There is only one thing that can turn this Laker team around

[Deuce Bigalow]

Trade Gasol, Jamison, and Meeks for a package of good perimeter defenders. These defenders can be scrubs on offense, but if they can play defense take them. Even include some other scrub defender that is on the bench to add to the trade if needed. Gasol is done, he can't score in the post, can't make open shots, can't defend. Jamison has been a complete disappointment, he has no impact on the game when he bricks all of his open shots because when he aint making them he can't defend anybody. Meeks is like Jamison, can't defend and can't make his open shots. The Lakers problem is their team defense, and the problem starts from the perimeter. Now if some trade to improve their defense doesn't happen, this team will not make the Playoffs. What has this team shown us in 35 games? That they can't guard anybody. You are not making the Playoffs when teams are getting either an open shot, or a easy drive to the paint. Now if this losing streak continues, they may fire D'Antoni. But that will not change anything. That will not stop the PLAYERS from PLAYING horrible defense. You need to get better defensive players. Sadly, I don't expect the Lakers management to have any kind of trade so all hope is lost. I hope I am wrong, but if this doesn't happen, the Lakers will not make the Playoffs.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kobe has never won without Phil so unless he is part of tis deal it's not going to change anything.

[Doranku]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_arron_afflalo.jpg

[SilkkTheShocker]

At this point the Lakers might as well sign Tebow

[icewill36]

there is no reason they cant be a good defensive team with the players they have. i bet if tom thibadeaux was coaching them, they would be a top defensive team.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe has never won without Phil so unless he is part of tis deal it's not going to change anything.


So with that logic the lakers should just cut Kobe as they have no chance of winning with him unless Philip is coaching :facepalm

[BlackWhiteGreen]

So if these players are sucky 3 point shooters (eg Tony Allen), what happens when Dwight and Kobe are getting double teamed every possession and no one can make a shot?

[longtime lurker]

there is no reason they cant be a good defensive team with the players they have. i bet if tom thibadeaux was coaching them, they would be a top defensive team.

This times 1000! Honestly if they just benched Gasol and brought Earl Clark off the bench it would make a big difference

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe has never won without Phil so unless he is part of tis deal it's not going to change anything.

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.

[Heavincent]

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.

Please. Kobe's work ethic and dedication is on a different level than T-Mac.

[LeFraud James]

At this point the Lakers might as well sign Tebow

At this point you might as well retire from ISH.

[Xiao Yao You]

So with that logic the lakers should just cut Kobe as they have no chance of winning with him unless Philip is coaching :facepalm

Who said cut him? Acquiring Howard, Nash and Jamison and firing Brown thinking Kobe was going to win again wasn't realistic though.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Please. Kobe's work ethic and dedication is on a different level than T-Mac.

That's true. Those guys' peaks are just as impressive, though. '01-04 Tmac w/ Gasol and Phil? Mid-to-late 80's Nique w/ Shaq? At least 3-4 rings each.

That's not a knock on Kobe. Most volume (perimeter) scorers need bigmen to steer the ship.

[Artillery]

So with that logic the lakers should just cut Kobe as they have no chance of winning with him unless Philip is coaching :facepalm

No but they should try to hire Phil or a similar coach that uses the triangle. It's blatantly obvious that Kobe's a system player at this point. Take him out of the triangle and he becomes a one-dimensional volume scorer putting up empty stats on lottery teams.

[longtime lurker]

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.

You act like T-mac never played with Yao Ming or even got past the 1st round. Give me a break. Lol @ comparing Gasol to Shaq, the myth of Kobe's superhuman teammates continue.

[LeFraud James]

That's true. Those guys' peaks are just as impressive, though. '01-04 Tmac w/ Gasol and Phil? Mid-to-late 80's Nique w/ Shaq? At least 3-4 rings each.

Longevity.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You act like T-mac never played with Yao Ming or even got past the 1st round. Give me a break. Lol @ comparing Gasol to Shaq, the myth of Kobe's superhuman teammates continue.

I'm not comparing Shaq to Gasol. I'm talking about ELITE bigmen in general.

About TMac: Guy was already having back problems by the time he and Yao (who was also injury prone) teamed up.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

[Xiao Yao You]

You act like T-mac never played with Yao Ming or even got past the 1st round. Give me a break. Lol @ comparing Gasol to Shaq, the myth of Kobe's superhuman teammates continue.

They were a 7th seed and first round exit before Pau and after he ran off Shaq.

[b0bab0i]

Kobe is so overrated on defense, once he shoots and misses he complains to the ref and never goes back on defense to cover his man. That's how teams get so many easy buckets.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.

Same can be said for any player.

Shaq never won without a top coach or superstar SG
Jordan would be a bald headed Dominique Wilkins without Phil or Pippen
Gasol never even won a playoff game before Kobe

We can play the what-if game with anyone but it's irrelevant. Saying "X player wouldn't have done this if Y player..." doesn't make any of the aforementioned guys any less great.

