Sandy Hook Conspiracy

[iDunk]

You've probably seen this, but this needs to be discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d516tIViRLI

The last few minutes of the video blew my mind.

[Riddler]

The last few minutes of the video blew my mind.

which part?

The FEMA drill or the Dec. 10th Facebook account?

[niko]

Little kids were murdered and you only see it as an interesting way to discuss your conspiracy theories. It's very sad.

[miller-time]

That video is a convoluted mess of trivialities and wild speculation. I mean you can't even respond because there is nothing to respond to.

[IInvented]

****ed up shit.... Saw this yesterday

[Riddler]

Adam Lanza being led into the school by police officers (http://info.themicroeffect.com/2013/01/14/photo-prooves-adam-lanza-was-planted-at-shcool-shooting/)

video removed :confusedshrug:

[miller-time]

video removed :confusedshrug:

Probably the Illuminati as usual. Those guys!

[Riddler]

Probably the Illuminati as usual. Those guys!

I know right....

http://imageshack.us/a/img132/6149/screenshot20121229at557.png

those guys in the Illuminati sure do know how to throw it right in your face.

In case you forgot... We have a giant OWL surrounding our capital

http://illuminatimatrix.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/owl-capitol-zoomed-out.gif



You can see the parents of the child who made that drawing at 14:39 in the OP's video... Their behavior is perfectly normal.

They only act as if their daughter passed away 5 years ago instead of 5 days.

[miller-time]

You can see the parents of the child who made that drawing at 14:39 in the OP's video... Their behavior is perfectly normal.

They only act as if their daughter passed away 5 years ago instead of 5 days.

What is normal?

I mean if we are just speculating, it could be a possible combination of the reality not hitting them yet and an attempt to remain strong through the interview? Or maybe they are just sociopaths? Who knows?

Either way, none of this is evidence right now, just speculation.

[Wally450]

Little kids were murdered and you only see it as an interesting way to discuss your conspiracy theories. It's very sad.

That's what I'm saying, its awful.

And the picture of the lawyer from the Aurora shooting and one of that parents from the Sandy Hook shooting saying they're the same person is ridiculous. They don't look alike at all

[kNIOKAS]

I'm not into this conspiracy, but I think it's inaccurate to judge somebody by how you would suppose somebody would be acting if his kid has really died. It is very intimate, unique and subjective thing. It's not acting, it is very real, so you just cannot, just cannot get it right. You can get caught up on it so easily and start judging how the person acts compared to the actors in the movies, but this is real life!!!

[1987_Lakers]

Video is legit. How the hell can you explain the FEMA part & the Dec. 10 Facebook page?

People are too damn scared to ask questions.

[Riddler]

I'm not into this conspiracy, but I think it's inaccurate to judge somebody by how you would suppose somebody would be acting if his kid has really died. It is very intimate, unique and subjective thing. It's not acting, it is very real, so you just cannot, just cannot get it right. You can get caught up on it so easily and start judging how the person acts compared to the actors in the movies, but this is real life!!!

I got a video just for you buddy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs

[MMM]

The media really did a good job with this story
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Maybe we have to look at how we can improve how the media cover these stories instead of making wild speculation off of their errors.

[kentatm]

that video is just plain full of shit and extremely weak with it selective editing.


the part that pisses me off the most the the idiotic bashing of the way people are handling their grief.

as somebody who used to work for a news station and been up close and personal with many different tragic situations, I can say with confidence that not only do people react in a variety of ways, but that laughter is not a strange reaction when a person is overwhelmed with emotion.

I have seen a person who was part of a cancer survivor story get told minutes before they were going on air their cancer was back. This ladies reaction, who had also lost her 8 year old son to cancer during her first battle, was laughter.

I have seen people grieving at funerals who were to get up and speak start out with a nervous chuckle only to completely break down in tears as they got into their talk about the lost friend.

I have seen people who were bawling before the cameras rolled tighten it up and become stone cold emotionless. I've also seen the opposite where it seemed nothing could bother them but when they got to a key memory they lost it.

**** hits people differently and nobody copes the same way.

Anyone who acts like laughter in a tragic moment is unheard of is ignorant and fortunate enough to not have been around that much death and negativity.


also, as for bad information in the first few days during the reporting, that is very common as well. One of my first stories was when a father went and shot a football coach b/c he was mad his kid wasn't getting enough PT.

There was a huge manhunt in the woods for this guy and there were all kinds of wild rumors flying around. We were hearing things like he may have a hostage, he may have knifed a cop, he had many guns on him etc etc. None of it turned out to be true. One of the most difficult things to do in a chaotic situation is to figure out what information is good and what information is bogus.

Unfortunately with the way all the cable and networks news nets operate, the sourcing of information tends to take a back back seat in the name of getting the story first to get the ratings. So you may hear a bogus report repeated ad nauseum for several hours b/c a reporter might not care to do the leg work, the reporters source may be incorrect or feel pressure to produce info right away, or they could have simply gotten things crossed up while gathering information as quickly as possible.

and you know what? Part of that sloppy reporting is the PUBLICS fault due to their incessant need to know EVERYTHING right NOW and their petty station jumping to whoever comes out with the newest details.

This is what causes false initial reports on events such as the reports the Titanic was saved, the infamous Dewey Defeats Truman headline, and the incorrect initial headlines that all 13 of the coal miners in the Sago Mine disaster survived.

there was no AR recovered from the trunk. All of the videos of news coverage in the youtube video is pretty clear except for the video of the police removing something from the trunk of the car. For some reason the author of the video decided to use the fuzziest video in the entire 30min clip to show that an AR was recovered from the trunk of the car. IT is clear that the intention of the fuzzy video is to cover for the fact that the gun was likely a semiauto shotgun as opposed to an AR. Even with the awful quality of the video you can see the weapon appears to be brown/wood in color and the way the officer clears the weapon is inconsistent with an AR.

Next, the BS with the websites and their creation date. There are numerous website out there showing that if you simply edit a video clip or another prior site it will still show the original creation date instead of the date it was changed to content related to Sandy Hook. Everyone one of the site creators have said this exactly what happened. They created various other sites unrelated to Sandy Hook, edited them to raise funds/discuss Sandy Hook after the disaster, and that the creation dates still relate to the original creation dates. Some of the sites were actually "created" in 2006 if you believe the claim they were fabricated prior to the shooting. That seems like a long time to plan the shooting.

The FEMA stuff? Yea, they had been practicing drills for schools in emergency situations for some times all around the state. The actual course description talks about how it is about providing services during disasters to help children. The Connecticut Department of Homeland Security (not the Federal DHS) had offered the same course numerous times across the state.

As far as the medical examiner, watch the video again and watch the things in the background. The video is edited and replayed numerous times constantly showing 1 or 2 minor statements by the ME to make it appear that he was unprofessional and weird. He may be weird, but to manipulate the video over and over distorts what really happened in the raw video in an attempt to cast him in a negative life. The video's creator obviously succeed in his manipulation.

The Facebook part is also bunk. You can go look at the damn thing. Shooting started about 9:30am. First comments about 3:26pm. https://www.facebook.com/SandyHookRIP A person who didn't know what else to do created the thing in hopes they could help others thats it.

the author of that video wants attention and hits to his YOuTube account. You people are being suckers.

[miller-time]

Question, what exactly was the conspiracy here? A conspiracy has a specific goal in mind.

What are they achieving by shooting school children?

[MMM]

Question, what exactly was the conspiracy here? A conspiracy has a specific goal in mind.

What are they achieving by shooting school children?

To create a narrative to take guns.

However, that would potentially result in a lot of instability, so much so that it wouldn't make sense for the Government to act in such a manner.

[Magic bird]

Little kids were murdered and you only see it as an interesting way to discuss your conspiracy theories. It's very sad.
This

[D-Rose]

This is nothing short of disgusting...the video has been popping up all over my facebook as the sheep-brained morons of our generation are easily fed this kind of bull shit.

