LeBron Is The Best Player In The Game.

[Soundwave]

Steve Kerr was right, Durant is there, but not on the same level.

Made Kobe look like a weak old fart tonight.

I've seen him have some amazing games, but he's just in total control.

Pat Riley go do your job and get a big at the deadline, there's no stopping this man.

[knickswin]

this has been obvious for years

[Magic 32]

Steve Kerr was right, Durant is there, but not on the same level.

Made Kobe look like a weak old fart tonight.

I've seen him have some amazing games, but he's just in total control.

Pat Riley go do your job and get a big at the deadline, there's no stopping this man.

Kobe is old.........idiot.

[Screamingdoom]

Yup his control over the flow of the game is amazing. I especially like that barrel roll hustle he pulled off. I was also happy to see him throw a tantrum at Joel Anthony when Joel didn't pull off the play correctly. Shows you he's passionate about winning.

[jimmy77x]

thank you for stating the obvious :facepalm you lebron stans are so insecure you act as if this dude is your relative or something, its pretty sad

[red1]

no doubt

[RoboticWang]

thank you for stating the obvious :facepalm you lebron stans are so insecure you act as if this dude is your relative or something, its pretty sad
GAWDBE! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

I'm not a LeBron stan by any means, I'm a Heat fan, but that's quite obvious. We're very spoiled. We see these games on a nightly basis.

[Soundwave]

Yup his control over the flow of the game is amazing. I especially like that barrel roll hustle he pulled off. I was also happy to see him throw a tantrum at Joel Anthony when Joel didn't pull off the play correctly. Shows you he's passionate about winning.

Yeah, you can see it there's something different about LeBron now that he's won a title. Like Moses coming down from the mountain :oldlol:

Just complete control of the game. Amazing.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Diud, all lebron did was sprint and dunk alone cause lakers turned it over like it was their job. He hit a couple o shots when ray had iced it for him and claimed clutch rights :no:

[ganja0710]

And this is seriously new to you?

Even the biggest Durant homer like joyner would admit this. Wait, no. He still wouldnt.

[BrickingStar]

thank you for stating the obvious :facepalm you lebron stans are so insecure you act as if this dude is your relative or something, its pretty sad
I like how you don't include kobe stans at same level of insecurity or more:lol

[TylerOO]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png

[BuffaloBill]

Lebron barely escaped the Lakers. Durant already destroyed them twice this year.



I'm not saying Durant is better. I'm just saying this game really didn't prove anything.

[KG215]

Almost no one thinks differently. Oh, and Durant had an equally impressive (if not more impressive) performance on Kobe and the Lakers just last Friday and had total control of the game.

But I agree, LeBron's still the best in the game. Almost no one but the most hardcore of Kobe stans still think he's the best.

[red1]

Diud, all lebron did was sprint and dunk alone cause lakers turned it over like it was their job. He hit a couple o shots when ray had iced it for him and claimed clutch rights :no:
leclutch swaggin all over your team

[LilEddyCurry]

Anyone who thinks Kevin Durant is better is delusional, not saying Kevin Durant is too far from Lebron.

[DaSeba5]

Almost no one thinks differently. People just think Durant's the league MVP right now. Besides, Durant had an equally impressive (if not more impressive) performance on Kobe and the Lakers just last Friday and had total control of the game.

But I agree, LeBron's still the best in the game.

I agree. LeBron is the best in the game, but Durant has been terrific this season and with the best record in the NBA, he's almost a lock for the MVP. I don't know how much people are going to judge LeBron on the Heat's record since they are behind the Clippers and Thunder.

[red1]

Anyone who thinks Kevin Durant is better is delusional, not saying Kevin Durant is too far from Lebron.
kd will have his time soon. not yet though, it is mostly kobe fans who are sneakily trying to prop kobe up by saying kd's clutch shooting makes him better than lbj

[Kingwillball]

Obviously is this even in Question.. :confusedshrug:

[jimmy77x]

I like how you don't include kobe stans at same level of insecurity or more:lol

Oh no doubt them too but these kinds of threads are annoying and unnecessary when everyone already know this, heat fans/ lebron d!ckriders just want to keep throwing it in everyones face.

