Euroleague Refs Counted A Basket That Occurred 2 Seconds After The Game Ended

[Euroleague]

So, the Siena versus Olympiacos game just ended in Euroleague, and already is said to be soon under protest, and there are already some rumors that the Euroleague asked to have police protect the refs to get them out of the area...........

Craziest most insane ref fix I've ever seen in sports history.

Olympiacos had a 3 point lead late in the game and decided to foul, rather than risk giving up a 3 pointer. The refs awarded 3 free throws, even though the foul came before the player was shooting the ball.

Siena made all 3 free throws and tied the game. The replay showed the foul occurred before the shot attempt.

OK, that is bad enough, even worse than anything you ever seen in the NBA playoffs....................

This is where I saw something I can't even believe actually happened in a huge pro league like Euroleague, with millions of people placing bets and watching the game..............

Olympiacos on their last possession, had the ball and did not score, and TIME RAN OUT and the GAME ENDED.

During the middle of the possession, as time RAN OUT, the CLOCK STOPPED. The clock stayed stopped for a 3 whole seconds of time.

Olympiacos players stopped playing, as the time ran out...................

Meanwhile, Siena picked up the ball, AFTER THE GAME ENDED, and scored a layup, a whole THREE SECONDS AFTER THE GAME ENDED.

The refs counted the basket.......................and Siena won the game.


The game will of course most likely be protested, and will then go to the Euroleague for review, and I am sure if they uphold the game it will be taken to the independent sports panel of Europe, to a sports judge. Just like the Euroleague Final Four game with AEK and Baskonia, and then it will probably be ordered that they have to play the game again, just like what happened in that game.

That is, IF the judges are not bought off by the mafia too.

It will be really interesting to see how this plays out, and what Euroleague does. If they uphold the result, then it proves the Euroleague is fixed in at least some part.

It should be interesting to see what they do, as everyone will be able to see from replays that they counted a basket a full 3 seconds after the game ended.

[tpols]

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[B-hoop]

How many Nigerian players does Siena have?

[gabepizza]

hahahaha

And who does Bobby Brown blow past to win the game? Spanoulis! That is why he could not make it in the NBA. If he can't stop Bobby Brown what chance would he have against Wade, CP3, Westbrook, etc...?

[ThunderStruk022]

:oldlol:

Did this dumbass really just post this essay about a bunch of Euroleague nonsense in the NBA forum and expect us to give a shit and then five star his own thread? Is this guy real?

[gabepizza]

And I watched the highlight. Maybe the clock froze for a few seconds while Olympiacos had the ball but from 10 seconds it was regular. It's not like the shot happened when time was over, there was still time on the clock.

Maybe if V-Span could play any defense the results would be different but since he is a slow, unathletic scrub he loses again!

[mattvNJ]

wrong forum no one cares. Both teams suck. Bobby brown blew out vspan last game

/thread

[leijamoosa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFptOlN-UI
I guess this is the game and there was 1.7 seconds left and no-one stopped playing. The **** ya smoking?
:roll:

[ukballer]

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite5_1_18/01/2013_479308

Just shut the **** up, please.

In before FAKE ARTICLE AND I'M A RACIST.

Dickhead.

[Euroleague]

hahahaha

And who does Bobby Brown blow past to win the game? Spanoulis! That is why he could not make it in the NBA. If he can't stop Bobby Brown what chance would he have against Wade, CP3, Westbrook, etc...?

That "basket" happened 3 seconds after the game ended. Spanoulis and the whole Olympiacos team thought the game was over, because the game ended 3 seconds earlier.

Yes, Bobby Brown is the greatest of all time, since he scored a basket 3 seconds after the game ended, when the other team had already stopped playing.

Go **** your cousin you fat, ugly, retarded, fake tanned, Jersey shore Guido piece of shit.

[Mr. Jabbar]

That "basket" happened 2 seconds after the game ended. Spanoulis and the whole Olympiacos team thought the game was over, because the game ended 2 seconds earlier.

Yes, Bobby Brown is the greatest of all time, since he scored a basket 2 seconds after the game ended, when the other team had already stopped playing.

Go **** your cousin you fat, ugly, retarded, fake tanned, Jersey shore Guido piece of shit.



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[Euroleague]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFptOlN-UI
I guess this is the game and there was 1.7 seconds left and no-one stopped playing. The **** ya smoking?
:roll:

You ****ing idiot. The clock STOPPED for three seconds when Olympiacos had the ball. The game ended, but the clock froze.

Siena's basket happened 3 seconds after the end of the game.

Even gabepizza, the biggest troll in the planet even admitted the clock froze.

[gabepizza]

That "basket" happened 2 seconds after the game ended. Spanoulis and the whole Olympiacos team thought the game was over, because the game ended 2 seconds earlier.

Yes, Bobby Brown is the greatest of all time, since he scored a basket 2 seconds after the game ended, when the other team had already stopped playing.

Go **** your cousin you fat, ugly, retarded, fake tanned, Jersey shore Guido piece of shit.

While there was still time on the clock. And it didn't look like they stopped playing, it just looked like they were slow. Do you think Spanoulis has a clock in his head that he knows that the game should have ended 3 seconds before. There was still time on the clock,

[TheCalmInsanity]

He's an idiot. The 4 seconds he's talking about is when the clock got to 10 seconds left in the game, it completely stopped for 4 seconds.

The way he said it though, I thought he meant the buzzer sounded, and while the team was celebrating, the other team picked up the ball and scored.

[leijamoosa]

You ****ing idiot. The clock STOPPED for four seconds when Olympiacos had the ball. The game ended, but the clock froze.

Siena's basket happened 2 seconds after the end of the game.

Even gabepizza, the biggest troll in the planet even admitted the clock froze.

Ok true but can you admit they didn't stop playing? :lol
Why would anyone stop playing before the buzzer :biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

So, the Siena versus Olympiacos game just ended in Euroleague, and already is said to be soon under protest, and there are already some rumors that the Euroleague asked to have police protect the refs to get them out of the area...........

