Which guns did Adam Lanza use in the Sandy Hook shooting?

[Riddler]

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

Anybody know?

[miller-time]

I haven't heard 4 handguns before. I thought they were saying he actually took the rifle with him and it was a shotgun they found in the trunk.

This rapid style media is a mess.

[Riddler]

I haven't heard 4 handguns before. I thought they were saying he actually took the rifle with him and it was a shotgun they found in the trunk.

This rapid style media is a mess.


BTW... if you want to see Piers Morgan get completely owned by some guy I've never heard of... watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs
COMPLETE: Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN

[nathanjizzle]

good god not another topic with a never ending debate.:facepalm

he shot and killed 20 human. period end of story.

[miller-time]

good god not another topic with a never ending debate.:facepalm

I think it is good, at least it isn't going away until the next time it happens. I mean after Aurora this discussion only lasted maybe a week, and it was back to business of usual.

Whatever side you are on it is an important issue that needs to be resolved. I think the problem is that people seem to becoming more entrenched in their opinion about guns and thereby the discussion is ONLY about guns now, and not the wider influence of gun culture, pop culture, the media, mental health problems, socioeconomic problems etc.

[knickballer]

BTW... if you want to see Piers Morgan get completely owned by some guy I've never heard of... watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs
COMPLETE: Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN

Haha, I actually saw this the other day. It's Piers Morgan we are talking about, all he does is just cut people off and go on stupid rants. Alex Jones brought the lulz when he was on his show

[daily]

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

Anybody know?
Bushmaster to kill everybody and one of the handguns to kill himself was reported

the video you linked to is over a month old. the day after the shooting

[Riddler]

Bushmaster to kill everybody and one of the handguns to kill himself was reported

the video you linked to is over a month old. the day after the shooting


Multiple reports suggest the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of his car.

I'd like to know why this was reported, and if it's true or false.

[miller-time]

Multiple reports suggest the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of his car.

I'd like to know why this was reported, and if it's true or false.

They originally reported that the gun was the SLR because the media were just putting any scrap of information out there as quickly as they could.

It was a shotgun - Saiga-12 (apparently, I don't know guns well enough to identify them), but you can see video of it where the officer unloads a shell from the chamber - if I were a betting man I would put my money on shotgun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

[Riddler]

They originally reported that the gun was the SLR because the media were just putting any scrap of information out there as quickly as they could.

It was a shotgun - Saiga-12 (apparently, I don't know guns well enough to identify them), but you can see video of it where the officer unloads a shell from the chamber - if I were a betting man I would put my money on shotgun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc


Haven't watched the youtube video yet (but I will)

Here is my problem... We have a crime scene... Are there photographs of the crime scene? Are there surveillance tapes of Adam entering the building?

Just show me a picture of a dead body...

Just show me the video tapes from the cameras in that building.


Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath):

No photo of OBL's dead body.

No video of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon (and there were other cameras filming that day)

and I think there are 12 surveillance tapes that have not been released to the public regarding the OKC bombing.

I just wish we had more access to information withheld from the public when tragedies like this take place.

[RaininThrees]

Haven't watched the youtube video yet (but I will)

Here is my problem... We have a crime scene... Are there photographs of the crime scene? Are there surveillance tapes of Adam entering the building?

Just show me a picture of a dead body...

Just show me the video tapes from the cameras in that building.


Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath):

No photo of OBL's dead body.

No video of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon (and there were other cameras filming that day)

and I think there are 12 surveillance tapes that have not been released to the public regarding the OKC bombing.

I just wish we had more access to information withheld from the public when tragedies like this take place.


Why are you assuming there are video tapes of the event? The camera used to let him into the school was likely a live feed and unrecorded. This is very, very common, especially for entrance video intercom systems.

And why do you want to see pictures and video of 5 and 6 year olds being mowed down?

You have no right to that information, nor should you want to see it.

Absolutely disgusting.

[miller-time]

Whenever a conspiracy theory takes place, it's because the public doesn't get access of the video tapes (or photos) of the event taking place (or it's aftermath):

I understand being skeptical, but I'm not sure why conspiracy theories are the inherent response to evidence not being released?

There are a myriad of reasons why videos and photos have been withheld. Often the best thing to do in these types of cases is to bury the suspect to avoid giving them notoriety. Also, do you really think it is a good idea to throw out images of massacred school kids?

Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? Why isn't that a conspiracy?

[RaininThrees]

I understand being skeptical, but I'm not sure why conspiracy theories are the inherent response to evidence not being released?

There are a myriad of reasons why videos and photos have been withheld. Often the best thing to do in these types of cases is to bury the suspect to avoid giving them notoriety. Also, do you really think it is a good idea to throw out images of massacred school kids?

Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? Why isn't that a conspiracy?

Oh god no. No. NO. Don't! Don't open the door!!!!!

[Balla_Status]

I can understand wanting to see OBL's body (I'd like to) but not a bunch of 5-6 year olds.

[Riddler]

Also why weren't people asking for the same thing in response to the VT shooting? Why isn't that a conspiracy?

There wasn't any reason to suggest that it was a conspiracy.

I'm glad you asked that question... People like to accuse us of suggesting everything is a conspiracy, but that isn't the case.... as far as I know, I haven't seen one reason to be skeptical of that event.

And that guy used handguns right?

[miller-time]

There wasn't any reason to suggest that it was a conspiracy.

I'm glad you asked that question... People like to accuse us of suggesting everything is a conspiracy, but that isn't the case.... as far as I know, I haven't seen one reason to be skeptical of that event.

And that guy used handguns right?

I think so.

But anyway they neither released a photo of the perpetrators body, nor did they release any photos or footage of the attack or deceased victims from VT. Both reasons you said make you skeptical. If it is acceptable in that case, why not this one? Simply because you have other suspicions?

[Riddler]

I can understand wanting to see OBL's body (I'd like to) but not a bunch of 5-6 year olds.

Okay... can we see pictures of the adults killed... or how about just the shooter?

They showed us pictures of the Columbine shooters after they committed suicide... Can we see a picture of Adam Lanza dead body? I think people would actually get have a small bit of satisfaction seeing the corpse of that murderer.

Just show me one drop of blood somewhere...

[Riddler]

I think so.

But anyway they neither released a photo of the perpetrators body, nor did they release any photos or footage of the attack or deceased victims from VT. Both reasons you said make you skeptical. If it is acceptable in that case, why not this one? Simply because you have other suspicions?


No no no no... I don't recall any of the victim's family members talking to the press days after the shooting... and that's how a grieving family member is suppose to act... They didn't talk to Anderson Cooper with a smile on their face a few days after their child was killed, and the victims family members certainly didn't make gun control an important issue days after the event.

I can understand if the victims family members became gun control activists a month or two after the event... But you're gonna preach to the media that Obama needs to do something about this after your child was killed? C'mon!!!

Now let's say the Newtown shooting wasn't a conspiracy...

can you at least see how the government/media could use a tragedy like to this for gun control purposes... ?

Look at this $hit:

http://imageshack.us/a/img201/1223/screenshot20121229at942.png

F*CK THAT LETTER!!!!


after the VT shooting... gun control wasn't the hot topic... students and professors were demanding to have the right to carry a concealed weapon to class.

[miller-time]

can you at least see how the government/media could use a tragedy like to this for gun control purposes... ?

Yes, after the fact. In the same way I believe they took advantage of 9/11 to enter the middle east. That doesn't mean they necessarily orchestrated it though.

But your interpretation of the interviews is still only speculation. You are talking about expected behaviour in regards to an incredibly rare and tragic event. I watched the interview and I agree the levity was higher than you probably would expect, but there is no reason to believe that this behaviour would be consistent throughout their entire ordeal. You are looking at this one piece of information and extrapolating someones entire psychological profile from it. You don't know ANYTHING about these people.

[Riddler]

Yes, after the fact. In the same way I believe they took advantage of 9/11 to enter the middle east. That doesn't mean they necessarily orchestrated it though.

But your interpretation of the interviews is still only speculation. You are talking about expected behaviour in regards to an incredibly rare and tragic event. I watched the interview and I agree the levity was higher than you probably would expect, but there is no reason to believe that this behaviour would be consistent throughout their entire ordeal. You are looking at this one piece of information and extrapolating someones entire psychological profile from it. You don't know ANYTHING about these people.


there is proof of a conspiracy in regards to 9/11... people like to say there isn't any proof... But the proof is there. I mean, I'd love to take a Boeing and nose dive it in same field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania to show you guys what a real plane crash would look like... People like to take this PROOF and twist it around to suggest flight 93 was shot down so we could stop AQ from hitting their fourth target... give me a break. (that's one of the many examples of PROOF)

A dozen people acting odd days after the Newtown shooting is not proof... you are correct... But if people have done the amount of research I've done on Sandy Hook, you'd be a fool to NOT be skeptical.

with 9/11 being the conspiracy that it is... setting up a Sandy Hook Hoax would be a walk in the park for these people... It would be easy to fake.

[rufuspaul]

:facepalm

[miller-time]

there is proof of a conspiracy in regards to 9/11... people like to say there isn't any proof... But the proof is there. I mean, I'd love to take a Boeing and nose dive it in same field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania to show you guys what a real plane crash would look like... People like to take this PROOF and twist it around to suggest flight 93 was shot down so we could stop AQ from hitting their fourth target... give me a break. (that's one of the many examples of PROOF)

We can talk about 9/11 another time. I was just using it as an example of where I personally think the government may have deliberately capitalized on a tragic event. I don't think that is beyond them.


A dozen people acting odd days after the Newtown shooting is not proof... you are correct... But if people have done the amount of research I've done on Sandy Hook, you'd be a fool to NOT be skeptical.

Well what are the other evidences? All I've seen so far in general (not just from you) are weird interviews, lack of photos and/or video, various media mistakes, references in the batman movie to this and aurora, and a connection to the Libor scandal. I might be forgetting some small bits here and there but generally that is all I have come across. At best to me they seem more like factoids or pieces of trivia than evidence of a conspiracy.

