ESPN Spin On Lance Armstrong Cheating - "He's like Robin Hood".

[niko]

Essentially ESPN has decided that Lance Armstrong did what he did in order to benefit mankind, he didn't cheat for himself, to win, for the fame and the money and the hot women, he cheated specifically to make his cancer charity (which provides money for eduction btw, not research. What does that mean exactly). Lance is a modern day robin hood. Everything he did was to cure cancer. NEver for himself.

I'm both impressed and horrified by this spin. If it becomes a mainstream story i'll be both even more.

[-p.tiddy-]

I haven't seen the Oprah thing yet

is this the same "spin" that Lance himself is claiming?




you know, if his little escapade did result in $millions toward cancer research then I guess I am glad it happened...I really don't care about the Tour de France and who wins

in fact, I can't even name another person who has won it other than Lance...

[sunsfan1357]

I haven't seen the Oprah thing yet

is this the same "spin" that Lance himself is claiming?




you know, if his little escapade did result in $millions toward cancer research then I guess I am glad it happened...I really don't care about the Tour de France and who wins

in fact, I can't even name another person who has won it other than Lance...
Probably because they've all been busted for doping and don't really have a winner :lol

[Is He Ill]

Essentially ESPN has decided that Lance Armstrong did what he did in order to benefit mankind, he didn't cheat for himself, to win, for the fame and the money and the hot women, he cheated specifically to make his cancer charity (which provides money for eduction btw, not research. What does that mean exactly). Lance is a modern day robin hood. Everything he did was to cure cancer. NEver for himself.

I'm both impressed and horrified by this spin. If it becomes a mainstream story i'll be both even more.

That's a bit misleading. Currently yes, but they used to provide money for research and so did Lance.

[Real Men Wear Green]

When discussed on First Take Champion asked if he could be called that but Bayless and Smith both disagreed. I'm not sure ESPN is behind him.

[niko]

When discussed on First Take Champion asked if he could be called that but Bayless and Smith both disagreed. I'm not sure ESPN is behind him.
This is true, there is not real unified ESPN spin per se (not like LEBRON IS GOD) or anything. I've heard this brought up as a discussion point though on more than one show today. It's a ludicrous notion to me.

[Derka]

F*ck Lance Armstrong directly in his mouth.

F*ck ESPN if they're helping this fart stain spin his bullshit.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is true, there is not real unified ESPN spin per se (not like LEBRON IS GOD) or anything. I've heard this brought up as a discussion point though on more than one show today. It's a ludicrous notion to me.
They probably just want to ride the controversy to ratings. He's lied too many times, too aggressively and attacked too many people based on his lies to rehabilitate his image with the general public and the ESPN reporters are some of the main people he's lied to. Some of them have to be carrying a grudge. ESPN doesn't need his good will while he does need theirs so they don't have to be nice.

[kentatm]

he cheated in a sport where cheating via blood doping has been rampant since the 19teens? IDGAF.

He did lots of good for cancer research and thats the only real thing that matters.

[Derka]

he cheated in a sport where cheating via blood doping has been rampant since the 19teens? IDGAF.

He did lots of good for cancer research and thats the only real thing that matters.

Of course.

The hundreds of lives he destroyed by perpetrating his lie via bullying tactics, physical and verbal threats, protracted lawsuits and the like...no big deal at all. People's careers destroyed, their livelihoods ended, their families financially ruined...whatevs, he got cancer some money and is himself sitting on more money than he'll ever spend so no big whup!

[D-Rose]

he cheated in a sport where cheating via blood doping has been rampant since the 19teens? IDGAF.

He did lots of good for cancer research and thats the only real thing that matters.
What about the fact that he didn't even deny the allegations but took an attitude of "how dare you question me, how could you even suggest such a thing?" and not mention...his victory speech after winning the 7th.. looking back now is a sure face palm.

[-p.tiddy-]

Of course.

The hundreds of lives he destroyed by perpetrating his lie via bullying tactics, physical and verbal threats, protracted lawsuits and the like...no big deal at all. People's careers destroyed, their livelihoods ended, their families financially ruined...whatevs, he got cancer some money and is himself sitting on more money than he'll ever spend so no big whup!
hundreds of lives he destroyed?

come on...


cancer research >>>>>>>>>>

[kentatm]

Of course.

The hundreds of lives he destroyed by perpetrating his lie via bullying tactics, physical and verbal threats, protracted lawsuits and the like...no big deal at all. People's careers destroyed, their livelihoods ended, their families financially ruined...whatevs, he got cancer some money and is himself sitting on more money than he'll ever spend so no big whup!

:lol hundreds of lives my ass dude


What about the fact that he didn't even deny the allegations but took an attitude of "how dare you question me, how could you even suggest such a thing?" and not mention...his victory speech after winning the 7th.. looking back now is a sure face palm.


I don't care about corrupt people in a corrupt sport.

Just how I don't care that baseball and NFL players use roids. People have been cheating with blood doping since the early 1900s.

[Derka]

hundreds of lives he destroyed?

come on...


cancer research >>>>>>>>>>

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.

[-p.tiddy-]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.
you're comparing cheating in sports to child rape :facepalm

wtf...get a grip on what is important and what isn't

[Is He Ill]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.

Those two situations aren't even remotely similar. Seriously?

[kentatm]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.


:biggums:

you just compared blood doping to raping kids?

