Kobe interview on ESPN. Talks about playing 1on1 with other stars

[konex]

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/17075/kobe-bryant-talks-mj-lebron-django

[QUOTE]Who would you most like to play one-on-one, either active or retired?

Jordan. No question.

What would happen?

I

[LoneyROY7]

Let's be honest here...Carmelo's got Kobe one-on-one.

[IGOTGAME]

Let's be honest here...Carmelo's got Kobe one-on-one.
Maybe old 34 year old Kobe. But prime Kobe would shit on him.

[LoneyROY7]

Maybe old 34 year old Kobe. But prime Kobe would shit on him.

Well, this is an interview with a 34-year old Kobe.

[IGOTGAME]

Well, this is an interview with a 34-year old Kobe.
Even now I'd give it to Kobe. 1 on 1 is a lot about will too. Melo isn't just gonna back him down and score, especially with no refs. I'd still give it to Kobe. With no help defenders its almost impossible to guard Kobe.

[Droid101]

Kobe is a boss.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Vince Carter would roast him.:lol

[Foster5k]

[quote]I won all three games. One game I won 11-2. After the third game he said he had back spasms and couldn

[LoneyROY7]

Even now I'd give it to Kobe. 1 on 1 is a lot about will too. Melo isn't just gonna back him down and score, especially with no refs. I'd still give it to Kobe. With no help defenders its almost impossible to guard Kobe.

The exact same thing could be said for Melo. Kobe said it himself, guarding him is like trying to defend a bull. I don't see Kobe stopping Carmelo from getting to the basket.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe's a pretty confident guy. All athletes should have that level of confidence.

The T-Mac stuff was crazy.


Let's be honest here...Carmelo's got Kobe one-on-one.

Don't think defensively he'd stop Kobe in his prime. Kobe would have a better chance defending and getting a few stops than the other way around.

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe's a pretty confident guy. All athletes should have that level of confidence.

The T-Mac stuff was crazy.



Don't think defensively he'd stop Kobe in his prime. Kobe would have a better chance defending and getting a few stops than the other way around.

I'm talking right now. Kobe doesn't go to the rim much any more, so it's more a matter of just contesting his jumper (not that it's an easy task).

[RRR3]

2002-03 T-Mac would give him trouble. Arrogantbe at it again.

[Legends66NBA7]

Vince Carter would roast him.:lol

I could see that.

Vince in that past has tried really hard to defend Kobe, but it would be different 1 on1 .

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm talking right now.

I'd still say it's pretty close, but yeah advantage for Melo.

[heavensdevil]

Even now I'd give it to Kobe. 1 on 1 is a lot about will too. Melo isn't just gonna back him down and score, especially with no refs. I'd still give it to Kobe. With no help defenders its almost impossible to guard Kobe.


agreed. Too smart, too savvy. Melo would get easily frustrated with the trash talk too.

[STATUTORY]

2002-03 T-Mac would give him trouble. Arrogantbe at it again.
:oldlol: @ ni99a speaking in hypotheticals when Kobe just dusted the haters with the TRUTH

tmac played kobe 1 on 1 in his prime and by the time the game was over tmac's prime ended and his back issues started

mamba is a killer

[IGOTGAME]

I could see that.

Vince in that past has tried really hard to defend Kobe, but it would be different 1 on1 .
Doesn't have the heart to beat Kobe 1 on 1. Kobe biggest strength is he is an elite all time competitor.Vince and Melo are far from that.

[STATUTORY]

I'm talking right now. Kobe doesn't go to the rim much any more, so it's more a matter of just contesting his jumper (not that it's an easy task).
:facepalm u haven't watched kobe play this season at all right? ever since he went to germany he's been hitting the hole with impunity

[Dragonyeuw]

Don't think defensively he'd stop Kobe in his prime. Kobe would have a better chance defending and getting a few stops than the other way around.

No chance in hell he would, really. In all honesty, none of these all-time great prolific scorers can be contained in a one on one. Jordan and Kobe would burn the hell out of each other in that scenario. That's the kind of matchup that could come down to whoever misses first and whether it's make it, take it rules or not.

[heavensdevil]

I could see that.

Vince in that past has tried really hard to defend Kobe, but it would be different 1 on1 .


apparently VC was a beast one on one... I remember reading that in 2000, the Olympic team had a 1 on 1 tourney and that VC lost in the finals to KG.

[LoneyROY7]

:oldlol: @ ni99a speaking in hypotheticals when Kobe just dusted the haters with the TRUTH

tmac played kobe 1 on 1 in his prime and by the time the game was over tmac's prime ended and his back issues started

mamba is a killer

:facepalm Read the quote, stan.

Kobe said they played when HE WAS 20. That means T-Mac was 19. T-mac was in his prime when he was 19?

Now sit the f*** down.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Like we didn't know this already....Stupid interviewer, wasting your few minutes with god like that :facepalm

[RRR3]

:oldlol: @ ni99a speaking in hypotheticals when Kobe just dusted the haters with the TRUTH

tmac played kobe 1 on 1 in his prime and by the time the game was over tmac's prime ended and his back issues started

mamba is a killer
Kobe saying something does not make it the truth.




And I'd like to see Kobe stop LeBron on defense, especailly at his age.

[White Mamba]

2002-03 T-Mac would give him trouble. Arrogantbe at it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkFcXpRan4

if you wanna know who got it one on one - call me:oldlol:

[blablabla]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0116/play_g_kobe-bryant2_mb_300.jpg

bo$$:pimp:

[RRR3]

:facepalm Read the quote, stan.

Kobe said they played when HE WAS 20. That means T-Mac was 19. T-mac was in his prime when he was 19?

Now sit the f*** down.
There was game in 2002 or 2003 when T-Mac and Kobe were going at it one-on-one and both scored 38 IIRC. Pretty even all-around, slight edge to T-Mac IMO. Over their careers, Kobe generally got the best of T-Mac though IIRC, one game he scored like 24 in the 4th against the Magic although T-Mac really kind of gave up that year (2003-04) and Kobe generally got him in Houston (T-Mac was declining by then). Still I think peak T-Mac vs peak Kobe would be fun to watch.

[Darius]

Kobe broke T-Mac's back??

BaneBe.

[CavaliersFTW]

Jabbar would embarass the f*ck out of Kobe 1 on 1, just look at what 50 year old Jabbar was doing to Julius Erving in their battle of the legends game on youtube. So would any other decent size all-time talent 7 footer - you can't defend them backing you into the post and if they are mobile like Jabbar was you can't get your shot off around them - and contrary to a game situation where you can space the floor, in 1 on 1 it is NOT easy to get around them - and you can't contest ANYTHING they put up, even their 3's.

Dominant 7 footers like Jabbar >>>> Kobe/anyone else at 1 on 1

[Legends66NBA7]

No chance in hell he would, really. In all honesty, none of these all-time great prolific scorers can be contained in a one on one. Jordan and Kobe would burn the hell out of each other in that scenario. That's the kind of matchup that could come down to whoever misses first and whether it's make it, take it rules or not.

That's true too.

The hypothetical of Jordan vs Bryant 1 on 1 would be pay-per view stuff. Both would be scratched up and bloodied if it ever went down.

[RRR3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkFcXpRan4

if you wanna know who got it one on one - call me:oldlol:
Gilbert Arenas destroying prime Kobe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_p7doCGYGM

Record point total in OT :lol


Gilbert would win one-on-one right?

[Legends66NBA7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkFcXpRan4

if you wanna know who got it one on one - call me:oldlol:

That's 03-04.

[Money 23]

You can see Kobe's admiration for Jordan come through in this interview. The respect, love and inspiration is all there. That's why I hate seeing both fan camps at each other's throats.

Hell, his fear of dog crap extends from it ruining his pair of AJ IIIs.

I'd love to see both in their prime / peak duke it out. Jordan ('90 - '93) v.s. Kobe ('06 - '08)

Only part I face palmed was Kobe's backpedalling of the self appointed nickname, which we all know he gave himself following the release of Kill Bill. And the interviewer claiming Kobe "dropped 33 on MJ" in that 1998 game.

Kobe scored the majority of that on backups after the game had been WELL decided in a blow out.

Also thought it was kind of wrong for Kobe to be so pompous about the MVP thing. Like listen, you didn't get MVPs but you got rings to bolster your resume. It's a trade off.

And in regards to him saying he would've put up crazy numbers. He got his chance for three seasons at the PEAK of his abilities to put up numbers.

[blablabla]

T-Mac vs. Kobe (http://bkref.com/tiny/jzGxf)

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm Read the quote, stan.

Kobe said they played when HE WAS 20. That means T-Mac was 19. T-mac was in his prime when he was 19?

Now sit the f*** down.
but kobe was in his prime at 20 right? Tmac peaked early he was probably as good at 19 as he ever was just playing behind Vince he didn't get to show it.

great interview from Kobe, guy's just so honest and direct. u don't get those b!tchmade political correct answers like u would get from other players

[Legends66NBA7]

Jabbar would embarass the f*ck out of Kobe 1 on 1, just look at what 50 year old Jabbar was doing to Julius Erving in their battle of the legends game on youtube. So would any other decent size 7 footer - you can't defend them backing you into the post and if they are mobile you can't get your shot off around them - and contrary to a game situation where you can space the floor, in 1 on 1 it is NOT easy to get around them.

Dominant 7 footers like Jabbar >>>> Kobe/anyone else at 1 on 1

True. :oldlol:

But you never no if guards can get the quick steal of a big. :D

[RRR3]

T-Mac vs. Kobe (http://bkref.com/tiny/jzGxf)
Pretty even in Orlando :confusedshrug:

[G-Funk]

Boss player

[CavaliersFTW]

True. :oldlol:

But you never no if guards can get the quick steal of a big. :D
1 on 1 body on body if they are backing you down you aren't stealing the ball from them the ball is so far away from you and they can feel everywhere your moving - watch the Jabbar vs Erving game if you can find it on youtube and you'll see what I mean. Little men steal from big men as weakside help but if they are the individual that is being posted up? Hopeless.

[Chrono90]

One more ring and finals MVP and scoring title as a 34 year old would put him top 5 all time undisputed.

[RRR3]

1 on 1 body on body if they are backing you down you aren't stealing the ball from them the ball is so far away from you and they can feel everywhere your moving - watch the Jabbar vs Erving game if you can find it on youtube and you'll see what I mean. Little men steal from big men as weakside help but if they are the individual that is being posted up? Hopeless.
What players do you think could beat Kobe one-on-one? Besides Kareem I mean.

[LoneyROY7]

but kobe was in his prime at 20 right? Tmac peaked early he was probably as good at 19 as he ever was just playing behind Vince he didn't get to show it.

great interview from Kobe, guy's just so honest and direct. u don't get those b!tchmade political correct answers like u would get from other players

So you're basing your claim entirely off assumption then?

If T-Mac had already 'peaked' when he was 19, he wouldn't have only started 2 games and he wouldn't have averaged only 9.3 ppg.

[Legends66NBA7]

And in regards to him saying he would've put up crazy numbers. He got his chance for three seasons at the PEAK of his abilities to put up numbers.

Remember the thread you made if Kobe and a healthy Hill were on the same team as Iverson in Philly ?

It's kinda of like that. If he was in that system and coach Brown told him to go out and just take a shit load of shots, he's obviously going to put up some crazy scoring numbers. So I think he meant that he would get the scoring titles and other accolades from the start, which is probably true. Not just from his peak years.

[lakerspng]

Would loved to have seen Jordan vs. Kobe if both were in their primes in a one on one matchup, best of 3 games. That would be worth pay per view for sure.

[AlphaWolf24]

So ALPHA!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[IGOTGAME]

1 on 1 body on body if they are backing you down you aren't stealing the ball from them the ball is so far away from you and they can feel everywhere your moving - watch the Jabbar vs Erving game if you can find it on youtube and you'll see what I mean. Little men steal from big men as weakside help but if they are the individual that is being posted up? Hopeless.

Since you are starting from the top of the key it take a lot of endurance to be able to continually post up anyone from that distance. Kareem could likely do it but even he would tire by maybe game 3. Add on to the fact that he would have to chase around a guard like prime Kobe. 19 feet is a long way to have to back someone down to get a point, especially when a guy like Kobe can just come back and hit 3 2 pointers in a row.

[AlphaWolf24]

So you're basing your claim entirely off assumption then?

If T-Mac had already 'peaked' when he was 19, he wouldn't have only started 2 games and he wouldn't have averaged only 9.3 ppg.


- I'm pretty sure Sam Mitchell hated Tmac in Toronto and relayed it to everyone there....(prolly a big reason why Tmac was moved)

- He definatley showed signs in Toronto of greatness.....but in reality...it wouldn't have matter if both were 20 or 25....

GawdBE would have merked Tmac either way.

[swag2011]

Also thought it was kind of wrong for Kobe to be so pompous about the MVP thing. Like listen, you didn't get MVPs but you got rings to bolster your resume. It's a trade off.