[Artillery]

They were a 7th seed and first round exit before Pau and after he ran off Shaq.

Exactly. They were also a lottery team in '04 without Phil Jackson or any notable big.

[Artillery]

Lol @ comparing Gasol to Shaq, the myth of Kobe's superhuman teammates continue.

When Gasol is playing at an all-star/All-NBA level the Lakers were champions/contender. Now that Gasol is injured and having the worst season of his career the Lakers are a lottery team. Kobe is putting up his most efficient numbers to date so it's clear the Lakers success has little to do with him. LA has always gone as far as their big men can take them. The myth of Kobe's superhuman abilities continue...

[swag2011]

I personally think the system is exploiting any weakness this roster has. Chucking up 3 pointers and the team has no reliable 3 point shooters except Nash and he really isn't gunna shoot that much. If the Lakers miss a 3, that leads to long rebounds for the other team and we all know the lakers suck mainly in transition defense so it's like an automatic layup for the other team.

Watching Laker games it's seems like the other team is either having a layup drill or 3 pointer drill against them. Everything is just so wide open lol. And I know they wont' fire D'Antoni, so that's why i agree with OP, we needs some defensive players. An athletic 3 is what the Lakers really need the most.

Just for example, a front court of Rudy Gay/Jordan Hill/Dwight Howard is fast, young, defensive minded and athletic. Not saying i would want Rudy Gay but just giving an example. That athletic front court can balance out the slowness of Kobe and Nash

[IGOTGAME]

there is no reason they cant be a good defensive team with the players they have. i bet if tom thibadeaux was coaching them, they would be a top defensive team.
They have old slow undisciplined defenders on the perimeter. They aren't gonna get any younger.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Same can be said for any player.

Shaq never won without a top coach or superstar SG
Jordan would be a bald headed Dominique Wilkins without Phil or Pippen
Gasol never even won a playoff game before Kobe

We can play the what-if game with anyone but it's irrelevant. Saying "X player wouldn't have done this if Y player..." doesn't make any of the aforementioned guys any less great.

Except, Shaq was able to carry his teams DEEP into the postseason WITHOUT "superstar guards". Kobe without Phil or quality bigmen barely sniff the playoffs. Scratch that, DONT make the playoffs.


When Gasol is playing at an all-star/All-NBA level the Lakers were champions/contender. Now that Gasol is injured and having the worst season of his career the Lakers are a lottery team. Kobe is putting up his most efficient numbers to date so it's clear the Lakers success has little to do with him. LA has always gone as far as their big men can take them. The myth of Kobe's superhuman abilities continue...

Pretty much.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Having good defenders doesn't mean shit if the coach doesn't care about defense himself. It's not just about having the personnel. It's about philosophy and togetherness on the defensive end. D'Antoni wouldn't care that his team was giving up 100+ points per game if they were just outscoring everyone. That's his problem. The offense isn't tailor made to counteract his lack of focus on defense so as a result, the Lakers are getting their asses kicked. Even if a team is ranked in the bottom half of the league on offense, if you don't guard them it doesn't f*cking matter. These guys are pros, they'll make you pay.

[Heavincent]

Except, Shaq was able to carry his teams DEEP into the postseason WITHOUT "superstar guards".


When? He had Penny in Orlando, Kobe in L.A, and Wade in Miami.

And lol at Kobe having "little to do with the Lakers success". Anybody who says that instantly loses any credibility.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When? He had Penny in Orlando, Kobe in L.A, and Wade in Miami.

Who was a "superstar sg" when Shaq played in '97 and '98? What about in '99? :confusedshrug:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Except, Shaq was able to carry his teams DEEP into the postseason WITHOUT "superstar guards". Kobe without Phil or quality bigmen barely sniff the playoffs. Scratch that, DONT make the playoffs.


When has Shaq ever made it deep into the playoffs without good teams? Penny wasn't a superstar on the level of Kobe or Wade but he was great. Same with Nick Anderson. Shaq has said himself that's never really played on bad teams. He's always had quality around him from his Diesel days all the way to the day he retired. We saw ONE season of prime Kobe without Shaq and Phil and it was an injury riddled one with an absolutely awful cast. Show me any team that Shaq has played on that's close to the stuff Kobe had in L.A. from '05-'07.

[LeFraud James]

When? He had Penny in Orlando, Kobe in L.A, and Wade in Miami.

And lol at Kobe having "little to do with the Lakers success". Anybody who says that instantly loses any credibility.

You're arguing with a lost cause.

Just let him and his ignorance be.

[Xiao Yao You]

Except, Shaq was able to carry his teams DEEP into the postseason WITHOUT "superstar guards". Kobe without Phil or quality bigmen barely sniff the playoffs. Scratch that, DONT make the playoffs.



Pretty much.