Craziest most insane ref fix I've ever seen in sports history.

Olympiacos had a 3 point lead late in the game and decided to foul, rather than risk giving up a 3 pointer. The refs awarded 3 free throws, even though the foul came before the player was shooting the ball.

Siena made all 3 free throws and tied the game. The replay showed the foul occurred before the shot attempt.

OK, that is bad enough, even worse than anything you ever seen in the NBA playoffs....................

This is where I saw something I can't even believe actually happened in a huge pro league like Euroleague, with millions of people placing bets and watching the game..............

Olympiacos on their last possession, had the ball and did not score, and TIME RAN OUT and the GAME ENDED.

During the middle of the possession, as time RAN OUT, the CLOCK STOPPED. The clock stayed stopped for 4 whole seconds of time.

Olympiacos players stopped playing, as the time ran out...................

Meanwhile, Siena picked up the ball, AFTER THE GAME ENDED, and scored a layup, a whole TWO SECONDS AFTER THE GAME ENDED.

The refs counted the basket.......................and Siena won the game.


The game will of course most likely be protested, and will then go to the Euroleague for review, and I am sure if they uphold the game it will be taken to the independent sports panel of Europe, to a sports judge. Just like the Euroleague Final Four game with AEK and Baskonia, and then it will probably be ordered that they have to play the game again, just like what happened in that game.

That is, IF the judges are not bought off by the mafia too.

It will be really interesting to see how this plays out, and what Euroleague does. If they uphold the result, then it proves the Euroleague is fixed in at least some part.

It should be interesting to see what they do, as everyone will be able to see from replays that they counted a basket a full 2 seconds after the game ended.
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[bdreason]

Wrong forum. Mods please move or delete.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Hey OP, which NBA team you think would be the best fit for Vassilis Spanoulis? I'm really looking forward to see this this guy in action here.

[Pacers4ever]

Vspan clearly didn't know what time was on the clock and was still trying to defend (they never stopped playing) just goes to show you how much of a bad defender/choker he is. Seriously failing his country to beat a shit team like nigeria and now this? Embarrassing :facepalm

[Euroleague]

While there was still time on the clock. And it didn't look like they stopped playing, it just looked like they were slow. Do you think Spanoulis has a clock in his head that he knows that the game should have ended 3 seconds before. There was still time on the clock,

Of course the players know the game ended. What the **** is wrong with you? Anyone that has ever played organized basketball has to learn how much time on the clock relates to the play on the court.

You actually think that professional players don't know the difference between something like 14 seconds and something like 10 seconds? SERIOUSLY?

Everyone could even see the clock stopped while they had the ball. Do you really think no player, especially the point guard, and no coaches or no one on the bench saw that the clock stopped for 4 seconds while they had the ball?

You obviously have never in your life played basketball.

No one else on Siena even thought the game was still going on. The rest of the Siena players except for Hackett were just standing there confused as to what the **** was happening.

[gabepizza]

Of course the players know the game ended. What the **** is wrong with you? Anyone that has ever played organized basketball has to learn how much time on the clock relates to the play on the court.

You actually think that professional players don't know the difference between something like 14 seconds and something like 10 seconds? SERIOUSLY?

Everyone could even see the clock stopped while they had the ball. Do you really think no player, especially the point guard, and no coaches or no one on the bench saw that the clock stopped for 4 seconds while they had the ball?

You obviously have never in your life played basketball.

No one else on Siena even thought the game was still going on. The rest of the Siena players except for Hackett were just standing there confused as to what the **** was happening.

You idiot. If they saw the clock stop why did they keep playing? And if they did see the clock stop and start again wouldn't they continue to play because they know there was more time?

And lastly if you look at the replay Spanoulis did not stop playing, he tried to play defense. Tried.

[Euroleague]

Ok true but can you admit they didn't stop playing? :lol
Why would anyone stop playing before the buzzer :biggums:

Because they thought the game was over. Every player knows how much time there should be on the clock.

For example, Bobby Brown goes from the other court all the way down to score a layup in 6 seconds........but there was only 4 seconds left in the game.

After Brown crossed the 3 point line, there was no need to guard him, because time had expired. So they let him score, because time expired 3 seconds before he shot the ball.

The refs then counted the basket and Olympiacos did not know what was happening.

Are you actually arguing that teams should be expected to keep playing even after time runs out?

Do you not grasp this? When they looked at the clock, they could see how much time was left and no that it was impossible to score a layup from the other end of the court with 4 seconds left.

[Pacers4ever]

Because they thought the game was over. Every player knows how much time there should be on the clock.

For example, Bobby Brown goes from the other court all the way down to score a layup in 6 seconds........but there was only 4 seconds left in the game.

After Brown crossed the 3 point line, there was no need to guard him, because time had expired. So they let him score, because time expired 2 seconds before he shot the ball.

The refs then counted the basket and Olympiacos did not know what was happening.

Are you actually arguing that teams should be expected to keep playing even after time runs out?

Do you not grasp this? When they looked at the clock, they could see how much time was left and no that it was impossible to score a layup from the other end of the court with 4 seconds left.
vspan never argued about the clock and never looked at it even after the pause. He tried to defend him and got schooled. Great D league player but nothing special

[mattvNJ]

Because they thought the game was over. Every player knows how much time there should be on the clock.

For example, Bobby Brown goes from the other court all the way down to score a layup in 6 seconds........but there was only 4 seconds left in the game.

After Brown crossed the 3 point line, there was no need to guard him, because time had expired. So they let him score, because time expired 2 seconds before he shot the ball.

The refs then counted the basket and Olympiacos did not know what was happening.

Are you actually arguing that teams should be expected to keep playing even after time runs out?