It's the truth though. In regards to those rings, i've never seen a player get more discredited for his contributions to a ring than Kobe. Magic has FMVP only 3 times outta his 5 rings. Hell, Kareem only has 2 FMVP's to his 6 rings. But no one discredits them. but with kobe, everyone besides kobe stans acts like he was carried to them and didn't put up crazy numbers as well. So it's like what difference does a couple extra rings matter if some people try to downplay them like they always do.

[Legends66NBA7]

- I'm pretty sure Sam Mitchell hated Tmac in Toronto and relayed it to everyone there....(prolly a big reason why Tmac was moved)

Sam Mitchell never coached T-Mac in Toronto.

T-Mac was long gone before Mitchell became coach in Toronto. It was Butch Carter who was coach in T-Mac's last season in Toronto in 2000.

[Mr. Jabbar]

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bo$$:pimp:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

What players do you think could beat Kobe one-on-one? Besides Kareem I mean.
Bob Lanier won the 1 on 1 contest in the early 70's, he's the type of player like Kareem that would probably manhandle Kobe or anyone else Kobe's size with his back to the basket game and being that he's 6-11 286lbs and had beautiful post moves, fakes, and a hook shot just like Jabbar AND he also had a jumper (so, no coincidence that he won the 1 on 1 contest back then). Hakeem would likely win 1 on 1 against Kobe as well. Really, any of NBA histories huge players that posessed nimble athleticism and a developed post game with some decent shooting touch or ball handling ability would have such an advantage in a 1 on 1 situation it wouldn't even be a fair game, it would be just like the Kareem vs Erving game it would look like the 7 footer is just abusing the "dominant/notorious/skilled 1 on 1 player" - that's why Kobe said 6-9 (with 7-4.75 wingspan Durant) would give him so much problems and Durant doesn't even have super strength or a good post game, it's just that length + mobility + soft touch alone is so hard to combat in 1 on 1. If you have trouble getting your shot off due to the opponents length yet your opponent is so powerful and skilled that you have zero chance of stopping him, it's game over.

[RRR3]

Bob Lanier won the 1 on 1 contest in the early 70's, he's the type of player like Kareem that would probably manhandle Kobe or anyone else Kobe's size with his back to the basket game and being that he's 6-11 286lbs and had beautiful post moves, fakes, and a hook shot just like Jabbar AND he also had a jumper (so, no coincidence that he won the 1 on 1 contest back then). Hakeem would likely win 1 on 1 against Kobe as well. Really, any of NBA histories huge players that posessed nimble athleticism and a developed post game with some decent shooting touch or ball handling ability would have such an advantage in a 1 on 1 situation it wouldn't even be a fair game, it would be just like the Kareem vs Erving game it would look like the 7 footer is just abusing the "dominant/notorious/skilled 1 on 1 player" - that's why Kobe said 6-9 (with 7-4.75 wingspan Durant) would give him so much problems and Durant doesn't even have super strength or a good post game, it's just that length + mobility + soft touch alone is so hard to combat in 1 on 1. If you have trouble getting your shot off due to the opponents length yet your opponent is so powerful and skilled that you have zero chance of stopping him, it's game over.
So would someone like, say, Al Jefferson beat Kobe in your opinion? I don't see that, personally.

[Money 23]

It's the truth though. In regards to those rings, i've never seen a player get more discredited for his contributions to a ring than Kobe. Magic has FMVP only 3 times outta his 5 rings. Hell, Kareem only has 2 FMVP's to his 6 rings. But no one discredits them. but with kobe, everyone besides kobe stans acts like he was carried to them and didn't put up crazy numbers as well.
I agree, last bit isn't true at all.

Only reason people sour those rings, was in response to overzealous Laker fans using those rings in order to compare to Jordan. And the second Kobe started winning, that's what they did ... even though the weight of the championship and context wasn't remotely similar to Jordan.

Kobe was a CLEAR Pippen-esque sidekick in 2000. In 2001 and 2002 the lines between Shaq and Kobe's importance begin to blur. But those Lakers were still Shaq's team, and he was still the best player in the game during that stretch.

The same way people are critical of Kobe's first three rings in terms of importance as alpha, they should be of Magic and Kareem as well. Because neither was the best player on the team for all their rings. So the weight of them is different.

Same would've been said for LeBron if they won in 2012, with Wade producing the exact same numbers as LeBron as he did in 2011. But Wade was a clear cut 2nd best player in 2012. Context separates the values of these accomplishments. Don't you agree?

[G-Funk]

2002-03 T-Mac would give him trouble. Arrogantbe at it again.
It burns you to hear that Kobe busted his ass so much. Lol salty

Also 2002-03 Kobe would give a 20yr old Kobe trouble too.

[CavaliersFTW]

Since you are starting from the top of the key it take a lot of endurance to be able to continually post up anyone from that distance. Kareem could likely do it but even he would tire by maybe game 3. Add on to the fact that he would have to chase around a guard like prime Kobe. 19 feet is a long way to have to back someone down to get a point, especially when a guy like Kobe can just come back and hit 3 2 pointers in a row.
The small guy is gonna get worn out by the big guy you've got it backwards. There is no "chasing around" here, the big guy would own the paint which is where Kobe or anyone else would WANT to be gaining ground to score from, and it would be easy for the big guy to keep the paint he would be expending far less energy being there than Kobe would - a big guy would merely be "boxing out" and using his extreme size to his advantage. Kobe would be putting in work the entire time and it would look almost pathetic. The NBA's all-time dominant 7 footers would win 1 on 1 game's almost every time against any of the all-time "most complete/skilled/notorious 1 on 1 players" I'm telling you, it just isn't fair to put a guard or small forward vs an all-time center in a 1 on 1 game and expect any outcome other than the 7 footer absolutely trashing the guard and revealing why it is so important/gifted to be a skilled athletic person who is 7 feet tall.

Again, I implore people to watch the Kareem vs Dr. J one on one match, it is almost painful to watch Dr. J try to score on Kareem, and watching Kareem make shots so easily that he gets bored and starts shooting 3's over Dr. J's head (and making them because Dr. J has no chance of even contesting it)

[AlphaWolf24]

Sam Mitchell never coached T-Mac in Toronto.

T-Mac was long gone before Mitchell became coach in Toronto. It was Butch Carter who was coach in T-Mac's last season in Toronto in 2000.


yeah ...I know...

- I thought Mitchell was an assistant there in 00'?...maybe I was thinking of someone else.

- I remember hearing that an assistant coach told the rest of teh coaching staff/GM about how he thought " Mcgrady was never going to be anything, has a horrible work ethic and will be out of the league in few years"...etc.

[CavaliersFTW]

So would someone like, say, Al Jefferson beat Kobe in your opinion? I don't see that, personally.
Is Al Jefferson an all-time talent big man?

[RRR3]

Is Al Jefferson an all-time talent big man?
No, but he has a great post game. I think I see your point now. What about LeBron? How could Kobe stop him?

[Money 23]

LMAO @ people talking big v.s. wings in 1 on 1

Apples and oranges

[IGOTGAME]

The small guy is gonna get worn out by the big guy you've got it backwards. There is no "chasing around" here, the big guy would own the paint which is where Kobe or anyone else would WANT to be gaining ground to score from, and it would be easy for the big guy to keep the paint he would be expending far less energy being there than Kobe would - a big guy would merely be "boxing out" and using his extreme size to his advantage. Kobe would be putting in work the entire time and it would look almost pathetic. The NBA's all-time dominant 7 footers would win 1 on 1 game's almost every time against any of the all-time "most complete/skilled/notorious 1 on 1 players" I'm telling you, it just isn't fair to put a guard or small forward vs an all-time center in a 1 on 1 game and expect any outcome other than the 7 footer absolutely trashing the guard and revealing why it is so important/gifted to be a skilled athletic person who is 7 feet tall.

Again, I implore people to watch the Kareem vs Dr. J one on one match, it is almost painful to watch Dr. J try to score on Kareem, and watching Kareem make shots so easily that he gets bored and starts shooting 3's over Dr. J's head (and making them because Dr. J has no chance of even contesting it)
Julius Erving didn't have range or a jumpshot. It would be different with other guys. Kareem imo is an outlier from dominant center/forwards . Other guys like Shaq, McHale, DRob, Ewing, Wilt, Webber etc. would not have the same success as Kareem for various reasons. But even with Kareem, I doubt he can back down Jordan from the NBA 3 point line 21 straight times, he will get tired because guards have a lower center of gravity. If anyone could do it its Kareem but I wouldn't pretend other guys would have anywhere near that ability.

Also, remember that a traditional game has 1 and 2 point shots.

btw, where is that video with kareem and erving?

[IGOTGAME]

LMAO @ people talking big v.s. wings in 1 on 1

Apples and oranges

damn, i thought they were all trying to put that little orange ball in the hoop.

[STATUTORY]

No, but he has a great post game. I think I see your point now. What about LeBron? How could Kobe stop him?
by playing solid on ball defense, kobe has the lateral quickness to stay in front and force lebron to become a shooter. without a battier/ray allen to pass to, lebron be toast.

dude are u seriously so consumed by hate u can't even give respect to kobe where it's due. the guy is by far the best 1 on 1 player in the nba and it ain't even close

[Money 23]

dude are u seriously so consumed by hate u can't even give respect to kobe where it's due. the guy is by far the best 1 on 1 player in the nba and it ain't even close
In terms of skill, creativity, footwork, post game, jumper, athleticism

Only best other option all-time is Mike. Kobe right there with him in those regards.

[RRR3]

by playing solid on ball defense, kobe has the lateral quickness to stay in front and force lebron to become a shooter. without a battier/ray allen to pass to, lebron be toast.

dude are u seriously so consumed by hate u can't even give respect to kobe where it's due. the guy is by far the best 1 on 1 player in the nba and it ain't even close
:facepalm Stop pretending to be a Wade fan, we all know you're one of the worst Mamba apostles on ISH

[CavaliersFTW]

No, but he has a great post game. I think I see your point now. What about LeBron? How could Kobe stop him?
Well Kobe seems pretty confident he could beat Lebron - they aren't worlds apart in length and stature like a matchup would be against say, Kareem. Lebron would have a center-like weight/strength edge being that he's about 50lbs heavier than Kobe but lengthwise their standing reach/wingspan etc are actually very close, Kobe's quickness would actually be helping balance out their physical differences in such a matchup because Lebron isn't ridiculously long and couldn't hedge Kobe into taking as distressed a shot selection as a 7 footer with his arms, or keep his hands up to protect the basket as easily - and in this particular matchup (unlike an all-time big like say, Hakeem or Kareem) Kobe actually also has a superior post-up game to his opponent so I think Kobe is right, he could beat Lebron. I know Lebron is the "freak specimen" of this era but honestly aside from his body weight Lebron simply doesn't pose the same freakish matchup issues as the aforementioned HOF bigs. A guy like Kareem for example isn't simply "50lbs heavier", he's actually cartoonish huge, and long, with exceptional 1 on 1 shot blocking and basket protecting ability, and it wouldn't even be fair to try and stop him from scoring

[STATUTORY]

In terms of skill, creativity, footwork, post game, jumper, athleticism


and that's what matters in a 1 on 1 game. seriously I have to conclude most ppl saying lebron would best kobe here have never picked up a ball even at a high school gym.

what lebron excel at is absolutely useless in a 1 on 1 game. lebron is a pick and roll player and a playmaker first. He's got a shaky jumper, predictable post game, and an AVERAGE first step (people think lebron is quick, he's fast and has long strides but his first step from standstill is very average).

Those aren't skills that will win u 1 on 1 matchup against kobe.

[swag2011]

I agree, last bit isn't true at all.

Only reason people sour those rings, was in response to overzealous Laker fans using those rings in order to compare to Jordan. And the second Kobe started winning, that's what they did ... even though the weight of the championship and context wasn't remotely similar to Jordan.

Kobe was a CLEAR Pippen-esque sidekick in 2000. In 2001 and 2002 the lines between Shaq and Kobe's importance begin to blur. But those Lakers were still Shaq's team, and he was still the best player in the game during that stretch.

The same way people are critical of Kobe's first three rings in terms of importance as alpha, they should be of Magic and Kareem as well. Because neither was the best player on the team for all their rings. So the weight of them is different.

Same would've been said for LeBron if they won in 2012, with Wade producing the exact same numbers as LeBron as he did in 2011. But Wade was a clear cut 2nd best player in 2012. Context separates the values of these accomplishments. Don't you agree?

I never dispute when anyone says Shaq was the best player on those teams. because he absolutely was. But my issue always comes in when people act like Kobe did NOTHING, but sat back and got carried. So they pretty much disregard them and say he only has 2 rings (some people say he only has 1 real ring). have you ever seen a player get discredited and downplayed and doubted THIS much?

But as you said, they should be critical of Magic and kareem as well, but the fact of the matter is that they aren't. No one says 2 of Magic's rings don't count or 4 or Kareem's rings don't count. When we think about Magic, we say he has 5 rings. Kareem, we say 6 rings. With Kobe it's always carried to 3 rings.

I agree with the weight of the rings being different and all that sh!t but it's just the carrying thing that annoys me. To get to the finals, you have to do well in the regular season and playoffs and kobe did more than well. for him to average 29/7/6 as a 2nd option? are you kidding me.... too amazing.