[Riddler]

Well what are the other evidences? All I've seen so far in general (not just from you) are weird interviews, lack of photos and/or video, various media mistakes, references in the batman movie to this and aurora, and a connection to the Libor scandal. I might be forgetting some small bits here and there but generally that is all I have come across. At best to me they seem more like factoids or pieces of trivia than evidence of a conspiracy.


No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.

And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...

And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.

Like I've posted before... THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs)

207,414 views
867 likes - 163 dislikes

[timlush]

Wouldn't the government, with their endless money, be able to hire a better actor?

[Riddler]

Wouldn't the government, with their endless money, be able to hire a better actor?

They don't give a f*ck how sloppy their conspiracies are because the majority of people are gonna defend the official story no matter what.

and... even when a f*ck up the size of Building 7 happens... Nobody even knows about it. People are ignorant.

And look... Look at what the victim's family members (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ) have done with Building 7.


Go ask a few random individuals if they know what Building 7 is.

[miller-time]

No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.

And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...

And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.

Like I've posted before... THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs)

207,414 views
867 likes - 163 dislikes

But wouldn't people in the Sandy Hook community say something about people being interviewed that have nothing to do with the shooting?

However lets say they are actors. What if they were arranged in agreement between the parents and news companies to facilitate with the interviews? Maybe some parents wanted to make a statement but didn't want to be or weren't able to be on camera? You need corroborating evidence for either situation. But there is more than one possible reason for this if they were indeed actors.

Personally I don't think they're actors, at least in the conspiracy sense. There would be to many variables to count for to keep it under wraps.

[niko]

Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.

It's mind boggling how dense people can be.

[Riddler]

Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/columbine-eric-harris-dylan-klebold-dead.jpg

I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.

They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.

[Maniak]

Little kids were killed. Yet you don't see anything but a chance to apply conspiracy theory logic. You don't see pictures, etc. because dumbass - LITTLE KIDS WERE KILLED.

It's mind boggling how dense people can be.
Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.

Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).

You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.

I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn

[niko]

Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.

Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).

You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.

I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn

My point was the people here ONLY see it as a conspiracy. They could give a rats ass about kids being shot, the moment it happened they started looking for interesting tidbits like it's a movie to analyze. That's strange to me. Kids got shot, wow interesting. Let me look for inconsistencies so i can post them on youtube for my friends and blame the govt.

When did this become normal?

[niko]

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/columbine-eric-harris-dylan-klebold-dead.jpg

I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.

They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.
You don't get these type of pictures always. Is there something wrong with you that it's important to see the picture of someone dead? That you'd post this picture as an example of what you need to see?

[daily]

Okay... can we see pictures of the adults killed... or how about just the shooter?

They showed us pictures of the Columbine shooters after they committed suicide... Can we see a picture of Adam Lanza dead body? I think people would actually get have a small bit of satisfaction seeing the corpse of that murderer.

Just show me one drop of blood somewhere... You're really sick, get help

We see pictures of the Columbine shooters because there were legal proceedings against their families and the people that supplied them with the guns. There's no such actions in the more recent tragedies yet.

Secondly since all the conspiracy people like you are saying it's just a bunch of actors I have no doubts that the minute you see these pictures you're going to scream "fake" "Photo shopped"

[Jackass18]

No, that's basically it... just the weird interviews.

And I've watched as many as I can... There's much much more than Robbie Parker, The McDonald Family, and Victoria Soto's family (the sisters and brother are beyond strange)...

And I just don't give a f*ck what anybody says... I have no problem calling Robbie Parker a fake.... If that dude isn't an actor, he is quite possibly the strangest MFer I've ever seen.

Like I've posted before... THIS VIDEO SUMS it up BEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCqeQFvsrs)

207,414 views
867 likes - 163 dislikes

So, whenever a person acts in a manner different than what you expect you label them as a bad actor? I've seen many people act in a manner I wouldn't expect. Is it really strange that some people may act strange in a time of great grief when emotions are running strong and they don't know how to deal with them? I don't understand why some people don't realize that people deal with grief differently. I know it looks like he could come off as being a bad actor, but I also know that perception and reality can be 2 rather different things.

How would the whole actor thing even work? Are they short-term actors? Long-term actors? The kids and teachers are actually safe but in seclusion?

[Jackass18]

I want to see a picture of Adam Lanza.

They showed us a pic of Eric and Dylan... I want to see a pic of Adam.

If it's all a conspiracy, then why couldn't they just fake photos/videos, too?

[Riddler]

Secondly since all the conspiracy people like you are saying it's just a bunch of actors I have no doubts that the minute you see these pictures you're going to scream "fake" "Photo shopped"

Yea, like I haven't heard that one before.

"Why do you want to see a picture of Osama Bin Laden's body? You're just gonna say it's photoshopped anyway."


How about you guys stop reading these threads if they bother you so much?

and Niko, I wish I could find the thread/post where I wrote I wasn't going to investigate any conspiracy because little kids were involved... I literally wrote that "it wouldn't feel right"

Please don't sit there and tell me that I only view this tragedy as a form of entertainment.

[Jackass18]

Kids are dead, so you're seen as insensitive the moment you even think it could be a conspiracy.

Well, I was reading a thread on a forum that an article about the shooting was written like 2 or 3 days before the shooting per google's little text that shows you when something was written (if that makes sense, the words I'm looking for aren't coming to me).

You could just say it's a glitch or something but it's never wrong otherwise, and there's too much sample of it not being wrong for you to say something like that logically.

I feel wrong for thinking it could be some big conspiracy because of those involved. But I think to discredit a conscpiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn

Are you talking about something like this:

http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg

[-p.tiddy-]

Bin Laden released a video on a 911 anniversary and it was discredited by conspiracy theorists as an actor despite exact bone structure and voice.

Pictures wouldn't do anything at all here in terms of conspiracy...nothing, they would be written off as fakes before you even looked at them.

In fact you could let conspiracy theorists walk into the crime scene right after it happened and they would claim the dead bodies were planted by gov agents...




Instead of focusing on details like that I think you should focus on the bigger picture, WHY the government would go through such extreme and intricate set up just to make magazine clips in certain rifles smaller. All of the children that are now missing classmates actors?...Little kid actors?...the numerous funerals were all fake, with actors?...etc etc etc...it is totally and completely ABSURD. There is nothing to think about here.

The only way you could think there is a conspiracy in here is because you are trying to force a conspiracy on it.

[UConnCeltics]

So there is a set way to act when you lose your child? Not exactly how you envision it? MUST BE A CONSPIRACY

No pictures of 20 kids with their brains blown out? MUST BE A CONSPIRACY

Media didn't report correct gun hours after it happened? MUST BE A CONSPIRACY

[daily]

How about you guys stop reading these threads if they bother you so much?

How about you stop reading or posting in these threads if people thinking you have a major screw loose bothers you so much?

In this thread you want to see pictures as "proof"

in this thread you're posting pics of the pentagon saying the photos are photo shopped http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287698

You're a walking talking cartoon

[Riddler]

Bin Laden released a video on a 911 anniversary and it was discredited by conspiracy theorists as an actor despite exact bone structure and voice.

Pictures wouldn't do anything at all here in terms of conspiracy...nothing, they would be written off as fakes before you even looked at them.

In fact you could let conspiracy theorists walk into the crime scene right after it happened and they would claim the dead bodies were planted by gov agents...


Funny, considering you said that the December 13, 2001 video of Bin Laden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ) was fake yourself.

That's the video that lead us to Afghanistan...

Yea, it's fake..... and even you agreed.



Instead of focusing on details like that I think you should focus on the bigger picture, WHY the government would go through such extreme and intricate set up just to make magazine clips in certain rifles smaller. All of the children that are now missing classmates actors?...Little kid actors?...the numerous funerals were all fake, with actors?...etc etc etc...it is totally and completely ABSURD. There is nothing to think about here.

The only way you could think there is a conspiracy in here is because you are trying to force a conspiracy on it.

Wait a second... There are a number of conspiracy theories suggesting that the motive behind this shooting isn't about gun control... but something else.

I'd love to discuss those theories with you, but I already know what you'll say.

But let's say it is all about gun control.... Do you really think another shooting is not ever going to happen?

Yea,.... what kind of laws are going to be passed when somebody shoots up an NFL stadium? What if some crazy dude blasts 50 people at the Super Bowl this year? Well, that means Aurora was Step 1, Sandy Hook was Step 2, and Step 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 haven't happened yet.... What laws are passed then?

Would those laws look something like this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img201/1223/screenshot20121229at942.png

Look man, I can't imagine why this actor conspiracy appears the way does, because it's really f*cking with my mind... But all the videos suggest that we have a bunch of frauds on T.V.

call it absurd all you want.... but to me it seems like bad acting.... Sorry, but I gotta call it the way I see it.

You think I wanted to say these people are actors? Do you think all the people on the internet in the YOUTUBE COMMENTS SECTION want to force some conspiracy theory? We call it the way we see it... and what we see are a bunch of f*cking actors.

As someone pointed out earlier... Why isn't the Virginia Tech shooting a conspiracy? Because there's nothing to be skeptical about on that one.... A crazy Asian dude really did shoot up the school.

There is so much skepticism surrounding Sandy Hook that CNN finally had to address it!!!! Don't act like it's only a few conspiracy theorists on the internet trying to make it look like a conspiracy. There's a $hit load of people that think something it's bull$Hit.

[Riddler]

How about you stop reading or posting in these threads if people thinking you have a major screw loose bothers you so much?

In this thread you want to see pictures as "proof"

in this thread you're posting pics of the pentagon saying the photos are photo shopped http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287698


I didn't say it was photoshopped... I was saying it could be.

Whatever... I already know how this routine works. I argued about 9/11 forever on this forum and I'm not about to start arguing Sandy Hook bull$hit for years upon years.... Some people are programed to skeptical and some people aren't.

I'm done.

I've said what i wanted to say and I'll STFU from here on out (regarding Sandy Hook).

