is that waiters don't get paid fully in salary, part of their income DEPENDS on the tip. If they are not recieving tip then they are not getting paid for their work.

The reason the industry works like that is because there is not a ton of profit to be made cooking up meals so the restaurant depends on its customers to step up and pay the waiters for their service in addition to what they are paying for the food itself. Like I said, if you don't like the way it works then you take it up with all restaurant owners who are trying keep their business afloat. When you don't tip you are scrooging the wrong people.

Go tip your office janitor.

[red1]

Go tip your office janitor.
How stupid are you? Honestly? You are arguing some retarded shit on the nba boad and over here you cant seem to grasp even the most basic explanation.

[BMOGEFan]

How stupid are you? Honestly? You are arguing some retarded shit on the nba boad and over here you cant seem to grasp even the most basic explanation.

I think the stupid one is you. You are the one thats so scared of people calling you an asshole so you conform to society and follow its ways.

[Myth]

Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.

I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.

Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.

end rant/

I agree with you, but unfortunately because of our culture, it those service jobs would be worse than they are now if they weren't getting tipped.

[red1]

I think the stupid one is you. You are the one thats so scared of people calling you an asshole so you conform to society and follow its ways.
Can you not read? Are you incapable of that basic skill?

[Money 23]

Always get a good laugh hearing miserable penny pinchers rationalize their ways. If you don't approve of the restaurant industry then go home and make yourself a tuna sandwich.
Exactly.

Blacks don't tip. It's not in their nature, they don't understand it.

Also, the standard is 20% now.

[red1]

Exactly.

Blacks don't tip. It's not in their nature, they don't understand it.

Also, the standard is 20% now.
I am black and I tip. You are talking about culture and that is another discussion for another day

[flipogb]

tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .

[BMOGEFan]

tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .

but but but...you can't survive off of minimum wage :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[MMM]

tipping in Cali is just dumb since minimum wage is required, whats worse is when you end up eating with people who bust out calculators to tip .

LOL @ busting out calculators for rather simple math

[Norcaliblunt]

Store clerks who don't receive commission for selling products, and end up being personal shopping guides on top of their required jobs are the people who get screwed the most for not getting just compensation for there service.

[Myth]

LOL @ busting out calculators for rather simple math

Maybe they are OCD and have to tip at exponentially larger percentages based on the amount of the bill. :confusedshrug:

[Norcaliblunt]

but but but...you can't survive off of minimum wage :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


You really can't. Might be even a little bit funny or just sad, but life sucks and it's reality.

[Money 23]

I am black and I tip. You are talking about culture and that is another discussion for another day
It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.

Props for being an african american who tips. :pimp:

[red1]

It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.

Props for being an african american who tips. :pimp:
no murrica. african-canadian :pimp:

[L.Kizzle]

It's a generality, but usually true. Didn't mean to offend, you know I hold you in high esteem, my dude.

Props for being an african american who tips. :pimp:
What he fck is that supposed to mean?

[Money 23]

What he fck is that supposed to mean?
You know damn well what it means kid, I didn't mince words on your ass. Stand by it, too.

Made a thread about this a few months back, pretty sure you were a heavy contributor to it. Don't play dumb.

[L.Kizzle]

You know damn well what it means kid, I didn't mince words on your ass. Stand by it, too.

Made a thread about this a few months back, pretty sure you were a heavy contributor to it. Don't play dumb.
Yes, I remember your dumb thread.

[Just2McFly]

Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.

I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.

Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.

end rant/

People should do their jobs to the fullest regardless of what they are paid that's why I find the "better service" reasoning of why people tip so disturbing.

The fact is that many countries get by just fine without the concept of tipping makes blatantly defending something such as this is unwise at the very least.

[Norcaliblunt]

Like I said, if you don't like the way it works then you take it up with all restaurant owners who are trying keep their business afloat. When you don't tip you are scrooging the wrong people.

This pretty much sums it up.

[MMM]

I always wondered if African american be used for any black who lives in the Americas???

[Norcaliblunt]

Just a ridiculous retarded American mentality and culture. People working hard just because they get tips. I am staying in South Korea and it's every bit (if not much more) modern in living conditions etc. However, with these service industries (cabs, restaurants, etc) you don't tip. What's even crazier..is that the service is still 100x better than back at home. They treat you so well, just because it is their job and they know other people can easily do what they do. They appreciate just having a job and making sure they do a good job at it.

I like the In n Out mentality. Pay a reasonable wage ($9 an hour to start if im not mistaken). Get rid of this tipping wildness. Gotta tip everywhere, bartenders (and I was one), etc. It's ridiculous.

Personally, I like a system better where everyone is rewarded if the company/restaurant is successful. Also, rewards people for staying with a company longer. Turnover is a huge cost and waste of scrills in restaurants. Simply, have a year-end bonus (even for part-time workers). If the company does good, everyone gets rewarded.

end rant/

Screw that collectivist bull crap. Lol.

[L.Kizzle]

Most people don't have a good work ethic. If they know they are only getting x amount no matter what, they will do just enough to get by.
And that's America for you, this generation at least.

[Norcaliblunt]

You think some of you capitalist would believe in a system where you can vote with your dollars, have the option to buy better service as you see fit.