WTF is wrong with you?

[Real Men Wear Green]

he cheated in a sport where cheating via blood doping has been rampant since the 19teens? IDGAF.

He did lots of good for cancer research and thats the only real thing that matters.
How much good did he do? (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all)

Not to say he did nothing for cancer research but the more I learn about Armstrong in general the worse he seems. Case in point: Bribery. (http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-20/sports/34585424_1_sca-promotions-bonus-cyclist) There are, have been, and will be bigger villains in sports, he may not even be that bad of a guy. But when you soak yourself in lies and deceit like he did, drowning in cover-ups of cover-ups of cover-ups it has to warp you.

[Derka]

:lol hundreds of lives my ass dude

Do your homework or stay ignorant. As some who has lost family members to cancer, I hope Lance Armstrong gets run over by a f*cking Abrams as soon as possible.

[kentatm]

Do your homework or stay ignorant. As some who has lost family members to cancer, I hope Lance Armstrong gets run over by a f*cking Abrams as soon as possible.

:rolleyes:

as if you're the only one whose family has been touched by cancer

GTFO with your bleeding heart bullshit

especially after you tried to compare blood doping to child rape.

[Riddler]

IDGAF.


I just want to see this Oprah interview and I'll be back to not giving a f*ck too.

[Derka]

you're comparing cheating in sports to child rape :facepalm

wtf...get a grip on what is important and what isn't

I didn't. At all. But you and the others who seem to think I did are too dull to grasp it cos OMG CANCER RESEARCH, so whatever.

Lance Armstrong is not a scum bag because he cheated in sports. He's a vile and detestable human being because he ruined innocent people's live in defense of a lie. What's worse, he used the act of charity as a pretext to do naught but inflate an already massive ego and continue perpetuating said lie.

Literally nothing he's done here is forgivable, the very least of which is cheating in sports.

[daily]

Armstrong cheated in sport where cheating is rampant and run by corrupt officials. You think Armstrong mysteriously passed hundreds of tests because he was that much better at hiding it than others? How often have the riders actually been nabbed while actually cheating vs the ones that are found to have cheated after the fact. Most of the riders called out have been called out by whistle blowers not by the organizers of the events themselves. Not all mind you but most.

As for destroying lives I don't think Armstrong took down anyone that wasn't bent on taking him down first.

Did he do good with Llivestrong? you bet he has, does it condone cheating? I don't know, I think that's a moral values thing depending on each person own life rules.

I'm not a real big "ban em all" person when it comes to performance enhancement. I think in a lot of cases it's would be better to allow it on limited basis than to continue fighting for a system that the high end participants can and do exploit while low end athletes watch from afar because they don't have the financial resources nor the notoriety to partake

[-p.tiddy-]

I didn't. At all. But you and the others who seem to think I did are too dull to grasp it cos OMG CANCER RESEARCH, so whatever.

Lance Armstrong is not a scum bag because he cheated in sports. He's a vile and detestable human being because he ruined innocent people's live in defense of a lie. What's worse, he used the act of charity as a pretext to do naught but inflate an already massive ego and continue perpetuating said lie.

Literally nothing he's done here is forgivable, the very least of which is cheating in sports.
firsdt of all you DID compare him to Sandusky so "yes you did"

second, could you please explain how he "ruined hundreds of lives" :confusedshrug:

[kNIOKAS]

So far the two sides are easy to describe.

Camp A: Lance Armstrong won dirty in a dirty sport, therefore he is the champion nevertheless. He brought a lot to the cancer research, and that is a great achievement for a person.

Camp B: Lance Armstrong lied and dealt with everybody that tried to confront him, he did that because of his ego, he has behaved the opposite of a hero and has to be punished for hoarding the credit unrightfully.

Camp A focuses on what he has done, physically, and Camp B on what he is, as a person. Juristically, I think Camp A is right, because the motives are not to be judged. Ethically, Camp B is right.

I don't know, but I really do think the decisive position on this should be achieved and stated. Cannot leave such a public story hang.

[IGOTGAME]

I'm shocked how people can try to spin this. No amount good, incidentally done, makes up for the lack of character he has shown.

[Patrick Chewing]

Anyone who can beat cancer is a champion in my book. I don't care about his titles or the fact that he used enhancers.

[daily]

I'm shocked how people can try to spin this. No amount good, incidentally done, makes up for the lack of character he has shown.
It's easy, watch

Did his winning the Tour have a direct effect on my life or someone I know? for me the answer is no

Did his cheating have a direct effect on my life or someone I know? once again no

Did his lack of character in dealing with the above have an effect on my life or someone I know? no

Does his cancer awareness and money raised for research have a direct effect? Maybe someday it will

[IGOTGAME]

It's easy, watch

Did his winning the Tour have a direct effect on my life or someone I know? for me the answer is no

Did his cheating have a direct effect on my life or someone I know? once again no

Did his lack of character in dealing with the above have an effect on my life or someone I know? no

Does his cancer awareness and money raised for research have a direct effect? Maybe someday it will
I'm happy you view on morality is so self-centered and short sighted.

[Whoah10115]

Not to compare everything, but he did not compare cheating to rape.


What he said is that he was an asshole who attacked other people, even someone who, under oath, testified to what turns out to be the truth. He attacked other people to perpetuate a lie that he's suddenly turning back on.