None of this would of ever happened if Robbie Parker didn't look like he was leaving a comedy show before he got on camera.

[-p.tiddy-]

You think I wanted to say these people are actors? Do you think all the people on the internet in the YOUTUBE COMMENTS SECTION want to force some conspiracy theory?

yes I do

I think for the typical conspiracy theorist this was a conspiracy the very second they heard something happened, without any details. I already knew that you would think this is a conspiracy before I talked to you about it.

Some people just like to find conspiracies in EVERYTHING...you are one of those people.

Do you care about the laws being passed because of this?...no you don't...you're not even a gun owner...all you care about is creating a conspiracy theory.

[niko]

I didn't say it was photoshopped... I was saying it could be.

Whatever... I already know how this routine works. I argued about 9/11 forever on this forum and I'm not about to start arguing Sandy Hook bull$hit for years upon years.... Some people are programed to skeptical and some people aren't.

I'm done.

I've said what i wanted to say and I'll STFU from here on out (regarding Sandy Hook).

None of this would of ever happened if Robbie Parker didn't look like he was leaving a comedy show before he got on camera.

Do you understand 20 little kids got shot for no other reason than they went to school? You want to act like an aggrieved party because nobody wants to listen to your insensitive bullshit? Serious? Poor you.

Some little kids lost their lives but that pales to the fact this message board won't listen to one of your theories. I feel for you. So terrible.

[-p.tiddy-]

Do you understand 20 little kids got shot for no other reason than they went to school? You want to act like an aggrieved party because nobody wants to listen to your insensitive bullshit? Serious? Poor you.

Some little kids lost their lives but that pales to the fact this message board won't listen to one of your theories. I feel for you. So terrible.
I agree with maniac in that "to discredit a conspiracy solely because there are children involved is stubborn"

yeah niko these were 20 little kids and that is sad...guess what there were 2,000+ people that died on 911 which trumps Sandy Hook 1,000x over in terms of "sadness" and it didn't stop the conspiracies from coming.

I think this conspiracy is ridiculous but I also think the "little kids were involved so don't question anything" is not a good way to view this...

[Velocirap31]

BTW... if you want to see Piers Morgan get completely owned by some guy I've never heard of... watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs
COMPLETE: Ben Shapiro CUTS Piers Morgan DOWN

I don't see how either one won that argument. Ben Shapiro seems like a major dweeb though with that nasally voice and smug demeanor. Near the end he resorts to calling Piers stupid lol.

[LJJ]

Dooms, weren't you done with annoying ISH with your conspiracy theory gimmick? There is always another conspiracy, one more crazier than the next. Didn't you promise in the past all this was done?

There are other outlets out there for you:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

etc etc.

Why make us suffer?

[-p.tiddy-]

I know he is on ATS...that is where he gets these stories to bring in here...somewhere on that site there is a thread with 100 people like Dooms all saying "yeah, he looked weird when he smiled in that video, must be a conspiracy"

"prison planet" smh

that pretty much sums up how conspiracy theorists think...like they are trapped by "the man" or something...like they are prisoners to the government.

they basically just live in fear of a higher power on Earth...

[Riddler]

Dooms, weren't you done with annoying ISH with your conspiracy theory gimmick? There is always another conspiracy, one more crazier than the next. Didn't you promise in the past all this was done?

There are other outlets out there for you:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

etc etc.

Why make us suffer?



http://images.piratenews.org/Illuminati-Cards-Alex-Jones-Ron-Paul-SMOF.jpg


Alex Jones and David Icke are both Illuminati... It's in the 1995 card game...

How dare you try to lead me to their forums.


But I do support ATS... and I use to post there all the time... now I just lurk.

[Riddler]

I know he is on ATS...that is where he gets these stories to bring in here...somewhere on that site there is a thread with 100 people like Dooms all saying "yeah, he looked weird when he smiled in that video, must be a conspiracy"

"prison planet" smh

that pretty much sums up how conspiracy theorists think...like they are trapped by "the man" or something...like they are prisoners to the government.

they basically just live in fear of a higher power on Earth...

ATS is the $hit....

look at their home page from time to time...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/

They got good info.


And you've only seen one Robbie Parker video, so don't act like you're informed. I'll give you credit on researching 9/11 to some degree, but you haven't seen anything on Sandy Hook except Robbie Parker's laugh & smile.

[daily]

Are you talking about something like this:

http://i48.tinypic.com/xeq2yg.jpg


You can generate that yourself by doing advanced search and giving the date time frame you want. the google search gives you the latest news but puts the date on it you requested

here's one i just did with Lance Armstrong confessing to Oprah (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22sandy+hook%22+shooting&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=uMDtUPLKMYnyigLN_4DYDg&ved=0CCEQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A12% 2F12%2F2012&tbm=#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F 12%2F2012&sclient=psy-ab&q=lance+armstrong+confesses+to+oprah&oq=lance+armstrong+confesses+to+oprah&gs_l=serp.3...148234.159526.0.159896.54.33.0.9.9.5 .679.9694.2-21j2j2j5.30.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.uhKAZljA5kg&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.Yms&fp=c4a6a840dc754efa&biw=1280&bih=685)



notice even though it aired last night there's several going back a few months. It's one of the oldest tricks in the books the conspiracy nuts use and saps just keep buying it

[miller-time]

It's one of the oldest tricks in the books the conspiracy nuts use and saps just keep buying it

That is largely why I never really even bother considering their claims. They are often too disingenuous or far reaching.

The other thing that grinds my gears in when they leave in already falsified claims. Part of their tactics (which aren't unlike young earth creationist tactics) is to essentially blitzkrieg you with a list of several dozen facts or claims in one hit. The more claims there are the more time it takes to go through an analyze and/or debunk each one. What makes these lists of claims more extensive is leaving in claims they might even know are wrong - simply because it is more time consuming to counter.

[Legend of Josh]

there is proof of a conspiracy in regards to 9/11... people like to say there isn't any proof... But the proof is there. I mean, I'd love to take a Boeing and nose dive it in same field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania to show you guys what a real plane crash would look like... People like to take this PROOF and twist it around to suggest flight 93 was shot down so we could stop AQ from hitting their fourth target... give me a break. (that's one of the many examples of PROOF)

A dozen people acting odd days after the Newtown shooting is not proof... you are correct... But if people have done the amount of research I've done on Sandy Hook, you'd be a fool to NOT be skeptical.

with 9/11 being the conspiracy that it is... setting up a Sandy Hook Hoax would be a walk in the park for these people... It would be easy to fake.

Dooms, my e-ga. I'm with you all the way on 9/11; you knew that, you been knew that. However man, I have to say I'm not buying this Sandy Hook incident being a conspiracy. I think it probably hurts the family members very deeply knowing that there are many people out there who think their son or daughter actually didn't die and the gov. just paid them millions to keep their trap shut. I'm sorry, but 20 children?

I know what you're thinking... if we can mastermind something as tragic as 9/11, what the hell can't our government do? I'm just saying IMO, Aurora and Sandy Hook were actual factual unfortunate circumstances that honestly did happen, and it's pretty damn tragic.

I somewhat believe the ultimate agenda is to disarm the citizens and implement something like martial law, etc, but I don't see these shootings being the result of an inside job. Just can't.

[miller-time]

Dooms, my e-ga. I'm with you all the way on 9/11; you knew that, you been knew that. However man, I have to say I'm not buying this Sandy Hook incident being a conspiracy. I think it probably hurts the family members very deeply knowing that there are many people out there who think their son or daughter actually didn't die and the gov. just paid them millions to keep their trap shut. I'm sorry, but 20 children?

I know what you're thinking... if we can mastermind something as tragic as 9/11, what the hell can't our government do? I'm just saying IMO, Aurora and Sandy Hook were actual factual unfortunate circumstances that honestly did happen, and it's pretty damn tragic.

I somewhat believe the ultimate agenda is to disarm the citizens and implement something like martial law, etc, but I don't see these shootings being the result of an inside job. Just can't.

I just find it weird he is so willing to go along with this one? Statistically it is more likely that after accepting one conspiracy theory you will be likely to accept more of them. But this one is pretty weak and almost seems opportunistic of the conspiracy theorists to take it up. I mean nothing is going to top 9/11, but they need their next hit of endorphins! Any mass tragedy will do I suppose?

[Legend of Josh]

I just find it weird he is so willing to go along with this one? Statistically it is more likely that after accepting one conspiracy theory you will be likely to accept more of them. But this one is pretty weak and almost seems opportunistic of the conspiracy theorists to take it up. I mean nothing is going to top 9/11, but they need their next hit of endorphins! Any mass tragedy will do I suppose?

I would advise to tread carefully when mocking conspiracy theorists... one day it might blow up in your face.

'just sayin' ...

I don't believe every conspiracy theory out there, but I'll tell you human nature is damn near pure evil at the highest levels of power and control, which is exactly what the US government is. Would you literally drop your jaw if proof of the JFK assassination or 9/11 came to light?

I believe if people don't wake up they're in for a rude awakening in the end. In our lifetime.

[miller-time]

I believe if people don't wake up they're in for a rude awakening in the end. In our lifetime.

Yeah but people have been expecting things to happen in their lifetime since forever. Studying history is a good way to predict the future. Same old same old man. Our time and our people aren't as special as we like to think they are.

But I find it funny that real life conspiracies happen - like the Libor scandal, yet the conspiracy theorists only mention it in relation to these two massacres but don't actually care about the scandal itself. I mean these people ARE screwing the world. But it is only interesting to them if it involves mind control or vague secret societies.

[Jackass18]

You think I wanted to say these people are actors?

Yep.


We call it the way we see it... and what we see are a bunch of f*cking actors.

Doesn't mean it's true. All you have is a video where some people think there's bad actors. It's a tiny, flimsy case. There's nothing to support it.


There is so much skepticism surrounding Sandy Hook that CNN finally had to address it!!!! Don't act like it's only a few conspiracy theorists on the internet trying to make it look like a conspiracy. There's a $hit load of people that think something it's bull$Hit.