[Norcaliblunt]

I mean what's better than having the option to pay? No one is holding a gun to your head? The one day you don't feel like it or haven't got the money, shit you don't have too. The time you feel good and want to spend some extra money to get yourself some nice service you have the option. It's a win win.

Just because you get self conscious, because you live everyday as a thrifty mofo, and there's a social stigma that goes along to being like that, doesn't me you get to ruin our liberty to tip as we see fit and compensate our fellow man whether or not we want.

[L.Kizzle]

You don't cut corners at work?
The only corners I cut are on my bread homeboy.

[BMOGEFan]

I mean what's better than having the option to pay? No one is holding a gun to your head? The one day you don't feel like it or haven't got the money, shit you don't have too. The time you feel good and want to spend some extra money to get yourself some nice service you have the option. It's a win win.

Just because you get self conscious, because you live everyday as a thrifty mofo, and there's a social stigma that goes along to being like that, doesn't me you get to ruin our liberty to tip as we see fit and compensate our fellow man whether or not we want.

You don't really have a choice. places charge gratuity if you have a party over 6 now.

[Loneshot]

You don't cut corners at work?

When i go to work, i go to work. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who go to work and have this expression like "i hate being here." Motha****a get out then. Even if i don't feel like being at work, i put on the show that i'm very thankful to even have some work, because i know what its like to go on a long stretch of odd jobs with no stable employment.

Along with people expecting tips, the ass holes who go to work and be lazy are prime examples of America's lack of work ethic. We don't fight for anything we want unless its something that doesn't mean shit like an ipad, yet wonder why our politicians aren't fighting for us and blame them for everything.

I'm not going to be one to say this country is crumbling, because if anything its on a new horizon, just not one we may expect or want, but the people have very little love for one another, which leaves the country divided and full of excuses for whats wrong without every actually looking at themselves.

[TheSilentKiller]

I always wondered if African american be used for any black who lives in the Americas???
Some people in the USA call all black people African American :lol . It is weird. A lot of people also think saying black is offensive.

[Stuckey]

Yeah I wish i could not give a fvk about tipping but them waitresses be too cute and nice

[L.Kizzle]

When i go to work, i go to work. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who go to work and have this expression like "i hate being here." Motha****a get out then. Even if i don't feel like being at work, i put on the show that i'm very thankful to even have some work, because i know what its like to go on a long stretch of odd jobs with no stable employment.

Along with people expecting tips, the ass holes who go to work and be lazy are prime examples of America's lack of work ethic. We don't fight for anything we want unless its something that doesn't mean shit like an ipad, yet wonder why our politicians aren't fighting for us and blame them for everything.

I'm not going to be one to say this country is crumbling, because if anything its on a new horizon, just not one we may expect or want, but the people have very little love for one another, which leaves the country divided and full of excuses for whats wrong without every actually looking at themselves.
This generation takes too many things for granted these days. Just like you said, they work for the tip when they should be working for a check. If they don't get a tip or a low tip, their night is ruined. It's like they're gonna be rude to everyone aster the person (or in their word assholes) who didn't tip.


When I go to work, I do my job and I like it. If I don't like it (which I really do like my job except for the first 2 hours it gets crazy but after ot settled down.) Even if I'm having a bad day, I don't let it show. You make it look like you're enjoying yourself. It only helps you out in the long run. I'm one of the youngest at my current position.


And people wonder why our parents generation looks at us the ay they do.

[Norcaliblunt]

You don't really have a choice. places charge gratuity if you have a party over 6 now.

Then you don't tip extra, and you factor the gratuity into what the cost of going out to the dinner is, and call it night. In the non tipping world you believe in, the automatic gratuity charge is going to be the norm on all parties as an insurance policy for everyday tight wads.

[BMOGEFan]

Then you don't tip extra, and you factor the gratuity into what the cost of going out to the dinner is, and call it night. In the non tipping world you believe in, the automatic gratuity charge is going to be the norm on all parties as an insurance policy for everyday tight wads.

And thats why i refuse to go to these restaurants. They are costing themselves more business in the end.

[Norcaliblunt]

Lmao at all these self righteous mofos claiming to be hard workers and shit. Say they reduced your salary by half and cut all your benefits tomorrow? Are you showing up to work all hunky dory. Money and security rules everything in this culture. From tips to career pay checks.

[Norcaliblunt]

And thats why i refuse to go to these restaurants. They are costing themselves more business in the end.


YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We've Made progress. YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!

Now stop being so freaking whinny about it. Simple as that.

[L.Kizzle]

Lmao at all these self riches mofos claiming to be hard workers and shit. Say they reduced you salary by half and cut all your benefits tomorrow? Are you showing up to work all hunky dory. Money and security rules everything I this culture. From tips to career pay checks.
What good is it gonna do to looked pissed off all day? I'm sorry, but I can't work with negative people like that all day.

It's a few people at my job like that, everyday they come to work it's like they just came back from a funeral. Seriously, no one can be that mad everyday.

And if they reduced my salary, cut benefits it's time to have a talk with the big people in charge. Or I might be on my way to a different company.

[JerryWest]

if i got change i'll tip, if i don't well too bad! :confusedshrug:

[BMOGEFan]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We've Made progress. YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!

