Duncan now has the highest personal winning percentage in nba history

[Purch]

Tim Duncan had 16 points, eight rebounds and four blocked shots as the Spurs took command early and lengthened their lead throughout a 109-86 victory over the visiting 76ers. It was the 819th time that Duncan has played in an NBA victory, tying Shaquille O'Neal's career total of wins played in, which is the ninth-highest in league history. But while Shaq played in 388 losses, Duncan has played in only 327 losses, giving Duncan the highest personal winning percentage (.715) among the 105 players in NBA history who have played in at least 1,000 games.

[selrahc]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

[KungFuJoe]

If Kobe won all the games he lost, he would have a 100% winning percentage.

[FKAri]

Poppovich is the GOAT

[Artillery]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

Kobe has Dwight, Pau, Nash on his team and they still suck. Kobe's a system player - Without Phil Jackson and the triangle it's impossible to build around him.

[jlip]

I was going to mention that Bird's personal win % was higher, but he doesn't qualify for the 1000 game minimum.

[DonDadda59]

The Bill Russell of his era (with infinitely more skill). People won't realize his true greatness until after he's gone :bowdown:

[Rose]

I was going to mention that Bird's personal win % was higher, but he doesn't qualify for the 1000 game minimum.
I was gonna say the same thing.

Damn impressive mark by Timmy, and admittedly I didn't know Shaq was the leader previously, I just assumed it was Bird or maybe Magic.:lol

[ThaRegul8r]

The Bill Russell of his era (with infinitely more skill). People won't realize his true greatness until after he's gone :bowdown:

If people said he was "boring" while he was playing, people aren't going to suddenly become appreciative of him after he's gone. I remember reading in 2007 after the Spurs' last title people taking exception to the assertion that Duncan was a Top 10 GOAT player. You overestimate people.

And after Duncan retires, he'll then be a player from a past era, which means that people would discredit and disparage him, as they do to everyone who isn't playing in the here and now.

[MetsPackers]

Just another reason why you can't rank Kobe over Duncan all time without being a homer. Another there are infinite other reasons; it just really goes to show that you can't keep TD out of you're top 10 reasonably. And if he's only like #8, is Kobe even top 10 at all? :confusedshrug:

Yes im bringing Kobe into this dammit! This thread needs replies!

[IGotACoolStory]

Don't the Spurs have an absurd streak of 50+ regular seasons going right now?

This is not surprising. Shaq being the previous leader is.

[tpols]

Props to Duncan for this year.. But what about his down years the past couple seasons when the spurs still were getting one seeds? He's got the best coaching, talent development, and overall team of any superstar right now. Tony Parker has been the best player on the Spurs for a while until this year. Manu was better too.

Guess Lamar Odom should get more credit for the Lakers success from 08-10 being their third option as well.

[ThaRegul8r]

Props to Duncan for this year.. But what about his down years the past couple seasons when the spurs still were getting one seeds?

Spurs won four titles when Duncan was the best player. What have they won after Duncan reached his down years again?

[Pointguard]

To me Duncan is the most impressive winner there ever was in this league. His teammates were never all star level cept maybe Robinson for two years? Plus he played in the same era as Kobe and Shaq, both of whom compete for having the best teammates talent wise, than probably any other single star ever in the league. That's a real accomplishment on Duncan's part.

To me the only guys that had a real intimate relationship with winning were Russell, Duncan and Magic. Bird has a case and I'm missing one other person at the moment.

[tpols]

Spurs won four titles when Duncan was the best player. What have they won after Duncan reached his down years again?
This thread is about personal win percentage.. Which is regular season wins. The spurs no doubt haven't been a true title contender since Duncan declined. They've been getting by with unbelievable coaching and accountability on both sides of the ball. Duncan could've not been on the team the past few years and they would've been a 3-4 seed at worst. The spurs out game plan everyone but they don't have the talent to win in the playoffs.

Duncan KNOWS this.. He watched the team do great and up his 'personal win perxentage' but fail miserably in the playoffs. That's why he turned it up this year. Duncan ain't dumb.. He knows this team needs him to beast if they're going anywhere.