[KevinNYC]

Two Words : Sandy Hook

One more word.: Nudists (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285027)

[NBA4EVER]

damn it, I saw it yesterday.. I'll see if I can find it again. It's just a picture of Adam Lanza, with his eyes closed wearing a vest of some sort (bulletproof) being walked by several police officers.

i wanna see it

[miller-time]

To create a narrative to take guns.

However, that would potentially result in a lot of instability, so much so that it wouldn't make sense for the Government to act in such a manner.

Wasn't there also some tie in to the Libor scandal? I guess that didn't pan out lol.

[IamRAMBO24]

Kentatm:

You wrote a bunch of jargon that can easily be discounted, but I will zone in on one statement you wrote.

"The Facebook part is also bunk. You can go look at the damn thing. Shooting started about 9:30am. First comments about 3:26pm. https://www.facebook.com/SandyHookRIP A person who didn't know what else to do created the thing in hopes they could help others thats it."

What about the facebook pages on Robbie Parker and Soto ...

Premise: if the pages and comments were posted BEFORE the shootings occurred, then it was safe to assume they MUST'VE have known such a shooting might occur.

I'm only using logic. Try to disprove it. Thanks.

[kentatm]

Next, the BS with the websites and their creation date. There are numerous website out there showing that if you simply edit a video clip or another prior site it will still show the original creation date instead of the date it was changed to content related to Sandy Hook. Everyone one of the site creators have said this exactly what happened. They created various other sites unrelated to Sandy Hook, edited them to raise funds/discuss Sandy Hook after the disaster, and that the creation dates still relate to the original creation dates. Some of the sites were actually "created" in 2006 if you believe the claim they were fabricated prior to the shooting. That seems like a long time to plan the shooting.

and again, the video author is selectively editing for his own purposes.


now go ahead and discount everything else while you're at it.

[IamRAMBO24]

and again, the video author is selectively editing for his own purposes.


now go ahead and discount everything else while you're at it.

You have failed to stick to the premise and created your own straw, so let me remind you of the premise again:

What about the Robbie Parker postings and Soto facebook page. If such postings and page were created before the shooting, wouldn't it be safe to assume they knew the shootings would occur before it did.

Simple logic.

Now stop dodging the premise.

[kentatm]

:rolleyes:

because they didnt happen in the timeframe the youtuber is claiming brah


http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z365/earthwormjim2/shc_zps75aed81f.png

oh shit! conspiracies before the event even happened! spooky!

[IamRAMBO24]

Dodging the premise again.

Whatever dude.

You're full of sh*t.

[kentatm]

:oldlol:

yea ok.

I think getting called full of shit by one of the most full of shit posters on this site is great.

[kentatm]

http://i49.tinypic.com/73kwuq.png

http://i46.tinypic.com/z4g0.png

http://i48.tinypic.com/5363xw.png


and since you didnt read my explanation in the first place, I decided to be an ass

[IamRAMBO24]

:oldlol:

yea ok.

I think getting called full of shit by one of the most full of shit posters on this site is great.

Another logical fallacy: ad hoc (the idea that if you can’t attack the argument, attack the character aka "character assassination.")

This is why I am calling you full of sh*t: all your arguments are based on fallacies.

Let's get back to the original premise I proposed:

What about the facebook postings of Robbie Parker and the page of Soto. If such a page was created prior to the death of Soto and a posting was made prior to the death of Parker's daughter, then was it safe to assume they knew of the shooting prior to it happening.

Now stop strawing your a*s around that and be honest for once. Thanks.
Stop being such a d*ck by curtailing the premise and answer this basic logical question.

[kentatm]

if you have a facebook page that hasn't hit so many likes (i believe its 200) you can completely change it.

the Soto page was simply a different page that somebody had created that had few likes and later changed it to support the victims of the tragedy.

after the Soto page hit so many likes, it could not be changed back.

it was deleted b/c the person decided all the hate and conspiracies were demeaning and not suitable for a memorial.

[IamRAMBO24]

if you have a facebook page that hasn't hit so man likes, you can change it.

the Soto page was simply a different page that somebody had created and later changed to support the victims of the tragedy.

after the Soto page hit so many likes, it could not be changed back.

it was deleted b/c the person decided all the hate and conspiracies were demeaning and not suitable for a memorial.

So the Soto page which clearly states "RIP SOTO ON DECEMBER 10TH" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqECeXlFdY) was made by someone else ..

Is that your argument ..

Then how the f*ck did they knew she was gonna be dead 4 days BEFORE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE ..

Explain.

[kentatm]

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT HAPPENED

The page itself was created before the tragedy

Its THEME was originally DIFFERENT.

However, since it had yet to hit 200 likes, the page owner was free to completely change what the page was about.

The SH attack happened and the person changed the page to make it a memorial to the teacher.

[IamRAMBO24]

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT HAPPENED

The page itself was created before the tragedy

Its THEME was originally DIFFERENT.

However, since it had yet to hit 200 likes, the page owner was free to completely change what the page was about.

The SH attack happened and the person changed the page to make it a memorial to the teacher.

It said RIP SOTO.

Which means it meant she was dead on December 10th. I don't know how else you would interpret RIP, but from my understanding it means "REST IN PEACE." The name "Soto" along with her picture and background implies it meant she was dead on that day, December 10th, 2012.

She died on Dec. 14th in the Sandy Hook shooting. That is the anomaly I am trying to figure out. How did this person know she was going to die prior to her dying. That is what I am trying to understand.

[kentatm]

Jesus tap dancing Christ!

one more time

the page itself was created for another purpose on December 10th. It could have been for LOL cat gifs or I Love Insidehoops or whatever the hell else the person first felt like creating a Facebook fan page for.

The page never hit 200 likes thus the page owner was free to change the entire theme of the page once the shootings happened.

This does not change the timestamp for when the initial page was created.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

The page already existed in another format and the page owner changed the pictures, the theme, etc once the tragedy happened to honor the teacher.

I don't know how else I can say it that can help you to understand that a Facebook page like that does not have to keep the same theme so long as its under 200 likes.

[Velocirap31]

Kentatm's explanation is pretty simple, not seeing why it's hard to understand. So the theme could have been about someone's favourite soda with the page being created on the 10th and then after Sandy Hook, the page's creator changes the theme to RIP Soto. Correct? However, the page's creation date will remain as the 10th.

Edit: I was too slow typing, you just basically said this.

[kentatm]

Kentatm's explanation is pretty simple, not seeing why it's hard to understand. So the theme could have been about someone's favourite soda with the page being created on the 10th and then after Sandy Hook, the page's creator changes the theme to RIP Soto. Correct? However, the page's creation date will remain as the 10th.

Edit: I was too slow typing, you just basically said this.


yes, EXACTLY this

[IamRAMBO24]

Kentatm's explanation is pretty simple, not seeing why it's hard to understand. So the theme could have been about someone's favourite soda with the page being created on the 10th and then after Sandy Hook, the page's creator changes the theme to RIP Soto. Correct? However, the page's creation date will remain as the 10th.

Edit: I was too slow typing, you just basically said this.

Under activities it said "R.I.P Victoria joined on Dec. 10th."

Activities can't be changed unless if you are admin of facebook. I understand that themes can be changed, but the activity timeline is something you can only hide, not edit or change in anyway.

[kentatm]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

you cant be helped it seems

[IamRAMBO24]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

you cant be helped it seems

Expected.

I've refuted every argument you tried to put out as a pathetic attempt to discount the facts.

I thought the explanation of "themes" was pretty witty, but that has been countered, so explain to me how timelines and activities can be edited.

I'm up for a challenge.

Sure the name of the facebook page can be edited, in fact, the entire page along with it's theme can be edited too and then reflect the creation date, but one thing that cannot be touched is the timeline and the activities posted.

RIP Soto was created on Dec. 10th on the timeline. Anyone who uses facebook knows the timeline can only be hidden, not edited, so when it says it was created on the 10th, then it was created on the 10th. Period. Facebook has a pretty good data collecting processing base and it is something that can't be f*cked up.

Again.

Explain.

[kentatm]

ONE MORE TIME

RIP SOTO is THE TITLE of the page!