Now stop being so freaking whinny about it. Simple as that.

I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.

The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.

If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.

[Norcaliblunt]

What good is it gonna do to looked pissed off all day? I'm sorry, but I can't work with negative people like that all day.

It's a few people at my job like that, everyday they come to work it's like they just came back from a funeral. Seriously, no one can be that mad everyday.

And if they reduced my salary, cut benefits it's time to have a talk with the big people in charge. Or I might be on my way to a different company.

What does this have to do tipping? People who work in the service industry for tips are negative? Is that what you are saying? Or just the people at the office of whatever your spectacular career choice is? People are all different, so that's why tipping is cool, because when you get that negative funeral going mofo you describe as a waiter you don't tip, then on the day L.Kizzle, hard working, lunch pale carrying, super employee comes along to serve you lunch you get to hook him up.

[Norcaliblunt]

I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.

The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.

If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.

The stigma comes from non tippers also being cheap other places, which is just reality. No one is forcing you to tip. If you get insecure about the social consequence that's your problem. A person of real conviction wouldn't give a shit.

[macmac]

I'm just saying people should not force you to tip.

The social stigma that not tipping is the sin of all sins is what i have a problem with.

If i was the business owner, I rather have some money, with people in my restaurant than no money with no one at my restaurant.

Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.

You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.

I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items

[red1]

Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.

You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.

I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items
bmoge is a f*cking retard for real

[BMOGEFan]

Lol you are so stupid it's unbelievable. You're saying restaurants are empty because people have to tip? What about the million of profitable restaurants that follow that exact model.

You would never be a business owner because any business you owned would quickly go bankrupt. But even if we were to ignore that, would you want to have employees to make your business run? Then tipping is necessary or your prices would be much higher than your competitors.

I love how idiots that complain about tipping don't realize that this model is the only way they can actually save money by being cheap scum. I there was no tipping they would be forced to pay more on all items

You and Red are the two dumbest posters regarding this topic.

Think for a second. OK. imagine you are a mom and pops restaurant. You are paying your employee $8 per hour already to do his only job, which is to SERVE.

This mandatory tip stigma is actually dissuading people from going to your restaurant. People may rather eat at a fast food or just cook at home. You don't think these owners rather have some money than no money. You dont' think they they rather prefer people to go into their restaurant than no one???

So what's next, the employee gets laid off. You don't think these people would rather work than NOT work.

THINK

[red1]

You and Red are the two dumbest posters regarding this topic.

Think for a second. OK. imagine you are a mom and pops restaurant. You are paying your employee $8 per hour already to do his only job, which is to SERVE.

This mandatory tip stigma is actually dissuading people from going to your restaurant. People may rather eat at a fast food or just cook at home. You don't think these owners rather have some money than no money. You dont' think they they rather prefer people to go into their restaurant than no one???

So what's next, the employee gets laid off. You don't think these people would rather work than NOT work.

THINK
You don't like to tip because it is an unfair practice that prevents the restaurant from getting customers? And then the restaurant will have to lay off it's waiters forcing them to not get any income at all?

You just cooked up a scenario that has nothing to do with reality. What is this false concern for the restaurant and it's employees. If you had real concern for the well-being of the restaurant and it's people then you would tip. Right now you are just making excuses for the fact that you are a cheap stingy b*tch.

If the restaurant doesn't automatically charge tip - a practice that I f*cking hate - then the owner has decided that he or she will pay the waiters a low wage with the expectation that the customers will pitch in with their tips. This is something that the restaurant has every right to do and the government recognizes this by making it a legal practice.

Let the business aspect of this shit be handled by the owner, someone with more than two brain cells. Around here $8 is less than minimum wage so that is an income worthy of being supplemented with tips.

From YOUR perspective, if you are getting shit service, then don't tip. On the other hand if everything is in order and you are getting good service, then you tip. Don't overcomplicate this shit f*gg*t.

[BMOGEFan]

You don't like to tip because it is an unfair practice that prevents the restaurant from getting customers? And then the restaurant will have to lay off it's waiters forcing them to not get any income at all?

You just cooked up a scenario that has nothing to do with reality. What is this false concern for the restaurant and it's employees. If you had real concern for the well-being of the restaurant and it's people then you would tip. Right now you are just making excuses for the fact that you are a cheap stingy b*tch.

If the restaurant doesn't automatically charge tip - a practice that I f*cking hate - then the owner has decided that he or she will pay the waiters a low wage with the expectation that the customers will pitch in with their tips. This is something that the restaurant has every right to do and the government recognizes this by making it a legal practice.

Let the business aspect of this shit be handled by the owner, someone with more than two brain cells. Around here $8 is less than minimum wage so that is an income worthy of being supplemented with tips.

From YOUR perspective, if you are getting shit service, then don't tip. On the other hand if everything is in order and you are getting good service, then you tip. Don't overcomplicate this shit f*gg*t.

No...from my perspective, I will not be tipping at all. These workers are making a wage, there's no reason to tip. From now on, I will not be tipping anyone.

YOU don't complicate it.

[red1]

No...from my perspective, I will not be tipping at all. These workers are making a wage, there's no reason to tip. From now on, I will not be tipping anyone.

