Who is the MVP right now?

[StateOfMind12]

Top 5

1. Durant
2. Paul
3. Lebron
4. Harden
5. Melo

[Fudge]

Surprised you don't have LeBron higher, or are you done trolling?

Mine probably looks the same, except LeBron ahead of CP3.

[maybeshewill13]

Top 5

1. Durant
2. Paul
3. Lebron
4. Harden
5. Melo

Nice list OP :applause: Lebron ahead of CP3 though.

[TylerOO]

LeBron
Durant
Harden
Melo

[shady6121]

1. Chris Paul
2. Kevin Durant
3. Lebron James
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. James Harden
6. Stephen Curry
7. Tim Duncan
8. Zach Randolph
9. Josh Smith
10. Kobe Bryant

[kaiteng]

Either Chris Paul or LeBron James.....

[StateOfMind12]

LeBron
Durant
Harden
Melo
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/nxkih3.jpg.gif

[TylerOO]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/nxkih3.jpg.gif

You have Melo at 5. I have him at 4. Whats so ****ing funny

[StateOfMind12]

You have Melo at 5. I have him at 4. Whats so ****ing funny
He is clearly #5 and #5 at best, lol at ahead of CP3.

[miggyme1]

1.jr smith
2.melo
3.jason kidd
4.james harden
5.jamal crawford

[TylerOO]

He is clearly #5 and #5 at best, lol at ahead of CP3.

Jamal Crawford is the MVP of the Clippers

[bdreason]

1. Durant
2. Duncan
3. CP3
4. LeBron
5. Melo

[Deuce Bigalow]

James Hardon

[ripthekik]

OP is a diick.
came in here just to say that. bye.

[bdreason]

And Duncan deserves more respect.

18/10/3/1/3 on 51/82% and the 2nd best record in the NBA.

[pauk]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Paul
4. Carmelo
5. Harden/Duncan

[joeyjoejoe]

Cp3, durant, lebron

[RoundMoundOfReb]

clippers minus paul >>> heat minus lebron

[gregboy55]

1. Chris Paul
2. Kevin Durant
3. Lebron James
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. James Harden
6. Stephen Curry
7. Tim Duncan
8. Zach Randolph
9. Josh Smith
10. Kobe Bryant


wait.. so being a leader of a team that'll be 15-21, playing no defence and chucking every chance he gets?? top 10??
:biggums:

[Bigsmoke]

clippers minus paul >>> heat minus lebron

disagree.... big time.

[tazb]

1. LeBron
2. CP3
3. Durant
4. Melo
5. Harden

[LEFT4DEAD]

Durant

Lebron



everybody else

Id like to see Durant winning it, but I think Lebron will get it again.

[pegasus]

1. Durant
2. CP3
3. Melo
4. Lebron
5. Harden/Duncan

[JohnnySic]

Durant

Although I'd love to see Duncan win it.

[nathanjizzle]

chris paul or durant.

[CeltsGarlic]

LeBron
Durant
Melo
Kobe
Harden/CP3/Timmy

[Spaulding]

OP is troll.

Look I can troll too.

Rondo
Wade
Mcgee
Novak
Lin

[ZMonkey11]

OP is troll.

Look I can troll too.

Rondo
Wade
Mcgee
Novak
Lin

He might be trolling, but his troll is a pretty good order. I feel if you take away Durant from the Thunder or Paul from the Clippers, those teams would drop off dramatically. You take LeBron from the Heat and they could be stable, with a small drop off.

I like his order, maybe have Paul ahead of Durant.

[red1]

1. durant
2. lbj
3. cp3
4. melo
5. harden

[red1]

1. Durant
2. CP3
3. Melo
4. Lebron
5. Harden/Duncan
melo over lbj? still a biased dumbass I see :oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

Kobe. every game, Kobe is the MVP of the opposing team.

