OKC's Starting Center

[KG215]

Some interesting tidbits...

- Averages 25.0 MPG

- Averages 5.7 RPG. OKC's starting PG averages 5.1 RPG.

- Averages 4.3 PPG

- Season high in points is 12

- Has only scored in double figures 3 times

- Has scored 0 points in seven games

- Has one 1-point game and three 2-point games

- In nearly 1/3rd of OKC's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 11

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 17 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 7 games of 1-3 rebounds


And I get it, there's a lot of teams that would kill to be in OKC's position. They have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Martin, and a lockdown perimeter defender. And you know what? I could probably live with his night in and night out awfulness if I didn't know we didn't have three 1st round picks, Perry Jones, and Jeremy Lamb to package in a trade.

[chazzy]

but he's tough!

[FKAri]

OKC has been the most stacked team in the NBA for 3 years running now...who gives a fukc about this blemish?

[Dave3]

What upsets me most about the post is the last line. You guys have 2 young potential loaded rookies that you're forcing onto your bench just because you're too good already. That's so much of a waste. Like you said, trade them all and get a big man.

[maybeshewill13]

We're not winning a ring if Presti continues to keep playing this ****ing scrub 25 minutes a game. How many more finals losses will it take till his fat ass is finally traded/amnestied? We have the pieces wasting away in the D league to make a trade.. ****ING DO IT ALREADY!!

[KG215]

What upsets me most about the post is the last line. You guys have 2 young potential loaded rookies that you're forcing onto your bench just because you're too good already. That's so much of a waste. Like you said, trade them all and get a big man.
I honestly wouldn't even care about Perkins if, like I said, we didn't have a ton of assets to package in a trade for a competent big man or to get some more bench scoring. I'd love for PJ3 and/or Lamb to get some PT instead of spending most of the year on the D-League team, but there's really just not any minutes for them right now. We can't really afford to experiment with rookies which could cost us a game or two, when HCA in the playoffs means so much. Maybe if the bench was deeper and had more scorers, but right now it's Martin, an excellent energy/glue guy in Collison, and then a second year project in Jackson, and Hasheem Thabeet.

But f***, we've got two rookies who probably half the teams in the league would love to have and develop in their rebuilding project AND three first round draft picks, one of which is a guaranteed lottery pick at some point.

[Fudge]

As long as we have Perkins starting, we're never gonna beat Miami, if we see them in the Finals again. Dead serious. Any team with effective P&R's will kill us. Perk's probably the worst P&R defender i've ever seen.

[KG215]

I knew he had some 0 point games, but I thought it was just two, or three tops. But seven? Seven games he's given us 0 points? So basically once ever five games we know we're going to get nada from Perkins in the scoring column.

[roffie]

he's just warming up. but in all seriousness.. why doesn't collison start. dude's got game

[TylerOO]

Whats the win percentage since he's got there though?

Oh yeah, thats what I thought.

[maybeshewill13]

I knew he had some 0 point games, but I thought it was just two, or three tops. But seven? Seven games he's given us 0 points? So basically once ever five games we know we're going to get nada from Perkins in the scoring column.
Dude should seriously put all that weight back on. Actually, he should get to about 4-500 pounds and just sit in the paint, move a foot out every few seconds. At least he'd be a bigger body and would still have the same impact he has now.

[Fudge]

Dude should seriously put all that weight back on. Actually, he should get to about 4-500 pounds and just sit in the paint, move a foot out every few seconds. At least he'd be a bigger body and would still have the same impact he has now.
So true. :lol

[KG215]

he's just warming up. but in all seriousness.. why doesn't collison start. dude's got game
Because if Collison started we'd have one of the worst benches in the league.

A second unit of Martin-Perkins-Thabeet-Jackson? God, please no.

[maybeshewill13]

Because if Collison started we'd have one of the worst benches in the league.

A second unit of Martin-Perkins-Thabeet-Jackson? God, please no.
Lmao what a train wreck.

Seriously I've always had trust in Presti, but I have no ****ing idea what he's doing with this. We've got great trade assets wasting away in the D league and valuable picks just sitting there. We obviously have a huge ***** in our armor at the C spot. Why not use these pieces to win us some titles? I cannot for the life of my understand what's taking so long..

[pnyozzzoo]

Kendrick Perkins ‏@KendrickPerkins

Too all my haters , check my win percentage since I Been in Okc , Crazy

[KG215]

Kendrick Perkins ‏@KendrickPerkins

Too all my haters , check my win percentage since I Been in Okc , Crazy
:bowdown: :bowdown:

Put the team on his back and carried them to the Finals last year! Almost did the same thing two years ago carrying them to the WCF!

