Durant and Lebron FT attempts

[Hoopz2332]

How does someone like Lebron who lives around the rim get less FT attempts than someone is mainly a jump shooter? I've come to the conclusion that lebron strength and body type is working against him while Durants is working in favor of him. When Durant gets the slightest touch it looks like he's hacked because he's so skinny whereas lebron appears to muscle through any contact. Ref have been robbing lebron this year on his FT attempts:facepalm. It's the same thing I used to notice with Iverson and Marbury.

[ganja0710]

Perks of being a skinny superstar, i guess...?

[LikeABosh]

Perks of being a skinny superstar, i guess...?
This. Not Durants fault. He's not flopping. He's truly just pretty weak. Being so tall and skinny, when he gets hit his body is affected. Defenders just bounce off Lebron

[lebeast666]

Lebron dont get called for nothing unless its an obvious flagrant. Its pretty ridiculous tbh. Seeing the way Durant gets to the line is just :wtf:

[livinglegend]

Kobe gets 2 more FTA per game than Lebron. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Graviton]

Refs take Westbrook's uncalled fouls and give those FTs to Durant.

Lebron/Westbrook get no respect in the paint because they are too big or fast for the contact to be noticed or felt. Officials expect them to finish through it.

[tmacattack33]

I don't know about Durant, but i have seen Lebron get hit this year on drives with not as many calls getting made as usual for a super-star. There were even a few last night on drives against Gasol and Howard.

[TylerOO]

When LeBron gets hit, it barely affects him. When someone pokes Durant with their pinky it throws him off because he is so skinny. Which is why he goes to the line more. BS. LeBron probably gets hit more than him but it barely affects him so they don't call it.

Posted this in another thread. Nothing against Durant, it is what it is

[LikeABosh]

Lebron dont get called for nothing unless its an obvious flagrant. Its pretty ridiculous tbh. Seeing the way Durant gets to the line is just :wtf:
If Durant got fouled like Lebron does there would be 5 flagrants a game

[BrickingStar]

Refs take Westbrook's uncalled fouls and give those FTs to Durant.

Lebron/Westbrook get no respect in the paint because they are too big or fast for the contact to be noticed or felt. Officials expect them to finish through it.
I think the Ninja Turtle council will not take that the right way if not most likely claim racism

[Indian guy]

The lack of "respect" for LeBron only became an issue this season. He just doesn't get the calls anymore, for whatever reason.

[Hoopz2332]

Kobe gets 2 more FTA per game than Lebron. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


exactly man:biggums: :coleman:

[imnew09]

Durant swings his stupid hand around...

[All Net]

Lebron's strength seems to work against him these days.

[BrickingStar]

They are aware of the elephant in the room

http://i.minus.com/iyyfAqqi39w9e.gif

[BuffaloBill]

The lack of "respect" for LeBron only became an issue this season. He just doesn't get the calls anymore, for whatever reason.


Yeah Lebron used to average 10 FT attempts a game every season. I guess they figured he was abusing it because of the all of the And ones he gets because little fouls don't really affect him that much.

[BrickingStar]

Yeah Lebron used to average 10 FT attempts a game every season. I guess they figured he was abusing it because of the all of the And ones he gets because little fouls don't really affect him that much.
STAHP he's only had 3, never consecutively and not 1 with the heat. At least he's a driver too.

[KOBE143]

LeBron flops all the time

Refs already knew his style.. They're not going to let him fooled them anymore..

[LikeABosh]

LeBron flops all the time

Refs already knew his style.. They're not going to let him fooled them anymore..
Lebron has flopped maybe 5 times in his career

[ClutchOver9000]

Wish the refs would treat Melo the way they treat Durant...

[tazb]

Well said.:applause:

[tpols]

Lebron has flopped maybe 5 times in his career
What?? :roll: That niggga flopped five times in the 2011 finals alone.

[Hoopz2332]

Yeah Lebron used to average 10 FT attempts a game every season.


No he didn't.

[BigTicket]

No he didn't.

Actually, he sorta did.

Lebron averaged over 10 FTA per game in 3 different seasons.