Who did Shaq carry deep in to the playoffs without Penny, Kobe, Wade or Lebron? :confusedshrug:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Who was a "superstar sg" when Shaq played in '97 and '98? What about in '99? :confusedshrug:

I was talking about him winning titles. He's never won titles without elite SGs.

And he didn't have superstar Kobe in the late 90s but those teams were still very talented at both guard positions. My point is that lots of people talk shit about Kobe not doing anything without quality teammates but that holds true for almost EVERY OTHER top 10 player. It's basketball fact, no one wins or has playoff success without good teammates.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

When? He had Penny in Orlando, Kobe in L.A, and Wade in Miami.

And lol at Kobe having "little to do with the Lakers success". Anybody who says that instantly loses any credibility.
It's not that Kobe had little to do with his success but in the triangle era he would be replaceable. A lot of 6'6 shooting guards could shoot in the low 40% range and have their big men crash the boards. This year just proves it's not as easy without PJAX and 2 7 footers playing well.

[LoneyROY7]

I was talking about him winning titles. He's never won titles without elite SGs.

And he didn't have superstar Kobe in the late 90s but those teams were still very talented at both guard positions. My point is that lots of people talk shit about Kobe not doing anything without quality teammates but that holds true for almost EVERY OTHER top 10 player. It's basketball fact, no one wins or has playoff success without good teammates.

Hakeem Da Dream was a one man wrecking crew.

[Xiao Yao You]

I was talking about him winning titles. He's never won titles without elite SGs.

And he didn't have superstar Kobe in the late 90s but those teams were still very talented at both guard positions. My point is that lots of people talk shit about Kobe not doing anything without quality teammates but that holds true for almost EVERY OTHER top 10 player. It's basketball fact, no one wins or has playoff success without good teammates.

But Kobe thought he could when he pushed Phil and Shaq out of town!

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I swear people are so extreme on the internet. Kobe is the one guy in NBA history who gets penalized for having good teammates. Now people are saying he's not integral to the Lakers' successes? If you told any person who has ever played basketball in the NBA that nonsense you would get laughed at. But for some reason on here it's a reasonable sentiment? :biggums:

[STATUTORY]

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.

do you blush when you parrot bullshit like that?

even disregarding the rings Kobe's career shit on guys like tmac, wilkins, dantley

wtf is wrong with you?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I swear people are so extreme on the internet. Kobe is the one guy in NBA history who gets penalized for having good teammates. Now people are saying he's not integral to the Lakers' successes? If you told any person who has ever played basketball in the NBA that nonsense you would get laughed at. But for some reason on here it's a reasonable sentiment? :biggums:
Well Kobe is integral to the Lakers failure right now. :oldlol:

[swag2011]

Who was a "superstar sg" when Shaq played in '97 and '98? What about in '99? :confusedshrug:

Why couldn't he win until Kobe became a starter? :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Who was a "superstar sg" when Shaq played in '97 and '98? What about in '99? :confusedshrug:

Second round exit in 98-99. I'll give you 97-98. Kobe was a superstar by the 99-00 season.

But it's pretty safe to say that Kobe's 05-07 squads were worse than the late 90's Lakers. If Kobe played in the East he could have easily made it the conference finals in the mid 2000's. The East was a joke back then. He could have played the freaking Wizards in the first round rather than those loaded Suns squads.

It's just cherry picking anyway. We're really gonna sit here and nitpick 2 years in his career (two seasons in which he was the best player in the league, I might add)? Yeah, Pau Gasol was a great big man in the years they made the finals, but it's not like he was some transcendent superstar or something. Kobe was clearly the best player on the team by a pretty wide margin.

[swag2011]

Second round exit in 98-99. I'll give you 97-98. Kobe was a superstar by the 99-00 season.

But it's pretty safe to say that Kobe's 05-07 squads were worse than the late 90's Lakers. If Kobe played in the East he could have easily made it the conference finals in the mid 2000's. The East was a joke back then. He could have played the freaking Wizards in the first round rather than those loaded Suns squads.

It's just cherry picking anyway. We're really gonna sit here and nitpick 2 years in his career (two seasons in which he was the best player in the league, I might add)? Yeah, Pau Gasol was a great big man the years they made the finals, but it's not like he was some transcendent superstar or something. Kobe was clearly the best player on the team by a pretty wide margin.

Now watch someone post PER to say you are wrong about that statement :lol

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Well Kobe is integral to the Lakers failure right now. :oldlol:

:oldlol: On the defensive end, he's one part, yes. I wouldn't call him the main reason though. He was playing worse defense and being less efficient on offense two years ago and the Lakers were winning. But when two of your main guys aren't themselves (Dwight being injured, Pau playing like shit) on a team that's pretty much built around 4 guys, it's harder to win especially when your coach is Mike D'Antoni. Honestly I think he's the biggest reason for their shortcomings right now. I don't really blame any of the players (at least the starters) too much.