Do you not grasp this? When they looked at the clock, they could see how much time was left and no that it was impossible to score a layup from the other end of the court with 4 seconds left.

so your saying that they just looked at the clock and said "ahhh **** it" When the guy has the rock and could atleast get off a three or another shot uncontested. Thats bull, theyd guard him. They can see the clocks and obviously saw the adjustment in time and in crunch time you dont let plays slide that like even despite there not being ample time for a court to court lay up. You ensure he doesnt get off a good shot regardless. Vspan sucks, you suck, yes im racist, psychotic, and a retard. Piss off.

[Fiba basketball]

You idiot. If they saw the clock stop why did they keep playing? And if they did see the clock stop and start again wouldn't they continue to play because they know there was more time?

And lastly if you look at the replay Spanoulis did not stop playing, he tried to play defense. Tried.

Clock did stop , Spanoulis would have fouled Brown if it didn't .

@ Euroleague

How you like Law now ?

[Rooster]

Hey OP, which NBA team you think would be the best fit for Vassilis Spanoulis? I'm really looking forward to see this this guy in action here.

3 points 3 turnovers on 30% shooting. If you can not beat Skip, Lucas and Head in the rotation on your prime, you can't fit anywhere.

[Euroleague]

He's an idiot. The 4 seconds he's talking about is when the clock got to 10 seconds left in the game, it completely stopped for 4 seconds.

The way he said it though, I thought he meant the buzzer sounded, and while the team was celebrating, the other team picked up the ball and scored.

That is NOT what I said. I said that the clock stopped and time ran out, as the other team knew the time ran out, Siena scored after time ran out.

The refs are supposed to take a count with their watches of the game, separate from the game clock. So they just stood there and allowed a basket that happened 3 seconds after the time expired, according to TV instant replay.

[Euroleague]

Greek TV showed the review, and Brown's basket came at a full three seconds after the 40 minute mark...............

[gabepizza]

Clock did stop , Spanoulis would have fouled Brown if it didn't .

@ Euroleague

How you like Law now ?

What is that suppose to mean? You mean he would have fouled him to put him on the line needing to make one of two free throws to win the game when he just made three in a row?

[Magic bird]

:biggums:

[Euroleague]

You idiot. If they saw the clock stop why did they keep playing? And if they did see the clock stop and start again wouldn't they continue to play because they know there was more time?

And lastly if you look at the replay Spanoulis did not stop playing, he tried to play defense. Tried.

They did NOT try to play defense past the 0 second mark you ****ing moron.

Anyway, they said now that the game can already be protested and that someone will definitely be punished for the clock stopping, if they file a protest.

Bobby Brown sure is awesome. Scored the last 5 points of the game purely from refs. No wonder you like him so much. He's a mafia scumbag, just like you.

[ErhnamDjinn]

dont we have a international basketball section on this forum, what's the relevance of this thread here?Mods should infract people who violate wrong forum posting.

[Fiba basketball]

What is that suppose to mean? You mean he would have fouled him to put him on the line needing to make one of two free throws to win the game when he just made three in a row?

If there was time for Brown to score from fastbreak Spanoulis would have fouled him because Brown would have scored if he wouldn't and this way Olympiacos would have more time for their last shot .

[Euroleague]

so your saying that they just looked at the clock and said "ahhh **** it" When the guy has the rock and could atleast get off a three or another shot uncontested. Thats bull, theyd guard him. They can see the clocks and obviously saw the adjustment in time and in crunch time you dont let plays slide that like even despite there not being ample time for a court to court lay up. You ensure he doesnt get off a good shot regardless. Vspan sucks, you suck, yes im racist, psychotic, and a retard. Piss off.

Wow, the people at this forum really are disturbed psychopaths. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU defending the mafia blatantly rigging a game by stopping the clock then counting a basket 3 seconds after time expired.

And EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE IS DEFENDING THAT.

Not one of you scumbags is anything but a total psycho.

EXCUSE ME for ****ing thinking that so-called "real basketball fans" would be upset that something like this can occur and that it proves the mafia fixes games.

But no................you are all so happy it happened even. What a ****ing disgrace every single one of you pieces of shit is.

Yeah, and Tim Donaghy was lying about everything right?

What a bunch of perverted freaks at this site. Actually cheering on and applauding mafia game fixing.

[Euroleague]

Clock did stop , Spanoulis would have fouled Brown if it didn't .

@ Euroleague

How you like Law now ?

Why should Law be blamed for the refs fixing a game? This was actually far more blatant than the PAO Barca game in 96, which is a bit hard to imagine really.

[albas89]

So the refs are responsible for Olympiakos losing a 5-point lead with so little time left in the game... good to know!

If anything Olympiakos had more time to organize his offense and take the final shot. If Hines had hit the open layup that a high school player can make, the refs would be rigged in favor of Olympiakos, right? Damn, you're an idiot...:facepalm

[Euroleague]

What is that suppose to mean? You mean he would have fouled him to put him on the line needing to make one of two free throws to win the game when he just made three in a row?

There is no way that your IQ is above 60.

[gabepizza]

That is NOT what I said. I said that the clock stopped and time ran out, as the other team knew the time ran out, Siena scored after time ran out.

The refs are supposed to take a count with their watches of the game, separate from the game clock. So they just stood there and allowed a basket that happened 3 seconds after the time expired, according to TV instant replay.


You play to you hear the buzzer. You think if Olympiacos got an offensive rebound they would have just stopped playing?

And they didn't stop playing. If you look at the rebound they ran back and tried to play defense. You act as if Spanoulis just stood there and watched Brown score. No he ran back on defense like the rest of Olympiacos. And even after Brown scored there was over a second on the clock for Olympiacos to score. So you said that the players have clocks in their heads that know 3 seconds after the game has ended?

I agree Olympiacos got hosed because of a clock error but that is part of the game, you don't stop playing defense. It was Olympiacos home court so their time keeper and it wasn't a fix, say they got the offensive rebound it would have helped them.

Basically you play to you hear the buzzer, you don't ever stop playing defense. Like in football you play until the whistle.