YOU don't complicate it.
:biggums: You are honestly f*cking retarded. Reading comprehension of a 10 year old.



Do you still plan to eat out at restaurants?

[BMOGEFan]

:biggums: You are honestly f*cking retarded. Reading comprehension of a 10 year old.



Do you still plan to eat out at restaurants?

I think you are just plain retarded and do not understand how majority of businesses operate. You do know over 60% of restaurants are mom and pop shops. So how is my hypothetical a convoluted scenario where it will never happen.

Go tip your 20% everywhere you go. I will, in the meantime, tip them nothing.

What you really don't understand is that many businesses function outside of America and Canada without having to tip. The service is great because its part of the job. Only in north america do you get this asshole stigma when you don't tip your server.

I truly believe you don't know what you are talking about. My main issue is that mandatory tips should not be assessed on people's bill. There should not be a social stigma to tip someone 15%. I should be free to tip whatever i want, which should be $0 if i feel like.

I have had waiters run out of the restaurant to ask for more tips because I only gave them a 5% tip. They said it was mandatory I give 15%.

Do you not understand this??? Maybe you are the one with the reading comprehension problem.

[red1]

I think you are just plain retarded and do not understand how majority of businesses operate. You do know over 60% of restaurants are mom and pop shops. So how is my hypothetical a convoluted scenario where it will never happen.

Go tip your 20% everywhere you go. I will, in the meantime, tip them nothing.

What you really don't understand is that many businesses function outside of America and Canada without having to tip. The service is great because its part of the job. Only in north america do you get this asshole stigma when you don't tip your server.

I truly believe you don't know what you are talking about. My main issue is that mandatory tips should not be assessed on people's bill. There should not be a social stigma to tip someone 15%. I should be free to tip whatever i want, which should be $0 if i feel like.

I have had waiters run out of the restaurant to ask for more tips because I only gave them a 5% tip. They said it was mandatory I give 15%.

Do you not understand this??? Maybe you are the one with the reading comprehension problem.
:roll: you have a low IQ

[red1]

If you don't want to tip just don't eat out at restaurants. Prepare your meals at home or grab fastfood when you are hungry and not at home. If this issue bothers you that much then move to one of those countries that you mentioned where tipping is not expected.

Problem solved.

[BMOGEFan]

Then you are saying, well here in toronto the minimum wage is not $8. How do they survive with less than minimum wage?

You know what? You don't even know how your damn city operates. Do you know how much waiters base pay is? YOU DON"T

Do you even know how much minimum wage is? YOU PROBABLY DON"T.

You automatically assume that your city is making $8 an hour so its impossible for servers to survive.

Why don't you do the research and find out whether 1. does your server get paid under minimum wage and require tips to make up the rest?

Do not comment until you find out this answer.

I know the answer in my city. In California, people at the minimum get a $8 an hour wage regardless of tips. Some other states do not. They make $2.50 an hour and need tips to make up the rest. In those scenario, the food price isn't marked up. But in california, its actually safe to assume business owners marked up the prices on their menu to pay for this extra wage.

[BMOGEFan]

:roll: you have a low IQ

Thats all you are saying.

Its like you make an argument.

My retort is You are dumb.

Why don't figure it out before making comments. You don't make any other arguments because you CAN"T.

The only reason you tip is because social stigma dictates that you tip and you should do it.

[macmac]

It's only a matter of time before you get a serious case of food poisoning

[CAstill]

Tipping sucks but you do it because the person waiting
has a shittier job lol. Plus if they did a good job why not?
Bar tenders are a rip off and honestly I tip them the lowest lol.
Tipping is best for strippers!

[red1]

I explained it to you so many times that I now realize you are just not capable of understanding what I am telling you. Seriously. You just can't grasp it. I will only repeat it one more time.

When you dont tip, the person you are screwing over is the waiter or the waitress. It is an unwritten expectation that a waiter or waitress will recieve some of their income from your tip. This is built into the way they are paid, this is the way the restaurant industry works. When you recieve good service but you do not tip, then the waiter or waitress is not getting paid for their work.

For the last f*cking time, if you don't like the way it works, THEN DON' EAT THERE. If I am an anti-gay marriage nutcase then I won't spend my days in a gay club. IF YOU ARE ANTI TIPPING THEN DON'T EAT OUT AT RESTAURANTS. If you go to a restaurant and refuse to tip despite recieving service, THEN YOU ARE BEING CHEAP AND INCONSIDERATE.

End of discussion

[BMOGEFan]

When you dont tip, the person you are screwing over is the waiter or the waitress. It is an unwritten expectation that a waiter or waitress will recieve some of their income from your tip. This is built into the way they are paid, this is the way the restaurant industry works. When you recieve good service but you do not tip, then the waiter or waitress is not getting paid for their work.

What grade are you in? I explained this over and over that the waiter will receive their income $8 per hour as they are paid. I am not screwing anyone over. If they don't like their job, get another one. Get an education. Get some more experience instead of waiting.

Good service is inherent to their job. Service is PART OF THE JOB, if you do not know what inherent means.

I'm most positive that you do not know this, but in Japan, they provide excellent service without you needing to tip them. Because as I mentioned, its part of the JOB.