**** this guy. And stop accusing someone of comparing cheating to rape, when that is clearly not what he did...and it's clear for anyone who knows how to read.

[gigantes]

Essentially ESPN has decided that Lance Armstrong did what he did in order to benefit mankind, he didn't cheat for himself, to win, for the fame and the money and the hot women, he cheated specifically to make his cancer charity (which provides money for eduction btw, not research. What does that mean exactly). Lance is a modern day robin hood. Everything he did was to cure cancer. NEver for himself.

I'm both impressed and horrified by this spin. If it becomes a mainstream story i'll be both even more.
and are you going to be responsible for creating every fukcing thread on ISH regarding lance armstrong from here on out?

i mean, so you just created a 'lance armstrong thread on oprah' a day or two ago... now you're apparently not thrilled how its been going and so its time for ANOTHER NEW THREAD to start over with your own original confirmation bias completely intact?

really?

and this is swaying HOW MANY of the people who originally disagreed with you how, exactly?

please do enlighten me, sir...

[Jello]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.
If you are comparing those boys to the "ruined" lives of Armstrong's detractors, then you are way off base. I'm not buying it that his detractors were of noble intentions. They were in a sport with a systemic prisoner's dilemma to be the best. They were a part of an already dirty sport and they were calling out the best doper because he was on top. It is bullshit to sit there and think you wouldn't lash out at people attacking your own livelihood, especially when they are also eating the forbidden fruit to gain success.

[Is He Ill]

I am more than capable of understanding why many people would rightfully dislike the guy after going out of his way of denying his PED use. That being said, I don't seem to understand why some people are choosing to paint him as some f*cking monster. "Shot at next sunrise." Really? :facepalm

[tpols]

LOL at giving Lance a free pass because he ran a charity.

Reminds me of the wealthy Romans bribing church officials to get into heaven. Here's some money I'm a good person now right?

:facepalm

[tpols]

And you guys know the reason Lance waited til now to confess is the statue of limitations period has passed for his lawsuits against various media outlets that claimed he was doping. If he were to have admitted it a year ago they could've sued him for suing them.

[kNicKz]

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/33398787.jpg

[Timmy D for MVP]

ESPN, and everyone else really, seems to be getting at him. Idk what you were looking at Niko but they are constantly making him look like an arrogant fool.

And really it fits.

I wonder, I haven't followed Armstrong really because cycling is so far from my peripheral until someone says: "An American won the Tour de France" but was Lance generally liked by the media? Like was he a difficult guy with them, or did most the media like him?

[gigantes]

And you guys know the reason Lance waited til now to confess is the statue of limitations period has passed for his lawsuits against various media outlets that claimed he was doping. If he were to have admitted it a year ago they could've sued him for suing them.
wow... i've always wanted to see the fabled statue of limitations. that's awesome, dude!


http://dreamcatchersforabusedchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Statue_of_Limitations.jpg

[tpols]

wow... i've always wanted to see the fabled statue of limitations. that's awesome, dude!


http://dreamcatchersforabusedchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Statue_of_Limitations.jpg
statute.:D

[East_Stone_Ya]

why the **** are some of you even defending Armstrong??? tha **** is wrong is you?? he is a cheater and liar deserves to be thrown in jail or hanged:rant

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Anyone who can beat cancer is a champion in my book. I don't care about his titles or the fact that he used enhancers.

:rolleyes: the beating of cancer doesn't come down to how good of a person you are. Does anyone who dies of cancer become a loser?

[dunksby]

lmfao at media fiends who get fooled by an asshole cause he rand a charity :lol and I thought people like that were only in movies, nobody could be that stupid. :facepalm

[andremiller07]

Did he admit to lying about having cancer to Oprah? With all his lies and tactics it wouldn't surprise me to one day find out he faked cancer as well, dude is a compulsive liar in a sport full of drug cheats. The whole PED thing does not bother me cause a large % of athletes do it but its all the lies outside of it to make himself look good that I question.

[CeltsGarlic]

Good guy Lance.

[Riddler]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/5377538.jpg

[niko]

and are you going to be responsible for creating every fukcing thread on ISH regarding lance armstrong from here on out?

i mean, so you just created a 'lance armstrong thread on oprah' a day or two ago... now you're apparently not thrilled how its been going and so its time for ANOTHER NEW THREAD to start over with your own original confirmation bias completely intact?

really?

and this is swaying HOW MANY of the people who originally disagreed with you how, exactly?

please do enlighten me, sir...
huh? This is more a shot at ESPN. I don't think Lance is the devil but he's not Robin Hood. This is my ESPN bashing thread. I don't think i posted much in the other thread, did i?

[daily]

I'm happy you view on morality is so self-centered and short sighted.
:facepalm Yes my view on morality is short sighted because I don't give a shit about how someone wins a stupid bike race but do care that they were instrumental in doing some good for people fighting cancer.

It's probably you who needs a double check on what's important and what's not

[rufuspaul]

:oldlol: At all the Texans coming in here and defending this douche.


Anyway, I'm just glad he had the ball to finally confess.

[-p.tiddy-]

huh? This is more a shot at ESPN. I don't think Lance is the devil but he's not Robin Hood. This is my ESPN bashing thread. I don't think i posted much in the other thread, did i?
are you sure this isn't Lance's stance on what happened?...that he viewed himself as a "Robin Hood" type?

this might be Lance's spin on this...not ESPN, they are just repeating his own views

[-p.tiddy-]

:oldlol: At all the Texans coming in here and defending this douche.