It says RIP Soto joined on the 10th because THAT IS WHEN THE PAGE was created.

When the pages name was changed it reflects the new name and dumps the old.

It doesn't tell you if a page under 200 likes changes names. It just tells you "Page X" was created on that date.

[Jackass18]

Kentatm's explanation is pretty simple, not seeing why it's hard to understand. So the theme could have been about someone's favourite soda with the page being created on the 10th and then after Sandy Hook, the page's creator changes the theme to RIP Soto. Correct? However, the page's creation date will remain as the 10th.

Edit: I was too slow typing, you just basically said this.

It's because he so desperately wants this to be a hoax. It's funny, he's quick to believe anything that goes with the conspiracy no matter how stupid it is, but doesn't want to believe things that go against the conspiracy no matter how simple.

[Jackass18]

And you so-called 'truthers' are such nice people: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/15/16529522-grandfather-who-comforted-sandy-hook-elementary-kids-says-truthers-are-targeting-him?lite

[Riddler]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/15/16529522-grandfather-who-comforted-sandy-hook-elementary-kids-says-truthers-are-targeting-him?lite


"Psychologically people are unwilling, unprepared to accept that it was a lone gunman. So if they can't accept that, there must be some other explanation. That's why these conspiracy theories emerge."

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/5377538.jpg

[RaininThrees]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/5377538.jpg

That's the truth.

People don't like randomness... things they can't make any sense of,... choas. It's hard for the brain to grasp. So people create elaborate conspiracies to add meaning behind events - it wasn't just some random psychologically damaged kid who did this on a whim... it was some grand conspiracy masterminded by some evil people to force their agenda.

It's much more comforting to think that there was a plan behind something than to not be able to explain exactly why it happened, or that randomness exists.

[RaininThrees]

ONE MORE TIME

RIP SOTO is THE TITLE of the page!

It says RIP Soto joined on the 10th because THAT IS WHEN THE PAGE was created.

When the pages name was changed it reflects the new name and dumps the old.

It doesn't tell you if a page under 200 likes changes names. It just tells you "Page X" was created on that date.

And the add, if the creator changed the site to RIP Soto after the shooting, didn't get 200 Likes and changed it again to 'I Love ISH' last week, the site would say "I Love ISH" joined on December 10th.

[Riddler]

That's the truth.

People don't like randomness... things they can't make any sense of,... choas. It's hard for the brain to grasp. So people create elaborate conspiracies to add meaning behind events - it wasn't just some random psychologically damaged kid who did this on a whim... it was some grand conspiracy masterminded by some evil people to force their agenda.

It's much more comforting to think that there was a plan behind something than to not be able to explain exactly why it happened, or that randomness exists.

Yea, millions of Americans suddenly decided it would be much more comforting to believe their own government was involved in 9/11.

Don't get me started on the psychological reasons why you won't believe a conspiracy is possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE-IYM9v4I
Psychologists Explain 9/11 Denial - Part 1 of 2

maybe you should start looking into reasons why you're living in denial.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

But let's say if it's true, that they just created a facebook page for goofing around, and later changed it to Rip Sandy Victims, w/e. Why the hell would they do that? Why not just make a new facebook page dedicating to them?

Whole thing's just stupid

[Riddler]

But let's say if it's true, that they just created a facebook page for goofing around, and later changed it to Rip Sandy Victims, w/e. Why the hell would they do that? Why not just make a new facebook page dedicating to them?

Whole thing's just stupid

I don't Facebook at all.... Don't know $hit about how it works.

But we have another Facebook account that was supposedly started by Robbie Parker on December 14th... called the Emilie Parker Fund.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnshWZy_eE
Another Sandy Hook Massacre Oddity (2 minute video)


IDK... doesn't exactly mean anything to me, but maybe you guys might find it strange... Like I said, I don't know $hit about Facebook, so let me ask you guys if this strange or not?

[RaininThrees]

Yea, millions of Americans suddenly decided it would be much more comforting to believe their own government was involved in 9/11.

Don't get me started on the psychological reasons why you won't believe a conspiracy is possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE-IYM9v4I
Psychologists Explain 9/11 Denial - Part 1 of 2

maybe you should start looking into reasons why you're living in denial.

I do believe it is possible. ANYTHING is possible. Being possible doesn't mean that it actually occurred.

I simply believe, given the evidence, that a conspiracy is so highly unprobable that I choose to believe the story as reported.

I'm not about to get into 9/11.

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCsDPSeiQk

[IamRAMBO24]

And the add, if the creator changed the site to RIP Soto after the shooting, didn't get 200 Likes and changed it again to 'I Love ISH' last week, the site would say "I Love ISH" joined on December 10th.

You're wrong. You can experiment this yourself. The name does not change on the timeline. This is the main reason why the account was deleted when people were calling out the account holder. If a change of name equates in a change of timeline, then the account holder could of easily explained why the page was created on Dec. 10th with the name "RIP SOTO."

He made a mistake; realizes he made the mistake; deleted the account and created another account similar to it to hide the creation date.

As is, the premise still stands: why was the account created 4 days prior to the death of Soto.

I will drop my conspiracy horsesh*t when you can explain this simple logical premise.

[IamRAMBO24]

It's because he so desperately wants this to be a hoax. It's funny, he's quick to believe anything that goes with the conspiracy no matter how stupid it is, but doesn't want to believe things that go against the conspiracy no matter how simple.

I'm not desperate homeboy.

I have a legit premise:

An account that specifically states "RIP Soto" was created 4 days prior to her death.

Ignoring this premise means you are not operating on a logical set of reasoning, but rather just brushing off an argument because you are too dense to engage in it.

I am as rational as they come (who else uses the methods of logic as much as I do in this forum), so stick to the premise and prove me wrong.

[RaininThrees]

prove me wrong.

Here:

http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH#sHURt

Proven wrong.

Go away.

[RaininThrees]

prove me wrong.

I know how much you love youtube videos, so here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbDOcFe07bc

Proven Wrong.

Go away.

[IamRAMBO24]

I know how much you love youtube videos, so here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbDOcFe07bc

Proven Wrong.

Go away.

Nice try dumbsh*t, but that was another logical fallacy (changing the premise) to divert to a change in url. Of course when you change the theme and name of the account, the url will change.

This does not still explain why the activity timeline specifically states "RIP Soto" on Dec. 10th.

[MMM]

So, who are the people behind the conspiracy??

Is it the Government???
is it a shadow group in the government, that is trying to overthrow the government???

?????

[IamRAMBO24]

So, who are the people behind the conspiracy??

Is it the Government???
is it a shadow group in the government, that is trying to overthrow the government???

?????

Stick to the premise.

Why was the page created 4 days prior to her death.

[Velocirap31]

These conspiracy theorists can believe whatever they want and feel smarter than everyone else, but they cross the line when they interfere with those who are grieving. I don't understand how they can be so inconsiderate.

[MMM]

Stick to the premise.

Why was the page created 4 days prior to her death.

because the creator saw the future but did not want to tamper with the timeline

:confusedshrug:

[IamRAMBO24]

These conspiracy theorists can believe whatever they want and feel smarter than everyone else, but they cross the line when they interfere with those who are grieving. I don't understand how they can be so inconsiderate.

Another logical fallacy: appeal to emotions.

[Jackass18]

Looks like many people knew about Sandy Hook before it happened. Here's proof:

http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg


The American Psychological Association knew about it back in 2007. They sent their condolences 5 and a half years before it happened. WTF?!?!?!

[RaininThrees]

Nice try dumbsh*t, but that was another logical fallacy (changing the premise) to divert to a change in url. Of course when you change the theme and name of the account, the url will change.

This does not still explain why the activity timeline specifically states "RIP Soto" on Dec. 10th.

Really suggest you watch that video again, and actually pay attention to the stuff that deals with what you're asking about. Like, I get it that you're willfully ignoring the answer to keep your little delusion going, but it's all right there.

Specifically the part in the timeline under "activity" that says "Knicks 94 - 100 Lakers" joined facebook. Right above where it says "Joined December 22". It all changes, bro.