Well, because some assholes have posted that stupid conspiracy video all over the place nonstop and then that caused others to jump on the bandwagon and some of them started posting it and so on. How about aiming some of that skepticism towards conspiracy videos? Maybe if there was compelling evidence I'd jump aboard, but all I see are dumb videos with people trying to twist nonsense to fit their agenda and being opportunistic on the other things (some absurdly act like the media never makes a mistake reporting the news...).


Some people are programed to skeptical and some people aren't.

Funny, you seem to only be skeptical on the side of the conspiracy theorists. You don't seem to be at all skeptical about the conspiracy theorists themselves. You think only the gov't has an agenda? Guess what, conspiracy theorists also have an agenda. The government isn't the only side that can be full of shit.

[IamRAMBO24]

What is wrong with conspiracy theories. They get so much hate, but it's so stupid because their method is skepticism.

This is why the educational system is so f*cked up: it only tells you how and what to think but it never tells you to question so call "facts." It even comes up with a made term "objectivity" to kill all sorts of skepticism.

Socrates was the father of philosophy because he simply said, "I don't know anything, so I will deny everything and keep looking for answers."

All these kids think they know everything because they are too stupid to think for themselves and need someone of authority to tell them how to think: if the teacher says it, it is true; if the media says it, it is true, if my parents, government, tradition, etc. says it is true, then it must be true.

You get the gist.

The smartest people I know are the ones who are always skeptical and asking questions.

It is when you deny this or that and act like you already know it all is when you are acting stupid.

So f*ck the haters Riddler and keep on pondering for answers you feel aren't there. At least you can take solace in knowing you are not just a tool who believes whatever they are being told.

[Riddler]

Dooms, my e-ga. I'm with you all the way on 9/11; you knew that, you been knew that. However man, I have to say I'm not buying this Sandy Hook incident being a conspiracy. I think it probably hurts the family members very deeply knowing that there are many people out there who think their son or daughter actually didn't die and the gov. just paid them millions to keep their trap shut. I'm sorry, but 20 children?


I can't speak about this Sandy Hook stuff for much longer... gotta let this one go. People here in the OTC are getting mad about this, and I genuinely don't like making people mad (even on the internet)... I'm a nice guy damnit!!!

I can't say I'm fully on board with the Sand Hook Hoax, but I'll just end my thread by saying I'm very skeptical about he whole thing.... And that's different from believing wholeheartedly that 9/11 is a lie.

a couple of threads you should look into:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread918798/pg1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread919223/pg1

Interesting^

[Jackass18]

You can generate that yourself by doing advanced search and giving the date time frame you want. the google search gives you the latest news but puts the date on it you requested

I know, that was a 'print screen' I did to show that Google doesn't always give accurate dates.


notice even though it aired last night there's several going back a few months. It's one of the oldest tricks in the books the conspiracy nuts use and saps just keep buying it

Yep. I've even read posts by people who emailed a site about why a webpage about Sandy Hook had a date 4 days previous to it happening and then acting like their answer was complete bullshit. 'Google never makes mistakes like this! It's a conspiracy and their bullshit excuse is laughable!'

[Riddler]

HOLY $HIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&bpctr=1358599990
The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed


10,918,872 VIEWS
36,225 likes - 9,971 dislikes

These videos are going viral... That's a lot of views.

[Riddler]

Yep.

No.

[Jackass18]

What is wrong with conspiracy theories. They get so much hate, but it's so stupid because their method is skepticism.

This is why the educational system is so f*cked up: it only tells you how and what to think but it never tells you to question so call "facts." It even comes up with a made term "objectivity" to kill all sorts of skepticism.

Socrates was the father of philosophy because he simply said, "I don't know anything, so I will deny everything and keep looking for answers."

All these kids think they know everything because they are too stupid to think for themselves and need someone of authority to tell them how to think: if the teacher says it, it is true; if the media says it, it is true, if my parents, government, tradition, etc. says it is true, then it must be true.

You get the gist.

The smartest people I know are the ones who are always skeptical and asking questions.

It is when you deny this or that and act like you already know it all is when you are acting stupid.

So f*ck the haters Riddler and keep on pondering for answers you feel aren't there. At least you can take solace in knowing you are not just a tool who believes whatever they are being told.

Why do people like you think you're the only skeptical people? Where is the skepticism towards these wacky conspiracy theories? It's one thing to be skeptical and another to buy into whatever bullshit conspiracy theorists twist to fit their agendas. Some people require compelling evidence while people like you seem to cling to whatever flimsy nonsense comes their way. Also, have you ever heard of Occam's razor? But whatever, keep up with your stupid generalizations if they help you sleep at night.

[Jackass18]

There is so much skepticism surrounding Sandy Hook that CNN finally had to address it!!!!

Another reason why the media is addressing it is because there's conspiracy theorist assholes out there harassing the people of Newtown.

[miller-time]

What is wrong with conspiracy theories. They get so much hate, but it's so stupid because their method is skepticism.

This is why the educational system is so f*cked up: it only tells you how and what to think but it never tells you to question so call "facts." It even comes up with a made term "objectivity" to kill all sorts of skepticism.

Socrates was the father of philosophy because he simply said, "I don't know anything, so I will deny everything and keep looking for answers."

All these kids think they know everything because they are too stupid to think for themselves and need someone of authority to tell them how to think: if the teacher says it, it is true; if the media says it, it is true, if my parents, government, tradition, etc. says it is true, then it must be true.

You get the gist.

The smartest people I know are the ones who are always skeptical and asking questions.

It is when you deny this or that and act like you already know it all is when you are acting stupid.

So f*ck the haters Riddler and keep on pondering for answers you feel aren't there. At least you can take solace in knowing you are not just a tool who believes whatever they are being told.

Here is the problem. You let your philosophical enquiry die at the birth of the 20th century. Read Karl Popper and then you will understand the difference between skepticism and the popular conspiracy theory method.

Skepticism is not about asking unwarranted questions, it is about questioning a claim. Conspiracy theorists make claims, they don't ask questions, they take random data points and find a pattern, and based on some correlation they make an assertion. That isn't science and it isn't skepticism.

[daily]

Here is the problem. You let your philosophical enquiry die at the birth of the 20th century. Read Karl Popper and then you will understand the difference between skepticism and the popular conspiracy theory method.

Skepticism is not about accepting unwarranted questions, it is about questioning a claim. Conspiracy theorists make claims, they don't ask questions, they take random data points and find a pattern, and based on some correlation they make an assertion. That isn't science and it isn't skepticism.

Also the modern conspiracy person ( I won't use theorist) doesn't stop at that. They photoshop, they manipulate facts, they ignore facts, they alter audio/video files, they knowingly drag people that had nothing to do with an event into the event and on and on. These people are not investigating a conspiracy they are creating a conspiracy for their mindless followers

[daily]

HOLY $HIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&bpctr=1358599990
The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed


10,918,872 VIEWS
36,225 likes - 9,971 dislikes

These videos are going viral... That's a lot of views.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

[RaininThrees]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Unfortunately, Those who need to won't read that.

[KevinNYC]

Here is the problem. You let your philosophical enquiry die at the birth of the 20th century. Read Karl Popper and then you will understand the difference between skepticism and the popular conspiracy theory method.

Skepticism is not about asking unwarranted questions, it is about questioning a claim. Conspiracy theorists make claims, they don't ask questions, they take random data points and find a pattern, and based on some correlation they make an assertion. That isn't science and it isn't skepticism.


Great post, can you elaborate on what Popper says.

[monkeypox]

What is wrong with conspiracy theories. They get so much hate, but it's so stupid because their method is skepticism.

This is why the educational system is so f*cked up: it only tells you how and what to think but it never tells you to question so call "facts." It even comes up with a made term "objectivity" to kill all sorts of skepticism.

Socrates was the father of philosophy because he simply said, "I don't know anything, so I will deny everything and keep looking for answers."

All these kids think they know everything because they are too stupid to think for themselves and need someone of authority to tell them how to think: if the teacher says it, it is true; if the media says it, it is true, if my parents, government, tradition, etc. says it is true, then it must be true.

You get the gist.

The smartest people I know are the ones who are always skeptical and asking questions.

It is when you deny this or that and act like you already know it all is when you are acting stupid.

So f*ck the haters Riddler and keep on pondering for answers you feel aren't there. At least you can take solace in knowing you are not just a tool who believes whatever they are being told.

Their method isn't skepticism. Someone who's skeptical would take fantastical claims like this and do the 5 minutes of research or 10 seconds of logical thought to dismiss them. Conspiracy theorists like to call people sheep all the time but the truth is it takes a far more sheep like mentality to blindly follow this dumb ass claims. Be a skeptic to both sides here. I have yet to see one item in this whole CT that hasn't been thoroughly debunked. It makes me sad that so many people lack the critical thinking skills to see past all this, particularly when there are massive conspiracies likely going on in the world all the time.

[IamRAMBO24]

Here is the problem. You let your philosophical enquiry die at the birth of the 20th century. Read Karl Popper and then you will understand the difference between skepticism and the popular conspiracy theory method.

Skepticism is not about asking unwarranted questions, it is about questioning a claim. Conspiracy theorists make claims, they don't ask questions, they take random data points and find a pattern, and based on some correlation they make an assertion. That isn't science and it isn't skepticism.

I know Popper; explain to me what is it in his method that is far superior to skepticism. As far as I am concern, Popper is only reiterating what skeptics have already known: even full proof facts and ideas can be disproven since everything starts with a theory, so objectivity in and of itself is a wrong premise, and if you truly understand Popper (which I highly doubt), you would admit he would support the position of a conspiracy hypothetical than accepting the "objective" reports of the media and law enforcement. Your position is the exact contradiction to his philosophy of falsification.

This is the premise that you idiots (especially Nathanjizzle) are upholding based on a fallacious premise that appeals to emotions (we shouldn't even question because there are kids involved and it is not moral do so).

Conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. They don't make claims; they create hypotheticals and ask questions. It is the media that makes claims. A good conspiracy theory would only question these claims and not come to their own conclusions.

Keep in mind, I am aware of the fact there are bad conspiracy theories, but there are also good ones that don't claim to know anything other than to point out the discrepancies from the claims of the government, news media, etc.

[IamRAMBO24]

Their method isn't skepticism. Someone who's skeptical would take fantastical claims like this and do the 5 minutes of research or 10 seconds of logical thought to dismiss them. Conspiracy theorists like to call people sheep all the time but the truth is it takes a far more sheep like mentality to blindly follow this dumb ass claims. Be a skeptic to both sides here. I have yet to see one item in this whole CT that hasn't been thoroughly debunked. It makes me sad that so many people lack the critical thinking skills to see past all this, particularly when there are massive conspiracies likely going on in the world all the time.

What the f*ck research are you talking about ...

If I see a facebook page created 4 days prior to the death of one of the victims in the Sandy Hook shooting (Victoria Soto), then what further research do I have to undertake.

The page is there; the facts are there; and the only basic question I have to ask is, "Why was it created 4 days before she died."

I only merely questioned a claim. It is up to you anti-conspiracy nuts to explain to me why the page was created 4 days prior to the death of the person.

Till this day, none of you nerds can answer this simple basic question.

This is one example amongst a million I have.

[IamRAMBO24]

Also the modern conspiracy person ( I won't use theorist) doesn't stop at that. They photoshop, they manipulate facts, they ignore facts, they alter audio/video files, they knowingly drag people that had nothing to do with an event into the event and on and on. These people are not investigating a conspiracy they are creating a conspiracy for their mindless followers

Well that is bullsh*t. There are news reports that do the same sh*t but they are not under the same scrutiny; in fact, normally they are accepted hook, line, and sinker.

Trust me, these conspiracy nuts aren't any worse than the media and government in creating hoaxes and distorting lies.

The difference between them is at least the conspiracy theorists are trying to seek the truth (no matter how flawed) and the media and government are trying to distort the truth.

Their intentions are sound even though they might sound like idiots sometimes, but at least they are being skeptical and asking questions when they see an anomaly .. this seems to be a crime nowadays.

Skepticism is a lost art. The start of modern thinking started (which lead to all the modern philosophies and sciences) when one man said the only thing he knew was he knew nothing and started denying everything the sheeps accepted as true just because someone of higher authority said so.

Food for thought.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

That is stupid.

His explanation for the facebook pages: by using date restricted pages on Google, one can find erroneous dates on articles for the Sandy Hook shootings.

Still bullsh*t. The evidence wasn't based on some stupid search but an actual facebook page created and then deleted when people began questioning.

You anti-conspiracy nuts will believe anything.

[andgar923]

There are 3 types of people:

The Conspiracy Theorist: will look to tie links to form/fit their pre-determined theory.

The Debunkers: Will go into a situation looking to disprove conspiracy theorists.

Neutrals: Will be open minded and more willing to give each side an equal chance.

I feel that I try to be neutral. I've made mistakes in the past in blindly believing theories. But I understand that anything and everything can be possible. I know the history our government (and others around the world) has had, so they are not to be completely trusted, only a blind idiot will buy everything they tell us.

Now, who is to say that IF (again big IF) this is a hoax, that it's government sponsored?

There are big multi billion dollar companies that have a huge stake in all of this, they could be a part of this IF (big IF) this is a hoax of some sorts.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Horrible line of rebuttals. I can't believe you will just accept any explanation without any skeptical thought put into it at all.

His explanation for the facebook pages: by using date restricted pages on Google, one can find erroneous dates on articles for the Sandy Hook shootings.

Still bullsh*t. The evidence wasn't based on some stupid search but an actual facebook page created and then deleted when people began questioning.

You anti-conspiracy nuts will believe anything.

[andgar923]

That is stupid.

His explanation for the facebook pages: by using date restricted pages on Google, one can find erroneous dates on articles for the Sandy Hook shootings.

Still bullsh*t. The evidence wasn't based on some stupid search but an actual facebook page created and then deleted when people began questioning.

You anti-conspiracy nuts will believe anything.

I'm a bit sleepy and tired at the moment, but I wasn't impressed with the supposed 'debunking'.

Again, I'll take another look when I'm not falling asleep.

[IamRAMBO24]

Another stupid diversion and false reporting snopes.com stated:

Christopher Rodia, whose name can be heard on the police radio transmission was not the registered owner of the car Adam Lanza was driving.

If the cops have the license plate and clearly knows it by stating it in the transmission, then it is logical to assume they must know who the registered owner was simply by running the license plate.

The radio transmission clearly revealed the license plate and said it belonged to Adam Lanza when it was actually registered to Christopher Rodia.

This was not a mistake. Snopes.com is pulling whatever crap they can come up and they can get away with it since the anti-conspiracy nuts will accept any explanation hook, line, and sinker.

[Jackass18]

Conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. They don't make claims; they create hypotheticals and ask questions.

WTF? People are harassing the people of Newtown because they think those people are actors. You and others like you are going well beyond merely asking questions and posting hypotheticals. You people go around claiming the media and gov't is lying about everything and hiding the truth. They claim that the government set up Sandy Hook so they could enforce gun control laws. They claim those people are crisis actors. They claim that there were webpages about the shootings before it ever happened. They claim the assault rifle was found in his trunk. Many claims have been made, but none have really been backed up.


This is one example amongst a million I have.

What are the million bullshit claims that you have? What are you talking about with the Rodia thing?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/sandy-hook-and-christopher-rodia-most-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think-2535800.html

[IamRAMBO24]

WTF? People are harassing the people of Newtown because they think those people are actors. You and others like you are going well beyond merely asking questions and posting hypotheticals. You people go around claiming the media and gov't is lying about everything and hiding the truth. They claim that the government set up Sandy Hook so they could enforce gun control laws. They claim those people are crisis actors. They claim that there were webpages about the shootings before it ever happened. They claim the assault rifle was found in his trunk. Many claims have been made, but none have really been backed up.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

The only claim I will stand by is the Victoria Soto page. It was created 4 days prior to her death and conveniently deleted.

The only objective claims out there are by the media and law enforcements; all of those are hypotheticals. Look up the definition of a hypothetical dumbsh*t.

[Jackass18]

I even switched to 'They'. So, you haven't said anything about the government and media lying? You don't act like the media is against us? You're not on here pushing an agenda? You want to play some stupid semantics game to make it seem like you're merely being skeptical? You haven't said the people were actors? You say you're merely asking questions and yet you basically ignore any answer that doesn't fit with what you want.

Don't give me that bullshit when people are stating that the government set it all up, the media is lying and covering up the truth and a bunch of assholes are harassing the people of Newtown. Don't act like people aren't pushing an agenda. But whatever, keep on playing your little games.

[IamRAMBO24]

I even switched to 'They'. So, you haven't said anything about the government and media lying? You don't act like the media is against us? You're not on here pushing an agenda? You want to play some stupid semantics game to make it seem like you're merely being skeptical? You haven't said the people were actors? You say you're merely asking questions and yet you basically ignore any answer that doesn't fit with what you want.

Don't give me that bullshit when people are stating that the government set it all up, the media is lying and covering up the truth and a bunch of assholes are harassing the people of Newtown. Don't act like people aren't pushing an agenda. But whatever, keep on playing your little games.

Just asking questions. The world would be a lot better place if people will seek out anomalies and ask questions instead of acting like a tool and destroying those who even dares to question.

1. A page was created by Victoria Soto 4 days prior to her death.

2. What was the possible explanation.

No agenda; no motive; no deception; you can call it a "conspiracy" but I would like to refer to it as simply being skeptical - a by product of a curious mind.

Sheeps hate it when people ask questions; they are perfectly content with the idea of "objectivity" which they have associated with those in authority. Fact.

[timlush]

You anti-conspiracy nuts will believe anything.

Oh the ironing...

[Riddler]

Oh the ironing...


http://www.betterlifestyleproducts.com.au/lifestyleironingcentre/ironingCompact6.jpg

[daily]

1. A page was created by Victoria Soto 4 days prior to her death.

2. What was the possible explanation.




http://www.firstpost.com/topic/organization/facebook-the-sandy-hook-conspiracies-debunked-the-victoria-soto-faceb-video-TnT7UmDf0a0-37423-32.html

[Jackass18]

Just asking questions.

I've read multiple posts by you where you stated they were actors.


The world would be a lot better place if people will seek out anomalies

There's a difference between seeking them out and refusing to believe any explanation that doesn't say what you want it to say.


and ask questions instead of acting like a tool and destroying those who even dares to question.

That's what you want to think. People aren't out to destroy those who dare to question. Stop trying to play the victim card. Some people want compelling evidence before they'll start jumping on board. I don't see compelling evidence. I see people trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. If you want people to see your side then provide compelling evidence. There's just too many things against the conspiracy theory to jump on board. I don't see you questioning the conspiracy theory side. I only see you defending it.


1. A page was created by Victoria Soto 4 days prior to her death.

That has been explained to death. There are other pages. One is from November 4th.


2. What was the possible explanation.

Here's some questions: What is the explanation for why someone would put it up 4 days too early? Where is any evidence to support it?


Sheeps hate it when people ask questions; they are perfectly content with the idea of "objectivity" which they have associated with those in authority. Fact.

Who are you referring to? Who in here is afraid of people asking questions?

[andgar923]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

I re- read it and while they make some logical explanations, it doesn't fully debunk the vid. It also doesn't address some key claims made in the vid. It gives half assed excuses for others that are just as much of a reach like the ones theorists make.

I think the article will only raise more questions. I can already see theorists focusing their attention on making their claims even stronger.

[daily]

I re- read it and while they make some logical explanations, it doesn't fully debunk the vid. It also doesn't address some key claims made in the vid. It gives half assed excuses for others that are just as much of a reach like the ones theorists make.