Anyway, I'm just glad he had the ball to finally confess.
not defending him, I am just saying to me it looks like more good came out of this than bad...

the good = millions $ were raised for cancer research (very important in the grand scheme of things)

the bad = someone cheated at sports (totally unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

[unbreakable]

in a world where everyone is doping , lance still won, so i dont see the big deal. EVERYONE LITERALLY DOPES AT THE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL

:hammerhead:

[kNIOKAS]

:facepalm Yes my view on morality is short sighted because I don't give a shit about how someone wins a stupid bike race but do care that they were instrumental in doing some good for people fighting cancer.

It's probably you who needs a double check on what's important and what's not
You now going into the negative levels of credibility... :no:

[2LeTTeRS]

If you are comparing those boys to the "ruined" lives of Armstrong's detractors, then you are way off base. I'm not buying it that his detractors were of noble intentions. They were in a sport with a systemic prisoner's dilemma to be the best. They were a part of an already dirty sport and they were calling out the best doper because he was on top. It is bullshit to sit there and think you wouldn't lash out at people attacking your own livelihood, especially when they are also eating the forbidden fruit to gain success.

Have been thinking the exact same thing. Not saying it was "right," but at the end of the day he did the exact same thing any lawyer or professional advisor would have advised him to do ---- protect his image by any means necessary.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Have been thinking the exact same thing. Not saying it was "right," but at the end of the day he did the exact same thing any lawyer or professional advisor would have advised him to do ---- protect his image by any means necessary.
There are a lot of lawyers that would have told him to come clean. The issues with Armstrong aren't just about him being a cheater (and the fact that one of his main defenses is that everyone else did it shows how indefensible he truly is). It's also about the massive amount of covering up he's done, lying to protect one lie after another. This could be the biggest web of deceit sports has ever seen. No lawyer worth his degree would have told Armstrong to lie under oath. (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/01/16/3670435.htm?site=sydney) Depending on what he says in this interview he's looking at an avalanche of lawsuits. I'm not sure where all of this will lead, we've got over a decade of falsehood to wade through but this could even lead to criminal court for all we know. Perjury is a serious thing and we are just seeing the beginning of what he may be about to get hit with.

[SilkkTheShocker]

So can we expect a discount on LiveStrong clothing now that we know Lance was a doper?

[Godzuki]

its unbelievable to me some americans continue to make excuses for him. before it was "but he didn't test positive" despite it being obvious and with so much overwhelming evidence, and the funniest thing about that is the Lance supporters jumped to "well the whole sport is doping" ...guess what? the whole sport hadn't tested positive either....his supporters are just constant hypocrites....and now its this robin hood cancer fighting BS like that excuses him from being one of the biggest pompous cheaters and blatant liars ever to live :facepalm

i mean when the basis of his fame and riches was from cheating and cancer charities benefited from that, its absolutely ridiculous how they keep ignoring the basis of him cheating to get to where he is. then on top of that which IMO is the worst part is he vehemently lied to the world for decades and being so vindictive towards those accusing him like he was so wrongly accused. that in itself just makes me utterly despise him. i honestly can't say i've seen any behavior worse than that from anybody of fame, its the lowest of the low to lie so manipulatively and on such a large scale.

it just makes me sick how people still support that dude :mad:

drug cartel leaders should start donating to cancer charities too. maybe people will start supporting them and ignoring where the money is coming from...

[daily]

You now going into the negative levels of credibility... :no: :roll:

Why because I'm not going to wrap myself in the cape of faux moral outrage over an athlete caught doping then lying to cover it up in a sport that since 1995 36 of the 45 podium finishers in the tour de france have been caught doping? Since 1996 there's been close to 300 riders in the tour alone that have been caught with some form of illegal performance enhancement, that's just one event and those are only the ones they caught how many like Armstrong slipped through the cracks yet you think I'm not credible because I'm not getting worked up over one rider? piss on that shit.

Grow up, Armstrong got caught cheating in a sport that's rampant with cheaters. get mad about the sport itself and it's culture of corruption from the top down.

Did he throw people under the bus, you bet and who cares really. The people he screwed over were for the most part every bit as guilty as him, most having already been caught and were just whistle blowing to save their own careers.

Sorry if my cynical outlook bothers you but like I said, I refuse to pretend Armstrong performed some evil deed in a pristine environment, He was a snake in a pit full of snakes.

[Godzuki]

:roll:

Why because I'm not going to wrap myself in the cape of faux moral outrage over an athlete caught doping then lying to cover it up in a sport that since 1995 36 of the 45 podium finishers in the tour de france have been caught doping? Since 1996 there's been close to 300 riders in the tour alone that have been caught with some form of illegal performance enhancement, that's just one event and those are only the ones they caught how many like Armstrong slipped through the cracks yet you think I'm not credible because I'm not getting worked up over one rider? piss on that shit.

Grow up, Armstrong got caught cheating in a sport that's rampant with cheaters. get mad about the sport itself and it's culture of corruption from the top down.

Did he throw people under the bus, you bet and who cares really. The people he screwed over were for the most part every bit as guilty as him, most having already been caught and were just whistle blowing to save their own careers.