[NumberSix]

LeBron James
Chris Paul
Kevin Durant


rest

[madmax]

Chris Paul to me

[28renyoy]

Durant
CP3
LeBron

LeBron has no business being over the other 2 seeing as they're on pace for 63 wins and LeBron's team is on pace for 57

[(e)]

I really don't see how you can give Lebron a 4th MVP when the guy has 1 ring. Say what you want, yes it's a regular season award, but there are only a couple guys with more than 3 MVPs, and they all have more than one Championship.

Lebron is definitely one of the greats, but is he really deserving of being in the same category as Bill Russell, Wilt, Kareem, and MJ?

It belongs to Durant this year, especially after you see what Harden is doing by himself, and seeing that OKC hasn't dropped off at all. Take Durant off that squad and they wouldn't be anything special.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe. every game, Kobe is the MVP of the opposing team.

:roll:
This, so true.

[All Net]

It's Durant's time now I reckon...

[Thechosen1]

chris paul will never win an mvp in his career

[Whoah10115]

And Duncan deserves more respect.

18/10/3/1/3 on 51/82% and the 2nd best record in the NBA.



Yes, but also second best player on his team.



People bagging on Kobe are just sad. People who can't see the argument for Melo over Lebron are sad. Many sads.


I don't know...but the top 10 should include two centers (Gasol and Duncan), one PF (Lee), three SF's (Duh), two SG's (duh), two PG's (Parker and Paul)...tho I can still make an argument for Rondo, making it a top 11. That seems pretty fair.

[swag2011]

Kobe. every game, Kobe is the MVP of the opposing team.

corny joke is corny

[BuffaloBill]

Durant

[The Real JW]

clippers minus paul >>> heat minus lebron

No. Wade, Bosh, Allen would destroy CP3-less Clippers team. Griffin and role-players aren't getting shit done. See: 2010-11 season

[pegasus]

melo over lbj? still a biased dumbass I see :oldlol:

Miami wins if their shooters make their shots while Lebron only takes what the defense gives him. That's not MVP, that's MVSP.

[NumberSix]

I really don't see how you can give Lebron a 4th MVP when the guy has 1 ring. Say what you want, yes it's a regular season award, but there are only a couple guys with more than 3 MVPs, and they all have more than one Championship.

Lebron is definitely one of the greats, but is he really deserving of being in the same category as Bill Russell, Wilt, Kareem, and MJ?

It belongs to Durant this year, especially after you see what Harden is doing by himself, and seeing that OKC hasn't dropped off at all. Take Durant off that squad and they wouldn't be anything special.
This might be the dumbest post I have ever read on this forum.

[dyna]

1. CP3
2. Lebron
3. Durant
4. Melo
5. Harden
6. Duncan
7. Kobe

[red1]

Miami wins if their shooters make their shots while Lebron only takes what the defense gives him. That's not MVP, that's MVSP.
That applies for every team in the history of basketball you dumbass. You are penalizing lbj for playing intelligent basketball? "He takes what the defense gives him." :wtf: That is how you win games instead of forcing the issue. You have always been a biased retard.


I'll tell you why lbj is more deserving of mvp, because anyone who has been watching any games would know that he has been far more valuable to his team than melo has been to his. Now do you care to explain why you think melo is more deserving than lbj?

[jlip]

I really don't see how you can give Lebron a 4th MVP when the guy has 1 ring. Say what you want, yes it's a regular season award, but there are only a couple guys with more than 3 MVPs, and they all have more than one Championship.

Lebron is definitely one of the greats, but is he really deserving of being in the same category as Bill Russell, Wilt, Kareem, and MJ?

It belongs to Durant this year, especially after you see what Harden is doing by himself, and seeing that OKC hasn't dropped off at all. Take Durant off that squad and they wouldn't be anything special.

Wilt only has 2 titles and had won his 4th MVP four years before he won that second ring. Kareem won his 5th MVP three years before he won his 2nd ring.