[andremiller07]

I've been asking for ages why not just play Collison extended mins if hes capable, but I have to assume he must not be since they don't play him that long. I remember hes had knee issues is that whats stopping him or is it a coaching thing.

Collison, Ibaka, WB, KD, Thabo seems like a really legit line up who you going to double off? Collison can stroke it and hes as smart as anyone in moving or cutting to the right spot. Hes also the best big that rolls to the rim OKC has.

[All Net]

I understand the frustration but I don't think thunder fans should be moaning with the team and assets they have right now and going forward.

[pnyozzzoo]

Lmao what a train wreck.

Seriously I've always had trust in Presti, but I have no ****ing idea what he's doing with this. We've got great trade assets wasting away in the D league and valuable picks just sitting there. We obviously have a huge ***** in our armor at the C spot. Why not use these pieces to win us some titles? I cannot for the life of my understand what's taking so long..
seriously, Presti is like a drafting god,prob the best at getting you franchise players, prob like 4 on last year thunder. But he is not good at getting good roles players, same collison from Seattle and blah, dude even want to trade more stars for more draft so he can work his mojo.

Morey is like can never get franchise player but genius at managing good role players. just 1 example dude bought a sec round pick for 1 million dollar(which was too expensive back then) and draft Landry and landry turns out crazy good role player and flipped for Kmart, and got Rafer for cheap then flip him into Lowry and then lowry become real good does not want to stay somehow he flip lowry to toronto for their lottery draft. Bam that's the Harden deal with some picks. Not to mention the bazzillion sec rounders in chase budinger, chandler parson, undrafted greg smith, 1 year 3 mill Delfino when no one signs him and flip Camby for Dougie who now shoots 43% 3s.

[KG215]

seriously, Presti is like a drafting god,prob the best at getting you franchise players, prob like 4 on last year thunder. But he is not good at getting good roles players, same collison from Seattle and blah, dude even want to trade more stars for more draft so he can work his mojo.

Yeah, not real sure it's fair to say he's not good at getting good role players. Thabo, Collison, Ibaka (who's turned into more than a roe player this year), and even Harden before breaking out big time two years ago are or were great role players for OKC. It's developing a bench with more than one scorer that's been a problem. And even then I'm not going to say he can't or won't do it. He took over a terrible team and had to spend the first few years developing the core and getting the cornerstone pieces. Getting those guys -- Durant, Westbrook, Harden (now Martin), and Ibaka -- took time and it's been in just the last couple of years we've seen they all were going to pay off. I don't think he's simply sitting on those draft picks so he can "work his magic" again. I think now, that the foundation is set, he's going to start working on the rest of the team.

Who knows, maybe he's waiting to hold onto Toronto's pick until after the lottery to see where it lands, because this draft is going to provide some decent centers. Maybe not any future franchise centers, but good solid starting centers which is all OKC needs.

[pnyozzzoo]

Yeah, not real sure it's fair to say he's not good at getting good role players. Thabo, Collison, Ibaka (who's turned into more than a roe player this year), and even Harden before breaking out big time two years ago are or were great role players for OKC. It's developing a bench with more than one scorer that's been a problem. And even then I'm not going to say he can't or won't do it. He took over a terrible team and had to spend the first few years developing the core and getting the cornerstone pieces. Getting those guys -- Durant, Westbrook, Harden (now Martin), and Ibaka -- took time and it's been in just the last couple of years we've seen they all were going to pay off. I don't think he's simply sitting on those draft picks so he can "work his magic" again. I think now, that the foundation is set, he's going to start working on the rest of the team.

Who knows, maybe he's waiting to hold onto Toronto's pick until after the lottery to see where it lands, because this draft is going to provide some decent centers. Maybe not any future franchise centers, but good solid starting centers which is all OKC needs.

I counted Ibaka and Harden as those 4 Franchise players. not role player. Presti basically got 4 franchise players on a team.

I am that high on Ibaka, he is not a franchise player that lead you to play off yet but he is better than any dude on cats, detriot, bucks, those scrub teams last year.

He is just raw but crazy athletic, I mean Crazy athletic is not that scary in this league there is always a few coming in each year. But a Crazy Athletic dude that works hard to improve his fundamental and willing to learn is scary. In a few years he will be better than a lot middling team's franchise player. I mean ffs I like his jumper 10 times more than Blake's. Who knows if he can get a couple decent post move, some dribble move. And use his brain in defense more.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kendrick Perkins ‏@KendrickPerkins

Too all my haters , check my win percentage since I Been in Okc , Crazy
lmao check mike miller's win percentage since he went to Miami in 2010 LOL.