I mean, you're an investigator, right? Use your amazing detective powers for something useful.

[KevinNYC]

Looks like many people knew about Sandy Hook before it happened. Here's proof:

http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg


The American Psychological Association knew about it back in 2007. They sent their condolences 5 and a half years before it happened. WTF?!?!?!
:applause:

[nathanjizzle]

people cant be this stupid. i refuse to enter a gene pool with people this stupid.

[MMM]

people cant be this stupid. i refuse to enter a gene pool with people this stupid.

I truly believe we are all stupid in our own ways. Only a stupid group of people can turn what we inherited into what we have now.

[knickballer]

Looks like many people knew about Sandy Hook before it happened. Here's proof:

http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg


The American Psychological Association knew about it back in 2007. They sent their condolences 5 and a half years before it happened. WTF?!?!?!

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but that photo can easily be changed, if not better pepper my angus

[knickballer]

people cant be this stupid. i refuse to enter a gene pool with people this stupid.

I'd rather have a gene pool of individuals who are skeptical and constantly analyze the situation from both sides instead of brain dead folks who lack any self competence.

[daily]

people cant be this stupid. i refuse to enter a gene pool with people this stupid. What really bothers me is these people are using this tragedy to further a pointless agenda and in some cases actually profiting off the deaths of these people. It's just so callous and pointless, the only people that are even paying attention to these nuts are other nuts just like them.

Worse is they photoshop things and make up facts to try and gain more attention to themselves to keep the gravy train flowing.

Did you know that there are parents in Sandy Hook that lost a kid that have had to change their phone numbers because they are getting death threats from the fringe elements of society because they are calling for stricter gun controls?

Basically, Don't you dare try and step on my 2nd amendment rights because if you do I'll step on your 1st amendment rights by killing you.

Some of these people have become so pathetic.

Remember the claims that the car used was registered to somebody else. The blogger that started that has since removed the post but his response when asked why he'd put that up without confirmatiom was, conspiracy theory stuff is a hobby he has a full time job and doesn't have the time to fully research his posts :facepalm

Seriously how can these idiots justify dicking with a complete strangers life like that.

[Jackass18]

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but that photo can easily be changed, if not better pepper my angus

What are you talking about?

[tgan3]

This story has too many loopholes though..

Medical Examiner press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0OT5od9DA

Look at this guy. Does he look like a medical examiner to you? When asked what killed the children he cannot answer whether it was a handgun or rifle or whatever. All he can answer is repeated I dont knows to all the questions posted to him. He even chuckles and acts like this isnt a serious thing.

How about Gene Rosen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoh6HurUf4M

Too many inconsistencies with his story. In one interview he said he thought he heard sounds and thought it was hunters around hunting, in another interview he thought it was firecrackers. His story doesnt make any sense and the timeline also doesn't match up if you research more.

[n00bie]

This story has too many loopholes though..

Medical Examiner press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0OT5od9DA

Look at this guy. Does he look like a medical examiner to you? When asked what killed the children he cannot answer whether it was a handgun or rifle or whatever. All he can answer is repeated I dont knows to all the questions posted to him. He even chuckles and acts like this isnt a serious thing.

How about Gene Rosen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoh6HurUf4M

Too many inconsistencies with his story. In one interview he said he thought he heard sounds and thought it was hunters around hunting, in another interview he thought it was firecrackers. His story doesnt make any sense and the timeline also doesn't match up if you research more.

I can't believe we're back to this topic. :no:

[nathanjizzle]

I'm not desperate homeboy.

I have a legit premise:

An account that specifically states "RIP Soto" was created 4 days prior to her death.

Ignoring this premise means you are not operating on a logical set of reasoning, but rather just brushing off an argument because you are too dense to engage in it.

I am as rational as they come (who else uses the methods of logic as much as I do in this forum), so stick to the premise and prove me wrong.

pls. use ur logic and tell us why any group thats "really" behind these events would create a social media page prior to the event. what is the purpose of that?

[nathanjizzle]

on a gimmick facebook account i made along time ago. i changed the date of one of my post to go back 3 days.

before
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/364/screen1fia.png

after
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1654/screen2fy.png












logic my ass. youre the real sheep thats getting played by simple tricks.

[rezznor]

pls. use ur logic and tell us why any group thats "really" behind these events would create a social media page prior to the event. what is the purpose of that?
thank you. been wanting to say this myself. so a vast government conspiracy that orchestrated this mass murder of children and managed to keep it quiet (nearly impossible btw) screws up because they created a facebook page a few days earlier and tipped their hand. would they really be that incompetent..but the real question is exactly why would they do that in the first place?

[tgan3]

thank you. been wanting to say this myself. so a vast government conspiracy that orchestrated this mass murder of children and managed to keep it quiet (nearly impossible btw) screws up because they created a facebook page a few days earlier and tipped their hand. would they really be that incompetent..but the real question is exactly why would they do that in the first place?

No killings happened. It was all faked so that Obama can push gun control laws.

Makes total sense.

[JMT]

No killings happened. It was all faked so that Obama can push gun control laws.

Makes total sense.


Focking imbecile.

[tgan3]

Focking imbecile.

So you believe 100% what the media tells you? :applause:

Face the FACTS. The media is and has ALWAYS been a propaganda tool for the government to show what he wants to the public.

If you look at North Korea media it is always going to say North Korea is the best country in the world, how good the government is and Americans suck and live in poverty.

But what is the reality?? :facepalm

[macmac]

I wish someone would kill all these moronic conspiracy theorists and then claim that it never happened and that it's just a conspiracy theory.

What's that's Rambo? That huge hole in your head gushing blood and giving us a view of your limited brain matter is causing you immense pain and you're about to die? No man, that's just what they want you to think, man. The hole in your skull is just a government hoax

[rezznor]

No killings happened. It was all faked so that Obama can push gun control laws.

Makes total sense.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121215094947-13-newtown-1215-horizontal-gallery.jpg

http://stlouisreview.com/sites/default/files/article-images/70874/sandy_hook_grief.jpg


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1240092.1358208532!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-sandyhook3-0114.jpg



these must be some of the best actors in the world. also, they must have been planted into the community years in advance to pass any background check. and the kids they sent to school must have been androids from the future. makes total sense.

:facepalm

[tgan3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

How do you explain this? This parent whose daughter died just a day before walks into a press conference smiling and laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then goes into crying mode.

Dont you find it weird the very least?

And this kid in a show claimed that the sandy hook happenings that day was "A Drill" and there were policeman everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUw-OqfghA

We know children dont lie and you WON'T confuse a REAL SHOOTING with a DRILL.

At least refute these two points if you're trying to tell me that Sandy Hook was all what the media claimed to be. I do not know exactly 100% WHAT HAPPENED that day, but looking at the evidence it is clear that SOMETHING ELSE happened and does not entirely correlate with the official story.

[n00bie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

How do you explain this? This parent whose daughter died just a day before walks into a press conference smiling and laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then goes into crying mode.

Dont you find it weird the very least?

And this kid in a show claimed that the sandy hook happenings that day was "A Drill" and there were policeman everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUw-OqfghA

We know children dont lie and you WON'T confuse a REAL SHOOTING with a DRILL.

At least refute these two points if you're trying to tell me that Sandy Hook was all what the media claimed to be. I do not know exactly 100% WHAT HAPPENED that day, but looking at the evidence it is clear that SOMETHING ELSE happened and does not entirely correlate with the official story.

Seriously.. this thread is 4 months old. Have you even gone through the posts in this thread? Or the other Sandy Hook thread? We're going in circles here. Everything you posted have already been posted and discussed about.

You're a little late on this topic. Read through all the posts and then feel free to add anything new... but stop posting repetitive info.

[tgan3]

Also, bear in mind that the US Government has adminstered LSD into unknowing american citizens in the past just to study the effects and also there was a cold war plan to nuke the moon before.

These are not science fictions it is 100% REAL

Considering the above, it is not hard to imagine that the government would stage a mock shooting to gather support for stricter gun controls..