[CavaliersFTW]

*EDIT* here's the link for the FULL game (40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DWaKXaAYA
41 to 23

This is what happens when you put an actual big man vs a "skilled 1 on 1 player". Seriously, anyone who thinks a guard sized player like Kobe would stand a chance 1 on 1 against a guy with Kareems size and skillset is fooling themselves. The size difference is why Kobe couldn't win such a game, there is nothing he could do to even try and wear Kareem out, he'd simply get his shots rejected left and right, and wouldn't be able to stop Kareem.

[Dictator]

I always wanted to see you play Tracy McGrady.

I played T-Mac. I cooked him. Roasted him. Wasnt even close. Ask him, hell tell you. When I was about 20, we were in Germany doing some promotional stuff for that other sneaker company and we played basketball everyday. We were in the gym all the time. We played three games of one-on-one to 11. I won all three games.One game I won 11-2. After the third game he said he had back spasms and couldnt play anymore.

:lol

[Darius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8

This is what happens when you put an actual big man vs a "skilled 1 on 1 player". Seriously, anyone who thinks a guard sized player like Kobe would stand a chance 1 on 1 against a guy with Kareems size and skillset is fooling themselves. The size difference is why Kobe couldn't win such a game, there is nothing he could do to even try and wear Kareem out, he'd simply get his shots rejected left and right, and wouldn't be able to stop Kareem.


:roll: :roll: :roll: this is classic

[IGOTGAME]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8

This is what happens when you put an actual big man vs a "skilled 1 on 1 player". Seriously, anyone who thinks a guard sized player like Kobe would stand a chance 1 on 1 against a guy with Kareems size and skillset is fooling themselves. The size difference is why Kobe couldn't win such a game, there is nothing he could do to even try and wear Kareem out, he'd simply get his shots rejected left and right, and wouldn't be able to stop Kareem.
lot different with refs, a shot clock and a guard/forward who can't shot.

[ripthekik]

You versus LeBron? Who wins?

Me. No question. As far as one-on-one, I’m the best to ever do it.

Damn. That’s pretty confident.

LeBron is a terrific all-around, five-on-five basketball player who’s an all-time great. But I’d get him.
:roll: :applause: :bowdown:
the truth! this bron boy better get out of here

[tmacattack33]

When Kobe was 20, T-mac was 19....at that point T-mac was a bench player for the Raptors...T-mac wasn't T-mac until he went to Orlando.

But anyway, yeah, Kobe's value goes up relative to most when we move from 5 on 5 basketball to 1 on 1 games.

[Legends66NBA7]

yeah ...I know...

- I thought Mitchell was an assistant there in 00'?...maybe I was thinking of someone else.

- I remember hearing that an assistant coach told the rest of teh coaching staff/GM about how he thought " Mcgrady was never going to be anything, has a horrible work ethic and will be out of the league in few years"...etc.

I don't know if that was a Toronto assistant who said that.

I'll check later when I get back home. But I have heard about that.

[And 1]

I enjoyed the interview. His confidence (which borders on arrogance) is nicely balanced by answers that just sounds like he's just a guy who's loved to play the game since he was a kid. :applause:

I specifically enjoyed when he answered to being questioned if he were a top-five all-time player.
"I hope so." :cheers:

Sometimes I wish he was an even better player, just to shut up the critics. Too bad he fell short of the top-5.

[IGOTGAME]

I enjoyed the interview. His confidence (which borders on arrogance) is nicely balanced by answers that just sounds like he's just a guy who's loved to play the game since he was a kid. :applause:

I specifically enjoyed when he answered to being questioned if he were a top-five all-time player.
"I hope so." :cheers:

Sometimes I wish he was an even better player, just to shut up the critics. Too bad he fell short of the top-5.

one thing I like about Kobe is that I feel like he utilized every ounce of talent that he was born with it.

[maybeshewill13]

LMFAO Kobe thinks he could take Jordan, a guy 10 spots above him on GOAT lists to the last couple shots and maybe even beat him?!

Hahahahahahahahaha :roll:

[Money 23]

LMFAO Kobe thinks he could take Jordan, a guy 10 spots above him on GOAT lists to the last couple shots and maybe even beat him?!
Umm, did you not see the admiration and respect for MJ leaking through in EVERYTHING he said?

He basically says he'd destroy any player in one v one, and asked who he'd MOST like to face he says Jordan, w/o hesitation. Then says he doesn't know how the outcome would turn out.

Then cedes MJ would beat him, and he would get some wins too. Which is probably how it would go down 1 v 1.

[devin112]

When Kobe was 20, T-mac was 19....at that point T-mac was a bench player for the Raptors...T-mac wasn't T-mac until he went to Orlando.

But anyway, yeah, Kobe's value goes up relative to most when we move from 5 on 5 basketball to 1 on 1 games.

inconvenient truth.

[swag2011]

I enjoyed the interview. His confidence (which borders on arrogance) is nicely balanced by answers that just sounds like he's just a guy who's loved to play the game since he was a kid. :applause:

I specifically enjoyed when he answered to being questioned if he were a top-five all-time player.
"I hope so." :cheers:

Sometimes I wish he was an even better player, just to shut up the critics. Too bad he fell short of the top-5.

I wish he played a lil more like 3 peat kobe or 08 kobe. People have this misconception that he's one dimensional and that can't be furthest from the truth.

[Jakeh008]

Now the question is...

How can ISH convince the NBA to add 1v1 to allstar weekend

Kobe kyrie needs to happen

[heyhey]

Now the question is...

How can ISH convince the NBA to add 1v1 to allstar weekend

Kobe kyrie needs to happen

most of the modern superstars would be too insecure to enter. Kobe is really the only name player tthat I can see would risk his reputation, Kyrie too, but guys like Lebron who won't even do a dunk contest? come on now

[Anaximandro1]

Kobe seems a smart guy,but sometimes :facepalm


Why have you only won one MVP?

Because I played with Shaq... If I never played with him, my numbers would have been ridiculous.
Yeah 34-48

[QUOTE]Who would you most like to play one-on-one, either active or retired?

Jordan. No question.

What would happen?

I

[SilkkTheShocker]

Thanks for the interview, konex. Really interesting stuff. And Kobe would toast T-Back and Melo one on one. Lets be real. You fans of loser players are hilarious

[LamarOdom]

CavaliersFTW doesn't know what he's talking about, Kobe and Jordan would kill Kareem in one on one because there is this thing called three point line (=2) and it's funny how you keep bringing up that Dr J game, Dr J lived on his athleticism at 42 not much was left, Kobe can shoot threes Dr J couldn't to save his life.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

half court 1-on-1 bigger players will win like kareem. full court kobe/Jordan would do best.

[Money 23]

I wish he played a lil more like 3 peat kobe or 08 kobe. People have this misconception that he's one dimensional and that can't be furthest from the truth.
Don't forget 2003. He brings it on himself though, with his overt agenda and affinity for volume scoring at the expense of the rest of the game. The most successful Kobe was balanced Kobe.

[9erempiree]

*EDIT* here's the link for the FULL game (40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DWaKXaAYA
41 to 23

This is what happens when you put an actual big man vs a "skilled 1 on 1 player". Seriously, anyone who thinks a guard sized player like Kobe would stand a chance 1 on 1 against a guy with Kareems size and skillset is fooling themselves. The size difference is why Kobe couldn't win such a game, there is nothing he could do to even try and wear Kareem out, he'd simply get his shots rejected left and right, and wouldn't be able to stop Kareem.

I'm going to disagree. Dr J is nowhere near the level of Kobe. If Dr. J can do that to Kareem, imagine what Kobe would do to him.

Kobe's a better shooter, quicker and has more offensive game than Dr. J.

Heck, if Dr. J can take Kareem to the distance and wore him out, imagine what Kobe would do.

Kobe would be harassing Kareem all game.

[tmacattack33]

CavaliersFTW doesn't know what he's talking about, Kobe and Jordan would kill Kareem in one on one because there is this thing called three point line (=2) and it's funny how you keep bringing up that Dr J game, Dr J lived on his athleticism at 42 not much was left, Kobe can shoot threes Dr J couldn't to save his life.

A 35% (or even a 40%...which kobe nor MJ has ever even sniffed) 3 pointer would be very low percentage shot for a one on one game.

It's barely an even shot in 5 on 5 basketball...in one on one if you shoot a three pointer, the defender will gladly take it.

[LamarOdom]

A 35% 3 pointer would be very low percentage shot for a one on one game.

It's barely an even shot in 5 on 5 basketball...in one on one if you shoot a three pointer, the defender will gladly take it.

But he is still a threat from there, that means Kareem won't be able to just roam around close to the basket and if he steps out it's game over.

[swag2011]

Don't forget 2003. He brings it on himself though, with his overt agenda and affinity for volume scoring at the expense of the rest of the game. The most successful Kobe was balanced Kobe.

agreed. sometimes it looks like he thinks he can only control a game through shooting/scoring and that's not the truth. While his scoring his absolutely amazing, he's also a great passer/facilitator for a non PG as well as a defender.

[9erempiree]

A 35% 3 pointer would be very low percentage shot for a one on one game.

It's barely an even shot in 5 on 5 basketball...in one on one if you shoot a three pointer, the defender will gladly take it.

These are freaking professional players. In a one on one setting they will drain that 3 point shot with ease.

1on1 setting and a slow footed 7 footer would allow Kobe/MJ to utilize the entire court. If the defender allows the 3, it would be like practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBDATU_bPI&playnext=1&list=PLQyKwYno4I2Ms5co-AeoF22f_ZVo0iVZC&feature=results_main

[CavaliersFTW]

CavaliersFTW doesn't know what he's talking about, Kobe and Jordan would kill Kareem in one on one because there is this thing called three point line (=2) and it's funny how you keep bringing up that Dr J game, Dr J lived on his athleticism at 42 not much was left, Kobe can shoot threes Dr J couldn't to save his life.
jacking up 3's over persons with a 9-5+ standing reach and elite shot blocking/altering ability is almost as terrible an offense as trying to slash to the hoop against said person. Gifted 7 foot HOF'ers >>>> anyone in the NBA 1 on 1. A 6-5 persons shooting skillsets virtually become irrelevent because it's just cartoonish and unfair to put a guard in a half-court man to man game to use their tiny bodies against a giant, it will expose the smaller players every time it would not even be fun to watch it would be an ugly game, an all-time 7 footer would have a field day against an all-time guard

[SilkkTheShocker]

LMFAO Kobe thinks he could take Jordan, a guy 10 spots above him on GOAT lists to the last couple shots and maybe even beat him?!

Hahahahahahahahaha :roll:


If prime Jordan played prime Kobe in 10 games of 1 on 1, Jordan probably wins 6 out of the 10. Kobe gets overrated a lot, but the guy is at worst the 2nd best iso scorer ever.

[IGOTGAME]

A 35% (or even a 40%...which kobe nor MJ has ever even sniffed) 3 pointer would be very low percentage shot for a one on one game.

It's barely an even shot in 5 on 5 basketball...in one on one if you shoot a three pointer, the defender will gladly take it.

my need to work on the math bro. 3 pointers are more effective in one on one because its easier to get into a rhythm and it is worth more relative to the other alternative(2 vs 3 or 1 vs 2)


jacking up 3's over persons with a 9-5+ standing reach and elite shot blocking/altering ability is almost as terrible an offense as trying to slash to the hoop against said person.

There are no 7 footers that have ever played basketball that call effectively contest a 3 pointer and recover to contest a threat of an all time mid range shooter AND an all time great finisher. Sometimes I think people havent played any ball. As a big man you have to give up something, maybe a few things, guarding an explosive guard. No way there are 7 footers coming out to guard Kobe and MJ 25 feet away from the basket. KG had elite mobility as a 7 footer and MJ would blow right by him and take his pick of a mid range jumper or rim attack.

[9erempiree]

conventional wisdom will tell you a bigger guy would beat the smaller guy but 6'6'' with mad handles and range isn't your typical "small" guy.

[9erempiree]

jacking up 3's over persons with a 9-5+ standing reach and elite shot blocking/altering ability is almost as terrible an offense as trying to slash to the hoop against said person. Gifted 7 foot HOF'ers >>>> anyone in the NBA 1 on 1. A 6-5 persons shooting skillsets virtually become irrelevent because it's just cartoonish and unfair to put a guard in a half-court man to man game to use their tiny bodies against a giant, it will expose the smaller players every time it would not even be fun to watch it would be an ugly game, an all-time 7 footer would have a field day against an all-time guard

:facepalm

You must have never played basketball. I'm 6 foot and have ran circles around guys that are 6'6'' and 6'8''. The bigs can't move and if you extend to 3pointers, they commit and try to block it and you blow right by them.

Bigger guys also tend to have weak cardio. No way a 7 footer will beat elite guards such as Kobe and MJ. No freaking way.

[9erempiree]

my need to work on the math bro. 3 pointers are more effective in one on one because its easier to get into a rhythm and it is worth more relative to the other alternative(2 vs 3 or 1 vs 2)

this.

Imagine Kobe and MJ spreading the floor and just hitting every shot insight. This will cause the 7 footer to actually try to contest every shot because they are draining them.