[lpublic_enemyl]

this has been obvious for years
:confusedshrug: people don`t realize this still, this thread is pointless

[BrickingStar]

Lebron barely escaped the Lakers. Durant already destroyed them twice this year.



I'm not saying Durant is better. I'm just saying this game really didn't prove anything.
agreed the last 5 games for the heat against okc did

[Whoah10115]

This has been obvious for a lot of years, tho inaccurate.


It's been the case since 2011 tho. And last season he cemented it well before the playoffs were underway.



And this thread...did you just find this out, watching this game? Well done.

[KG215]

I agree. LeBron is the best in the game, but Durant has been terrific this season and with the best record in the NBA, he's almost a lock for the MVP. I don't know how much people are going to judge LeBron on the Heat's record since they are behind the Clippers and Thunder.
I thought there was a considerable gap between LeBron and Durant as the season started. However, based on this season's play, it's hard not to at least admit Durant his closed that gap a pretty good deal. It may not be permanent, I don't know; and LeBron and the Heat may play and beat Durant and the Thunder in the Finals again; but right now, at this very moment, I think they've both been equally spectacular and dominant this season.

And hey, we all got to see the two best players on the planet shit all over the Lakers in Staples with virtuoso performances. We all win. :cheers:

[DaSeba5]

I thought there was a considerable gap between LeBron and Durant as the season started. However, based on this season's play, it's hard not to at least admit Durant his closed that gap a pretty good deal. It may not be permanent, I don't know; and LeBron and the Heat may play and beat Durant and the Thunder in the Finals again; but right now, at this very moment, I think they've both been equally spectacular and dominant this season.

And hey, we all got to see the two best players on the planet shit all over the Lakers in Staples with virtuoso performances. We all win. :cheers:

Agreed. I don't get into the whole Kobe stan/LeBron stan, LeBron Vs. Durant arguments. I just enjoy the greatness of all these players. :cheers:

[knickswin]

dirk nowitzki > lebron in 2011 playoffs doe

[LEFT4DEAD]

Lebron has been the best player since his 2nd year. :confusedshrug:

[Kingwillball]

I thought there was a considerable gap between LeBron and Durant as the season started. However, based on this season's play, it's hard not to at least admit Durant his closed that gap a pretty good deal. It may not be permanent, I don't know; and LeBron and the Heat may play and beat Durant and the Thunder in the Finals again; but right now, at this very moment, I think they've both been equally spectacular and dominant this season.

And hey, we all got to see the two best players on the planet shit all over the Lakers in Staples with virtuoso performances. We all win. :cheers:


I think Durant cant Guard Lebron while Lebron can at least Semi Defend Durant and keep him to shooting Jumpers. Durant and Lebron close in Rebounding but Lebron passing game is the biggest difference.

[Whoah10115]

I thought there was a considerable gap between LeBron and Durant as the season started. However, based on this season's play, it's hard not to at least admit Durant his closed that gap a pretty good deal. It may not be permanent, I don't know; and LeBron and the Heat may play and beat Durant and the Thunder in the Finals again; but right now, at this very moment, I think they've both been equally spectacular and dominant this season.

And hey, we all got to see the two best players on the planet shit all over the Lakers in Staples with virtuoso performances. We all win. :cheers:



Durant has been better than Lebron this year, but I don't think he's closed the gap all that much.

[Magic bird]

Lebron barely escaped the Lakers. Durant already destroyed them twice this year.



I'm not saying Durant is better. I'm just saying this game really didn't prove anything.
Agreed

[FindingTim]

Lebron has this look in his eye now, that I've never seen before.
it's the quiet confidence of an assassin.
it's like he finally realized, "well shit, I am a badass." and we're all like
"that's what we've been trying to tell you all along, Lebron!"

Prior to the last three seasons, it was always "if only he would do this... if only he would work on this... if only he would realize how dominant he could be"

and now, he has reached that place, the place many of us doubted he would ever reach.

it's something to behold, like a tiny seed finally becoming a great Oak.
and what an Oak it is.

non-sports fans ask me why I love sports so much. I tell them, "because I enjoy watching human greatness." Lebron James is human greatness.

With all the talent in the world, he has overcome all the pressure in the world. And the end result is a basketball player the likes of which we have never seen, and will probably never see again.