Then you will ramble on about needing to get paid more by the owners. And I explained this many many times.


IF YOU ARE ANTI TIPPING THEN DON'T EAT OUT AT RESTAURANTS. If you go to a restaurant and refuse to tip despite recieving service, THEN YOU ARE BEING CHEAP AND INCONSIDERATE.

You just proved what L.Kizzle said about tipping..that you are ONLY doing it because you don't want ot be an asshole. HAHAAHAHAH...you are a big ass moron.

GG. I'm not entering this thread again. You are done. Go watch your crappy raptors now. Not even vince carter want to play there.

[red1]

bmoge you are one of the dumbest posters I have had the displeasure of arguing with on this board


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[CAstill]

I eat out at restaurants all the time and I tip well
but I don't feel it's right that servers at denny's
can make around 50 dollars an hour, at all.
I live in Cali and have witnessed this happen
with wack waitresses might I add. It happens more times than not.
All they do is wait for food, usually let it sit for days for no reason lol
bring out drinks and expect at least 15% all the while giving the
same horrible service to 5 tables at the same time racking up tips.
Too many variables go into it. I can see why people working
harder jobs with higher education getting payed less can be jealous
and frustrated. Places back east and down south making 2.50
an hour get your Tip on lol.

[Balla_Status]

I always tip well but I honestly can understand the argument of why we tip waitress but not the subway guys. Usually if someone gives me a receipt to sign and there's a tip space there, I'll put at least a dollar on there. They make min wage too and make the food and serve it to you (kinda).

I always tip at the bar. Why? Because I don't have huge tits.

[ALBballer]

I hate tipping, therefore, i rarely dine out. This is coming from an ex-waiter btw.

[ALBballer]

PS most restaurants would not go out of business by paying waiters minimum wage, most mom and pop places hire illegals who work off the books in their kitchen and save a ton by not having to pay for insurance, payroll taxes and so forth. Not to mention the cash they don't disclose. They could pay more to their servers and the successful places would not go out of business but American society has been suckered into thinking that tipping is the norm.

[Loneshot]

In every tipping topic, the pro-tipping people who can't fathom why others think tipping is dumb always have the same arguments, few which are logical and lead to them threatening people who don't tip by saying their food will be ****ed up. And you wonder why people don't want to tip, lol.

"give me some extra money or i'll **** up your food", :facepalm

[PHX_Phan]

I agree with some points made on both sides. Tipping is necessary, but it shouldn't be expected or automatic. I hate the mentality servers have where they expect a tip and are only satisfied if it's better than a few bucks. Good service should always be provided with the exception of the few people who constantly dine at your place of work, make your life hell and never leave a gratuity.

I pretty much always tip at full service restaurants, but not large amounts like some feel is necessary unless the service was worth it. I don't go by % of the bill, because I don't think it should matter if the plate of food you carried to my table was worth more than what a server at Applebee's carries out. Most of the time I leave 2-3 bucks. I don't think a server should expect more and should be glad for that, and this coming from someone who has worked gratuity-based jobs. At the end of even a slow day the people working these jobs clear more than other restaurant employees (cooks, dishwashers, etc.) and usually make off pretty well considering the jobs are not that demanding.

[KingBeasley08]

You don't have to if you really hate it, I guess I just do it cause its expected. Plus, if someone provides a nice service, I like to reward them for it

[BMOGEFan]

In every tipping topic, the pro-tipping people who can't fathom why others think tipping is dumb always have the same arguments, few which are logical and lead to them threatening people who don't tip by saying their food will be ****ed up. And you wonder why people don't want to tip, lol.

"give me some extra money or i'll **** up your food", :facepalm

I don't know why i was wasting so much time talking to that guy...thats just how dumb red1 is.

[red1]

I hate tipping, therefore, i rarely dine out. This is coming from an ex-waiter btw.
That is the correct attitude. If you don't want to tip, then don't eat out. Am I correct in assuming that the times you do eat out you do tip?

[RoseCity07]

Because if you're eating at a restaurant you can afford it and if you're working at one you need all the money you can get.

[maybeshewill13]

You cheap-ass mother ****ers. $8 an hour and you think you shouldn't have to tip them?

Here's something to lull on. In Australia most waiters/waitresses would be on at least $20 an hour assuming they are over 18 (no tips). The service here is generally SHIT. No water refills, no one cares about you as long as they've got your order and gotten your food. Have to ask for dessert menus most of the time.

I went to the USA this year and the service was 100x that of what we get here. I'm more than happy to tip a measly 15% to get that great service, especially considering in most states they aren't even making 8 FREAKING DOLLARS an hour.. whether they are making minimum wage or not, tip them you cheapskates.

TL;DR: Get a job you ****ing bums.

[flipogb]

if minimum is not enough, then tip the cashier at the grocery store, tip the janitor, tip everyone at Walmart

[maybeshewill13]

if minimum is not enough, then tip the cashier at the grocery store, tip the janitor, tip everyone at Walmart
Sounds like the kind of excuse a bum with no job would use :sleeping

[Loneshot]

Sounds like the kind of excuse a bum with no job would use :sleeping

Sounds like the type of logic food service workers don't want people considering.