I think the article will only raise more questions. I can already see theorists focusing their attention on making their claims even stronger.Instead of speaking in generalizations why don't you address the points you find half "assed"?

I think you'll find if you look into things deeper you'll find half assed conspiracy theories get half assed responses.

Most of those claims made by conspiracists surrounding Newtown are so far off based that there's really no way to respond to them other than with a quick dismissal

[RaininThrees]

Horrible line of rebuttals. I can't believe you will just accept any explanation without any skeptical thought put into it at all.

His explanation for the facebook pages: by using date restricted pages on Google, one can find erroneous dates on articles for the Sandy Hook shootings.

Still bullsh*t. The evidence wasn't based on some stupid search but an actual facebook page created and then deleted when people began questioning.

You anti-conspiracy nuts will believe anything.

The facebook page has been explained about 10 times to you.

If you're too dense to figure it out, it's no wonder that you believe all of this garbage.

[andgar923]

Instead of speaking in generalizations why don't you address the points you find half "assed"?

I think you'll find if you look into things deeper you'll find half assed conspiracy theories get half assed responses.

Most of those claims made by conspiracists surrounding Newtown are so far off based that there's really no way to respond to them other than with a quick dismissal

For starters, they give a half assed excuse when it comes to the guy that discovered the kids. I accept that people are usually confused and their reports vary a bit. But this guy's story was completely different almost every time he gave an interview. I understand some sort of confusion, but he was so sure of himself and what happened, yet his testimony was very different.

The article didn't cover why the roads to the school blocked all aid, it didn't cover why there was that one picture taken but yet there wasn't ambulances, and other response teams all over, why there's only that one picture with no other footage of any sorts. Not saying that this is the end to the argument and that it proves without a shadow of a doubt that it was all a hoax, but what the article doesn't do is debunk the theorists.

Theres other shit that simply asked the reader to dismiss anything and everything without making a concrete argument as to why.

In regards to the actors, I don't know if the information regarding the Actor's Guild is true or not. But the government has used actors in other instances. Two examples that stand out at the top of my head are the daughter of a Kuwait oil baron used as a testimony to invade Iraq (the 1st time), another was eye witness related to drug war in the late 80s (or was it early 90s?). Whether they are from an actor's guild/group who knows, but they were exposed as following a script and were associated with a government in some fashion.

Another recent example that comes to mind is the 9/11 Pentagon cab driver. Extremely suspicious behavior and completely different testimonies that were impossible. Yet his testimony was used endlessly, he was used as a key witness for the official story. There's been other interviews given by groups with ties to the government (think tank groups, donors, etc.) or people used as key witnesses that had ties, some of them were promoted as non-partisan or just average folk, yet had ties to conservative think tanks and so fort.

These aren't conspiracies either, these aren't stretches or assumptions, these are FACTS.

So it doesn't surprise me if allegations are made of "actors" or manipulated (scripted) interviews. The government (or government related groups) have had a rich history of orchestrating, covering up and manipulating events for their gain.

Again, not to say that THIS event is a hoax. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't, because the Snopes article sure as hell doesn't debunk most of what was presented in the vid. I don't fully believe everything stated in the vid, some of the things can be easily explained once one takes a closer look. But it still raises some legit questions that have yet to be answered with a legit response.

[andgar923]

What I do find somewhat ironic is how sides have been turned.

Some of the same people defending Bush and laughing at the theorists, have now switched sides and are attacking Obama, with idiot liberals crying wolf.

At the end of the day, most people will side with their political identity. They'll believe/disbelief with what their party allegiance lies.

[KevinNYC]

What I do find somewhat ironic is how sides have been turned.

Some of the same people defending Bush and laughing at the theorists, have now switched sides and are attacking Obama, with idiot liberals crying wolf.

At the end of the day, most people will side with their political identity. They'll believe/disbelief with what their party allegiance lies.

There's actually no personality type or ideology that explains conspiracy theorists, it's basically a mental trap that is part of the human condition. We can all be paranoid to one degree or another. Also, our brains are literally wired to spot patterns, it's something that has helped us survive. Our brain actually produces dopamine when we spot a pattern....ever wonder why Bejewled or Tetris could occupy people for hours and hours?

[andgar923]

There's actually no personality type or ideology that explains conspiracy theorists, it's basically a mental trap that is part of the human condition. We can all be paranoid to one degree or another. Also, our brains are literally wired to spot patterns, it's something that has helped us survive. Our brain actually produces dopamine when we spot a pattern....ever wonder why Bejewled or Tetris could occupy people for hours and hours?
Not that I disagree, just stating what I've seen during the years. After 9/11 the theory sites were filled with anti bush people, while those adamantly opposing theorists were almost exclusively GOP supporters. Now that Obama is in office I see almost the opposit. A perfect example is FOX news and their attacks on theorists, now that Obama is in office (actually when he was running) THEY become the theorists.

I also find the Tea Party as somewhat of an example. Pre-Obama some of the ideals that the tea baggers appear to represent would've been aligned with leftists with conservatives attacking them. Now it's almost the other way around.

Also find it very telling that Snopes was accused of being pro Bush when he was in office, now conservatives are stating that it has a pro Obama agenda, and that Soros is behind the site, while Liberals defend it.

[Jackass18]

I re- read it and while they make some logical explanations, it doesn't fully debunk the vid. It also doesn't address some key claims made in the vid. It gives half assed excuses for others that are just as much of a reach like the ones theorists make.

Those videos suck. They try to manipulate you into buying into their bullshit, and it comes off quite hypocritical at times. He wants to call out the media for manipulating people? He's doing the same damn thing. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who made the videos made them to troll people.


For starters, they give a half assed excuse when it comes to the guy that discovered the kids. I accept that people are usually confused and their reports vary a bit. But this guy's story was completely different almost every time he gave an interview. I understand some sort of confusion, but he was so sure of himself and what happened, yet his testimony was very different.

The funny thing is the guy has been accused of both sides of the coin in that some have said his stories have been suspiciously too consistent while others have said he has been suspiciously inconsistent. To me, it looks like people are really reaching here. People get parts of a story wrong or parts of a story change all the damn time when people are telling them (and that's stories that aren't about rather chaotic events like that one).


The article didn't cover why the roads to the school blocked all aid, it didn't cover why there was that one picture taken but yet there wasn't ambulances, and other response teams all over, why there's only that one picture with no other footage of any sorts. Not saying that this is the end to the argument and that it proves without a shadow of a doubt that it was all a hoax, but what the article doesn't do is debunk the theorists.

There are pictures. The video tried to manipulate you to believe otherwise. There's pictures of various ambulances and such. Part of the video they showed was taken out of context (showing footage well after the event took place).


Again, not to say that THIS event is a hoax. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't, because the Snopes article sure as hell doesn't debunk most of what was presented in the vid. I don't fully believe everything stated in the vid, some of the things can be easily explained once one takes a closer look. But it still raises some legit questions that have yet to be answered with a legit response.

If you think Snopes half-assed it, then you can scroll down and look through the many sources they give, or you could watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snViuRNT5Jk

[KevinNYC]

If you think Snopes half-assed it, then you can scroll down and look through the many sources they give, or you could watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snViuRNT5Jk

Man, I so drunk that night. I don't even remember making that video.

[andgar923]

Those videos suck. They try to manipulate you into buying into their bullshit, and it comes off quite hypocritical at times. He wants to call out the media for manipulating people? He's doing the same damn thing. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who made the videos made them to troll people.



The funny thing is the guy has been accused of both sides of the coin in that some have said his stories have been suspiciously too consistent while others have said he has been suspiciously inconsistent. To me, it looks like people are really reaching here. People get parts of a story wrong or parts of a story change all the damn time when people are telling them (and that's stories that aren't about rather chaotic events like that one).



There are pictures. The video tried to manipulate you to believe otherwise. There's pictures of various ambulances and such. Part of the video they showed was taken out of context (showing footage well after the event took place).



If you think Snopes half-assed it, then you can scroll down and look through the many sources they give, or you could watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snViuRNT5Jk

I actually like that dude, have seen other of his vids. I agree that the hoax author does have an agenda (just like everybody does) and he jumped the gun made a video without doing thorough research in some instances and threw some wild assptions in others.

But this vid keeps citing a poster on reddit, asking us to believe him instead. While I can certainly see the points made, it still doesn't debunk the hoax video completely. It does cause a shadow of doubt on the hoax vid, but doesn't utterly debunk it.

This vid (along with the reddit poster he keeps citing) is also making as many assumptions as the hoax video. They both have their own agenda.

I believe some information on both sides. The debunker asks us to dig deeper and use more logic and don't jump in and fully commit to the hoax vid which I agree 100%.


But based on government history, I know that they've orchestrated and manipulated events to create a bias. They've been exposed for staging events repeatedly to simply and completely ignore.


Im sure there's people smarter and with more time on their hands already working on both sides of the hoax coming up with legit counters to everything along with new info. This story isn't 100% dead yet IMO.

[miller-time]

There's actually no personality type or ideology that explains conspiracy theorists, it's basically a mental trap that is part of the human condition. We can all be paranoid to one degree or another. Also, our brains are literally wired to spot patterns, it's something that has helped us survive. Our brain actually produces dopamine when we spot a pattern....ever wonder why Bejewled or Tetris could occupy people for hours and hours?

This. I was reading an article the other day about why Tetris is so popular, and apparently it is because you are continually making order out of chaos. It is quite similar to the conspiracy theory process when you think about it.

[Riddler]

This. I was reading an article the other day about why Tetris is so popular, and apparently it is because you are continually making order out of chaos. It is quite similar to the conspiracy theory process when you think about it.


you think people want to believe this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4voo-nD1VY

6:35 - 6:50




I like this guy.

[miller-time]

you think people want to believe this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4voo-nD1VY

6:35 - 6:50




I like this guy.

I didn't say they want the stories to be true, the point is they get positive feedback from finding patterns and then arranging those patterns to fit a narrative (good or bad). The problem is that tragedy lends itself to this process.