(and this is coming from a former Lebron hater)

[Soundwave]

Lebron has this look in his eye now, that I've never seen before.
it's the quiet confidence of an assassin.
it's like he finally realized, "well shit, I am a badass." and we're all like
"that's what we've been trying to tell you all along, Lebron!"

Prior to the last three seasons, it was always "if only he would do this... if only he would work on this... if only he would realize how dominant he could be"

and now, he has reached that place, the place many of us doubted he would ever reach.

it's something to behold, like a tiny seed finally becoming a great Oak.
and what an Oak it is.

non-sports fans ask me why I love sports so much. I tell them, "because I enjoy watching human greatness."

Lebron James is human greatness. With all the talent in the world, he has overcome all the pressure in the world. And the end result is a basketball player the likes of which we have never seen, and will probably never see again.


(and this is coming from a former Lebron hater)

Yeah I agree. I've never seen *that* look in his eyes, he's always been a great player, but there's something different now. Now he has *it*, I don't know even how to define it, it's one of those basketball things that goes beyond just the stat sheet or even the win loss column.

[boozehound]

this has been obvious for years
exactly. Kobe hasnt been in the conversation for at least 3 seasons. Lebron is clearly the best player in the nba

[Magic 32]

exactly. Kobe hasnt been in the conversation for at least 3 seasons. Lebron is clearly the best player in the nba

3 years...3 years....what does that remind me of...

http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/kobe-and-derek-fisher-2.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2dgzyN3UH1qamewv.jpg

[BrickingStar]

3 years...3 years....what does that remind me of...

http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/kobe-and-derek-fisher-2.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2dgzyN3UH1qamewv.jpg
If winning the chip makes you the best players for the entire year then the world would have different GOAT lists

[red1]

Even kobe fans will tell you that lbj was better in 09 and 10. Kobe just had MUCH better teammates and coaching

[Simple Jack]

Yeah I agree. I've never seen *that* look in his eyes, he's always been a great player, but there's something different now. Now he has *it*, I don't know even how to define it, it's one of those basketball things that goes beyond just the stat sheet or even the win loss column.

http://memecrunch.com/image/4fd3b29b1861331c6a0012ac.jpg

[Magic 32]

If winning the chip makes you the best players for the entire year then the world would have different GOAT lists

Being the best in the playoffs would not.

[ihoopallday]

Lebron barely escaped the Lakers. Durant already destroyed them twice this year.



I'm not saying Durant is better. I'm just saying this game really didn't prove anything.

Heat 5-0 against your Thunder team. At least 4 of those proved something: Championship :rockon:

[ganja0710]

Heat 5-0 against your Thunder team. At least 4 of those proved something: Championship :rockon:
He's a Spurs fan, dumbass.

[knicksman]

LOL at lebron being better.. Kobe in his prime is better, and definitely durant right now. If lebron didnt join wade, he would be ringless with durant having one.

[YAWN]

This is why lebron is so good. No one can figure out how to keep him from making layups and dunks all game...

http://a.yfrog.com/img208/7249/3lpw.png

[knicksman]

Even kobe fans will tell you that lbj was better in 09 and 10. Kobe just had MUCH better teammates and coaching

yeah the same with oscar being better than kobe. LOL lebron is nowhere kobe.

[entropy35]

Kd will surpass Lebron, when Lebron finally starts to decline (old age). I don't see KD reaching Lebrons level.

[Kingwillball]

Durant MIGHT surpass Lebron in a few Years but who Knows. I think Lebron has at least 2 or 3 seasons being the games best player and than he might have 2 or 3 more where he is still in top 5. However if he is still winning championships at 31+ will be hard to say he is still not the best.

[pauk]

Just started watching basketball or something? Lebron has been the best since many years ago

[Jyap9675]

thing that separates lebron is his court vision and defense, that's why he's the best..

[madmax]

not only that, he's also a GOAT perimeter player too:applause:
Only Kareem and Wilt can compete with him for overall GOAT title

[Whoah10115]

Just started watching basketball or something? Lebron has been the best since many years ago



I'm gonna keep saying this and I'm going to say it to you, as you love him and you're not a stupid poster.


The argument for Lebron passing Kobe before 2011 is garbage. Him having a better season doesn't make him a better player. He didn't separate himself from Kobe outside of having a better regular season. Kobe wasn't out of his prime in 2009 and only starting to slip in 2010. But when it came down to it, he got it done, round after round after round after round.