[AirFederer]

1. MWP

Seriously
1.Chris Paul
2.LeBron James
3.Kevin Durant
4. James Harden

[RoundMoundOfReb]

That applies for every team in the history of basketball you dumbass. You are penalizing lbj for playing intelligent basketball? "He takes what the defense gives him." :wtf: That is how you win games instead of forcing the issue. You have always been a biased retard.


I'll tell you why lbj is more deserving of mvp, because anyone who has been watching any games would know that he has been far more valuable to his team than melo has been to his. Now do you care to explain why you think melo is more deserving than lbj?
:applause:

[upside24]

It's a tough year, which is a good thing. So many guys playing at elite levels leading their teams to wins.

Melo, CP3, Durant, LeBron and even Harden could get consideration if the Rockets end up with a high seed just because of the breakout factor.

Like how Rose won it in 10-11.

[Bigsmoke]

pegasus and (e) are on some :biggums:

[red1]

pegasus and (e) are on some :biggums:
Some trifling hoe shit. I have seen these n*ggas act like salty hoes FROM TIME

[lilgodfather1]

It's a tough year, which is a good thing. So many guys playing at elite levels leading their teams to wins.

Melo, CP3, Durant, LeBron and even Harden could get consideration if the Rockets end up with a high seed just because of the breakout factor.

Like how Rose won it in 10-11.
If Harden wins MVP, than that should cancel any talks of Durant ever being considered a top 10 player. He couldn't even win a title with another top 10 player (Westbrook), and a guy who is an NBA MVP.

Seriously though Durant will get it this year. It's just too nice of a story for it not to happen, even though Durant has another top 10 player on his team, and one of the best supporting casts in the NBA (if not the best) outside of that player. OKC would still win 50 games without Durant this year, i'm not even sure Wade could lead Miami to 45 with how he's playing (although improving lately).

[upside24]

If Harden wins MVP, than that should cancel any talks of Durant ever being considered a top 10 player. He couldn't even win a title with another top 10 player (Westbrook), and a guy who is an NBA MVP.

Seriously though Durant will get it this year. It's just too nice of a story for it not to happen, even though Durant has another top 10 player on his team, and one of the best supporting casts in the NBA (if not the best) outside of that player. OKC would still win 50 games without Durant this year, i'm not even sure Wade could lead Miami to 45 with how he's playing (although improving lately).
Durant has a good chance since people are tired of voted for LeBron kind of how they got tired of voting for MJ. He is the second best player in the league and is having his best season expanding his game.

Personally I think if Melo continues scoring at this level and the Knicks have a 1 or 2 seed he has the best chance since he is making the Knicks contenders for the first time in a decade and the New York media.

[lilgodfather1]

Durant has a good chance since people are tired of voted for LeBron kind of how they got tired of voting for MJ. He is the second best player in the league and is having his best season expanding his game.

Personally I think if Melo continues scoring at this level and the Knicks have a 1 or 2 seed he has the best chance since he is making the Knicks contenders for the first time in a decade and the New York media.
Oh Melo's got a good chance. People love scorers, and that's what he does. Add in that NY bias, and you've got a recipe for overrated.

To clarify my above post, I meant if Harden wins MVP Durant should never be talked about as a potential top ten player of all time, not top ten in the league, as he is obviously at worst a top 5 player in the NBA.

[upside24]

Oh Melo's got a good chance. People love scorers, and that's what he does. Add in that NY bias, and you've got a recipe for overrated.

To clarify my above post, I meant if Harden wins MVP Durant should never be talked about as a potential top ten player of all time, not top ten in the league, as he is obviously at worst a top 5 player in the NBA.
I thought that was sarcasm.

I can understand your reasoning but I completely disagree.

Harden was abysmal in the Finals and Westbrook had that amazing 40+ point game, but intentionally fouled at the end I guess thinking they had a foul to give, instead giving two free throws and basically losing the game.