This season though, it seems as if there has been some sort of agreement among the refs to call fewer fouls against him.

[Magic bird]

Lebron has flopped maybe 5 times in his career
:biggums: Will find gifs.

[coin24]

Lebron flopped more than 5 times in last years Knicks series alone:lol

But, I agree, he's not getting fouls called anymore. KD on the other hand, disgusting:mad:

[Magic bird]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif


http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BronFlop.gif


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1115960/lebronflop2.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836554/jamesflop_medium.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1125565/flop.gif



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

What were you saying?

[shallehalle]

when they don't call fouls on you, of course it would be a smart move to take advantage and flop or show the foul here and there

[Magic bird]

when they don't call fouls on you, of course it would be a smart move to take advantage and flop or show the foul here and there

Flopping is an exaggeration of small - medium contact, not enough so a foul will be called. Taking advantage and flopping will get you fined.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's pretty ridiculous this year how little calls he gets and he's still shooting 55%

[arifgokcen]

Yeah he just doesnt get the calls.

Its amazing that most fans complains how much he is protected by the league and those are the same fans who says he doesnt have a jumper or post game he lives only in paint yet he is taking less freethrows than any superstar in the league.Even less than jumpshooters.

Last night i saw at least 4-5 fouls that just went unnoticed.But most of the time defenders just bounce off of him.

I laughed when artest tried to stop him and lebron just run him over.Reggie miller was talking about how strong he is

[arifgokcen]

BTW lebron is averaging only 4.8fta per game for the last 7 games.Yes only 4.8.

In that time span he had more points in the paint than anyone else.

Something wrong with that

[AussieG]

Durant is a master at getting calls. I don't know how.

I've seen him get calls even when no one touches him. Literally.. when there is 30cm of space between his elbow and the defenders arm and the whistle blows.

[poweredbyoats]

This is why I can't like Durant. It just seems like the NBA is trying to manufacture a superstar.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron does not throw himself into a crowd of defenders for tough shots, he passes to teammates whenever he sees a chance.

[mjokc]

This is why I can't like Durant. It just seems like the NBA is trying to manufacture a superstar.

I'm sure KD will be able to live on knowing that some random kid on the internet "can't" like him. :lol

[ganja0710]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif


http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BronFlop.gif


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1115960/lebronflop2.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836554/jamesflop_medium.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1125565/flop.gif



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

What were you saying?
LMFAO, the refs gon learn someday, and they have.

[DMV2]

It's a lot easier to make calls on fouls on iso's and perimeter pumps and jumpers.

That's how Harden gets to the line a lot. Durant and Deron Williams are great at this. Kevin Martin was pretty good at it too when he was in Houston and Sac-town.

I think people still assume "low-post offense = more FT calls," but that's not the case anymore. It hasn't been since the early 2000's.

I think it's a combination of poor offensive-minded big's, how the league caters to perimeter players and the poor officiating is the reason why low-post offense doesn't get you FT calls as much as iso's and perimeter plays.

At least, it's consistent even with superstar players. LeBron's 2012 and this season FT attempts are the lowest since his rookie and sophomore seasons.

[livinglegend]

FTA/gm

Harden 9.8
Durant 9.1
Kobe 8.0
Love 7.9
Anthony 7.9
Westbrook 6.8
Lebron 6.3 :biggums:

[Bigsmoke]

:rolleyes:

[Velocirap31]

Lebron gets hacked almost every time he drives and scores. I agree with what most people here have said, the contact doesn't effect him enough to be noticeable by the officials, that and they seem to have something against him this year. Westbrook and Lebron should get to the line more per game than any other players in the league. Harden is probably getting preferential treatment, but he does drive a lot and is very crafty at drawing contact.

[AirFederer]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif


http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BronFlop.gif


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1115960/lebronflop2.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836554/jamesflop_medium.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1125565/flop.gif



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

What were you saying?

Disgusting.

Real men doesn`t flop.