On a player of the year argument, it's ridiculous when people argue James over Bryant before 2011. From the standpoint of who is straight up better, it's even more ridiculous. I'd respect if you thought that James at his prime is better than Kobe in his. But it'd be close and Kobe wasn't really out of it when the Lakers won that second title and he most certainly wasn't out of it before 2009. People were projecting Lebron on the basis of it being Lebron and how good he was in the regular season. But that round against Orlando, he didn't have near the impact of his stats. Everyone watching could see that. It wasn't just his teammates not rising up. Lebron didn't either. It was always ridiculous for people to argue James over Bryant then.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just started watching basketball or something? Lebron has been the best since many years ago
Like in 2011 right. With that 3 ppg 4th quarter in the Finals with back to back 0 point 4th quarters. Dirk was the best player in he league that year.

[STATUTORY]

he has surpassed kobe :applause:

it's good to see the next generation overtaking 34 year old mamba. great for the continuity of the league.

[red1]

I'm gonna keep saying this and I'm going to say it to you, as you love him and you're not a stupid poster.


The argument for Lebron passing Kobe before 2011 is garbage. Him having a better season doesn't make him a better player. He didn't separate himself from Kobe outside of having a better regular season. Kobe wasn't out of his prime in 2009 and only starting to slip in 2010. But when it came down to it, he got it done, round after round after round after round.


On a player of the year argument, it's ridiculous when people argue James over Bryant before 2011. From the standpoint of who is straight up better, it's even more ridiculous. I'd respect if you thought that James at his prime is better than Kobe in his. But it'd be close and Kobe wasn't really out of it when the Lakers won that second title and he most certainly wasn't out of it before 2009. People were projecting Lebron on the basis of it being Lebron and how good he was in the regular season. But that round against Orlando, he didn't have near the impact of his stats. Everyone watching could see that. It wasn't just his teammates not rising up. Lebron didn't either. It was always ridiculous for people to argue James over Bryant then.
Lebron was obviously better than kobe for the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Stop arguing this shit son. For the last fcuking time the reason why kobe won and lbj didn't is because one of the two had phil jackson instead of mike brown and lamar odom and pau gasol insteand of mo williams and antawn jamison. Now stfu you nerdy f*gg*t

[Whoah10115]

Lebron was obviously better than kobe for the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Stop arguing this shit son. For the last fcuking time the reason why kobe won and lbj didn't is because one of the two had phil jackson instead of mike brown and lamar odom and pau gasol insteand of mo williams and antawn jamison. Now stfu you nerdy f*gg*t



Listen, don't type tough over the internet. Most of the ones who do wouldn't talk it in person. All I'm saying about that.


I'll say it now as I said it when it was going on. You put Kobe on that Cavs team and they don't lose to Orlando, much less the way Cleveland did. They do lose to Boston in the 2nd round the next season, but not the way that Cavs team did. You put Lebron on those Laker teams and they don't win in 2010. They might not get by the Suns that year. They probably win in 2009 tho.


BTW, outside of you piggybacking the argument someone else made (about big men) you haven't actually said anything other than Lebron was better. And you seem to think that a better regular season means he's passed Bryant. Durant is having a better season than Lebron this year. Is he better than James now? It doesn't work like that. You say what you want, but Howard was the best player on the floor in that series. And that Orlando team, without Nelson, is not as good as that Cleveland team. They still got beat the way they did.

I was right when I said it back then and I was proven right every step along the way. And, as I don't go for revisionism, I'm still right.

[LikeABosh]

Listen, don't type tough over the internet. Most of the ones who do wouldn't talk it in person. All I'm saying about that.


I'll say it now as I said it when it was going on. You put Kobe on that Cavs team and they don't lose to Orlando, much less the way Cleveland did. They do lose to Boston in the 2nd round the next season, but not the way that Cavs team did. You put Lebron on those Laker teams and they don't win in 2010. They might not get by the Suns that year. They probably win in 2009 tho.


BTW, outside of you piggybacking the argument someone else made (about big men) you haven't actually said anything other than Lebron was better. And you seem to think that a better regular season means he's passed Bryant. Durant is having a better season than Lebron this year. Is he better than James now? It doesn't work like that. You say what you want, but Howard was the best player on the floor in that series. And that Orlando team, without Nelson, is not as good as that Cleveland team. They still got beat the way they did.

