Kobe Bryant will NOT make the ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM this Year.

[ZaaaaaH]

http://lakerholics.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/kobe-defense.jpg

All those years he deserved it he will not be awarded this year. BOOK IT!

[jstern]

Yes he will. The other day on LA radio they were going over the Lakers saying what each player gave them. Criticism most of them, but when Kobe came up they said, "We know he's going to give you amazing offense and all defensive 1st team defense." Analyst don't watch these games as close as people on freaking ISH.

[Mach_3]

Yes he will. The other day on LA radio they were going over the Lakers saying what each player gave them. Criticism most of them, but when Kobe came up they said, "We know he's going to give you amazing offense and all defensive 1st team defense." Analyst don't watch these games as close as people on freaking ISH.


It seems like half the time they don't even watch the damn game

[pauk]

I dont think he deserved it last year either (2nd all-def i mean), but still got in.... just saying, dont be surprised if it happens again...

[longtime lurker]

Yes he will. The other day on LA radio they were going over the Lakers saying what each player gave them. Criticism most of them, but when Kobe came up they said, "We know he's going to give you amazing offense and all defensive 1st team defense." Analyst don't watch these games as close as people on freaking ISH.

Good thing the analysts don't actually vote for defensive teams....

[KOBEtherealKing]

he will since you said "book it".. "book it" is the new curse, the opposite happens.

[MMM]

Kobe should not have been on defensive teams for most of the last few seasons. Yes I know he can play D when he wants but for the most part he has been conserving energy on that side of the ball for offense.

[I<3NBA]

he has been undeserving of it for the last 4 years

[gin17]

this is like saying marcus thornton will not make the all star team. obvious. both will not make it because both does not deserve to be in it.

[Whoah10115]

0% chance of him making it.



He certainly shouldn't have been 1st Team in 2011 and he shouldn't have made either team last year. But he managed to make the 2nd team last year. This is the year he falls off.


OP is not exactly making a bold statement. For those who think he will, you'll have to be very wrong...unless he literally turns around his defensive season.

[9erempiree]

Although he's not playing the greatest defense for his standards, nobody on his position is playing better than him defensively.

Kobe can do so much.:facepalm

[joeyjoejoe]

Although he's not playing the greatest defense for his standards, nobody on his position is playing better than him defensively.

Kobe can do so much.:facepalm

Sorry man but the guys a liability on d, he'll prob make the all def team but i'll be fu##ed if your gonna tell me he deserves it

[KG215]

Although he's not playing the greatest defense for his standards, nobody on his position is playing better than him defensively.

Kobe can do so much.:facepalm
:oldlol:

There's probably literally dozens of guards playing better defense than Kobe this year. 3/4 of the All-Defense guard spots right now should be reserved for Tony Allen, Sefolosha, and Iguodala, and Kobe's not the fourth....not even close.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Although he's not playing the greatest defense for his standards, nobody on his position is playing better than him defensively.

Kobe can do so much.:facepalm

You're saying Kobe plays better defence than Avery Bradley and Tony Allen?

[KG215]

You're saying Kobe plays better defence than Avery Bradley and Tony Allen?
Sorry, but to be considered right now you have to have played more than five games. Bradley has zero case or argument to be All-Defense right now. Of course I'm sure he's probably played about as much defense in five games than Kobe has all season this year.

I've listed three guards that I think deserve 3/4 of the guard spots on the All-Defense teams: Allen, Sefolosha, Iguodala. I'm sure there's at least 10-15 others that deserve that fourth spot over Kobe.

[9erempiree]

All defense are usually reserved for two way players or two way superstars. Players that play both ends of the ball. Allen and Thabo are strictly defensive player and not really good at it, considering that's their only job.

Like I said, is there a two way player that deserves a spot over Kobe?

[Whoah10115]

Iguodala is not especially deserving. He has no more a case than Rondo does.


Allen and Sefalosha on the first team. Conley is easily on the 2nd Team and both Jason Kidd and Chris Paul have arguments to make the team. If there was a 3rd Team, you'd have Kidd/Paul, along with Rondo, Iguodala, even Eric Bledsoe in his limited minutes. Also, Jrue Holiday is close enough for a mention.


Kobe is not in this discussion.

[KG215]

Iguodala is not especially deserving. He has no more a case than Rondo does.


Allen and Sefalosha on the first team. Conley is easily on the 2nd Team and both Jason Kidd and Chris Paul have arguments to make the team. If there was a 3rd Team, you'd have Kidd/Paul, along with Rondo, Iguodala, even Eric Bledsoe in his limited minutes. Also, Jrue Holiday is close enough for a mention.


Kobe is not in this discussion.
Forgot about Conley. He's definitely deserving right now. And I agree, more deserving than Iguodala. Point being, and you helped me prove it, there's a bunch of guards more deserving than Kobe.