[Fiba basketball]

Why should Law be blamed for the refs fixing a game? This was actually far more blatant than the PAO Barca game in 96, which is a bit hard to imagine really.

Seriously ? Maybe because he missed a open lay up for +5 , if he hadn't missed that Oly would have won the game . Yes refs helped Siena but Olympiacos gave them a chance to do it by playing bad and Law missing that lay up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Spanoullis is the 3rd best player in the world, he is quicker than Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook COMBINED. So I believe Euroleague is correct here, the game was rigged, no way Spanoullis loses to anyone other than Lebron or Durant (or was it Kobe who is ranked higher than Span?) in a non-rigged game. This game was clearly rigged, as was the game with Ike Diogu.

[gabepizza]

Why should Law be blamed for the refs fixing a game? This was actually far more blatant than the PAO Barca game in 96, which is a bit hard to imagine really.


Fixing? If Law made a layup Olympiacos would have been up by 2 with 7 seconds left.

[Euroleague]

dont we have a international basketball section on this forum, what's the relevance of this thread here?Mods should infract people who violate wrong forum posting.

The relevance and the point of it you stupid ****ing moron, is that the refs fixed a game with millions of bets and millions of viewers. That they did it in a very blatant way, but messing with the shot clock, and then counting a basket that came 3 seconds after regulation ended (on the ref's time clock).

The point is that if this happens in Europe, then why the hell can it not happen in the NBA? This showed that without any doubt whatsoever, the mob does fix games, the refs will do it for them.

Siena is an Italian team, long suspected to be mob run, so this might be an extreme example. But, do you REALLY think that none of the NBA teams have any mob connections?

If you do, then you are a ****ing moron.

The fact is that the refs fixing a game should be pertinent to an NBA forum, as it does indeed show that the things that people suspect are happening in NBA playoff games can very well be true, seeing what happened in this game in Athens.

All the people that say Donaghy made up everything and lied and the mafia never fixes any games are proven wrong today, as it happened right in front of everyone today. So the point is that the mob does fix games, and it's something very pertinent to NBA discussions, since it's the most suspect of all North American leagues in ref controversies.

if you can't grasp this, then you are a ****ing dumb ass.

[bigt]

Yeah the clock stopped, but if you claim they simply stopped trying to defend (watching the highlights I would argue he was trying to defend without foulding and simply got blown by off the fast break personally) then it simply isn't smart basketball. Yes the players, especially the point guard, should know how much time is left on the clock. But they should also know that you do not stop playing until you hear the buzzer. Until that buzzer goes you keep playing hard. The fact they would simply stop (and again I don't think they did from the footage posted here) is stupid basketball, regardless of how much time a player thinks is left.

But yes, the clock did freeze, so they need to put the game up for review

[Phenith]

Because they thought the game was over. Every player knows how much time there should be on the clock.

For example, Bobby Brown goes from the other court all the way down to score a layup in 6 seconds........but there was only 4 seconds left in the game.

After Brown crossed the 3 point line, there was no need to guard him, because time had expired. So they let him score, because time expired 3 seconds before he shot the ball.

The refs then counted the basket and Olympiacos did not know what was happening.

Are you actually arguing that teams should be expected to keep playing even after time runs out?

Do you not grasp this? When they looked at the clock, they could see how much time was left and no that it was impossible to score a layup from the other end of the court with 4 seconds left.

Did you even watch what happened or did you hear it from some guy who hear it from his brothers friend? It's pretty obvious that the players played it out right until it was over. The fact that the clocked stopped for a couple of seconds (at the 10 second mark) really only extended the game that long. Considering that clocks start and stop both late and early all the time, players don't even notice it, they play until the buzzer goes, not by some mental clock. Funny thing is if the clock was slowed on purpose, it was probably to give VSpans team more time to score and it ended up backfiring cuz that winning layup would have been real close to the actual buzzer.

The implication that the refs obviously "fixed" the game is a huge knee jerk reaction probably caused by a final score that you didn't like.

[Euroleague]

So the refs are responsible for Olympiakos losing a 5-point lead with so little time left in the game... good to know!

If anything Olympiakos had more time to organize his offense and take the final shot. If Hines had hit the open layup that a high school player can make, the refs would be rigged in favor of Olympiakos, right? Damn, you're an idiot...:facepalm

They changed the name to Olympiacos 11 years ago. Why don't you join the rest of the world in 2013. ****ing dumb ass.

[Euroleague]

You play to you hear the buzzer. You think if Olympiacos got an offensive rebound they would have just stopped playing?

And they didn't stop playing. If you look at the rebound they ran back and tried to play defense. You act as if Spanoulis just stood there and watched Brown score. No he ran back on defense like the rest of Olympiacos. And even after Brown scored there was over a second on the clock for Olympiacos to score. So you said that the players have clocks in their heads that know 3 seconds after the game has ended?

I agree Olympiacos got hosed because of a clock error but that is part of the game, you don't stop playing defense. It was Olympiacos home court so their time keeper and it wasn't a fix, say they got the offensive rebound it would have helped them.

Basically you play to you hear the buzzer, you don't ever stop playing defense. Like in football you play until the whistle.

God damn you are a stupid. As was already told to you, Euroleague teams always FOUL at the end of the game.

It's a rule and every single player must do that. Fiba already explained it to you. If there is time left on the clock, then Euroleague teams always foul. Spanoulis let him go and score because time should have ended. Otherwise he would foul him, because that is a Euroleague RULE for all clubs.

You are the dumbest person alive.

[gabepizza]

Spanoulis can kiss his Euroleague MVP goodbye. He will never win one!

:rockon:

[gabepizza]

God damn you are a stupid. As was already told to you, Euroleague teams always FOUL at the end of the game.

It's a rule and every single player must do that. Fiba already explained it to you. If there is time left on the clock, then Euroleague teams always foul. Spanoulis let him go and score because time should have ended. Otherwise he would foul him, because that is a Euroleague RULE for all clubs.