The only guy who was consistently good in the Finals was Durant, so saying that his accomplishments should be diminished since he had WB and Harden has no merit IMO.

[lilgodfather1]

I thought that was sarcasm.

I can understand your reasoning but I completely disagree.

Harden was abysmal in the Finals and Westbrook had that amazing 40+ point game, but intentionally fouled at the end I guess thinking they had a foul to give, instead giving two free throws and basically losing the game.

The only guy who was consistently good in the Finals was Durant, so saying that his accomplishments should be diminished since he had WB and Harden has no merit IMO.
I can't see any realistic scenario where Harden wins the MVP, and Durant can actually have a legitimate claim to top 10 status. He could go all Jordan on us, and win 6 titles, but we can agree that's not likely. Jordan still would have been considered a GOAT if Pippen had won MVP in his absence, but it'd make the argument against him a lot easier.

On the flip side you have Magic, and Kareem who both won MVP's and are both considered top 5 players. They're the only two teammates considered top 10 players though, and both have pretty unrealistic resumes to match.

[pegasus]

That applies for every team in the history of basketball you dumbass. You are penalizing lbj for playing intelligent basketball? "He takes what the defense gives him." :wtf: That is how you win games instead of forcing the issue. You have always been a biased retard.


I'll tell you why lbj is more deserving of mvp, because anyone who has been watching any games would know that he has been far more valuable to his team than melo has been to his. Now do you care to explain why you think melo is more deserving than lbj?
Yes, idiot, that's exactly how Jordan won 6 rings, and Kobe won 5. That's also how Lebron won in 2011, just by taking what the Mavs were giving him.

[I<3NBA]

corny joke is corny
still made you mad tho :banana:

[red1]

Yes, idiot, that's exactly how Jordan won 6 rings, and Kobe won 5. That's also how Lebron won in 2011, just by taking what the Mavs were giving him.
what about 2012?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kPedYNhzKt8/T-SF6lVhNXI/AAAAAAAAADY/mBeBQm3bxv4/s320/lebron_champion.jpg

[nashwade]

a fight between Melo and Chris Paul if their teams retain the top seeds

Lebron if Heat has the best record in the NBA

Kobe if the Lakers enter the playoffs

[fpliii]

Durant, CP3, LeBron (in any order, but this one is fine)

--massive gap--

everyone else

If the Knicks finish with a top 2 seed in the East, Melo could get some votes too. I don't see it with Harden, and Kobe's team is too far out of it to get much support.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Its going to be a 3 way race between LeBron, CP3, and KD. Melo has absolutely no shot of winning MVP.

[fpliii]

Its going to be a 3 way race between LeBron, CP3, and KD. Melo has absolutely no shot of winning MVP.

:cheers:

I'm not a Melo hater, but he's had several seasons better than this one. His playstyle just isn't conducive to winning basketball...this isn't to say that he's not an excellent player (he's probably one of the 10 best in the league), but the MVP (though it's an overrated honor) is intended to reward an individual's positive impact on his team's success.

[SilkkTheShocker]

:cheers:

I'm not a Melo hater, but he's had several seasons better than this one. His playstyle just isn't conducive to winning basketball...this isn't to say that he's not an excellent player (he's probably one of the 10 best in the league), but the MVP (though it's an overrated honor) is intended to reward an individual's positive impact on his team's success.

:cheers:

[Blue&Orange]

You can't be MVP without belonging to the 40-6-6 club AKA the big boy pants club.

[RRR3]

You can't be MVP without belonging to the 40-6-6 club AKA the big boy pants club.
LeBron has done 40-6-6 TWENTY NINE times in the regular season and EIGHT times in the playoffs.

Kobe has done it SIXTEEN times in the regular season and twice in the playoffs.

Wade has done it TWELVE times in the regular season and once in the playoffs.