[ScarSymmetry]

I counted Ibaka and Harden as those 4 Franchise players. not role player. Presti basically got 4 franchise players on a team.

I am that high on Ibaka, he is not a franchise player that lead you to play off yet but he is better than any dude on cats, detriot, bucks, those scrub teams last year.

He is just raw but crazy athletic, I mean Crazy athletic is not that scary in this league there is always a few coming in each year. But a Crazy Athletic dude that works hard to improve his fundamental and willing to learn is scary. In a few years he will be better than a lot middling team's franchise player. I mean ffs I like his jumper 10 times more than Blake's. Who knows if he can get a couple decent post move, some dribble move. And use his brain in defense more.


Totally agree. about Ibaka. I wonder if he will be an all-star in the near future?

[KG215]

Totally agree. about Ibaka. I wonder if he will be an all-star in the near future?
He probably will, even if it's only because he's a really good player, albeit third best player, on one of the best teams in the league record wise. You know, in a few years say OKC has the best record in the league and Ibaka is averaging 16-10-3, he'll probably make it.

He's averaging 15-9-3 this year on 57% shooting, but I don't think he'll make it as a reserve. This is essentially his breakout year so he doesn't really have the reputation to get in as a coach's pick. But he's just 23 years old so there's plenty of time if he stays healthy and continues to improve and progress at this rate.

[nightprowler10]

Varejao would be a great fit I think. He can run the floor with that young OKC team.

[lilgodfather1]

Varejao would be a great fit I think. He can run the floor with that young OKC team.
This is pretty much the trade that both teams fans want from what i've seen/heard so far, but neither GM will get "beaten" in a trade, even if it makes tons of sense.

[pnyozzzoo]

I hope OKC do not get Andy, I feel he is overachieving like crazy. also He can turn into an injury prone and OKC will be ****ed at center spot with Collison only.
He is busting his ass for the last big contract. It's a trap. OKC need someone young and healthy to grow with the team. of course serviceable as the get go at least.

Maybe give back Raptor pick and some other assets for Valacunas, lol the raptors.

[Nick Young]

Scrubdrick Scrubkins living up to his nickname

[USABall]

I hope OKC do not get Andy, I feel he is overachieving like crazy. also He can turn into an injury prone and OKC will be ****ed at center spot with Collison only.
He is busting his ass for the last big contract. It's a trap. OKC need someone young and healthy to grow with the team. of course serviceable as the get go at least.

Maybe give back Raptor pick and some other assets for Valacunas, lol the raptors.


excellent prediction :O :bowdown:

[pnyozzzoo]

I hope OKC do not get Andy, I feel he is overachieving like crazy. also He can turn into an injury prone and OKC will be ****ed at center spot with Collison only.
He is busting his ass for the last big contract. It's a trap. OKC need someone young and healthy to grow with the team. of course serviceable as the get go at least.

Maybe give back Raptor pick and some other assets for Valacunas, lol the raptors.
OMFG I said this 30 mins before the news break out OMFG I should be hired by a team scout:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[TaLvsCuaL]

Gortat would fit perfectly too

[KG215]

Perkins exploded for 6 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.

:bowdown:

[Fudge]

Perkins exploded for 6 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.

:bowdown:
Career night. :applause:

[Graviton]

Perkins exploded for 6 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.

:bowdown:
Against Shaqre and Clarkan! Along with Kareemson!

[KG215]

Against Shaqre and Clarkan! Along with Kareemson!
Shhhh..don't talk about it and maybe no one will figure that out.

[KG215]

Career night. :applause:
Seriously, for most centers in the league, that's the equivalent of a 20-15-5 game.

[Magic bird]

Perkins exploded for 6 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.

:bowdown:
:roll: :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Career night. :applause:
:roll:

[All Net]

Seriously, for most centers in the league, that's the equivalent of a 20-15-5 game.

Hey give credit where it's due.

[maybeshewill13]

He also entertained us with a few hilariously bad turnovers. Good guy Perkins :bowdown:

[All Net]

He also entertained us with a few hilariously bad turnovers. Good guy Perkins :bowdown:

That behind the back pass was quality.

[Jameerthefear]

Lol @ OKC fans complaining about their lineup

[Doctor Rivers]

Some interesting tidbits...

- Averages 25.0 MPG

- Averages 5.7 RPG. OKC's starting PG averages 5.1 RPG.