You are the dumbest person alive.

So then why did he even run back with him? Why not just stand there and walk off the court then?

[Mach_3]

The hell? Did the league say anything about this?

[Fiba basketball]

Fixing? If Law made a layup Olympiacos would have been up by 2 with 7 seconds left.
It looks like you don't even know who Law is , it's stupid to discousse about something you don't know about . You are talking about Hines , Law missed a lot easier layup for +5 .

[Nash]

Man, you guys are so mean. Euroleague is trying to have an open to heart conversation with ya'll about his problems with Euroleague and you guys clown him? :D

[Euroleague]

Seriously ? Maybe because he missed a open lay up for +5 , if he hadn't missed that Oly would have won the game . Yes refs helped Siena but Olympiacos gave them a chance to do it by playing bad and Law missing that lay up.

Yes, but what about when Antic fouled Brown BEFORE he was in the act of shooting, and Olympiacos was up by 2 points.

That should have been game over and won right there. But the refs claimed he was shooting and gave him 3 free throws.

The replay showed he shot the ball well after Antic fouled him, and it was not even really a shot, he just wildly threw the ball up in the air.

I can't blame Law for the refs making two huge fixed calls like that and letting the clock stay stuck without blowing the whistle. And you watch Euroleague, so you know that normally when the clock stops, the refs almost immediately blow their whistles, and they do not let the game go on after the clock stops.

Come on now........blaming Law is low, because the game should have actually ended with Antic fouling Brown, back at like the 19 second mark or something like that.

[Euroleague]

Yeah the clock stopped, but if you claim they simply stopped trying to defend (watching the highlights I would argue he was trying to defend without foulding and simply got blown by off the fast break personally) then it simply isn't smart basketball. Yes the players, especially the point guard, should know how much time is left on the clock. But they should also know that you do not stop playing until you hear the buzzer. Until that buzzer goes you keep playing hard. The fact they would simply stop (and again I don't think they did from the footage posted here) is stupid basketball, regardless of how much time a player thinks is left.

But yes, the clock did freeze, so they need to put the game up for review

As Fiba tried to explain to gabepizza, in Europe, teams ALWAYS foul at the end of a game. Even when teams have the lead by 1, are tied, or are down by 1, they often foul on the last possession.

European teams always go for more possessions, and for more time, and try to make the game decided by free throws. The whole coaching staff of Olympiacos would have told every player of the team to foul in that situation.

So if it is true that Spanoulis just let Brown got and did nothing, and did not foul, AND that he knew there was "more time left in the game", then he would also be in on the fix.

Not just the refs, the time keepers, and Brown (no reasonably explanation for why he was the only guy that at first acted like the game was not over), but also Spanoulis.

Because Spanoulis would be under direct orders to foul Brown the second he got the ball.

[albas89]

They changed the name to Olympiacos 11 years ago. Why don't you join the rest of the world in 2013. ****ing dumb ass.
Cause I'm Greek you retard, I will spell it however I want to...:facepalm

You obviously had nothing to say about the rest of my post and decided to attack me for my spelling. Typical...

[Euroleague]

Did you even watch what happened or did you hear it from some guy who hear it from his brothers friend? It's pretty obvious that the players played it out right until it was over. The fact that the clocked stopped for a couple of seconds (at the 10 second mark) really only extended the game that long. Considering that clocks start and stop both late and early all the time, players don't even notice it, they play until the buzzer goes, not by some mental clock. Funny thing is if the clock was slowed on purpose, it was probably to give VSpans team more time to score and it ended up backfiring cuz that winning layup would have been real close to the actual buzzer.

The implication that the refs obviously "fixed" the game is a huge knee jerk reaction probably caused by a final score that you didn't like.

This is complete and utter bullshit. Olympiacos was under orders to foul the other team as soon as they got the ball. What you are saying is that Spanoulis just decided on his own to not foul Brown, even though that is what the coaches told them to do.

You are really out there in trying to defend crooked refs.

And the last score was not "close to the actual buzzer". Greek TV showed the replay, with the official clock of the timekeeper (that refs go by) and the last shot was scored 3 seconds after regulation time, at the 40:03 mark.

Remember, the refs go by the official clock, not the TV broadcast clock.

[gabepizza]

As Fiba tried to explain to gabepizza, in Europe, teams ALWAYS foul at the end of a game. Even when teams have the lead by 1, are tied, or are down by 1, they often foul on the last possession.

European teams always go for more possessions, and for more time, and try to make the game decided by free throws. The whole coaching staff of Olympiacos would have told every player of the team to foul in that situation.

So if it is true that Spanoulis just let Brown got and did nothing, and did not foul, AND that he knew there was "more time left in the game", then he would also be in on the fix.

Not just the refs, the time keepers, and Brown (no reasonably explanation for why he was the only guy that at first acted like the game was not over), but also Spanoulis.

Because Spanoulis would be under direct orders to foul Brown the second he got the ball.


If you really believe Euroleague is fixed than why watch it?

[Euroleague]

It looks like you don't even know who Law is , it's stupid to discousse about something you don't know about . You are talking about Hines , Law missed a lot easier layup for +5 .

Like I have told you over and over, gabepizza has never once in his entire life seen a Euroleague game.

Grinder has not ever seen one either. There is absolutely no way in hell they have ever seen a single Euroleague game.

I have caught them both in so many hundreds of lies, that no one would ever say if they had actually seen any of these games they comment on.

All they ever do is look at box scores and troll. Which is why this guy still was clinging to his story that Pekovic was not good enough to play in the NBA, and now says it about Bourousis.

Because he's never actually seen a Euroleague game.

[Fiba basketball]

Yes, but what about when Antic fouled Brown BEFORE he was in the act of shooting, and Olympiacos was up by 2 points.

That should have been game over and won right there. But the refs claimed he was shooting and gave him 3 free throws.

The replay showed he shot the ball well after Antic fouled him, and it was not even really a shot, he just wildly threw the ball up in the air.