Sorry if my cynical outlook bothers you but like I said, I refuse to pretend Armstrong performed some evil deed in a pristine environment, He was a snake in a pit full of snakes.

but has every rider tested positive? you all can't use that defense for Armstrong, and then once he is definitively guilty jump to "well the whole sport is full of cheaters".

you see how hypocritical that is, right?

[Budadiiii]

proof that im not godzuki ^^^^^^^

[Godzuki]

proof that im not godzuki ^^^^^^^


lol who said you were? granted i did have a budaas account back in the day...think that was my original ezboard acct.

[Budadiiii]

lol who said you were? granted i did have a budaas account back in the day...think that was my original ezboard acct.
These two clowns GreatGreg and Millwad :facepalm

[2LeTTeRS]

There are a lot of lawyers that would have told him to come clean. The issues with Armstrong aren't just about him being a cheater (and the fact that one of his main defenses is that everyone else did it shows how indefensible he truly is). It's also about the massive amount of covering up he's done, lying to protect one lie after another. This could be the biggest web of deceit sports has ever seen. No lawyer worth his degree would have told Armstrong to lie under oath. (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/01/16/3670435.htm?site=sydney) Depending on what he says in this interview he's looking at an avalanche of lawsuits. I'm not sure where all of this will lead, we've got over a decade of falsehood to wade through but this could even lead to criminal court for all we know. Perjury is a serious thing and we are just seeing the beginning of what he may be about to get hit with.

So now we're going to use revisionist history and pretend the lawyers 5-10 years ago knew what we all know now?

A good lawyer would not knowingly allow a person to lie on stand, but it's the lawyers job to give his client the representation he would give to himself if he had the education, not to verify the statements that his client is saying is true. Since the facts suggest that Armstrong never revealed to this lawyer the fact that he used PEDs his lawyer did nothing wrong.

[Godzuki]

These two clowns GreatGreg and Millwad :facepalm

oh lol they hate me so i'm not surprised they're all paranoid and pressed :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

So now we're going to use revisionist history and pretend the lawyers 5-10 years ago knew what we all know now?

A good lawyer would not knowingly allow a person to lie on stand, but its not the lawyers job to give his client the representation he would give to himself if he had the education, not to verify the statements that his client is saying is true. Since the facts suggest that Armstrong never revealed to this lawyer the fact that he used PEDs his lawyer did nothing wrong.
A good lawyer also gets accurate info from his client so he can give the best advice possible. If Armstrong decides to lie to his lawyer as well then there's nothing anyone can do so this convo is pointless but if the lawyer knows how dirty Armstrong is he isn't letting him lie on the stand. That's not me revising history that's reality...something Armstrong and his defenders have been avoiding for a long time now.

[kNIOKAS]

:roll:

Why because I'm not going to wrap myself in the cape of faux moral outrage over an athlete caught doping then lying to cover it up in a sport that since 1995 36 of the 45 podium finishers in the tour de france have been caught doping? Since 1996 there's been close to 300 riders in the tour alone that have been caught with some form of illegal performance enhancement, that's just one event and those are only the ones they caught how many like Armstrong slipped through the cracks yet you think I'm not credible because I'm not getting worked up over one rider? piss on that shit.

Grow up, Armstrong got caught cheating in a sport that's rampant with cheaters. get mad about the sport itself and it's culture of corruption from the top down.

Did he throw people under the bus, you bet and who cares really. The people he screwed over were for the most part every bit as guilty as him, most having already been caught and were just whistle blowing to save their own careers.

Sorry if my cynical outlook bothers you but like I said, I refuse to pretend Armstrong performed some evil deed in a pristine environment, He was a snake in a pit full of snakes.
That's actually a great point.

I can play along your lines and put it this way: he's the kig pin in that ball of snakes, the most corrupted and the most vile, and he must the chairman representing what is wrong with the sport.

Do we, as society, applaud the most cunning criminal who survived because of such traits? Thinking: well, he's best at something, right?

Now, actually pop culture loves the villains, you have nassy titling himself after Pablo Escobar (who shot down the civilian plane), you have multiple people admiring the character of Al Capone, the Godfather series is the cultural phenomenon in US and so on. Yet, you have to admit those guys were scum of the earth and just didn't have the compassion that stops a decent human being from killing and torturing others.

[daily]

but has every rider tested positive? you all can't use that defense for Armstrong, and then once he is definitively guilty jump to "well the whole sport is full of cheaters".

you see how hypocritical that is, right?You're asking me to speak for other people, but I will defend a persons right to change their mind as new evidence come forward.

From day 1 on Armstrong alone my stance was, he's innocent until proven guilty and if he is found guilty oh well, it's not like a surprise or anything when you consider the sport he competes in is known as a sport rampant with cheating among the athletes and corruption among the organizers. the numbers of people involved with doping in cycling is staggering.

Think of the fact you have since 1996 alone nearly 300 riders have been caught doping. Then think of the number of team managers, support persons, doctors, sponsors, family members had to know about it. You're into 1000's of people from one event alone involved in the worst kept secret in sports.

That's why I refuse to act like I'm shocked by Armstrong's revelations.

On the flip side I have to applaud the man who used his notoriety no matter how gained to build a foundation that's raised close to half a billion dollars for cancer research and support of those fighting the horrible disease because it's a topic much closer to home in reality.