A 7 footer's cardio is very weak. This is just science and nature of the human body.

[CavaliersFTW]

:facepalm

You must have never played basketball. I'm 6 foot and have ran circles around guys that are 6'6'' and 6'8''. The bigs can't move and if you extend to 3pointers, they commit and try to block it and you blow right by them.

Bigger guys also tend to have weak cardio. No way a 7 footer will beat elite guards such as Kobe and MJ. No freaking way.
We're not talking about 6-6 stiffs you faced on a playground

[fpliii]

conventional wisdom will tell you a bigger guy would beat the smaller guy but 6'6'' with mad handles and range isn't your typical "small" guy.

Frobe vs MJ would be fun to watch

[IGOTGAME]

We're not talking about 6-6 stiffs you faced on a playground

lets pick a player. David Robinson, that is a fair one, correct. You telling me that MJ or Kobe wouldnt beat David Robinson.

[9erempiree]

We're not talking about 6-6 stiffs you faced on a playground

NBA 7 footers are basically stiffs compared to elite guards. Can you imagine Kareem or Yao trying to chase the likes of Kobe or Tmac?

Or get there pockets picked when trying dribble?

[CavaliersFTW]

my need to work on the math bro. 3 pointers are more effective in one on one because its easier to get into a rhythm and it is worth more relative to the other alternative(2 vs 3 or 1 vs 2)



There are no 7 footers that have ever played basketball that call effectively contest a 3 pointer and recover to contest a threat of an all time mid range shooter AND an all time great finisher. Sometimes I think people havent played any ball. As a big man you have to give up something, maybe a few things, guarding an explosive guard. No way there are 7 footers coming out to guard Kobe and MJ 25 feet away from the basket. KG had elite mobility as a 7 footer and MJ would blow right by him and take his pick of a mid range jumper or rim attack.
Who's gonna get a 3 point jackers rebounds, it's hilarious that this is even being discussed :roll: Kobe, all 6-4.75 205lbs of him would be able to face up 1 on 1 against someone like 7-1.88 250lb Kareem and "wear him out" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yeah 34-48
http://www.wikinoticia.com/images/espaciodeportes.com/farm4.static.flickr.com.3225.2510762273_f5e3a999fc .jpg

[swag2011]

wow are people still talking about a guard vs a big in one on one?

[CavaliersFTW]

NBA 7 footers are basically stiffs compared to elite guards. Can you imagine Kareem or Yao trying to chase the likes of Kobe or Tmac?

Or get there pockets picked when trying dribble?
their athleticism is NOTHING alike :roll: young Kareem was athletic and could take people off the dribble and play with small forward like agility, Yao has NEVER been able to do things Kareem could do, that's why Kareem is being discussed here not Yao, shit prime Yao is not even as athletic as that 50 year old Kareem from the vid that was posted

[9erempiree]

Who's gonna get a 3 point jackers rebounds, it's hilarious that this is even being discussed :roll: Kobe, all 6-4.75 205lbs of him would be able to face up 1 on 1 against someone like 7-1.88 250lb Kareem and "wear him out" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

easily.

Just dribble circles around the guy. Their stamina will be shot and the fact they have to prevent the mid-range, in which Kobe will drain all day. Pump fakes and up and unders? Done deal.

[IGOTGAME]

Who's gonna get a 3 point jackers rebounds, it's hilarious that this is even being discussed :roll: Kobe, all 6-4.75 205lbs of him would be able to face up 1 on 1 against someone like 7-1.88 250lb Kareem and "wear him out" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Again, you have prob not played much basketball. It is very hard for 7 footers to chase around guards. Just ask prime KG who said the same thing back in Minnesota.

Kareem may be an exception. But, this whole HOF big man would beat any HOF guard stuff is silly.

MJ would shit on KG, McHale, Shaq, DRob, Ewing, Dwight Howard

[DMV2]

[QUOTE]Why have you only won one MVP?

Because I played with Shaq. It

[SilkkTheShocker]

2002-03 T-Mac would give him trouble. Arrogantbe at it again.


Kobe would slaughter T-Back and use his intestines as a hat.

[heyhey]

their athleticism is NOTHING alike :roll: young Kareem was athletic and could take people off the dribble and play with small forward like agility, Yao has NEVER been able to do things Kareem could do, that's why Kareem is being discussed here not Yao, shit prime Yao is not even as athletic as that 50 year old Kareem from the vid that was posted
kareem is the exception that proves the rule. stop bringing him up and try to make the argumen with any other 7fter it wouldn't hold

[fpliii]

their athleticism is NOTHING alike :roll: young Kareem was athletic and could take people off the dribble and play with small forward like agility, Yao has NEVER been able to do things Kareem could do, that's why Kareem is being discussed here not Yao, shit prime Yao is not even as athletic as that 50 year old Kareem from the vid that was posted

Random ?...have you seen any of that Boston-Milwaukee Finals? I don't know if there's any tape around, but if there is I'm interested in your opinion as to how KAJ looked. :cheers:

EDIT: Just found this channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ginoongkamote?feature=watch

[CavaliersFTW]

lets pick a player. David Robinson, that is a fair one, correct. You telling me that MJ or Kobe wouldnt beat David Robinson.
Robinson did not have an elite post-up game, so I would not consider him to be in the same category of unbeatable 1 on 1 big like I'd put Hakeem or Kareem. A HOF big who knows how to throw his weight around near the basket with complete all around skillset and enough touch to shoot from midrange via a post move OR straight face-up off the dribble is what I'm discussing. That kind of player is unbeatable one on one. I see Hakeem or Kareem, or even a Bob Lanier type player being virtually unbeatable in 1 on 1 situations especially vs guards, I don't care if it's prime AI or Kobe or MJ, or whomever, they will get dominated by a "complete" all-time big's overwhelming size and strength. If the big has no holes to exploit in his game you just can't beat them. The will overwhelm an NBA guard 1 on 1. Imagine if a guard had to go against prime Hakeem/Kareem in the post :oldlol: game over, it's a dunk or layup almost every time, a much higher % shot than a guard trying to jack up shots with a big's 7-5+ wingspan and towering height and strong legs holding the guard to terrible shot selection

[crisoner]

:oldlol: Is he really trying to say he was on Shaq's level when they played together? :roll:

He was better then Shaq towards the end.

How old are you?

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook beats Kobe 10 times out of 10 1 on 1 :facepalm


Kobe = most delusional athlete of all time? :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

He was better then Shaq towards the end.

How old are you?

No, he wasn't.

[DMV2]

He was better then Shaq towards the end.

How old are you?
He wasn't even on Shaq's level during the 2004 Finals appearance season. But he thought he was and costed his team the championship.

And this is really comical:
I sacrificed a lot playing with him. I really did. I did it for the success of the team.
The 2004 Finals really showed it. LMAO. He did it for the success of the team, my ass! He wanted a Finals MVP.

[9erempiree]

Robinson did not have an elite post-up game, so I would not consider him to be in the same category of unbeatable 1 on 1 big like I'd put Hakeem or Kareem. A HOF big who knows how to throw his weight around near the basket with complete all around skillset and enough touch to shoot from midrange via a post move OR straight face-up off the dribble is what I'm discussing. That kind of player is unbeatable one on one. I see Hakeem or Kareem, or even a Bob Lanier type player being virtually unbeatable in 1 on 1 situations especially vs guards, I don't care if it's prime AI or Kobe or MJ, or whomever, they will get dominated by a "complete" all-time big's overwhelming size and strength. If the big has no holes to exploit in his game you just can't beat them. The will overwhelm an NBA guard 1 on 1. Imagine if a guard had to go against prime Hakeem/Kareem in the post :oldlol: game over, it's a dunk or layup almost every time, a much higher % shot than a guard trying to jack up shots with a big's 7-5+ wingspan and towering height and strong legs holding the guard to terrible shot selection

Let me ask you this.....

How is your "big" going to cover a guy like MJ or Kobe? Come out and get blown by? Let them take the open jumper?

Bigs tend to have weak stamina. Let's not forget this when playing one on one. It takes a lot of energy out of you.

[IGOTGAME]

Robinson did not have an elite post-up game, so I would not consider him to be in the same category of unbeatable 1 on 1 big like I'd put Hakeem or Kareem. A HOF big who knows how to throw his weight around near the basket with complete all around skillset and enough touch to shoot from midrange via a post move OR straight face-up off the dribble is what I'm discussing. That kind of player is unbeatable one on one. I see Hakeem or Kareem, or even a Bob Lanier type player being virtually unbeatable in 1 on 1 situations especially vs guards, I don't care if it's prime AI or Kobe or MJ, or whomever, they will get dominated by a "complete" all-time big's overwhelming size and strength. If the big has no holes to exploit in his game you just can't beat them. The will overwhelm an NBA guard 1 on 1. Imagine if a guard had to go against prime Hakeem/Kareem in the post :oldlol: game over, it's a dunk or layup almost every time, a much higher % shot than a guard trying to jack up shots with a big's 7-5+ wingspan and towering height and strong legs holding the guard to terrible shot selection

Again, exception doesn't equal the rule. Everyone has guys that they would have trouble against in 1 on 1. Just like boxing styles make fights.

But, this whole HOF Big man beats HOF guard stuff is silly. There are a ton of HOF bigs with elite post games that MJ or Kobe or Lebron would shit on.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

He wasn't even on Shaq's level during the 2004 Finals appearance season. But he thought he was and costed his team the championship.

And this is really comical:
The 2004 Finals really showed it. LMAO. He did it for the success of the team, my ass! He wanted a Finals MVP.

He's talking about when the Lakers won 3 straight titles. The kind of numbers Kobe put up after Shaq left is the kind of stuff he could have done in the early 2000s but he sacrificed his game to play within the system Phil wanted.

And outside of the '04 Finals, During their last 2 seasons together Kobe was arguably better than Shaq as Kobe was entering his prime and Shaq was starting to get old/injured and out of shape.

[LebronairJAMES]

jacking up 3's over persons with a 9-5+ standing reach and elite shot blocking/altering ability is almost as terrible an offense as trying to slash to the hoop against said person. Gifted 7 foot HOF'ers >>>> anyone in the NBA 1 on 1. A 6-5 persons shooting skillsets virtually become irrelevent because it's just cartoonish and unfair to put a guard in a half-court man to man game to use their tiny bodies against a giant, it will expose the smaller players every time it would not even be fun to watch it would be an ugly game, an all-time 7 footer would have a field day against an all-time guard
:biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

Again, exception doesn't equal the rule. Everyone has guys that they would have trouble against in 1 on 1. Just like boxing styles make fights.

But, this whole HOF Big man beats HOF guard stuff is silly. There are a ton of HOF bigs with elite post games that MJ or Kobe or Lebron would shit on.
Kobe and MJ are also "exceptions to the rule" pal, therefore I'm comparing apples to apples as far as all-time "complete" bigs vs all time "complete" guards goes. There is no guard in NBA history, no matter how complete their game was, who would beat a peak equally all-around talent 7 footer

[CavaliersFTW]

Random ?...have you seen any of that Boston-Milwaukee Finals? I don't know if there's any tape around, but if there is I'm interested in your opinion as to how KAJ looked. :cheers:

EDIT: Just found this channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ginoongkamote?feature=watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjOgUYNPmM

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE]As far as one-on-one, I

[TheBigVeto]

Makingshitupbe.

[IGOTGAME]

Kobe and MJ are also "exceptions to the rule" I'm comparing apples to apples as far as all-time "complete" bigs vs all time "complete" guards goes. There is no guard in NBA history, no matter how complete their game was, who would beat peak all around-game NBA 7 footers

MJ and Kobe are the best at what they do but they arent exceptions to the rule. There are guys that can move just as good and present the same mismatches problems. Not so much for a guy like Kareem or Hakeem.

Instead of Kobe or MJ you could put Wade, West, T-Mac, Penny, Lebron, Hill, Melo, Durant, Westbrook etc. against a lot of these HOF 7 footers with post games.

[heyhey]

Kobe and MJ are also "exceptions to the rule" pal, therefore I'm comparing apples to apples as far as all-time "complete" bigs vs all time "complete" guards goes. There is no guard in NBA history, no matter how complete their game was, who would beat a peak equally all-around talent 7 footer

well no shiet, but that's like saying a 7ft MJ would beat a 6ft6 MJ

the fact is there are no equally all around talented 7 fters on par of a MJ or Kobe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Charles Barkley would beat kobe 1-on-1 half-court as well.

[guy]

Also thought it was kind of wrong for Kobe to be so pompous about the MVP thing. Like listen, you didn't get MVPs but you got rings to bolster your resume. It's a trade off.


Not to mention his reasoning was somewhat bullsh*t. Dude sounded like he was giving excuses. Kobe not having MVPs all because of Shaq is one of the most overblown and misguided things said about him. I'm actually surprised that someone like him entertains that idea and uses it as an excuse. I thought it was only his fans.

[CavaliersFTW]

well no shiet, but that's like saying a 7ft MJ would beat a 6ft6 MJ

the fact is there are no equally all around talented 7 fters on par of a MJ or Kobe
:roll: :applause:

good one kid!