[maybeshewill13]

Sounds like the type of logic food service workers don't want people considering.
Another bum :sleeping Get a job.

[sundizz]

Another bum :sleeping Get a job.


So let's get this straight...where is tipping accepted and at what rates?

Bar ~ $1 dollar on a $4-8 dollar drink
Restaurant ~ 15-20%
Delivery Drivers ~ Round up method, i.e 18.25 would be a $20

I can honestly say, having done all three jobs, that they don't deserve a tip anymore than the person working at the local CVS or Walgreens or Walmart.

Now, those are shitty jobs for little pay. You have to stand all day, you move boxes, you gotta check out person after ungrateful person, you gotta help people make decisions about products you know or don't care about, and you have to deal with RETURNS.

When I worked as a bartender/catering company I got paid $15 an hour (3 hour events) to pour wine and a choice of 5 easy as hell to make beverages. The actual bartending part lasted maybe 1.5 hours. Got tipped about $1 from everyone, made $50-150 in tips usually. Equated usually to $145 for 4 hours for doing such easy work.

To do this day, I don't think I deserved any sort of tip for doing that. It's a good gig and I should be doing it with a smile on my face. On the other hand, when I worked at Longs Drugs I walked old ladies bags to their car maybe 500 times, and at most got offered something (gum, or $1) a few times. And I lived in Silicon Valley so it's not like people didn't have money.

Edit: If you work at clothing store, offer opinions etc I understand you get rewarded with sales commission sometimes. In the same respect, unless you work at a fancy restaurant and are some guru of grub offering recommendations you shouldn't be getting a tip. The chick that works at Denny's that says whatchya want? Stack of pancakes, aight. That's not tip worthy to me. Doesn't mean she works any less hard, just that she is lower on the totem pole. If she wants to stack bread, she should get a different job at a real restaurant. If she can't move up..i sympathize but i don't want to pay 50% taxes, and i don't want to have to tip to subsidize other people's lives.

[ALBballer]

Because if you're eating at a restaurant you can afford it and if you're working at one you need all the money you can get.

Thats horshit. Many of these waiters get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.

[ALBballer]

That is the correct attitude. If you don't want to tip, then don't eat out. Am I correct in assuming that the times you do eat out you do tip?

Yes i do, 15-20 percent.

[rezznor]

Yes you do...people demand 15%
i usually give 20% minimum unless the service is terrible.

[Loneshot]

So let's get this straight...where is tipping accepted and at what rates?

Bar ~ $1 dollar on a $4-8 dollar drink
Restaurant ~ 15-20%
Delivery Drivers ~ Round up method, i.e 18.25 would be a $20

I can honestly say, having done all three jobs, that they don't deserve a tip anymore than the person working at the local CVS or Walgreens or Walmart.

Now, those are shitty jobs for little pay. You have to stand all day, you move boxes, you gotta check out person after ungrateful person, you gotta help people make decisions about products you know or don't care about, and you have to deal with RETURNS.

When I worked as a bartender/catering company I got paid $15 an hour (3 hour events) to pour wine and a choice of 5 easy as hell to make beverages. The actual bartending part lasted maybe 1.5 hours. Got tipped about $1 from everyone, made $50-150 in tips usually. Equated usually to $145 for 4 hours for doing such easy work.

To do this day, I don't think I deserved any sort of tip for doing that. It's a good gig and I should be doing it with a smile on my face. On the other hand, when I worked at Longs Drugs I walked old ladies bags to their car maybe 500 times, and at most got offered something (gum, or $1) a few times. And I lived in Silicon Valley so it's not like people didn't have money.

Edit: If you work at clothing store, offer opinions etc I understand you get rewarded with sales commission sometimes. In the same respect, unless you work at a fancy restaurant and are some guru of grub offering recommendations you shouldn't be getting a tip. The chick that works at Denny's that says whatchya want? Stack of pancakes, aight. That's not tip worthy to me. Doesn't mean she works any less hard, just that she is lower on the totem pole. If she wants to stack bread, she should get a different job at a real restaurant. If she can't move up..i sympathize but i don't want to pay 50% taxes, and i don't want to have to tip to subsidize other people's lives.

All valid points. People who've worked in retail know the hell it can be to work in retail, yet no one complaining about those people not getting tips. And please no one bring in the under minimum wage excuse, not for places like California.

I'm confident the time will come when tipping is less frequent. The white population is on the decline, and with their decline also goes their customs. This place is about to become the United Asians of Mexico:lol

[RoseCity07]

Thats horshit. Many of these waiters get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.

This is a logical fallacy. Many waiters? So not all. I'd say most don't get paid triple minimum wage. So your point is completely invalid.

[Norcaliblunt]

I love when the jealous bitter angle is used.

"This job doesn't get tips, so why should this one?"

WHAHWHAHWHAHWHAHWHAHWHAH!!!!!!!! Lol.

You fools wouldn't want to tip those people either, so don't front like you care about them.

[Loneshot]

It's just the way it is, waiters get tipped, retail people don't. Who cares.

Apparently you and a lot of people.

Like i said, every tipping topic leads to the pro-tipping people not having anything logical to say and resort silly statements about how waiters deserve tips above other service workers or threats of what happens if you don't tip. Its this sentiment that will ultimately hurt service workers in the long run that are used to getting tips.