- Averages 4.3 PPG

- Season high in points is 12

- Has only scored in double figures 3 times

- Has scored 0 points in seven games

- Has one 1-point game and three 2-point games

- In nearly 1/3rd of OKC's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 11

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 17 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 7 games of 1-3 rebounds


And I get it, there's a lot of teams that would kill to be in OKC's position. They have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Martin, and a lockdown perimeter defender. And you know what? I could probably live with his night in and night out awfulness if I didn't know we didn't have three 1st round picks, Perry Jones, and Jeremy Lamb to package in a trade.

They will sign Andrew Bynum in the off season

[Basketbolero]

I remember some people arguing Perkins being better than Bynum before the trade :oldlol: I mean, Bynum is always injured but c'mon...

[BoutPractice]

He's good at what he does, but you have to pay attention.
He sets strong screens, boxes out (so even if he doesn't get a rebound himself he prevents the other team from getting it), neutralizes back to the basket play, scares the opponent and brings a toughness and blue collar ethic to his club.

[kurple]

people are underrating perkins. it aint all about the stats

he's clearly a lockerroom and defensive leader

[Harison]

I like him as a person, but as a player is limited. In Boston he had a perfect team for him - they covered his weaknesses and emphasized his strengths, in OKC he has to shine on his own.

Scoring is not a big issue in OKC, but Perk really has to work on rebounding and improving defense, otherwise he will be dropped as a hot potato sooner or later.

[Fudge]

Scoring is not a big issue in OKC, but Perk really has to work on rebounding and improving defense, otherwise he will be dropped as a hot potato sooner or later.
This. His scoring isn't the issue for me, it's his defense and rebounding that's been terrible. And don't give me any of this "locker room leadership" and all that, I'm not buying it at this point.

He had a good night for his standards last night though. I'll give credit where it's due.

[Dictator]

Whining with an already stacked team.

:facepalm

[maybeshewill13]

Whining with an already stacked team.

:facepalm
Why wouldn't we? We have the trade assets to get someone like Gortat but instead we leave then rotting in the d-league.. Yeah I'd we didn't have any trade assets you'd suck it up, but we have plenty yet for some reason are refusing to make a move to add the piece which can put us over Miami and win us rings. Hopefully we make one before the trade deadline.

[KG215]

Why wouldn't we? We have the trade assets to get someone like Gortat but instead we leave then rotting in the d-league.. Yeah if we didn't have any trade assets you'd suck it up, but we have plenty yet for some reason are refusing to make a move to add the piece which can put us over Miami and win us rings. Hopefully we make one before the trade deadline.
This. If OKC didn't have three first round picks (one that's a guaranteed lottery pick) and Jeremy Lamb and Perry Jones as trade assets, they wouldn't complain nearly as much about Perkins.

[pmj]

Some interesting tidbits...

- Averages 25.0 MPG

- Averages 5.7 RPG. OKC's starting PG averages 5.1 RPG.

- Averages 4.3 PPG

- Season high in points is 12

- Has only scored in double figures 3 times

- Has scored 0 points in seven games

- Has one 1-point game and three 2-point games

- In nearly 1/3rd of OKC's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 11

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 17 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 7 games of 1-3 rebounds


And I get it, there's a lot of teams that would kill to be in OKC's position. They have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Martin, and a lockdown perimeter defender. And you know what? I could probably live with his night in and night out awfulness if I didn't know we didn't have three 1st round picks, Perry Jones, and Jeremy Lamb to package in a trade.

Heat starting PF and captain over Lebron:

- Averages 19.6 MPG

- Averages 5.2 RPG.

- Averages 3.6 PPG

- Season high in points is 13

- Has only scored in double figures 4 times

- Has scored 0 points in eight games

- Has TEN 2-point games

- In 56% of Miami's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 12

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 16 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 9 games of 1-3 rebounds

- Gets force fed minutes at PF which in turn makes Bosh play out of position

- And unlike Perkins, CANNOT defend any Centers with legit size. Routinely gets shat upon, yet still, gets force fed minutes, force fed team captain, and lauded as the "heart and soul" of the Heat.

[PyrrhusX]

Heat starting PF and captain over Lebron:

- Averages 19.6 MPG

- Averages 5.2 RPG.

- Averages 3.6 PPG

- Season high in points is 13

- Has only scored in double figures 4 times

- Has scored 0 points in eight games

- Has TEN 2-point games

- In 56% of Miami's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 12

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 16 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 9 games of 1-3 rebounds

- Gets force fed minutes at PF which in turn makes Bosh play out of position

- And unlike Perkins, CANNOT defend any Centers with legit size. Routinely gets shat upon, yet still, gets force fed minutes, force fed team captain, and lauded as the "heart and soul" of the Heat.