[Riddler]

This. I was reading an article the other day about why Tetris is so popular, and apparently it is because you are continually making order out of chaos. It is quite similar to the conspiracy theory process when you think about it.

Actually... now that I think about it...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1264091/

maybe you are the one continually making order out of chaos.

[miller-time]

Actually... now that I think about it...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1264091/

maybe you are the one continually making order out of chaos.

I'm not sure what you are getting at?

I couldn't see much about the film on there, but this comment in the forum made me chuckle


Yes, I have. Bill Cooper was tremendous. I think I've heard this movie might have shapeshifting reptilians in it too. Now that's more like it if so.

[Riddler]

I'm not sure what you are getting at?

I couldn't see much about the film on there, but this comment in the forum made me chuckle

:oldlol:

I started reading the forum too...


All I'm saying is that there is a basic psychology that both you and me agree on... People want to make Order out of Chaos.

You say this is why the conspiracy theory process takes place,...

I lean more towards the PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkW-u07C2rY) psychology.

What are THEY gonna do about it!!!????

[miller-time]

:oldlol:

I started reading the forum too...


All I'm saying is that there is a basic psychology that both you and me agree on... People want to make Order out of Chaos.

You say this is why the conspiracy theory process takes place,...

I lean more towards the PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkW-u07C2rY) psychology.

What are THEY gonna do about it!!!????

Well I think the difference between general conspiracy theorists and say skeptics or scientists is that conspiracy theories provide you with an instant feedback because they develop within a very short time. The Sandy Hook conspiracy began within a day of it occurring. Your average psychology study takes months or even years between beginning and publishing - then it takes even longer for peer-review to take place (where the study is either replicated or modified). Both are explaining something about the world, but the process is fundamentally different. In science you don't start writing about single data points as they happen because it creates confusion. Data may be measured at too low a resolution and needs refinement, it may be unexplainable until another piece of data is found, or it may even be measured inaccurately. It is and should be a long and careful process.

If every time a scientist found a piece of data and they made an ominous sounding video about it speculating what it might be, people would have all sorts of crazy beliefs about what is going on in the world because it is incomplete and likely inaccurate work.

[niko]

Youv'e missed my whole point on the thread , there is a certain lack of tact and insensitivity that would lead a person to analyze this situation and demand people look at it as a conspiracy. Kids died. Recently. But that's not interesting to OP, what is interesting to OP is that he might be able to convince strangers on a message board something strange happened. Because little kids getting murdered because the world sucks is not interesting or even registers with him as a problem.

You get off on this conspiracy stuff, i get it. There probably are legitimate strange shit going on in the world. But posting "WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE DEAD KIDS?" is just behavior that strikes me as immature or just loutish and embarrasing.

[Riddler]

conspiracy theories provide you with an instant feedback because they develop within a very short time.

Wait a second... This is the first time in history that a conspiracy theory has developed immediately.

I can't recall a Conspiracy Theory ever developing so quickly.


You do realize it wasn't until Hunt the Boeing hit the internet that I questioned the official story regarding 9/11... and most people didn't become "truthers" until 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-GzvY5anNo
Uploaded on Dec 12, 2006


I can remember showing a video similar to this to -primetime- and we both agreed that it was a ridiculous theory...

Then I watched Loose Change.... :facepalm

Big mistake....

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25344257.jpg

I haven't been the same ever since I watched Loose Change.

Til this day... I still don't understand how anybody can watch that film and be perfectly fine with the official story.

The same way people do research on the psychology of Conspiracy Theorists... I look into the psychology of why people dispute them immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE-IYM9v4I
Psychologists Explain 9/11 Denial - Part 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIHWyJm_9r4
The Arrivals part 24 (Freedom Unplugged)

The arrivals part 24 is very good... Because I made the same mistake the Narrator made.

[Riddler]

Youv'e missed my whole point on the thread , there is a certain lack of tact and insensitivity that would lead a person to analyze this situation and demand people look at it as a conspiracy. Kids died. Recently. But that's not interesting to OP, what is interesting to OP is that he might be able to convince strangers on a message board something strange happened. Because little kids getting murdered because the world sucks is not interesting or even registers with him as a problem.

You get off on this conspiracy stuff, i get it. There probably are legitimate strange shit going on in the world. But posting "WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE DEAD KIDS?" is just behavior that strikes me as immature or just loutish and embarrasing.


Niko, you've said this several times already...

I'm gonna ignore you every time you say this.

It's not because I dislike you, it's because it isn't true.

[miller-time]

Wait a second... This is the first time in history that a conspiracy theory has developed immediately.

I can't recall a Conspiracy Theory ever developing so quickly.

Well besides the Aurora conspiracy, but I guess you could say they are loosely connected.

Actually the 9/11 conspiracy took off fairly quickly too, but probably didn't gain a lot of mainstream acknowledgement until things like YouTube and Facebook started making ways. The funny thing is that when 9/11 happened the conspiracy movement was actually the first time I had ever even really considered that the media and the government may be deceitful (I was about 16 at the time). I would even say I was among the early truther ranks (I am not exaggerating for effect, I seriously accepted the claims). Over time however I started to drift away as more and more absurd and fringe elements came up. In a way I am thankful for the conspiracy movement in its role of beginning my intellectual curiosity.

[Riddler]

Well besides the Aurora conspiracy, but I guess you could say they are loosely connected.

Actually the 9/11 conspiracy took off fairly quickly too, but probably didn't gain a lot of mainstream acknowledgement until things like YouTube and Facebook started making ways. The funny thing is that when 9/11 happened the conspiracy movement was actually the first time I had ever even really considered that the media and the government may be deceitful (I was about 16 at the time). I would even say I was among the early truther ranks (I am not exaggerating for effect, I seriously accepted the claims). Over time however I started to drift away as more and more absurd and fringe elements came up. In a way I am thankful for the conspiracy movement in its role of beginning my intellectual curiosity.


So what year did you first hear about a 9/11 conspiracy?

Because it wasn't until late 2006 until I had heard about it...

and again,... let me post the same video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE-IYM9v4I

please watch from 6:35 - 7:50

I literally had almost the same reaction... except I fell to the ground and cried like a little b*tch... I didn't go for a walk... I just fell to the ground and cried.

The truth hurts.




As far as the Aurora shooting goes...

This video doesn't help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXxYQBwo7aU

[miller-time]

So what year did you first hear about a 9/11 conspiracy?

I'd be guessing, but I'd say early to mid 2002. Although I remember in 2001 people talking about the melting steel problem, but I'm not sure how developed the entire theory was.

[KevinNYC]

Youv'e missed my whole point on the thread , there is a certain lack of tact and insensitivity that would lead a person to analyze this situation and demand people look at it as a conspiracy. Kids died. Recently. But that's not interesting to OP, what is interesting to OP is that he might be able to convince strangers on a message board something strange happened. Because little kids getting murdered because the world sucks is not interesting or even registers with him as a problem.

You get off on this conspiracy stuff, i get it. There probably are legitimate strange shit going on in the world. But posting "WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE DEAD KIDS?" is just behavior that strikes me as immature or just loutish and embarrasing.

Basically, it's because there's a certain level of alienation already going on in the people. In a media-saturated age, you see so much that you have no control over, that you can start seeing other people as abstract, as concepts to ponder, especially the further distance you have from the event. Remember jokes about famine in Africa?
How many Ethiopians can you fit in one bath tube? NO one knows they keep slipping down the drain!!!
Most people didn't know any starving Ethiopians so they are not real to you, not flesh and blood.

I think there's a similar phenomenon going on here. Hence the Matrix imagery, where the entire world is just a simulation. If you have kids, it's probably harder to view Newton through a conceptual lens. Or just as if someone in your family is a cop or works at the local news station, the idea of conspiracy like this would be particularly ludicrous.

Because what these conspiracy websites are saying is that these are not separate conspiracies--like Timonthy McVeigh and Terry Nichols conspired to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma was a discreet event. Newton is just another manifestation of the ongoing government conspiracy. Even when the people in the government changes, even when different parties take over, they are all still in on it. That's why the Newton theories can pop up so quickly, because everything's already in place, so they start looking for anything they feel is not real.

When you are alienated, you have a poor sense of empathy so you can start believing the worst of others including hundreds and hundreds of unconnected people, like everyone at Newton who must have collaborated on this coverup.

[miller-time]

Basically, it's because there's a certain level of alienation already going on in the people. In a media-saturated age, you see so much that you have no control over, that you can start seeing other people as abstract, as concepts to ponder, especially the further distance you have from the event. Remember jokes about famine in Africa?
How many Ethiopians can you fit in one bath tube? NO one knows they keep slipping down the drain!!!
Most people didn't know any starving Ethiopians so they are not real to you, not flesh and blood.

I think there's a similar phenomenon going on here. Hence the Matrix imagery, where the entire world is just a simulation. If you have kids, it's probably harder to view Newton through a conceptual lens. Or just as if someone in your family is a cop or works at the local news station, the idea of conspiracy like this would be particularly ludicrous.

Because what these conspiracy websites are saying is that these are not separate conspiracies--like Timonthy McVeigh and Terry Nichols conspired to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma was a discreet event. Newton is just another manifestation of the ongoing government conspiracy. Even when the people in the government changes, even when different parties take over, they are all still in on it. That's why the Newton theories can pop up so quickly, because everything's already in place, so they start looking for anything they feel is not real.

When you are alienated, you have a poor sense of empathy so you can start believing the worst of others including hundreds and hundreds of unconnected people, like everyone at Newton who must have collaborated on this coverup.

I think you mean Newtown. I had to reread that sentence like 10 times before I figured it out. I thought you were talking about Issac Newton and I was all like :biggums:

[MMM]

I think you mean Newtown. I had to reread that sentence like 10 times before I figured it out. I thought you were talking about Issac Newton and I was all like :biggums:

I just read it as Newtown, didn't even realize the spelling

[miller-time]

I just read it as Newtown, didn't even realize the spelling

I think what got me was that the in the sentence before it he was talking about the matrix, so I thought he was using some sort of naturalist or physics analogy. I just woke up from a nap too :oldlol:

[bagelred]

Well, as usual, one of the most basic problems is lack of video, pictures, and....well, most anything that actually proves (1) Lanza actually committed the murders in the school and (2) whether he did or did not do it, whether there were other people involved. Isn't that the most basic thing in the investigation? Make sure he wasn't framed and make sure there weren't other people involved?