[Norcaliblunt]

If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.

[Norcaliblunt]

Retailers do get screwed. At least at some of those places they make up for it in bonuses, but at the end of the day they are just another group who corporate America screws over daily. I feel for them, but that doesn't mean we should strip servers of what little cushiness they have with their job.

[BMOGEFan]

If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.

Explain your "Fact" with the bartending industry where they are already having 1000% markup on a drink.

[PHX_Phan]

Thats horshit. Many of these waiters get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.

Same here, I made pretty good money delivering pizzas and serving. I was paid over minimum wage doing both and was able to get by on all tip money and put all my checks into savings. The jobs are not that bad, shifts are short and you can easily clear two to three times your wage. I could average $25-30 an hour on a typical night when I worked for pizza joints. That's a lot to drive around in your car and listen to music for 90% of your shift.

[InfiniteBaskets]

I have no problem tipping, and ever since I've started working full-time after college I've tried to tip 20% unless the service was bad. I like the idea of tipping for service, but I've never worked as a waiter so I'm not sure how tips are usually split between the chefs / waiters / person at the front. But I do know that I take into consideration all of these things when I think about how much to tip.

The 20% tip thing does get a little skewed when you start going to higher end restaurants and an entree comes out to be $50 compared to like $12 or something at applebees. I'm sure it's harder to be a waiter or cook at a steak house, but is it 3 times as hard?

[Norcaliblunt]

Explain your "Fact" with the bartending industry where they are already having 1000% markup on a drink.


They would mark it up even more to pay the person serving it a livable wage.

[BMOGEFan]

They would mark it up even more to pay the person serving it a livable wage.

You do know bartenders usually show off claiming they pull in over $1000 on a good night.

Thats more than what a normal person makes in a week.

[Norcaliblunt]

You do know bartenders usually show off claiming they pull in over $1000 on a good night.

Thats more than what a normal person makes in a week.


So go become a bartender. No one is stopping you. A basketball player makes millions for playing a children's game. Life ain't fair.

[BMOGEFan]

So go become a bartender. No one is stopping you. A basketball player makes millions for playing a children's game. Life ain't fair.

You're right...so i'm not going to tip them. Life isn't fair...tough.

[boozehound]

btw tips are often split between staff so the cook might be getting some of your tip too
rarely. Generally the tips are split to busboys, bartenders, and other front of house staff. It is not very common for the cook or dishwasher to get a cut.

[Norcaliblunt]

You're right...so i'm not going to tip them. Life isn't fair...tough.


YAY! We've made progress. That's the beauty of the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't want to tip? Don't!

Just remember the day everyone starts doing that is the day prices go up though.

[andgar923]

Why does America have this consensus that people should tip 15%?

I mean these waitress/waiters are making at least minimum wage PLUS tips. This is almost $20-40 per hour. How is that even fair? Thats a very very good wage for someone without a college education and doing some trifling work.

Other jobs like CPAs or attorneys do not get tipped. In fact, with these occupations, people try to take advantage of them and demand free consultations before even signing a retainer with them

No other occupation requires tips, but why restaurants? If those waiters/waitress feel they are underpaid, they can always get another job.

People who work much harder jobs don't even make $20 per hour.

If there was any doubt, now we know you're black.

[Norcaliblunt]

rarely. Generally the tips are split to busboys, bartenders, and other front of house staff. It is not very common for the cook or dishwasher to get a cut.

Cooks and dishwashers are usually paid higher wages to compensate.

[BMOGEFan]

YAY! We've made progress. That's the beauty of the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't want to tip? Don't!

Just remember the day everyone starts doing that is the day prices go up though.

Then you make sure those waiters don't get all angry and start calling me an asshole.

[BMOGEFan]

If there was any doubt, now we know you're black.

I'm asian.

[Jailblazers7]

Meh, the way I have always viewed it is that the tip is the way I directly pay the waitstaff for the service they provide me. The price of the meal is what I pay the chef/restaurant for the food/cooking and the tip is what I pay the waitstaff for attending to me needs and cleaning my shit up after I'm done.

[Norcaliblunt]

Then you make sure those waiters don't get all angry and start calling me an asshole.


Oh that's the worst thing in the world to be called an asshole.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

You don't believe in it? Don't do it?

And if someone calls you an asshole, take it like a man and move on.

[BMOGEFan]

Oh that's the worst thing in the world to be called an asshole.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

You don't believe in it? Don't do it?

And if someone calls you an asshole, take it like a man and move on.

You can also tell those servers not to come out of the restaurant after me for not tipping.

[BMOGEFan]

Meh, the way I have always viewed it is that the tip is the way I directly pay the waitstaff for the service they provide me. The price of the meal is what I pay the chef/restaurant for the food/cooking and the tip is what I pay the waitstaff for attending to me needs and cleaning my shit up after I'm done.

Servers get paid on top of your tips.

Busboys clean your table. Servers only give you ur damn food. They don't even give you a fork anymore because the busboys set the tables for them.

[InfiniteBaskets]

I'm asian.

What is your view of tipping in general? Barber shops? Movers? Valet?