[Artillery]

I was talking about him winning titles. He's never won titles without elite SGs.

And he didn't have superstar Kobe in the late 90s but those teams were still very talented at both guard positions. My point is that lots of people talk shit about Kobe not doing anything without quality teammates but that holds true for almost EVERY OTHER top 10 player. It's basketball fact, no one wins or has playoff success without good teammates.

Hakeem/Duncan/Dirk have all won championships without an all-star/All-NBA teammate

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Save for MJ, big men just bring more to the table guys. Always have and always will.


Why couldn't he win until Kobe became a starter? :confusedshrug:

Who did PJax want to trade for Jason Kidd? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't Shaq. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

That's true. Those guys' peaks are just as impressive, though. '01-04 Tmac w/ Gasol and Phil? Mid-to-late 80's Nique w/ Shaq? At least 3-4 rings each.

That's not a knock on Kobe. Most volume (perimeter) scorers need bigmen to steer the ship.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[STATUTORY]

Save for MJ, big men just bring more to the table guys. Always have and always will.



Who did PJax want to trade for Jason Kidd? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't Shaq. :oldlol:

what team did PJax come crawling back to? hint it wasn't shaq's team either

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

what team did PJax come crawling back to? hint it wasn't shaq's team either

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[RRR3]

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.


Typical day on ISH lol





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[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Hakeem/Duncan/Dirk have all won championships without an all-star/All-NBA teammate

True, on paper they weren't All-Stars but they all had very serviceable role players, guys who all filled a niche and filled it well. In Duncan's case especially, the Spurs have never been built on star power like the Lakers or Celtics. They always have very solid role players/fringe all star level guys who fit into Pop's system well and mesh with Duncan. It's how they've continued to be competitive even though Duncan isn't the player he once was.

[ihoopallday]

Kobe is a great individual player. Top 5 in my opinion. But lets be honest, he's just not a great leader. Like I've said before, he needs a great coach (Phil) and big man. Now lets look at LeBron. Dude carried scrubs to the finals. What has Kobe ever done with scrubs?

[ihoopallday]

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.


Typical day on ISH lol





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It was nice knowing you. :cheers:

[RRR3]

It was nice knowing you. :cheers:
It was worth it, wasn't it? :pimp:

[ihoopallday]

It was worth it, wasn't it? :pimp:

Very :banana: . "And not a single **** was given that day."

[RRR3]

Very :banana: . "And not a single **** was given that day."
Her name is Amber Fox btw. Besides, Jeff lets guys post pics of topless men, why not women? :confusedshrug:


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7096/6877137138_d1a2cf4f00_z.jpg


:rockon:




Bro, in fantasy, who do you want for Paul George? :D

[Deuce Bigalow]

Or bigmen for that matter. IMHO, Kobe would be just another TMac (similar to the Wilkins/Dantley's) without guys like Gasol and Shaq. Still a great player, just not as revered and overrated.
Didn't know you we're a full blown retard kuniva. I'm not going to argue with morons anymore, it's pointless.

[Artillery]

what team did PJax come crawling back to? hint it wasn't shaq's team either

Yeah, being the highest paid coach in NBA history = crawling back. More like the Lakers/Bryant begging Phil to take over after a stint in the lottery

[tpols]

Kun isn't a kobe hater. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Kobe is a great individual player. Top 5 in my opinion. But lets be honest, he's just not a great leader. Like I've said before, he needs a great coach (Phil) and big man. Now lets look at LeBron. Dude carried scrubs to the finals. What has Kobe ever done with scrubs?
If kobe was in the east and got to play the wizards and over the hill nets instead of the top seeded sun's he could've easily been in the finals a year or two.

True lebron fans know lebron's defense didn't come around til 08/09 ish..Mike Brown was like Tom thibs back then with his promoting of defensive chemistry and philosophy.

[longtime lurker]

I'm not comparing Shaq to Gasol. I'm talking about ELITE bigmen in general.

About TMac: Guy was already having back problems by the time he and Yao (who was also injury prone) teamed up.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

Before coming to the Lakers Gasol was not considered an elite big man. T-mac's problem was and always will be his laziness. He lacked the work ethic to truly be elite year in and year out. Teaming up with Shaq or Gasol(LOL) would do nothing to change that.

[ihoopallday]

If kobe was in the east and got to play the wizards and over the hill nets instead of the top seeded sun's he could've easily been in the finals a year or two.

True lebron fans know lebron's defense didn't come around til 08/09 ish..Mike Brown was like Tom thibs back then with his promoting of defensive chemistry and philosophy.

:cheers: I can agree with that.

[STATUTORY]

If kobe was in the east and got to play the wizards and over the hill nets instead of the top seeded sun's he could've easily been in the finals a year or two.