Hakeem, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore etc - all have zero weaknesses a 6-5 player even of MJ or Kobe's level could beneficially exploit in a 1 on 1 game, they would all diesel and overwhelm the sh*t out of MJ and Kobe with their 1 on 1 post-scoring and basket protecting defense. Would be an ugly game, "complete" 7 footers >>>> "complete" 6 foot five guards, even if they are "kobe or MJ!". Sorry, but even the NBA's all-time 6-5 players are gonna get molested out there by the NBA's all-time 7 footers.

[fpliii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjOgUYNPmM

Thanks.

Where do you rank that season against his other prime years?

[9erempiree]

Charles Barkley would beat kobe 1-on-1 half-court as well.

lol.

Barkley isn't even in this discussion.

[HurricaneKid]

[QUOTE=KOBE]Why have you only won one MVP?

Because I played with Shaq. It

[IGOTGAME]

Not to mention his reasoning was somewhat bullsh*t. Dude sounded like he was giving excuses. Kobe not having MVPs all because of Shaq is one of the most overblown and misguided things said about him.

really, during that time voters said they wouldn't vote for him because Shaq was on his team. If you look at Kobe's career he didn't have a good team during his physical peak or he was playing with Shaq. He didn't get a good squad after Shaq until after his knee surgery between 2005-2006 and 2006-2007. After that knee surgery he was never the same.

[9erempiree]

:roll: :applause:

good one kid!

Hakeem, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore etc - all have zero weaknesses a 6-5 player even of MJ or Kobe's level could beneficially exploit in a 1 on 1 game, they would all diesel and overwhelm the sh*t out of MJ and Kobe with their 1 on 1 post-scoring and basket protecting defense. Would be an ugly game, "complete" 7 footers >>>> "complete" 6 foot five guards, even if they are "kobe or MJ!". Sorry, but even the NBA's all-time 6-5 players are gonna get molested out there by the NBA's all-time 7 footers.

:facepalm

Next you are going to tell me they can't shoot 3's or shoot their mid-range because the 7 footers are so good at protecting the basket that goaltending would be allowed.

They can sit back in the paint all they want. That pull up mid range is going to end everything.

Come out and contest the 3? Get blown by and get dunked on.

[CavaliersFTW]

Charles Barkley would beat kobe 1-on-1 half-court as well.
In a half court game, I actually agree, for similar reasons all time 7 footers could dominate Kobe in a half court game. Kobe can't hope to contain them in the post, and that's where the highest % baskets are to be made. Only thing is could Barkley defend well 1 on 1? That I'm not sure about

[crisoner]

Hey guys...I'm starting to really think that girl in the Eagle hotel said NO.
But only after Kobe stuck his c0ck in her a$$.

She just did not like ****.

[9erempiree]

Also, a complete 7 footer still has more holes in their game than a complete wing player.

The equalizer would be the 3pt shot that these Centers are going to get killed against.

[9erempiree]

In a half court game, I actually agree, for similar reasons all time 7 footers could dominate Kobe in a half court game. Kobe can't hope to contain them in the post, and that's where the highest % baskets are to be made. Only thing is could Barkley defend well 1 on 1? That I'm not sure about

All you keep posting is how the centers would dominate inside but you have yet to explain how a slow footed 7 feet center is going to guard the likes of Kobe and MJ.

Centers will lose due to the lack of stamina when it comes to chasing these "smaller" players.

[heyhey]

:roll: :applause:

good one kid!

Hakeem, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore etc - all have zero weaknesses a 6-5 player even of MJ or Kobe's level could beneficially exploit in a 1 on 1 game, they would all diesel and overwhelm the sh*t out of MJ and Kobe with their 1 on 1 post-scoring and basket protecting defense. Would be an ugly game, "complete" 7 footers >>>> "complete" 6 foot five guards, even if they are "kobe or MJ!". Sorry, but even the NBA's all-time 6-5 players are gonna get molested out there by the NBA's all-time 7 footers.
:biggums:

zero weakness? how about not dribbling with their back to the basket? how about shooting out to the three point line? how about taking a guy off the dribble?

Kobe and MJ would force them to pick up their dribble within a second of them touching the ball and they be forced into a bad shot

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQA4w1qwfFc

dem post moves.

[longtime lurker]

Not to mention his reasoning was somewhat bullsh*t. Dude sounded like he was giving excuses. Kobe not having MVPs all because of Shaq is one of the most overblown and misguided things said about him. I'm actually surprised that someone like him entertains that idea and uses it as an excuse. I thought it was only his fans.

MVP is a lot about perception due to the media voting. Shaq would have more MVPs if he didn't play with Kobe. So why wouldn't it work the opposite way?

[kurple]

way to confident. Prime Jordan would shit on him, maybe he could take jordan now

[Heavincent]

[QUOTE]It was genius. Absolutely incredible. Everything by Quentin Tarantino usually is, but this took it to another level. It

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums:

zero *exploitable* weakness? how about not dribbling with their back to the basket? how about shooting out to the three point line? how about taking a guy off the dribble?

Kobe and MJ would force them to pick up their dribble within a second of them touching the ball and they be forced into a bad shot
Tell me, if Kareem has his back to MJ/Kobe and is dribbling, how again is he vulnerable/exploitable? In order to play 1 on 1 are u supposed to only abide by "face-up game" skills? A big man posting u up is far far more effective than a little man trying to beat you off the dribble... how is this even a debate :lol Kobe fans are really starting to reach with these arguments

[9erempiree]

:biggums:

zero weakness? how about not dribbling with their back to the basket? how about shooting out to the three point line? how about taking a guy off the dribble?

Kobe and MJ would force them to pick up their dribble within a second of them touching the ball and they be forced into a bad shot

Basically this.

Force the steal and they will immediately pick up their dribble.

It's over for the bigs. Like I mentioned earlier, there is a reason why bigs get fed the ball. They are not dribbling circles around these elite perimeter defenders.

The bigs may be a great inside the paint defender but nobody has mentioned how great of a perimeter defenders these guards are. There is no way these centers will even get inside since they get the ball checked to them on the 3pt line.:oldlol:

[9erempiree]

Tell me, if Kareem has his back to MJ/Kobe and is dribbling, how again is he vulnerable/exploitable? In order to play 1 on 1 are u supposed to only abide by "face-up game" skills? A big man posting u up is far far more effective than a little man trying to beat you off the dribble... how is this even a debate :lol Kobe fans are really starting to reach with these arguments

Perimeter play holds his ground. What are they going to do? Bulldoze through it?:facepalm Which is a foul and will get called on.

They will eventually have to dribble around or past these defenders and risk the ball getting stolen against these greatest of all time perimeter defenders. I doubt they even get a good shot off without getting into the paint.

[CavaliersFTW]

Basically this.

Force the steal and they will immediately pick up their dribble.

It's over for the bigs. Like I mentioned earlier, there is a reason why bigs get fed the ball. They are not dribbling circles around these elite perimeter defenders.

The bigs may be a great inside the paint defender but nobody has mentioned how great of a perimeter defenders these guards are. There is no way these centers will even get inside since they get the ball checked to them on the 3pt line.:oldlol:
Guard defenses (aka weak-side helpers/passing lane specialists) are 100% useless against a 7 footer posting them up in a 1 on 1 situation

[9erempiree]

Guard defenses (aka weak-side helpers/passing lane specialists) are 100% useless against a 7 footer posting them up in a 1 on 1 situation

Against one on one defenders, I highly doubt the centers can even get into the post for one of their favorite shots.

They will pick up that dibble so fast.

[memetherapy]

I hate myself for saying this...but, if I had to bet on who would win a one on one, I'd take Kobe above anyone. A lot of you fail to appreciate how much of an advantage streaky shooters with a patented fadeway have. That's why I'd include MJ, Vince, T-Mac and Durant in the conversation...but I'd take Kobe over them. Vince is as streaky and unblockable as Kobe, but his piss-poor lateral movement would spell his demise. T-Mac, same thing, but to a lesser extent. Durant and MJ's only disadvantage is their need for a little space to get a good shot off. Don't get me wrong, they both can shoot fadeways with the best of them...but they shoot better when open. Kobe, on the other hand, and Vince and T-Mac as well, have a tendency to be on or off whether a hand is in their face or not.

It seems stupid to punish MJ and Durant for taking better higher percentage shots...but in a one on one with these players, space will be hard to come by and I'll take the guy who thrives making difficult shots. It's damn close though... MJ's defense is better and Durant's extra length can be a factor, but I'll stick with the guy who can make the hardest shots, because streakiness is everything in a one on one when comparing elite players.

EDIT: Forget about KG...He could actually be tougher than Kobe. He'll bother more shots and his release point is just as high. If he gets hot, he might be the hardest to beat.

[guy]

really, during that time voters said they wouldn't vote for him because Shaq was on his team. If you look at Kobe's career he didn't have a good team during his physical peak or he was playing with Shaq. He didn't get a good squad after Shaq until after his knee surgery between 2005-2006 and 2006-2007. After that knee surgery he was never the same.

A few reasons.

First of all, after this season, it will be 9 seasons without Shaq. I'd say overall these past 9 seasons he's played significantly at a higher level then he did those first 8 seasons with Shaq, yet he only has 1 MVP. 9 seasons is plenty of time to have gotten more then 1.

Second, from 97-00, half his time with Shaq, he wasn't even an MVP caliber player. Then from 01-04, he missed way too many games in 2 of those seasons, 01 and 04, due to injury which has nothing to do with Shaq. So really, you're really only talking about 02 and 03 where Shaq really may have been a difference and he would've had to win over Duncan, who was a better player then Kobe and was at his absolute peak. And even in those 2 years, Shaq missed alot of games, and Kobe in 03 was given an opportunity to be the Lakers primary option and they really didn't have that great of a season.

Third, he says he would've been putting up ridiculous numbers without Shaq, implying he would've won more MVPs as a result. Well, the seasons he put up ridiculous numbers without Shaq were 06 and 07 where he had almost no help playing with a bunch of scrubs. They weren't a good team. If he was putting up those type of numbers earlier in his career, it probably would've been on a bad team without much success, and we all know MVPs usually only go to players that are leading their teams to a great record, and that usually requires more help which would deflate Kobe's numbers.

After 07 once Kobe teams improved, his numbers haven't been much different then what they were when Kobe was elite and playing with Shaq from 01-04. Hypothetically speaking, lets say Kobe doesn't play with Shaq but has enough talent around him to make up for his absence, lets say for example that he had the equivalent of Gasol and Odom back then to make up for Shaq, and Kobe ends up with the same stats he had, Lakers have the same records they had, but Kobe is the best player on his team this time. Is Kobe winning MVP over AI, Duncan, and KG at the time? Probably not, especially if he still gets injured like he did.

Fourth, bringing up how the team was catered to Shaq and how Kobe sacrificed for him is basically admitting that Shaq was a more valuable player. So he's basically saying the reason he didn't win was cause of a player that was better then him. How is that some legit excuse? He shouldn't even bring it up.

I'm not saying Kobe wouldn't have won more MVPs if he didn't play with Shaq. Maybe he would've. Its just an overblown excuse that shouldn't be brought up cause he could've very well have not won any, and you can think of different scenarios for plenty of players where they would've won more MVPs then they did.

[guy]

MVP is a lot about perception due to the media voting. Shaq would have more MVPs if he didn't play with Kobe. So why wouldn't it work the opposite way?

Actually, I'm really not sure Shaq would've.

[red1]

kobe is the god of 1on1. I learned all of my head and body fakes from kobe, the little twitch things that he does everytime he catches it

[9erempiree]

kobe is the god of 1on1. I learned all of my head and body fakes from kobe, the little twitch things that he does everytime he catches it

this.

I know you dislike Kobe but I'm glad even you have modeled your game after him.

This post is really telling of how good Kobe is in a 1 on 1 game.

[red1]

this.

I know you dislike Kobe but I'm glad even you have modeled your game after him.

This post is really telling of how good Kobe is in a 1 on 1 game.
I dont dislike kobe I actually like him a lot

[pauk]

Way to over-confident with those comments mr Bryant, to an almost disrespectful degree... "I am the best ever to do it"...

[9erempiree]

Way to over-confident with those comments mr Bryant, to an almost disrespectful degree... "I am the best ever to do it"...

He's right in a sense. While most players play full court in the off season, Kobe plays 1 on 1.

This isn't hard to comprehend especially since he's quite the loner and very anti-social.

[joeyjoejoe]

Not a kobe fan thats for sure but can imagine him bein a very good 1 on 1 player with his skills and being so competetive but prime mj would take any version of kobe

[9erempiree]

Not a kobe fan thats for sure but can imagine him bein a very good 1 on 1 player with his skills and being so competetive but prime mj would take any version of kobe

Jordan's game doesn't translate to being a good 1 on 1 player. As good as he was, that was on the full court and open court where he relied on his athleticism.

Put in a half court, his game doesn't translate to that of Bryant.

[Calabis]

Let's be real here, not many guys are going to **** with Kobe in a 1 on 1 game. No weakness on offense and in a 1 on 1 setting, he's not exerting the same type of energy in a game.....therefore you will be facing a lockdown defender...be a very difficult matchup for 99% of the league

[eliteballer]

[QUOTE]What about Kyrie Irving?