Charles Oakley, Bird, MJ, Ewing... :applause:

[Hoopz2332]

FTA/gm

Harden 9.8
Durant 9.1
Kobe 8.0
Love 7.9
Anthony 7.9
Westbrook 6.8
Lebron 6.3 :biggums:


:wtf: :biggums: :coleman:

[ILLsmak]

How does someone like Lebron who lives around the rim get less FT attempts than someone is mainly a jump shooter? I've come to the conclusion that lebron strength and body type is working against him while Durants is working in favor of him. When Durant gets the slightest touch it looks like he's hacked because he's so skinny whereas lebron appears to muscle through any contact. Ref have been robbing lebron this year on his FT attempts:facepalm. It's the same thing I used to notice with Iverson and Marbury.

Bron gets plenty of calls. A lot of his at the rim shots are on breaks.

-Smak

[inclinerator]

Disgusting.

Real men doesn`t flop.

Charles Oakley, Bird, MJ, Ewing... :applause:
except they have flopped before

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Might not get as many calls, but Lebron gets away w/ tons of shit.

...traveling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l-Q6-8KZKQ) for instance

[BuffaloBill]

FTA/gm

Harden 9.8
Durant 9.1
Kobe 8.0
Love 7.9
Anthony 7.9
Westbrook 6.8
Lebron 6.3 :biggums:


This can't be right. Dwight has to get fouled more than all the guys combined :oldlol:

[DMV2]

This can't be right. Dwight has to get fouled more than all the guys combined :oldlol:
He's at the top at 9.9.....but he's only hitting about 5 FGM.

[livinglegend]

This can't be right. Dwight has to get fouled more than all the guys combined :oldlol:

Dwight is leading with 9.9, but I didnt put him because of that Hack a Dwight thing.

[Nash]

FTA/gm

Harden 9.8
Durant 9.1
Kobe 8.0
Love 7.9
Anthony 7.9
Westbrook 6.8
Lebron 6.3 :biggums:
Just tells you at what an amazing level Bron is playing at.

[tazb]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif


http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BronFlop.gif


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1115960/lebronflop2.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836554/jamesflop_medium.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1125565/flop.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

What were you saying?


Second and third gifs weren't flops retard

[Magic bird]

Second and third gifs weren't flops retard
Flops are an exaggeration of contact often accompanied by raising hands above the head to catch the refs attention. thats exactly what the 2nd and 3rd are.

[che guevara]

The lack of "respect" for LeBron only became an issue this season. He just doesn't get the calls anymore, for whatever reason.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what's going on, but it's clear that he's not getting the same kinds of calls that other stars are getting. The difference between Bron and other stars like Durant is visible just watching the game, refs are just so much more willing to blow the whistle for those guys.

[Hoopz2332]

consecutive games of 20+ FT's attempted?:rolleyes: :biggums: :coleman:

[LikeABosh]

Refs are just so willing to blow the whistle for Durant. He does this move where he throws both of his arms into the air when he feels any contact while driving in and just throws the ball. Hardly even looks like a shot attempt. Meanwhile Lebron is abusing the paint at will, getting hammered by the bigs and getting 6 fts att. per game :facepalm

[tazb]

Flops are an exaggeration of contact often accompanied by raising hands above the head to catch the refs attention. thats exactly what the 2nd and 3rd are.

We making up our own definitions now? :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZhDmm8q1YM

is that a flop? :confusedshrug:

[livinglegend]

Jump shooter like Durant and Kobe getting 2 or 3 more FTA/gm than Lebron:facepalm

Durant averaging 21 fta/gm last 2 gms. :biggums:

[hitmanyr2k]

I think people still assume "low-post offense = more FT calls," but that's not the case anymore. It hasn't been since the early 2000's.

I think it's a combination of poor offensive-minded big's, how the league caters to perimeter players and the poor officiating is the reason why low-post offense doesn't get you FT calls as much as iso's and perimeter plays.

At least, it's consistent even with superstar players. LeBron's 2012 and this season FT attempts are the lowest since his rookie and sophomore seasons.

Lebron's type of low post game (or lack thereof) doesn't lead to many fouls anyway. When he does post up he's waiting for the double and looking to pass 80% of the time. If he's not passing he's doing a fadeaway jumper where he's leaping 5 foot from the defender. He barely has any moves on the low block that would lead to getting a defender off balance and result in a foul call.