True lebron fans know lebron's defense didn't come around til 08/09 ish..Mike Brown was like Tom thibs back then with his promoting of defensive chemistry and philosophy.

exactly making the playoffs and finals from the east and west are not comparable. Lebron did not have more playoff success with the Cavs than Kobe did with smush/kwame lakers

[longtime lurker]

They were a 7th seed and first round exit before Pau and after he ran off Shaq.

Dumbass posts like this is why I can't take insidehoops seriously. Do you care to post the roster that Kobe was playing with in those 2 years? People just repeat the same bullshit over and over again like it actually means something.

[longtime lurker]

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.


Typical day on ISH lol





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Future repped.

[tpols]

Before coming to the Lakers Gasol was not considered an elite big man. T-mac's problem was and always will be his laziness. He lacked the work ethic to truly be elite year in and year out. Teaming up with Shaq or Gasol(LOL) would do nothing to change that.
Guys an idiot as well as artillery an obvious spurs fan and kobe troll. That's what happens when one man rapes your team over the course of a decade. According to Kun though kobes 33/7/6 series against the spurs 'don't count' because he played with Shaq just to give you an idea of how stupid he is. :oldlol:

That series in the WCF against the sun's was kobes last great series in the playoffs. The reason La fell off is because Kobe declined big time in 2011 compared to 2010, and bynum started to take over pays role on offense leaving him disinterested. People forget bynum averaged 19/12 after the all star break on great shooting. But he didn't have the passing Gasol had so the role players became less involved. The whole team started to sink after that.

[RRR3]

Future repped.
:cheers: Thought Amber Fox was more interesting than the usual Kobe arguments :banana:

[AlphaWolf24]

Her name is Amber Fox btw. Besides, Jeff lets guys post pics of topless men, why not women? :confusedshrug:


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7096/6877137138_d1a2cf4f00_z.jpg


:rockon:




Bro, in fantasy, who do you want for Paul George? :D


elbows too pointy 2/10




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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Didn't know you we're a full blown retard kuniva. I'm not going to argue with morons anymore, it's pointless.

Always consider the source.


Alex Jones is not crazy. He will sound crazy to most people because they do not know the truth.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[RRR3]

http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/meh.ro5524.jpg
LOL @ you acting like you didn't like that pic

[longtime lurker]

When Gasol is playing at an all-star/All-NBA level the Lakers were champions/contender. Now that Gasol is injured and having the worst season of his career the Lakers are a lottery team. Kobe is putting up his most efficient numbers to date so it's clear the Lakers success has little to do with him. LA has always gone as far as their big men can take them. The myth of Kobe's superhuman abilities continue...

Yeah your argument becomes valid once you show me where Gasol is ranked higher than Kobe on the all time list, MVP voting, all NBA team selections, championships, MVPs and Finals MVP's. Otherwise you're just a clueless fvck

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

People trying to blame Kobe's teammates for his number 1 usage %? lol. Ahead of all point guards. Ahead of Kylie Irving who is a pg on a horrible team with no supporting cast. Ahead of Westbrook, Melo, Durant, and Lebron. Guys in their prime.

Guess where Dwight is ranked in terms of usage? 102!! Tied with Corey Brewer. LMAO! Guess where Pau is ranked? 148! Tied with Patty Mills. :roll: No excuses for Kobe. Everyone is laughing at him and at that horrible picture he and Dwight took which was clearly a PR stunt.

Kobe has no personality, no team chemistry, no likeability, no leadership. Seriously, what player or coach, past or present, does Kobe have a good relationship with? Nobody wants to play with this dude.

[RRR3]

Too many tired arguments going on in here. This thread is now about Amber Fox:

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[longtime lurker]

Guys an idiot as well as artillery an obvious spurs fan and kobe troll. That's what happens when one man rapes your team over the course of a decade. According to Kun though kobes 33/7/6 series against the spurs 'don't count' because he played with Shaq just to give you an idea of how stupid he is. :oldlol:

That series in the WCF against the sun's was kobes last great series in the playoffs. The reason La fell off is because Kobe declined big time in 2011 compared to 2010, and bynum started to take over pays role on offense leaving him disinterested. People forget bynum averaged 19/12 after the all star break on great shooting. But he didn't have the passing Gasol had so the role players became less involved. The whole team started to sink after that.

:confusedshrug: what can you say? Does a crazy person know they're crazy? They repeat the same bullshit over and over again like it's a legitimate argument.

[Godzuki]

i still believe in them. well, other than Pau, even if he has a good game here and there he's way too inconsistent and perimeter oriented to rely on, and he's way too soft to handle the low post with any regularity. the worst thing about him is he's so weak mentally. they need to get value for him while they can.

they need to keep playing with heart and hustle right now which should set an precedent for when Dwight and Pau get back. and D Antoni needs to rotate Clark and Sacre in more for the bigs. they'll make the playoffs but i don't see them winning a ring. i really dislike Morris and Meeks too, i think they can do better than them, even Duhon is better.

its not even the all star break yet, plenty of season left and the LAkers are slowly showing more and more improvement. big thing was energy, heart, and hustle which they've showed since Pau/Dwight got hurt...