Melo has done it twice in the regular season and once in the playoffs :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

You can't be MVP without belonging to the 40-6-6 club AKA the big boy pants club.


Yea, Melo still isn't going to sniff an MVP award unless its in China.

[Blue&Orange]

LeBron has done 40-6-6 TWENTY NINE times in the regular season and EIGHT times in the playoffs.

Kobe has done it SIXTEEN times in the regular season and twice in the playoffs.

Wade has done it TWELVE times in the regular season and once in the playoffs.



Melo has done it twice in the regular season and once in the playoffs :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dam they did all that this season? Are we already in the playoffs? Did i went into coma or are you just dumb?

[kNicKz]

CP3 stock is climbing, it's a shame that Melo's is dropping

[tazb]

Dam they did all that this season? Are we already in the playoffs? Did i went into coma or are you just dumb?

No I think you're just dumb.:facepalm

[RRR3]

Dam they did all that this season? Are we already in the playoffs? Did i went into coma or are you just dumb?
:lol

[ihoopallday]

Dam they did all that this season? Are we already in the playoffs? Did i went into coma or are you just dumb?

:roll: :roll: If you're going to call someone dumb, at least write a proper sentence.

[Ikill]

Durant is clearly MVP right now IMO
Melo Lebron Paul are all tied for 2nd

[Ikill]

:cheers:

I'm not a Melo hater, but he's had several seasons better than this one. His playstyle just isn't conducive to winning basketball...this isn't to say that he's not an excellent player (he's probably one of the 10 best in the league), but the MVP (though it's an overrated honor) is intended to reward an individual's positive impact on his team's success.
your a ****ing moron

[fpliii]

your a ****ing moron

A 'moron'? Really? I don't think you wanna go that route.

How about you put the ad hominems aside, and deconstruct my claims with evidence/arguments of your own? Are you capable of that?

[STATUTORY]

:cheers:

I'm not a Melo hater, but he's had several seasons better than this one. His playstyle just isn't conducive to winning basketball...this isn't to say that he's not an excellent player (he's probably one of the 10 best in the league), but the MVP (though it's an overrated honor) is intended to reward an individual's positive impact on his team's success.
:facepalm

your comments are self contradictory. How can you be top 10 in the league if your game isn't conducive to winning basketball.

what you really mean is that you don't like the way Melo plays because it doesn't fit neatly into what you perceive as winning basketball. take off the blinds hater


your a ****ing moron

guy is blind to his own prejudices

[Ikill]

A 'moron'? Really? I don't think you wanna go that route.

How about you put the ad hominems aside, and deconstruct my claims with evidence/arguments of your own? Are you capable of that?
you claimed melo has had several seasons better thats more than enough to prove you have no idea what your talking about

[Young X]

CP3 or Durant

[fpliii]

you claimed melo has had several seasons better thats more than enough to prove you have no idea what your talking about

As I said:


How about you put the ad hominems aside, and deconstruct my claims with evidence/arguments of your own? Are you capable of that?

[Ikill]

As I said:
There is no point in arguing with someone that has no idea what their talking about and is making their claims based on nothing.

[Whoah10115]

:cheers:

I'm not a Melo hater, but he's had several seasons better than this one. His playstyle just isn't conducive to winning basketball...this isn't to say that he's not an excellent player (he's probably one of the 10 best in the league), but the MVP (though it's an overrated honor) is intended to reward an individual's positive impact on his team's success.


He hasn't had a single season as good as this one. Even his scoring is a career high right now.

[tmacattack33]

Chris Paul has stepped it up and is now in there right with Lebron and Durant.

I'd go with:

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Paul

[BuffaloBill]

1. Durant
2. Paul
3. James

[RRR3]

That applies for every team in the history of basketball you dumbass. You are penalizing lbj for playing intelligent basketball? "He takes what the defense gives him." :wtf: That is how you win games instead of forcing the issue. You have always been a biased retard.