[Huge smile, laugh.] Kyrie

[devin112]

I've seen vids of Kobe playing one on one with some HS kid at one of his camps, some asian street ball player in the philippines, and some bum that JD brought, yet the self proclaimed greatest one on one player won't play Kyrie? His excuse is that Kyrie isn't worthy? lol or too young?

I think Kobe still stands a good chance to win, but without question Kyrie will make him look stupid multiple times in the game and that's why he won't accept his challenge.

[Calabis]

Jordan's game doesn't translate to being a good 1 on 1 player. As good as he was, that was on the full court and open court where he relied on his athleticism.

Put in a half court, his game doesn't translate to that of Bryant.

:facepalm

But the guy who copied his offensive game, who is slower and less athletic is the GOAT of 1 on 1??...Ref the half court game...that is the most idiotic statement I've seen in a long time here

[red1]

9erempire, quit being such a f*cking f*gg*t

[stevieming]

Let me ask you this.....

How is your "big" going to cover a guy like MJ or Kobe? Come out and get blown by? Let them take the open jumper?

Bigs tend to have weak stamina. Let's not forget this when playing one on one. It takes a lot of energy out of you.

you forgot the Dream, Hakeem can defend guards, and his post game is ridiculous. I think he could beat MJ and KObe one on one, as once Hakeem gets into the paint, it would be over, and he could probably easily score 10 points in a row.

[stevieming]

:facepalm

You must have never played basketball. I'm 6 foot and have ran circles around guys that are 6'6'' and 6'8''. The bigs can't move and if you extend to 3pointers, they commit and try to block it and you blow right by them.

Bigger guys also tend to have weak cardio. No way a 7 footer will beat elite guards such as Kobe and MJ. No freaking way.

You've obviously never played at a high enough level to meet great athletes at that height.

I've played against plenty of 6"6 guys who although with my initial step I get by them, they are fast enough and long enough to catch up and block or make the layup difficult.

[stevieming]

lol.

Barkley isn't even in this discussion.

haha, agree and I love CB and he would not beat Kobe one on one.

[STATUTORY]

you forgot the Dream, Hakeem can defend guards, and his post game is ridiculous. I think he could beat MJ and KObe one on one, as once Hakeem gets into the paint, it would be over, and he could probably easily score 10 points in a row.
how the hell is he gonna get into the paint without breaking the 5 second rule?

[Money 23]

Jordan's game doesn't translate to being a good 1 on 1 player
Lol wut? Kobe molded his game after Jordan. Specifically his jumper, mid range game, footwork, shoulder fakes, pump fakes and post game. You act like MJ exclusively scored in fast break or transition.

Now I know you're either dumb, or just started watching the game a few years ago, but this is inexcusable. MJ had all the skill in half court Kobe has, but was light years quicker and could get to the rim AT WILL. His first step was lighting fast, especially compared to Kobe's. Even @ 35 years old.

Kobe is less versatile in that he isn't as strong a finisher, or the athlete like MJ to finish at the rim. He settles for jumpers. MJ could give you daggers, or get to the hole and finish.

Thus, the better offensive player.

[STATUTORY]

Lol wut? Kobe molded his game after Jordan. You act like MJ exclusively scored in fast break or transition.

Now I know you're either dumb, or just started watching the game a few years ago, but this is inexcusable. MJ had all the skill in half court Kobe has, but was light years quicker and could get to the rim AT WILL. Even @ 35 years old.

Kobe is less versatile in that he isn't as strong a finisher, or the athlete like MJ to finish at the rim. He settles for jumpers. MJ could give you daggers, or get to the hole and finish.

Thus, the better offensive player.

MJ was not light years quicker than Kobe, MJ faced single cover defense and no zone and thus was able to get to the rim with a simple move. Kobe is playing against systematic defensive schemes that did not exist at time of MJ's dominance. Frobe finished at the rim at will, he doesn't "settle" for jumpers, he just has a more versatile game.

If Kobe played MJ 1 on 1 I have no doubt Kobe would win more often than not. Kobe knows all of MJ's moves better than MJ knows them himself

[red1]

MJ was not light years quicker than Kobe, MJ faced single cover defense and no zone and thus was able to get to the rim with a simple move. Kobe is playing against systematic defensive schemes that did not exist at time of MJ's dominance. Frobe finished at the rim at will, he doesn't "settle" for jumpers, he just has a more versatile game.

If Kobe played MJ 1 on 1 I have no doubt Kobe would win more often than not. Kobe knows all of MJ's moves better than MJ knows them himself
Go watch early 90s jordan. Full games are on youtube. Dont post another comment untill you have

[Pointguard]

To me Jordan would beat anybody. The game gets a bit redundant and unfocused for a few minutes. Jordan has great focus and would kick somebody in their nuts if they started winning. He has a great middle game and his first and second step would destroy the seven footers. He woud reverse layup them death. You can't push up on him at all and he would hit the jumper at 75%. In one on one you hit at a higher percentage because your defender is the only defender and you know where he is at. Too much predator in him and Kobe, they will figure the oponent out.

Hakeem would be second because he has quick feet, great post moves and quickness. Is quick, strong, fast, versatile, skilled and with great touch. Can recover fast and also keep a player off balance.

Kobe would be third. He's alot like Jordan tho his first and second step aren't as explosive. But his determination and pride would do the other things necessary to win. Has great range and too many moves. Plus the intensity of the attack is what separates a lot of close people in one on games.

Kareem's problem would be boredom, lack of speed, and perhaps not adjusting. Lebron's problem would be a lack of post moves as creativity becomes big in one on one. But he is idea for one on one in terms of speed, power, strength, quickness and height.

[stevieming]

how the hell is he gonna get into the paint without breaking the 5 second rule?

Well seeing as how he probably only needs a few dribbles from the three point line to get there, I don't really see a problem.

[stevieming]

Go watch early 90s jordan. Full games are on youtube. Dont post another comment untill you have

Totally. MJ was stupidly fast/acceleration/explosion/lateral movement for his height, all those attribute exceeds Kobe's.

[talamo]

half court 1 on 1 game :facepalm
who the fuq plays a full court 1 on 1 game :coleman:

[Money 23]

Myth. Jordan faced both man defense and zones ... destroyed both. He was a superior catch and shoot / give and go player because of his superior basketball intelligence, so zones gave no hinderance to MJ's game.

Pistons / Knicks / Cavs used to always zone up on MJ. And tackle him or trip if he get past them off the dribble. MJ faced all kinds of soft zones, schemes Kobe faces. Double and triple teams, it didn't matter. Neither did the physical punishment, that has all but vanished from the game.

And since MJ was the more durable player, he could handle the physical punishment.

By extension MJ knows Kobe's moves. After all he copied Jordan's arsenal. Put prime Jordan in front of him, in all his peak athletic glory and he'd give Kobe fits with his man defense, lateral quickness, and anticipation.

I'd see them both winning games, makes no difference. Both would beat each other depending on the situation. It's not a big deal. Even Kobe realizes this, yet with every other player he talked about playing 1 v 1 with he'd said he'd destroy.

That's him basically ceding he can't beat Jordan hands down. The mere fact a hyper competitor admitted someone else would be able to beat him and he wouldn't know the end result means he's acknowledging he could lose.

Kobe needs to settle too much for contested jumpers, where as MJ can give you jumpers, and finish at the rim because he's physically the superior player. Thus, Jordan is better.

LMAO @ MJ not being the obviously quicker, faster, more capable physical player. MJ was blinding fast, and much quicker than Kobe.

[red1]

Totally. MJ was stupidly fast/acceleration/explosion/lateral movement for his height, all those attribute exceeds Kobe's.
Jordan is the same player as kobe just more explosive. Kobe is a good athlete too but jordan is top 3 all-time

[Money 23]

Jordan is the same player as kobe just more explosive. Kobe is a good athlete too but jordan is top 3 all-time
Seriously. Go watch the guy at his absolute peak from '89 - '93.

BLINDING speed, strong, could finish at will at the rim. While still maintaining all the skills that make Kobe even comparable to Jordan.

Wait till Loki comes in here and posts a clip of Jordan slicing a double team off the dribble from the Knicks near half court, and making it to the rim for a dunk within a blink of an eye.

[JoshCoward]

I remember VC giving Kobe some tough time when he was with the Nets. But 1 on 1 is whole different game. Prime Kobe would be up there with the best. I reckon Durant would do well in these types of game too.

[eliteballer]

Jordan's not faster....Jim Cleamons said Kobe is.

[ihoopallday]

MJ was not light years quicker than Kobe, MJ faced single cover defense and no zone and thus was able to get to the rim with a simple move. Kobe is playing against systematic defensive schemes that did not exist at time of MJ's dominance. Frobe finished at the rim at will, he doesn't "settle" for jumpers, he just has a more versatile game.

If Kobe played MJ 1 on 1 I have no doubt Kobe would win more often than not. Kobe knows all of MJ's moves better than MJ knows them himself

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21987082.jpg

[stevieming]

I think people's impression of MJ is the second three peat MJ, where he slowed up a lot, and that's who they compare young Kobe with.

They don't realise how freakishly fast young MJ was, in fact I didn't until I went and watched a fair few full games and highlights of young MJ....I am talking even before he won the first three championships.

[Lebron23]

I love to see them replace the Skills Challenge with a 1 on 1 contest.

[stevieming]

I love to see them replace the Skills Challenge with a 1 on 1 contest.

yeah definitely.

I think the all star players should nominate one from their own team.

So on top of east vs west all star game, there's also a east vs west one on one.

That would be wicked!

Best of three to 11, 3s and 2s. Don't want to make it too long, it would get boring.

[Magic bird]

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/17075/kobe-bryant-talks-mj-lebron-django



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&t=0m26s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2NR49VaKk&feature=related&t=7m28s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcavL9I3cQ&feature=related&t=5m37s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8PbS-a7BHk&t=1m33s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=5m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnuTM0kpcek&t=0m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn5qhR9cvU&feature=related&t=0m4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfoHzbqJxbw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wprY9UVpMc&t=3m35s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv52J8anZVE&t=0m19s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29FOZesG1yg&feature=related&t=2m47s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=8m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc&feature=channel_video_title&t=8m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2NR49VaKk&feature=related&t=11m40s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKSl_7aW6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoyPZDCzrXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fW3Ilc8Y_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAD8NEDxrxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc&feature=channel_video_title&t=9m53s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsNXdP4Kgro&t=1m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XyA06_8cO8&t=4m44s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=8m45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN1NzISPi0M&t=5m16s

MJ beats him handedly in a best of 7.

[Just2McFly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4cE1XXLI7M&t=2m07s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qp_1OonQm8&t=5m54s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKUKgVNyOOg&t=0m01s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8PbS-a7BHk&t=1m33s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4&t=2m34s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=relate&t=0m25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0RFja2znY&t=4m08s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&t=0m26s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2NR49VaKk&feature=related&t=7m28s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcavL9I3cQ&feature=related&t=5m37s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8PbS-a7BHk&t=1m33s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=5m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnuTM0kpcek&t=0m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn5qhR9cvU&feature=related&t=0m4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfoHzbqJxbw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wprY9UVpMc&t=3m35s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv52J8anZVE&t=0m19s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29FOZesG1yg&feature=related&t=2m47s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=8m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc&feature=channel_video_title&t=8m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2NR49VaKk&feature=related&t=11m40s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKSl_7aW6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoyPZDCzrXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fW3Ilc8Y_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAD8NEDxrxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc&feature=channel_video_title&t=9m53s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsNXdP4Kgro&t=1m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XyA06_8cO8&t=4m44s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKb72yyyeI&t=8m45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN1NzISPi0M&t=5m16s
:bowdown: @ all the untitled links that you stupidly think people are going to watch

[red1]

Jordan's not faster....Jim Cleamons said Kobe is.
Not even. Just watch for yourself. Young jordan is obviously faster than young kobe

[Graviton]

"When was the last time you pumped your own gas?

Yesterday. I do all of life

[Magic bird]

I love to see them replace the Skills Challenge with a 1 on 1 contest.
:bowdown:

[jaydacris]

[QUOTE=Graviton]"When was the last time you pumped your own gas?

Yesterday. I do all of life

[PJR]

T-Mac is saying Kobe is a lying motherfvker on twitter.

Said dudes never even crossed paths in Germany.

[9erempiree]

T-Mac is saying Kobe is a lying motherfvker on twitter.

Said dudes never even crossed paths in Germany.

kobe is a boss.

The man dont even know who tmac was. Probably forgets about the exact location considering all the guys
he beaten.

[tpols]

T-Mac is saying Kobe is a lying motherfvker on twitter.

Said dudes never even crossed paths in Germany.
Kobe would destroy Big-mac. Next.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

T-Mac is saying Kobe is a lying motherfvker on twitter.

Said dudes never even crossed paths in Germany.

Just checked his Twitter and I didn't see anything pertaining to that story. Where are you getting this from?

Nvm just saw his reply to somebody talking about it.

[Calabis]

Jordan's not faster....Jim Cleamons said Kobe is.