[longtime lurker]

People trying to blame Kobe's teammates for his number 1 usage %? lol. Ahead of all point guards. Ahead of Kylie Irving who is a pg on a horrible team with no supporting cast. Ahead of Westbrook, Melo, Durant, and Lebron. Guys in their prime.

Guess where Dwight is ranked in terms of usage? 102!! Tied with Corey Brewer. LMAO! Guess where Pau is ranked? 148! Tied with Patty Mills. :roll: No excuses for Kobe. Everyone is laughing at him and at that horrible picture he and Dwight took which was clearly a PR stunt.

Kobe has no personality, no team chemistry, no likeability, no leadership. Seriously, what player or coach, past or present, does Kobe have a good relationship with? Nobody wants to play with this dude.

Translation: :cry: :cry: :cry: Kobe didn't sign my autograph

[Deuce Bigalow]

Always consider the source.



:roll: :roll: :roll:
Consider the source


That's true. Those guys' peaks are just as impressive, though. '01-04 Tmac w/ Gasol and Phil? Mid-to-late 80's Nique w/ Shaq? At least 3-4 rings each.

That's not a knock on Kobe. Most volume (perimeter) scorers need bigmen to steer the ship.
:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_arron_afflalo.jpg
Would give up Gasol, Jamison, and Meeks for him, easily.

[tpols]

People trying to blame Kobe's teammates for his number 1 usage %? lol. Ahead of all point guards. Ahead of Kylie Irving who is a pg on a horrible team with no supporting cast. Ahead of Westbrook, Melo, Durant, and Lebron. Guys in their prime.

Guess where Dwight is ranked in terms of usage? 102!! Tied with Corey Brewer. LMAO! Guess where Pau is ranked? 148! Tied with Patty Mills. No excuses for Kobe. Everyone is laughing at him and at that horrible picture he and Dwight took which was clearly a PR stunt.

Kobe has no personality, no team chemistry, no likeability, no leadership. Seriously, what player or coach, past or present, does Kobe have a good relationship with? Nobody wants to play with this dude.
:roll: :roll:

I'm glad everyone can see it now

[longtime lurker]

Would give up Gasol, Jamison, and Meeks for him, easily.

You know I'm pretty sure you're still a couple million short to make that trade. Who would have thought that Orlando actually got 2 of the best players in that deal.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Translation: :cry: :cry: :cry: Kobe didn't sign my autograph

Attack the poster not the content. Kobe fans in a nutshell.

[longtime lurker]

Attack the poster not the content. Kobe fans in a nutshell.

Dude your whole rant was a butt hurt personal moment that sounded like Kobe tea bagged you and made your whole family watch.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dude your whole rant was a butt hurt personal moment that sounded like Kobe tea bagged you and made your whole family watch.

If I sound "butt hurt", what does this post say about you? :oldlol:

Like I said, attack the poster but ignore the content. Kobe fans wanna ignore the fact their boy has been chucking (#1 usage rate in the league) and playing no defense.

[STATUTORY]

If I sound "butt hurt", what does this post say about you? :oldlol:

Like I said, attack the poster but ignore the content. Kobe fans wanna ignore the fact their boy has been chucking (#1 usage rate in the league) and playing no defense all season.

dude u really sound like a jilted lover man. Kobe's got no personality and no likeability?

u looking for a surrogate father or a boyfriend? if so yea kobe ain't for u but if u want rings. kobe got 5.

[tpols]

dude u really sound like a jilted lover man. Kobe's got no personality and no likeability?

u looking for a surrogate father or a boyfriend? if so yea kobe ain't for u but if u want rings. kobe got 5.
Might be for him after all:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

If I sound "butt hurt", what does this post say about you? :oldlol:

Like I said, attack the poster but ignore the content. Kobe fans wanna ignore the fact their boy has been chucking (#1 usage rate in the league) and playing no defense.
All the while he's leading the league in simple rating
http://www.82games.com/1213/ROLRTG8.HTM

+6.5 with him on the court
-15.3 with him off the court

His own production 26.8
His opponents production 11.6
+15.2 net for Kobe

Now run along

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

dude u really sound like a jilted lover man. Kobe's got no personality and no likeability?

u looking for a surrogate father or a boyfriend? if so yea kobe ain't for u but if u want rings. kobe got 5.

Kobe apostles talking about "teabags" and "boyfriends". What an odd group of fans. :oldlol:

I find it hilarious that Dwight finally snapped on Kobe in the locker room and had to be restrained. I can imagine Kobe looking like a deer in the headlights having mental images of the beat down Chris child's laid on him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

All the while he's leading the league in simple rating
http://www.82games.com/1213/ROLRTG8.HTM

+6.5 with him on the court
-15.3 with him off the court

Now run along

:confusedshrug:

With Kobe: 15-20. Good for a non-playoff spot.