[tgan3]

Seriously.. this thread is 4 months old. Have you even gone through the posts in this thread? Or the other Sandy Hook thread? We're going in circles here. Everything you posted have already been posted and discussed about.

You're a little late on this topic. Read through all the posts and then feel free to add anything new... but stop posting repetitive info.

Sorry, I haven't read it, I will.

[nathanjizzle]

i shall bring logic and rational into your world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

How do you explain this? This parent whose daughter died just a day before walks into a press conference smiling and laughing and asking "Are we ready to start?" and then goes into crying mode.

Dont you find it weird the very least?

have you ever stood infront of a cameras and addressed an entire nation? knowing that everyone in the country is wanting to hear what you have to say? not a normal situation for that guy, so for you to expect him to act normal and then cry conspiracy is really irrational.


And this kid in a show claimed that the sandy hook happenings that day was "A Drill" and there were policeman everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUw-OqfghA

We know children dont lie and you WON'T confuse a REAL SHOOTING with a DRILL.

he didnt actually say that day it was a drill, he was going back to when they had a drill, clearly he has trouble speaking. but lets just say that thats what his statement is is that the day of the shooting it was a drill. Why would it be possible for all children evacuating the building be told that theres a gunmen shooting up there classmates? dont you think its normal for a teacher to understand the situation and trying to keep their students from being scared to tell them that its just a drill?

this is the last time i post in this thread. i cant keep presenting irrational people with rational logic. youre going to have to learn to think yourself.

[daily]

This story has too many loopholes though..



Reading your posts I think the only loophole we need to concern ourselves with is the one that allowed for your early release.

You're just another nut case running amok.

[iDunk]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhJiiPR4K405sEk3kA

Explain this

[Quizno]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhJiiPR4K405sEk3kA

Explain this
for real? are you being serious right now? :oldlol:

[JMT]

So you believe 100% what the media tells you?



No. But I do believe 100% that you're an imbecile.

There's an awful lot of space between "believing everything the media tells you" and the inane, poorly concocted story that you choose to believe.

[IamRAMBO24]

on a gimmick facebook account i made along time ago. i changed the date of one of my post to go back 3 days.

before
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/364/screen1fia.png

after
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1654/screen2fy.png












logic my ass. youre the real sheep thats getting played by simple tricks.

Yup.

Exactly. Like you imply, it's a gimmick.

Look I don't even believe this anymore; I only supported the conspiracy theorists because of how incredibly close minded you guys are. At least they are asking questions; you guys are acting like a bunch of drones straight out of North Korea. I don't even give a sh*t about whether or not it is a hoax; what is disconcerting to me is so many of you guys will close off your minds about anything that questions the validity of the media.

Idiots like you are the reason why we went into Iraq.

[chosen_one6]

Any validity to this?

http://i.imgur.com/FaOfBrM.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

Any validity to this?

http://i.imgur.com/FaOfBrM.jpg

Validity or not, either way you're "insensitive and an idiot" for even questioning. These media cultists aren't looking for common sense and reason; like a cult member protecting their God (in this case the media), anybody who questions the validity of what is being presented will be lashed out at.

This is why it's so fun trolling them; they get so mad and all emotional n sh*t, especially that daily dude, he pops a vein everytime he reads my post. Fundamentalism at its finest.

[chosen_one6]

Validity or not, either way you're "insensitive and an idiot" for even questioning. These media cultists aren't looking for common sense and reason; like a cult member protecting their God (in this case the media), anybody who questions the validity of what is being presented will be lashed out at.

This is why it's so fun trolling them; they get so mad and all emotional n sh*t, especially that daily dude, he pops a vein everytime he reads my post. Fundamentalism at its finest.

The person that posted it has taken it down now, so I'm guessing it was fake.

However, I do agree with you that it is ok to question these situations ESPECIALLY since the events on 9/11.

[DonDadda59]

Validity or not, either way you're "insensitive and an idiot" for even questioning. These media cultists aren't looking for common sense and reason; like a cult member protecting their God (in this case the media), anybody who questions the validity of what is being presented will be lashed out at.

This is why it's so fun trolling them; they get so mad and all emotional n sh*t, especially that daily dude, he pops a vein everytime he reads my post. Fundamentalism at its finest.

No one gets emotional reading your paranoid schizophrenic ramblings. At least I know I just laugh at the sheer stupidity. You're just the internet version of the crazy homeless guy on the street or subway :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

The person that posted it has taken it down now, so I'm guessing it was fake.

However, I do agree with you that it is ok to question these situations ESPECIALLY since the events on 9/11.

There is nothing wrong with questions since we can rely on evidences to prove or disprove a theory. A theory is just that, a theory, hence why we refer to it as a conspiracy theory.

There is something wrong when these media cult members discourage the act of questioning in the first place. Close mindedness is pure ignorance whether it is through religion, cult, or even the media.

[IamRAMBO24]

No one gets emotional reading your paranoid schizophrenic ramblings. At least I know I just laugh at the sheer stupidity. You're just the internet version of the crazy homeless guy on the street or subway :oldlol:

It's the close mindedness that irritates me: your assumption is that all conspiracies are wrong, which I disagree. Yes there are some nutty ones, and at the same time there are some that make a lot of sense: using ad hocs to discredit them at the outset is a fallacy, and it is this fallacy that is troubling to me because the assumption is that what is being reported is always true and unarguable.

The thing is if you don't question (which is the basis of all scientific inquiries), and you go as far as insulting these inquiries using ad hocs and straws, then how can you arrive at a further truth than what you are being told? Sure some might be absurd and far fetch, but that is what logic, evidence, and reason is for, and only by the act of questioning, you can use fundamental rules of logic to discern what is true or not.

As is, saying something can't possibly happen takes a very simply, low level mental set of processing, which is sometimes refer to as "ignorance."

That's my problem with you guys. You guys are just downright ignorant and it is embarrassing.

[DonDadda59]

It's the close mindedness that irritates me: your assumption is that all conspiracies are wrong, which I disagree. Yes there are some nutty ones, and at the same time there are some that make a lot of sense: using ad hocs to discredit them at the outset is a fallacy, and it is this fallacy that is troubling to me because the assumption is that what is being reported is always true and unarguable.

The thing is if you don't question (which is the basis of all scientific inquiries), and you go as far as insulting these inquiries using ad hocs and straws, then how can you arrive at a further truth than what you are being told? Sure some might be absurd and far fetch, but that is what logic, evidence, and reason is for, and only by the act of questioning, you can use fundamental rules of logic to discern what is true or not.

As is, saying something can't possibly happen takes a very simply, low level mental set of processing, which is sometimes refer to as "ignorance."

That's my problem with you guys. You guys are just downright ignorant and it is embarrassing.

Dawg, nothing you say regarding these matters has any basis in anything real or tangible. It only exists in yours and the minds of people who have programed themselves to immediately cry 'inside job!' whenever these tragedies occur. Then you cry about people listening to the media, as if believing the ramblings of random internet trolls who can't even answer basic logical and logistical questions is the better option :oldlol:

When you have any tangible, verifiable proof of any of the nonsensical conspiracies you concoct in your head or regurgitate from some other schizophrenics on youtube or twitter, then maybe people will have an easier time believing your bullshit. Until then, people will just laugh at your ramblings and dismiss them for what they are.

[tgan3]

No. But I do believe 100% that you're an imbecile.

There's an awful lot of space between "believing everything the media tells you" and the inane, poorly concocted story that you choose to believe.

So im more of an imbecile then the US Government who fed LSD to unknowing citizens aka PROJECT MKULTRA, planned to attack US cities in guise of it being terrorism aka OPERATION NORTHWOODS and also planned to nuke the moon aka PROJECT A119

Good Job law abiding citizen, you are well-informed! :applause:

[daily]

Validity or not, either way you're "insensitive and an idiot" for even questioning. These media cultists aren't looking for common sense and reason; like a cult member protecting their God (in this case the media), anybody who questions the validity of what is being presented will be lashed out at.