[Hoopz2332]

Toninights Thunder/Heat game was a good example of the high volume of FT's Durant is gifted with. Dude was on lockdown until he stated getting a FT like everytime he touched the ball:coleman:

[Cangri]

Toninights Thunder/Heat game was a good example of the high volume of FT's Durant is gifted with. Dude was on lockdown until he stated getting a FT like everytime he touched the ball:coleman:
Oh man this, it's crazy how many FTs Durant get's that are complete bullsht.

[andremiller07]

Oh man this, it's crazy how many FTs Durant get's that are complete bullsht.

Yeah theres actually been quiet a few games now that I have watched, where he goes in and gets calls that are clearly not fouls on a regular basis. The NBA in a perfect world would give every player in the L the same calls/non calls but its just not the case.

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron hacked and no call and his expression towards the ref says it all:oldlol:


http://i.minus.com/ivoI2zkjHaPBS.gif

[NumberSix]

Anyone have the gif where Mario Chalmers scoring on a tip in is ruled no basket and 2 FTs for Durant?

[Jax]

Lebron dont get called for nothing unless its an obvious flagrant. Its pretty ridiculous tbh. Seeing the way Durant gets to the line is just :wtf:
This.

[NumberSix]

I think we need to face reality. KD is obviously paying/blackmailing/threatening refs for FT's

[2swift4u]

In the game against Miami it was really annoying. No one was even allowed to get close to Durant without being called for a foul! Some of the worst calls I've seen in a long time :facepalm

[LBJ 23]

Toninights Thunder/Heat game was a good example of the high volume of FT's Durant is gifted with. Dude was on lockdown until he stated getting a FT like everytime he touched the ball:coleman:


This.

And he was like 0-6 I think until Lebron was called for his third foul and really started to play passive defense against Durant cuz of the foul trouble. That's when Durant started making shots.

[Hoopz2332]

just saw this on another board:eek:


Durant: 1390 FGA (325 3PA), 730 FTA, 513 fouls drawn,
LeBron: 1332 FGA (253 3PA), 519 FTA, 428 fouls drawn,

FGA 5 feet or less:
LeBron: 563 FGA
Durant: 365 FGA



Here's what's crazier. Compare Lebron to himself

FGA 5 feet or less:

2004: 558
2005: 586
2006: 707
2007: 592
2008: 652
2009: 569
2010: 546
2011: 533
2012: 437
2013: 563

FTA:

2004: 460
2005: 636
2006: 814
2007: 701
2008: 771
2009: 762
2010: 773
2011: 663
2012: 502
2012: 519

FTA/FGA Ratio


2004: 0.82
2005: 1.09
2006: 1.15
2007: 1.18
2008: 1.18
2009: 1.34
2010: 1.42
2011: 1.24
2012: 1.15
2013: 0.92

He's driving more frequently this season than he has since 2010. It's not even a debate, the drive was not even a facet of his game in 2011, and last year it was common against awful defenses that frequently left a gaping hole open in the lane but that's about it. This season is easily the best he's looked physically since coming to Miami, and yet, for the only time since his rookie season, that ratio has fallen under 1.0.

[dunksby]

Cry a little bit more, I love watching stans cry :lol

[BlazerRed]

Cry a little bit more, I love watching stans cry :lol
Durant is a beast.

[Just2McFly]

Cry a little bit more, I love watching stans cry :lol
you look so pitiful when you wont admit it and move on

[dunksby]

:cry:
:applause:

[dh144498]

love seeing the lebron stans cry.

Lebron drives to the rim more, but since most people can't stop him anyway, they just wont bother to defend him when he drives. It's either: hard foul him, defend him and fouls him and he still gets it in, or let him score.

[Dresta]

love seeing the lebron stans cry.

Lebron drives to the rim more, but since most people can't stop him anyway, they just wont bother to defend him when he drives. It's either: hard foul him, defend him and fouls him and he still gets it in, or let him score.
You'll just grab hold of anything won't you? No matter how illogical?

:banghead:

[dh144498]

You'll just grab hold of anything won't you? No matter how illogical?