[longtime lurker]

If I sound "butt hurt", what does this post say about you? :oldlol:

Like I said, attack the poster but ignore the content. Kobe fans wanna ignore the fact their boy has been chucking (#1 usage rate in the league) and playing no defense.

When have I been butthurt? I just can't tolerate stupid people that are a constant broken record. And my post wasn't even addressing the part about usage rate or playing defense(which is actually a valid topic) it was about you going off about Kobe's personality like an ex girlfriend.

[longtime lurker]

:confusedshrug:

With Kobe: 15-20. Good for a non-playoff spot.

So using that pea sized brain of yours do you think there are other factors that contribute to a 15-20 record besides Kobe(not that he isn't one of them).

[Deuce Bigalow]

:confusedshrug:

With Kobe: 15-20. Good for a non-playoff spot.
So NOW team accomplishments count?

With Kobe:
5 championships
7 conference championships
784-412 regular season record
135-85 playoff record

[Heavincent]

I find it hilarious that Dwight finally snapped on Kobe in the locker room and had to be restrained. I can imagine Kobe looking like a deer in the headlights having mental images of the beat down Chris child's laid on him.

You actually believe that story?

:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When have I been butthurt? I just can't tolerate stupid people that are a constant broken record. And my post wasn't even addressing the part about usage rate or playing defense(which is actually a valid topic) it was about you going off about Kobe's personality like an ex girlfriend.

I'd rather sound like Phil Jackson (who called Kobe immature, selfish and uncoachable) than a crazed Kobe fan defending his honor. :oldlol:

Back to the topic at hand...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So NOW team accomplishments count?

With Kobe:
5 championships
7 conference championships
784-412 regular season record
135-85 playoff record

We're discussing this season. Not the years Pau, Shaq and PJax carried Kobe. Try to keep up.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'd rather sound like Phil Jackson (who called Kobe immature, selfish and uncoachable) than a crazed Kobe fan defending his honor. :oldlol:

Back to the topic at hand...
Wait, is this the same Phil Jackson that had KOBE on 5 of his championship teams?

[longtime lurker]

I'd rather sound like Phil Jackson (who called Kobe immature, selfish and uncoachable) than a crazed Kobe fan defending his honor. :oldlol:

Back to the topic at hand...

See this is where I know people believe what they want to believe. You don't sound like Phil Jackson you sound like a bitter ex and considering that Phil returned to coach the Lakers multiple times you also sound like a hypocrite enjoy! I'm not defending Kobe's honour I really couldn't give a shit about his honour. Don't give a damn if he's the biggest dickhead on earth I'm here to talk basketball while you're caught up in some gossip girl bullshit

[Deuce Bigalow]

We're discussing this season. Not the years Pau, Shaq and PJax carried Kobe. Try to keep up.
This season, when the guy is #1 in simple rating? And his team has the biggest dropoff when he sits on the bench?
OK lets discuss.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

See this is where I know people believe what they want to believe. You don't sound like Phil Jackson you sound like a bitter ex and considering that Phil returned to coach the Lakers multiple times you also sound like a hypocrite enjoy! I'm not defending Kobe's honour I really couldn't give a shit about his honour. Don't give a damn if he's the biggest dickhead on earth I'm here to talk basketball while you're caught up in some gossip girl bullshit

And to me, you and your Kobe fan club sound like a bunch of nutjobs living vicariously through Kobe. Lets agree to disagree.

Once more, back to the topic at hand...

[longtime lurker]

And to me, you and your Kobe fan club sound like a bunch of nutjobs living vicariously through Kobe. Lets agree to disagree.

Once more, back to the topic at hand...

Yeah that's because you're a nutjob living to discredit the man :confusedshrug: as far as I know most of these posters are actual Lakers fans. And by typical fan logic if you're going to tend to lean towards what's in the best interest of your team.

Just curious which team do you root for?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah that's because you're a nutjob living to discredit the man :confusedshrug: as far as I know most of these posters are actual Lakers fans. And by typical fan logic if you're going to tend to lean towards what's in the best interest of your team.

First of all, I'm a Clippers fan. I don't "live" to discredit the man. You're so enamored w/ Kobe you would think even the slighest criticism = hate.

I call it like I see it; you guys choose to ignore it. That's the difference.

[Deuce Bigalow]

First of all, I'm a Clippers fan. I don't "live" to discredit the man. You're so enamored w/ Kobe you would think even the slighest criticism = hate.

I call it like I see it; you guys choose to ignore it. That's the difference.
And you see it as Kobe being a T-Mac with Bigs.

What I see this as is you might have less brain cells than the average person.