This is why it's so fun trolling them; they get so mad and all emotional n sh*t, especially that daily dude, he pops a vein everytime he reads my post. Fundamentalism at its finest.:roll: :roll: :roll:

You clearly don't know what a fundamentalist is

[IamRAMBO24]

Dawg, nothing you say regarding these matters has any basis in anything real or tangible. It only exists in yours and the minds of people who have programed themselves to immediately cry 'inside job!' whenever these tragedies occur. Then you cry about people listening to the media, as if believing the ramblings of random internet trolls who can't even answer basic logical and logistical questions is the better option :oldlol:

When you have any tangible, verifiable proof of any of the nonsensical conspiracies you concoct in your head or regurgitate from some other schizophrenics on youtube or twitter, then maybe people will have an easier time believing your bullshit. Until then, people will just laugh at your ramblings and dismiss them for what they are.

Oh really, again, more straws; I think it is pathetic you guys are outright insulting anybody who dares to question the media with the knowledge that the media has been lying (Iraq war) and the government has been known to carry out agendas that are not in the best interest of the american people.

This premise is true and concrete, but usually dispsh*ts like you are completely too indoctrinated to accept such premises without pouting like a little child using fallacies that does not pertain to any sort of discourse.

For example: appeal to emotions

Time and time again I keep on hearing some whining idiot say something along the lines of, "How can you say such a conspiracy, think about the victims." First of all, do you think someone from Sandy Hook is going to go on this page, read the forums, and actually get emotionally distress over what's being said on ISH? Get the f*ck out of here. Second of all, these conspiracies aren't even attacking the victims; if it's anything, they're only asking questions because they believe there is more to the story than what is being reported, and you know what, I'm sure those Sandy Hook victims would love to hear the whole thing too if there is another side.

Ad hocs:

Anytime anyone questions the validity of the media, you media nutjobs would throw out insults and demean the person with the inquiry. Any rational person would just ignore him, but you guys are just like a bunch of angry thugs getting all butt hurt and emotional over all of this. It's pathetic man, and really, this is exactly how people who are closed minded usually operates: they don't listen, their first response is to attack. Look at all the fundamnetalist christians and cults; you're just acting like them.

If you don't believe him and truly think he is crazy, then f*ckin ignore him; why do you feel the need to throw around insults as if he raped your mom or something. Being butt hurt makes me wonder if you truly believe him but can't accept it (since you are a media wh*re afterall), hence you feel the need to lash out like an insecure little girl.

[bagelred]

No one gets emotional reading your paranoid schizophrenic ramblings. At least I know I just laugh at the sheer stupidity. You're just the internet version of the crazy homeless guy on the street or subway :oldlol:

:oldlol: I love how you think if you just call someone names, it somehow makes you right...when you couldn't be more wrong. I tip my hat to you, sir. :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

...

You sure took a long time and wasted a lot of letters to say absolutely nothing. Either put up or shut the f**k up about it. I could say that Lord Xenu and his galactic federation working in conjunction with the Space Jam monsters and Marvin the Martian acting as a private consultant were responsible for all of the recent domestic terrorist acts. It would be just as valid as any farfetched conspiracy theory you've come up with. There's just as much 'evidence' to support it.

Either show us something tangible or sit the hell down. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

[daily]

Oh really, again, more straws; I think it is pathetic you guys are outright insulting anybody who dares to question the media with the knowledge that the media has been lying (Iraq war) and the government has been known to carry out agendas that are not in the best interest of the american people.

This premise is true and concrete, but usually dispsh*ts like you are completely too indoctrinated to accept such premises without pouting like a little child using fallacies that does not pertain to any sort of discourse.

For example: appeal to emotions

Time and time again I keep on hearing some whining idiot say something along the lines of, "How can you say such a conspiracy, think about the victims." First of all, do you think someone from Sandy Hook is going to go on this page, read the forums, and actually get emotionally distress over what's being said on ISH? Get the f*ck out of here. Second of all, these conspiracies aren't even attacking the victims; if it's anything, they're only asking questions because they believe there is more to the story than what is being reported, and you know what, I'm sure those Sandy Hook victims would love to hear the whole thing too if there is another side.

Ad hocs:

Anytime anyone questions the validity of the media, you media nutjobs would throw out insults and demean the person with the inquiry. Any rational person would just ignore him, but you guys are just like a bunch of angry thugs getting all butt hurt and emotional over all of this. It's pathetic man, and really, this is exactly how people who are closed minded usually operates: they don't listen, their first response is to attack. Look at all the fundamnetalist christians and cults; you're just acting like them.

If you don't believe him and truly think he is crazy, then f*ckin ignore him; why do you feel the need to throw around insults as if he raped your mom or something. Being butt hurt makes me wonder if you truly believe him but can't accept it (since you are a media wh*re afterall), hence you feel the need to lash out like an insecure little girl.
:roll:

Who's pouting? Who's butthurt? Who's lashing out like a little girl?

Look at you acting like a petulant child stamping your feet in public because people won't crawl down the rabbit hole into fantasy land with you.

We all know the media screws stuff up, we know that the government plays fast and loose with the public but that doesn't mean everytime we have a tragedy that happens it's a government sponsored act to accomplish some bizarre over complicated means to an end. I'm sorry but I read your posts and I think you're off your rocker.

From 911 to Sandy Hook I have never seen one conspiratorial answer the most basic of questions. WHY? why why why why why.
You have plenty of wild theories to how, what and when but you can never answer why it was done.

The fact is the stuff the government does you'll never know about. They don't need bombs and mass murders to achieve their goals.

[niko]

If you are claiming conspiracy you need a motive. These conspiracies never have clear motives nor clear results. What's the point? I know this isn't a court of law but all you ever show are inconsistencies. If you give me a clear motive and result it would make much more sense to me and i'd listen more.

We haven't gotten better gun control, or worse, it's pretty much the same fight as always. We haven't had liberties restricted, and no one has been scared really into changing anything. What is the result?

[DonDadda59]

:oldlol: I love how you think if you just call someone names, it somehow makes you right...when you couldn't be more wrong. I tip my hat to you, sir. :cheers:

And I love how you tell terrible jokes that no one has ever found funny, ever. The funniest thing you've ever written on ISH is your stupid conspiracy theories.

Like I told your accomplice above. Either put up or shut the f*ck up.

[IamRAMBO24]

:wtf:
:roll:

Who's pouting? Who's butthurt? Who's lashing out like a little girl?

Look at you acting like a petulant child stamping your feet in public because people won't crawl down the rabbit hole into fantasy land with you.

We all know the media screws stuff up, we know that the government plays fast and loose with the public but that doesn't mean everytime we have a tragedy that happens it's a government sponsored act to accomplish some bizarre over complicated means to an end. I'm sorry but I read your posts and I think you're off your rocker.

From 911 to Sandy Hook I have never seen one conspiratorial answer the most basic of questions. WHY? why why why why why.
You have plenty of wild theories to how, what and when but you can never answer why it was done.

The fact is the stuff the government does you'll never know about. They don't need bombs and mass murders to achieve their goals.

I just love how you contradicted yourself by saying there are things you can never know about the government and then you go on and say there has to be a known motive for there to be a conspiracy. No it doesn't dumbsh*t. A conspiracy theory is just that, a theory. It is not a claim; it is a theory. Period. I don't see anything wrong with asking questions especially when (like you have admitted) both the media and the government have been known to mislead (at best) and lied (at worse) to the public. Nice way of putting your foot up your ass and tying your colon around your head.

What I don't understand is why do you guys get all butt hurt over conspiracies? It's just so funny seeing some of you guys get all emotional n sh*t. I don't have a problem with conspiracies (I actually believe in a few) and like any rational human being, when someone says something truly out there, I just ignore them and brush them off. I don't feel the need (or insecure motive) to lash out like a baby.

So why do it? Anger is an insecurity; a confident man would not get angry over something he knows he can overcome (hence the reason why I get so much hate in here btw).

Explain.

[IamRAMBO24]

I would also like to add the act of questioning will lead to the act of reasoning: this is the realm where you will use logic, observation, induction, reason, and evidence to arrive at a conclusion that you normally would not arrive at if you simply accept everything being told.