Yeah and at 34 most of the league still felt this way, but keep telling yourself Kobe was

[I]Not too long ago this poll of one representative from each of the league's 29 teams would have been a waste of time. Only one player would have received votes: Chicago's Michael Jordan, of course. But while Jordan's reign as the NBA's most explosive player continues

[HardwoodLegend]

Thanks for the interview, konex. Really interesting stuff. And Kobe would toast T-Back and Melo one on one. Lets be real. You fans of loser players are hilarious

Kobe was a loser player when he found himself in a similar disadvantaged team situation.

[devin112]

:bowdown: @ all the untitled links that you stupidly think people are going to watch

That's his *********ion mixtape

[ClutchOver9000]

I know Kobe has achieved what is essentially a legendary reputation for 1v1 play but lets not go overboard.

Melo would take him. He'd be too big, too strong, too physical. Post up all day. And Durant would take him as well. He'd be too tall, and too long. He'd rain jumpers over him all day.

But you gotta admire Kobe's supreme confidence...

[DuMa]

Shut down by LBJ in the closing minutes and KObe didnt even want to check him.

[strifed169]

LBJ would destroy Kobe in a 1v1 so bad

[Indian guy]

It doesn't surprise me that he roasted T-Mac. He was so mentally fragile. And Kobe would beat everyone they asked him about in that interview, with the exception of LeBron. No way can he guard peak LeBron('09/'10) 1-on-1. He's giving up 2 inches and 50 pounds. No chance. LeBron on the other hand CAN guard Kobe.

btw, how the **** did they not ever play a single 1-on-1 game despite being teammates on 3 Team USA teams('07, '08 and '12)?

[JoshCoward]

McGrady Denies Ever Playing Kobe One-On-One In Germany
Jan 17, 2013 10:01 PM EST

Kobe Bryant told ESPN on Thursday that he beat Tracy McGrady in a one-on-one game early in their careers during a promotional tour in Germany.

"When I was about 20, we were in Germany doing some promotional stuff for that other sneaker company and we played basketball every day," said Bryant. "We were in the gym all the time. We played three games of one-on-one to 11. I won all three games. One game I won 11-2. After the third game he said he had back spasms and couldn’t play anymore."

McGrady heard about Bryant's version of the story and responded on Twitter.

"LOL Hell no! That's far from the truth. No one in the NBA is playing 1 on 1. Me and KB never went to Germany together either.."
Via Daniel Buerge/Lakers Nation

So WTF is the truth?

[Noob Saibot]

It doesn't surprise me that he roasted T-Mac. He was so mentally fragile. And Kobe would beat everyone they asked him about in that interview, with the exception of LeBron. No way can he guard peak LeBron('09/'10) 1-on-1. He's giving up 2 inches and 50 pounds. No chance. LeBron on the other hand CAN guard Kobe.

btw, how the **** did they not ever play a single 1-on-1 game despite being teammates on 3 Team USA teams('07, '08 and '12)?

probably because LeBron would beat them all. And if im TMac, id challenge Kobe 1 on 1 in the following summer like Bryon Russell did Michael Jordan a few years back.

[BrickingStar]

Kobe litterally never made a shot in Lebrons face after lebron switched on him in the final 3 minutes and he never decided to guard the best player on the floor lebron tonight :lol Why are they talking about 1 on 1 if he won't take the challenge on :lol

[red1]

It doesn't surprise me that he roasted T-Mac. He was so mentally fragile. And Kobe would beat everyone they asked him about in that interview, with the exception of LeBron. No way can he guard peak LeBron('09/'10) 1-on-1. He's giving up 2 inches and 50 pounds. No chance. LeBron on the other hand CAN guard Kobe.

btw, how the **** did they not ever play a single 1-on-1 game despite being teammates on 3 Team USA teams('07, '08 and '12)?
I actually agree about 09/10 lbj being able to make kobe work. He had the quicks to guard him and blow by him, all he would have to do is make some open jumpers to really open up his game

[Asukal]

:roll: :applause:

good one kid!

Hakeem, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore etc - all have zero weaknesses a 6-5 player even of MJ or Kobe's level could beneficially exploit in a 1 on 1 game, they would all diesel and overwhelm the sh*t out of MJ and Kobe with their 1 on 1 post-scoring and basket protecting defense. Would be an ugly game, "complete" 7 footers >>>> "complete" 6 foot five guards, even if they are "kobe or MJ!". Sorry, but even the NBA's all-time 6-5 players are gonna get molested out there by the NBA's all-time 7 footers.

Sorry, I have a lot of respect for your opinions but I have to disagree with you this time.

Its not going to be a blowout like you think it will be. It is true that an elite guard won't be able to stop an elite big like Kareem but the same holds true if reversed. There's no way Kareem would be able to stop Jordan 1 on 1. And if you think Kareem would just let Jordan or Kobe shoot jumpers over him each possession, you are dead wrong because open jumpers would be easy for these guys to hit. You think Kobe's 3 point FG would be the same percentage (34%) when he's open all the time? These guys would drain 3s easily if open. I'm not saying MJ or Kobe would beat Kareem easily 1 on 1. It would come down to who misses the shot first and more often. MJ or Kobe will miss shots of course but Kareem will also miss shots and he wouldn't easily back down a 6'6" strong bodied guard like MJ. :confusedshrug:

[shady6121]

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif

[Magic bird]

So WTF is the truth?
Paul Pierce:confusedshrug:

[eliteballer]

03 Kobe would absolutely wreck any version of LeBron...he was a tank with quickness and shooting ability LeBron can only dream of.

and all you need to do is watch those games in 03 and 04 when Kobe and McGrady were matched up one on one to see what probably happened.

[Micku]

03 Kobe would absolutely wreck any version of LeBron...he was a tank with quickness and shooting ability LeBron can only dream of.

and all you need to do is watch those games in 03 and 04 when Kobe and McGrady were matched up one on one to see what probably happened.
Statistically, 03 Kobe was worse than Lebron this year on jumpshots. You can check it yourself:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/shooting/2003/

Kobe jumpshot was 39.8% that year. LeBron this year is 41.9% not counting today's game.

Anyway, it's one on one. I remember Iverson saying he was the best one on one player and etc. It's meh. They should put it in the All Star Games tho. That would be exciting.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Statistically, 03 Kobe was worse than Lebron this year on jumpshots. You can check it yourself:

Kobe jumpshot was 39.8% that year. LeBron this year is 41.9% not counting today's game.

Jumpshots from where? 10-15 FT? 17-23? Or are you talking about everything outside the paint?

I think 2006 would be the only year worthy of a comparison. Outside of that and MAYBE 2008, Lebron has been better than any version of Kobe.

[Micku]

Jumpshots from where? 10-15 FT? 17-23? Or are you talking about everything outside the paint?

I think 2006 would be the only year worthy of a comparison. Outside of that and MAYBE 2008, Lebron has been better than any version of Kobe.

I was counting jumpshots overall, but Lebron is/was better everywhere on the floor. There is not an area on the floor that LeBron isn't better at than Kobe that year. At least atm. It might change after tonight, but will probably bounce back up again. But LeBron 2011 year he was better at Kobe everywhere on the floor too, except from 3.

LeBron 2012-13 so far:
Rim: 76.5%
3-9ft: 47.4%
10 to 15 ft: 44.7 %
16 ft to 3-pt: 41.9%
3pt: 39.8%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/

Kobe 2002-03:
Rim: 63.4%
3 to 9 ft: 41.4%
10 to 15 ft: 37.3%
16 ft to 3-pt: 41.1%
3pt: 38.6%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/shooting/2003/

So, no. Kobe didn't have the shooting touch that year like LeBron has it this year. Kobe had better seasons.

[KOBE143]

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/17075/kobe-bryant-talks-mj-lebron-django



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Gawdbe preaching the Gospel here, we worthless human should learn from it.. :bowdown:

[knicksman]

kobe in his prime still better than lebron. The 5 rings speaks for itself. I dont know why people overrate all around players so much. They may have higher impact individually but they are not the type of players that make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. Its the players that focus either on scoring or playmaking that can coexist with others. Thats why cp3 and durant impacts the game at an early age while it took lebron 6 years to be an impact player. And lebron is on pace of beating oscar as the most embarrassing player ever when he was in cleveland thats why he joined 2 other superstars. Magic/jordan only needed past his prime kareem or pippen who is another iguodala had he not played with jordan to win in this league. And thats because those guys can coexist and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

We already have seen players like lebron. And they are the tmacs, the iversons, oscars who are losers in this league.

[ripthekik]

Thats why cp3 and durant impacts the game at an early age while it took lebron 6 years to be an impact player. And lebron is on pace of beating oscar as the most embarrassing player ever when he was in cleveland thats why he joined 2 other superstars. Magic/jordan only needed past his prime kareem or pippen who is another iguodala had he not played with jordan to win in this league. And thats because those guys can coexist and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

We already have seen players like lebron. And they are the tmacs, the iversons, oscars who are losers in this league.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

awesome post, absolutely beautiful.

[Dragonyeuw]

Thats why cp3 and durant impacts the game at an early age while it took lebron 6 years to be an impact player.

We already have seen players like lebron. And they are the tmacs, the iversons, oscars who are losers in this league.

- It took Lebron 6 years to be an impact player? He took the Cavs to the finals at 22 when his game was still raw, with Eric Snow, Big Z, and Larry Hughes!! Are we gonna act like Lebron had anywhere near the team Durant has now when Lebron entered the league? How good do you think the 2009 Cavs who won 66 games would have been with Kobe instead of Lebron? Does Kobe lead that team to 66 wins? Does he lead them over Orlando in the playoffs?

-I can't believe you actually put Lebron and Tmac in the same sentence. :biggums: Lebron has never failed to make at least the second round, even with mediocre talent in the mid 2000s in Cleveland. Tmac has never sniffed the second round and he's had two instances of having a 3-1 series edge( Pistons in 2003, Dallas in 2005), and yet Lebron is as much a career underachiever as him? I love prime Tmac on an individual level, but come on :facepalm

[Jax]

After Lebron beats his records he comes out with this, this cat on serious denial.

[knicksman]

- It took Lebron 6 years to be an impact player? He took the Cavs to the finals at 22 when his game was still raw, with Eric Snow, Big Z, and Larry Hughes!! Are we gonna act like Lebron had anywhere near the team Durant has now when Lebron entered the league? How good do you think the 2009 Cavs who won 66 games would have been with Kobe instead of Lebron? Does Kobe lead that team to 66 wins? Does he lead them over Orlando in the playoffs?

-I can't believe you actually put Lebron and Tmac in the same sentence. :biggums: Lebron has never failed to make at least the second round, even with mediocre talent in the mid 2000s in Cleveland. Tmac has never sniffed the second round and he's had two instances of having a 3-1 series edge( Pistons in 2003, Dallas in 2005), and yet Lebron is as much a career underachiever as him? I love prime Tmac on an individual level, but come on :facepalm

Teammates is just an excuse. If you are a great player, you make your team contender no matter who your teammates are. And he took his team to the finals but nobody thinks that team is a contender unlike new orleans with cp3 and it could be with durant considering theres no huge gap between the 1st seed and 8th seed in the west.

Maybe not tmac but arenas. These guys really are common. The only difference is that lebron is efficient. Without that efficiency, he wouldve end up like those guys. And as I said, kobe may not have the impact that lebron has on a bad team but he can coexist with other good players so he doesnt need elite players to win unlike lebron who cant so he needs to be with the elites to win.

[NumberSix]

Niqqa says he's the best 1-on-1 player of all time. Later that same day, D-Wade completely owns his ass 1-on-1.

[Thechosen1]

prime allen iverson>>>kobe one on one

[NBASTATMAN]

kobe in his prime still better than lebron. The 5 rings speaks for itself. I dont know why people overrate all around players so much. They may have higher impact individually but they are not the type of players that make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. Its the players that focus either on scoring or playmaking that can coexist with others. Thats why cp3 and durant impacts the game at an early age while it took lebron 6 years to be an impact player. And lebron is on pace of beating oscar as the most embarrassing player ever when he was in cleveland thats why he joined 2 other superstars. Magic/jordan only needed past his prime kareem or pippen who is another iguodala had he not played with jordan to win in this league. And thats because those guys can coexist and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

We already have seen players like lebron. And they are the tmacs, the iversons, oscars who are losers in this league.


As a one on one player kobe in his prime was better and is still better but kobe never had the all around game of Lebron.. Lebron dominates at everything.. Except free throw shooting..:roll:

Did you see Lebron shut Kobe down after Kobe got hot.. That was amazing..

[lilbeastnani]

kobe in his prime still better than lebron. The 5 rings speaks for itself. I dont know why people overrate all around players so much. They may have higher impact individually but they are not the type of players that make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. Its the players that focus either on scoring or playmaking that can coexist with others. Thats why cp3 and durant impacts the game at an early age while it took lebron 6 years to be an impact player. And lebron is on pace of beating oscar as the most embarrassing player ever when he was in cleveland thats why he joined 2 other superstars. Magic/jordan only needed past his prime kareem or pippen who is another iguodala had he not played with jordan to win in this league. And thats because those guys can coexist and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

We already have seen players like lebron. And they are the tmacs, the iversons, oscars who are losers in this league.