Then start a thread for him? This is about perk. Also how much do they earn in comparison?

I don't get why people are complaining about OKC fans bitching about perk. Last I checked we were in win now mode with assets to make the team better.

[KG215]

Heat starting PF and captain over Lebron:

- Averages 19.6 MPG

- Averages 5.2 RPG.

- Averages 3.6 PPG

- Season high in points is 13
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif
- Has only scored in double figures 4 times

- Has scored 0 points in eight games

- Has TEN 2-point games

- In 56% of Miami's games he has scored 0-2 points

- Season high in rebounds is 12

- Has only grabbed double digit rebounds in 2 games

- Has 16 games of 1-5 rebounds

- Has 9 games of 1-3 rebounds

- Gets force fed minutes at PF which in turn makes Bosh play out of position

- And unlike Perkins, CANNOT defend any Centers with legit size. Routinely gets shat upon, yet still, gets force fed minutes, force fed team captain, and lauded as the "heart and soul" of the Heat.

I think you misread the thread title. It says "OKC's Starting Center" not "Miami's Starting PF". It's ok, easy mistake to make. I completely misread words all the time.

[Clifton]

There is such a thing as having a team that's too good. Remember the 2004 Lakers?

The Thunder have neither the coach nor the point guard to make a lot of really good offensive players work well together. Suppose Perkins were replaced with a player we all know can put up 20 points. The offense becomes something that requires balance and ego-massaging; it's no longer just Durant and Westbrook effortlessly dominating and everyone else playing D and hitting open shots. They've got 2 great offensive players and 2 good ones, and they're perfect. I think if they had any more offensive proficiency they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Obviously I'm being a little dumb here - of course if their center were scoring ten points instead of five - making the basic shots off the pass Perkins consistently misses - they'd be better. But how much better? And what would they lose with the chemistry and camaraderie they've developed?

And despite all his mediocrity in every statistical area... the fact is he's still a rock solid defender in the paint, and that's good to have come playoff time. He doesn't block shots too much, but they've got Ibaka.

You'll seldom have another team's big man come in and have a ten point first quarter and set the tone. That's real important. That's what Perk guarantees. They've still gotta go through the Spurs and probably the Lakers, and oh yeah maybe the Clippers and Grizz, all of whom can kill you with their big men, before they get their rematch with the Heat (in which they should limit Perk's minutes to under 20).

[maybeshewill13]

There is such a thing as having a team that's too good. Remember the 2004 Lakers?

The Thunder have neither the coach nor the point guard to make a lot of really good offensive players work well together. Suppose Perkins were replaced with a player we all know can put up 20 points. The offense becomes something that requires balance and ego-massaging; it's no longer just Durant and Westbrook effortlessly dominating and everyone else playing D and hitting open shots. They've got 2 great offensive players and 2 good ones, and they're perfect. I think if they had any more offensive proficiency they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Obviously I'm being a little dumb here - of course if their center were scoring ten points instead of five - making the basic shots off the pass Perkins consistently misses - they'd be better. But how much better? And what would they lose with the chemistry and camaraderie they've developed?

And despite all his mediocrity in every statistical area... the fact is he's still a rock solid defender in the paint, and that's good to have come playoff time. He doesn't block shots too much, but they've got Ibaka.

You'll seldom have another team's big man come in and have a ten point first quarter and set the tone. That's real important. That's what Perk guarantees. They've still gotta go through the Spurs and probably the Lakers, and oh yeah maybe the Clippers and Grizz, all of whom can kill you with their big men, before they get their rematch with the Heat (in which they should limit Perk's minutes to under 20).

Thing is it's not like we need an amazing center. We just need someone who can, as you said, put up those easy dunks from right under the basket that Perkins is too ****ing slow to make, someone who can average more than SIX REBOUNDS as the starting C on a contending team and someone who won't turn the ball over nearly as much as he does.. and in stupid ways.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Whining with an already stacked team.

:facepalm

Every fan wants his team to get better, this is just nature, especially for a team that gets worse with a stupid trade during offseason.

[KG215]

Whining with an already stacked team.

:facepalm

Every fan wants his team to get better, this is just nature, especially for a team that gets worse with a stupid trade during offseason.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Ding dong, the Perk is gone, the perk is gone.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ding dong, the Perk is gone, the perk is gone.

have any thunder fans found the reason why perkins played on bosh and ibaka on battier in the finals yet?