I can't blame Law for the refs making two huge fixed calls like that and letting the clock stay stuck without blowing the whistle. And you watch Euroleague, so you know that normally when the clock stops, the refs almost immediately blow their whistles, and they do not let the game go on after the clock stops.

Come on now........blaming Law is low, because the game should have actually ended with Antic fouling Brown, back at like the 19 second mark or something like that.
Law missed before Antic fouled Brown , if he hadn't miss Antic wouldn't have had to guard Brown or foul him . I don't know if Brown was fouled before he was in the act of shooting , I first thought he was but after seeing it again maybe he was in the act of shooting but refs called a faul 3 seconds after that so yes refs gave Brown those fts .

[Euroleague]

Cause I'm Greek you retard, I will spell it however I want to...:facepalm

You obviously had nothing to say about the rest of my post and decided to attack me for my spelling. Typical...

Then you got a bad education at whatever American school you attended. Because you should know the K should be changed to C.

[mattvNJ]

brown was in the act of shooting, thus valid free throws. ur crappy team missed the easy shots, they lost regardless of the clock. game over, vspan will not win a mvp

[Euroleague]

If you really believe Euroleague is fixed than why watch it?

If Euroleague allows this, then I won't be watching it anymore.

There have been so many games in recent years that seemed fixed. just last year, the Euroleague semis between CSKA and PAO was straight up ridiculous, with the refs making all kinds of crazy calls at the end of the game to get CSKA back in the game and get them the win.

This is just too far though. Similar thing happened in 1996 in the Euroleague final, when PAO beat Barca. After the fact, Euroleague admitted it was wrong and that Barca whould have won the game. But nothing was done at the time, so it stands still. A lot of people always believed Euroleague let it stand because they wanted to promote Wilkins for marketing, and they could not do so if Barca was given the game fairly.

But because of that, they made a new policy where such games had to be played again. When AEK Athens beat Baskonia in the Euroleague semifinal under a similar circumstance, they made them replay the game under that new rule.

And if I remember right (it's been a while) they punished AEK and made them play the game at Baskonia's home on the road, when the game should have been played in Athens.

But if Euroleague is going to start letting things like this happen at end of games and do nothing about it, then it should not having fans. I'm not interested in supporting an openly fixed league. And it looks like that was the case here.

In other words, there have been a lot of games in Euroleague like Kings Lakers 2002 series, but this is in another level, when the clock and all of that starts happening. And really it's different than the Barca Pao in the final in 96 game because that also involved a goal tending issue.

[Euroleague]

Law missed before Antic fouled Brown , if he hadn't miss Antic wouldn't have had to guard Brown or foul him . I don't know if Brown was fouled before he was in the act of shooting , I first thought he was but after seeing it again maybe he was in the act of shooting but refs called a faul 3 seconds after that so yes refs gave Brown those fts .

I assume you know that Euroleague rules say that you can't be given free throws in the act of shooting for just throwing the ball up when someone touches you? You do know that right? Brown threw the ball wildly in the air when Antic touched him.

The Euroleague rules normally do NOT consider that in the act of shooting.

The point is that Law's shot should not have caused a loss if the refs gave 2 free throws instead of one.

Olympiacos would have got the ball to someone like Sloukas on the next possession and started to ice the game at the foul line.

[Euroleague]

brown was in the act of shooting, thus valid free throws. ur crappy team missed the easy shots, they lost regardless of the clock. game over, vspan will not win a mvp

Brown was NOT in the act of shooting. Throwing the ball wildly up in the air when you get touched does not count as in the act of shooting under Euroleague rules.

[albas89]

Then you got a bad education at whatever American school you attended. Because you should know the K should be changed to C.
So it's Panathinaicos and not Panathinaikos as well, huh?

And I live in Greece, I cannot understand why you find it so difficult to grasp...

[TheCalmInsanity]

That is NOT what I said. I said that the clock stopped and time ran out, as the other team knew the time ran out, Siena scored after time ran out.

The refs are supposed to take a count with their watches of the game, separate from the game clock. So they just stood there and allowed a basket that happened 3 seconds after the time expired, according to TV instant replay.

What a fruit basket. You said it again.

You said 3 seconds after the time expired, which is moronic because there was no shot taken after the buzzer went off, and if you think the players are going to have buzzers inside them that go off when the "ref's clock" goes off, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.

[Fiba basketball]

I assume you know that Euroleague rules say that you can't be given free throws in the act of shooting for just throwing the ball up when someone touches you? You do know that right? Brown threw the ball wildly in the air when Antic touched him.

The Euroleague rules normally do NOT consider that ion the act of shooting.

I know about the sequence. The point is that Law's shot should not have caused a loss if the refs gave 2 free throws instead of one.

Olympiacos would have got the ball to someone like Sloukas on the next possession and started to ice the game at the foul line.
That is why I didn't thought it was a foul at first but I think Antic might had hold Brown while Brown was jumping , thats why I m not sure what to think about that foul .

[maybeshewill13]

LMFAO just watched the end. All legit, Euroleague just a mad nerd as usual :sleeping Spanoulis couldn't stop Bobby Brown! :roll:

[LikeABosh]

That dude Bobby Brown looking like Westbrook blowing by the EuroGOAT top 5 in the world basketball player.:bowdown:

[Euroleague]

Olympiacos filed an official protest with Euroleague. The game tape review showed the clock stopped at exactly 10 seconds and stayed off for 3.6 seconds time.

It then came on again, right when Siena got the ball. This is what they are protesting, since the clock should have not come back on right as Siena got the ball, if the clock was malfunctioning.

[Euroleague]

Did I ONCE say its acceptable you piece of garbage? Did you get shat out of your mother's ass? Because no normal human that was normally born would lack this much common sense.

The only thing in this thread I'm rebutting is the fact that you said they made a shot AFTER THE GAME WAS OVER. Which WAS NOT THE CASE HERE. Just another one of your troll attention creating thread titles.