Was that statement a joke? Did you happen to see Pippen play when Jordan had his first retirement? :coleman:

[Dragonyeuw]

Teammates is just an excuse. If you are a great player, you make your team contender no matter who your teammates are.

Really? How good were the 2006 Lakers with Kobe carrying the likes of Chris Mihm
, Kwame Brown and Smush Parker? 45 wins and a first round casualty. Having quality teammates is paramount to team success irrespective of the individual greatness of a player. And Kobe was killing it that year, but no player in NBA history would have made winners out of such mediocre talent.

And he took his team to the finals but nobody thinks that team is a contender unlike new orleans with cp3

So the 2007 Cavs making the finals doesn't qualify them to be contenders, yet the 2008 Hornets losing in the second round does?


Maybe not tmac but arenas. These guys really are common.

:biggums: My entire mind and body seized up reading that.

And as I said, kobe may not have the impact that lebron has on a bad team but he can coexist with other good players

The two best players Kobe has ever played with are Shaq and Gasol, a top 5 MDE candidate and a top 5( at the time) PF. No-one would say he won with either player due to some special ability to co-exist with them that Lebron lacks. Wade was hardly playing like an elite force on a consistent basis last playoffs and Bosh at best is a top 15-20 player. It seems to me that Lebron can co-exist with other good players just fine considering he won a ring last year.



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[SacJB Shady]

- Scared to death, scared to look, in his yearbook
scared to death, scared to look

No such thing as halfway crooks

[STATUTORY]

Niqqa says he's the best 1-on-1 player of all time. Later that same day, D-Wade completely owns his ass 1-on-1.
:roll: going over 5 or 6 screens just to get a shot off is owning somebody 1 on 1 now? gtfo bro

[LEFT4DEAD]

:roll: going over 5 or 6 screens just to get a shot off is owning somebody 1 on 1 now? gtfo bro
Wade would rape Kobe 1 on 1, Im sure about it.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I was counting jumpshots overall, but Lebron is/was better everywhere on the floor. There is not an area on the floor that LeBron is better at than Kobe that year. At least atm. It might change after tonight, but will probably bounce back up again. But LeBron 2011 year he was better at Kobe everywhere on the floor too, except from 3.

LeBron 2012-13 so far:
Rim: 76.5%
3-9ft: 47.4%
10 to 15 ft: 44.7 %
16 ft to 3-pt: 41.9%
3pt: 39.8%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/

Kobe 2002-03:
Rim: 63.4%
3 to 9 ft: 41.4%
10 to 15 ft: 37.3%
16 ft to 3-pt: 41.1%
3pt: 38.6%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/shooting/2003/

So, no. Kobe didn't have the shooting touch that year like LeBron has it this year. Kobe had better seasons.
This is what I call owning. :roll: :roll:

[LBJ 23]

It's unbeliveable how Kobe can say so much arrogant and narcissistic stuff and gets away with it or he's called extremely confident, killer instinct player blah blah by his fans.

Talking about how would he destroy anyone in 1vs1 game, about Lebron and cookies and then Lebron absolutely humiliates Lakers and his ass, talking about how he cooked T-mac 1on1 (high chance he's lying) etc,...

Imagine Lebron or any other player saying things like this, they would probably be killed by the media.

Kobe's one of the all time greats no doubt about it, but he's no Jordan to talk so narcissistically and arrogant when propping himself up and talking about his opponents.

[SacJB Shady]

The truth is that because Kobe is the leading scorer, he's letting it get to his head. At this point, Kobe doesn't care much about winning. Yes he cares a little bit, but there is nothing he can do with the Lakers at this point. So he just plays his own game and focuses on his scoring.

But he cannot beat several players one on one anymore. It would be sad to even see him try to attempt to. I guess it makes him feel better though. But Kobe is a fraction of what he used to be. Lebron, Wade, Melo, and Durant would demoralize him. He cannot keep up with them as he doesn't play defense anymore.

His scoring doesn't amount to wins. Teams figure they mise well let Kobe shoot as long as the rest of the team sucks. But against Wade, he looks beat.

[Bajanmale]

Wade would rape Kobe 1 on 1, Im sure about it.

Wade and Chris Paul would kill him!

[STATUTORY]

Wade would rape Kobe 1 on 1, Im sure about it.
:roll: joke statement. Kobe is better than Wade at all aspect of the 1 on 1 game, better shooter, better post game, better handles, just as explosive to the hoop without the help of a pick.

u guys are making too much of last night when Wade used 4 or 5 screens every time just to get a shot off.

[chazzy]

Yeah, using this game as any kind of proof of anything is dumb. Especially against the Heat, who play strong side more than most teams, trap ball handlers, and use screens on offense

[HardwoodLegend]

03 Kobe would absolutely wreck any version of LeBron...he was a tank with quickness and shooting ability LeBron can only dream of.

and all you need to do is watch those games in 03 and 04 when Kobe and McGrady were matched up one on one to see what probably happened.

Evenly matched.

That 2004 4th Q takeover game by Kobe isn't an accurate gauge.

T-Mac had little left in the gas tank after having to carry his team by himself all game, and Kobe switched over late after coasting the first 3 quarters while Shaq dominated.

It would have been a different game if Kobe started guarding T-Mac early and expended more energy on level stamina playing field.

In a sense it was T-Mac vs. Shaq in the first 3 quarters and then T-Mac vs. Kobe in the 4th. Not at all 1-on-1 analogous.

[Dragonyeuw]

Evenly matched.

That 2004 4th Q takeover game by Kobe isn't an accurate gauge.

T-Mac had little left in the gas tank after having to carry his team by himself all game, and Kobe switched over late after coasting the first 3 quarters while Shaq dominated.

It would have been a different game if Kobe started guarding T-Mac early and expended more energy on level stamina playing field.

In a sense it was T-Mac vs. Shaq in the first 3 quarters and then T-Mac vs. Kobe in the 4th. Not at all 1-on-1 analogous.

There you go injecting logic into the discussion.:cheers:

[red1]

:roll: joke statement. Kobe is better than Wade at all aspect of the 1 on 1 game, better shooter, better post game, better handles, just as explosive to the hoop without the help of a pick.

u guys are making too much of last night when Wade used 4 or 5 screens every time just to get a shot off.
You are one of the f*gg*ts who was talking shit every day saying that dwade is an overrated scrub, that he was always shit, that he cant hold kobe's jockstrap, all types of shit. Now stfu and eat your crow now that your boy was clearly outplayed. Dont make any excuses either because you are the one who invited this comparison in the first place by talking all that shit when you are nothing but a f*gg*t who sits on his couch worshipping kobe while talking shit about everyone else

[BlazersDozen]

LeBron would EAT Kobe 1-on-1 he probably said he he could beat LeBron just because they are always compared to one another while Durant is just Durant. You can't be competitive and admit defeat to your closest rival, but I don't really think Kobe believes that LeBron statement.

[glidedrxlr22]

This is from the yahoo comments section of the interview article:

why wouldn't kobe be the greatest one on one player in the history? he plays one on five for most of the lakers games!

:applause: :oldlol:

[ace23]

It's unbeliveable how Kobe can say so much arrogant and narcissistic stuff and gets away with it or he's called extremely confident, killer instinct player blah blah by his fans.

Talking about how would he destroy anyone in 1vs1 game, about Lebron and cookies and then Lebron absolutely humiliates Lakers and his ass, talking about how he cooked T-mac 1on1 (high chance he's lying) etc,...

Imagine Lebron or any other player saying things like this, they would probably be killed by the media.

Kobe's one of the all time greats no doubt about it, but he's no Jordan to talk so narcissistically and arrogant when propping himself up and talking about his opponents.
Arguably the best player on 3 championship teams, clearly the best on 2. He can say whatever he wants.

[Shih508]

prime allen iverson>>>kobe one on one

I was shocked no one brought up AI. It was very debatable if you ask people back in early 2000's when both of them were in their physical prime.

[NumberSix]

I was shocked no one brought up AI. It was very debatable if you ask people back in early 2000's when both of them were in their physical prime.
AI was a more skillful player than Kobe, but IMO, the size difference is too much of a factor in a 1on1.

[Pointguard]

Somethings I've considered since watching isolation plays on Youtube and it happened a couple of times in the game last night.

Lebron is the only 6-8 guy that has no problem getting around anybody. Lebron's bulk would prevent smaller guys from getting at the ball. Power is a huge when considering one on one players. Its really an easy basket game. Precated on getting closest to the rim.

Also I considered AI and just exactly when do you get a player that can actually beat him because of height. To me its Kobe and Jordan who are about 7 inches taller. Kobe is a good example because their games are similar but AI is definitely quicker. Quickness is worth about 6 or 7 inches against other quick, skilled, unstoppable players. Kobe and Jordan are both skilled, mobile and talented but AI has the same qualities. However, strength and power are part of Kobe and Jordan's game and comes into play.

My math would be that Kobe and Jordan would have the same problem with a guy 7 foot with the same qualities as them. The closest would be Hakeem, but there is a mobility issue, his drop of of speed and quickness wouldn't compensate the same way Kobe and Iverson's would. If Hakeem was a little taller it seems like he would be blocking their shots in a one on one situation.

When Lebron is in an ISO he routinely destroys Howard, whom might have the quickest feet of any bigman (Hakeem might be faster). Lebron's success rate is crazy and if nobody was on the court he would finish at the rim every time. If Lebron is as quick as Kobe and Jordan then his strength would be the factor. The only limiting factors are lack of mobility, 7 inches in height, lack of good touch,

[CavaliersFTW]

AI was a more skillful player than Kobe, but IMO, the size difference is too much of a factor in a 1on1.
Skillful? I don't think so not from what I can see... faster and quicker maybe, but not more skillful, and he was faster and quicker because he was so much smaller and lighter

[CavaliersFTW]

Somethings I've considered since watching isolation plays on Youtube and it happened a couple of times in the game last night.

Lebron is the only 6-8 guy that has no problem getting around anybody. Lebron's bulk would prevent smaller guys from getting at the ball. Power is a huge when considering one on one players. Its really an easy basket game. Precated on getting closest to the rim.

Also I considered AI and just exactly when do you get a player that can actually beat him because of height. To me its Kobe and Jordan who are about 7 inches taller. Kobe is a good example because their games are similar but AI is definitely quicker. Quickness is worth about 6 or 7 inches against other quick, skilled, unstoppable players. Kobe and Jordan are both skilled, mobile and talented but AI has the same qualities. However, strength and power are part of Kobe and Jordan's game and comes into play.

My math would be that Kobe and Jordan would have the same problem with a guy 7 foot with the same qualities as them. The closest would be Hakeem, but there is a mobility issue, his drop of of speed and quickness wouldn't compensate the same way Kobe and Iverson's would. If Hakeem was a little taller it seems like he would be blocking their shots in a one on one situation.

When Lebron is in an ISO he routinely destroys Howard, whom might have the quickest feet of any bigman (Hakeem might be faster). Lebron's success rate is crazy and if nobody was on the court he would finish at the rim every time. If Lebron is as quick as Kobe and Jordan then his strength would be the factor. The only limiting factors are lack of mobility, 7 inches in height, lack of good touch,

AI is 5-11.25 w/o shoes, Kobe and Jordan are both about 6-4.75 w/o shoes

I'm sure your point remains the same but for accuracy sake that's 5.5" not 7"

[LEFT4DEAD]

:roll: joke statement. Kobe is better than Wade at all aspect of the 1 on 1 game, better shooter, better post game, better handles, just as explosive to the hoop without the help of a pick.

u guys are making too much of last night when Wade used 4 or 5 screens every time just to get a shot off.
Its really oposite. Big time! Kobe has only outside shoting on Wade and thats it. He cant guard him, because Wade has much better handles, post game is toss up for me, both great, but Wade is better penetrator, and better finisher at the rim with or without contact. Also longer arms, much better shot blocker, thats very important thing in 1 on 1 games. Wade would outplay him easily just like last night.

[longtime lurker]

AI was a more skillful player than Kobe, but IMO, the size difference is too much of a factor in a 1on1.

:roll: :roll: :wtf:

[longtime lurker]

Its really oposite. Big time! Kobe has only outside shoting on Wade and thats it. He cant guard him, because Wade has much better handles, post game is toss up for me, both great, but Wade is better penetrator, and better finisher at the rim with or without contact. Also longer arms, much better shot blocker, thats very important thing in 1 on 1 games. Wade would outplay him easily just like last night.

One of the dumbest posts I've read today

[Kingwillball]

All I know Maybe Kobe wins 3 or 4 Years ago But Right Now Lebron would DESTROY him One on One. Too Big too Strong and too fast not to MEntion Lebrons Ability to Finish around basket. Lebron would be scoring 3 feet in While KObe was constantly taking tough Fadaways and Step back Jumpers.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron,Durant, Melo Definitely could beat him and Wade probably could who else do people think could beat Kobe right now one on One but has to be a Guard or SF ?

[ihoopallday]

If you want to see Kobe play one-on-one for 48 minutes, just watch any Lakers game.