I'll tell you why lbj is more deserving of mvp, because anyone who has been watching any games would know that he has been far more valuable to his team than melo has been to his. Now do you care to explain why you think melo is more deserving than lbj?
Peg also is ignoring the fact that the Knicks hot start coincided with their shooters bombing away from 3PT land. As their shooters have cooled off, so has the team. Bet he ignores this post, though.

[fpliii]

There is no point in arguing with someone that has no idea what their talking about and is making their claims based on nothing.


He hasn't had a single season as good as this one. Even his scoring is a career high right now.

I'll tell you what...we'll have this discussion after the All-Star break if you guys want. I don't have a problem with you guys putting Melo wherever you want, and I respect his game, but he's not in my top 3. More power to him if he pulls it off in the end.

I don't want to come off like a troll/hater, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Ikill]

Peg also is ignoring the fact that the Knicks hot start coincided with their shooters bombing away from 3PT land. As their shooters have cooled off, so has the team. Bet he ignores this post, though.
The Knicks are still the second best offensive team in the NBA the team has cooled off because the defense has fallen off. They were top 5 last and were looking even better at the start of the year now there 20th in the NBA. Melo is carrying the Knicks

[RRR3]

The Knicks are still the second best offensive team in the NBA the team has cooled off because the defense has fallen off. They were top 5 last and were looking even better at the start of the year now there 20th in the NBA. Melo is carrying the Knicks
Never said he wasn't, just pointing out the idiocy of saying the Heat's shooters are carrying the Heat as opposed to LeBron as well as the hypocrisy of listing Melo over him and ignoring this reasoning in that case.

[Whoah10115]

I'll tell you what...we'll have this discussion after the All-Star break if you guys want. I don't have a problem with you guys putting Melo wherever you want, and I respect his game, but he's not in my top 3. More power to him if he pulls it off in the end.

I don't want to come off like a troll/hater, we'll just have to agree to disagree.



I'm not arguing you not having him in the top 3 (tho I have him there) but I don't think you can say this isn't the best Melo has ever played. It's still early, but if this the season he ends up with it's easily #1 all-time in his career, thus far.



As far as his value, I can respect most choices this season. I do have a problem with the way people argue Lebron. His stats are pretty much what they always are, but the way he's dominating the ball this season is part of the problem I've always found with his game. Nothing like how he played last year or early on this season. And his defense, while much better the last few weeks, has not been special this year. It's been good and maybe very good, but I don't think he's even been great.

[BuffaloBill]

This weeks Kia MVP ladder

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html


1 Chris Paul
2 Kevin Durant
3 LeBron James
4 Carmelo Anthony
5 Zach Randolph
6 James Harden
7 Kobe Bryant
8 Stephen Curry
9 Tim Duncan
10 Josh Smith

[Nash]

Paul deserves it.

[heyhey]

Paul deserves it.

I don't see everyone's just giving paul all this credit when the FO has put together an absolutely STACKED squad. guys like Bledsoe and Jamal Crawford are the unsung heroes of that team

[jimmy77x]

If chris paul wins it he will have the most mediocre stats for an mvp in the history of the award :lol

[Graviton]

Durant deserves it, monster stats, efficiency and the best record in NBA by the end of the season. Paul can get it if he stays aggressive and takes over like in the past few games, instead of being passive and relying on his role players to carry him.

[kmartshopper]

If chris paul wins it he will have the most mediocre stats for an mvp in the history of the award :lol

false.

[kmartshopper]

Durant deserves it, monster stats, efficiency and the best record in NBA by the end of the season. Paul can get it if he stays aggressive and takes over like in the past few games, instead of being passive and relying on his role players to carry him.

lol role players carrying him, nice job sneaking that in there, but it's not at all the case.

[jimmy77x]

false.