Sure most conspiracies are complete bullsh*t, but the act of questioning and arriving at your own conclusion base on a set of reasoning is much better than closing your mind off and acting like a complete dunce (for those who are slow, yes, I'm actually calling you stupid).

[JMT]

There is nothing wrong with questions since we can rely on evidences to prove or disprove a theory. A theory is just that, a theory, hence why we refer to it as a conspiracy theory.

There is something wrong when these media cult members discourage the act of questioning in the first place. Close mindedness is pure ignorance whether it is through religion, cult, or even the media.

The issue is that people who set out to look for conspiracies are just as closed minded as the people you're railing against. They intentionally ignore common sense and reasonable facts in favor of broad reaching theories and supposition. They only want to find what they want to find.

Questioning is a great thing, in all aspects of life. But when the questions are reduced to such inanity, they lose any validity. If I show you an ant and you say "I'm not so sure that's an ant. It might be an elephant", you're not questioning. You're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, or desperately seeking attention you're unable to get any other way.

[rezznor]

The issue is that people who set out to look for conspiracies are just as closed minded as the people you're railing against. They intentionally ignore common sense and reasonable facts in favor of broad reaching theories and supposition. They only want to find what they want to find.

Questioning is a great thing, in all aspects of life. But when the questions are reduced to such inanity, they lose any validity. If I show you an ant and you say "I'm not so sure that's an ant. It might be an elephant", you're not questioning. You're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, or desperately seeking attention you're unable to get any other way.


pretty much this. ^^^

most of these conspiracies are so inane that we disregard them.
sandy hook was staged? ok, why?

the parents were all actors? do you know how hard it would be to keep something like this a secret?

the kids didn't really die? are you ****ing kidding me?

THIS is why we ridicule you conspiracy theorists, it's because the alternatives you offer up are ridiculous and contain no reasonable motive. give us a viable alternative and of course we would consider it. you idiots are always looking for something sinister and when you cannot find it, you grasp at straws and come up with ridiculous, convoluted scenarios to fit your narrative. you are the close minded ones, not us.

[bagelred]

And I love how you tell terrible jokes that no one has ever found funny, ever. The funniest thing you've ever written on ISH is your stupid conspiracy theories.

Like I told your accomplice above. Either put up or shut the f*ck up.

:oldlol: It's all put up. It's all out there for you to look up. You aren't openminded enough to even think of researching it. So don't bother. Keep callling people names though. :cheers:

[aj1987]

Wow! The Rambo dude is like silk, genghis, ripthekik, kennethgriffin and clippersfan86 all rolled into one and on steroids.

[daily]

:wtf:



What I don't understand is why do you guys get all butt hurt over conspiracies? It's just so funny seeing some of you guys get all emotional n sh*t. I don't have a problem with conspiracies (I actually believe in a few) and like any rational human being, when someone says something truly out there, I just ignore them and brush them off. I don't feel the need (or insecure motive) to lash out like a baby.

So why do it? Anger is an insecurity; a confident man would not get angry over something he knows he can overcome (hence the reason why I get so much hate in here btw).

Explain.You crack me up

Just because somebody thinks the conspiracies you promote are for idjits doesn't mean they're mad or butthurt. :lol Just because I think you're a moron for the most part doesn't mean I'm mad, it just means I think your views are incredibly stupid

Maybe you've transposed your emotions onto to somebody else. You're mad that nobody buys into the crap your selling so that means they must be mad at you and that's just not true.

I'm sorry but the thoughts you've posted concerning Sandy Hook are stupid, irrational and insensitive.

[JMT]

:It's all out there for you to look up.


So are pages and pages and pages "proving" Paul McCartney died in 1966, the moon landing was staged, Kennedy's brain still lives (unless you'd rather the ones that attest he's not dead), Elvis was seen at a gas station in Montana, etc.

And the staging of any one of these would be NOTHING in comparison to having an entire town ala The Truman Show in on an event that's not going to take place for years in the future.

[IamRAMBO24]

So are pages and pages and pages "proving" Paul McCartney died in 1966, the moon landing was staged, Kennedy's brain still lives (unless you'd rather the ones that attest he's not dead), Elvis was seen at a gas station in Montana, etc.

And the staging of any one of these would be NOTHING in comparison to having an entire town ala The Truman Show in on an event that's not going to take place for years in the future.

I just love how you control your ad hocs and define conspiracy theorists as "nuts" who scream random bullsh*t running down the street. There are doctors, harvard graduates, NASA employees, government officials, police officers, teachers, etc. who have engaged in conspiracy theories in one form or another.

Nobody is talking about how Kennedy's brain is still living. Get the f*ck out of here. You can't be honest with your definitions, so how can you be honest with any discussion?

[IamRAMBO24]

pretty much this. ^^^

most of these conspiracies are so inane that we disregard them.
sandy hook was staged? ok, why?

the parents were all actors? do you know how hard it would be to keep something like this a secret?

the kids didn't really die? are you ****ing kidding me?

THIS is why we ridicule you conspiracy theorists, it's because the alternatives you offer up are ridiculous and contain no reasonable motive. give us a viable alternative and of course we would consider it. you idiots are always looking for something sinister and when you cannot find it, you grasp at straws and come up with ridiculous, convoluted scenarios to fit your narrative. you are the close minded ones, not us.

Your definition of "inane" is probably referring to anything that is not the official word of the government or media.

My definition of inane is anything that does not come from reason, evidence, logic, and just pure common sense.

We will arrive at different conclusions. Where you think I am inane for arriving at my conclusion because I devise a different method, I think you are a dunce for relying on a authoritarian figure to tell you how to think.

To each their own. Not all of us think like an 8 year old.

[JMT]

I just love how you control your ad hocs and define conspiracy theorists as "nuts" who scream random bullsh*t running down the street. There are doctors, harvard graduates, NASA employees, government officials, police officers, teachers, etc. who have engaged in conspiracy theories in one form or another.

Nobody is talking about how Kennedy's brain is still living. Get the f*ck out of here. You can't be honest with your definitions, so how can you be honest with any discussion?


Didn't say the word "nuts", yet you attribute it to me with quotes.

You can't even quote a post without manipulating it's content to fit your agenda.

I'm sure there are people of all sorts that subscribe to conspiracy theories. Just as I don't accept everything the media tells me as truth, neither do I assume that having a high level job or education necessarily means you have any common sense.

http://kennedysurvived.webs.com/ is just one of many sites devoted to those that believe his death was faked. By claiming "nobody" is talking about this, you automatically dismiss a group of people that disagree with you It also makes you dishonest.

[Jackass18]

At least they are asking questions; you guys are acting like a bunch of drones straight out of North Korea. I don't even give a sh*t about whether or not it is a hoax; what is disconcerting to me is so many of you guys will close off your minds about anything that questions the validity of the media.

You're full of shit. People have no problems questioning the validity of the media when there's a reason to. There might have been some peculiar things here and there, but none of it added up to some major conspiracy. When a horseshit conspiracy theory that's full of holes is presented, then is it close-mindedness when it's debunked or is it just people reacting with a rational mind? If you don't think that people deliberately make things up to help fuel these type of things then you're naive. Some of the things are just people misinterpreting something, but if I don't buy into that same misinterpretation, then I'm close-minded? There's being open-minded and then there's being open-minded to the point of naivety.

Funny how questioning the media = open-mindedness while questioning conspiracy theorists = close-mindedness. Somehow you think only the media could possibly have an agenda? Seriously? It's nice how your confirmation bias works. You don't even take into consideration that people looked into the claims of the conspiracy theorists. Just because people didn't buy into them doesn't mean they never questioned anything. Then again, explaining anything to you is like explaining something to a brick wall. But whatever, keep on with your silly, nonsensical ramblings about open- and close-mindedness.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're full of shit. People have no problems questioning the validity of the media when there's a reason to. There might have been some peculiar things here and there, but none of it added up to some major conspiracy. When a horseshit conspiracy theory that's full of holes is presented, then is it close-mindedness when it's debunked or is it just people reacting with a rational mind? If you don't think that people deliberately make things up to help fuel these type of things then you're naive. Some of the things are just people misinterpreting something, but if I don't buy into that same misinterpretation, then I'm close-minded? There's being open-minded and then there's being open-minded to the point of naivety.