When you think about it in the grand scheme of things. You, I or anyone here posting on ISH has a better chance of having our lives effected by Lance Armstrong through the Live Strong foundation than we do through his participating in cycle racing.

[daily]

That's actually a great point.

I can play along your lines and put it this way: he's the king pin in that ball of snakes, the most corrupted and the most vile, and he must the chairman representing what is wrong with the sport.

You could say he's the perfect storm of cheating.

Smart, clearly very business savvy, obviously athletically fit enough to maximize the effects of doping and a born leader.

[rufuspaul]

Anyway, I'm just glad he had the ball to finally confess.


:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


Jeez you guys are humorless. :facepalm

[2LeTTeRS]

A good lawyer also gets accurate info from his client so he can give the best advice possible. If Armstrong decides to lie to his lawyer as well then there's nothing anyone can do so this convo is pointless but if the lawyer knows how dirty Armstrong is he isn't letting him lie on the stand. That's not me revising history that's reality...something Armstrong and his defenders have been avoiding for a long time now.

The lawyer's job is to provide legal representation in exchange for money, period. He's not going to waste time trying to have a come to Jesus meeting with Armstrong to get him to confess something that makes his case worse and lessens the amount of money that will be lining the attorney's pocket.

As a law school grad I can tell you students are taught to not ask certain questions, because knowing certain damming facts can alter the type of case you can present. Not trying to be a dick but you are off here.

[Balla_Status]

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


Jeez you guys are humorless. :facepalm

No. We just appreciate originality.

[rufuspaul]

No. We just appreciate originality.

:rolleyes:

[Balla_Status]

:rolleyes:

lol..you know I'm just giving you shit right?

[rufuspaul]

lol..you know I'm just giving you shit right?


:cheers: If I had thin skin I would've retired years ago.

[Rasheed1]

:oldlol: I knew people would try and find a way to excuse Armstrong for all his lies and deception... I knew it..


I saw it coming back when the his buddy (Dont know his name because I dont follow any of these cycling clowns) got busted for doping and mentioned Armstrong's name.

Armstrong has a hissy and everyone came done on the guy for for dropping dime on armstrong...

I said this muthf*cker is guilty as sh*t....

All that self righteous denial? and now it turns out that he was lying the whole time and half the people are trying to find ways to rationalize it. :facepalm

man, this guy should be thrown waaay under the bus for this stunt..

[Balla_Status]

:cheers: If I had thin skin I would've retired years ago.

Cool. This one and the battleship post were just too easy.

As I said in the other Lance thread, he inspired me in my triathlon training. It sucks knowing he went out like this. I'm not knowledgeable in the "life killing" aspect of his life so I can't comment on that but he does deserve to get sued back by the people he did sue in court.

[kNIOKAS]

You could say he's the perfect storm of cheating.

Smart, clearly very business savvy, obviously athletically fit enough to maximize the effects of doping and a born leader.
That's you playing the devil's advocate...


The fact is, you punish the unwanted qualities, and especially you make sure you condemn and punish the epitome of such unwanted qualities, in the extreme way. That should be the message to society.

What you are simply missing is the case of ethics, and you lag like 3000 years behind the contemporary society. What you basically advocating is the case of arete, instead of the case of being the good person and example to the rest of the people. Meet Socrates, he'd help you a ton.

[daily]

That's you playing the devil's advocate...


The fact is, you punish the unwanted qualities, and especially you make sure you condemn and punish the epitome of such unwanted qualities, in the extreme way. That should be the message to society.

What you are simply missing is the case of ethics, and you lag like 3000 years behind the contemporary society. What you basically advocating is the case of arete, instead of the case of being the good person and example to the rest of the people. Meet Socrates, he'd help you a ton.:lol I was agreeing with your saying his was the kingpin of the snakes in the snake pit.

Just pointing out how he became the King of Snakes

As for the rest I'm sorry if my not being outraged over the aspects of his cheating bothers you but I'm not.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.
:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

The lawyer's job is to provide legal representation in exchange for money, period. He's not going to waste time trying to have a come to Jesus meeting with Armstrong to get him to confess something that makes his case worse and lessens the amount of money that will be lining the attorney's pocket.

As a law school grad I can tell you students are taught to not ask certain questions, because knowing certain damming facts can alter the type of case you can present. Not trying to be a dick but you are off here.
So it was a good idea for Armstrong to be lying and perjuring himself left and right? That's nonsense. Neither of us knows what he did or didn't say to his lawyers in confidence and we may never know but the Lawyer's job is to give Armstrong good advice in this case, if Armstrong talked to a lawyer beforehand at all. If you read the link I posted (no degree required) Armstrong wasn't on trial and thus wasn't being represented, he was being interviewed under oath about a case involving the lawyer's client. And this is just one example of this, we have no idea how many different times Armstrong lied to a fed, gave false testimony to cover his ass, misled some investigation or another, slandered a witness to his doping, etc. This is going to lead to all kinds of court battles.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Pathetic reasoning. Jerry Sandusky ran a charity that helped a lot more boys than he was able to get his dick into, and continues to help them. I don't hear anyone giving him a free pass.

Lance Armstrong is a vile human who should be shot at the next sunrise.

Comparing Lance Armstrong to Sandusky is just terrible. Sandusky is a person who I'd be 100% happy to see the death penalty.

[Blue&Orange]

:biggums:

you just compared blood doping to raping kids?