Apparently not. No videos, no pictures, no nothing.....no eyewitnesses that can confirm it was Lanza doing the shooting...as usual.

Do you really need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to ask questions?

Early reports said there were multiple shooters. Then just one. Early reports said use of handguns. Then it wasn't.

OK, we'll turn our brains off now......

[Riddler]

Well, as usual, one of the most basic problems is lack of video, pictures, and....well, most anything that actually proves (1) Lanza actually committed the murders in the school and (2) whether he did or did not do it, whether there were other people involved. Isn't that the most basic thing in the investigation? Make sure he wasn't framed and make sure there weren't other people involved?

Apparently not. No videos, no pictures, no nothing.....no eyewitnesses that can confirm it was Lanza doing the shooting...as usual.

Do you really need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to ask questions?

Early reports said there were multiple shooters. Then just one. Early reports said use of handguns. Then it wasn't.

OK, we'll turn our brains off now......





I love the new avatar bagelred.... :applause:

[bagelred]

I love the new avatar bagelred.... :applause:

:crazysam:






:lol

[MMM]

Well, as usual, one of the most basic problems is lack of video, pictures, and....well, most anything that actually proves (1) Lanza actually committed the murders in the school and (2) whether he did or did not do it, whether there were other people involved. Isn't that the most basic thing in the investigation? Make sure he wasn't framed and make sure there weren't other people involved?

Apparently not. No videos, no pictures, no nothing.....no eyewitnesses that can confirm it was Lanza doing the shooting...as usual.

Do you really need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to ask questions?

Early reports said there were multiple shooters. Then just one. Early reports said use of handguns. Then it wasn't.

OK, we'll turn our brains off now......

The general public is not going to get access to what you asking for in most situations, why would this be any different???

[Riddler]

The general public is not going to get access to what you asking for in most situations, why would this be any different???

That's been the problem since JFK got his head blown off in my city....

The public gets nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BckPa2_A8gI

Oh and BTW.... bagelred.... Let's not forget who Tommy Lee Jones played in JFK.

maybe that's why he was unable to smile... because he knows the truth.

[Riddler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BckPa2_A8gI



"Nothing as long you live will ever be more important"

[miller-time]

The public gets nothing.

It is a catch 22 though. Honestly I don't think you could really want to see the victims of the SH shooting, and releasing the photo of Lanza may only contribute to his posterity.

I'm not talking about all events, but in these types cases I don't see any point in releasing photos. I guess the difference between you and I is that I'm not presupposing there is a conspiracy.

[andgar923]

Well, as usual, one of the most basic problems is lack of video, pictures, and....well, most anything that actually proves (1) Lanza actually committed the murders in the school and (2) whether he did or did not do it, whether there were other people involved. Isn't that the most basic thing in the investigation? Make sure he wasn't framed and make sure there weren't other people involved?

Apparently not. No videos, no pictures, no nothing.....no eyewitnesses that can confirm it was Lanza doing the shooting...as usual.

Do you really need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to ask questions?

Early reports said there were multiple shooters. Then just one. Early reports said use of handguns. Then it wasn't.

OK, we'll turn our brains off now......

But don't you agree that some initial reports can be wrong?

Agencies rush information and in the process get shit wrong, initial shock can confuse some eye witnesses as well.

Not that I disagree with your overall sentiments, just thought some things could be explained rationally.

[IamRAMBO24]

Well, as usual, one of the most basic problems is lack of video, pictures, and....well, most anything that actually proves (1) Lanza actually committed the murders in the school and (2) whether he did or did not do it, whether there were other people involved. Isn't that the most basic thing in the investigation? Make sure he wasn't framed and make sure there weren't other people involved?

Apparently not. No videos, no pictures, no nothing.....no eyewitnesses that can confirm it was Lanza doing the shooting...as usual.

Do you really need to be a "conspiracy theorist" to ask questions?

Early reports said there were multiple shooters. Then just one. Early reports said use of handguns. Then it wasn't.

OK, we'll turn our brains off now......

Yup. This is the same problem I am trying to address. It seems like the anti-conspiracy nuts are using every logical deception at their disposal to discard the anomalies:

Appeal to emotions: they won't engage in the argument because there are kids involve. Imagine if no argument will ever be engaged if there are casualties. It is like saying we should not discuss the Vietnam war because so many soldiers died.

Appeal to authority: time and time again there are contradictory statements made, lack of evidence, child and adult actors, etc. and when someone points this out, all these nuts do is appeal to the official authority statement and say everyone is stupid for even questioning their position.

Above all, it is so stupid how they fail to see the many anomalies and ask themselves there might be more than what they are being told. First, there is a motive in all of this; second there are supporting evidences of child actors; third, there are instances of facebook comments and pages that were created prior to the deaths of the people, in fact, there was an interview of the principle in the newspaper on the day she was supposed to be dead (which all got conveniently deleted afterwards).

Of course, there will always be an excuse: media is incompetent, we shouldn't be talking about kids, everyone acts differently in a crisis although, conveniently, all of the stage actors acted the same (no real emotions, no tears, staged lines, etc).

You can't win with these idiots because they already have their mind set that such a thing can't ever happen and they will find every logical deceptive use of language to convince themselves and others.

My official position is this: if you have 1 anomalie and maybe a couple more, sure, you can explain those away if they were circumstantial, but c'mon, we have over 10 anomalies, I mean, in a court of law, with that many contradiction in the official statement of the defendant it would be logical to conclude he is lying no matter how many excuses he tries to counteract with the accusation.

It is like these nuts are willing to take whatever explanation pulled out of anyone's a*s as fool proof it is correct even if it is dumb as sh*t.

And they are calling conspiracy theorists stupid. Whatever dude.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/organization/facebook-the-sandy-hook-conspiracies-debunked-the-victoria-soto-faceb-video-TnT7UmDf0a0-37423-32.html

Yea yea this couple with Robbie Parker and the interview with the principle the day she was supposed to be dead has lead me to the conclusion that page was made prior to her death NO MATTER HOW MANY EXCUSES YOU GUYS TRY TO THROW OUT THERE.

If it is one anomalie, sure, you can say I am overreacting, but we are talking about multiple instances here.

You can give an excuse for each and every point, but if it happens over and over again, then a smart and logical mind will say to themselves those excuses might be bullsh*t, not just be oblivious to the many anomalies out there.

I bet you anything you would act like the same cop who let Jeffrey Dahmer go just because he said he didn't do it, and then when he kills another, you ask him the same thing, and he gives another excuse, and then it happens again, and you take his word for it ... excuse after excuses .. it doesn't matter how absurd.

You are simply content with whatever answer because you refuse to believe he did it. Horrible analogy but you get the point.

[Jackass18]

The same way people do research on the psychology of Conspiracy Theorists... I look into the psychology of why people dispute them immediately.

I used to be a person who bought into all this conspiracy theory shit years and years ago, but as I saw more and more and more and more bullshit from them (and yes, I know there's a lot of bullshit from the gov't and media, too) it came to a point that I became suspicious and distrusting of them.

Why wouldn't you try to dispute them? Are you just going to blindly believe what they say? Why not look into what they're saying to see if it's actually true? For those videos, I think it's pretty telling that the video maker had to bullshit, twist things and try to manipulate its viewers. Can you watch them and tell me they don't have an agenda?

[Jackass18]

Yup. This is the same problem I am trying to address. It seems like the anti-conspiracy nuts are using every logical deception at their disposal to discard the anomalies:

LOL, you're so defensive that this is the bullshit you're now reduced to? Calling people who don't buy into a lack of compelling evidence nuts? People who aren't manipulated by shitty videos are the nuts? You're full of shit and I can see why you buy in so hard (while pretending you're merely asking questions).


Above all, it is so stupid how they fail to see the many anomalies and ask themselves there might be more than what they are being told.

What are all the anomalies? Just because you don't want to believe the explanations doesn't make them anomalies. What is not being told? I'd love to hear if there's something actually there. So, what is it?


First, there is a motive in all of this; second there are supporting evidences of child actors

Where is the evidence?


third, there are instances of facebook comments and pages that were created prior to the deaths of the people

It's been explained to death but you refuse to listen. And, what comments? I haven't seen a single comment from any of those facebook pages that looks like it was made before the shooting.


in fact, there was an interview of the principle in the newspaper on the day she was supposed to be dead (which all got conveniently deleted afterwards).

Because errors are never made in chaotic situations, right? What, you think that Newspaper is also in on the conspiracy and they're so dumb that they forgot the principal was killed? What is their role in it then?


media is incompetent

LOL, I bet you say it is incompetent when it's convenient for you to do so, and if you think the media never makes errors, then you're a fool.


everyone acts differently in a crisis although

They don't? Have you ever been in one?


conveniently, all of the stage actors acted the same (no real emotions, no tears, staged lines, etc).

WTF? They showed tears and real emotions. You're just continuing to make things up here.


You can't win with these idiots because they already have their mind set that such a thing can't ever happen and they will find every logical deceptive use of language to convince themselves and others.

Hmmm, looks like something you're saying to yourself here, so let's move on.


My official position is this: if you have 1 anomalie and maybe a couple more, sure, you can explain those away if they were circumstantial, but c'mon, we have over 10 anomalies, I mean, in a court of law, with that many contradiction in the official statement of the defendant it would be logical to conclude he is lying no matter how many excuses he tries to counteract with the accusation.

Your official position is that you're pushing some sort of stupid agenda here.


It is like these nuts are willing to take whatever explanation pulled out of anyone's a*s as fool proof it is correct even if it is dumb as sh*t.

You're getting desperate. Your whole post was just rather sad...