Funny how questioning the media = open-mindedness while questioning conspiracy theorists = close-mindedness. Somehow you think only the media could possibly have an agenda? Seriously? It's nice how your confirmation bias works. You don't even take into consideration that people looked into the claims of the conspiracy theorists. Just because people didn't buy into them doesn't mean they never questioned anything. Then again, explaining anything to you is like explaining something to a brick wall. But whatever, keep on with your silly, nonsensical ramblings about open- and close-mindedness.

You know what, I agree with you guys; some of the crap these guys talk about is just out there. I'm just really defending the ufo guys (aliens woohoo!) and for the most part I do believe there needs to be an investigation in building 7. As for Sandy Hook, I was trolling just to piss some of you guys off since some of you were getting all butthurt n stuff.

You're right, I would say most conspiracies are just pure rubbish, and it is harder and harder to question the validity of the media when we have these goons running around talking about JFK's living brain.

Regardless, with all the misinformation and political agenda coming out of the media and the government's incessant need to lie to push a war on the american people, I think conspiracy theories are their own making. It's hard to view the media as objective nowadays and it's hard to believe the government is forthcoming when they are dealing with the american public. The whole country is in a state of confusion and everyday it is harder to discern what is true or not.

[tgan3]

You're full of shit. People have no problems questioning the validity of the media when there's a reason to. There might have been some peculiar things here and there, but none of it added up to some major conspiracy. When a horseshit conspiracy theory that's full of holes is presented, then is it close-mindedness when it's debunked or is it just people reacting with a rational mind? If you don't think that people deliberately make things up to help fuel these type of things then you're naive. Some of the things are just people misinterpreting something, but if I don't buy into that same misinterpretation, then I'm close-minded? There's being open-minded and then there's being open-minded to the point of naivety.

Funny how questioning the media = open-mindedness while questioning conspiracy theorists = close-mindedness. Somehow you think only the media could possibly have an agenda? Seriously? It's nice how your confirmation bias works. You don't even take into consideration that people looked into the claims of the conspiracy theorists. Just because people didn't buy into them doesn't mean they never questioned anything. Then again, explaining anything to you is like explaining something to a brick wall. But whatever, keep on with your silly, nonsensical ramblings about open- and close-mindedness.

Conspiracy theories aren't based on thin air. Of course, there were some (if not many discrepancies) in the Sandy Hook killings for people to start questioning the validity of the official story.

I didn't believe the conspiracy theories on Sandy Hook being staged at first, but looking at the inconsistencies of the witnesses' stories (Gene Rosen in particular), who twist and turn the story to the point that you think he is trying to rehearse a movie plot.

There was also the helicopter news camera view capturing footage of Gene Rosen near the firehouse at 10:45am when his story was that he was with 6 children in his house till NOON before a quote on quote "stone-faced parent" came to pick up her child.

All the while, he never thought of calling 911. Weird! Anyway the helicopter footage of him at 10:45 am (Where supposedly he was in his house with 6 children was the smoking gun)

:biggums:

Just watch this video and it explains this whole thing (Watch it first, before you dismiss me as being a nutcase and insensitve prick! Then make your own judgement!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_651963&feature=iv&src_vid=mvTAlehZxqg&v=fCGfsftTq8w

You can't make smoke without fire.

[DonDadda59]

You can't make smoke without fire.

Smoke machine brah

[Jackass18]

I didn't believe the conspiracy theories on Sandy Hook being staged at first, but looking at the inconsistencies of the witnesses' stories (Gene Rosen in particular), who twist and turn the story to the point that you think he is trying to rehearse a movie plot.

People get confused during hectic situations. Hell, people get confused even in normal situations. I know I've gotten small stories wrong and it wasn't something close to as big as that. I misremembered some things and remembered how it went down correctly later on. Memory is pretty damn flawed.


I didn't believe the conspiracy theories on Sandy Hook being staged at first, but looking at the inconsistencies of the witnesses' stories (Gene Rosen in particular), who twist and turn the story to the point that you think he is trying to rehearse a movie plot.

There was also the helicopter news camera view capturing footage of Gene Rosen near the firehouse at 10:45am when his story was that he was with 6 children in his house till NOON before a quote on quote "stone-faced parent" came to pick up her child.

All the while, he never thought of calling 911. Weird! Anyway the helicopter footage of him at 10:45 am (Where supposedly he was in his house with 6 children was the smoking gun)



Just watch this video and it explains this whole thing (Watch it first, before you dismiss me as being a nutcase and insensitve prick! Then make your own judgement!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=fCGfsftTq8w
Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=8460218#iEevRteKQrBYq9Uo.99

The guy lives next door to the firehouse. I'm too tired to look into it deeper, but with a quick search: "Parents of four of the six children were reached and learned their children were safe. They rushed to Rosen's house, he said.
After reuniting the children with their parents, the group walked to the firehouse next door, where students were being accounted for.
"I know there was a room full of parents in that firehouse whose children had perished," Rosen said, as he began to cry again. "Someone had to tell them they were gone."
When he returned home, a weary Rosen sat on the couch, when a knock came on the front door.
"There was a woman," he said. "Her face was frozen in fear. She heard there were six children in the home and was hoping her son was among them."

[JMT]

You know what, I agree with you guys; some of the crap these guys talk about is just out there. I'm just really defending the ufo guys (aliens woohoo!) and for the most part I do believe there needs to be an investigation in building 7. As for Sandy Hook, I was trolling just to piss some of you guys off since some of you were getting all butthurt n stuff.



I've seen people ask if there are any NBA players on ISH. I don't know about that, but it appears we have a pro football player.

Only an NFL corner could backpedal this quickly.

[IamRAMBO24]

I've seen people ask if there are any NBA players on ISH. I don't know about that, but it appears we have a pro football player.

Only an NFL corner could backpedal this quickly.

Y'know 9 out of 10 times when someone has a counter argument I'm thinking to myself, "Damn this is dumb as f*ck," but once in a blue moon someone can elaborate their point with a line of reasoning with no fallacies and full of logic, I'm willing to change my position.

I don't have this neurotic egotistical persona where I pout like an 8 year old clinging on dear life to a position I know is wrong. *cough* niko *cough*

I'll give credit where it is due: Jackass (a guy who sure lives up to his name), had a once in a lifetime brain fart and spitted out a rational argument that's hard to argue.

[n00bie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJLIqdFRHg0

Sandy Hook is a farce

Wow, 2 hr long documentary.

They just passed the bill yesterday making it illegal to release the pictures & records from the Sandy Hook incident.

http://blog.ctnews.com/dixon/2013/06/05/early-morning-lightning-senate-house-approve-sandy-hookfoia-bill-is-45-minutes/

Conspiracy or not, we will never know. :coleman:

[JtotheIzzo]

What exactly is the point of this conspiracy? What were the conspirators conspiring for or against? dead children?

[ItsMillerTime]

They just passed the bill yesterday making it illegal to release the pictures & records from the Sandy Hook incident.

http://blog.ctnews.com/dixon/2013/06/05/early-morning-lightning-senate-house-approve-sandy-hookfoia-bill-is-45-minutes/

Conspiracy or not, we will never know. :coleman:

What is the point of this unless they are trying to cover something up? Not trying to troll, this is a legitimate question.

[n00bie]

What is the point of this unless they are trying to cover something up? Not trying to troll, this is a legitimate question.

I'm guessing their excuse is to "respect the victims' families". No one wants pictures of their kids' bloody bodies plastered all over internet blogs.

However, I don't understand why they can't release censored photos or videos of the school? Maybe just show a clip of Adam Lazna actually walking around or breaking into the school? I don't understand why that's so hard to release.

If they just release that, all the conspiracies would stop.

But this does make you wonder if these pictures or videos of the crime scene really existed. Either way, we will never know!