[Purch]

Props to Duncan for this year.. But what about his down years the past couple seasons when the spurs still were getting one seeds? He's got the best coaching, talent development, and overall team of any superstar right now. Tony Parker has been the best player on the Spurs for a while until this year. Manu was better too.

Guess Lamar Odom should get more credit for the Lakers success from 08-10 being their third option as well.

Being able to take a lesser role in the offense when you're past your prime, for the betterment of the team shouldn't take away from a legacy, it should add to it if anything.

[TonyD]

:applause:

Who doesn't like winning?

[ThaRegul8r]

This thread is about personal win percentage.. Which is regular season wins.

Point.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Spurs won four titles when Duncan was the best player. What have they won after Duncan reached his down years again?


This. Kobe ******gers need to get over the fact TD was the better player.

[guy]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

Poor baby. He didn't have championship talent around him EVERY year of his career. :oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

To me Duncan is the most impressive winner there ever was in this league. His teammates were never all star level cept maybe Robinson for two years? Plus he played in the same era as Kobe and Shaq, both of whom compete for having the best teammates talent wise, than probably any other single star ever in the league. That's a real accomplishment on Duncan's part.

To me the only guys that had a real intimate relationship with winning were Russell, Duncan and Magic. Bird has a case and I'm missing one other person at the moment.

"All star level" doesn't matter. It's what you can do in the spaces you have.

Parker and Manu were/are amazing players. Top players at what I just said... after a certain point, they weren't losing games because of how those guys played often.

If a guy can get you 20 along side a superstar does it really matter if he can't get you 30 by himself?

-Smak

[tpols]

"All star level" doesn't matter. It's what you can do in the spaces you have.

Parker and Manu were/are amazing players. Top players at what I just said... after a certain point, they weren't losing games because of how those guys played often.

If a guy can get you 20 along side a superstar does it really matter if he can't get you 30 by himself?

-Smak
The spurs grab smart, professional European basketball players that are used to running efficient offensive sets and being held accountable if the team was losing. These guys are then coordinated by a mastermind coach and it's easy to build chemistry when guys have always played team basketball and are used to that style of play.

Every other team in the nba tries to land the biggest, fastest strongest black guy to carry their team.. And then that guy diminishes everyone else's confidence because the rest if the team feels second to him. It's stupid building based on luck if your star ends up exploding.

The spurs have a proven formula for winning regular season games that goes way way past Duncan as an individual player.. That's why this doesn't mean much.

[MetsPackers]

Props to Duncan for this year.. But what about his down years the past couple seasons when the spurs still were getting one seeds? He's got the best coaching, talent development, and overall team of any superstar right now. Tony Parker has been the best player on the Spurs for a while until this year. Manu was better too.

Guess Lamar Odom should get more credit for the Lakers success from 08-10 being their third option as well.

Keep sippin on that haterade kid. Even in Duncan's "down years" he still dominated the paint on both ends of the floor no doubt. Statistical dips don't necessarily justify "down years" when your team is still the best in the west and you're consistently the most dominant big man in the game


Duncan could've not been on the team the past few years and they would've been a 3-4 seed at worst.

:roll: keep telling yourself that

[tpols]

Keep sippin on that haterade kid. Even in Duncan's "down years" he still dominated the paint on both ends of the floor no doubt. Statistical dips don't necessarily justify "down years" when your team is still the best in the west and you're consistently the most dominant big man in the game



:roll: keep telling yourself that
Duncan wasn't even close to the most dominant big man in the league before this year for a good amount of time. You're a retard. :oldlol:

[Y2Gezee]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

You mean the result of Kobe chasing away the guy that handed him 3 rings, that resulted in him having to play with the type of cast that other guys that could've won with Shaq did? Guys like Pierce/Tmac/Iverson/ and Wade who played with the pieces traded for Shaq and won a title with Shaq?

And we should feel sorry for Kobe and use a couple of down years as an excuse why?

Evidently playing with Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, Ron Artest, Antawn Jamison, Pau Gasol isn't good enough either.

[TheBigVeto]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

LOL u :mad:?


Props to Duncan, GOAT PF and GOAT player since Michael Jordan.

[Blue&Orange]

We all know it's Kobe running the show, whatever Kobe wants it happens. Kobe wanted D'Antoni he got it, Kobe wanted Howard and get rid of Bynum he got it. Like he wanted Shaq and Phil out and he got it.