[StateOfMind12]

Trade Kobe is the answer.

[longtime lurker]

First of all, I'm a Clippers fan. I don't "live" to discredit the man. You're so enamored w/ Kobe you would think even the slighest criticism = hate.

I call it like I see it; you guys choose to ignore it. That's the difference.

Since when is making unsubstantiated claims about a player's character and acting like you're menstrating "criticism"? You really have to dislike someone to believe a bogus article about him fighting Dwight Howard and then believing him taking a picture of them ready to fight is just a PR attempt. :oldlol:

Anyways if some poster told you that the Clippers should run their offense on post up through Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin and turn Chris Paul into a spot up shooter would you take them seriously?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And you see it as Kobe being a T-Mac with Bigs.

What I see this as is you might have less brain cells.

Why is that a bad thing? Did you watch TMac from '01-03??? He and Kobe were virtually the same player.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why is that a bad thing? Did you watch TMac from '01-03??? He and Kobe were virtually the same player.
8. Kobe Bryant
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69. Tracy McGrady

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Since when is making unsubstantiated claims about a player's character and acting like you're menstrating "criticism"? You really have to dislike someone to believe a bogus article about him fighting Dwight Howard and then believing him taking a picture of them ready to fight is just a PR attempt. :oldlol:

I was attacked before making those "claims". It is what it is.


Anyways if some poster told you that the Clippers should run their offense on post up through Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin and turn Chris Paul into a spot up shooter would you take them seriously?

They're 28-8. Why would someone ask or make that observation? :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

I was attacked before making those "claims". It is what it is.



They're 28-8. Why would someone ask or make that observation? :oldlol:

Just answer the question would you take that poster seriously? So if the Lakers were 28-8 with Kobe playing the exact same way you still wouldn't consider him a chucker?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Just answer the question would you take that poster seriously? So if the Lakers were 28-8 with Kobe playing the exact same way you still wouldn't consider him a chucker?

It's rhetorical. Obviously, I wouldn't criticize Kobe; his team is winning.

Thing is, Kobe not playing defense and shooting 20+ shots a game is NOT working right now.

[longtime lurker]

It's rhetorical. Obviously, I wouldn't criticize Kobe; his team is winning.

Thing is, Kobe not playing defense and shooting 20+ shots a game is NOT working right now.

No the question actually wasn't rhetorical. My point is that you're a Clippers fan and even if their record was 15-20 I doubt that you'd place the blame all on the best player on the team(Chris Paul) and I doubt that you'd say oh well this isn't working let's run the ball through Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin and put Paul into a position that does not suit his strength. Now imagine the Clippers gave up 120 points a game, there's no way you're blaming it all on Chris Paul putting up "empty stats"

And if the Lakers were winning of course you'd criticize Kobe, you'd just give all the credit to his teammates like you did in your first couple posts in this thread.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No the question actually wasn't rhetorical.

It is because it depends on the team. In a vacuum, of course I wouldn't. His teams winning. But that's not the way it works. ATM, LA needs Kobe's defense more than anything else.

The fact he's a liability on that end is a joke.

[longtime lurker]

It is because it depends on the team. In a vacuum, of course I wouldn't. His teams winning. But that's not the way it works. ATM, LA needs Kobe's defense more than anything else. The fact he's a liability on that end is a joke.

Well that's why I used Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan as an example, not Kareem and Mchale :confusedshrug: Again I'm wondering why does it all fall on Kobe defensively. Dwight, Pau, Nash(again can't really blame him he is what he is) and most of the bench players have been horrible defensively. Yet you're asking a 34 year old guard who's defense everyone has admitted has slipped to cover up for the mistakes of 4 other players. Not to mention a coach who doesn't give a damn about the defensive end and who's obviously not drawing up any defensive schemes.

The numbers says the Lakers are substantially better with Kobe on the floor than with him off it. Even if you watch the games you can see that. I'm really trying to understand your logic here.

[talamo]

Kobe is the reason for the Laker struggles. He plays no defense, his teammates are trash and he cant carry them. The only way he can win is with a roster stacked from top to bottom. some peoples have him in their top 10 all time :facepalm
I bet Lebron on this years Lakers go 82-0
Smh at Kobe fans who think this guy is anything more than an overrated ineffecient brick chucker




amidoinitrite?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well that's why I used Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan as an example, not Kareem and Mchale

It's not the same because Paul and Kobe are two completely different players w/ contrary roles. The answer you're looking for isn't simply a yes or no. You gotta take some factors into account.


Again I'm wondering why does it all fall on Kobe defensively. Dwight, Pau, Nash(again can't really blame

Because he's not playing any? My thing is, if he can jack up 20+ shots to average 30ppg, why cant he play defense? Everyone blows right past him leaving Dwight and Pau to do everything.

[Deuce Bigalow]

6 losses in a row and 6 games below .500. Will this be the loss that will bring about a major trade?