You're right steve nash had an even lower ppg average when he won his first. So i guess it is possible for him to win it with his mediocre stats and hype :lol

[Graviton]

lol role players carrying him, nice job sneaking that in there, but it's not at all the case.
Crawford, Bledsoe, Barnes, Odom are role players, elite role players but still role players nonetheless. Clippers are winning due to their amazing bench advantage a lot of times, even when their starters are playing with no energy.

[kmartshopper]

You're right steve nash had an even lower ppg average when he won his first. So i guess it is possible for him to win it with his mediocre stats and hype :lol
oh youre talking about counting stats. Yawn.

[kmartshopper]

Crawford, Bledsoe, Barnes, Odom are role players, elite role players but still role players nonetheless. Clippers are winning due to their amazing bench advantage a lot of times, even when their starters are playing with no energy.

I agree. All the candidates have quality teammates. As for the thread topic, I have a three way dead heat at the moment.

[jimmy77x]

oh youre talking about counting stats. Yawn.

yupp, you tired? :lol

[Graviton]

I agree. All the candidates have quality teammates. As for the thread topic, I have a three way dead heat at the moment.
OKC doesn't really have much quality outside Westbrook. Their role players just get WIDE open shots because of Durant's shooting and WB's penetration.

Clippers are better from 3-12.

Crawford>Martin, he can actually score off the dribble AND hit 3s.
Bledsoe>garbage Maynor and Jackson
Griffin>Ibaka
Jordan>>>>>Scrubkins
Barnes>Thabo, same defense, better offense
Odom, Turiaf>>>any bench OKC big
Butler>any OKC backup SF
Hill/Billups>any OKC "veteran leadership" and experience.

Shit I sound like CF86 lol.

[shady6121]

The only player that has a legitimate case over Lebron this season is Chris Paul, imo Chris paul is going to end up winning it.

[Graviton]

The only player that has a legitimate case over Lebron this season is Chris Paul, imo Chris paul is going to end up winning it.
Lebron doesn't have a case right now, Heat have lost 3 of their last 4 with LBJ looking passive and lazy. He is not playing with full effort every day like Durant, I hear his knee is an issue.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Crawford, Bledsoe, Barnes, Odom are role players, elite role players but still role players nonetheless. Clippers are winning due to their amazing bench advantage a lot of times, even when their starters are playing with no energy.

You're overrating that supporting cast. Of course when you have an elite PG making plays for his team and running the offense everybody is going to look better..

Barnes was trash last year, Odom was trash last year, Crawford was trash last year 14 ppg on 38%.

now they are all having good years b/c of the PG they play with.

Barnes & Crawford get so many open looks its crazy.

[TheMarkMadsen]

OKC doesn't really have much quality outside Westbrook. Their role players just get WIDE open shots because of Durant's shooting and WB's penetration.

Clippers are better from 3-12.

Crawford>Martin, he can actually score off the dribble AND hit 3s.
Bledsoe>garbage Maynor and Jackson
Griffin>Ibaka
Jordan>>>>>Scrubkins
Barnes>Thabo, same defense, better offense
Odom, Turiaf>>>any bench OKC big
Butler>any OKC backup SF
Hill/Billups>any OKC "veteran leadership" and experience.

Shit I sound like CF86 lol.

:wtf:

Ibaka is a 10x better fit for OKC than BG, Ibaka's offense has improved heavily and he is extremely valuable to OKC's success.

If you switched BG & Ibaka and put them on opposite teams i think OKC suffers. They already have enough offense and taking away Ibaka's weakside D and shot blocking presence would severely hurt them.

You're underating OKC to prop up Durant.

[KG215]

OKC doesn't really have much quality outside Westbrook. Their role players just get WIDE open shots because of Durant's shooting and WB's penetration.

Clippers are better from 3-12.

Crawford>Martin, he can actually score off the dribble AND hit 3s.
Bledsoe>garbage Maynor and Jackson
Griffin>Ibaka
Jordan>>>>>Scrubkins
Barnes>Thabo, same defense, better offense
Odom, Turiaf>>>any bench OKC big
Butler>any OKC backup SF
Hill/Billups>any OKC "veteran leadership" and experience.