Off-course Kobef@ggotts keep blaming everyone else, and even putting Kobe ahead of Duncan when Duncan never damaged the Spurs franchise in any way.

Duncan :bowdown:

[knicksman]

considering he played for a small market and his teammates were not lottery picks, I would really consider duncan as one of the GOATS competing with jordan.

[Pointguard]

"All star level" doesn't matter. It's what you can do in the spaces you have.

Parker and Manu were/are amazing players. Top players at what I just said... after a certain point, they weren't losing games because of how those guys played often.

If a guy can get you 20 along side a superstar does it really matter if he can't get you 30 by himself?

-Smak
Often and consistently are two different things. Winning ways are based on consistency in good play. You most often get that from very good players - in this case, its the regular season. All stars are usually among the best of players. No Duncan, no wins.

Manu was never a steady and consistent contributor in the regular season. Rarely ever averaged above 30 minutes per game. The vast majority of his career he averaged less than half of game played. Whether he missed 45 games or the usual 10 it never affected win totals during the year. He played 44 games in '09 they still win the division. In '06 he misses 18 games they have the best record in the league. In the playoffs he means a bit more but not in this conversation. In the regular season he was always a part-timer that could not be counted on.

Parker is a good player and a steady player but his strengths can't be counted on. He will rarely ever get 10 assist. He's not going to steal the ball much. He's going to be blown by. He might get you 18 points tonight but he's much more likely to get 15. With Parker you expect a below average point guard output. He's not multidimensional, he doesn't make his teammates better. Prime Duncan was a better set up player. When Gin would go down it was rare for Parker to take up the slack. Parker had one year that stood out in 13. To say he's effectively similar to an all star just isn't correct. He is rarely similar to an allstar and has one strength that can't be counted on - his tear drop.

My bad he's a good penetrator as well but it doesn't merit he should be talked about as a valid number two guy for the winning est ever.

[ZaaaaaH]

Great Job Timmy !

[Y2Gezee]

That really is an incredible record to have. If you're going to have a record, personal winning percentage to go with 4 rings can shut a lot of people up in an argument. It's a team thing still at the end of the day, and joining an elite team with DRob helps...but no one can deny how important Duncan has been since day 1.

Props Timmy.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just another reason why you can't rank Kobe over Duncan all time without being a homer. Another there are infinite other reasons; it just really goes to show that you can't keep TD out of you're top 10 reasonably. And if he's only like #8, is Kobe even top 10 at all? :confusedshrug:

Yes im bringing Kobe into this dammit! This thread needs replies!
Kobe has a history of dominating the Spurs, so yes you can rank Kobe over Duncan, and most do. But you had to start something didn't you? Great accomplishment by Duncan :applause:

[Clifton]

Duncan/Popovich are a paragon of excellence. Unlike the great college programs they don't get the biggest names to sign with them every year because of their reputation; unlike the Lakers and Celtics they have no historical tradition nor the favor of the commissioner so that they seem to keep getting great players for nothing; and unlike Showtime or the 80s Celtics they aren't loaded with HOFers top to bottom.

Yes, their excellence is based on an accident/fluke, that of getting the #1 pick when they were already a good team because of an injury; but everything after that was earned, and it was never based on any individual talent.

Every team in every sport at every level has something to learn from studying the Spurs, I think; and every individual player has something to learn from studying their players.

[lilgodfather1]

Congratulations on a meaningless record that likely less than 500 people in the entire world know about. :applause: Kind of the same thing as Pauk's missed triple doubles record that LeBron has...

[DonDadda59]

Congratulations on a meaningless record that likely less than 500 people in the entire world know about. :applause: Kind of the same thing as Pauk's missed triple doubles record that LeBron has...

How the hell is the highest winning percentage in NBA history 'meaningless'? :biggums:

http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/27236_UhcxRVrPcywUOXE.jpg

Under Duncan's tenure, no team in sports, let alone basketball has a better win percentage during the same span. If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack.

[Derka]

:applause: Hard not to love Tim Duncan and the Spurs.