It was the case. Because the clock stopped for 3.6 seconds.

[Nash]

lol @ people still buying that horseshit that Euroleague is from Arkansas. He's just a racist Greek who's using a proxy to make it look like he's from Arkansas.

[TheMarkMadsen]

ISH asks Jeff "why is euroleague not banned?"

Jeff " well you guys love interacting with him"

Yeah man, I'm sure people love being accused of being gypsies, racist, having personal threats/attacks/insults thrown at them and many other derogatory comments.

This thread is a perfect example of why euroleague needs to be banned and why the admin needs to grow a sack and step in on this situation.

At least make him tone it down, he creates threads not for basketball discussion but instead to troll and attack people

[USABall]

Due to the video quality, I can't see Spanoulis' eyes/head movements well enough to judge if he looked up at the clock or not. Regardless, he would have looked at it when the ball was inbound, and like any professional basketball player, would know how much time was left and judge based on that.

obviously the clock stopped, and it looked longer than 3 seconds.. they should have negated everything that happened after.. not sure on Euroleague rules but that is a travesty..

[Euroleague]

Due to the video quality, I can't see Spanoulis' eyes/head movements well enough to judge if he looked up at the clock or not. Regardless, he would have looked at it when the ball was inbound, and like any professional basketball player, would know how much time was left and judge based on that.

obviously the clock stopped, and it looked longer than 3 seconds.. they should have negated everything that happened after.. not sure on Euroleague rules but that is a travesty..

Bartzokas, the Olympiacos coach, told the media that he told the refs there was a problem with the clock and that they needed to do something about it (like replay from the 10 second mark).

He is claiming that the refs told him they never looked at the clock and didn't pay any attention to the clock during the game, but that after the game was over, they would look at it.

Then they are saying the refs after the game ended did not look at the replay and left the floor and refused to answer any questions, and refused to talk to the media.

Under Euroleague rules, when the clock stops, the refs are supposed to blow the whistle and reset the clock back, and go to an out of bounds and begin play over. They are supposed to go to the score keeper and watch the replay to reset the clock to the right time.

The refs told Olympiacos' coach that they were not even watching the clock or even paying attention to it during the game, and would not look at anything until the game ended. Then just apparently walked off the court.

[Euroleague]

This is better quality. At the end it shows it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZI9e0W5f93I

Spanoulis got double teamed, so he could not see the clock. He looked up at the clock, before it stopped, a little over 10 seconds, gets ready to run the play, the double team comes, he passes it......

the defenders were blocking his view, then he sees Law pass it to Hines, what Law is thinking in his mind, is it should be a shot at the end of the game, or an offensive rebound, with Olympiacos getting the ball back, or at the worst, Siena has to go 90 feet in about 2 seconds to score................

All of a sudden Brown is running down the other end of the court and scores. Spanoulis and Law definitely both thought that time was expiring. That's why Law and Spanoulis ran the play when they did, and that's why Spanoulis did not foul Brown and just let him go uncontested. Because he thought the clock was going out, thinking it would be impossible for him to go 90 feet in that time.

[HAzE024]

This is better quality. At the end it shows it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZI9e0W5f93I

Spanoulis got double teamed, so he could not see the clock. He looked up at the clock, before it stopped, a little over 10 seconds, gets ready to run the play, the double team comes, he passes it......

the defenders were blocking his view, then he sees Law pass it to Hines


So why in this whole interval did Nameless Bobby Brown Team choose not to foul Nameless Red Team if what you said below is true?

http://i49.tinypic.com/2wp6mmd.png

[jamal99]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFptOlN-UI
I guess this is the game and there was 1.7 seconds left and no-one stopped playing. The **** ya smoking?
:roll:
Clock really stopped for a few moments when there was 10 seconds left in the game lol

[gabepizza]

This is better quality. At the end it shows it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZI9e0W5f93I

Spanoulis got double teamed, so he could not see the clock. He looked up at the clock, before it stopped, a little over 10 seconds, gets ready to run the play, the double team comes, he passes it......

the defenders were blocking his view, then he sees Law pass it to Hines, what Law is thinking in his mind, is it should be a shot at the end of the game, or an offensive rebound, with Olympiacos getting the ball back, or at the worst, Siena has to go 90 feet in about 2 seconds to score................

All of a sudden Brown is running down the other end of the court and scores. Spanoulis and Law definitely both thought that time was expiring. That's why Law and Spanoulis ran the play when they did, and that's why Spanoulis did not foul Brown and just let him go uncontested. Because he thought the clock was going out, thinking it would be impossible for him to go 90 feet in that time.

But tell me how it's a fix. Olympiacos got hosed because of it but it is not a fix. The clock started and stopped when Olympiacos had the ball, it didn't start again when Siena had the ball. How did the fixers know Olympiacos was going to miss the last shot? And you are suggesting the Bobby Brown was in on the fix? The mafia told Bobby Brown "the game is going to be tied with 20 minutes to play. Olympiacos is going to bring the ball up court and we are going to bribe the time keeper to stop the clock for 4 seconds with 10 seconds left, then when Olympiacos misses the last shot you get the rebound and run up court for a lay-up. No one will pay defense or get fouled because they will think the game is over". Do you know how absurd that sounds?

[zac]

If anything, the clock stopping helped the red team out and gave them more time to run a final play. It's not like it stopped once the ball changed possessions. You're just pissed Acie Law is a starter on your team.

[gabepizza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFptOlN-UI

:47 seconds. Look how empty the arena is for a top 16 game. No wonder bush league stuff like the clock stopping happens.

[KG215]

I get called worse than anything here 100 times more than I say to anyone.
Out of all the lies you've told before, this may be the biggest. I've never seen anyone call you something like racist, liar, retard, etc. unless it was just an attempt to mock you for calling them the same thing.

[B-hoop]

:wtf:

If anything the clock stopping helped Olympiacos and not the other way around, the clock stopped when Spanoulis was double teamed and started again when he passed the ball.