I was right when I said it back then and I was proven right every step along the way. And, as I don't go for revisionism, I'm still right.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[red1]

Listen, don't type tough over the internet. Most of the ones who do wouldn't talk it in person. All I'm saying about that.


I'll say it now as I said it when it was going on. You put Kobe on that Cavs team and they don't lose to Orlando, much less the way Cleveland did. They do lose to Boston in the 2nd round the next season, but not the way that Cavs team did. You put Lebron on those Laker teams and they don't win in 2010. They might not get by the Suns that year. They probably win in 2009 tho.


BTW, outside of you piggybacking the argument someone else made (about big men) you haven't actually said anything other than Lebron was better. And you seem to think that a better regular season means he's passed Bryant. Durant is having a better season than Lebron this year. Is he better than James now? It doesn't work like that. You say what you want, but Howard was the best player on the floor in that series. And that Orlando team, without Nelson, is not as good as that Cleveland team. They still got beat the way they did.

I was right when I said it back then and I was proven right every step along the way. And, as I don't go for revisionism, I'm still right.
Listen this is the fifth time we are having this discussion and EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME you show that you DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about this subject so stop giving your opinion. Seriously

Do you know how ridiculous you are being when you say that there is no argument that can be made for lbj over kobe during those seasons? Do you know how retarded you are being when you say that swapping kobe for lbj means those cavs teams decisively beat the magic? Once again proving that you don't know shit for the 50th time. Stop wasting my time covering this same shit over and over and stop giving your opinion like you know anything when you just make shit up.

[red1]

Lebron did everything better than kobe during that timespan. Better passer scorer rebounder defender, everything. Kobe is the better shooter. Thats it. You judging the players by who won just shows your inability to think and take things into context. For the last fcuking time you can't judge who the better player was by who won against the magic. Just look at their teams you dumbass. Look at who had phil jackson and lamar and pau. Look who had mike brown mo and varejao.

[red1]

Do you think kobe guarded dwight? Do you think kobe guarded hedo and shard at the same time? No? Then stfu acting like kobe singlehandedly beat the magic and lebron singlehandedly lost to the magic

[NumberSix]

Obvi

[Whoah10115]

Listen this is the fifth time we are having this discussion and EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME you show that you DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about this subject so stop giving your opinion. Seriously

Do you know how ridiculous you are being when you say that there is no argument that can be made for lbj over kobe during those seasons? Do you know how retarded you are being when you say that swapping kobe for lbj means those cavs teams decisively beat the magic? Once again proving that you don't know shit for the 50th time. Stop wasting my time covering this same shit over and over and stop giving your opinion like you know anything when you just make shit up.



Well said. But seriously, the argument for Lebron is very difficult as he didn't separate himself to the extent you'd suggest (in the regular season). Kobe was playing in the West and he still played the way he did and got his team there. Lebron's team was not that good but they weren't worse than a Nelsonless Magic. And he's the best player. I could handle them losing, but the way they lost was bad. Blame it on everyone but Lebron? I wouldn't blame Lebron, but I'd give credit where it's due. Howard was a big part of that. I'm not gonna call Lebron the best player that season when he couldn't get his average team past that average team. It's not a question of it being on him but I'm not going to withhold credit from someone who is getting it done.


And are you any different when you say that there's no argument for Kobe, which you've made clear is what you think? The only difference is that you think you're right, just as I think I'm right. But I'd like to see a guy establish what you're saying he established and he quite clearly did not. Even if you argue his season as better in 2009. how could you argue he'd become a better player than Bryant? Did Kobe start slipping, or did his stats go down with all those options? We could go into whether or not a young Lebron would play within that team or if he'd have to have the ball all the time and doing everything all the time (which didn't suit a team with that kind of talent) but let's not do that. But Lebron surpassed Kobe overall back then? Then you better feel very strongly about that Lebron being better than Kobe ever was. That's a different crazy argument but at least that's a basis.


What about 2010? The regular season gap was bigger Lebron that year, but he most certainly did not play well in that Boston series and his postseason resume is short that year. Kobe was terrific throughout the playoffs and even in the Finals. What is the argument for Lebron that year?