Um...same defense for Barnes and Thabo? Not really and Thabo is shooting 41% from three on 3.1 attempts per game. Barnes is a good defender, but Thabo is an elite perimeter defender and on a different level than Barnes in that regard. And I'd take Nick Collison over Turiaf every day of the week and, as it stands right now, over Odom; although Odom is getting back into shape and playing better so it's turning into a wash, and Odom looks like he's on his way to surpassing Collison in terms of impact.

[Graviton]

You're overrating that supporting cast. Of course when you have an elite PG making plays for his team and running the offense everybody is going to look better..

Barnes was trash last year, Odom was trash last year, Crawford was trash last year 14 ppg on 38%.

now they are all having good years b/c of the PG they play with.

Barnes & Crawford get so many open looks its crazy.
They are in a fast paced offense now instead of shitty Hawks/Lakers offense, they get the same open shots and fastbreaks when Paul is on the bench. Their defense and ball movement gets them open shots, not just CP3 magically creating those opportunities. Griffin getting doubled in the post is also a big factor.

[Graviton]

Um...same defense for Barnes and Thabo? Not really and Thabo is 41% from three on 3.1 attempts per game. And I'd take also take Nick Collison over Turiaf ever day of the week and, as it stands right now, over Odom; although Odom is getting back into shape and playing better so it's turning into a wash right now, and Odom looks like he's on his way to surpassing Collison in terms of impact.
Barnes has played just as good defense this year, he is bigger too, he is scoring from more than wide open 3s as well. How many games Thabo had 20+ points this season. Thabo's D is overrated, good in stretches but not as consistent. He doesn't change the game with his D like say Bradley.

Collison is good when he actually gets some ****in minutes over Scrubkins, but Brooks isn't using him as often.

[Cangri]

Durant should be on top right now, followed by Lebron.

[red1]

1.durant
2.cp3
3.lbj

[Fudge]

1. Durant
2. CP3
3. LeBron

[KG215]

Barnes has played just as good defense this year, he is bigger too, he is scoring from more than wide open 3s as well. How many games Thabo had 20+ points this season. Thabo's D is overrated, good in stretches but not as consistent. He doesn't change the game with his D like say Bradley.

Collison is good when he actually gets some ****in minutes over Scrubkins, but Brooks isn't using him as often.
We'll just have to agree to disagree about Thabo's defense. He's got burned a few games this year, but he's also changed a few games with his defense; most notably the Clippers game and second Spurs game. Probably the first Rockets game, too. Barnes is the better offensive player, I'm not disputing that, but I think Thabo's defense is on a different level (not that Barnes is a bad defender) and he is also an efficient 3P shooter. He's turned into a near perfect compliment to Durant and Westbrook: someone who can take on the challenge of defending the other team's best perimeter player while also reliably knocking down open threes.

[Magic bird]

Chirs Paul, Durant, Lebron

[Graviton]

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Thabo's defense. He's got burned a few games this year, but he's also changed a few games with his defense; most notably the Clippers game and second Spurs game. Probably the first Rockets game, too. Barnes is the better offensive player, I'm not disputing that, but I think Thabo's defense is on a different level (not that Barnes is a bad defender) and he is also an efficient 3P shooter. He's turned into a near perfect compliment to Durant and Westbrook: someone who can take on the challenge of defending the other team's best perimeter player while also reliably knocking down open threes.
To me he is in the same boat as Deng, gets that elite defender rep by guarding smaller players. Iggy, Allen, Bradley, Shumpert are better than him. Thabo got owned by Kobe last year, Durant was on him in 4th quarters. Westbrook was on Parker in the 4th, and on CP3 in 4th/OT. Thabo isn't as amazing as you think, lets see if he steps up in the playoffs.