[ZenMaster]

:wtf:

If anything the clock stopping helped Olympiacos and not the other way around, the clock stopped when Spanoulis was double teamed and started again when he passed the ball.

Not scoring and overtime is better than not scoring and losing the game.

[B-hoop]

Not scoring and overtime is better than not scoring and losing the game.

Thats because they were stupid and shot the ball too early/missed the easy layup.

[Euroleague]

If anything, the clock stopping helped the red team out and gave them more time to run a final play. It's not like it stopped once the ball changed possessions. You're just pissed Acie Law is a starter on your team.

1. Olympiacos is NOT my team.

2. Acie Law is NOT a starter on Olympiacos.

[Euroleague]

Not scoring and overtime is better than not scoring and losing the game.

Not according to some of these ISH basketball gurus. According to them, the clock stopping and allowing a basket by Siena 3 seconds after time expired, actually helped Olympiacos and was in their favor.

[maybeshewill13]

Not according to some of these ISH basketball gurus. According to them, the clock stopping and allowing a basket by Siena 3 seconds after time expired, actually helped Olympiacos and was in their favor.

You're still fuming about this shit that happened days ago? :roll:

[coin24]

U just mad shitnoulis cant play D...:lol
Or shoot a game winner without getting blocked by a Nigerian scrub:roll:

[gabepizza]

Not according to some of these ISH basketball gurus. According to them, the clock stopping and allowing a basket by Siena 3 seconds after time expired, actually helped Olympiacos and was in their favor.

Yes it was in their favor. It gave Olympiacos more time to take their last shot or more time for a second chance shot if they got an offensive rebound. If the time keeper purposely stopped the clock to help Siena how would they know the Olympiacos would miss the shot and not get the offensive rebound? You could claim that the Olympiacos players wouldn't have known that they ha extra time and would rush the shot anyway but then you claim that Bobby Brown knew, so he was somehow involved on this elaborate fix?

It was just a clock error. I'm not sure how it works in Euroleague but in the NBA the home team controls the clock, so if there was any funny business it was probably to help Olympiacos, the coach of Siena basically said the same thing.

So it was a mechanical error with the clock that ended up advantaging Siena. To say it was fixed is just absurd. Siena was called for 5 more fouls, 19-14, so it's the same absurd things as the Greek-Nigerian game, to imply that the game was fixed with the refs being so omnipotent that they can disguise the fix so well and call more fouls against the team they are suppose to help win is just delusional.

And about Spanoulis stopping playing defense too is just absurd. The difference was 3 seconds. Take a stop watch or a timer and see how long three seconds take. To think that Spanoulis has a game clock in his head and would stop playing, like a robot, the exact millisecond the game ends, instead of trying for 3 more seconds until he hears the buzzer, is absurd as well.

[Euroleague]

Here is indisputable video PROOF that Bobby Brown's basket occurred 2.1 seconds AFTER time had expired.

Brown was BEHIND THE THREE POINT LINE WHEN TIME EXPIRED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiLWZanMt8

[Heavincent]

Sorry, but I don't think anyone cares about the Euroleague. It's about as relevant as the d-league.

[SpecialQue]

And why is this in the NBA forum?

[Borat]

Here is indisputable video PROOF that Bobby Brown's basket occurred 3.8 seconds AFTER time had expired.

Brown was BEHIND THE THREE POINT LINE WHEN TIME EXPIRED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiLWZanMt8

The 3 pointer was definitely in the act of shooting, it was a terrible foul.
Clock thing is suspect.

[LikeABosh]

http://www.wrestleenigma.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/z8gWA.png
Every EuroLeague post

[gabepizza]

Here is indisputable video PROOF that Bobby Brown's basket occurred 3.8 seconds AFTER time had expired.

Brown was BEHIND THE THREE POINT LINE WHEN TIME EXPIRED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiLWZanMt8


First off the basket occurred 2.1 seconds after the clock expired. There was 3.8 seconds left on the game clock when the official time was 0:00 but there was still 1.7 seconds left after the basket which means that his basket occurred only 2.1 seconds after the game should have ended.

But anyway what happened was a mechanical error that ended up benefiting Siena. Two extra seconds does not make an excuse to stop playing defense. Players should play until they hear the buzzer.

The game is not going to be replayed so you have to accept the result or, if you really think it is a fix then I don't see how you can continue to be a fan of Euroleague because if this game is fixed than any game can be fixed.

I also don't see how you can fix a game and give the team you are fixing to lose more free throws, if Olympiacos hit that shot at the end or a couple more shots they would have won the game.

[Euroleague]

First off the basket occurred 2.1 seconds after the clock expired. There was 3.8 seconds left on the game clock when the official time was 0:00 but there was still 1.7 seconds left after the basket which means that his basket occurred only 2.1 seconds after the game should have ended.

But anyway what happened was a mechanical error that ended up benefiting Siena. Two extra seconds does not make an excuse to stop playing defense. Players should play until they hear the buzzer.

The game is not going to be replayed so you have to accept the result or, if you really think it is a fix then I don't see how you can continue to be a fan of Euroleague because if this game is fixed than any game can be fixed.

I also don't see how you can fix a game and give the team you are fixing to lose more free throws, if Olympiacos hit that shot at the end or a couple more shots they would have won the game.

Do you work for Euroleague? How do you know? They have NOT even decided yet. The judge hasn't even ruled on it yet.

[Nick Young]

hahahaha

And who does Bobby Brown blow past to win the game? Spanoulis! That is why he could not make it in the NBA. If he can't stop Bobby Brown what chance would he have against Wade, CP3, Westbrook, etc...?
NBA reject Euroleague MVP candidate Bobby Brown schooling Spanoulis for the game winning basket, life doesnt get better:banana:

[Kiddlovesnets]

lol Euroleague really sucks, a Div II college basketball team can blow out most Euroleague teams easily.