[KG215]

All defense are usually reserved for two way players or two way superstars. Players that play both ends of the ball. Allen and Thabo are strictly defensive player and not really good at it, considering that's their only job.

Like I said, is there a two way player that deserves a spot over Kobe?
Then why the hell is it called the All-Defense team? And Sefolosha and Allen aren't really good at it? Are you really that f***ing stupid? They're the two best lockdown perimeter defenders in the league right now (consistently). Sure, that may be their only job, but who the hell cares? I haven't seen many Grizzlies games this year, but I've watched Thabo plenty, and he's VERY good at what he does.

[9erempiree]

Kobe's most likely getting 2nd team. Nobody said he was going to get 1st team.

[KG215]

Kobe's most likely getting 2nd team. Nobody said he was going to get 1st team.
:oldlol:

Kobe wouldn't even deserve it if there were 5 All-Defense teams.

[9erempiree]

:oldlol:

Kobe wouldn't even deserve it if there were 5 All-Defense teams.

:facepalm

you are pathetic as usual.

[joeyjoejoe]

As a clipps fan i'll take kobe defending cp on that last shot over sefolosha every day of the week, yes kobe is pretty special offensively but thats where it ends

[Whoah10115]

When Kobe wants, he still plays good and occasionally great defense.


However, the posts I see quoted from the Kobe nut show someone who has no idea what he's talking about. I guess Tony Allen wasn't 1st Team last year, ahead of Bryant. I guess Sefalosha hasn't made the team before. I guess Bruce Bowen wasn't there all the time. I guess I could go on and on and on.


Kobe has 0 chance. Sorry. And the three people that give him a vote will be embarrassing themselves.



And just to answer his question, what two-way guard is playing better defense:

Conley, Kidd, Iguodala, Rondo, Holiday, blah blah...pretty much everyone I mentioned, minus Sefalosha and Allen. Wesley Matthews is also playing better defense. Tyreke Evans is playing better defense. Dwyane Wade's ass is playing better defense.


Thank you for chiming in.

[LakersFan626]

Yes he will. The other day on LA radio they were going over the Lakers saying what each player gave them. Criticism most of them, but when Kobe came up they said, "We know he's going to give you amazing offense and all defensive 1st team defense." Analyst don't watch these games as close as people on freaking ISH.

Well, Lakers are 22nd in defense this year and have a losing record, which is a lot to overcome considering that they have had a winning record every year of Kobe's career outside of 04-05 and good defense the last 4-5 seasons.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Sorry, but to be considered right now you have to have played more than five games. Bradley has zero case or argument to be All-Defense right now. Of course I'm sure he's probably played about as much defense in five games than Kobe has all season this year.

I've listed three guards that I think deserve 3/4 of the guard spots on the All-Defense teams: Allen, Sefolosha, Iguodala. I'm sure there's at least 10-15 others that deserve that fourth spot over Kobe.

Just watch a full Celtics game of Bradley then try and tell me he's not deserving. Barring any further injury he should be in one of the teams, and imo the 1st team.

I'm not arguing your point, although I'd consider Iggy a SF. Where's he playing this year?

[ShaqAttack3234]

He has been a great defender at times during his career, but he hasn't deserved an all-defensive first or second team since at least '09, and didn't necessarily deserve every selection he got even when he was younger, such as making the all-defensive team in '07. Out of the all-defensive selections he did receive, I think he deserved the first team selections in '00 and '08 and the second team selections in '00 and '02. A few other years he got first team, I think second team would have been more appropriate.

I'm not sure he makes either team this year with how bad the Lakers have been, and in particular, their defense. Although Kobe's individual play has been a big story and might be enough.

[tazb]

If he gets it again this year, unfortunately this award lost all credibility.

[rmt]

All defense are usually reserved for two way players or two way superstars. Players that play both ends of the ball. Allen and Thabo are strictly defensive player and not really good at it, considering that's their only job.

Like I said, is there a two way player that deserves a spot over Kobe?

Ben Wallace and Bruce Bowen would have something to say about your comments. Kobe hasn't deserved any all-defensive selections for YEARS - what a travesty to the true defensive specialists that guard the best players night in, night out.

[Nero Tulip]

"well, Kobe was selected in the all defensive team many times" will be how people point out how meaningless this award is.

[Horatio33]

Kobe will get an All-D vote, some voter will be either stupid, a Kobe lover or both.

[Rysio]

if he doesnt it would be a huge robbery. according to stats and watching games kobe is one of the best defenders in the league.

[Whoah10115]

Just watch a full Celtics game of Bradley then try and tell me he's not deserving. Barring any further injury he should be in one of the teams, and imo the 1st team.

I'm not arguing your point, although I'd consider Iggy a SF. Where's he playing this year?