[Shih508]

Listen, don't type tough over the internet. Most of the ones who do wouldn't talk it in person. All I'm saying about that.


I'll say it now as I said it when it was going on. You put Kobe on that Cavs team and they don't lose to Orlando, much less the way Cleveland did. They do lose to Boston in the 2nd round the next season, but not the way that Cavs team did. You put Lebron on those Laker teams and they don't win in 2010. They might not get by the Suns that year. They probably win in 2009 tho.


BTW, outside of you piggybacking the argument someone else made (about big men) you haven't actually said anything other than Lebron was better. And you seem to think that a better regular season means he's passed Bryant. Durant is having a better season than Lebron this year. Is he better than James now? It doesn't work like that. You say what you want, but Howard was the best player on the floor in that series. And that Orlando team, without Nelson, is not as good as that Cleveland team. They still got beat the way they did.

I was right when I said it back then and I was proven right every step along the way. And, as I don't go for revisionism, I'm still right.

Cuz they prolly wouldn't even make the playoff:roll:

[Whoah10115]

And btw, I'm pretty sure it's clear that I don't think Kobe beat the Magic all by his lonesome.


It should also be pretty clear that I think Lebron tried to.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Whoah10115 approaching SacJB levels. Scary.

[red1]

And btw, I'm pretty sure it's clear that I don't think Kobe beat the Magic all by his lonesome.


It should also be pretty clear that I think Lebron tried to.
:wtf: this is exactly what you were just arguing though. dont flip flop

[Whoah10115]

:wtf: this is exactly what you were just arguing though. dont flip flop



No. I'm arguing that Kobe Bryant played better than Lebron James did. I'm saying that if Lebron played as well as Kobe did in the Finals, that Orlando wouldn't have been there for Kobe to beat in the Finals.



Whoah10115 approaching SacJB levels. Scary.



I guess you're the guy who doesn't like Kobe? Kinda bored with this response. I said it back when it was happening and I was right. I'm just as right, right now.

[red1]

And btw, I'm pretty sure it's clear that I don't think Kobe beat the Magic all by his lonesome.


It should also be pretty clear that I think Lebron tried to.


I'll say it now as I said it when it was going on. You put Kobe on that Cavs team and they don't lose to Orlando, much less the way Cleveland did.
:facepalm Im done discussing anything with you.

[Whoah10115]

:facepalm Im done discussing anything with you.



I'm actually OK with this. Because up until now, you haven't discussed. You've been dismissive of everything I've said.


And that's fine, because you think I don't know what I'm talking about. But it hasn't stopped you from arguing over days about this. If you're going to be so dismissive, why do you keep responding? It's like when someone says they don't want something, but they can't stop going back and telling you they don't want it.

What, you know I'm right?


Remember, you can't respond. You're done discussing with me.

[BigTicket]

Lebron is the best player in the game, but Durant is the MVP so far.

[red1]

I'm actually OK with this. Because up until now, you haven't discussed. You've been dismissive of everything I've said.


And that's fine, because you think I don't know what I'm talking about. But it hasn't stopped you from arguing over days about this. If you're going to be so dismissive, why do you keep responding? It's like when someone says they don't want something, but they can't stop going back and telling you they don't want it.

What, you know I'm right?


Remember, you can't respond. You're done discussing with me.
This truly is the last response you will get from me. Your entire argument was that it is ridiculous to consider lbj better than kobe for the 2009 season because kobe's lakers beat the magic and lbj's cavs lost. You are wrong because your simplistic and idealized view of how basketball works does not take into account plainly obvious things such as coaching and talent.

Kobe played an amazing series and was the best player in the finals earning a well-deserved finals mvp but he also got help from his supporting cast that lbj never recieved. Everything that the magic used to beat the cavs was neutralized by the lakers as a team. Lakers neutralized dwight with pau and odom and they neutralized the hedo shard mismatch by having an additional defender with great length in ariza to throw at one of hedo and shard. In addition, derek fisher was clutch on the road in orlando hitting a big shot to bring the game back and give LA an opportunity to win.

Against orlando lbj was every bit as good as kobe was, even better if you ask me as lbj played one of the best series of his life. The decisive difference between the two players who both played a great series against the same team ultimately comes down to the fact that kobe had phil lamar and pau, lebron had mo who choked, z who was old and got schooled by dwight, and delonte who played with a ton of heart but just gave up way too much size at all times to hedo and shard. Not to mention the ineptness of mike brown.