:banghead:

:wtf:

how was that illogical?

the only way to stop Lebron when he drives to the basket is if you flagrant 2 him. So once it's clear that he will finish at the rim anyway, most of the time the defense just doesn't bother with defending him because it'll be useless.

[Phenith]

Dunno why they are crying, he's still gonna be MVP again and their team is on the fast track to another chip.

[Hoopz2332]

Cry a little bit more, I love watching stans cry :lol


Just more proof that lebron is the most eff scorer in the league when it comes actually putting the ball in the hoop:bowdown:

[Mr. Incredible]

Just further proves how much better LeBron really is than Durant IMO.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

From another site:

FG/g Inside of 10 Feet, Draw Rate (2012-2013)

Melo: 7.33, .347
Lebron: 9.05, .390
Wade: 9.14, .377
Durant: 6.91, .525

[Hoopz2332]

For more context:coleman:



Carmelo:
http://oi46.tinypic.com/313rx46.jpg

Durant:
http://i46.tinypic.com/4tvd4j.png

Harden:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2zr3no4.png

Lebron:
http://i46.tinypic.com/qp18jm.png

These explain a lot of the disparity between Melo and Harden/Durant. As far as Lebron goes- :dontknow:

[Hoopz2332]

It's happening again this season I see too:biggums:

Durant attempts 13.7 FT a game

http://i.imgur.com/gZeZShh.png


Lebron 6.9 FT's

http://i.imgur.com/4qkqXJR.png

:wtf: :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Now that i think about it more, some reasons could be:

1) Durant is weaker therefore gets moved easier.

2) Durant shoots his teams Techs and closes the game from the FT line as well.

3) He has a good rip through move.

I don't think it's an NBA conspiracy.

[chazzy]

Reggie Miller had a higher free throw rate than Jordan

[Hoopz2332]

Now that i think about it more, some reasons could be:

1) Durant is weaker therefore gets moved easier.




biggest reason for sure

[HomieWeMajor]

Don't hate the player hate the game.

[PickernRoller]

Lebron dont get called for nothing unless its an obvious flagrant. Its pretty ridiculous tbh. Seeing the way Durant gets to the line is just :wtf:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :coleman: :biggums: :facepalm :no:

Lebron stans always bringing a smile to my face. Jokers I tell ya...

It's just the standard has changed. Back in the day we would complain about how much of a manufactured star Lebron was. He was getting touch calls and phantom calls left and right. Then came Durant and it was obvious Stern had to manufacture a Lebron nemesis for the future with Kobe going out....sh1t just got out of hand with him - worse than it has ever been. Both are frauds I agree.

[TheReal Kendall]

When OKC and the Heat meet in the Finals again then we really gonna see who gets the most calls

[russwest0]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :coleman: :biggums: :facepalm :no:

Lebron stans always bringing a smile to my face. Jokers I tell ya...

Agreed, wheres MarkMadsen at, niqqa killed these lebron stans last thread they pulled this shit :lol

[russwest0]

When OKC and the Heat meet in the Finals again then we really gonna see who gets the most calls

This x10000, rewatch the 2012 Finals if you think KD gets more calls than LeBron

[Trollsmasher]

This x10000, rewatch the 2012 Finals if you think KD gets more calls than LeBron
Do you remember how refs forgot to call 6th, 7th and 8th foul on Durant in G2? Egregious, wasn't it?

[dannywpt]

Uhm, isn't it just the fact that Durant is so deadly shooting the ball? With Bron, defenders are always sagging off a bit to be able to somewhat affect his drive or they just dare him to shoot. With Durant, defenders are all over all him of the time.

This, along with the fact that Durant most of the time is deliberately trying to get to the line just as much as he tries to score


AND

that he has FREAKISHLY long arms attatched to that skinny, skinny frame that the defenders are draped all over makes it incredibly hard to defend/contest well without fouling when Durant does something unexpected. LeBron is more of a bulldozer who protects the ball simply by being a huge body coming at you - you know you are fouling him. Players get so tempted to slap at the ball when Durant drives, people just get out the way when Bron does