He's not deserving.


He's played 4 or 5 games. So he's not deserving or near the conversation. He'll still have played only 50 games by the end of the year. Nothing wrong with saying he missed too missed games and shouldn't make it. He most certainly is not going to merit 1st Team based on 50 games and how he plays at his best. Not at all.

[selrahc]

kobe is best defenser at shooting guard position this year :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

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All those years he deserved it he will not be awarded this year. BOOK IT!

Of course he'll make it.

He always makes it regardless of how horrible and inconsistent his defense is.

[NumberSix]

Yes he will.

[Allstar24]

Who cares? He already has more than MJ. He's set, doesn't need anymore of them.

[andgar923]

Who cares? He already has more than MJ. He's set, doesn't need anymore of them.

And yet, no sane person will ever say he's a better defender than MJ.

Kobe is close to MJ on the offensive side, he's very similar to him no doubt.

On the defensive side however, he's not close.

[KG215]

And yet, no sane person will ever say he's a better defender than MJ.

Kobe is close to MJ on the offensive side, he's very similar to him no doubt.

On the defensive side however, he's not close.
But I've had Kobe stans tell me that, not only is Kobe the best perimeter defender of all-time, he's a top 10 defender all-time -- citing Kobe's All-Defensive teams as proof.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And yet, no sane person will ever say he's a better defender than MJ.

Kobe is close to MJ on the offensive side, he's very similar to him no doubt.

On the defensive side however, he's not close.

In terms of skillet? Sure. If we're debating impact and efficiency, it's not even a legit discussion. Jordan's offensive impact was bottomless.

[chazzy]

The Lakers are bad and their defense has been a talking point. Media is really taking notice of his defense this year, he won't make the 2nd team

[ZaaaaaH]

Shiit Just GOT REAL.



http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225598/Kobe_To_Take_Tougher_Perimeter_Defensive_Assignmen ts


With this KOBE WILL MAKE THE ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM BOOK IT !

[upside24]

:oldlol:

There's probably literally dozens of guards playing better defense than Kobe this year. 3/4 of the All-Defense guard spots right now should be reserved for Tony Allen, Sefolosha, and Iguodala, and Kobe's not the fourth....not even close.
This. Kobe shouldn't be on any All Defense team. He loses track of his man ball-watching and as an on-ball defender he is not as good as the guys you listed.

[gigantes]

All those years he deserved it he will not be awarded this year. BOOK IT!
i hear you, dude... but somehow i have a feeling that owning five of the greatest trophies in the world will ease his pain.....

[Smoke117]

I dunno, the media seem to be ****ing retards so who knows if he will make it. Kobe is the most overrated defensive player of all time. He postures up on an opponent and everyone thinks he's this big shit defender...except for the fact that he over pressures his opponent almost every time and lets him get by him regularly. Kobe has gotten all these 1st team all defensive nods because he postures up and it seems like great defense. It's pathetic because he over pressures regular and lets his man get by him regularly. People will think he'lll actually be some great defender because of the awards when it's basically a joke to anyone who saw him play during his career. ugh

[Whoah10115]

I dunno, the media seem to be ****ing retards so who knows if he will make it. Kobe is the most overrated defensive player of all time. He postures up on an opponent and everyone thinks he's this big shit defender...except for the fact that he over pressures his opponent almost every time and lets him get by him regularly. Kobe has gotten all these 1st team all defensive nods because he postures up and it seems like great defense. It's pathetic because he over pressures regular and lets his man get by him regularly. People will think he'lll actually be some great defender because of the awards when it's basically a joke to anyone who saw him play during his career. ugh


The beginning of your post is entirely made up. Complete nonsense and one of the most obviously examples of hating I'll ever see. You just got done talking about Ray Allen being a good defender that was just made to look worse on Milwaukee and Seattle. And now you're saying Kobe would overpressure and guys would blow buy him? That's one of the most obviously stupid things I've heard. He's gotten by on a rep, a lot. The last few years he most certainly wasn't deserving. But according to you, he never was.


I think someone doesn't like Kobe. Objectivity is not associated with almost anything you say about him.

[Lebron23]

Kobe deserved his first 5 All Defensive team selection, but he didn't deserved his later defensive team selections. He made it based on his reputations. Once Kobe focused on his offensive game. His defense faltered.

[warriorfan]

Kobe deserved his first 5 All Defensive team selection, but he didn't deserved his later defensive team selections. He made it based on his reputations. Once Kobe focused on his offensive game. His defense faltered.

More defensive teams

More rings

Higher all time rankings

Kobe > LeEmptyStats

[Lebron23]

More defensive teams

More rings

Higher all time rankings

Kobe > LeEmptyStats

In your deluded world. 4x nba mvp and 3x finals mvp is better than 1x mvp, and 2x finals mvp.