Thus you saying that kobe would beat the magic with lebron's cast is absurd and completely out of touch with reality. You thinking that it is "ridiculous to consider lbj the better player for that year" is even more absurd and once again shows your lack of knowledge on this subject. Lebron was the better help defender and overall defender, passer, rebounder, and scorer that year. Kobe was the better shooter and man defender. Kobe also had an amazing season and was a complete player in every aspect of the game, 2009 was simply lbj's best season and was a season for the ages.

[red1]

I would take 2008 kobe over 2009 kobe despite what the ring and fmvp would tell you

[Whoah10115]

This truly is the last response you will get from me. Your entire argument was that it is ridiculous to consider lbj better than kobe for the 2009 season because kobe's lakers beat the magic and lbj's cavs lost. You are wrong because your simplistic and idealized view of how basketball works does not take into account plainly obvious things such as coaching and talent.

Kobe played an amazing series and was the best player in the finals earning a well-deserved finals mvp but he also got help from his supporting cast that lbj never recieved. Everything that the magic used to beat the cavs was neutralized by kobe's surrounding cast and coaching. Lakers neutralized dwight with pau and odom and they neutralized the hedo shard mismatch by having an additional defender with great length in ariza to throw at one of hedo and shard. In addition, derek fisher was clutch on the road in orlando hitting a big shot to bring the game back and give LA an opportunity to win.

Against orlando lbj was every bit as good as kobe was, even better if you ask me as lbj played one of the best series of his life. The decisive difference between the two players who both played a great series against the same team ultimately comes down to the fact that kobe had phil lamar and pau, lebron had mo who choked, z who was old and got schooled by dwight, and delonte who played with a ton of heart but just gave up way too much size at all times to hedo and shard. Not to mention the ineptness of mike brown.

Thus you saying that kobe would beat the magic with lebron's cast is absurd and completely out of touch with reality. You thinking that it is "ridiculous to consider lbj the better player for that year" is even more absurd and once again shows your lack of knowledge on this subject. Lebron was the better defender, passer, rebounder, and scorer that year. Kobe was the better shooter.



I'm not going to lie. I'm that guy who thinks he can truly beat a woman in an argument.

And I want to argue and tell you that I never said that and that the only simplistic argument is yours. My argument has always been that Lebron put up a lot of crazy numbers in that series and that his impact did not reflect the numbers. I want to make it clear to you, just as you thought you were telling me, that Lebron scoring the way he did, while racking up those assists, does not mean he's playing great team ball and that his game was too individualistic in that series. I wanna tell you that my entire argument has nothing to do with Kobe's team winning and Lebron's team losing. I wanna tell you that if Cleveland got past Orlando and got swept by LA in the Final, that I wouldn't use that as proof that Kobe was better. It's just that Lebron wasn't a million miles ahead of Bryant in the regular season and that Kobe, when getting to the most important stage, played his best basketball. Lebron didn't get that chance but that's part of Kobe's resume for the year.


I want to tell you that the Orlando/Cleveland series was relatively even on paper and that if Lebron was, in fact, the best player, his game would have been the difference. Orlando was not better than Cleveland, without Nelson. You couldn't argue otherwise. Cleveland had homecourt. Of course, Orlando had a great coach and he showed he was a great coach in that series. With that, I'd give Orlando the slight edge. But considering how much better Lebron was than Dwight, considering how good he was supposed to be...if he was the best player, like you said, he'd have been the difference. His team was not outmatched in that series. You don't think the stage was set for him to be the difference? You think Cleveland was so outmatched from 2-12 and at the head coach position that (with HCA) Lebron wasn't in the position to be the big difference in the series? It's not like SVG made a bunch of adjustments on Lebron. He did a great job against Cleveland's frontcourt and Brown didn't make many adjustments. But Lebron did not have the impact on defense in that series that he had throughout the year. His man defense was not as strong on either Lewis or Turkoglu. He didn't roam around as much in that series and he wasn't that impressive when he did. Offensively, he made no one better that series.