WTF is wrong with you?
I would ask what's wrong with you, but it's obvious, you're dumb.

[2LeTTeRS]

So it was a good idea for Armstrong to be lying and perjuring himself left and right? That's nonsense. Neither of us knows what he did or didn't say to his lawyers in confidence and we may never know but the Lawyer's job is to give Armstrong good advice in this case, if Armstrong talked to a lawyer beforehand at all. If you read the link I posted (no degree required) Armstrong wasn't on trial and thus wasn't being represented, he was being interviewed under oath about a case involving the lawyer's client.

Who has said it was a good idea? I said the fault for this does not lie with Armstrong's attorney, and I am not backing down from that. The only thing that is confusing me is why are you trying to shift the blame away from a proven liar (Armstrong) onto a third party?


And this is just one example of this, we have no idea how many different times Armstrong lied to a fed, gave false testimony to cover his ass, misled some investigation or another, slandered a witness to his doping, etc. This is going to lead to all kinds of court battles.

True, and we'll see what comes of this. I haven't researched the laws of the state of Texas, but I've heard it mentioned that the statute of limitations may limit many of the people who were wronged by Armstrong from recovering anything.

[Scoooter]

Comparing Lance Armstrong to Sandusky is just terrible. Sandusky is a person who I'd be 100% happy to see the death penalty.
That's sick.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who has said it was a good idea? I said the fault for this does not lie with Armstrong's attorney, and I am not backing down from that. The only thing that is confusing me is why are you trying to shift the blame away from a proven liar (Armstrong) onto a third party?I believe we have a misunderstanding. You said any lawyer would have told him to protect his image. I'm saying that there's no way a lawyer that knew the truth would give that advice, though I am acknowledging that he could also have been lying to the lawyers. I guess you are assuming the lawyers didn't know the truth.

[ShaqAttack3234]

That's sick.

What? Me supporting the death penalty for a sick waste of life like Sandusky? They deserve it. Unfortunately, the death penalty isn't given out to pedophiles, but there's nothing the state could do to those sick pieces of shit that's nearly as bad as what Sandusky did.

[tpols]

Comparing Lance Armstrong to Sandusky is just terrible. Sandusky is a person who I'd be 100% happy to see the death penalty.
The comparison is to illustrate the fact that people are giving the bad guy here a pass because his actions contributed to the greater good of society.

Sandusky ruined a ton of lives but is charity raised money for 10 times more. Armstrong ruined a a bunch of lives to a much lesser degree but he raised money for millions. It's an extreme example but you can't let someone off the hook individually because their evil actions led to more good than harm.. Because more often than not in society it will lead to the opposite happening. It's about the message you're promoting to people who will accept it and live by it.

[ShaqAttack3234]

The comparison is to illustrate the fact that people are giving the bad guy here a pass because his actions contributed to the greater good of society.

Sandusky ruined a ton of lives but is charity raised money for 10 times more. Armstrong ruined a a bunch of lives to a much lesser degree but he raised money for millions. It's an extreme example but you can't let someone off the hook individually because their evil actions led to more good than harm.. Because more often than not in society it will lead to the opposite happening. It's about the message you're promoting to people who will accept it and live by it.

He said "I don't see those people giving Sandusky a free pass" which implies that if you give Armstrong one, you should give Sandusky one. It's a completely ridiculous analogy.

[miggyme1]

he cheated in a sport where cheating via blood doping has been rampant since the 19teens? IDGAF.

He did lots of good for cancer research and thats the only real thing that matters.


keep thinkin that.lmao....u must get paid to suck his d.i.c.k till he spews dope infested semen all down your toothpick wide throat.lmao

shit is so manipulative its not even funny...him contracting cancer played right into his favor of him fooling millions of people around the world....livestrong was the damn coverup IMO.

DONT GIVE ME THAT "HE DID A LOT FOR CANCER RESEARCH" GARB....CUZ SO DO A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT.

LANCE IS A FCUKING FRAUD......AND I HONESTLY CANT WAIT TO SEE HIM IN HELL....WE ARE GONNA BE THE BEST OF FRIENDS.LMAO

[BlueCrayon]

Maybe I'm just confused because I don't follow cycling but, whose lives did Lance Armstrong supposedly ruin?

[daily]

The comparison is to illustrate the fact that people are giving the bad guy here a pass because his actions contributed to the greater good of society.

Sandusky ruined a ton of lives but is charity raised money for 10 times more. Armstrong ruined a a bunch of lives to a much lesser degree but he raised money for millions. It's an extreme example but you can't let someone off the hook individually because their evil actions led to more good than harm.. Because more often than not in society it will lead to the opposite happening. It's about the message you're promoting to people who will accept it and live by it.

Sandusky ruined a bunch of innocent lives beyond repair in some cases on a level so depraved it's almost unspeakable.

Armstrong fought back against people trying to bring him down by using lying, legal wrangling and dirty tactics.

Many of those people harmed by Armstrong save one or two were already in deep trouble for their parts in cheating the sport and were trying to save their own bacon by cooperating in bringing Armstrong's cheating to light.

Massive difference.

[niko]

Lance didn't cheat in order to help people. He cheated to make himself famous by winning sporting events. He also helped people via his foundation. He didn't cheat in order to help people. That connection is funny to me.