[BigHaDaddy]

First of all, how can you spew stats that are not even correct and act like they're right?

The vast majority of his career, he averaged less than half of a game played? He's played in 84% of the team's total games. Even though he doesn't play high minutes, when he plays, he's highly effective and was the 3rd best SG in the league behind Kobe and Wade during the past 10 years. He's also highly efficient and can create his own shot.

Parker is another efficient guard who shoots 50% and can create his own shot. He's more likely to get 15 points than 18 points? He averages 19 points a game and he's averaged 19PPG over the past 8 years. This year he has 12 games over 10 assists. Last year, he averaged a career high 7.7 APG.

Don't try to be like a Kobe fan who tears into his teammates to make Kobe look good. Duncan has had a solid supporting cast.

[bdreason]

Duncan definitely had a solid supporting cast. You don't win 50 games every year without a solid team.



But Kobe was the supporting cast for much of his career. That's why when he tried to carry a team, the best he managed was a 7th seed and 1st round exit... which is exactly what would happen if Parker and Ginobili tried to carry the Spurs.

[miles berg]

if it wasnt for those years where kobe had smush parker and kwame brown he would be the highest

Makes up form the years Shaq and Phil carried him.

In fact look at his winning % without Phil lol.

[chips93]

Kobe's a system player - Without Phil Jackson and the triangle it's impossible to build around him.

:facepalm


If Kobe won all the games he lost, he would have a 100% winning percentage.

:roll:

[Just2McFly]

Totally forgot this was a team game for a second.

[SCdac]

Duncan won his second MVP & Finals MVP when Parker was a second year player and Manu was a rookie. The amazingness that is Duncan is that he's won with evolving rosters of role players, veterans, and not many stars. Winning a championship 8 seasons apart while leading the team in scoring in the playoffs is quite the feat, let alone the personal winning percentage. The stat itself is self-explanatory; put Duncan in the game and the likelihood of winning rising significantly. Ultimate two-way player. Groundhog Day.

[Pointguard]

First of all, how can you spew stats that are not even correct and act like they're right?

The vast majority of his career, he averaged less than half of a game played? He's played in 84% of the team's total games. Even though he doesn't play high minutes, when he plays, he's highly effective and was the 3rd best SG in the league behind Kobe and Wade during the past 10 years. He's also highly efficient and can create his own shot.

My bad it wasn't a vast majority. I'm talking 48mins x 82 games. That's 3936 minutes in a full game. His career average is 1860 mins per season a bit less than half a game - pretty close (1968 is half a game mark) but not enough to be a big time contributor. This isn't football. Harden, Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, play all out way too much more than Manu and had way too much more responsibility than Manu. Atlanta had a very good record the last four years and if Joe Johnson played less than half of the available minutes they are a loosing team. Noway could Manu carry a team because his playing is way too erratic and never enough to carry. On a day to day he's not any of those players during the regular season. Seattle, Atlanta, Philly and currently Houston would be bad teams if they had to depend on Gin.

Kevin Martin and Stephon Curry would be close to stars if they played more. But its justified to say they don't deserve it. If the Clippers win it all Jamal Crawford is playing Gin's role right now cept he was leading his team in scoring (hits clutch shots as well). He's not looked at as part of the franchise, tho. 4th or 5th best player on the team? If he was playing starter minutes he would be looked at differently.


Parker is another efficient guard who shoots 50% and can create his own shot. He's more likely to get 15 points than 18 points? He averages 19 points a game and he's averaged 19PPG over the past 8 years. This year he has 12 games over 10 assists. Last year, he averaged a career high 7.7 APG.

Don't try to be like a Kobe fan who tears into his teammates to make Kobe look good. Duncan has had a solid supporting cast.

Parker only averaged more than 19 ppg once in his career - A very good 22ppg. Only once did he average more than 7 assist per game. He's a solid player, at times a very good player, but I don't think he was ever a top point guard. You have to remember Kobe was number two guy for almost half of Duncan's career. Shaq #2 for like four years. Pierce for like five years. Nash or Amare for six years. They all had very solid strengths much more pronounced than Parker. Parker is a step down from those guys. And he missed a lot of games too. Not a knock on Parker at all but a lot of the time Duncan didn't know who was going show up.