But I'm tired of typing, as I can't tell you this, because we're not discussing this anymore. You said you're done and while I appreciate that you acknowledge the series that Bryant played, and I agree with you on how superior his team was, you're still taking a big picture approach and deciding to shoot down my argument by oversimplifying my argument and by telling me that I'm saying what I'm clearly not saying. And seriously, if we're not going to discuss it, then why are you even responding? Because I'm stupid? Then call me stupid and move on. But you're still arguing, and much of your post remains you just throwing insults. Why type so much if your view of me is that simple? Let's be done with this.

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You are a lost cause.

Kobe would not beat orlando with that 09 cavs team, I want you to acknowledge that you are wrong about that. Just say I don't know what I am talking about

It is not "ridiculous to even consider" lebron a better player than kobe for the 2009/2010 seasons, I want you to acknowledge that you are wrong. Just say I don't know what I am talking about.

Just say it. I. Don't. Know. A goddamn thing.

[Whoah10115]

You are a lost cause.

Kobe would not beat orlando with that 09 cavs team, I want you to acknowledge that you are wrong about that. Just say I don't know what I am talking about

It is not "ridiculous to even consider" lebron a better player than kobe for the 2009/2010 seasons, I want you to acknowledge that you are wrong. Just say I don't know what I am talking about.

Just say it. I. Don't. Know. A goddamn thing.



We're not supposed to be talking anymore. So I can't say that. Maybe when we make up.

[Ikill]

I'm gonna keep saying this and I'm going to say it to you, as you love him and you're not a stupid poster.


The argument for Lebron passing Kobe before 2011 is garbage. Him having a better season doesn't make him a better player. He didn't separate himself from Kobe outside of having a better regular season. Kobe wasn't out of his prime in 2009 and only starting to slip in 2010. But when it came down to it, he got it done, round after round after round after round.


On a player of the year argument, it's ridiculous when people argue James over Bryant before 2011. From the standpoint of who is straight up better, it's even more ridiculous. I'd respect if you thought that James at his prime is better than Kobe in his. But it'd be close and Kobe wasn't really out of it when the Lakers won that second title and he most certainly wasn't out of it before 2009. People were projecting Lebron on the basis of it being Lebron and how good he was in the regular season. But that round against Orlando, he didn't have near the impact of his stats. Everyone watching could see that. It wasn't just his teammates not rising up. Lebron didn't either. It was always ridiculous for people to argue James over Bryant then.
:lol

[TheBigVeto]

thank you for stating the obvious :facepalm you lebron stans are so insecure you act as if this dude is your relative or something, its pretty sad

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[La Frescobaldi]

Steve Kerr was right, Durant is there, but not on the same level.

Made Kobe look like a weak old fart tonight.

I've seen him have some amazing games, but he's just in total control.

Pat Riley go do your job and get a big at the deadline, there's no stopping this man.

If the Heat get anywhere close to a top 10 center they can go for all kinds of records. Because yeah LeBron he's the man on top right now no question to me. And Kobe's performance showed clearly the Heat team defense is real. KB is running 30 ppg and tearing up the league somethin FIERCE but yet they pretty much destroyed his offense

They don't even need points out of this big fella - they need rebounding, and they need power in the paint. Because Chris Bosh is a great great player but he's not a freaking 5.
Chris Bosh, LeBron James and a high quality center?

That said, I don't even think it matters that the Heat are playing a 2/3 offensive lineup, no team in today's league can beat them, barring injuries or a coaching debacle

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe would have done better than 38-8-8 on 50% shooting and hitting an insane game winning three! :lol
D'oh10115 at it again:facepalm

[Whoah10115]

Kobe would have done better than 38-8-8 on 50% shooting and hitting an insane game winning three! :lol
D'oh10115 at it again:facepalm



Stats at it again.

[RRR3]

Stats at it again.
:bowdown:

[StateOfMind12]

Lebron is the best player in the game, but Durant is the MVP so far.
/ of thread

[Human Error]

And btw, I'm pretty sure it's clear that I don't think Kobe beat the Magic all by his lonesome.


It should also be pretty clear that I think Lebron tried to.
Stop posting idiot. Kobe with Mo Williams as his best sidekick will not even get the team 30 wins a season.

[Whoah10115]

For all the crazy Kobe stans, there are just as many crazy Lebron stans.


And by crazy, I mean stupid.