Any of you grow up in an area where mafia homes are there? They donate a shitload to the neighborhood. If someone has a sick kid, they give what they can. They donate so the schools have a nice field and can buy computers for the kids. But they are not criminals to get money for these things. They are criminals to get money for themselves. Which they then use (in addition to buying huge freaking houses) partially to help others.

Lance isn't a simple human being, but the cheating part of it and the cover up wasn't some altruistic instinct, it was him protecting himself. The helping others was because he wanted to do it. It's two separate things.

[tpols]

Sandusky ruined a bunch of innocent lives beyond repair in some cases on a level so depraved it's almost unspeakable.

Armstrong fought back against people trying to bring him down by using lying, legal wrangling and dirty tactics.

Many of those people harmed by Armstrong save one or two were already in deep trouble for their parts in cheating the sport and were trying to save their own bacon by cooperating in bringing Armstrong's cheating to light.

Massive difference.
No.. Armstrong used all sorts of blackmailing, threats, and general despicable behavior to extort people into not speaking. He FORCED clean cyclists in his camp to dope so that everyone was involved and he wouldn't take all the individual blame.

LOL at protecting himself against people harming him. You obviously don't know shit about this situation.

[daily]

No.. Armstrong used all sorts of blackmailing, threats, and general despicable behavior to extort people into not speaking. He FORCED clean cyclists in his camp to dope so that everyone was involved and he wouldn't take all the individual blame.

LOL at protecting himself against people harming him. You obviously don't know shit about this situation.You're missing the point. It's not comparable in any way shape or form to Sandusky. To even begin to try and connect those dots is idiotic. You're seriously trying to compare buttfu*king a 10 year old boy in the shower to suing somebody to keep their mouth shut

Love the insults btw, makes you so much more credible

[Blue&Orange]

He said "I don't see those people giving Sandusky a free pass" which implies that if you give Armstrong one, you should give Sandusky one. It's a completely ridiculous analogy.
Why is ridiculous? Ridiculous is giving someone a free pass because he done something good at some point. Ridiculous is thinking it's ok to give a free pass to this guy but not to this one.

lol at Lance work with cancer being from the goodness of his heart.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Why is ridiculous? Ridiculous is giving someone a free pass because he done something good at some point. Ridiculous is thinking it's ok to give a free pass to this guy but not to this one.

lol at Lance work with cancer being from the goodness of his heart.

I never said I give Lance a pass. If all of the things I'm reading he did were true, such as forcing teammates to use as well, then I certainly wouldn't defend that. Only thing I said concerning Lance is that I could care less about his own individual PED use. My comment was criticizing the analogy to Sandusky.

[boozehound]

I haven't seen the Oprah thing yet

is this the same "spin" that Lance himself is claiming?




you know, if his little escapade did result in $millions toward cancer research then I guess I am glad it happened...I really don't care about the Tour de France and who wins

in fact, I can't even name another person who has won it other than Lance...
my understanding is that much of the funding is for cancer awareness, whatever that is, rather than actual research.

[daily]

I never said I give Lance a pass. If all of the things I'm reading he did were true, such as forcing teammates to use as well, then I certainly wouldn't defend that. Only thing I said concerning Lance is that I could care less about his own individual PED use. My comment was criticizing the analogy to Sandusky.What I've learned in this thread is you're not allowed to be indifferent to Armstrong's doping. You're supposed to be outraged and if you're not you're morally bankrupt

[boozehound]

here is an interesting take
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/lance-armstrong-lawsuit_b_2482179.html

[Lebron23]

Lance Armstrong is a piece of $hit. He's a cheating, lying, son of a b1tch.

[FPJ]

Poor Lance. He only cheated cause he wanted a better world. He threatened some of his team mates and their wives for world peace. He bullied people cause they were interfering with his plans to save the children from Africa.

Lance is a real life James Bond. Do whatever is necessary to save the world. Poor Lance now takes all the blame. People always forget you need BIG balls to admit a little wrong you did.

If Lance doesnt win a Nobel prize than these prizes are the nut low.

[Blue&Orange]

Did he even had cancer? :confusedshrug: Or did he had some doping, transfusions related problem and decided to pass it as cancer and create a great story? He has the ego.

Why would any doctor come forward and say they took money to tell he had cancer, and look like a villain, lose costumers and the job, etc...

Really, did he even had cancer?

[FPJ]

Really, did he even had cancer?

This is nuts!

[rufuspaul]

This is nuts!


No, just one.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Poor Lance. He only cheated cause he wanted a better world. He threatened some of his team mates and their wives for world peace. He bullied people cause they were interfering with his plans to save the children from Africa.

Lance is a real life James Bond. Do whatever is necessary to save the world. Poor Lance now takes all the blame. People always forget you need BIG balls to admit a little wrong you did.

If Lance doesnt win a Nobel prize than these prizes are the nut low.


http://m5.paperblog.com/i/1/17130/facepalm-L-3P9ME7.jpeg

[Budadiiii]

****

[PimpinZaZa]

:oldlol: At all the Texans coming in here and defending this douche.


Anyway, I'm just glad he had the ball to finally confess.

:lol

[DCL]

lance armstrong already showed his true colors as the ultimate piece of sh!t scumbag. there's really nothing he can do to ever reverse that. he's an incredible liar though. stares straight into your eyes and doesn't even blink, swears to god, the entire bible, and his mother's grave.... come to think of it, this dude is such a pathetic douchebag.