What about how some restaurants slap an 18% mandatory gratuity on your receipt when you come in with a group of 6 or more (speaking of NYC, but if this were to apply to you). Would you have a problem with that?

[Jailblazers7]

Servers get paid on top of your tips.

Busboys clean your table. Servers only give you ur damn food. They don't even give you a fork anymore because the busboys set the tables for them.

But I make more than them anyway so I don't give a shit. :confusedshrug:

[BMOGEFan]

What is your view of tipping in general? Barber shops? Movers? Valet?

What about how some restaurants slap an 18% mandatory gratuity on your receipt when you come in with a group of 6 or more (speaking of NYC, but if this were to apply to you). Would you have a problem with that?

I dont' want to tip any of these people. I do it because social stigma dictates that i do it.

For the mandatory gratuity, I avoid these places altogether.

[boozehound]

Cooks and dishwashers are usually paid higher wages to compensate.
that is true. They have to be paid minimum wage, whereas servers/bartenders do not. Still, when I was in the industry, the servers killed what we made. I made ~15/hour at my last cooking gig and the servers there would generally clear 200-300 per dinner shift. So, here I am, actually making all of the delicious food and walking away with 60-90 a night (depending on the day and what post I was stationed at), while the person who brought them the food made more than 3 times that much? Always made me mad, but I digress.

[boozehound]

I dont' want to tip any of these people. I do it because social stigma dictates that i do it.

For the mandatory gratuity, I avoid these places altogether.
just be a dick and dont tip then. who cares what they think of you? Just dont frequent a place enough that they know who you are.

[BMOGEFan]

Yeah, if you're gonna be an asshole don't be upset when someone calls you an asshole

So now i'm the asshole for not tipping???

[LamarOdom]

So now i'm the asshole for not tipping???

The way I see it either you TIP or they raise the prices, if they raise the prices they raise the salaries which means the waitresses won't work as hard to please you.

Next time don't be a asshole and tip.

[BMOGEFan]

No, I'm the asshole for tipping.


All valid points. People who've worked in retail know the hell it can be to work in retail, yet no one complaining about those people not getting tips. And please no one bring in the under minimum wage excuse, not for places like California.



so you must be a bigger asshole for not tipping your bagger or janitor.

Or what about being an asshole for demanding tips or threaten to spit in your food.

[andgar923]

that is true. They have to be paid minimum wage, whereas servers/bartenders do not. Still, when I was in the industry, the servers killed what we made. I made ~15/hour at my last cooking gig and the servers there would generally clear 200-300 per dinner shift. So, here I am, actually making all of the delicious food and walking away with 60-90 a night (depending on the day and what post I was stationed at), while the person who brought them the food made more than 3 times that much? Always made me mad, but I digress.
Customer service is just as and at times more important than the food itself.

Go to review sites and people will praise the food, but stop going to a restaurant based on the service. Then there's restaurants that are just okay, but customer service brings people back.

Shit, I know many people that stopped going to restaurants due to bad service even tho they loved the food there.

I do understand your POV, but they play a huge role in the success of a restaurant.

I tip generally tip well. If the service isn't up to par I pay the minimum, only once have I tipped inappropriately. A server was rude and I wanted to kick his ass, but to make a point I left 50cents as a tip. I tend to get good-great service for the most part, rarely have I received sub par service and if I did, the server was always apologetic. Usually because they were busy and whatnot, so I can understand.

[maybeshewill13]

If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.
This. Then you'll be stuck with high costs at restaurants as well as shitty service, just like here in Australia. It's pretty damn obvious those crying about tipping are those who mad as hell they we're too dumb to get a decent education, thus a job. Get a job you bums. Maybe as a waiter, seeing as though you think they're swimming in cash.

[daily]

They may get paid Min wage but getting the hours is hard. Most waiters in CA don't even get 20 hours a week. My neighbor works at 2 restaurants just to make ends meet while she goes to school.

$8 dollars an hour might be considered a fair wage but when you can only work 15 hours a week it's nowhere near enough to live on

[PHX_Phan]

I have a few questions for some of you:

Why do you tip based on a % of your bill? What if you came with some friends and you all snacked on appetizers and tossed back some drinks, requiring more frequent stops to your table but netting a relatively small bill. Do you still tip 15-20%?

What if an Applebee's server gave you great service but a server at a more high end restaurant gave you just above average service, do you tip the above average guy more because your bill was more?


I just don't get why people gauge their tips based on what their meal cost, and not on what they feel the server actually deserved for what they did. Or, for that matter, why 2-3 bucks is considered a bad or average tip.

[Just2McFly]

People are so locked into their way of thinking that they fail to realize that other countries have cultures(yes there is civilization outside of NA) that tipping isn't mainstream. They do their job just because they have work ethic and don't need extra incentive to give their best. Sundizz touched on this, ShannonElements also did YEARS ago. So restaurants do survive without tips. It actually happens guys.

The vast majority of us tip on this board and we all have our own reasons. I hate the concept and agree with Rad's breakdown, it's basically extortion. Growing up my mom was a waitress and my dad was a dishwasher/cook. I was raised to tip well but even they don't like the economics of the business. It's all ****ed.

The concept of paying your employee like shit and making them rely on the customer doubly for a living wage is downright sinister.